What are Renegade Daleks?

[@Мясникхохолов]

Renegade Daleks are without a doubt my favourite Daleks, great video too!

[@n1hellstormer]

Me too

[@JamieMabon-c7x]

I Love The 2023 Renegade Dalek Figures & They Finally Got The Silver Iris At Last But No Grey Band On The Mid Section & No Grey Ball Joints Cause Renegade Dalek Props Had Some Differences

[@sword4005]

I said it before but my head canon is that the survivors of both faction put aside there hated of each other and joined together etc with the eventual goal of war with the time lords, meaning the doctors plan ultimately backfired on him and the time lords, time will tell it always does

[@chrishalliday8371]

Hard to imagine Daleks of any stripe putting aside their hatred. Not saying it’s impossible, but they’re so fixated on hating anything unlike them that it seems highly unlikely they’d accept the differences in each other.

[@sword4005]

@@chrishalliday8371 their hate of the time lords, exceeds their hate for each other, think of it like s evil version of us on earth putting our differences aside to fight alien trying to wipe us out, this was not just a invasion plan or a plot of the daleks being foiled, this was a active attempt of genocide by the time lords, they lost their homeworld, the majority of their race, their hatred is now super focused on one enemy

[@hedgehog3180]

@@chrishalliday8371 I think something would have to happen that made them similar again. Maybe when Davros disappeared some sort of genetic switch flipped in the Imperial Daleks that transformed them into regular Daleks.

[@alexander9703]

Na, no way. The modern Daleks desend from the original pure Daleks, which means the Renegades "won". No way are they compromising with the Imperials.

[@sword4005]

@@alexander9703 and yet in victory of the daleks they get exterminated for being unclean

[@Master_Of_Machines]

I both love and hate how after so long and with so much material we still have to say “some time during” or “probably after” when talking about the timeline of the Daleks lol

[@IShatTheBed]

Something I always liked about the renegade Dalek design was the matted grey design which made them look like they were actually made of a strong material because the glossy effect on previous designs occasionally made them look a bit flimsy and not very strong

[@kattybratt1353]

at 3:07 i have a theory that the renegades wouldve thrown away the special weapons dalek due to it being impure after being doused with incredible doses of radiation every time it would shoot. their thing is purity, after all

[@grahamturner1290]

WE ARE PURE IN OUR BLOBBINESS!!! 🐙

[@slateoffate9812]

I've been working on my own interpretation of the Dalek Timeline and Design Chronology. For starters, I've decided that in my AU, We Are the Daleks and Patient Zero happened during the Paradigm. Anyway, the surface of Skaro was burnt to a crisp, completely levelled by the Hand of Omega. In the Pre-Dark Eyes Timeline, Davros was the supposed only survivor of the Shoreditch Incident. He conquered the Earth and established the New Skaro Empire, with new Dalek casings, resembling the Imperial design but with blue instead of gold. This faction would return to Skaro and rebuild. In a new timeline caused by the death of Straxus, where Davros still had fled, the remaining Daleks of both Factions were forced by their dwindling numbers to reunify. The Reunified Empire merged the two designs together, creating Imperial Dalek Casings with Renegade Colors. Abandoned by Emperor Davros, they also pressed the Imperial Hexagon inward instead of outward, no longer recognizing Davros and by extension, his hexagon eyed casing, as their leader for his desertion. This became the Early Restoration Empire. They returned to Skaro to rebuild, while one sector joined forces with the clone Falkus to retrieve Davros, ultimately delayed, though not stopped, by the Seventh Doctor. In the Mid-Restoration Era, Dalek Casings evolved further. Distancing themselves from Davros further, the Empire overhaul their color coded hierarchy, taking inspiration from the Silver/Blue colors of the First Empire. It was during this time that the Daleks began to scheme again against the Time Lords, prompting the Genocide Machine and Etra Prime incidents. In the Mid-Late Restoration, the Daleks added protective measures to their eyestalks, including new ident tags and change the hexagon to a simple rectangle. In their plans against the Time Lords they rescued the Time Controller. Not entirely trusting the TC, however, they put him in charge of the Nixyce VII Occupation as a trial period. Ultimately, the Time Controller was exiled from the Empire, and a pair of Gold Supreme and Silver Commander oversaw his destruction. Behind the Emperor's back, the Gold Supreme began plans to create a loyal Time Strategist. Only then did DALEKS! and Time Lord Victorious happen. Returning to the Late Restoration, Dalek Prime attempted to overthrow the Restoration Emperor, but both were usurped by the Supreme Dalek and Time Strategist, who went on to found the God Empire and began the Time War. The Master was tried on Skaro during the Early Restoration.

[@duncankilburn7612]

The Grey & Black Daleks will always be my favourite

[@crimsong8068]

Ignoring the EU, I feel like "Remembrance" should have gone into greater detail of how Davros retook control of the Dalek Empire after being taken for trial. It feels like a giant missing piece of the puzzle that could have been solved with a few dramatic "This is how I took my true place as Emperor, Doctor!" lines. I've always found it humorous how the base props for the renegades started as the Necros Daleks while the imperials were the new constructions.

[@swiftbird4846]

Brilliant analysis. Remembrance of the Daleks is my favourite Doctor Who episode of all time and this summarises its importance in time and space perfectly.

[@dark_ops1651]

Dalek Caan must be manipulating the timelines because you just dropped another video right while I started eating dinner 😮‍💨

[@FactionParadox2090]

I don't believe there was a "winner" in the Imperial-Renegade Dalek Civil War. Like most civil wars, the fighting was so destructive, it caused the collapse of the Empire it spawned in. For a period of several centuries, the Daleks ceased being the major threat to the universe that they once had been, being even more threatened than they were during the Movellan Virus Incident. I also think it lead to things like those Death Squad Daleks, who exist to make sure rival factions can't pop up and to ensure the purity of the Dalek Race, lest another Dalek Civil War occur and collapse that Empire.

[@DalekJr625]

Thank you so much for this. Now to tell my group that Renegades are the GOAT

[@JamieMabon-c7x]

Hope You Got The 2023 Renegade Dalek Figures 👍

[@dalekbumps]

Of course!

[@IllusivePrime]

Two things I didn't like about the Renegades in Rememberance. Most of them had shiny eyes and they had a matt coloured casing. In Colin Baker and Peter Davidson's Dalek episodes they looks good as they had some shine to them, but that's just my opinion. As for the SWD, that what I was thinking, I heard a few years ago that it was originally a Renegade unit. Can't remember where I heard it from. I think it's also stated on a Doctor Who Wiki page. But it would be interesting to know how it went from a Renegade unit to Imperial. And I never knew the Renegades has weapon jamming equiptment to disrupt the Imperials accuracy. I just thought it was something to do with the fact that the Renegades been veteran fighters they are more experienced in fighting then Imperials. And if it wasn't for the Doctor, I think the Imperials would of won regardless. The Renegades are only a small force and with the Imperials, they knew the location of the Renegade base traped them. They could of also transmatted more units to pile on pressure on the Renegades even if they didn't have the SWD.

[@59rlmccormack]

I pray the story is revisited at some point in time.

[@reeceemms1643]

I think it was probably the Reneged Dalek who reclaimed Skaro and eventually became the time war era Daleks. I do have one question though which is: What is your favorite Dalek casing colour? Because yes the bronze and gold looks good, but I feel like the gun metal grey of the classic Daleks looks better.

[@dalekbumps]

I think the silver and black Daleks from Death to the Daleks are my favourite, but the Renegade and Time War designs are a close 2nd and 3rd

[@sword4005]

Yet davros was a part of the time war, don't think renegades would welcome back davros

[@reeceemms1643]

@@sword4005 yeah true, but we definitely know it wasn’t the imperial Daleks because they would have been the ones in the Time war.

[@sword4005]

​@@reeceemms1643 head canon is that the survivors of both faction put aside there hated of each other to survive and joined together etc with the eventual goal of war with the time lords, meaning the doctors plan ultimately backfired on him and the time lords and that both faction evolved into the time war era daleks, sadly i dont think we ever get a canon answer onto what happened

[@reeceemms1643]

@@sword4005 yeah because we never actually learnt who won the civil war. Because Remembrance of the Daleks was the final story and there is a large gap. It would be interesting to see if Big Finish or the show chooses to do something in that point where we see the Daleks of classic who turn into the time war era Daleks.

[@rightupmyalley617]

Imperial design is the best design behind the paradigm

[@nicholasdickens2801]

Rest in Peace Pamela Salem.

[@teddyboucher1848]

I like to think that the Renegade and Imperial Daleks ended up having a ceasefire in order to wage war against the Timelords, though the Renegades are more influential after the civil war due to Davros no longer being emperor.

[@nickthepick8043]

Excellent video as always! But I should point out, those Nitro canisters weren't Ace's, as the Doctor Pointed out she wasn't carrying any!

[@randomericthings7506]

They’re Daleks that are fans of X Ambassadors’ song, “Renegades”.

[@ThegreenMnMguy]

Doctor who should bring this design back

[@Marcy53Volkswagen]

i love how they are literally fat. this makes them more lovable

[@Raptorvision95]

Great video, Renegade Daleks are the best!

[@sunandshadow6593]

I think it's good that the splinter factions as well as the Renegades and Imperials are all left up in the air as to who took command of the other Daleks. Most likely the Renegade or Imperial factions took control and I'd bet on the Renegades winning from a logical viewpoint were it not for how the post-time war Dalek Emperor behaves. I feel like the history of the Imperials would make them more accepting of Davros, and more likely to adopt human to Dalek conversion technology. The nature of the Cult of Skaro also fits the Imperial philosophy better. However, I would say the Renegades win overall because the Time War daleks died out with Caan and at least one of their casings survived on the rebuilt Skaro. While an Imperial special weapons model survived, it could be argued that they (or at least one of their number) were converted into (a) Dalek Executioner.

[@paulo9991]

You would expect one side to wipe out the other and I confess I prefer the Renegade Daleks but I'm going to argue both the Imperial faction and the Renegade faction probably ended the civil war through some kind of diplomacy. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the conflicted ended with two of the Daleks from the Restoration Empire. That being the Dalek Prime Strategist (Renegade) and the Dalek Emperor (Imperial).

[@MrHighlifewest]

I loved the civil war and the imperial daleks. Id like to think that there is still a imperial dalek faction out there that has been in the process of rebuilding to a fully fledged force and then return as the new primary design of the show going forward. It could basically be a modernised imperial dalek casing.

[@superpenguinzzz]

the Dalek Great Schism

[@Firemansam1987]

The original renegade daleks

[@badwolf66]

The Renegades look like a continuation of The Destiny Daleks with their light grey colour scheme Whatever happened to the silver/blue daleks they just vanished after Genesis, the grey Daleks superseded them... or because the timeline was altered, the silver daleks now exist in a divergent timeline.

[@idontlikeitproductions3509]

I like the Renegade Daleks but I was cheering for the Imperials. As for who I think won the civil war? Honestly? The Doctor. While as you say, complimentary material says there were more Daleks, as far as Remembrance is concerned, both sides lost to the Doctor's machinations. Even if the Imperials were wiped out and the Renegades that weren't anywhere near Skaro when the Hand of Omega toasted it, that's hardly a victory, I'd call it inconclusive. The outcome favoured no one except the Doctor. I mean it's like having two football teams play against each other and then putting a two dozen saltwater crocodiles on the oval. The survivors aren't really gonna be said to have won, even if all of one side were wiped out.

[@snakedaemongaming6590]

The fact that these imperial daleks are the daleks of spiridon should be pointed out Emperor of the daleks comic based between revelation and remembrance, where in, he was put on trial, featuring the sixth and seventh doctor who engineer a virus which made the daleks a bad shot

[@dalek3055]

I think the renegades and imperials may be the peak of classic who dalek design, aside from possibly their first design. All 3 could easily work in the new series with some minor tweaks. I would love to hear what we know of the other Renegade factions. As for who won, i think the renegades, as the imperials were now headless, and the destruction of skaro would lead to "counter attacks" and strategems like the one seen in the Apocalypse element, leading to the empire in the Seriphia halaxy to eventually wage the time war

[@redjirachi1]

Renegade: You're genetically impure! Imperial: No, you! Renegade: I'm more racist than you Imperial: No I'M more racist than you

[@Dominic-mm6yf]

What was left of the original mk3 Daleks with better ray guns.

[@jinkschuvisko8772]

So, an "impairment" is a dalek's version of a heart attack

[@timecontroller8800]

The question of who actually one the civil war is an interesting question. Big finish are More on the side of the imperial daleks as most of the law seems to indicate that the imperials won but other sources claim it was the renegades. I think that neither won and that they actually joined forces the imperials wornt as big on racial purity as the renegades were and the dalek empire in the new series seemed very big on it with the cult of skaro being a prime example of it and the restoration empire becomes the one that takes on the time lords. I don’t know it’s a question that’s been debated for ages. The last bit of evidence for these daleks possibly being renegades is how the god emperor treats davros in restoration of the daleks

[@themeltpocalypse]

Does anyone know the episode shown during the screenshot of when he talks about the end of the dalek empire? It looks like an early episode from the 60s but I can't tell which

[@TheNapTaker]

talking abot the movellen virus, in ressurection of the daleks, theres a scene where a man and woman went into davros' chamber to do something, and the guy got infected by something. what was the thing infected him? and why only him?

[@Vidiocity92]

And in "War of the Daleks," the Davros faction is called Renegade Daleks while the Supreme loyalists are called Imperials 😀

[@JimmyBlether]

The scale of the conflict kinds falls apart if the imperials can just collapse because one small ship of theirs got blown to bits. In an interstellar/temporal war you'd expect them to have absurdly large numbers of ships and resources so even if davros was unavailable due to having bailed out of the ship when it exploded, the faction wouldn't immediately collapse from a relatively tiny loss. If the scale actually is as tiny as it is scene in Shoreditch, then its basically just a conflict between two rival gangs that you can just watch as a sport pretty much.

[@dalekbumps]

Don't forget that Skaro was also levelled, that's where the majority of the Imperial Daleks' infrastructure was located

[@JimmyBlether]

@@dalekbumps Not sure how that slipped my mind lmao

[@RemembranceDalekSupreme]

Screw the Imperials! Renegades forevah!!! :U

[@Zombie9Slayer]

Hi, I have a question- in "The Star Beast" there is archive sound taken from a Dalek saying "Exterminate" (when the camera focuses on Rose's toy that is representing a Dalek) do you know which episode this sound clip is taken from?... I did some digging and it was used in the Series 10 teaser trailer but in S10E1 "The Pilot" it is not used... I am wondering if you could help me out 😊

[@dalekbumps]

it definitely sounds like the Dalek from The Pilot, possibly an unused take from the episode that was used in the teaser trailer?

[@Zombie9Slayer]

@dalekbumps I originally thought it was from "The Time of the Doctor" as the sound clip is used but having a look at "The Day of the Doctor" it is used in the arcadia falls scene, I think this is the first time it was used

[@thomasjohnson8391]

Next do imperial daleks

[@azarothshadowsoul]

I love the designs of the Renegades, the Imperials' colour scheme was cool but they never looked right to me, the Renegades are way more sleek and sinister

[@spyor1]

500 views with 120 likes

[@sword4005]

Kinda wish we had a canon explanations how davros went from going to trial to emperor, i know there comics and secoundary stories but there not really canon

[@dalekbumps]

In Doctor Who either everything is canon or there is no canon, the comics and audios are just as valid as the show itself

[@sword4005]

@@dalekbumps except there contradiction in different stories, like davros having a mental decline and being taken over as emperor dalek personality in terra firma, never brought up again, or how how he becomes leader, there emperor of the daleks comic with a army of altered spirdon daleks, alternatively, there the audio story davros mission , where he given a virus to wipe out the daleks and doesn't do it to gain dalek loyalty

[@dalekbumps]

@@sword4005 there are contradictions and abandoned plot points in the TV stories too. How did Davros recover from the Movellan Virus? Why do Daleks work with Ogrons? How does he get his humanoid body back in New Who after becoming Dalek Emperor in Classic Who? Why aren't the Daleks in Genesis of the Daleks silver, like the early Daleks from the '60s, instead of grey like the contemporary Daleks from other '70s and '80s stories? Why are Daleks robots in Destiny of the Daleks, before switching back to organic in Resurrection of the Daleks? Ironically, most of these contradictions or abandoned plot ideas from the show are actually explored or elaborated on in the audios. Any and all contradictions within the lore of Doctor Who can be put down to either time-travel, a divergent timeline, or a symptom of the fundamental instability of the universe itself. This is inherent in a franchise whose main premise involves constant criss-crossing time travel, changing history, and occasionally destroying/resurrecting the entire universe, so trying to maintain a consistent canon is pointless, and counter-productive

[@sword4005]

@@dalekbumps yeah the true, maybe it be explored in show some day, other wise just shrug it off as toymaker playing with the doctor history

[@dalekbumps]

@@sword4005 that's one potential explanation, but I personally don't lean too heavily on it. Its like "a wizard did it". I prefer to interpret the inconsistencies in Doctor Who's in-universe history as a trait of the Doctor's universe that they have learned to accept, the universe is in constant flux and timelines aren't always linear or continuous. Things like altering time, parallel universes, meta-crises and godlike entities have been a thing in Doctor Who since the beginning, so at this point quite literally anything is possible

[@greggoleggo9160]

The doctor won

[@melina001a]

To quote Ace in Remembrance of the Daleks: "It's simple, isn't it. Renegade Daleks are blobs. Imperial Daleks are bionic blobs with bits added. You can tell that Daleks are into racial purity. So, one lot of Daleks reckon the other lot of blobs are too different. They're mutants. Not pure in their blobbiness. They hate each other's chromosomes. War to the death."

[@newWAYNEorder606]

Mostly the same as your WATImperialD video.

[@dalekbumps]

There are some short segments that are the same in both videos

[@Special_Weapons_Dalek]

Renegade Daleks suck!