What are the BETA?

What are the BETA? A fitting question for such immeasurable beings. This video explains them while not giving away all the secrets.
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anime used for exposition (in chronological order of the timeline)
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[@thealternativeproject]

New Video up! We answer your burning question about the use of Strategic Weapons against the BETA! kzbin.info/www/bejne/laTJgJWdjb92oq8

[@jesusofbullets]

It still just absolutely blows my mind that the first Muv-Luv game is a rom-com and Muv-Luv Alternative makes you seek therapy for how brutally they kill characters. The first brutal death serves as a mental flashbang because you were so used to the light hearted tone of the first game. I went into this blind and physically said "holy shit, HOLLLLLLY SHIIIIIIIT"

[@thealternativeproject]

I agree 100%! but i think your comment kinda delves into hard spoilers,coukd you give a warning or like spam enter to make it not appear on first glance lol. -G

[@PedroInvicta]

Damn it went the opposite for me, bc im into mechas and that I landed on Muv-Luv alternative first and it was like ohhhh ok this seems kinda brutal but acceptable, then I encounter the games and was like wtf, where's the gore?

[@Skynomer]

​@@thealternativeprojectyeah 😅 never even knew about this series.

[@sasquatchhadarock968]

My first exposure to the series was the violent one. I watched one episode then forgot about it for a few years. Finally found it again I went "Muv-Luv"? Wtf kind of name is that for a bloody grim dark mecha? Only now I find out it was a sequel to a romcom. Not that surprising, really.

[@npc6817]

Crunch

[@PromisedTriggeringExcalibait]

The designs are really unique and stray away from the typical guy wearing weird mask and gloves "aliens". Definitely gonna give this a watch

[@thealternativeproject]

Definitely! Muv Luv is a very unique and amazing universe with a great story from visual novels to anime!

[@lavaavalon]

if you like this anime and you read manga, try "ALL YOU NEED IS KILL" similar idea of aliens destroying earth and LOTS of deaths

[@AyamineMISC]

I'd recommend reading the visual novel instead of the anime

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

The worst part is that there is a rumor the BETA as a whole are just just *_mining units, not a true invading army!_* Imagine them how would be to face *_the real warrior caste of the BETA._* No... it's better not even try to imagine that.

[@Meteorknite]

Sounds like tyranids

[@TheRay21420]

Ever heard of the Laser Fort class?

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

@@TheRay21420 Yeah. But the Laser Fort only appeared *_after_* the BETA finally learn what war is.

[@josesanchez1011]

That almost sounds like one of the theories from Cthulhutech where humanity is fighting the Migou, an insectoid species that mines worlds for resources. It's been a decade of conflict in the games timeline but others point out the same concept. We are only fighting the miners and laborers of a local part of the Migou swarm. Not even the full might of their empire and it's warriors.

[@boneknockgrit2695]

yes it just a miner. just a man made (alien made) artifact life form. however it also the theory that may be it possible ate its creator long time ago and just stray aimless through the universe. which come to another question, how many of them in our universe ?!

[@magellali1623]

One of the most gruesome and grotesque aliens in sci-fi. We welcome you to Muv luv where death is the norm and hope is a long forgotten word.

[@generalcheese5858]

Warhammer 40K "Amateurs"

[@thiccthighssavelives5866]

Tyranids: Food is Food!

[@virgilio6349]

​@@generalcheese5858More like: "First time?"

[@SeedemFeedemRobots]

to the 40k mentions, i will be honest the nids and such look rather generic compared to the absolute wierdo designs these aliens here are. (wished the chaos daemons looked this weird)

[@thiccthighssavelives5866]

@@SeedemFeedemRobots what did you expect from a tabletop game from 1987?

[@mateuszbanaszak4671]

They take the sweet spot between Zerg's and Tyranid's. Not an apocalyptic-level threat, but also not an basic horde monsters.

[@gabrielandradeferraz386]

they are a slow apocalipse that we may or may not be able to eventually face and defeat

[@stugiiif146]

I'd say no. Zerg adapt immediately, Tryanids adapt within days to hours. Both of them have more massive numbers, more strains, and have less weaknesses.

[@hiramesensei3112]

Beta are super low tier power level when compared to anything from Starcraft or especially 40K, but that's ok because it's supposed to be that way. They're not even a military, they're just mining equipment. They'd get stomped by any faction from 40K, but to modern era humans, they are absolutely an apocalypse level threat.

[@Sonlirain]

@@hiramesensei3112 Depends on the faction imho. They could be a problem to the imperial guard (And especially an unprepared PDF) because of their reliance on artillery, but that could be equalized by deploying a mix of Leman Russes like Punishers and Vanquishers (And hoping they have enough ammo to wax all the critters). The Tau would likely laugh them off with railgun and plasma fire because i somehow doubt their shells would be tough enough to withstand Tau railguns.

[@jack-exzolt9858]

What I find disturbing about them is not the fangs nor claws, stingers or any predatory aspects of it. It's their Human-Like teeth, and they are all molars. Meaning BETA's don't just bite you, they outright gnash and chomp.

[@lorefox201]

molars and incisors no canines. They aren't predators.

[@jack-exzolt9858]

@@lorefox201 Didn't say they were.

[@lorefox201]

@@jack-exzolt9858 I was just pointing out, they're not optimized for predation which makes them scarier

[@deadeyecpt.7765]

They are resource collecting minions, a mining tool if you will.

[@heruiksanudin8942]

@@deadeyecpt.7765 that what exactly they are and laser class is usually for mining

[@PRdreg]

The B.E.T.A may not be the most popular sci-fi alien race but they're sure as hell just as cool as their Western counterparts, the Zerg and the Chimera.

[@trainenthusiast5199]

Yeah man the Chimera were sick

[@PRdreg]

@@trainenthusiast5199 Very much agreed

[@Meteorknite]

A setting like this needed unstoppable protagonist to balance out all weapons being hopeless. Something like hero as in ace combat ending the war alone

[@thealternativeproject]

Uhhhhhh spoilers >_> -G

[@PeteOfDarkness]

And it totally have to be teenage boy/girl with issues/dark past!

[@heartlessnobody1143]

​@@PeteOfDarknessas per contract, yes

[@Derk_Mage]

Is there one? I just want to skip to information, so if there is a op character, tell me them please.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@Derk_Mage google is your friend my guy ! Alternatively join the ML reddit! -G

[@grimnir8872]

One thing you sort of got incorrect is the sequence of which the Laser class show up, the main reason why the BETA are able to overrun a modern military IS the laser class, who are basically the ultimate anti air weapons capable of targetting and destroying even hypersonic missiles; Without the laser class the BETA are actually fairly easily to mop up with Artillery, it's the reason why the mechs exist in the first place = The mechs target the laser class units, and then the rest are mopped up.

[@thealternativeproject]

Well you are correct but we also decided to leave out ALOT of info including sequence like how its laser-then heavy laser class supported by forts. And how their destruction affects the battlefield,but i guess in a sense its implied? This video covers the bare basics just covering the strains themselves,like concept wise. Im not sure if this addresses your concern though sorry! P.s you seem very knowledgeable mate. Would you be interested in joining the team? -G

[@chaosinsurgency6636]

I feel like the BETA anti-air variant is absolutely plot armor that it can hit artillery mid air like a shell thats 6 inches in size or less followed by tens if not hundreds of other rounds. I feel like the reason that artillery shouldn’t have failed to work would be because they simply ran out of ammunition to the swarm of the BETA

[@grimnir8872]

​@@thealternativeproject I understand what you mean, you were taking it from a battlefield position role where Laser Heavy laser and Forts are generally deployed way back and the offensive of the BETA is rushing with melee units. I was just pointing out that canonically the BETA were dominant because they took away air and sea superiority almost instantly because Laser units were one of the first to be "felt" In that case the guide is very good in showing just why the BETA are so absolutely horrific to fight. Keep up the good work.

[@grimnir8872]

@@chaosinsurgency6636 The issue there is the BETA didn't really land as a swarm, they started out small, the reason they became out of hand is they were ignored and the BETA hive is good at overall adaptive tactics. Lasers make sense when you understand the entire point of the BETA is to defend hives as they mine for resources and each form is hyper adapted to this job. Laser class are literally colossal eyes that also work as a focusing lens for an extremely powerful laser weapon. It's a "Little" Plot armorlike but it does give a good explaination why they needed mechs designed for close quarters and rapid vertical insertion over just Macross style robot-jets.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@grimnir8872 fair assessment my guy and thank you very much! Hopefully we can deliver more good quality! -G

[@williamthacker3866]

I think the most terrifying part is their unfathomable numbers around the entire universe. If memory serves, it’s implied that their numbers can only be quantified in scientific notation

[@akowkakaoakaowkaoakoaoa]

ten to the thirty-seventh power 1e+37, basically ten sextillion life forms across the universe, and they are all mining organisms 😅

[@ekszentrik]

Great video I always loved the BETA. While they use some of the obvious insectoid/Tyranid inspirations that is practically par for the course for an alien invasion threat in pop culture, they do not actually look visually anything like that. Even if you wouldn't know about them, the Tyranids have a kinda familiar insectoid-bordering-reptilian design, i.e. something that reads easily as "Earth life-adjacent". Meanwhile, the BETA don't look like anything. They are truly alien. At best, the only parallel is maybe something you can find in an Hieronymus Bosch painting.

[@bc9402]

I will not spoil anything just simply talk about design here, but your correct. Although the Tyranids and the beta achieve the same thing in different ways. The beta are unnerving as they do not look natural, and look more like something that a person trying to describe a creature out of a nightmare would look like, something bizarre and not normal. In other words as you said, truly alien. As for the Tyranids, they achieve this same unnerving feeling by having looks and traits of natural predators and including creatures that target primal fears that exists in humans, like our aversion to things having multiple legs like an arachnid or or centipede, not to mention traits from reptiles and even aquatic life. Seemingly normal everyday animals, has their traits taken and used in the most horrific ways, as if your were fighting alien nature itself. Both are unnerving, but do it int their own unique way.

[@animeturnMMD]

@@bc9402 Also the bases for the design of tyranides comes from a time when things were simpler and you didn't need to be overly original with everything, warhammer 40K is a franchise with more than 30 decades under its belly, so the designs have been updated several times but without losing completely its original vibes, the earliest Warhammer 40K designs comes from about 1987, while Muv luv is from 2006. I don't think that the desing of the BETAs is better just because is more unique, because whoever did the BETA's desings already new about the aracnids from Starship troopers, the Tyranids from Warhammer, the Zergs from Starcraft and other similar examples, so his jobs was easier in a way. However I thing that the Beta really look like something completely alien, I thing only the xenomorfs from Alien have that kind of unnerving but truly alien vibes around them.

[@HubiKoshi]

Yeah I always found their designs really disturbing, they just feel so twisted and inhuman.

[@KevinJohnson-cv2no]

Nah they have a bunch of humanoid characteristics lol. Humanoid arms, hands, mouths etc. can be spotted in abundance. It's just all arranged randomly, which makes them look more goofy than alien if you ask me. They look like something some guy whipped up using random figures from a blender animation as opposed to actual alien lifeforms.

[@animeturnMMD]

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no No one knows how alien life forms would look like or if they will have similar traits to life on earth, for me they look as alien as can be, but in my opinion what doesn't make sense is their sizes, something as big as a Destroyer class shouldn't be able to even move around in Earth's gravity, but I guess that it has a similar explanation that in many other psifi franchises, a miraculous element that makes everything make sense, in Muv luv's case are the G elements which are used by both factions in the war to defy the laws of physics.

[@wargeneralbonez]

It's like facing a Zerg Player not using Flying Units yet using gigantic units.

[@NeinDao]

The tank and the grappler should swap names

[@lelouche25]

I used to think that about the Destroyer since it was a big ass heavily armored BETA.

[@matteste]

One little detail I feel would have been worth mentioning is that how despite they are carbon based lifeforms, they lack any kind of digestive system or the like, calling into question what they really are.

[@thealternativeproject]

Valid point! But we chose to leave out alot of detail ,while including as much as possible in order to make the first 3 videos spoiler free yet still very informational. There will be another indepth breakdown and more down the line !

[@Mord12gp]

could be their some kind of bio-machine with built in programing. My understanding of the series is limited but I don't think they're that smart. They just force their way with numbers.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@Mord12gp spoilers!!! my guy, especially if you havent seen the VNs. and i think the wiki also has spoilers if you go looking for finer details, but i havent looked that hard at the details there atm.

[@im50yearsold]

@@Mord12gp You are right. They are not life forms they are machines programmed to mine the planet and launch resources home

[@NecromancyForKids]

Could be something like insects, who, in their final forms, lack the ability to eat and thus have very limited lifespans.

[@ZX-Gear]

Can we just stop to give attention to how the Soldier Class has a very visible opening resembling a vagina in its lower abdomen just to add to the u settling factor?

[@thealternativeproject]

Uhhh we know chief xD -G

[@uteriel282]

their bodies are also shaped like a penis with their rare resembling balls. theyre literally a walking dick joke turned flesh eating monster.

[@Catheur]

To those whk see this and get into muv luv as a result, i wish you all the best when the chomp happens

[@fealtyknight1015]

I agree !

[@student1510]

You mean the out of nowhere Sgt one ?

[@fealtyknight1015]

@@student1510 yes

[@iancorder6133]

I am absolutely in shambles remembering that.

[@fealtyknight1015]

@@iancorder6133 the vn was worse ngl

[@CuanticMonkey]

"the only good bug is a dead bug" Buenos aires survivor

[@Тоска-к8к]

The BETA are organic robots created by silicon-based aliens who didn't know carbon-based biology could develop naturally. Literally.

[@thealternativeproject]

mark as spoilers please. -G

[@kreigguardsman3355]

When is that revealed

[@lavos333]

3:43 What I find the most interesting part of BETA design is how their usual "formation" is not a product of intrinsic intelligence, just a result of the differences in physical characteristics. Most of the time they are on auto, using absolutely no strategy or tactics whatsoever, but their own nature and differences between strains results in the same battle doctrines happening. It's like a biological, instinctual form of combined arms warfare. MUV-LUV ALTERNATIVE SPOILERS And most terryfing of all, all the strains we know of are expendable mining drones. Even the core of the original hive doesn't consider itself a lifeform, so one shudders to imagine what a bona-fide, actual invasion of the actual BETA would look like. They are entities capable of designing biological machines that work so perfectly in tandem with each other that they result in a completly one-sided war against the finest humanity has to offer.

[@barrybend7189]

Another spoiler..... The actual BETA were negotiated with and changed their strategy to not inadvertently hit worlds with sentient life. Though by that time Humanity created AI and weapons that can match or exceed Beta base units.

[@barrybend7189]

@@freebird6852 nope one of the visual novels.

[@sethleoric2598]

Based on this video, my personal theory is that these things are robot soldiers, not like actual mechanical soldiers, i mean that these things were sent by some other malevolent force to subjugate earth. In the same way that humans will send a drone strike to kill a warlord during a wedding, so too did whatever force out there send the Beta to subjugate Earth. Every form we've seen other than maybe the Destroyer appear to be made entirely for combat, they apparentally don't have a digestive system, they build a few things sure but they're main goal appears to be killing and eating things so they can make more of them so they can kill and eat more things. Even ants do other shit like building complex nests and fighting other ants and actually eating. They aren't here to live or survive, they're here to destroy.

[@thealternativeproject]

Well they do build HIVEs but we left ALOT of info out to keep it spoiler free within our first 3 videos. So im curious to see your pov in the future. That being said you are 90% correct,good deduction skills!! -G

[@verttiviljaminiemi7574]

It is interesting how in Anime forgot which one, there is Finnish survivor, who told about her father who defended Finland, Finland putting into good defence, but failed due corrupt government and Military Leadership which sounds like what happened to us in WW2. Thank you still for making this video, always been interested of the BETA, and creeped out of them due how in anime they show BETA eating humans alive.

[@thealternativeproject]

What you mean forgot? But aye thanks man! -G

[@blackmark7165]

Its really interesting how Muv-Luv start as your typical dating VN jumping straight into post apocalyptic mecha busting alien which really confused me

[@thealternativeproject]

Took me for a loop too..but you come to really love the dating sim romcom stuff later.. -G

[@blackmark7165]

@@thealternativeproject indeed, btw have you read Muv-Luv crossover fanfic with Supreme Commander RTS game? Its really good read

[@thealternativeproject]

i have not,between trying to get the next video through and life stuff,plus my own muv luv projects,my time is sparse sadly. drop a link if you want though! -G

[@maryjames8433]

@@blackmark7165 link link link link link link link link

[@teachme5334]

You still got a link for that, man?​@blackmark7165

[@steadholderharrington9035]

Gruesome and disturbing series, but I still love it when Yuuya first takes to the battlefield with the prototype high-speed railgun and in an instant becomes the first human to obliterate an entire invading force of Beta's which included a lot of the Beta Destroyers, tanks and grappler units in it, nearly all by himself, stunning all of the other multi-national combatant forces on the field, as well as those in the rear command base.

[@yeahitsmeimhere6921]

Like this video a lot. You guys did exactly what you set out to do and made it way easier to digest this info than most other online aources

[@thealternativeproject]

Glad it was helpful! we want the plethora of info available out there to be easily understood and utilised. but the codex and wiki are great for understanding everything however its has some outdated info and its all over the place is a headache lol.

[@BrotherStororius]

the light of the imperium will not tolerate this heresy

[@thealternativeproject]

The emperor protects! -G

[@sonny167349]

Great video! Especially now that Muv-Luv is getting more attention here on the west these past few years. At first when I entered the series I thought of them as your usual "humanity extermination species" thing, the truth... ended up being a lot more haunting than expected. Just seeing that "particular strain" is enough to trigger the memories already. 😅

[@thealternativeproject]

Im assuming you mean when, 'you know who' asks about that experience..? You mean "that" strain right? Lol. And we along with others are trying to get muv luv to the west in an accessible and hopefully interesting way. So its amazing its getting more attention! Muv Luv really us a hidden diamond in the rough -G

[@theulmateunit648]

Betas when they meet alphas:

[@SiriProject]

I just started to get into the franchise via anime (i'll try the VN later) and I'm thankful that you explained everything so clearly, without any spoiler content! For a big fanbase as Muv Luv has, there's not that many divulgative channels in here, so it's greatly appreciated.

[@thealternativeproject]

That was our goal with the first 3 videos! So thank you ! We highly reccomemd the VNs,they paint such a deep and detailed picture. And the feels come harder then the anime honestly. (Ofc MLA anime is baller though) -G

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

Yo wait a minute Yamamoto voiced this video. That's f*cking sick! Love that guy.

[@thealternativeproject]

Indeed lol. Hes a good man! -G

[@deniskruffsave4588]

Humans in the 40,000 K universe should be able to defeat the Betas with ease in my opinion.

[@fealtyknight1015]

Well yeah but the BETA do adapt so they might tyranids level of pain ..plus if you see exolarity

[@deniskruffsave4588]

@@fealtyknight1015 No, the humans in 40K are armed enough to carry out a plan to wipe out the betas in a matter of hours, and in the 40K universe, the humans fight a race that adapts all the time, but humans can fight even if they adapt. good. (This might be because of the Imperial Navy.)

[@benz505]

​@@deniskruffsave4588Tbf, any Sci-Fi navy would kick the BETA's teeth in as they themselves don't have any space force whatsoever. But I strongly disagree with the IG being able to defeat the BETA. Literally none of their tactics (except for those of the Gaunts' Ghost's) would work against them.

[@deniskruffsave4588]

@@benz505 Yes true, but the main interplanetary strategy because beta size still takes more than 30 years to war against humans with only 200+ years of technology, but for human combat forces at 40,000+ years and hundreds of airborne warships attacking Personally, I don't think it's hard to beat Beta for sure with spaceships in Warhammer 40K or maybe just 1-2 Primemarks.

[@anonymousidn777]

Well Silly Marbo can handle this alone😂 or just 1 Cadia regiment will get the job done in hours..the Emperor Protects!

[@potatomongrel]

it seems like some of these beta could be a detriment to other varients if humans can harness them. That acid can come in handy when dealing with them.

[@thealternativeproject]

define "harness them?"

[@potatomongrel]

@@thealternativeproject if they can subdue the fortress type and drain it of it's acid they could weaponize it. melt waves of them by raining acid on them. make trap mortars that and bullets that inject acid to melt them from the inside out. It could seriously dammage lazer types as the acid would destroy ther corneas. even heavy lazer types can't stop acid as it would eat away at their protective lids and render them blind.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@potatomongrel thats one way to go about it but thats full of so many logistical and technical hurdles that might dwarf even the XG-70 lol. Plus i think forts are not able to be captured the same way as smaller strains. Food for thought though,but in universe i think these ideas are avoided for "big battle scene" lol.

[@giathuanleviet4138]

​@@potatomongrel everything you say above can be done by bullet, making acid ammo that can literally eating everything on it way is a logistic nightmare, from containing the strain to producing them to transport and use, too unreliable and asking for a containment breach.

[@randomnobody8713]

​@@potatomongrelyou know the fact that they store acid inside of them already tells that it wouldn't work

[@tomaspedro7632]

Amazing video!

[@thekietnguyen2673]

Now this is high quality content

[@kernsanders3973]

Thanks, I watched the two series on this and loved it. Always wanted to pick up the VNs and see the complete story but life has just gotten in the way. Hopefully would do one day. Although a person like me won't mind a spoiler marked video on the BETA, basically know everything said here from the series and yes indeed I "Would Like To Know More". So even I never get around to running through the VNs then at least I would know more than the surface level depth of the BETA from what the series' offers. I see on japanese youtube there is development videos on a action 3rd person game in development for Muv Luv. That would be sick, the tech is at a great spot to do it justice.

[@thealternativeproject]

this video shouldn't really contain spoilers as its a general overview, everything in-depth was intentionally left out, as to give new people a lot to look forward to when seeing anime or the VNs. Unless you mean if we make a video encompassing everything then you wouldn't mind either? also there is project Mikhail but otherwise other games are kind of hard to access an whatnot!. glad you like our content though! -G

[@situngkirnathan]

Imagine being a spacefaring life form with illogical attributes, only to be beaten by apes that walk on two feet and can throw rocks very far away.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@situngkirnathan lots of rocks i might add lol. -G

[@lelouche25]

Ape strong, together.

[@Eleven217]

I'll never look at twizzlers the same way ever again.

[@thealternativeproject]

SHUT XD -G

[@mafiadvd8946]

But how did humanity survive that long? building large mech and weapon must be consuming a lot of our resources really fast

[@Kurruchi]

The BETA assault was gradual. At first it was only one hive of BETA in Kashgar, not like as if the current absurdly high #s were always there. They do other stuff besides endlessly moving forward to destroy so there was SOME time Also as for building mechs, the TSFs are just by far the most suited, not all they fight with. Early into the war it was primarily the plethora of old tanks, military equipment and nukes being used for what attempts at containing BETA offensives they could do. Even as late as 2001 the USSR still uses tanks in a decent capacity. The TSFs were built upon MMUs that'd already been used to build on the moon, and had been used in some combat capacity during the lunar war. So the transition took time but was possible, would've probably been smoother if not for the cold war.

[@bigslurpee2078]

I've never even heard of this until I randomly came across this video, this is really interesting.

[@thealternativeproject]

Welcome to the PTSD rabbit hole lol. P.s check out our friend yamamoto mech battles who has way more on muv luv atm! -G

[@alpacaofthemountain8760]

I just found a new universe I all obsess about

[@thealternativeproject]

Ahah welcome my guy,its pretty great here until the PTSD sets in :b -G

[@RelativelyBest]

They really should be called the ETAB's, as in "Extra-Terrestrial Adversarial Beings."

[@thealternativeproject]

The term BETA is used in nearly form of communicae in wartime so ETAB doesnt roll off the tongue lol. -G

[@Drewer]

i think a good strategy game could be crated based on this system.

[@thealternativeproject]

If only,like a coh2 /foxhole /mowas2 and hoi4 blend imo would be awesome. -G

[@Anti-NPC]

Agreed, theres a hoi4 mod out there​@@thealternativeproject

[@Su47Berkut-z3m]

This is quite interesting, i might read up more on the original material now, thanks.

[@thealternativeproject]

Watch our first video on what is muv luv that may help

[@Su47Berkut-z3m]

@@thealternativeproject Actually watched everything you uploaded so far now. Its good work, hoping for more.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@Su47Berkut-z3m ohbi see,thanks mate! Once we've restructured and found a potential VA you should see more frequency! -G

[@ftblr66]

These things should look better than they do to me. I wish I had the words to describe it, but the closest that I can come to the right words is it has that modern anime look. It looks like there are scenes in both 2D computer render and 3D computer render, and neither one looks right to me. I feel like they should look dirtier, like they've been in the mud and scraped by rocks in the terrain. The only way I can say it is these models look too clean. I've been told that there are things a skilled team can do with the lighting, but I don't know exactly what. It feels like at some point the industry figured out how to present a high school anime perfectly and forgot to change the settings for every other genre.

[@thealternativeproject]

You make a point honestly,TSFs get covered in blood n so on the BETA kinda dont lol

[@dudududu1926]

They really do look out of place.

[@SavorySoySauce]

The way this was presented reminded me of the old Halo waypoint videos with the narration of events in the history of Halo.

[@thealternativeproject]

God i miss HWP good old days. -G

[@j-frame]

The Beta is so frightening Human even build evacuation ship.

[@thealternativeproject]

Spoilers mate! -G

[@mochithepooh5368]

You know, I really wish they gave the standard combat vehicles to be more effective and not just props meant to be rolled over. Cause normal TSF guns use 36mm auto cannon and 120mm canon, that's not much different than 20/25/30mm auto cannon used on APC or APV, and 120mm is basically a modern battle tank cannon. Yes they aren't as mobile as TSF so they probably can't run away but they're still very much combat capable.

[@thealternativeproject]

Well in operation 21st via the MLA anime we see them in a more combat effective light. Vs say TE where their cannon fodder more so. But the series focus's on TSFs visually. However in the lore an such they actually are given alot of detail. Their is SPAA and SPG's etc. I really want to explore these in the future tbh. -G

[@thomaspynchon1868]

To tell, i just watched some clips in facebook and saw the battle and it was really terrifying. Still, idk why they attack humanity

[@thealternativeproject]

Its always an enigma with things concerning the BETA. -G

[@kagerouge9007]

Tell me one thing, are humans carbon based lifeforms ? This will lead to the answer

[@thealternativeproject]

@@kagerouge9007 pretty sure we are xD so therefore..you know -G

[@virgilio6349]

​@@thealternativeprojectWasn't it theorized that they are biological mining equipment gone rogue?

[@thealternativeproject]

@@virgilio6349 #### Spoiler warning #### Read at own risk. So they arnt rogue my guy,they answer to a higher power..which is the original hive that started it all on earth. The BETA's purpose varies but one of their purpises is that they are mining earths resources to send "home" The above is based on certain events not yet covered in the MLA Anime adaptation. -G

[@kereymckenna4611]

This unlocked some core memories for me

[@wzx6x6z6w]

Who would win, Zergs (Starcraft), BETAs, Tyranids (Warhammer 40k) or Arachnids (Starship Troopers)? Assuming they all start with equal numbers. Edit: Guess I should add Formics from Ender's Game as well.

[@chocolat-kun8689]

Zergs, they not only have intergalatic travel. They also assimilate anything that has life. The worse is that you became infested, which is fate worse than death.

[@jflowization]

now that is a very tough question, out of the mosh pit that would create, only the Zerg and definitely the Tyranids would be left standing, the Zerg however though very similar to the Tyranids in tactics and evolution, would be in a VERY sorry state, they wouldnt be able to keep up with the Nids constant on the fly evolution and adaptation, eventually the Nids would be even more powerful and probably develop new strains of bio-forms, espcially with the Beta dna now coursing through the hive fleets, the current strains like gaunts and Gargoyles would be significantly upgrade for better urban combat, much like how the other bigger strains would adopt new abilites and traits from the larger beta classes. Another thing to add is if there is anything Psychic related on the battlefield, The Shadow of the Warp would be in full effect, shutting off essential needs like space travel, psychic connections to the lesser units and such. The only ones that could stand up and keep up with Tyranids rapid evolution would be the Orks since the spores from dead Orks actually fight things at the molecular level, growing and adapting just as fast as the Nids.

[@andrefilipe9042]

If in a single planet, then Tyranids. If in a whole star system then Zerg. The Swarm's Leviathan can FTL while the Tyranid Hivefleet can only travel at sub-light speed. Also Baneling.

[@TacynMegan]

Tyranids come from outside the galaxy Zergs are sectorial( krupulu sector) threat Beta have been fighting humans for 30 years while tyranids eat worlds within in hours

[@seilujph8859]

dont forget the flood

[@nodosa994]

I don't know why youtube recommended me this video. I've not heard of this series at all, yet despite that, I just watched this entire video! Great work! Might give the show a peek.

[@letssuperfuntime]

A word to the wise if you plan on hopping into this series: Persevere, continue on until the end. The art style is dated, the music is campy, the first game in the series is absolutely necessary to understand what comes after (and before), but is an absolute SLOG of a VN. You need to forge a connection with the characters in order to appreciate the story in full, it may seem impossible at times; heck the one bond that ties you to the series may be just be pure stubbornness, or outright dislike. Whatever that bond is; I urge you to hold fast to it. Because it is the ONLY way that you'll get through this series and (potentially) experience one of the most complex, but deeply satisfying conclusions to any fictional work (written or otherwise). Good luck, and remember that it's always the darkest before dawn.

[@Randomusername56782]

So let me get this straight, so originially OTL fighter jets and airpower we see irl was initially really effective against the beta, but the beta invetiably adopted to combat human airforces?

[@thealternativeproject]

Its believed so,as the BETA are more then what we see. And they did get expanded on much later in the series so ill leave it at that for spoilers sake. -G

[@KelebMoonDancer]

I always felt these kind of threats do seem cool, untill you realize modern weaponry- without being limited by the geneva convention, and modern tech. Would turn mass murdering bio-forms into a cakewalk, radiowaves could be used to make them cook up and explode at a distance for example. The potential of killing humanity already has, ignoring nuclear bombs is insane, a united humanity would steamroll a species who's only tactic is zerg rushes.

[@thealternativeproject]

Nukes werent ignored it is a similar dilemma to the G-bomb and humanity is fighting a "clean war" additionally the story is at 2001 so its feasible microwaves werent that high tech yet,like we see zumwalt destroyers in integrate thats like a decade or so after even. But also mecha action my guy lol. But generally the BETA would likely adapt to these things..which would be highly problematic. -G

[@KelebMoonDancer]

@@thealternativeproject I love the anime for what it is, and enjoy it as is dont get me wrong. But the beta would get modied by 2001 humans after some considerable losses. Their lasers are countered by low flying mechs? The entire reason we dont fly planes that low is indeed to not blow out everyone's eardrums and cause mass destruction- aswell as avoid enemy small arms fire. But if pilots could? yeah no laser betas would get bodied by low flying planes rapidly zooming across the battlefield. Frontline betas? Doesnt matter how fancy your armor is, if something hits you with enough force your insides are mush. They would get bodied by anti tank guns or tankhunters. There's so many crazy counters and really f'd up things i can think of to indeed wreck the betas- even if they adapted its just on to the next tactic. The real terrifying thing would be if the betas learned infiltration like 40k genestealers or xenomorphs from alien. Now then humanity would be utterly done for, we deal well with battlelines and destruction outside or production sites. But the moment we get infiltrated its GG.

[@matiasfpm]

​@@KelebMoonDancer planes flying too low always is risky. Some guys said that "Ekranoplanos"(search it) would be more practical for that range of altitudes. Another retarded thing, is that the tanks are never developed for BETA combat, but nooooooo, tanks using ERA(used as counter-measure against OTHER tanks IRL) is a viable choice 😅 No more ammo? No better turret with spikes or chainsaws for fending off melee BETAs? No better armor? Nope. NOTHING.

[@Qia_shaajah-deh]

​@@matiasfpmYeah it's a shame but tbf armour wouldn't really help. Humanity threw most of it's resources into super mobile TSFs

[@saucevc8353]

Can't the betas just counter nuclear bombs with their lasers? And I assume they're far less sensitive to radiation and mutations as well.

[@Novice_Mecha64]

This reminds me of the Tyranids swarms in 40K. They look like giant mindless investations, but after further inspection, has a hive-mind intelligence that overpowered humanity with sheer numbers. Except the difference is that imperium has slow-moving gun Platforms called Titans and Knights. While Muv-Luv have fast maneuvering T.S.F.

[@bartomolev6682]

it really shows how pathetic humanity is once our air superiority is taken away.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@bartomolev6682 id say more about how genius we are to combat any threat. We still have strategic bombers after laser jagd success too. -G

[@lelouche25]

It turned the war into a meat grinder, half of the world population got chomped, but by fucking god we are still in that fight.

[@socialreveluv5428]

For a second I thought this is some real life conspiracy sh*t with the title, thumbnail and all but I was so wrong lol

[@thealternativeproject]

@@socialreveluv5428 Uhhh...get clickbaited? 🤣(im sorry lol) But nope this is just a lore video! -G

[@f.b.l.9813]

the BETAS are one of the freakiest looking monsters ever!

[@boneknockgrit2695]

welcome to the universe where earth is nothing but a dinner table for the alien invader. where we have to abandon our home world to escape this horror. with the hope that we not run into another group of them in the space.

[@nicoary3677]

one of greatness sci-fi ever..... the whole successor of Starship Troopers, wait until you see Fortress Lasser class love the design of TSF too, USSR TSF design is wild and awesome

[@thealternativeproject]

The extra fort is spoilers mate could you tag it as such please! -G

[@andrejisko4902]

Everybody gangsta until Big handsome man with black hair and flaming sword shows up

[@terithrow3214]

as a fan of bio civilizations, like the tyranids and zergs, i love to see another bio species video, and i wish to see more

[@thealternativeproject]

There are deffo plans down the line to do a very indepth on the BETA,but that is spoilers so fair warning for future! P.s thank you! -G

[@fenrirrising131]

You ever seen blue gender? I dont remember shit about it but if memory serves it might be up your alley

[@justcharacter2098]

Just finished muv luv Anime and right away I get recommended this! Not that I'm complaining tho, very good video!

[@thealternativeproject]

Glad we could help!

[@jager2237]

Btw, nice audio cue to Ace Combat for the intro

[@zahylon5993]

My solution to the beta problem would be to pull a UNO reverse and develop The Flood from Halo...but for Silicon-based lifeforms. instead of direct firepower, we make an abominable parasitic species designed specifically to infest the BETA by taking over their nervous system, produce more parasite pods from the BETA, and in turn infect the BETA swarm. A counter swarm which is loyal to mankind due seeing us, the carbon-based lieforms as the only true life. This would force the BETA to fight a war against both conventional human militaries and pathogens designed to destroy them. So instead of burning the slain BETA, we use them as biomater to feed our own Swarm of eldritch horrors

[@thealternativeproject]

Ive seen enough zombie movies to know this is a scary idea that could back fire hard lol. -G

[@fnnnn5986]

Beautiful narration

[@dougjones3305]

This person portrayed the Chinese government accurately... Not asking for help because of their pride until it is way too late.... They are one of the weak links in the chain holding this world together.

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

I feel like the East Germans were the most stupid in this case. They refused to get help from western governments which would have helped them quite a bit. But I guess that's politics for ya.

[@copter2000]

Those weak links produced more than half of my electrical appliances

[@dougjones3305]

@@copter2000 yea, theyre either around 15 years old and decent, or they're new and have the quality of a paper plate that was left outside in a storm. At one point stuff made in China wasn't horrible for the prices... But my oh my have times changed. Tofu dredge is even a common term and issue in China now... And it's pretty ridiculous

[@dougjones3305]

@@copter2000 not to mention Chinese EVs are notorious for just randomly bursting into flames as well, lol

[@xcvdffdf]

i wonder muv luv finally release humanity finally making contact with the silicon creators

[@barrybend7189]

This makes me wonder how would Macross fair in a Beta invasion. Lets go with "modern" Macross so multiple colony worlds and more advanced ships and fighters.

[@anunax]

Well, some people will still be alive in macross fleets. Im pretty sure advanced VFs like YF-29 or YF-30 would be effective against BETA and mass produced fighters like VF-171, 25 or 31 will take BETA by sheer number alone. However BETA might be immune to songs and whatever the fuck is happening while songstress' perform. Im a macross fan myself and all my votes in this hypothetical scenario are on humans and possibly other races like zentraedi or windermerians

[@barrybend7189]

​​@@anunax said "modern" so 2023 or so. What you are saying is current Macross.

[@spearsage]

The mechs in Macross are mostly aerial/space fighters though. Meanwhile the BETAs are mostly land dwellers with some (but potent) anti air. The laser class will force the valkyries to fight mostly on battroid mode. And given that they're similar to a TSF to a degree, no amount of fighters will be able to hold the line for long against such a near endless horde. That being said, if the pinpoint barrier can hold against the laser class, then they might have a good chance to win. Their only hope is probably to use multiple macross quarter and raze the battlefield with macross cannons. Lasers shouldn't be a problem for macross quarter's armor and barriers. I also completely forgot about whether the BETA can survive nuke, since a Macross fleet usually has a few artillery mechs armed with nuke cannons.

[@grimnir8872]

@@spearsage Not sure if a Spoiler, but they do eventually exterminate all the BETA on Earth, only to find BETA on other planets and I think the moon who have built super hives.

[@spearsage]

@@grimnir8872 I suppose so long as the BETA remains mostly land-based, and has no known means to be communicated with, the Macross fleet will still win. A Macross fleet will be allowed to use extreme measures, even using multiple macross cannons or other WMD available to them to raze the planet if need be (there are precedence of it). Now, if the BETAs have a strain that is space/flight capable, then that's another story. That's gonna be like taking on the Vajra without the science-magic of Sheryl and Ranka's song. The question will be whether it's the original macross where humanity has just began to travel to the far side of space, or the more modern macross where humanity has explored pretty far and spread their sphere of influence deep into the space. The former will have trouble, as they have limited resources. The latter should easily win the conflict given how far they've advanced their technology already, and how many allies available for them to call upon. Edit: I don't mind spoilers

[@Jacob_G9]

This is from a Visual Novel that started as a rom-com.

[@thealternativeproject]

@@Jacob_G9 now just Rom-depresso -G

[@generalcheese5858]

Wait Yamamoto Mech Voice this right? Wow another Great Channel To find!

[@thealternativeproject]

Without him we'd have no channel lol. Hes a great man!

[@entropy404]

Huh, I wonder if they were inspired by or inspired the scrin from C&C, the structure they were building was very similar to the threshold towers of scrin.

[@deathkeys1]

where is mankind's pride and joy of the battlefield? ARTILLERY?! sure it can, to some degree, make up for the lack of air superiority

[@thealternativeproject]

Trust me it is there,battleships,mass MLRS etc -G

[@IdkJustfigureitout-cc5il]

The S.C.P. Foundation: thats it, *remakes the genisis initiative*

[@Pilgrim_uk]

I can't help but make this comparison with a Tyranid Swarm. Honestly if this was a UK animation studio I wouldn't be surprised if they got a cease and desist order from GW.

[@anguishedcarpet]

GW would cease and desist your mother's funeral if they could. Disgustingly greedy company, never seen one with so little regard for their customers

[@SabbyNeko]

JFC, it's like if Attack on Titan got raped by SCP

[@eldritchbeer]

Huh for this kind of mech series im more impressed they didnt redevelop trench warfare

[@thealternativeproject]

Kind of? The ability to turn battlefields from rigid fixed lines to a fluid battlefield aided humanity. But there is and still is a need to dig in. -G

[@eldritchbeer]

@@thealternativeproject yup and its weird because it would be dope as fuck to see mech trenchwarfare

[@thealternativeproject]

@@eldritchbeer you kind of see it in schwarzmarken anime but apart from that its all like implied. -G

[@Turahk]

As alien as aliens will ever get in more ways than one :) cool spoiler free video!

[@thealternativeproject]

Thank you very much! We did our best for the first 3 videos to be as informatitive yet spoiler free as possible! -G

[@josephsuh525]

I'm honestly surprised no one ever think about Nuking it. LOL

[@rhadamanthys649]

Did you watch the video? It's because the Laser Class completely annihilate aircraft.

[@vlexonkol8466]

Well they did and its doesnt work. In other timeline, they use similiar thing but at that time, humanity already lost. Earth is fucked

[@Grant918Tulsa]

Look like the Sahara and dessert in Africa put up quite the barrier for those aliens.

[@matiasfpm]

In the mecha board of 4chan , various critics were made about the realism of the Laser Classes. The energy ouput showed in-universe would burn the atmosphere or provoke more destruction than anything seen... Also, Humanity using the same weapons (TSFs as a main line units) for 30 YEARS is a recipe for disaster. Did not work on the Moon, less in Earth. (Buuut, Rule of Cool. Yeah... 😂) Muv-Luv's Humanity story can be a grim dark military drama. But still, a Darwin's Award candidate for incompetence .

[@thealternativeproject]

TSFs were upgraded so the term if it aint broke dont fix it yano? Lol. And we arnt science savvy so ill leave the science alone. But id argue humanity nailed tactics really well. Aside from various other methods they dont use lol. -G

[@lelouche25]

Not sure what you mean, by using the same weapon. TSF were constantly upgraded and made better as the generations came and went.

[@matiasfpm]

@@lelouche25 better to clarify now... I refer to TSFs as a platform , which is god to deal damage to BETAs , but they cannot hold the ground, and tend to be fragile (it goes from a few smaller strains, to one fatal hit from the bigger ones and the lasers classes). Without holding grounds , and supplies being sketchy at best, no wonder humanity got his ass overrun. The way Muv luv depicts the war is like the Movie Starship Troopers: TSFs as cannon fodder, the rest of the army as useless, Navy as limited to coast bombardment, and the Orbital divers as suicidal before even touches the ground.

[@matiasfpm]

@@lelouche25 and the "weapons" upgrades are marginal at best to stop the advance, even less to change the tide .

[@aces6262]

Kinda agree with you here, at least I thought it was good but then humanity in Muv-Luv is a bit dumb of not, not deploying enough SPAAGs, relying TSFs to take brunt of everything, not mounting autocannon on main battle tanks, dummy artillery rounds etc etc. The Codex attempted to explain this but it failed to draw me in so I feel like it is a wasted potential. I can see it tried to be realistic but no, most people who rethink could probably poke a few holes.

[@lavaavalon]

considering only the name I would say it's a love comedy story with fun and cute school life and that's why I watched it a few years back .... yeah it's not that, I cannot tell you how many characters I liked died in that

[@theconclave5430]

Is there ever a conclusion to this series? Do the beta ever get defeated even at great cost? Also why doesn’t the people in this universe create a viral weapon so they can wiped out with an incredibly deadly virus?

[@thealternativeproject]

spoilers lol. the VNs do cover this to a degree otherwise its all self research until we or yamamoto make a video on it! -G

[@nicoary3677]

it's setting on alternate universe tho when humanity still recover form WW2, and most of nation still on heats of conflict.... they didn't even have a luxury like a video games since all tech and human resource goes to military after Space Race (by USSR and US) and First Lunar War, so medicine and any other object that outside the warfare has very low progess. Even humanity created a deadly virus, Beta still can learn how to avoid same outcome

[@theconclave5430]

@@nicoary3677 then if that’s the case why not obtain some beta samples and reverse engineer a retro virus even if it takes a few years then insert it into whatever controls the beta and it will produce sick and weakened and dying beta. They are a hive mind like any hive mind once you take out the original nest you kill all future generations this would technically be a military application so unless our understanding of genetics was severely halted then why not do it that way.

[@Vikeroni]

Depends what universe. In one humanity is winning and is currently in the progress of cleaning the system for BETA. Others humanity is about to be extinct with internal human wars for the last land going on while BETA is still there. other humanity is pushing back slowly but still losing a lot of people

[@theconclave5430]

@@Vikeroni so basically there are multiple timelines and not a singular time line right?

[@lolroflroflcakes]

One of the greatest weaknesses of the humans is all of their above ground structures seem to have a complete lack of foundations and can be tipped over like a sleeping cow. Of course your going to struggle against the extra-terrestrial horrors if you can’t actually build. Oh also if your solution is to seek melee combat as a matter of doctrine you are probably going to lose a few more people than you would by being reasonable.

[@thealternativeproject]

TSFs are specialised in many roles,melee is actually a sound tactic in many respects. But theres a difference. I.e pilots are so scared they dont move and get railed and die. From a resource standpoint one melee blade can save thousands of caseless rounds for assault cannons too. But each country has their own doctrines. See our TSF video! -G

[@Tyrannmon]

Who would win the beta vs the blue . Because if this humanity could develop the blue to counter the beta then the beta mite be defeated

[@thealternativeproject]

The blue?..lol -G

[@erickkisreal9398]

what blue are you talking about?

[@cooljim1376]

@@thealternativeproject From Blue Gender, they are a similar bug-like alien race of invaders. Not as threatening as the Beta imo though.

[@kernsanders3973]

@@thealternativeproject Blue Gender, highly recommend! It was definitely an inspiration to Muv Luv to a certain degree. But the series was released in 1999 so you know its good. Anime in those days had mind melting good hand drawn cell painted animation. It's one of those series where the dub VS sub debate really grinds because of how much attention the studio did that localized it. They even translated the theme songs to english with an american band and I'm on the fence till this day which one is better, the sub or the dub. But yeah if you love muv luv, you'll love Blue Gender. I bought the DVD way back and every so few years rewatch it.

[@thealternativeproject]

ill give er a squiz when i run through some of my anime list! -G

[@lanx5705]

Amazing video

[@stugiiif146]

Where are the beta from? I couldn't see it in the description. Edit: I did watch the full video, very interesting and a surprisingly unique set of creatures. After several years you'd think it'd be hard to find something original, yet here we are! Good content, and I plan to stick around for more.

[@thealternativeproject]

The animes should be listed in the description,alternatively watch our first video on the world as a whole! P.s thank you very much !! :) -G

[@Possible_Cultist]

Doors and corners.

[@patrickasplund]

So... Humanity didn't invent the rail gun in this universe? Just saying- nothing organic can survive a dumbbell made of tungsten that travels half as fast as the ISS...

[@thealternativeproject]

Its still experimental as far as we know. There was plans for XG-70 to have em but as you see in alt. -G

[@RSOxSPEC4x]

i want to cry

[@joshuagraham2843]

thus anime is a nightmare fuel than evangelion

[@thealternativeproject]

How so lol. -G

[@joshuagraham2843]

@@thealternativeproject well you see evangelion is about existencial crisis while this beta anime is like attack on titan but more nightmare fuel

[@thealternativeproject]

@@joshuagraham2843 oh i see lol. Well in regards to that..all i can say is strap yourself in because the rides just started xD -G

[@joshuagraham2843]

@@thealternativeprojectthese betas are the creepiest alien to encounter with and it look like the world are reunited with an early advanced technology but remember, the muv luv is an alternate universe were humans finally united and create early mech robots and sent to the moon no world war 1 no world war 2 no cold war its strange i liked the concept of peace nation until big giant creepy mouth monsters eating people

[@tacosaladone22one]

Man the Uighurs cannot catch a break

[@lenonoone4310]

Nice one man just getting in to muv luv VN hope nothing bad will happen I guess??

[@lelouche25]

Well....define...."bad."

[@lenonoone4310]

And now I might need a therapy session after finishing the game

[@thealternativeproject]

@@lenonoone4310 AHAHA 2 days and you need therapy ,you work fast my guy. but welcome to the dark yet "happy"? place I guess? lol - G

[@lenonoone4310]

@@thealternativeproject I might go buy Schwarzesmarken after this

[@thealternativeproject]

@@lenonoone4310 i dont think its on steam? But if you manage the japanese stuff goodluck! -G

[@2dh888]

Very nice video..

[@IshijimaKairo]

Personally I would not let them invade.

[@thealternativeproject]

H-How? Lol -G

[@dd-gl2qf]

@@thealternativeproject Just say no. They cannot legally invade your planet without your consent.

[@ZachDavis-l5m]

The first couple of minutes, I could only think of the combine from the half-life games.

[@starbladesfury2195]

Nice.

[@nonkynonk]

I wonder if low flying cruise missiles would work against the laser class, a storm shadow can fly a few meters above the ground meaning the lasers would have a few seconds to react to it ( a nuclear warhead would detonate before they could get LOS on the missile, then pound the rest to dust with bombers and artillery.

[@thealternativeproject]

Laser class attack on alot of factors,tech level being one of them,said cruise missile is on par with tanks and ground units which do get engaged. Missiles are used in massive barrages on conjunction anti laser rounds but again nukes donot work well and humanity is fighting a clean war lol. Additionally heavy laser has 40km of range and can easily attack,its just flying low and being agile is how TSFs narrowly avoid getting destroyed lol. -G

[@lelouche25]

The Laser class locks on instantly and a total of 6 seconds is all it requires for the laser to fire. Combine this with the fact a platoon can have 12 to 20, and assaulting a hive means 100s of laser and Heavy Laser class. The small laser only has 12 seconds refraction and the heavy 30.

[@nonkynonk]

@@lelouche25 say a cruise missile was flying a hair under Mach one (speed which current cruise missiles operate) at around 10 meters above the ground (current cruise missiles can do this) the height of the other beta classes would obstruct line of sight to the missile until it was right on top of them, I mean a 500 kilo warhead has got to do the trick right?

[@lelouche25]

@@nonkynonk keep in mind it could collied with a destroyer or grappler..which still does dmg to the horde but you'd wanna use a cruise middle on more vital target like Fort and laser.

[@servicerifle16]

How come this was taken down earlier?

[@lelouche25]

There was an error that needed fixing

[@thealternativeproject]

Apologies about that! As yuki stated,an error we had to fix! We try to make as nigh flawless content as possible lol. -G

[@Eric_X]

Beta is what an indian father calls his disappointment of a son