What D&D could learn from Pathfinder

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[@girtrambleington7860]

“The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.” ― Gary Gygax

[@paulschirf9259]

@@geronimobellicoso1438 Really? Did he tell you this via a séance? He died in 2008, several years before development on 5e started.

[@averagedroid3761]

@@geronimobellicoso1438 Yipes! Is there any way to get this comment removed and/or the user banned? This is a blatant lie.

[@GnomeGninja]

@@geronimobellicoso1438 you know he died before 5e was developed right????

[@graveyardshift2100]

Guys, he literally started his comment with "sounds fake"

[@CaimZheit]

"In pathfinder you get an opportunity attack if you stand up" me having traumatizing flashback of been pin on the ground by a wolf an entire fight.

[@PpAirO5]

Maybe i don't understand... but why would you get an opportunity to attack, when getting up from prone ? 🤨 Dosen't make sense, unless it's your enemy getting and opportunity of attack.

[@adelahogarth2761]

@@PpAirO5 Because you're flat on your back and you're trying to get back up on your feet in the middle of melee combat? Why exactly shouldn't that be cause for an attack of opportunity?

[@adelahogarth2761]

I've been 'trip locked' by three wolves as a sixth level sorcerer. Not fun.

[@PpAirO5]

@@adelahogarth2761.. First of all, i'm no native english speaker, so maybe i'm misunderstanding something. Second of all i've never played D&D nor Pathfinder (but starwars D6). The problem is.... Who gets an opportunity to attack ? To me it makes sense that the person/creature standing has opportunity on the prone person/creature, and not the other way around. So it's just a question if i have understood correctly or not 😊

[@gavinmagness9009]

@@PpAirO5 The person standing up gets attacked.

[@altair835]

The way you talk about this would be amazing for a dedicated podcast

[@diphyllum8180]

"D&D has never had penalties for being prone" {angry 3.5 noises}

[@diphyllum8180]

lol is this whole video just "reasons why 3.5 is better"? I mean you say "from Pathfinder" but literally Pathfinder just copied it from 3.5. This stuff was already in D&D. D&D doesn't need to "learn" it just un-forget

[@renzzero09236808024]

Yep agree, I take the ones I like from 5e coz it has some cool stiff in it but 99.99% of the rest. 3.5 is more complete for me and well thought out/designed.

[@bloodydove5718]

@@diphyllum8180 Pathfinder is just a 3.5 expansion lol, its hardly a copy. Shoot, the people who made pathfinder were some of the people that made 3.5

[@animorph17]

@@bloodydove5718 I mean, pathfinder was designed as a way to fix read-as-written nonsense rules from 3.5, and it does that job well. It's literally marketed as being compatible to the point you can use 3.5 classes/feats in pathfinder, and vice versa.

[@bloodydove5718]

@@animorph17 yeep, And thats how me and my group have been playing for years. We even recently started an Epic level campaign, which paizo really only adds the epic level stuff from 3.5 for. And when i DM, i always let people know they can pull from 3.5, just to check with me to make sure there if theres any conflicting things, that we're both clear on how it will work.

[@erinkarp6317]

Me, making my own RPG: **Frantic scribbling of notes**

[@Adam-cq2yo]

I don't want to get caught up in trying to make another RPG from the ground up. Not again. And yet, this video tempts me.

[@whitewarwolf]

Adam I understand that was involved in two already makes me want to work another rpg

[@r3dp9]

@@Adam-cq2yo I keep telling myself "hey, let's just stick with DnD5e cuz' it's simple... except I want PF1 class progression, PF2 class options, the bestiary of both, Dark Eye crit system, PF2 encumbrance, homebrewed weapon sheathing rules, DS3 weapons..."

[@ThatOneFriend93]

Hey you too?

[@SolomonCaineReaper]

I don't suppose that the !remind me bot works here, does it?

[@joshkellemen5931]

Dude, I have to say you have done an amazing job as a KZbinr. There are a ton of people in "narrate text from a source book or wiki" space for every fandom. And a lot of them suck. You are not one of those people. And of the ones that don't suck, many chase stats by putting out quick easily digestible videos with ads taking up 10% of the play. You are not one of those people. You are to dnd what Tex of Black Pants Legion is to battletech. You do the work, you dig up the old sourcebooks, and you give us the info, but you give us the info in a way that takes the lore seriously and tries to square the circle between old and new lore. You have eaten "jordan the pH is silent"'s lunch. Good on you man. Good on you for being able to make a career of this. I am always happy to see people making real value succeed.

[@jessenichols9618]

Fun fact which you probably know pathfinder is mainly d&d 3.5 edition. But pathfinder 2e is its own edition but has elements of d&d 4e which is ironic because the team split because of the game design of 4e

[@ArcNeoMasato]

As well as, a lot of what he talks about as good points to Pathfinder.... are mostly present in 4th edition. Short version, people really need to just look at 4E again and realize all the awesome stuff they missed.

[@juggalox1000]

not everything in a steaming pile is worthless

[@miloinindo]

I haven't checked out pathfinder 2e. If it's really like 4e, I won't touch it.

[@ArcNeoMasato]

@@miloinindo it has some changes for sure, but it's super crazy in the math side like 4E was in things constantly adding pluses and minuses. Puffin Forest did a video on it where he runs through just a single attack, and it actually sounded worse than anything I dealt with in 4E actually.

[@havokmusicinc]

PF 2e is a lot more like D&D 5e than it is like D&D 4e, and it's STILL closer to PF 1e/D&D 3.5e than either of those. I don't know what yall are smoking.

[@rafaelalandrade]

This was hilarious to listen to. Everything you talked about were things that D&D used to have in previous editions. Pathfinder is simply D&D 3.5 tweaked to hell and back, so when you talk about it, you're really talking about D&D, except it's previous iterations of it.

[@ArcNeoMasato]

And if he was talking about Pathfinder 2nd edition, that's very similar to D&D 4th edition. Funny enough, most "good" things I hear about PF2E are all things from 4th Ed.

[@renzzero09236808024]

Omg yes yesssss same feeling, I was like d&d should have? It already had and 5e stipped them away.

[@raywilliams6717]

The only time I even played D&D was V3. 5.... I missed something monumental :/

[@nexqabahg]

Straight up he was talkong about all this and i was like.....wtf, I've never not done those things, but then i remember that although we all play 5e in my group, we all learned on 3.5e and so we added so many hpuserules to match up to what we like. and I love pathfinder because its just a better 3.5e which i absolutely still like

[@Akbar_and_Shaa]

@@ArcNeoMasato pathfinder 2 is nothing like 4e its really what it says pathfinder 2.

[@SangoProductions213]

Note: he is talking about 5e when he says "D&D"

[@vendriksondoesthings7911]

Yeah like 80% of his changes is playing 3.5

[@marlonbrando1631]

@@vendriksondoesthings7911 At this point there are more TTRPG players that have only known DnD5e than there are people actually having played Pathfinder or DnD3.5. These people most often have never played another TTG and solely get their knowledge second or even third hand.

[@UnityDutyDestiny]

Pathfinder 1e is my all time favourite system. A few things to bring up from the video: In pathfinder, weapon groups are more unified. Swords crit more (19-20 crit range on most). Axes and maces do more crit damage (X3 on most). Then you have outliers. Some swords have an 18-20 crit range (rapier being one) and some weapons have a much higher crit damage at x4 (war pick, scythe, etc). And then there's the whole "exotic" weapon groupings that say "hey, I like where you started, let's add something special to it". That's where you get special traits to a weapon but they require special training and likely a feat. Armour. Having a "dwarven" crafted weapon doesnt really change much except for flavour. What does change it is what material it is made out of. Certain ones will give you resistances, damage reduction, lower the armour check (the amount reduced from a physical skill like stealth or climbing), and a myriad of other things. Just my two cents. Really enjoyed the video

[@benjaminjane93]

I've been reading through Pathfinder 2e and I wish we had the level of customization for our base classes as they have. I would love to see something like Archetypes be added to D&D. The sort of feat based class progression would be great for custimization.

[@zacharygadzinski3147]

Not a D&D player or a Pathfinder player, but I would like to play and DM both systems before making my own tabletop. However, I'm trying to find a part time job and attending trade school in hope of getting an IT certificate. Then after that I hope to save up for grad school.

[@supermasterball1]

The Advanced Player's Guide released just over a month ago added 40+ Archetypes and some of them look really interesting to play. Working my first character into becoming an Eldritch Archer Archetype.

[@cadis4257]

I really look forward to Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Can't wait for that game.

[@cadis4257]

@Nospam Spamisham xpac? No, its an entirely new game set in the pathfinder world.

[@pogeman2345]

I hope they put the succubus that became a good paladin in the game.

[@Sirinoeles]

As do I. It has so many expectations put apon it.

[@carloscaro9121]

@@pogeman2345 Arueshalae does not become a paladin in the pen and paper game. She *may* be redeemed to become a CG agent of Desna, the CG goddess of dreams, travel, luck, and stars. Emphasis *may*. It's not hard to botch her redemption and have her realign with Nocticula, which is hilarious when in PF2e Nocticula herself undergoes alignment change to become the CN Redeemer Queen of artists and misfits.

[@carloscaro9121]

I've played the alpha. It's solid. It also has its means to deal with the fact that WotR was easily the most mechanically FUBAR paper and pencil AP Paizo ever wrote; they have no idea how badly the Mythic rules could be broken and players really have to show restraint and let the GM spot-weld broken mechanics from time to time if they want that path to be fun.

[@Jester-86]

Mrrhexx, everything you're asking for is basically D&D 3.5.

[@kungfuskull]

Super ultra true. Been playing 3 and 3.5 since 1998, and when I first dove into 5e I was *HORRIFIED* by how utterly fucking BORING the items were. I remember spending HOURS as a kid pouring over the fluff text for thousands of items and coming up with all kinds of MacGyver ideas for combining mundane items and lusting after magic items in shops. But 5e is so... *empty*. :( it's genuinely depressing.

[@ZeliousSigma]

@@kungfuskull Couple years too early to be playing 3rd in 1998.

[@kungfuskull]

@@ZeliousSigma I'm virtually certain 3 came out in '97, and 3.5 was... 2000-01? But it was half a lifetime ago, I may be misremembering. Regardless, 3.5 was my favorite.

[@ZeliousSigma]

@@kungfuskull Nah, 3 was 2000, 3.5 was 2003.

[@kungfuskull]

@@ZeliousSigma okay, ...still not the point.

[@014matt]

While I like and play 5e, my heart belongs to Pathfinder. I just prefer the larger number of small choices that combine to make a larger picture for your character. I just love the sheer number options for character creation and tactics in combat.

[@FromAgonyToLight]

5e Lacks what the game of D&D does best: options and customization. It’s all cookie-cutter low-level shenanigans.

[@johnsnow5125]

I only ever played the two Pathfinder games, but something I learned from another content creator is that, supposedly, tabletop combat is extremely complex and convoluted in Pathfinder. Like, supposedly the game system works much better when everything is automatically calculated like in a videogame

[@014matt]

@@johnsnow5125 It's a little bit more complex, but it's not nearly as bad as the memes make it out to be. Most of the various bonuses you receive are permanent and can just be written on your sheet. By the time most characters are high enough level that there are a bunch of floating, temporary modifiers that drastically change the math you've gained enough experience, both in game and you yourself, that it's a lot easier to keep track of. It's more than 5e or most systems, but it's honestly not that bad. As long as, you know, you're paying attention. Obviously it's faster when it's being automated, but anything would be.

[@packmore9561]

​@@johnsnow5125to that extent, i HIGHLY recommend foundry VTT. it's better than roll20 for 5e and has a dev-curated module for pathfinder. as in, the devs of pathfinder maintain the foundry VTT module. it's literally the best way to play it.

[@DigitalRaptorX]

Pathfinder Kingmaker is one of the most criminally underrated games of all time. The characters, the world, and the gameplay system are all superb.

[@salimufari]

Just based on what I see in this video it looks a lot like Icewind Dale from the early 2000's. Is that fair to say?

[@miloinindo]

The tabletop campaign is amazing. After my friends and I finished the campaign, we loved it so much that we pooled our resources together and made our own video game studio. The inspiration behind Ashes of Creation was also the pathfinder kingmaker campaign. It is, imho, the best tabletop campaign ever published.

[@Carewolf]

@@salimufari Sure, but with much more to do though.

[@Offbeaten]

It was bugged to hell and back at release, so it deserved the lower ratings at that time. The game as it is now however is first class pcrpg

[@Taven03]

I totally agree! I wish there was a little more to fifth edition. Fun fact path finder is based on D&D 3.5. pathfinder second edition has moved farther away from that but it gives you an idea. D&D used to have these things! However it went to extreme simplistic way for newer players and for easier game play

[@Taven03]

@Nospam Spamisham 5e more complicated than 3.5? What are you talking about? 3.5 has a lot of little rules and complications. Lots of math add this feat minus that because of the terrain or other effects. Prestige class or alternative class. These are things in 3.5 that do not exist in 5e

[@NoESanity]

@Nospam Spamisham if you think 5e is more complicated than 3.5 you are obviously braindead. Also, your entire "history" of paizo and how pathfinder happened is completely wrong.

[@mr.whistler6114]

Oh my god this is all D&D 3.5 armory&weaponry again! Now those had so many choices to offer it was great. You didn't felt stupid for choosing your prefered playstyle instead of the obvious optimal (and mostly only) one.

[@MrAwesome352]

This video inspired me to add some race prefixes to some gear in my game. After a little brainstorming here is what I came up with. Elvan Weapons: Crit range increased by +1. Must “confirm” crits from this bonus. Elvan Armor: +2 to Initiative modifier. ½ armor weight. Dwarven Weapons: You can reroll each of the weapon’s damage dice once. If you do you have to keep the new roll. Dwarven Armor: Reduce damage taken from certain damage types by 1 point (usable once per attack). light armor [piercing], medium armor [piercing, slashing], heavy armor [piercing, slashing, bludgeoning] Gnomish Weapons: Lower weight level by one (heavy, normal, light, fineness, thrown, advantage on throw attacks) Gnomish Armor: +5ft of movement speed, Swimming, climbing, and travel exhaustion checks are made as if wearing 1 size smaller armor.

[@arykaas]

.... Everything I heard basically translated to "What D&D *5E* could learn from *D&D 3.5* " :)

[@carloscaro9121]

Not exactly, as PFRPG 1e did tweak a lot, but it was a tweak nonetheless. When you utterly alienate the fanbase with 4e, someone else will eat your lunch.

[@mariogomez8146]

3.75

[@nos4r2zod]

@@carloscaro9121 yeah but almost everything he talked about in the video is there in 3.5, untweaked by PFRPG 1e

[@nijimbagao7090]

Rhexx you are my suscription ever!!! I suscribed more than a year ago because i noticed all your videos seem cool to me 🙌

[@lacyinmon1004]

I have been playing D & D since I was a child in the 80's

[@luciferblue6503]

no u

[@James-py4je]

IMPRESSIVE

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

Amazing. D&D? Basic, expert, companion, master and immortals? I loved that part. When we jumped to AD&D it felt sad, I kept using the Lore from previous boxes. AD&D 2E was our last. We just kept using the rules we had. Later we moved on to other games (from LOTR to ciberpunk/shadowrun or the world of darkness) but the old D&D sets were always there. It still is my favourite RPG.

[@thesonofdormammu5475]

@@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 I loved the 5 original D&D box sets. We made the jump to AD&D when my mom bought a bunch of stuff from a coworker who was getting out of the game. We made the jump and never looked back, we liked the more "adult" feel of the more advanced rules. But I did miss the Immortals rules, those were cool.

[@iankinnell5643]

I'm an old school 2and edition player but play 5e aswell

[@izaiahsundquist6877]

This is a perfect time to ask for lore on pathfinder and/or Starfinder goblins. Also, I found Pathfinder to be a less complicated 3.5 with more options, although that could just be me. Edit: I love your ideas because the lack of variety of options is what is keeping from playing 5e.

[@riobux3018]

Pathfinder 1st/2nd Goblins lore for those interested: So goblins are these condensed power-kegs of chaos and evil. They love setting fire to things, hate words (literacy is a good way to be set on fire by your own tribe) and hate dogs (hence their favoured sword: Dogslicer). They also have a longer version of this called a Horsechopper, which does what it says on the tin. They live for fun, which tends to be rooted in their senseless violence. However, they have been known to get up to other senseless games like doing rodeo on a piglet, consume slugs to prove they can keep them down or just trying to steal fireworks (see: We Be Goblins pregen, highly recommend!). However, how they became a core race in Pathfinder 2nd is a stranger tale. Despite their animosity with humans due to things like the Goblinblood Wars, a nation called Lastwall recruited a few of the more sane ones. However, Lastwall got bombed thanks to the rise of a lich called Tar-Baphon, and in the carnage the leader of the Lastwall Knights only escaped due to a small group of goblins. They travelled back to the main city in the Inner Sea: Absalom, a huge megapolitan city that accepts all walks of life as long as they follow the law. However, goblins with their Goblinblood Wars and chaotic evil reputation tended to be shot on sight. However, what with saving the head knight of the paladin order that is Lastwall, attitudes changed and now goblins are welcome in the city as long as they don't cause trouble (even if their chaotic tendencies often lead to trouble accidentally). So they became core. ...Or Paizo made them core because they kind of became a hell of a mascot of the company thanks to things like the We Be Goblins series where you play some of the small bundles of insanity.

[@mohammedalshirawi7584]

Not quiet accurate. 3.5 has classes with diverse mechanics. Eg. Tome of magic, Tome of battle, 3.5 warlocks, dragon magic, etc... pathfinder is more streamlined with better combat manuever rules like grapple trip etc... also more consistent core setting.

[@Xiphosedoesmc]

Riobux in the pathfinder society adventure (we be goblins 4 i think) the goblin tribes unite under the bannerments of absolom, meaning they are *slowly* integrating into society. They are becoming more civil, but still chaotic

[@riobux3018]

@@Xiphosedoesmc At the risk of being pedantic, the We Be Goblins series are not Pathfinder Society Adventures (there are specific books designed with that in mind, We Be Goblins is sanctioned which is not quite the same). That said, while I admit I thought you were wrong (I remembered the story of the original four goblins of the We Be Goblins series, and We B4 Goblins is a prequel adventure of them), there is actually a Playtest adventure called We Be Heroes? which let's you play as a different group of goblins that I think does loosely what you're describing.

[@Elmithian]

@@Xiphosedoesmc Isn't that because like in 3.5, goblins have insane level of adaptability?

[@persath]

New more accurate tittle "What 5E could learn from 3.5"

[@kungfuskull]

Very true.

[@Caitlin_TheGreat]

1. Opportunity Attacks from standing up? Yeah, I remember that from 3.5 E (what Pathfinder is based on). I think the reduction in penalties for being prone in 5E is because it became rather abused in most 3.5 games I played, and could easily lead to a failure spiral if you're fighting something that could just keep knocking you prone. And in 5E prone still gives you disadvantage on attacks and melee attacks against you gain advantage. So it's not nothing, especially if several things get to attack you before you can stand up. And it costs you half your movement to stand. So if used intelligently, knocking someone prone can still be quite impactful. 2. Magical Items were basically built into 4E level progression. If a character doesn't have X amount of magical items at Y power level, they are now definitely underpowered for the level. Initially this seemed fine, but it meant that magic items became sort of meaningless in 4E. You'd be tripping over them by level 10 and it cheapened the world. They weren't special, just something you were "owed" for gaining a level. I like that they are now quite uncommon in 5E -- that you shouldn't be able to just buy them by walking into magic-Walmart, and any one of them might require a significant quest if not a full fledged campaign to acquire. Unfortunately, some DMs can't help themselves and will toss out magic items like candy in the hopes of making players like them... or like the game. And it winds up just ruining things. Besides that, having magic items remain rare means there's less extraneous bullsh*t to keep track of, so it's easier to play your character and focus on the roleplaying. 3. Armor. Again, this is just how it used to be in 3.5E, you had just a boatload of armor stuff going on, there were special feats you'd need to take and all sorts of penalties and bonuses. I got tired of it. I think having the simplified armor of 5E is the way to go. Especially since 5E is based on the bounded accuracy design. Meaning that you never completely outgrow enemies, and you shouldn't have a totally zero percent chance of hitting something. I like this because it keeps things viable for a lot longer. I'm of the mind that an actual lion (for instance) should always be a threat, no matter what. It shouldn't become a creature you are completely immune to even if you eventually become skilled enough that it's not so scary to fight one by yourself. I actually think health should have been narrowed as well, so that the early level stuff might become less of a threat, but could still kill you if you are stupid or unlucky even at higher levels. For me, that makes for a more believable world. 4. And as for money, I actually am of the mind that I prefer it being relegated largely to roleplaying. I've played a number of different systems, and have concluded that "shopping" isn't particularly fun in an RPG. And games where it's implemented around having lots of gear to buy, gold just winds up being a delayed levelling up system and can unbalance a game just the same as over-leveling characters. But if you just scored an obscene amount of gold, that might well put a target on your head in a roleplay-focused game. Or put you in a position to challenge some barons, lords, or even the king. And I think D&D DMs need to be less reliant on modules to hold their hands and more willing to actually engage with the players at the table by having some actual custom stuff happen. If I wanted a rote experience, I could just play a video game. It's cool that you like Pathfinder. But I've gone the other way over the course of my time enjoying pencil & paper RPGs, and I started with the predecessor to Pathfinder, D&D 3.5E. I want the system to get out of the way as much as possible rather than confining play. 5E was a step in the right direction, though I think it could certainly go a bit further. *Dungeon World* is a pretty fantastic approach. And I really, really like the flexibility of *Fate Core* and *Fate Accelerated* for allowing just a ton more creativity. And when I do run a 5E game, I will certainly allow for bending the rules if it makes sense in-the-moment, in-the-world for things to happen differently than if we rigidly obeyed RAW. I think it's best to err on the side of the shared fiction than on the side of "The Rules". Just so long as you don't completely trash the challenge. Anyway, I'm fully in support of people trying out systems other than Dungeons and Dragons. There are some really great alternative systems out there which can open up your eyes to different ways of playing. I got a far better grasp of role playing when my friends and I played the early 2000s version of World of Darkness (not Vampire, though) and I realized D&D style combat was actually one of the least interesting ways to engage in the fictional world -- I brought that concept back to D&D when we got to playing it again. I also got to understand the importance of pacing a story, of putting character development (both player and critical NPCs) first rather than focusing on a series of combat encounters and dungeon traps. I've also learned that D&D (even the glorious 5E) doesn't do nontraditional settings very well. Other systems are better for modern stuff or futuristic or space stuff. Or horror. Or superheroes. I just think, the best advice any RPG player could be given is to try other systems. Even if just one or two others. Though, I still consider Pathfinder as just off-brand D&D and it's really difficult to think of it otherwise when I've seen how very different other game systems are, while Pathfinder hews superclose to a mix of 3.5E, 4E and a touch of 5E.

[@SetArk]

Hehe. One thing i must say, is that it seems that your problem is more with the DnD 5e. Almost all the things you pointed out, were present in 3.5! 5e, tunned down options and decisionmaking on builds.

[@MasterVolton]

Omg, remember when you wanted something like a scroll or a +1axe in 3.5 and instead of hopong the DM would be kind you would just *make it your own dam self*. 5e stole a lot of char decisions quoting "its for your own good". Whereas 3.5 was like "heres some scissors, first one round the garden wins!"

[@Liberaven]

Probably because pathfinder was based on 3.5. Pretty sure the video was always meant to be talking about pathfinder vs D&D 5e

[@MasterVolton]

@CommandoDude the worst part i can see is most of the game is hidden behind "Variant Rule" clauses (HumanV, Feats, flanking, dragon's spellcasting, multiclassing, etc) that WotC decided because they are "variants" WotC dont need to balance them so they offload the task to the DMs. Im just gonna stick with my AD&D2 and D&D3.5 for my D&D brand TTRPG needs.

[@ryanadshead4809]

@CommandoDude i agree. I like the character creation/background/race system in pathfinder because they can be so different. And any skill hoarders (bards etc) almost make all other character skills useless in 5e. Combat however is way more stream lined.

[@skynightokc2811]

Don't ever stop. I started in 1977 and I'm still GMing to this day at age 64.

[@khornetto]

So, basically, what D&D could learn from itself in older editions...?

[@xiconp1993]

maybe not. there is a reason they took all that shit away from the game in the first place.

[@tylerlankford3633]

Yaaaaaaas, when he was talking about armor. I was thinking about the arms and equipment guide the entire time. As for the weapons I think each of the Complete * series added something new either in poisons or oils for weapons, or even unique styles for wielding them. Ie: Complete Adventurer and Complete Rogue.

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

@@xiconp1993 To sell a new set of rules to players? And guess what you apply the new rules to old campaigns or adventures and voila, more books to resell.

[@talesoffallenangels]

@@xiconp1993 to make it easier, soother, and more casual. but they overshooted. that's why people still play 3.5 and pathfinder instead of fully migrating. 5e is good for new player, and a lot of them came because popuarity that came with critical role. also, from d&d youtubers, as if they remain in 3.5 there's no way wizards of the coast will patrocinate them. if they want to make a living, they need to suport the new thing, so it becomes the more visible. but the greatest part of old players did not have changed to the new edition.

[@Snyperwolf91]

@@talesoffallenangels Especially the monsters. They sadly nerfed way too much that encounters/monsters must be adjusted to even out or fit the danger that it shouldnt be solved with combat only in mind. And what i almost hate is the customisation being rather barebones or flatout not worth it (im talking about the underwhelming feats too) . Some classes were utterly broken to a point which known mythical beast that were fearful and tough to fight are now pushovers . (Im looking at you monks and assassin sub class ) This gaves me an extra headache by deciding which monsters/antagonists i wanna put in the game or should i buff up to make it an formidable thread/foe without coming out as faking its stats out. I like 5e and it is my first DnD -experience and im not hating it or in fact im loving it BUT to buff the monsters yourself up and homebrewing many parts to have more customisation shows the huge flaws of 5e . But thank god for the homebrew-friendly aspects of the system.

[@daved.8483]

This is my opinion: Pathfinder has a system for everything, 5e COVERS EVERYTHING with one very open system. simplicity, makes the game more fluid, by killing metagaming in favor of a more relaxed experience, which focuses on fun then numbers. You do not let the numbers represent your character as much. Also, an open and simple system, allows more room for expansions and tailored game experince ( darker doungeon, grim hollow, kobold press... etc.). Speaking of Kobold Press check their weapons and armor flavouring system. With less involving mechanics, role play assumes a leading role. It becomes more about what you want to play, then what you want to build... If you want to implement something into your 5e campaign, you just do it. Do like to build your character, or to simply play you character? Overall is not so black and white, but that's what I feel are the terminator lines, between the two systems. This is my 2c opinion. Great job with this video, love it.

[@whiterabbit75]

_Does_ it "cover everything"? I was playing last Sunday with my group, and we got caught by a roper. The DM could find only one thing we could do in that situation; try to break free. In Pathfinder (as well as 3.x), we had a plethora of options. We could attack with natural or light weapons, try to break free, cast a spell with no somatic components, or take any action that doesn't require two hands.

[@kasperager2050]

@@whiterabbit75 Looking at the Roper and the restrained and grappled conditions, you get disadvantage on a lot of rolls and movement is reduced to 0, other than that you can still perform every action in addition to breaking free.

[@whiterabbit75]

@@kasperager2050 Breaking free is the only action we could find, so... yeah.

[@lord_wyran]

killing metagaming* care to explain? cause in 5e metagaming is crazier than ever. plus in 5e, your character never gets better. in pathfinder my monk can go from semi-competent unarmed striker to a demi-god of stealth and acrobatic prowess the likes of which are only spoken of in legend while dolling out attacks faster than the human eye can see. in 5e....i can maybe run along a wall or flurry a few times before i run out of ki and then just keep punching people because i have no other abilities. yay.

[@daved.8483]

@@lord_wyran "metagaming is crazier then ever in 5e" that's simply not true. "You character doesn't get better in 5e", that's simply not true. What you describe as getting better, is just numbers and stats... 5e is designed to make decisions and role play the main part of your character growing. Sometimes less is actually more. Why pathfinder 2e is getting more traction? Maybe its because the system has been simplified? Exemple: pathfinder has a section dedicated to mounting which is very detailed. In 5e it called acrobatic role... you just describe what your character is doing and the dm decides dc... then based on the results, the dm describes it. How is this metagaming? One role and it's all role play afterwards. I mean this is reported, not my opinion. Then if you like pathfinder by all means, play it. I do not think is fair to say pathfinder doese thing better... as most of things that players like are part of the original d&d contents. You like pathfinder, you should play it, claiming it's better then 5e... that's just your opinion. By the way I'm not aggressive, but texting is impersonal, so do jot get offended as it's not my intention to do so.🙂👍

[@floydvaughan3607]

I would love to see you do a “what needs fixed” series. Keep up the awesome work!

[@JaredaSohn]

I double that proposal!

[@garyxgaming6616]

"You can't have an RPG without levels" *Angry RuneQuest noises*

[@Ellie-Angela]

Every single Onyx Path TTRPGs say hello too.

[@RoninRaconteur]

White Wolf, Traveller, Shadowrun, Cyberpunk, etc. Guess they're not RPG's? Wrong. But it's an opinion I suppose.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@RoninRaconteur Agreed. I loved Shadowrun as it was a very well though out and balanced game that seemed very realistic, compared to level based games with hit points.

[@DiploRaptor]

Angry Wild Talents, Angry Mutants and Masterminds heck that is such a stupid line it shows he has no real understanding of RPGs or gaming. And secondly this entire video is him rambling about make 5e more like 3.5 D&D do some research.

[@kenawyn]

A better quote would be: "You can't have an RPG without character progression."

[@elgatochurro]

"why would you wanna use a dagger or something vs a rapier as a dex melee?" you can throw daggers up to 20/60 feet and theyre light enough for dual wielding.

[@lord_wyran]

you throw your daggers, congrats, now youre disarmed and the (literally anything with more than 10 HP) barrels down on you and roflstomps your face.

[@stevecooper6578]

@@lord_wyran Indeed they will turn your brain into a meat splat on the dirt road but this assumes you're not some mad man Rogue with daggers all strapped to your body under your cloak like a absolute loonie They're all worth 2 Gold each so you could be a maniac with 25 knives on you for 50GP

[@boianko]

@@stevecooper6578 still doesn't beat a rapier and a bow for when they're far away

[@Xhalph]

@@boianko At least in Pathfinder, you may find yourself in a position where you're making a full attack against an enemy in melee, you finish them off, and have an attack or two remaining. With a rapier, those attacks are wasted; a dagger wielder could throw a dagger (or two, if he has the Quick Draw feat) at an enemy at range who's bearing down on the party sorcerer. At best, the rapier wielder could attack with a bow if he also had the Quick Draw feat *and* he dropped his rapier before readying his bow. Also, daggers can deal both piercing and slashing damage, while rapiers only deal piercing damage; that'll factor in if you're fighting, say, zombies. And daggers are easier to conceal on your person.

[@gregchavez9300]

I think these are all very cool things that I would now like to start trying to incorporate in my games. However, I will say, the beauty of 5e is the fact that it is stupid simple, as you said. This also means that homebrewing is also simple for fifth edition. My groups, players and DM's alike, have sort of found a fine point where we are able to craft our own things for our adventures. As another note about gold, cuz your right that there isn't too much to spend on, is that mounts are super cool. Like if you do the traveling and kind of have the adventure aspect lean slightly more on traveling, mounts become really awesome. On the note you mentioned about creative players, one of my groups, I was the DM, they bought an elephant and the wizard made an aging potion to bring it to adult age. Then they essentially turned the elephant into a siege engine. It was pretty dope tbh.

[@Wolfphototech]

*Cool .* *I would like more Pathfinder 1e and Pathfinder 2e videos .* *Edit : Note : 90% of the stuff MR. Rhexx wants in D&D 5e , was in previous editions .*

[@riobux3018]

It'd be nice to have more KZbinrs cover Pathfinder 2e content...

[@caseykoons]

All the "Pathfinder is just DnD 3.5 talk here" really understates the incredible depth and immense resources available to Pathfinder players today. With over 40 playable races to choose from, over 40 classes to chose from, with many different archetypes to chose for each race/class, there is an incredible amount of options for creating really interesting unique characters. I want to offer props to Paizo here for all that they added to DnD 3.5 to make an incredible game system I enjoy very much.

[@starbomber]

As a man who has played 3.5, 4e, Pathfinder, Starfinder, and 5e. 5e is quite easy on the DM. Starfinder is also very cool but I don't like how items scale, same with Pathfinder. Those games don't have bounded armor class, so you can have enemies who are very hard to hit, and PCs can have rediculous armor ratings later on. This can happen in 5e but it's not as common.

[@Sethoshini95]

Also i should point out: in PF hen you are grappled you can only use one-handed or light weapons to attack you opponets (because you cannot do actions that require both hands), so having at least a backup knife is an extremly useful thing even for the barbarian

[@DracosDiabolis]

From playing 2nd Ad&d, then rolling into 3.0 & 3.5 and with the available customizability to your character. It felt like the shackles were removed. Pathfinder keeps that going when D&D went to 5E and the shackles where put back on. Just my opinion

[@dragonkin877]

Agreed

[@bloodydove5718]

and thats exactly why i have a hard time getting into 5e, what i want to do just isnt a thing most of the time

[@McGrewer]

Even 4e had more customization and ability to make unique characters.

[@DracosDiabolis]

@@bloodydove5718 yep yep. I had to remove 3.5 out of it. And learn it for just what it is. And long to 3.5 being back. Lol

[@DracosDiabolis]

@@McGrewer my group skipped 4th. Lol we were having too much fun with 3.5 at the time 4th launched. By the time we finished the campaigns we were all in, Wotc was gearing up for 5th. Lol we still played third until we understood the rules better. And we felt it was very lack luster.

[@ajuc005]

I started playing Pathfinder 1st edition after only playing 5e for a year (and some other non-D&D related systems ages ago). I love how many options there is.

[@Akbar_and_Shaa]

YESSSSSS MY FAVORITE TOPICS MAKING DISCUSSING AND THEORIZING POTENTIAL AMALGAMATIONS OF DIFFERENT TABLETOP SYSTEMS!

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Then you should check out Agon, Five Torches, Electric Bastionland and Mork Bork. Also, possibly, Goblinville. As well as Ironsworn.

[@Hero-yu4om]

I'm making a dnd 5e and PF 2e hybrid system focused mostly on equipment and specializing in them. And I literally did what Rex suggested: more choices when idle, a few options you've already picked are available in a fight

[@matthewbulmer533]

I do think that having some different options available would add more to the game. Weapons that add +1 to attack or damage, different effects, different modifiers. 3.5 used to have things like that. The mighty Bow that allowed use of strength to add a little extra damage. Just variety that can add some spice without breaking the game.

[@dungeonsdoodads4306]

This video makes me feel old...

[@bryal7811]

Pathfinder 1e is the definitive edition of "D&D" for me. Everything that they changed and adjusted from previous editions of D&D was for the better and honestly polished what wotc couldn't. If I could bring some things over from P1e, it would be Archtypes for classes,(Variety where it counts) Haunts (better traps) and the strict formulas for how creatures level up. HD, saves, BAB and skills etc. all had a couple ways of progressing and each creature type was married to that certain progression. Their "Features and Traits" In short for the people that know about LA (level adjustment) it was a much more refined and improved version of that. Aberrations | Animals | Constructs | Dragons | Fey | Humanoids | Magical Beasts | Monstrous Humanoids | Oozes | Outsiders | Plants | Undead | Vermin "Animal" monsters have decent HD (D8s), they have good Fort and Ref saves but poor will and their BAB was average. They had access to Acrobatics, Climb, Fly, Perception, Stealth, and Swim as their core skills and each animal could put points into. (A jaguar might take stealth and climb while a robin would take fly and perception) Why was this important? It gave me, as a DM, the bare skeleton to work from. If I wanted to create unique animals for a homebrew world, I know the base that would keep them aesthetically in line with the rest of the games' creatures as well as its balance. Humanoid monsters could also take class levels and because of their natural progression I could figure out their starting point and judge from there how and what to level them up with. It also means that if an ogre loses his club, (something set to his stat sheet in 5e) I still know what his attacks are going to be without making things up on the spot. (Unarmed strike, or even his back up weapon 3/4 BAB +str)

[@talesoffallenangels]

@Nospam Spamisham why... if you already have pathfinder

[@alexandriamason2355]

Those things were already in 3.5 in the core rulebook MM chapter 4 and 5 pg 290-302 pathfinder just took your money for a game they didn't make, then proceeded to fill up with needless extra garbage

[@bryal7811]

@@alexandriamason2355 Optimization is the word you're looking for. Taking a bloated system like 3.5 and streamlining it into what fans wanted when 4e dropped. Oh and more positives for Pathfinder that you can enjoy!- The adventure paths that Pathfinder writes are above and beyond anything that D&D current releases.

[@alexandriamason2355]

@@bryal7811 now you're contradicting yourself. If 3.5 is bloated, and pathfinder is 3.5 with even more stuff added, then pathfinder is one mint away from exploding.

[@talesoffallenangels]

@@alexandriamason2355 I really use pathfinder and 3.5 interchangeably.

[@mrweedmon3019]

Came for Skyrim all those years ago, and am now here for the D&D, keep it up man!

[@samuelhicks9243]

Seems the main reason you never get a truly all encompassing game is one brand being to proud to borrow mechanics from a competitor

[@miloinindo]

Not true at all. Pathfinder is D&D 3.5 + some balance fixes. It's the spiritual successor to 3.5. D&D went a much different route with 4th edition, making a rather gimmicky system that felt mostly like a video game rather than traditional tabletop. 5th edition was basically a return to the basics but with a more stream lined, simplified mechanical system that also significantly flattened the power curve. These systems all borrow from each other.

[@epser5842]

Well if someone stole all the mechanics from something else it would be flamed to all hell

[@morior]

This is why linux will always suck too lol

[@alexandriamason2355]

But that is all pathfinder is, the open gaming license of D&D 3.5 with trivial changes. Most people if you switched from playing one to the other mid game would not be able to tell the difference.

[@miloinindo]

​@@alexandriamason2355 nah, not true. There were mechanical flaws in 3.5 that Pathfinder addressed. Pathfinder is MUCH more balanced than 3.5 is. An easy example would be spell casters. At level 1, a wizard in 3.5 is basically useless. You get 2 weak casts and then you are down to being less useful than a kobold. For the first 4 levels, wizards just suck. Bad. Borderline useless. This all changes with level 5 and access to third level spells. Suddenly, you can fly, cast AOE's that deal massive damage, etc. As time goes on, the power gap between the pure casters and all other classes grows exponentially. At higher level, the rest of the party is just playing support for the only characters that matter: the casters. In pathfinder, they changed that. Want to have the highest damage output possible? Well, there's no clear cut winner there any more. You can do a rogue focused on sneak attacks. You can do a bow fighter and stack bonuses to damage. You can do a raging barbarian. They all are completely valid options and none is truly better than the other. The last damage based character I made was a strength based orc sorcerer that focused on developing his draconic bloodline and maxing out the dragon disciple prestige class, allowing him to get claw, claw, bite, tail, wing, wing with an extra hasted attack (bite). By the end, he had an unbuffed strength of 28 with 7 attacks, which equipment knocked up to 34. The actual damage output in a single turn was lower than the damage output I had achieved with a simpler elf bow fighter BUT he also had decent utility with spells. There's no "optimal" character. The disadvantage to pathfinder was also the complexity. If you are a new player, you'd get drowned in the rules. You could spend years getting accustomed to the system and mechanics to the point that you could actually make characters optimally. Until then, you may struggle to make a functional character on your own. An unoptimized character will simply be outshone by the stronger characters. An unoptimized fighter at level 15 will maybe kick out an average of about 20 damage in a turn, only to have an optimized raging barbarian come charging in and hit for 100 average damage. If you think the changes made were trivial, you don't really understand the mechanics that well. The core system was the same, true, but the actual mechanical changes were far from trivial.

[@MsTanvar]

I actually grew up on D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder table top games. I didn't like D&D 4 or 5 because a lot of the choice was taken out. Though since then I have seen how streamlining things did work very well in a very real respect. Building a good 3.5 character could take me over a week. But I also felt a little like an accomplished chemist, or crafter when I was finished.

[@TwinSteel]

Sounds like you’re yearning for the good old days is 3.5, my friend - customization was king in those days

[@sarcasmismyfavoriteemotion4180]

That's what Pathfinder is, lol. It was created as a sort of fix/expansion upon 3.5e, when a lot of people weren't happy with 4e.

[@gelbadayah.sneach579]

In most of the games I've run or played in, building a base of operations or buying a ship tends to be the most common way to shed all that extra gold but yeah, I agree there should be some other fun things for characters who are more on the move or who don't really care about having a stronghold. Some games (like Star Wars Saga Edition) have some really in-depth systems for customizing specific items. Sure you can tweak the stats of a set of armor, but you can also integrate equipment into it (like a hidden dart launcher in the vambrace), adapt it for different climates (ventilated plate for hot climates or layered hide for the cold), or even turn it into a piece of functional art (like an embroidered gambeson coat.) Item customization can be just as much fun as building a stronghold! You were talking about armor from different races having different properties. The 2nd Edition Arms & Equipment guide started to move in this direction when they looked at elven chain mail and asked how the other races build their signature armor. I always wanted to see more of this. For example, gnome armor was leather with so many pockets and tool hangers that it counted as studded leather when fully stocked with a complete tinker's tool set. These are gnomes, though! What other clever little devices and gadgets could be hidden in the layers and folds of that armor? Weapons could go the same way. Sure gnomes have the gnomish war pick, but what about something like motor-driven chain blades or repeating crossbows? When you think abouit elves what do you think of; is it a suit of armor? Not me; I think of wielding an elegant sword or firing a bow with superhuman precision. We all know how elven chain works, but I want to hear about elven swords and bows! Another thing I was thinking of was the fact that the wizard class has extensive things money can go into. Aside from the cost of material components that all casting classes have, they have the cost of learning and researching new spells. The balance of having a potential limitless spell repertoire is that it takes gold to learn anything beyond what you gain each level. Why not give other classes opportunities to spend gold on their class abilities? A cleric of Oghma who donates a large sum to their temple may receive a number of one-time bonuses to intelligence-based rolls based on how much money they donated. A rogue could spend money to improve their connections for the next month through a series of bribes and kickbacks. A fighter could have their blades honed and armor fittings oiled to grant a temporary bonus to damage and reduction to armor check penalties until they've landed or received a set number of attacks. There are so many things like this that you could do for all the classes.

[@frostdragonking5336]

OT: Have you removed the Elder brain video? because i can't find it. Unless i am imagining things or actually missed it.

[@Cheonging101]

*Illithid slurping noises* There never was an Elder Brain video. Get back to whatever you were doing.

[@frostdragonking5336]

​@@Cheonging101 Yes master...

[@mitchc6059]

In 3.5 spellcasting,standing up ,drinking a potion or manipulating an item in melee range all triggered attacks of opportunity. For what ever reason they moved away from that in 5e.

[@nerdbyrd7816]

“You can’t have an RPG without leveling up” Monster Hunter: “Wrong”

[@DerpyLaron]

You hunter rank is literally your level. Giving you access to more monsters that give you access to better stuff to get a higher rank.

[@whiterabbit75]

I think you meant to say, "Hero System, White Wolf, and about a dozen others."

[@capricioushighblood4055]

I'm very glad I clicked on this video, since i'm currently working on my own ttrpg fantasy system and you touched on the issue of only 1 stat mattering for defense. One of the main points of the system i'm making is splitting defense into 2 stats, Dodge Rating (your ability to dodge attacks) and Armor Rating (flat damage reduction against physical attacks).

[@30noir]

Pathfinder already had ac split in to touch and flat-footed components.

[@capricioushighblood4055]

30noir wouldn’t that just be slight augmentation? And not just a new defensive stat

[@sannamy3132]

@@capricioushighblood4055 technically saving throws are defensive stats too.

[@capricioushighblood4055]

@@sannamy3132 I wouldn't say it's the same kind of defensive stat, since a saving throw is a defensive roll, not a stat itself.

[@sannamy3132]

@@capricioushighblood4055 D&D always had alternative rules (in the unhearted arcana o dragon magazines) for rolling AC instead of using the flat 10... you can do the oposite with saving throws,and make them an automatic 10.. and easy as that you get 4 defensive stats. ^_^

[@thegamerfromskyrim]

I agree with a lot fow hat you said, In my eye however adding more complexity to a system isn't aways a bad thing, yes players may take longer with more options but once you've play a system like shadowrun or pathfinder you learn whats the most useful for what you are dealing with, that's not to say those system are the best or really any system is. I like to think of DND 5e like Skyrim it removed a lot of things from the older games to make the game more ez for new people but it lacks a lot of things that bad the older ones more enjoyable

[@regoso8580]

Pathfinder 1e is just the fuckin best

[@warpcore9681]

Anyone remember GAMMA WORLD?

[@ryderma1]

I remember it, still have the Box set and a few adventures😁 also played Star Frontiers and of course BECMI 😁

[@hi123452008]

Yeah, I remember it... don't think I want to play with that ruleset again.

[@liondovegm]

"So I rolled a jellyfish with gorilla arms and super intelligence"

[@Ulfhrim]

Pathfinder 1e is D&D 3.75. When 3.5 went to 4e, a 3pp stayed with 3.5 but released a more balanced version.

[@josephdewar4164]

Pathfinder 1e is pretty much the exact same game as D&D 3.5, I'm surprised you've never played the earlier editions of D&D considering how much you seem to know about it in your other videos.

[@Bananapup]

I really enjoy these no scripted just off the top videos. Keep em comin:)

[@Kuwaiden]

I definitely felt that 5th ed gold problem. If I level up players at the end of sessions too often, it doesn't let players experience the challenges of their level enough If I give out magical items too often, it feels like I need to ramp up the scale of encounters a lot more But if I give out gold, then nothing happens Have a frequent magic item shop definitely feels like the easiest solution for 5th ed in its current state

[@skullcruncher76]

Mr. Rhexx you always know what your talking about and why your talking about it and you always make such good points. Your armor point is EXACTLY why I homebrew armor and shops.

[@matthewvillanueva4420]

4:38 ahh... yes... Personally, I solve this issue by doing this: Wolves are hungry, so they dont really want to kill the entire party; they just want to like drag one or two people outta there and consume them. So they take down one person to prone, one minor wolf then goes around, entering and exiting the ranges of the party, hoping to trigger attacks of opportunities from everyone. Upon success, the party loses their reaction, which is the perfect time for another wolf to grapple the prone target and proceed to drag the person away from the group. All the wolves then focus on beating up that one party member to unconsciousness, getting advantage because of the member's proned condition. Due to being grappled, the party member will fid it difficult to run or move on its turn, which gives more time for the wolves to knock said party member unconscious; once unconscious, the wolves just carry that party member on their back and run away.. Bam! Wolf tactics xD 30:16 Hm... Good idea, how would do it personally in 5e is to make the weapons slightly different, likely with slightly different bonuses, but nothing as crazy as sayyy critting a lot more How I would go about it is this: Sayyy shortswords are weapons that have less of a disadvantage whenn squeezing through a space, Maybe something about how it only gets -1 instead of an outright disadvantage or something similar? Daggers gain a slight + bonus to attack against prone creatures that are in heavy armor? If not, perhaps a slight damage increase? Basically makes it such that the best way to handle armored opponents is to pin them in the ground and put a dagger through the chinks of their armor. 32:01 They arent excited about spending gold to purchase more elephants? SMH SMH

[@metalbat8414]

Whats... with... the... ellipsis...it's...really... dumb...and... makes...it...harder...to...read...

[@matthewvillanueva4420]

@@metalbat8414 sorry bout that, habits I use ellipsis in areas where I would usually pause in real life

[@gufosufo337]

why do you have the massive space every few words?

[@metalbat8414]

@@gufosufo337 that's...the...point...are...you...thick?...

[@metalbat8414]

@@matthewvillanueva4420 Igy it's just weird way to talk but also a super bad way to write. Sorry if that's harsh just pauses are easily just a full stop rather than "..."

[@DolkkarToyznstuff]

You make many great points in this video. Thank you for taking the time.

[@ryderma1]

MR. Rhexx, have you ever checked out BECMI edition D&D? Building strongholds and ruling lands was a thing and also researching and making magic items. They also had the paths to Immortality. The Characters were a lot weaker, but the items were stronger. Seemed to me it gave you more to strive for. If nothing else you might like the stronghold stuff to incorporate into your games.

[@wuzillah]

I'm in the midst of building my world and I'm now inspired to expand my crafting system for armour and weapons. Thanks for the random inspiration!

[@30noir]

1st ed Pathfinder is the sh!t.

[@carlosn9080]

The good shit

[@allanon64king10]

indeed

[@McGrewer]

Thank you for your childish, unhelpful, and useless opinion.

[@allanon64king10]

@@McGrewer the hell is your damage bud?

[@carlosn9080]

@@McGrewer uuuuuu... dramaaaa

[@chaosheaven23]

I rest totally opposite of the thinking behind 5e. The more intricate the system is, the more variation you see in each character. Customization has always been an issue to me in 5e, and it stems from the simplicity in it's design. Mind you I know creativity makes for unique backstories and personalities, but I love Pathfinder's ability to let the mechanics reflect the uniqueness of the character. 5e isn't bad, in my opinion, but having started in Pathfinder I find the design excessively simple. Call it gatekeeping, but I like playing Pathfinder and knowing it took a certain degree of commitment and competence to learn the system and play, because I don't really get much enjoyment from "casual" gameplay.

[@goldenfloof5469]

Good for you, I share that sentiment, however I exclusively play 5e nowadays because I had to introduce all my friends to it, and they prefer the more casual play. I tried introducing pathfinder to them, but they didn't take, so after my old group fell out and my casual friends were all that was left, I had no choice to and had to stick to 5e since they prefer the more simple mechanics. Also, I wouldn't call it gatekeeping as long as you don't belittle those who prefer it more casually.

[@nox9856]

I agree somewhat with your statement. I haven't played a system other than D&D 5e (not because I don't try, but because there is no one that plays anything other than 5e, and no one is willing to try a new system) and after playing for a while, I find myself wishing that I could build something new and more interesting, without having to find and balance homebrew. As you said, I wish I could show my character personality through how I interact with the world via the game systems, rather than roleplay and acting (of which I'm rather bad at).

[@chaosheaven23]

I get roped into a lot of 5e games as well, just for the fact that my friends have hyped up the math component so much that now a PF game terrifies them to think about. To me it isn't even bad once you finish crunching the numbers and make a note of the final value.

[@cosmiclive4437]

@@nox9856 I found my group on r/lfg. It may take a few attempts, I think I PMed like 7-8 people until I found my group.

[@nox9856]

@@chaosheaven23 Yes. As long as your prepared and have everything prepared, I don't see the issue. I guess the issue is getting there in the first place without companion tools.

[@EdanielJ4]

I love the idea of adding customizability. When listening I thought about Diablo items and adding gems/runes to them. My other thought, which you touched on at the end was adding Magic Shops. In a video on Dungeon Dudes they mentioned a magical shop that, if I remember, has EVERYTHING. I think the idea was to ALLOW PCs to buy ANYTHING they want. I could be wrong, but then gold would be used if they knew they could buy a legendary item they wanted for 100k or whatever. Thanks again for your videos! Love your time spent on the content.

[@Ogr252]

"dnd is a simple game" As someone who finally managed to find people to play and try it out for the first time I was trying to create character which lasted the time of whole session and still not done with it even with help of a DM.

[@KaRmaTheSchemer]

Don't worry we all crawl, walk and then run 🧙‍♂️

[@dynamicworlds1]

It _really_ isn't a simple game. Most games are simpler than D&D which is probably in the top third or quarter if we're ranking games based on complexity (and the things above it are largely things like GURPs or things heavily inspired by D&D mechanics). Sure complex =/= inherently bad, but it's not at all simple.

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Unless people cooperate real good, spending a session+ to create a character is good.

[@markrady7197]

veteran of Pathfinder here, while i like 5e for the simplicity i also like "mathfinder" for the complexity. 1) on the topic of crits, the sneak attack dmg in path does not multiply, so you dont have to worry about that. and there are weapons that get down to 15-20 crit range, another thing is that the adds to dmg also multiply, so your +4 str would become +8 2) AC, or lack of in 5e, I am playing path right now with an AC tank, something you can not do in 5e, as a fighter if i was to take away all the magic pluses to AC,(which is only +4 right now) i would be rocking a 27 AC, something unheard of in 5E, and we just hit 7, it will only go up from there. 3) the books, all you need to play pathfinder is the corebook, it has all the rules, the magic items, and bestiary 1. everything else is just add-ons( and honestly some of the latter books i wont touch with a 10ft pole) It has been said already that pathfinder is just DnD 3.75, I would go ahead pick up the CRB online and try it out. grab a group of guys who have already played 5e and try it out. After that you might want to try other RPGs, there are plenty out there. Write of some character, broaden your horizons, but most importantly HAVE FUN

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

It’s crazy how many people you see type things like “I wish 5e did this this and that like pathfinder 2nd edition /1st” and you’re thinking bruh just play both!

[@markrady7197]

@@HeroOfTheWeb Ive got a decade of RP experience(ik a drop compared to what some others have) but i have played over a dozen systems(not counting different editions of systems) DnD is not the only game out there, or even the best(ik heresy) Reach outside your comfort zone, try something new

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

mark rady my comment was not meant as an attack. Also, I have a board game room that causes people to whip out their phone to take pics. I’ve played a lot of games as well. I don’t like 5E, but there really are much better games out when you factor in time and effort required.

[@markrady7197]

I did not take it as an attack, sorry if my reply made it seem that way. I just took it as an opportunity to expand on my closing statement in the op

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

mark rady makes sense now that I re-read it haha. Cheers 🍻 (also I agree with what you said, I should have led with that)

[@carloscaro9121]

"You can't have an RPG without levels." World of Darkness, Call of Cthulhu, Delta Green, Blades in the Dark, Star Wars d6, Ars Magicka, Unknown Armies, FATE, Paranoia, KULT, All Flesh Must Be Eaten, Scion, Exalted, 7th Sea, Legend of the Five Rings, Continuum, Black Void, Over the Edge, Shadowrun, Cyberpunk 2020, Fireborn, Fiasco...just from my shelves. And most of what D&D5e could learn is stuff that D&D removed in 5e; PFRPG 1e was Paizo eating Hasbro's lunch when their revamped 3.5 outsold D&D 4e. Dude does not know his stuff.

[@anneaunyme]

Despite not having "levels" most of those have character progression one way or another. (actually the L5R version I played have levels even if they don't look like DnD ones at all). Some don't, I must admit, but it is less common than what you say.

[@hitihautriponel419]

I'm a 3.5 player, and this vedieo was just like "you guys don't have this ?". Anyway I love your videos, keep it up !

[@brclb90]

I mostly concur of these points, however there is a major part left out here. The points made in this video, where DnD should have, are actually DnD rules. DnD 3.5. Not Pathfinder. Pathfinder took them from DnD and slightly changed. People felt they were unnecessary and left them behind. They were too much to remember for most people, too much to calculate, too much to bother. The old players were frustrated mainly because of this reason, "Sure you can simplify the armor system, the magic system, the combat system... sure it will make the game easier to play. And sure it will be more fun to play the game like this. But only TEMPORARILY. It will get boring fast". This was my main reason to never convert to 5E. Its simply too simple. For most part you as the player is being spoon fed. After you play 3-5 different games things start to be repetitive. As it gets more repetitive and simple, your role-play will also get more simple. And at some point your player will turn into murder hobos, because they will wrongly think that it is the only fun part left to play. Now I am not against 5E. It is proven that it was need for the industry to flourish and more people to join the glorious ranks of table top role players. However its simplicity is a curse for many people especially they have a math brain and feel like "things are not coherent". I believe the best way to battle this simplicity is to start with 5E, and when everyone is fairly proficient with the concepts, go back to 3.5, which is a far more complex and steady system. However I also realize to problems of learning 2 systems, no matter how similar. I believe this is only for more hardcore players, not for the fainthearted.

[@miloinindo]

I agree, except skip 3.5 and go to pathfinder. It's a better version of 3.5.

[@kamencraftbrasil4367]

For what I have seem so far, pathfinder 2e strikes a nice balance of making rules more straightforward without sacrificing customization, strategy or depth. Also it has better high level support than dnd 5e.

[@bloodydove5718]

@@kamencraftbrasil4367 Pathfinder 2e definitely sacrifices customization when compared to 3.5 and pathfinder 1e

[@Harrowed2TheMind]

Honestly, though, Pathfinder corrects many weak points in 3.5: skills being too specialized and the quirkiness of combat maneuvers and Turn/Rebuke Undead which have been streamlined and balanced with the CMB vs CMD system and Channel Positive/Negative Energy respectively (what was a seldom-used, overly complicated afterthought now became a really cool and essential class feature!), etc. I played both, and Pathfinder doesn't remove anything from the 3.5 experience, in my honest opinion (it's actually retrocompatible most of the time, so you can use those spells from the Spell Compendium if your DM allows them, play in your favourite setting, etc.). Actually, it adds many nice details and options, such as called shots (I love them)! You even get more feats, and thus, more ways to customize your characters! I had actually been tweaking the 3.5 system to my taste for quite a while, only to find Pathfinder already did most of the work for me when I finally found it, haha! XD I agree with your statement concerning 5E, though. Too simple to my taste as well, although there are quite a few gems that are worth adopting, here and there.

[@GoodOldGamer]

It depends on your mindset. 5e is great for storytelling and RP. Also great for chill sessions after long days at work. Pathfinder may have more interesting combat, but that's not all there is to a game. Unless that's all you want, of course.

[@limroto]

A suggestion for armor is, comes from the phrase: "Just because you have leather to dampen the damage, doesn't mean the hammer strike doesn't hurt". With that in mind, have a "slighty hit" span, that each armor can kinda 'half damage taken', and base it on Dex for dodging and Con for damage reduction in some math equation (easy to do though). Imaging a "Not damaged" scale (from to-hit 1-x), followed by a "slightly hit" (for to-hit x-y) and "fully hit" (y+). We could write it as such: AC: 13-15 Above meaning "up to 13 is a full dodge, 13-15 (both included) is half damage / a reduction, and above 15 is full damage". Take this further, and have a difference to leather and metal armor; * Leather allows you to dodge the attack fully (current rules on 'not hit'), full damage (also current rules), but differentiate on piercing, bludgeoning and slashing damage. * Leather doesn't really do anything from bludgeoning (perhaps damage reduction on to-hit 1 on the 'slightly hit'). * Leather does a medium job on slashing and piercing damage, with a damage reduction on to-hit for perhaps 2-3. Leather Armor: - Piercing AC: 13-15 - Slashing AC: 13-15 - Bludgeoning AC: 14-15 * Metal is fucking awesome to slashing damage, and provides a wider range on the 'slightly hit' scale for maybe 5-6 * Metal is good against piercing, with 'slightly-hit' on 4-5. * Metal is decent against bludgeoning damage with 'slightly-hit' on 3-4. Plate Armor: - Piercing AC: 12-16 - Slashing AC: 11-16 - Bludgeoning AC: 13-16 Now the armor matters, and it's really good in metal's favor. With a lot of metal, lower the Dex of the character. Lower Dex means less dodging and a lower 'slightly-hit' value. It could also mean lower moment, meaning it could be fair to reduce the fields you can walk by a square. Now armor matters Maybe?

[@ArBee123]

Im loving how, the longer the community has 5e and delves into the details, the more people want things that were in 4e.

[@andykapsar4667]

or just skip 4e and use 3.x

[@Harrison11106]

Nice of you to show PF Kingmaker. I really dig it now that turn-based mode is official. pathfinder 1e was basically D&D 3.75, it did somethings that I was doing for years (example: it merged Move Silently & Hide into 1 skill: Stealth). I ran Scarred Lands under Pathfinder rules for quite a bit.

[@TPIALM]

The really strong element in pathfinder Is the clases, an archetyes. You can have almost any flavor you want.

[@linuskentr]

4:40 The thing about being prone is that you have disadvantage while you're down, so you can get grappled and stay down. Many enemies can get that free advantage if there's more than one. Giving opportunity attacks would literally kill your players so fast, this has to be the sillies thing I've heard someone want to change about D&D

[@claykeeton1331]

seems like you missed alot of D&D history pal. 2nd and 3rd edition had so much you could spend gold on. i have probably 10 source books devoted to things to buy. those books are still relevant in 5e. as far as armor...all the issues you talked about are new changes. older system had it covered including penalties for being prone. bottom line its your game as a DM so tweak it as you want and definitely look at 3rd edition (3.5 too)

[@Meanlucario]

As someone who started with 3.5, you just described that system. That's the system that has weapons with higher crit chance, higher crit multiplier, armors having different dex mod increase not solely due to its category (full plate even allows a +1 dex mod), and the like. I suggest getting some friends to give the system a try (though there are a lot of books).

[@GlacierFox523]

Hey, why don't you play DnD 3.5 since pathfinder and 3.5 are basically the same for the most part minus that pathfinder has some cool classes like Magus, Slayer, and of course Gunslinger. There is a 3.5 Character sheet for roll 20. I never player pathfinder but I played Kingmaker and been comparing it to my 3.5 games I have been playing for a few months now and creating characters for it (one-shot tournament between 2 player characters) and it is really similar though Kingmaker definitely condensed all the skills. Edit: I have lots of problem with how armor and weapons are handled in 5e since it is very hard to go above 19 or 20 without magic and the monsters have lots of bonus to hits so what they need to roll a 5 or bellow to hit when they have AC in the high 20s

[@WhyYouMadBoi]

Its hard to get armor class to 19-20 Well plate+shield is easy it just cost alot of gold. With just magic its a bit harder but a simple way is mage armor+20 dex+war magic wizard 10 level ability But thats one build and hard to do and it takes 2 spell slots. So I agree but 5e is basically baby mode. Where alot of things don't have any ac above 17 for monsters.

[@witchBoi_Connor]

Pathfinder 1e fixes a lot of 3.5’s bugs and most of its rules and material are available for free online.

[@Taven03]

Not so true any more pathfinder 2.0 made some major changes and it has a different feel now. Still more complex and depth but some newer rules

[@witchBoi_Connor]

Also 5e is built that way, of having a soft/hard limit on certain statistics, on purpose. I’ve heard it referred to as bounded accuracy, which is a nice term. It’s what makes the system so simple and clean, by the numbers being very fixed based on level and other factors rather than random numerical increases (like PF), there’s no point where a player character becomes an untouchable god to people of a lower level, as 5e likes that more grounded, mundane approach to fantasy, whereas a lot of other systems strongly support high to epic fantasy.

[@WhyYouMadBoi]

@@witchBoi_Connor I wouldn't say it fixed the issues. It just made the martial/caster divide bigger. For example wizards in pathfinder are way stronger than those in 3.5 meanwhile fighters in pathfinder might have a few more options and hell could specialize they're still not the best at all or even better than in 3.5

[@aztaga]

Guys we need to take a moment to just appreciate the sheer brilliance of this man. This man, dedicated his time to enlightening and expanding a community. He dedicates his time to researching and then making and editing videos for random people on KZbin to digest. This man, is one of the good ones. A KZbinr that deserves some serious respect. I applaud this man.

[@JonWaterfall]

Pathfinder 2e attempted to make a more streamlined system. It does this well in most cases, and not so much in others. Example: Players have 3 actions per turn. Attacking only takes 1. You can therefore attack multiple times on your turn. Yay! However: To not make this overpowered there's a mechanic where you take a penalty for each consecutive attack you do during your turn. Now you have to note down 2 more numbers for your attack rolls. Boo! That said, I absolutely LOVE the mundane and magic items in 2e. You have so many things to choose from and if you keep your eye on them you'll always have something to spend your gold on. And using bulk instead of real weight measurements makes calculation my inventory encumbrance without slowing down the game actually possible.

[@S0nyb1ack]

A great video as always :) A few thoughts from me: The idea of special materials for weapons exists in the PHB, with the silvering of weapons. So the idea at least exists. And things like mithril and adamantine armor are magic armors, though they sound more like materials to me personally. I guess even if a DM doesn't want magic shops per se it isn't to much of a stretch that they could allow armors to be upgraded with those materials or specifically forged out of those materials (for an appropriate price of course). In my experience wizards and any characters with either the ritual caster feat or warlock with the pact of the tome (they pay even more...) have so much use for any money. In a campaign I currently DM my warlock has copied one ritual, is saving up for the next one (halfway there) and has a 3rd one in the "queue" as well. EDIT: sorry I posted this a bit to soon (accidentally hit the save button), I'll add a bit more to this comment in one more edit (I need a couple of minutes) :P As for more interesting weapons - I think they almost wanted to go the route of the being more or less a cosmetic choise, but I think we all would love to see a bit more variety. Currently you have basically just a couple of categories: polearm, 2 handed, versatile one handed, finesse one handed, light one handed weapons (dual wielding is the reason to use a short sword instead of a rapier, since you don't need a feat to dual wield them, but scimitar or short sword doesn't matter ;)), crossbows (with the hand cross bow being pretty unique), bows. Technically a dagger has an advantage over a 2nd short sword for dual wielding with the ability that you can throw it, but sadly that comes up so rarely, that it is usually just a weaker choise. Maybe we need more weapons with the special property, instead of trying to "reinvent" the existing weapons? Lance and whip and net are interesting (sadly not really useful for using up money, but they are certainly special). Recently my other warlock used his pact weapon feature to change his usual greatsword into a lance and it was amazing in that specific spot. He just wanted a weapon with reach and was pretty sure the enemy wouldn't close in on him and went with the 1d12 instead of the 1d10 he would have gotten with a halberd, just killing an air elemental later in the fight, which otherwise would have gotten another turn. An idea for a homebrew item I had just yesterday: swordbreaker: Martial, 1 handed, finesse, light, 1d4 piercing. The swordbreaker isn't primarily designed to hurt enemies and gets a -1 to hit and to damage rolls. If you dual wield with a swordbreaker in one hand you get +1 AC. Rouges are proficient with the sword breaker. The idea is that is is the worse offensive option for dual wielding, but it provides slightly better defense.

[@gwiber]

Check Pathfinder 2, they've simplified some of it, made it easier. Still complicated though.

[@30noir]

Pffft

[@zacharygadzinski3147]

Not a D&D or Pathfinder player, but aren't there tools that make Pathfinder 2e easier to comprehend? Also, I believe they are releasing a beginner's set or something.

[@gwiber]

@@zacharygadzinski3147 Easy enough? Yes. Easier over all. Yes. Then again... I have been playing RPG's since 1985, so my viewpoint might be a little odd. (But yes it is easy)

[@jamesrosengrant8675]

I'm currently running a campain that's in an adventurer high-school setting and one of my classes is a shop class where the players can learn about different materials they can use to make specific effects added on to their weapons or armor. Things like status effects they can add on to their current stuff. That way I can give them the tools to go and work towards whatever type of load out their characters want to have

[@carlosn9080]

I'm from Europe (Spain) and I can't wait for the 2nd edition

[@jessenichols9618]

They haven't released it their yet? Im sure you can purchase the pdfs

[@30noir]

First edition PF is much better.

[@carlosn9080]

@@30noir I don't now paizo take he's time. Ebry body say that 3.5 whas better than Pathfinder but they make more and more good books

[@NiquelBones]

ayyyy spain gang

[@carlosn9080]

@@jessenichols9618 yea but I preferred to read it on Spanish, it's easy for me

[@rayleonard2565]

This discussion made me instantly think of Star Wars KoTR 2. It has both the adding various amounts of dex modifiers to different armors and simple weapon upgrades like crit threat range. That was probably the first game to get me into rpgs :)

[@dylanwatts9344]

Feat: Dagger Mastery [] You've learned how to use your dexterity to ensure the dagger lands almost unerringly. -- Crit on 18-20 when using a dagger -- x4 crits when using a dagger (Extra attack die are still x2) Feat: Vital Knowledge (Rogue Only) [] You've studied the body to know exactly where to strike to cripple your target -- Sneak Attack crits gain an extra die per level (50% increase or x2.5 crit) Or did you want that extra 2 dex to cap off?

[@riobux3018]

So, at the risk of going off on a tangent, I do think Pathfinder 2nd does something SUPER interesting in terms of armour/weapons enchantments. The enchantments are just runes that you can put onto your favourite weapons and armour. Give your favourite armour extra AC, some extra saving throw bonuses, let your weapons hit more often and hit harder, just by looting runes and throwing them on. It really allows you to grow with your weapons and armour, staying with your trusty sword that your father was passed to by their father and their father from level 1 to level 20 by just switching in-and-out runes to enchant them with. There's something beautiful RP wise of this. Loot wise, it means as a GM you can throw enchanted weapons and armour and not be fussed if it's a greataxe but your barbarian was hoping for a greatsword. Just fling the runes onto their current greatsword and they'll happy. You can also hide runes in dark dungeons, inscribed onto stones or ancient leathers to be transferred off onto a new weapon/armour. It's just immensely flexible. In terms of weapons/armour flexibility, Pathfinder 1st definitely did suffer to some degree certain weapons/armours never getting much use (e.g. why would a rogue use a dagger when they can use a rapier, excluding that one archetype?). Pathfinder 2nd used said rune enchantments before, weapon proficiency (where the "to hit" modifier increases as you level) and weapon properties (e.g. Finesse, where you use Dex to roll to hit instead of strength, as a property) to generate a lot of complexity. On top of this is the class feat system, where you gain different specific moves you can do during combat by spending actions (you get three per turn, can be used for anything), whose damage output can be potent enough to mean that war razor is actually useful for some classes (e.g. swashbuckler). Is Pathfinder 2nd/1st more complex than D&D 5th? Definitely, but I always believe it's worth weighing out not only your tolerance for complexity but also if said complexity rewards enough depth to compensate, which you touch on. I genuinely believe it does, but I'm used to this degree (D&D 3.5 was the first system I learned), and I'm confident enough I can quite easily teach new players how to player Pathfinder 2nd/1st (and have done in the past). I definitely do recommend at least a glance towards Pathfinder 2nd, as it does feel more accessible due to things like a three-action-economy rather than remembering all the different types of actions (standard/move/quick/free/full). Edit: By the way, fun fact about Pathfinder 2nd having standing up provoking attacks of opportunity with classes with the required feat: My players at my table tend to adore tripping everything they can because then they stand up and it's this celebration of free attacks on the enemy.

[@quasarsword7479]

Did my first roll20 session last night! I missed d&d

[@timtaber6217]

What an great idea!!! I think I might homebrew some of these ideas.

[@luciferblue6503]

These things you listed came from 3 and 3.5 edition. Keen, masterwork, etc. Pathfinder is literally just a rework of 3.5 from people who were abysmally disappointed by the human rights violation known as 4th edition.

[@neiljohnston4294]

@MrRhexx at 12 mins you were musing about the magic items in 5E. I agree! I feel like it is a function of this simplified play (and battle math) so they really went vanilla for the all the magical items. In contrast 4E had a plethora of armors and mechanics to really improve them. In longer campaigns I give the players more 4E choices; it makes the game more interesting if they are a rogue that needs to decide between leather armor or armor that gives a +1 to opportunity attacks (OA) but has -1 AC. 4E was huge on weaponry and items that had a specific buff or flavor-able ability. And my favorite, stylish equipment that instantly improves your CHA with certain NPC's and or Races. Great Video!

[@darklordthomaspie6293]

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[@davidwido1135]

Great topic! I haven’t found people to play with since my early 20’s when we were in D&D 3.5. Now as I purchase items I purchase pathfinder because it’s similar To 3.5. With the addition of pathfinder 2e ( maybe trying to be more like D&D 5e) I steal what I like and incorporate it into my game. I started with the 3 move actions per turn. I like that better than the more complicated way Pathfinder 1e does it. Keep up the great content and I would love this to be a reoccurring topic!

[@cooldogspot4855]

Considering your argument on armor, I liked how different materials for armor and weapons were listed in the core rulebook. Adamantine and mithril armor weren't considered magic items, they were different materials that made it more expensive. Adamantine gave some damage reduction, and mitrhil made it count as one category lighter (mithril plate was considered medium, and mithril scale was light). Then there were things like darkwood, dragonhide, 3.5 had leaf weave... And then there was also better tools. Masterwork weapons and armors, thieves tools, instruments, smiths tools, and so on. Things like tindertwigs and other consumables that were actually useful, contrary to acid and alchemical fire which are only really good in gimmicky builds with thief rogue and tavern brawler in 5th edition I think it would be cool if maybe you released a little splat sheet of homebrew stuff for more weapons and armors without magic

[@sfrink1425]

Here’s another take on the armor class idea that could alter your perception on taking the armor that just gives you the better score. I believe in 1st and 2nd edition, one additional bonus from magical armor related to saving throws. If you had +3 magical padded armor, it gave also gave you a bonus to certain saving throws, like vs. breath weapon, Wanda, spells. Now, compare that to having +1 studded leather. Both have the same AC, but the +3 padded armor’s bonus for saving throws makes it more valuable. Something you could easily work into Pathfinder or 5E.

[@moosher12]

One thing to note, bringing up the rogue in Pathfinder, since you never played the TRPG. The Pathfinder 1E RPG has tonnes of mundane tool options for a rogue to plan a heist, with equipment to assist from intel gathering, infiltration, lock breaking, and distraction applications. Such as perfumes which can affect socialization, sticky paper to reduce the noise of breaking glass, telescopes, different types of lockpicking kits with different concealability and effectiveness, different kinds of utility arrows to pull of stunts out of the game Thief, glass cutters, climbing equipment, disguise kits, etc. I like to think my favorite aspect of the Pathfinder RPG is the ability to design a kit during character creation and in town, from which you can plan in accordance to your missions. Between all of the books, there is so many equipment options that you actually can get that sense that you tailored your kit perfectly for the job you approached, or simply made a general-purpose kit to tackle the majority of problems. There is a wide array of mundane and magical tools that you can use and synergize, and with the established crafting system, in the Golarion universe at least, the only barrier to the magic item you want is whether you can afford it, and whether you can find a person who knows the requisite spells to craft it, if not simply buying it at a magic shop.

[@plastictouch6796]

Soul Forge is a system that is coming out very soon, that balances this complexity vs simplicity along with character uniqueness very very well. I'll let you know whenever that happens, it also has a very nice digital character sheet that is going to become a web app which makes it even simpler. These guys have been developing this system for 6 years and it is awesome. I'll make a comment once it comes out.

[@pavelowjohn9167]

Having started with AD&D back in the 80s and then jumping on Pathfinder about 8 years ago, I can say that the thing that really makes a difference, for me, is the world. While I'll always have some fondness for Faerun, the Golarion setting is something that I enjoyed and got immersed in as an organized play GM and I just got more involved with it as I started running APs for my home group. I've GMed the same guys through Reign of Winter, Giantslayer and Wrath of the Righteous and I feel that the stories, and the world they are set in, is a big strength for the Pathfinder system, be it 1E (my favorite) or 2E(I've GMed it a few times, not as good as 1E imo, but adequate to the task). I think Owlcat Games has realized this and is why they have had so much success with Kingmaker (and hopefully Wrath, when it comes out).