What did Native Americans do during the Civil War? (Short Animated Documentary)

[@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332]

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[@mirthless5603]

For me,his videos always conveniently come out when I'm wondering about that thing,haha

[@sweetballs4742]

I second that

[@lordkauck]

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[@nah1475]

@@lordkauck French fries wouldn't exist if Belgium didnt tho

[@josephcameron4771]

One hundred percent agreement.

[@birch0398]

*Any video about Native Americans:* In the end they got shafted by the government

[@Doogie2K3]

The saddest, truest comment.

[@Sandlin22]

Not really considering all natives get free college, natives forced to live on reservations get a monthly check my hair cut lady full blooded Cherokee gets 1800 a month because of the forced relocation as does all her children, living on a reservation is optional which is why 4 out of every 5 natives don't, if you look up the percapita funding of native schools they recieve 20k per student while the average U.S. school receives 12840 per student all while not paying taxes. Some natives at some points got "shafted" by the government. Others greatly prospered because of it and now all natives prosper because of it if they choose to. Native American reservations that are hot garbage currently is solely because of the barbarism of the residents. Another reason why 4 out of every 5 natives stay away from reservations.

[@Sandlin22]

@@Doogie2K3 not true

[@NACHOXXX4]

Forced displacements are still considered crimes against humanity. Regardless of the reparations

[@sail2byzantium]

@@Sandlin22 Actually true.

[@Orthane]

One of the things so many seem to forget is that the Natives owned plenty of slaves as well, so I'm glad someone brought attention to it.

[@micsmith180]

@Sloppy Joe and the slavery and genocide of native Americans before African slaves and Africans selling slaves to Europeans and Africans and Europeans coming on the boat. And Africans being "freed" but no be able to go back to Africa? Hmmm

[@j.j.9511]

The uploader downplayed it massively. They owned slaves & refused to free them when the government told them to. And then refused to give them land & resources as part of a treaty and kicked them out of their tribes. The main tribes called the civilized ones owned slaves.

[@elbucho8867]

JoJo is not an anime don’t count all those deaths from sickness as a act of genocide, because if that is the case then the mongols were the biggest genocide commiters in history. The Bubonic plagues infected all of Europe and the Middle East. What happened to the natives AFTER 90% of them died unintentionally from old world disease was ethnic cleansing, not genocide.

[@Jklopoppcorn]

@JoJo is not an anime and what? he never justified anything, only brought attention to the fact that they owned slaves as well and willingly fought for the confederacy. take that as you will

[@micsmith180]

@@j.j.9511 the uploader downplayed native Americans fighting for the union to

[@timfortune9]

Native American history 1492 on: "And somehow, things got worse."

[@socktier6334]

timfortune9 that “somehow” is the colonizers.

[@bheesechurger8340]

@@socktier6334 thank you, thank you. Without your help I wouldnt have known what the original comment would be trying to say even with the context of the video in mind

[@fourteensierra]

​@@socktier6334...And fighting for the losing side in pretty much every war in the last 300 years (And owning slaves themselves... I was pretty surprised by that one)

[@socktier6334]

Bheese Churger it’s not a war when one side steals the land from the indigenous people and ethnically wipes them out in a genocide. It’s like saying if China invaded the USA and killed all its people, would that be considered just a “war”?

[@grandinquisitor8335]

@@connman4008 western Europe maybe eastern Europe not likely

[@Gabriel-ip6me]

This channel evolved from "Well known events in history explained in 10 min" to "Obscure parts of history you've never even thought about but will find absolutely amazing in 4 min or less". And I love it 😀

[@southerncaesar3371]

Gabriel Sáenz I guess you could say this is why history matters 😎

[@InFamou5Killer]

honestly i learn more about the obscure parts of history. He also answers some of the most random question i had. Like what happened immediately after WW2

[@andrewparker1622]

Seems like the guy behind this was having trouble filling out video ideas to ten minutes

[@teodorghinea425]

@@southerncaesar3371 I believe that they run out of important events. Althought I really like their new approach.

[@robertrichard6107]

@@andrewparker1622 There's all sorts of important events with other tribes through this period. This episode's mostly about ones Andrew Jackson moved out to Oklahoma. The Cherokee had even won in the Supreme court to stay in their Georgia area, they printed their own newspapers about it. Atleast the Lakota and Cheyenne got some pay back on goldylocks when he's terrorizing them.

[@grantwilson4506]

Natives can't pick a right side to save their lives lol. French-Indian War: Well, the French were nice to us. They seem like a good choice. Revolutionary War: The British won last time, there's no way these Rebels could beat them! Civil War: Well, the British actually lost, so this time we'll back the Rebels!

[@skeletalforce9673]

It was basically whoever fights the USA is my friend

[@louiswebtser]

There are Native that always sided with the U.S

[@akachold]

As a german I know the problem xD

[@luchthonn]

@@skeletalforce9673 The French and Indian war was between Britain and France, as well as the tribes aligned with both. The USA didn't exist.

[@martinhorvath4117]

@@luchthonn But Thirteen Colonies did, which was the proto-USA

[@BWEEOOP]

The Five Civilized Tribes sided with the Confederacy. This angered the Union, who punished them severely.

[@zorronegro229]

They were always going to get the boot either way sadly

[@georgesamuelson4003]

Dude, uncool Not

[@inyoface05]

@@gulmaraz5931 you're an idiot

[@conversationtosaurusrex]

@@WyattPriceTV He's overrated

[@RalphReagan]

The confederacy paid some of what the government owed the Cherokee of course the other side never did.

[@Marinealver]

Revolutionary War: Let's side with the British so we can get our lands back. Civil War: Let's side with the Confederacy so we can get our lands back. They never could catch a break.

[@grandinquisitor8335]

still to this day they if you ask me they are still the most underprivileged people in the Americas

[@dukedase7]

@@grandinquisitor8335 In some ways, definitely. But they get massive casinos where they make shit tons of money, they could get billions from the Govt. if they accepted settlements (I understand why they won't but still) and they have autonomous lands where they can create their own laws and authority. In many ways, they have it better now than the rest of us.

[@grandinquisitor8335]

@@dukedase7 I agree but many things still need to be fixed with its high school dropouts and allowing more urbanization within the reservations throwing money at something doesn't always fix things

[@army310]

They should pick sides better

[@dukedase7]

@@grandinquisitor8335 Yeah you're right. A lot of stuff they can fix themselves, too, though. I think they may have a problem with the people in control of money being greedy and not helping properly, same as us, there, lol. They also have huge drug/drinking problems that need to be fixed.

[@timmarshall7292]

I asked my Full Blood Choctaw Indian friend, who lives in Oklahoma, if his family lived on a Reservation; He told me the Choctaw Indians owned slaves before the Civil War and fought on the side of the Confederates. He said that when the war was lost, the government took away their land and divided it into 500 acre tracts to be dispersed for individual claims, Red or White. I believe it was his Great Grandfather who was able to lay claim of 500 acres, along with other Choctaw Indians, and over the years, that property has been past down to family members. My Choctaw Indian friend lives in a very comfortable cabin, near his aged mothers home (he is in his mid to late 60's), in the Southeast hills of Oklahoma surrounded by many Aunts, Uncles and Cousins.

[@beastshawnee]

Again it was only some of the Choctaw that owned any. Just as many Choctaw had married runaway slaves.

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

@@beastshawnee 85% of whit epeople owned no slaves and only 5% of those that did owned more than 10. If the excuse can be given to the Choctaw it can be given to the British descendants that made up the south.

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

@@Aceshot-uu7yx every peoples have owned slaves, doesn't matter if your native American, European, African, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean or South American, Humans have owned slaves since the first cities arose, it is engraved into the fabric of civilization, even before the Europeans, my tribe waged war and took slaves from other tribes, its the the way of humans to do such a thing to eachother, no one people is better than another, other than the people who choose to get rid of slavery despite it being so engraved into the foundation of civilization

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

@@brandoncampanaro7571 the problem us people act as if whites massively inslaved blacks, it was an ever changing oligarchy of planters that did so and no society deserves to get called out nore then any other. People act as if America is more evil then others or as if it was every white person owned one, it was always something the rich had.

[@okieboy7065]

The reason the land was divided up among individual indians, as opposed to being one large reservation, was to allow them to sell their land. This happened shortly after oil was discovered in large quantities in Indian Territory. Split up the land and give it to individuals and an outsider can come along and buy the land from the indian, typically for next to nothing, perhaps a bottle of whiskey. Now you own property in Indian Territory with oil on it. Although this did work out well for the Oklahoma indians in the long run. I have a great job working for the Chickasaw Nation and have for almost 15 years. Btw, I am Cherokee.

[@Facelessbuster]

1:23 You can still hear the thud when a person dies. I love it. Like we don’t see Opothleyaholo die but we heard the sound and it’s hilarious

[@sail2byzantium]

I confess, I first missed this--but yeah, Opothleyaholo does make his noticeable thud. Hilarious! And thanks!

[@air9music]

Lance Sterling I was thinking maybe they had the visual in there but deemed it somehow inappropriate and removed it later.

[@toreq1127]

i can see the lego man instantly and randomly fall down in my mind i love this channel

[@andresjg6]

Yah it’s noticeable with headphones.

[@psychokinrazalon]

@@andresjg6 And imperceptible without.

[@Yora21]

I always find it amazing how just a little bit of historical context lets you recognize who are lot of these block figures are supposed to look like.

[@StevenRecknagelMusic]

There were natives who volunteered in several Wisconsin regiments, the soldiers were given tips by them as how to use natural foilage for camouflage They spoke well of them and their courage

[@chaosXP3RT]

The bald eagle, Old Abe that the Wisconsin "Iron Brigade" had was given to them by a Native American. He had captured the bird near the Fox River. Old Abe is also depicted on the 101st Airborne Division's patch.

[@StevenRecknagelMusic]

chaosXpert and the fact that they wore gaitors was a nod to the old whites the iron brigade war. I used to reenact the 2nd Wisconsin “Iron Brigade” lots of fun! I studied a lot of different histories of men and units and it was always fascinating. Not just that unit either I mean across the board but still

[@StevenRecknagelMusic]

chaosXpert also that’s funny you mention the Fox River as how huge it is I lived on a town most of my life that had it run through it haha

[@chaosXP3RT]

@@StevenRecknagelMusic I live near Green Bay Wisconsin and I love history so naturally I had to learn about Wisconsin's history in the Civil War. What amazed me so much is that Old Abe is the bald eagle on the 101st Airborne's patch. The 101st is a famous division, and Wisconsin is linked for them because of a bird a Native American gave the Iron Brigade!

[@StevenRecknagelMusic]

chaosXpert wait though I think old Abe was given to the 8th Wisconsin And the uniform nods came from the iron brigade The 8th was in the west at Vicksburg etc The iron brigade was in the east

[@Emperor.Penguin.]

"Do your people even celebrate Thanksgiving?" "We did. Once."

[@therodyman700]

No they didn't because it was a tradition started by the Dutch

[@gulmaraz5931]

Reservations have to be the worst thing we’ve done to the Indians.

[@maggiesimone275]

@@therodyman700 it's a King of The Hill reference

[@AltoStratusX1]

@@gulmaraz5931 Wasn't there a whole period where there was straight up genocide when bounties were put on buffalo to exterminate their food sources and forced relocation and rape and murder by US Calvary? I feel like the Reservations are a result of much worse shit.

[@AltoStratusX1]

@Amon Ra Lol "its evolution babe" in this context is a fundamentally wrong phrase that illustrates a complete lack of understanding in regards to evolutionary theory. "Weaker" or "Stronger" does not play a factor, rather which organism is more specialized for a specific niche. "The strong will survive" is actually only true in a very narrow outdated interpretation of evolution. It's also literally Hitlers excuse for committing genocide on the Jews.

[@ScottishMeetBall]

1:01. Nice Indiana Jones reference.

[@manuelvirgulti6757]

in fact I was wondering about how the crusaders could get into all that

[@capncake8837]

Manuel Virgulti Same.

[@duncanread4442]

Loved it!

[@Tsuruchi_420]

But why?

[@nightsurvivor3673]

finally, a man of culture

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

Robert E Lee: "It's good to see a real American here" Ely Parker: "We are all Americans"

[@aaronmarks9366]

As a specialist in Native American history, thank you for covering this!

[@bificommander7472]

As a complete non - specialist, I hadn't heard of slavery being important to the Tribes' economies and I wonder what they made the slaves actually do. Did the tribes have big plantations too?

[@aaronmarks9366]

@@bificommander7472 In the case of the 5 civilized tribes, they had spent the decades prior to removal trying their best to adapt to the influx of white colonists in the south. In many cases, they adopted European-American houses, clothing, and hairstyles, styles of farming and land ownership, Protestant Christian religion, and they were on their way to assimilating to the English language. And, since this was in the context of Southern culture, they also adopted the 'peculiar institution' - chattel slavery. All of this was not only due to the influence of simple proximity, but also as a conscious gamble that, if they assimilated fully to European-American culture, maybe they'd be embraced and accepted by that culture, and not be ultimately forced to leave their homelands. Unfortunately for them, the one quality that the white Southern population ultimately cared about was also the one quality they couldn't change - their race. Despite giving up nearly everything that made them who they were, the 5 Nations were still ultimately deported so that white Southerners could take their land.

[@bificommander7472]

@@aaronmarks9366 Thanks for the info.

[@aaronmarks9366]

@@bificommander7472 You bet, glad to share

[@syllogism5843]

@@aaronmarks9366 What a tragic but insightful addendum. Thank you for sharing

[@thatguy4084]

Stand Watie had a crazy life, I only have surface level knowledge about him but his early life was hijacked by intrigue, he was the only confederate general who was also native, and he was apparently a genius when it came to hit and run tactics.

[@mayahex7089]

He was a Brave Son of the Great Selu

[@keenansmith1021]

He also killed the guy that assainated his Uncle "ON SIGHT" Imean soon as he saw him he killed him and beat the charge in court. General Stand Wadie a LEGEND

[@tairabanzu]

As a Navajo, what's neglected to be mentioned that during the American Civil War, We Navajos partake into the war. However during Lincoln's Presidency the union army invaded our territory, years before Arizona and New Mexico were born, we were attacked, and forced for what is now known as "The Navajo Long Walk" to Bosque Rodondo and we're kept imprisoned from 1864-1868. If anyone wants to correct or add anymore info than I gave I love to learn more as well.

[@publicanimal]

The brainwashed fools who still think the Union were the "good guys" don't want to learn anything about the Long Walk of the Navajo, or the execution of 38 Dakota ordered by Lincoln.

[@inconnu4961]

@@publicanimal Are YOU going to cry too? Do you need a tissue a pacifier or both? Its 2023, and NOTHING you say or feel will changed what happened! If the North did NOT win, you probably wouldnt be living as a 'relatively' free American now. The Natives in Canada nor Mexico were NOT treated particularly better, in case you didnt know!

[@leodouskyron5671]

Always happy to know more. The biggest issue with Northern indigenous nations/tribes is that there are so many of them. Cherokee were split (still seem an issue) but they were more union then confederate but the issue is not just during the civil war but all the things that happened after it (because Sherman was was worst in the west then he ever was to the south).

[@publicanimal]

@@leodouskyron5671 Cherokee were absolutely not "more Union than Confederate". They officially allied with the Confederacy.

[@AllenHanPR]

We? You mean them. What did you do?

[@Vienna3080]

Comanche and Cyam: We did good Union brothers what are our rewards? America: Rewards?

[@RKNGL]

Comanche harbored warriors from the Cheyenne who raided Minnesota during the Civil War despite not siding with the confederacy.

[@salt_factory7566]

Congratulations, here's your eternal reward.

[@dextercochran4916]

Cheyenne*

[@davesy6969]

"Rewards? Have some beads"

[@arcihungbycraneonfire]

@@salt_factory7566 *gunshots*

[@tobiashandler9000]

Most Native Americans sided with the Confederacy *This enraged the Union, who punished them severely*

[@quotenbalkaner7066]

UnexpectedOversimplified I'm not sure ok pls don't erase me from the history books!

[@blackhatch46]

Because they wanted states rights

[@quotenbalkaner7066]

@@blackhatch46 about which one?

[@trajan75]

Funny thing is that it was the Southerners who really took their lands away from them in defiance of a Supreme Court Order which Andrew Jackson, a southerner refused to enforce.

[@vulgrim909]

@@trajan75 One southerner took their lands, washington presidents and politicians usually from the north constantly took their land and expanded

[@johnc1014]

I think it's interesting how many people today forget that Native Americans aren't just one group. They are dozens of different tribes that often fought one another, owned slaves, conquered land, etc. Europeans merely brought a whole new set of issues to an already turbulent landscape. Sadly, one of the greatest issues was the introduction of European diseases (intentional and unintentional) from which natives had virtually no immunity to.

[@helwrecht1637]

Samuel de Champlain showed up on the St Lawrence and was asked “hey could you help us win a battle” by the natives he encountered. Guy was there 5 minutes, bought some furs, and was invited to a war.

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

If there was another continent in the pacific, I think the peoples of the America's, wouldve been able to have the desises ravage them in the 1200 to 1400s and given time for the population the rebuild itself and inturn holding on to the contient the same way we "colonized" Africa, but those desises made it imo, impossible in every single scenario for my people to hold back the tide of poor Europeans

[@1950Grendel]

Oklahoma recognizes at least 65 tribes within the state.

[@darz3829]

"introduction of European diseases (intentional)" Really? Are you saying that Europeans knew about germs and diseases and knowingly used germ warfare at that time? Someone should tell that to Louis Pasteur. Also, the Indian tribes were very proud of their medicine men's knowledge of sickness and healing herbs. However, according to you, those hundreds of herbs weren't very effective to the diseases mentioned.

[@frankcalabrese8273]

​@@darz3829 pasteur allegedly admitted that germs dont cause disease before he died. It was a mistake of correlation vs causation. But yes you're correct they knew a lot about medicine back then

[@seed_drill7135]

Fun fact, the final military operation east of the Mississippi was the so called Battle of Waynesville, where the Eastern Cherokee and the Confederate home guard used psy-ops to trick the Union commander in Waynesville to believe himself surrounded. He was all set to surrender the town, but they, having learned first of the capitulation of General Johnston, surrendered to him instead.

[@deiansalazar140]

That must have been awkward and confusing. And uncomfortable.

the question no one asked, but now that they know about it they need an answer for

[@timmccarthy872]

If anyone's interested, the children's novel Rifles for Watie is all about the American Civil War in the Indian Territory (modern Oklahoma). I read it like 3 times as a child and loved it.

[@YesHumphreyAppleby]

Was wondering if someone was going to mention this. I also loved that book. Imagine my surprise when I found out one of my ancestors actually rode with watie.

[@johnbrown9542]

You forgot about General Eli Parker a Seneca Indian who was on Grant’s staff and wrote the terms of surrender for Robert E. Lee At Appomattox Lee would remark (somewhat jokingly) “At least there is one true American here.” Parker responded “We are all Americans here.”

[@KarmasAB123]

That's badass :D

[@b.salazar6610]

I remember that quote in extra credits

[@arcihungbycraneonfire]

John brown farm 😳

[@jacksonjones7736]

Blacks is the true americans

[@seronymus]

Based

[@aaronmarks9366]

As an additional note, one of the worst massacres against Natives in US history occurred during the war, in November 1864 in the Colorado territory. A territorial militia commanded by John Chivington annihilated a village of peaceful, pro-US Cheyenne and Arapahoe people. As the men were mostly away hunting, the victims were largely women, children, and elders. Not content to just kill them, the white militia also mutilated the corpses of the women, cutting off breasts and vulvas, and bringing these to Denver to proudly display in public. Chivington was tried for the crime, but was later acquitted.

[@AlexanderRM1000]

Yikes; I hadn't heard of that one before.

[@IvanScriptsEverything]

The fact he was a Christian pastor as well is unbelievable. How could he do this? God definitely sent him to hell for this.

[@johnratican3824]

Even Kit Carson-a well known Indian fighter himself and not exactly what one would call a bleeding heart liberal-called Chivington's men "cowards and dogs."

[@aaronmarks9366]

@@johnratican3824 That's one of the more shocking parts for me - when Kit Carson, architect of the Long Walk of the Navajo, is disgusted by your war crimes, you *know* you're a piece of sh*t

[@AlexanderRM1000]

@@johnratican3824 Reading about it's astonishing how well Chivington managed to be an utterly awful person with no redeeming features. He should've been hung not only for mass murder, but for treason as well, considering the group he attacked were at peace with the US government and the attack galvanized native resistance in the area

[@jeffsanders1609]

You forgot to mention General Ely S Parker. The first Native American General in the US Army Parker was. Seneca Indian from upstate New York and had a degree in engineering. He was denied entry into the Union Army on account of his race and so he wrote to his friend who he’d known before the war, Ulysses S. Grant. Grant needed engineers and knew Parker and so he commissioned him as a Colonel. Parker would then stay beside Grant for the rest of the war and would help Grant engineer many victories such as his victory at the Siege of Vicksburg. When Grant was promoted to commander of all Union armies Parker went with him to the East to face Lee. As such when Lee finally surrender Parker was in attendance as was al of Grant’s staff and he actually wrote he surrender document. When Less entered Appomattox he was surprised to see a Native American General as he simply wasn’t expecting that since it had never happened before in American history. Lee then walked over to Parker and our stretch his hand saying “At least there is one real American here.” Parker shook Lee’s hand and replied “We are all Americans here.”

[@pgsells]

Hello there! It is interesting indeed to hear about Ely Parker's story, but I would put a question on the statement that Parker wrote the surrender document. Here is Grant's description of that moment in his memoirs, as far as it pertains to this point: "[...] General Lee again interrupted the course of the conversation by suggesting that the terms I proposed to give his army ought to be written out. I called to General Parker, secretary on my staff, for writing materials, and commenced writing out the following terms [...]" ... with a copy of the text there. Thus, it seems clear that the text came from Grant's own hand to begin with. Unless this has been definitely shown to be false, I would go with Grant's description on this. Now if it were a question of further copies being written out on the scene, as Grant himself noted as being done a little further on in his story, then that, I think, would be the more likely moment at which Parker had a direct involvement with the surrender terms.

[@jongrant1215]

At the surrender meeting, seeing that Parker was an American Indian, General Lee remarked to Parker, “I am glad to see one real American here.” Parker later stated, “I shook his hand and said, 'We are all Americans'.” Ely Parker eventually had a post in Grant's administration. The Lumbee were viewed as a potential danger to the Confederacy and if I remember correctly, helped Sherman.

[@cv990a4]

Came here for this. Really can't talk about Native Americans in the Civil War without this guy.

[@kiwitrainguy]

"He was denied entry into the Union Army on account of his race" - thus proving how stupid racists are.

[@98cents]

​@@kiwitrainguy ... because a man who looks like a native american when the rest of the native americans are fighting against you wouldn't be suspicious at all... you visit a video to bitch about the internment of japanese during ww2 yet?

[@AgentGWG]

I really enjoyed this mature adult oriented content that spoke to me as someone over 13. There’s no mistaking this for any other type of content.

[@michaelbell3952]

Wasn't the last Confederate general a Cherokee

[@pestilenceplague4765]

It was Stand Waite, he pronounced it wrong. I have also been to his grave in Northeast Oklahoma

[@ArtyKibbles2190]

I believe so but something to note is that he was old enough to vividly remember the trail of tears so he probably had a ton of hatred for the U.S.

[@sexykids6500]

I remember having an illustrated book as a child about Cochise. There was a page devoted to the fact that the white men he had been fighting and some he had befriended left for a period to fight each other with an illustration of union and confederate troops. I had and read this book prior to learning about the civil war, so it was kind of my introduction to it

[@felps1917]

You forgot talk about Ely S Parker the Seneca lieutenant colonel secretary of General Grant. He wrote the final draft of the Confederate surrender terms at Appomattox

[@pridelander06]

When Robert E. Lee found out Parker was Seneca, he remarked, "It is good to have one real American here." To which Parker replied, "Sir, we are all Americans."

[@comradeshadles4967]

Extra history did a special on the many forgotten soldiers of the civil war

[@redornament3248]

@@comradeshadles4967 I suppose they did hella good on that, props to them

[@RedFox0909]

Agreed Parker was an amazing man. Existed with Grant’s Presidency as well.

[@geraldbennett7035]

dont know that i would brag about writing a surrender being that i surrendered.

[@Cheeseman42046]

Haven’t watched the video as of yet but I’m so glad you did this topic. People don’t know that they even had representation too. Also the confederate senate is also interesting because it didn’t run like the US senate did.

[@Darkfawfulx]

How so? I recall the Confederate system just being the Union's one with a different coat of paint.

[@Cheeseman42046]

@@Darkfawfulx well correct if I am wrong but I had read as well that it even had somewhat of a parliamentary-style "flavor" if you will lol. There was even a vote of no confidence as well. Let me check my sources.

[@Cheeseman42046]

@@Darkfawfulx update: sources came to a dead end. I could possibly be wrong. I am willing to admit when I am. I do remember reading that somewhere though.

[@gumdeo]

CSA was more decentralized.

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

@@Cheeseman42046 I think you are atleast a bit correct my friend, the confederate states did have a bit of a different system, longer terms and most small things like that

[@secondgenerationcleaning9246]

As someone from Oklahoma, we learned this is school. But I’m surprised how many people aren’t aware of all this.

[@capncake8837]

I live in California and we also learned about Indian involvement in the war. Stand Watie was even mentioned in our textbooks as the last Confederate general to surrender.

[@johnspinelli9396]

Im 22 and only learned about this now

[@erueda4563]

I live in new Mexico and we were barely taught the civil war

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

@@johnspinelli9396 some states and schools have differing cariculems on the same subject, mostly because that place decided thats how they want to teach it

[@ErikPT]

Texas mostly teaches the Mexican American war. It also emphasized on why Texas had to be annexed by Washington or New York? (At the time Capital was not in DC)

[@vvmax4375]

General: Wattya wanna do with the Natives who did nuttin. President: r e s e r v a t i o n s

[@dr.vikyll7466]

"Send 'em to the reservations he said, people will love us for this in the future he said"

[@Brian-----]

Well done. Also, on the Minnesota/Dakota frontier, there was a "Dakota War" that pushed the frontier eastward after Federal troops were withdrawn to fight the main war.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

Thanks for covering the history of the Civil War in Oklahoma. It’s a theater of the war that’s often ignored, even though over 170 battles and at least 3 major battles took place there.

[@geesixnine]

Unfortunately, the Natives were never united from the get go. So the division isn't surprising.

[@baneofbanes]

Wayne Gee I mean expecting them to be untied from the beginning is like expecting all Europeans or all Asians or all Africans to be united

[@michaelbell3952]

Well, Its a civil war

[@geesixnine]

@@baneofbanes I concur. The Chinese have killed themselves more than anyone.

[@geesixnine]

@Joshua N. AjangA little later. The An Lushan Rebellion

[@センナ-h4c]

Joshua N. Ajang and the TianAnMen Massacre

[@chikeh1]

Can you do a how Switzerland became a country even though the ethnic groups have only a few things in common when it grew even when the ethnolinguistic groups started having nation states of their own (Germany, France, Italy)?

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

I guess you skipped the day they tought the ethnic cleansing they did there in the middle ages, and all the Jewish people they would crucify

[@willforlife_]

Great stuff as always thanks for the material and the work you put into this always a pleasure to see what you have put out

[@memestillidie]

Finally someone tells the truth. You never really hear about how the natives sided with the confederacy or how quite a few tribes practiced slavery.

[@randomman9231]

I heard about this in a shitty public school in bumfuck Indiana. Seriously you guys (not you directly) need to pay attention in class

[@Sandlin22]

All practiced slavery and had for 1000s of years

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

There are a lot of weird misconceptions about slavery out there. People tend to see it as inextricably tied to European colonies but the reality is that most societies practiced slavery in one form or another. It would be pretty odd if Natives were somehow different

[@Sandlin22]

@@randomman9231 not all schools use the same books chief. I also went to school in Indiana. Shit town called North Vernon about 30 minutes from Kentucky and our history books mentioned no such thing.

[@SentMyOwnWay]

Tron_23 good thing Indiana exists. People living in fly-over states like that means there’s more room to live in nice places.

[@allenpinnix5241]

00:59 - "you chose poorly" love the crusader knight!!!

[@kittyprydekissme]

One good thing about growing up in Oklahoma is we actually learned about this stuff in school.

[@leodouskyron5671]

They teach that you supported the Confederacy in support is slavery or against the union?

[@Gala-yp8nx]

Aside from the ones mentioned in the video, how various Tribes reacted largely depended on which side of the Mason-Dixon Line they were.

[@NewNicator]

3:20 Aaaaaaay, my favourite ‘Spinning Three Plates’ is still mentioned. :)

[@mattmurray764]

You forgot to mention some of the why... you didn't mention the spaces that native americans recieved in Confederate Congress

[@vAqeii]

The native Americans did, stuff.

[@sachyriel]

Hi I'm stuff

[@ottovonbismarckboi9112]

sachyriel lol u gayyy 😂😂😂😂🤭👌

[@RealFemale69]

Racist

[@ottovonbismarckboi9112]

K boomer

[@ImmortalKombat666]

History is complicated, oh and when you're ripped apart by a settler colonial nation you need to participate in a bit of slavery for a slight increase in food production

[@diamondeye3952]

He should talk about the Minnesota- Sioux War that happened in Minnesota while the civil war was going on.

[@robertrichard6107]

Lincoln really screwed the pooch hanging those folks. That unified more tribes in the end out on the Central Plains, which wasn't a bad thing for them don't get me wrong. White people running the U.S. government since the start wanted slavery since Britain was letting go of it. There was no civilized coherent policy of the white Europeans from the begining with all of the tribes. Broken treaty, after broken treaty, was the norm as each new stage of gas lighting away their land and rights became the white destiny.

[@CarlsoSpiceyWeiner69]

Another outstanding vid. Stand Watie held out his last days just outside my hometown. (Also it is pronounced “Wait-ee”, but no biggie)

[@okieboy7065]

yeah, hearing you mispronounce his name was killin me.

[@swagmanjones_6948]

When will get a 10 minute video again!???

[@SouthernGentleman]

Native American Stand Watie was the last confederate General to stop fighting.

[@aaronmarks9366]

Would the Confederate government have offered him and the other tribes of the Indian territory any significant rewards had they won? Genuinely curious.

[@SouthernGentleman]

Aaron Marks They weren’t mercenaries. They would’ve been offered what they have been owed for enlisting in the Confederate army.

[@benalor1973]

@@SouthernGentleman, That is another reason why they sided with the Confederacy. They would honor treaties with them more than the Union did.

[@aaronmarks9366]

@@SouthernGentleman I guess I meant more in terms of land claims. The Cherokee were from the North Carolina/Tennessee/Georgia border area after all, and the other members of the 5 Civilized Tribes were all from the South. Did the Confederate government offer to repatriate them to their homelands?

[@SouthernGentleman]

Aaron Marks The Confederacy sent Albert Pike to negotiate with the Native Americans and formed alliances. They signed fair treaties and these treaties, the tribes severed their relationships with the federal government, much in the way the southern states did by seceding from the Union. They were accepted into the Confederates States of America, and they sent representatives to the Confederate Congress. The Confederate government promised to protect the Native American’s land holdings and to fulfill the obligations such as annuity payments made by the federal government.

[@boyyladd]

"I own you" Bruh. but also accurate. earned my sub.

[@genbab6989]

On the topic of natives in the Americas, do you know if it would be possible to do a video or two on the Aztecs and the Incas?

[@orikmalka778]

You wanna know more about the 3 gods in JOJO part 2 Speedwagon? Cause i think Van Strohem knows some things about them

[@leonhill8447]

I'd love for him to do a few 10 minute videos on early latin america civilizations.

[@sail2byzantium]

And of course, how all this turned would eventually pave the way for the formation of the state of Oklahoma (part 2, please!), and from where I am typing this now. . Thanks for the wonderful new video today, History Matters!

[@pestilenceplague4765]

I am in Oklahoma as well.

[@sail2byzantium]

@@pestilenceplague4765 Okies unite!

[@jurisprudens]

Sweet home, Oklahoma...

[@pestilenceplague4765]

@@jurisprudens agreed! And I was born in Muskogee, so every time I tell someone that, I get the song sung at me!

[@jurisprudens]

@@pestilenceplague4765 I'm just kidding. ;) I am not even American

[@simpicusmaximus]

I've actually always wondered this but have never been in a position to look it up at the times I remember or think about it. Loved this thank you

[@jacobgeis3576]

One part not mentioned-the Dakota Uprising of 1862. The Dakota tribes in eastern Dakota territory and western Minnesota took advantage of the chaos and attacked white settlements. The Union ended up sending troops and the end result was the defeat of the Dakota and the hanging of 38 Dakota men in Mankato, MN. This was the largest mass execution in US history.

[@AaronOfMpls]

As a Minnesotan who's into history, I'm all too familiar with _that_ war. Even among the Dakota it was controversial; many figured they'd probably still lose and end up even worse off.

[@BarryWillBuck]

I love history, not always pretty but always interesting and a place where knowing means wisdom.

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

History gives perspective and reasons of why we got rid of something in the first place, for example the new wave of the no no party (Mr no no mustache from Germany) people don't even know history because that ideology lead directly to ww2 and the deaths of over 80 million people (some estimates put it well above 120 million)

[@TheMilitantHorse]

A 10 minute history over the Plains War would be a cool video.

[@jamesmacdonald1116]

just look what happened to the Iroquois, even if they helped the side that won, they weren't going to come out well

[@jimmiegiboney2473]

Mark 0:22. Before I view the video, as a Chickasaw Citizen, I feel compelled to state that, I never understood why, that just because CC thought that he had found India rather than North America, that calling the native population, "Indians", would be allowed to last for centuries, with the correction efforts being only a relatively recent movement. Also, since I did view the former "NBC" sitcom, "Outsourced", I wonder how actual Indians, feel about it. On a related note, I know that the citizens or residents of, Lesbos Isle, who are called, "Lesbians", resent that others use that term to refer to, or to describe, female homosexuals, and want people to stop doing so. But in the sitcom, the Indians asked their Caucasian boss, why Native Americans, resent being called, "Indians". Without thinking through his answer, he replied that it is a derogatory term, and that hurt his employees' feelings. Well, actually, people need to use labels to identify everything. So if you are going to use them, just have the courtesy to use the correct ones, and also, don't use labels as insults to people that aren't such, so that the people who are such, won't have their feelings hurt! 🤔

[@SuperSaiyaGinge]

When you really think about it, everyone in history at one point or other did something horrible to someone else. No one country is truly innocent or humane really.

[@AlexanderRM1000]

Well, many countries have existed for less than 200 years, mostly since just WW2. Some of those haven't had a chance to have their governments do horrible things yet. Pretty much everyone has many, many ancestors who did terrible things though.

[@nicopavvi8494]

Maybe San Marino

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

@@AlexanderRM1000 just because a country may be only a couple hundred years old doesnt mean the people are that young, most of the peoples who make up said countries have been around ALOT longer than just 200 years, bohemians(modern day czech republic) have been around since atleast the time of Charlemagne (as he wrote about such peoples in that particular area) and most likely longer, so the czech Republic is very very young but the people that make up that Republic have been around for at a minimum 1200 years

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

@@AlexanderRM1000 Homo homini lupus, Latin for "man is wolf to man"

[@keetoowah2213]

As a Cherokee myself I can say this is pretty accurate, but I have some critiques. Really all it is is that not all native Americans sided with the confederacy the keetoowah tribe which is an offspring of the Cherokee was a major union tribe which made a civil war in the Cherokees which has made ripples to this day, but that's really all. Also its way-tie not what-tie 😅

[@adamsfusion]

I like involving Native American history in more American History topics. They're sort of portrayed as a bastion of good will at all times who ultimately always got the shaft due to their noble sacrifices and hated the Americans, but that's a really simplified over-exaggeration. It detracts from their rich history, which is just as diverse, beautiful, and horrific as European and Asian history with all sorts of legends and massacres of their own. Even when European settlers arrived and Americans ended up the nation on land, tribes still fought to have primary access to these colonials in order to create preferential trade routes. For some, this lead to the lessening of the burden to hunt sparse resources, and for others was a way to stock up on more advanced military hardware in order to dominate in inter-tribal warfare. That "first-contact" is an entire chapter in history that is incredibly fascinating to me especially from the tribal side.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

There were also Southern Natives who battled the Confederacy as well.

[@Spongebrain97]

They basically fought on both sides. Same for Mexican americans

[@dexterzplace5553]

@@Spongebrain97 yea when they say it was a civil war, it was more or less a true split down the middle for most, except the blacks

[@tr1084]

@@dexterzplace5553 There were even blacks that fought for the Confederacy, though not as much as the Union freeman regiments.

[@RKNGL]

@@dexterzplace5553 Far more natives sided with the CSA then joined the Union.

[@Spongebrain97]

@@tr1084 the actual number of blacks who fought for the south is very very low. I think it was like less than 50. This was because most southern leaders and generals were against the idea of arming blacks. It wasnt until the south was about to lose that they changed their minds but it was too late. Any blacks in the confederate military did not see combat and were relegated to menial tasks

[@txspyrate4446]

You totally left out the Sioux wars against the US in 1863-65. Resulting in the forced use of confederate prisoners of war to fight the Natives in Minnesota / Iowa. The losses pushed the Sioux even further west.

[@Sikh__history]

Feel bad for native Americans.

[@hellenicboy4757]

I don't

[@bilfa98]

@@hellenicboy4757 I also don't feel bad about the greeks who lost shit tons of land

[@hellenicboy4757]

@@bilfa98 Good for you bud, at least we have our own country unlike native americans lol.

[@raptorfromthe6ix833]

@@hellenicboy4757 why they just want to be left alone :(

[@dariusgreysun]

*Amerinds. Paleo-men were the actual native Americans displaced by the migrating "native americans" that they are called today. Archaeology doesn't give a shit about wokeness

[@MightyElo]

I never knew that native Americans owned slaves. That is an eye openner.

[@j.j.9511]

And refused to give them land and resources as part of a treaty they had with the US government & kicked them out of the tribes to keep from sharing it with them. And didn't free them when they were told to. The uploader purposely didn't mention all that.

[@j2dragon109]

​@@j.j.9511 No, he didn't mention it because it wasn't really relevent (and you can't fucking mention everything in a short youtube video). I mean they have slaves either way, their land was taken from them either way. You acting like this little bit of triva changes anything.

[@CausticSpace]

Every culture has owned slaves lol

[@Narekz]

Even black people owned slaves.

[@elliecherise1968]

And after the Confederates lost the Indians were also forced to sell their territories at a reduced rate to the federal government. So they both lost.

[@rapier25]

“You chose poorly” is one of my favorite sight gags on this channel 😂.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

“These divisions ripped many tribes apart, and led to many families fighting for both sides.” When it comes to the American Civil War, this was true of everyone. As they say: the floor here is made of floor.

[@borristhebutcher6632]

Would love for you to cover more about the split in the Cherokee tribe that happened.

[@SeekerofTruths]

I was just thinking about googling this lately. Thankfully you did my research for me lol.

[@capncake8837]

SeekerOfTruths I actually learned about it two years ago from history class.

[@jayredding8343]

Please do more Native American videos, I absolutely love Ben and they help me so much with my exams. I seriously appreciate it

[@Oujouj426]

The "and then it got worse" should really be removed from Russia and applied to Native Americans.

[@justnoob8141]

Or jewish, or polish

[@pronumeral1446]

Or Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. But yeah it does seem fitting.

[@Oujouj426]

@@justnoob8141 Not polish either, they had their very powerful times as a massive country for a few centuries, exerting that power on other people groups around them and inside their borders. Silesians got the same treatment as Poland and then some, passed around like a blunt in the middle ages. Sorbians have, to my knowledge, never had any kind of polity, and been just germanized forever.

[@pamsp]

In Argentina, during the cup of 2002 when Brazil faced England, a sport's magazine run the cover "Que Percan Los Dos" "May both lose". I get a feeling that the natives felt like that...

[@bigdogbourne]

Appreciate a topic on this subject just wish it was longer literally only covered part of the Cherokee, the part that fought with the south Edit: yes I'm a card carrying choctaw, would you do a video of the codetalkers? The choctaw code talkers of WWI

[@Numba003]

I quite enjoyed the Indiana Jones 3 reference in there with the knight looming behind Lincoln at 1:00. Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊

[@anthonylegore1517]

He chose poorly

[@A_Sturm]

This is related with my presentation topic in college. Always want to know US history from natives American perspective. Thank you for this

[@fake._]

Let the spirit of Native Americans live on

[@RaijinX9Mokuzai]

Their Spirit Will Always Live On.

[@Paul_The_Spaceman]

"All slaves owned by natives" i never knew that happened, weird how that does not get brought up now.

[@gumdeo]

it doesn't fit the narrative.

[@j2dragon109]

Are Native Americans aren't talked much about at all though?

[@thefutureisnowoldman7653]

Because funding public schools are socialism

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

They're not black so no.

[@BlackMaleSpirituality]

Interesting topic. I never thought about this aspect of the Civil War before.

[@spikemiller3044]

I am Wichita, Comanche and Kiowa and and so you can tell their not the civilized tribes...we just fought for our lives like any brave warrior would for his family and anyone of you would've done the same so I am against slavery and thought it was one of America's greatest sinful mistakes EVER!! and none of my tribes sided with the confederacy or owned slaves...we just tried to survive the best we could...and still do today

[@joandarc441]

Pretty much both political parties used you guys

[@spikemiller3044]

@@joandarc441 so is this like a smartass remark??

[@joandarc441]

​@@spikemiller3044 hey men both parties never give a crap with someone in reality it's about money 💰 plus both sides switched sides

[@ahmedmuawia2447]

Are You British Mate? just asking great video as always and very interesting because it's quite an overlooked subject. I wonder what did the European Power (All of them not only France and Britain) do during the American Civil War. I mean did the Russian Empire, Spian, Austria and the Ottoman Empire say anything or did they just sat there and watch. Also South America How did South America countries respond to the war?

[@garrettallen7427]

Ahmed Muawia I can answer 2 of your questions. I don’t know about Spain Austria or the Ottomans but the Russians stayed neutral but secretly gave supplies to the Union because they were afraid of British influence and possible annexation of there Alaskan colony. As for how the South American nations felt I know that prior to the Civil War the American government was on the brink of war with Peru over Islands with a large amount of fertilizer (in the form of bird excrement) so they were probably very relieved to not have to fight them.

[@ahmedmuawia2447]

@@garrettallen7427 ohh yeah the Cold War thing (Before the Popular Reboot) between Russia and Britain also known as the Great Game I think? anyhow they also may have done it only to stick it for Britain for fighting them with Ottomans and French.

[@garrettallen7427]

Ahmed Muawia yeah that’s right the Great Game, I don’t know if they specifically gave Alaska to the Americans over Crimea but it makes sense.

[@ahmedmuawia2447]

@@garrettallen7427 I was more talking about helping the Union, Alaska was given to America because it felt convenient at the time.

[@garrettallen7427]

Ahmed Muawia ah i see, well it rather was given the alternative of having it fall into British hands

[@sandrajones8245]

What I like about your videos is no bs!

[@youngking2503]

It seems as if every video about Natives just ends depressingly

[@ElBandito]

Union troops getting raided: This must be the work of an enemy, Stand!

[@MicahScottPnD]

I can tell there is much worthwhile knowledge coming from this video/channel. Now if only i could tell if you say "should" or "shouldn't", etc. It changes the information quite a bit if a person says "we should get into the war" versus "we shouldn't get into the war". But i can't tell what is being said in a number of points in the video. I can tell you know your content very well; i just can't understand the words very well. Perhaps that's a "my problem", but perhaps not. Maybe some instances could be said a different way, like "should not" instead of "shouldn't". Excellent content, can't understand it all. Please keep your channel going.

[@aperson22222]

It's not accurate to say that the Five Civilized Tribes all sided with the Rebs. For instance, the Cherokee leadership alternated between trying to stay out of it and trying to support the Union. The Rebs armed the faction of the tribe that was friendly to them, and these waged guerrilla war against the rest of the Cherokee, pushing the pro-Union leaders into exile. Some pro-Rebel members sought to take advantage of this by calling for a special election to make Watie Principal Chief, but this was illegitimate. He had neither popular nor legal support in his claim to the title.

[@hukllankanchis1575]

Aside from Native descendants being so passive aggressive, I don't understand why European Americans are so defensive in these topics. Look no one is, or atleast shouldn't be guilt tripping you. This is all in the past. I personally want our people to be friends, we are currently in the same boat, we are fighting to preserve our people's essence.

[@steveclark5206]

Imagine them seeing what “brothers vs brothers” were willing to do to each other during the Civil War and having any doubt of how they were going to end being treated once the government got around to dealing with them?

[@HSMiyamoto]

You left out the Dakota Uprising in Minnesota.

[@DblOSmith]

Wow, native american tribes owned slaves and fought for the confederacy. You never hear that when they talk about "we stand on native land and we must honor them" during graduations and such these days.

[@qsr1776]

Yeah, and everyone in that time owned slaves, even african americans

[@playdischord1791]

Many tribes also sided with the Union, were neutral, or not involved with the war.

[@sylvainduret9880]

That "Soon" is insane !

[@ecoquietlawncare2258]

My girlfriend accidentally clicked “dislike” and it said “feedback shared with the creator.” Just letting you know she did not do this on purpose. We very much liked the video.

[@drsous70]

Thanks for the honest history. The Natives were correcr to not trust the government. Their promises were rarely kept.

[@ArtyKibbles2190]

And there would have been quite a bit of theme that remembered the trail of tears so they’d still be quite mad.

[@inconnu4961]

I think this is more of a british philosophy, as the French didnt seem to have the same kind of issues with the First Nations as the British did! In fact, everywhere the British went, they got along poorly with the native population WHEN they had that power.

[@helwrecht1637]

I’m convinced history matters thinks you his videos by going to a pub with some mates and just waits until someone asks a good enough question

[@jeffdege4786]

Nothing about the Dakota Uprising of 1862, in Minnesota?

[@jeffdege4786]

Certainly with a video, but really a separate topic.

[@Mirokuofnite]

Do a video on Biafra!

[@Leon-zu1wp]

Stand Watie and John Ross is basically the best example of two of the same character with drastically different ideologies on a subject.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

Always remember, nations don't have permanent friends, or permanent enemies, only permanent interests.

[@PugilistCactus]

meanwhile the US is still mad at Russia... You sure?

[@Cobbido]

Odd how nothing of this is taught in schools.

[@footballnick2]

Because our school books and curriculum are written by northerners who turn the civil war in a battle between good vs evil than seeing that it's actually complicated and not that way at all.

[@ArtyKibbles2190]

I am a native and one of my history teachers was talking about another history teacher who wasn’t native say he doesn’t talk about the thing to do with natives because “it doesn’t matter”.

[@oliversherman2414]

I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!!