What does Kai Havertz actually do?

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Kai Havertz has played for three separate Champions League teams, won the Champions League with Chelsea, and cost Arsenal €75million. Is he a number 10? Is he a number 8? Is he a striker?
What does he actually do?
Sam Tighe explains.
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#Arsenal #PremierLeague #Havertz

[@AngoGoblogian]

As an arsenal fan, I was and remain excited by the potential, but struggle with the logic of the signing given the price tag and player’s form. This video’s analysis only further confirms my confusion. If we were willing to spend 60mil, surely a slightly bigger outlay on Tonali (who has more backwards /retreating defense aptitude), or Diaby (who has been in greater attacking / creative / goal scoring form) would’ve been better signings at similar prices. Likewise, Maddison, whom we’ve been linked with before, was gettable for 20 mil less, and has more demonstrated success as a versatile attacking mid / winger in the prem, with the skills to operate as a false 9 if needed. Given that we already have Nketiah who can play traditional striker, and Trossard to function as a false 9 / depth winger, 60 mil seems a very exorbitant gamble for us. I understand how his physical profile elements potentially help our aerial dominance and Arteta’s apparent desire to build a more physically imposing side… but surely if we were gambling on potential, Szobozolai (to whom we’ve also had prior links) would’ve ticked the same boxes coming off better form? Idk… fingers crossed!!!

[@sigfigronath]

szobalsai is a great player that couldve actually filled in ngl, very good in that left hand side also. Excellent technique with dead balls. Tall as well.

[@AngoGoblogian]

@@sigfigronath exactly, totally agree. And fans would’ve been more patient with him, regardless of price tag, because of the potential and how long we’ve been linked. Kai signing just seems like a recipe for disaster if he doesn’t get early results.

[@bendagostino2217]

It was a ridiculous signing. There's no 2 ways about it.

[@skp8748]

​@@bendagostino2217no. 6'4 aerial threat with great positioning

[@rakletXV]

Not an arsenal fan, but IMO the best postion for Havertz would be Odegaards position. It's difficult to imagine how Odegaard and Havertz playing at the same time would benefit each one to the maximum. As a team it seems to work but individually I don't think so.

[@JannyLW]

Kai’s job is just beach.

[@pantrywarriors9577]

Very good

[@serbu4169]

Will it be kenough?

[@JannyLW]

@@serbu4169 When he adapts to his role in Arteta’s system, he will be Kainough.

[@therealking6202]

​@@JannyLWkaI don't know if he havertz it takes.

[@block_sys]

Kai's job is just bench

[@creasicle]

It's such an interesting transfer for a number of reasons. Firstly, I'm not convinced he was what we needed and given Chelsea clearly wanted rid of him I think we overpaid. What's really interesting for me, though, is that this transfer is basically Arsenal saying we don't think Chelsea know what they're doing and they're such a mess that they can artificially make players look bad. His confidence does look shot and I'm really hopeful that he can recover his best form. Not just for Arsenal's sake but as a lesson to Chelsea that you can't buy players, play them out of position in a toxic environment of managerial changes and players being traded like shares on the stock market and expect any level of footballing success.

[@william22226]

Watched him since the Bundesliga days, as a Chelsea fan, I have to say his talent was completely wasted by us. I still stood by him and hope he shines and become the talent we wish him to be.

[@Chelvam-so4qh]

In your opinion what is the ideal position for him to play?

[@alex0O0O]

​@@Chelvam-so4qhI am also a chelsea fan and I believe he's like Muller No certain position but like near the front attackers Attracting the opposite team towards him and passing it to the nearest player So that it creates a chance for the fast dribblers to go near the goal box

[@florian.7777]

@@alex0O0O He also played some matches as #9 (rather: false #9) in the last matches of his last season in Leverkusen. He played well, he scored goals (including headed goals). But he played it because we didn't have another fitting #9 for our ball possession playing style of coach Peter Bosz. He didn't choose Alario because of his lacking technical skills and lacking passing skills. Volland who usually played the false #9 was injured. Havertz can play the false #9, because of his technical skills and passing skills. He can score goals, including headed goals. But it's a waste of his skills to use him on this position. However, the main problem of Havertz in Chelsea and now at Arsenal should be the psychological aspect. Maybe it's too much pressure. Like it was at the beginning of his last season in Leverkusen, when fans and club expected him to carry the team on his own, when he as the star of the team was the scapegoat of the fans after bad matches of the whole team. Later on, in the whole second half of the season, he played great.

[@florian.7777]

@@Chelvam-so4qh I'd say that the lazy body language of Havertz is part of his great style, and on the other hand the reason why he's seen so critical by many football fans. He reminds me completely of Berbatov. Brillant first touch, genius ideas, scores the most difficult goals week after week. And then you see him in other scenes and you wonder how that guy could play professional football. Scoring the difficult goals, missing the easy ones. Acting lazy. Giving the impression of not moving on the field and still Havertz was the player with the highest distance covered in most of his matches in Leverkusen (Berbatov also had higher distance covered statistics than other strikers in Leverkusen, although he appeared as lazy as possible).

[@Chelvam-so4qh]

@@florian.7777 thanks for these great replies

[@grantnoble2753]

i feel like this is the best analysis of Kai that i have seen yet. well done

[@Shad0w5carab]

The lack of dynamism is the biggest point you made for me. Xhaka was never an incredible athlete, yes he was physically strong but not fast or explosive and yet last season he made the extra effort when opportunities arose to have those little bursts and that’s what drove the team forward and got him those goals. Havertz has shown in the past he’s capable of doing so to great effect but at the moment he’s not even looking for those opportunities, let alone taking them when they come. It’s not a lack of ability, it’s a lack of effort and mindset and that is inexcusable for a professional athlete imo. Until he sorts it out he does not deserve a place in this team.

[@Athena_208]

Agree well said.

[@Octographyy]

Very well said

[@xander3486]

i think that while at chelsea he did struggle offensively Tuchel turned every one of the forwards into phenomenal pressers.

[@Marinucas]

Great video. His potential when he played for Leverkusen was obvious. Hope Arteta can turn his luck around. Would be good for him, Arsenal and the disastrous German national team.

[@stnbch3025]

Yeah sure. Keep pretending he has potential and ignoring seasons of facts he's not that good.

[@corgansow6173]

He can either turn Havertz around or he's going to turn out like Harry Maguire.

[@nst_chipz3243]

hes good for germany

[@Marinucas]

@@nst_chipz3243 better than he was for Chelsea, yes, for sure. Which shows that it's a lot about how he's used in a system and his confidence in the context. But there's still a lot of potential and his performances at Leverkusen were just so good and promising back then.

[@hnaku8748]

Not trying to be biased here but he also dipped for Germany recently. Also the German NT has a history of players actually being better for them than the club, Miroslav Klose the prime example. Add to that Chelsea literally had a German manager who he won the UCL with. But later was not good enough for. So I don't buy that side of the argument. However, I do think he's a better player than what he showed last season. But will that player arise out of playing in central midfield? I have my doubts but we'll see. Lampard tried him there before( and even as a winger!) but it was a nah nah, both for him and us.

[@jordie1900]

Havertz is a half space filler, he doesn’t need a lot of dynamism to get into a good space because most of the time he is already there! Brilliant spatial awareness both in front and behind, similar to Martin. His teammates need to trust him more, give him the ball at the earliest opportunity and run off him. Simple! Seriously the amount of times I’m like “give the ball to Kai” but they don’t. He is shaping up to turn and press into a goal scoring opportunity and They just don’t give him the ball. Look at the stat of how much ground he covers per game. It’s not a confidence issue but a trust one, and hopefully that will come with time, jeez we’re three games in!

[@majormononoke8958]

Actually similar to Messi at PSG

[@CrabSully]

United are similar with Mount. He's getting into spaces and just not getting used. It's really frustrating.

[@abaddon6579]

Chemistry, it will come with time.

[@wobbled5609]

Honestly noticed this as well, they almost seem to be avoiding him...

[@AnthonyBadenSaggers]

I see a deep sadness in Havertz, I think his experience at Chelsea has really effected his self-belief and his enjoyment of life. I think he needs the Arsenal fans to get behind him, and I'm sure he'll start to come out of his shell and repay Arteta's faith in him.

[@patrickbateman882]

I think we'll see more from him once Zinchenko returns. Havertz was quite decent in pre-season with Timber playing LB and got a couple of goals as well. Sure, it was pre-season and the quality of the opposition wasn't as good as PL clubs but he will be better with time as his confidence improves as well. Personally, I still wish we had signed someone else with that money.

[@marvenpraisoody6822]

he was great against Barcelona

[@papadavie8460]

Arsenal will concede 50+ goals of Havertz continues to play😅😅

[@superchacho777]

@@marvenpraisoody6822 Barca was also just starting their pre-season and had just recovered from a squad-wide stomach issue.

[@전유현-l7x]

​@@marvenpraisoody6822barca is weak these days

[@sreeradhmuch]

Nice to see Aaron ramsdale do a video about his teammate

[@patsonzgambo9672]

he reminds me a lot of mario gotze. offensive players that do a bit of everything up top. the other one that comes to mind is thomas muller (unfortunately for gotze at bayern). i think he would play well with a forward that stretches defenses. unfortunately that would mean arsenal playing with nketiah and odegaard playing a bit deeper.

[@mpinto79]

Playing without the ball is the toughest skill to learn and implement, and no one does better than Kai, he is the best in the league at that, look at West Ham vs Brighton, 22% possession but they won because they played really well without having the ball

[@adventurerwannabe]

Here we go...the space invaders are back

[@emkayunder_2609]

Kai is best at that false position as he can be a nuisance to defenders but he is just not a stat guy the game against crystal palace showed what he does best ,he's not the perfect false nine but he'll not disappear when playing that role..anyone who thinks he is a number 10 is just crazy the guy has 0 creativity

[@CJ_Yo_]

One of the biggest issues in my opinion is that Arsenal have two undroppable wingers, and Odegaard is captain. So, to tweak the team to fit Havertz as the second striker, or to be one of two tens and still have width is near enough impossible.

[@elr492]

It's almost as if the everyone forgot how a second striker plays. Surpising, even in the former land of the 442. That is his position. He was lucked out to be born out of his time. Most coaches don't play two strikers anymore (especially positional play coaches). Sames goes with Muller, who's basically a less esthetic, but much more efficient Haavertz.

[@edwardthe_22]

I disagree, Robin Van Persie was the exact same and adapted him game to play as a lone striker

[@abiodunoni420]

Watching this video 5 months later and reading the comments with a cup of tea. Interesting...

[@Axl124124]

I will add though in terms of dynamism. Arsenal has that problem just in the way they play . We keep cycling the ball left and right and don't put in too many cutting ball to players making runs. Our defacto method seems to be get the ball to martinelli and saka on each side and keep the pressure going and eventually the team will break down. Martinelli won like 9 corners against united last week. I see so many time the players not making passes through the lines were runners are going. We really need to get better at that. I thought jorginho and vieira do that the best and that is why we are trying to involve vieira more. Odegaard for all the praise he gets isn't like cesc playing balls between the lines. He has become exception at pressing, ball retention and scoring from midfield but Arsenal players need to be making more runs and the Arsenal players need to be playing more balls between the lines forward rather just moving the ball right and left to the wingers all the time.

[@HabitualLine-Stepper]

I've never heard anyone introduce Messi or Ronaldo as having 'scored the winning goal in a Champions League final...' That is not a mark of greatness at all... I was in Paris when Belletti scored the winning goal for Barcelona against Paris with Henry and Ronaldinho on the pitch.

[@gentleken7864]

Havertz will come good, but I don't agree with Arteta's idea to play him into the team. Havertz is a really good player, but he needs time. Not to be thrust into a team that is suffering from Arteta tinkering too much.

[@duk210]

chelsea fans said the same

[@ousman997]

Overthinking is currently hitting us hard

[@david91lvb]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stnbch3025]

That tinkering has a name: Havertz.

[@paaklapi]

How much time is he going to need? He had plenty of it at Chelsea, and he never came good there. At this point I'm extremely sceptical that Havertz will ever live up to his price tag.

[@mdanisimathonsi4849]

He should have stayed at Chelsea given the current system they are using. He'd get to play as a #10 behind Jackson and provide competition for Nkunku but that's in another universe not this one

[@tomasgomez1906]

I think pochettino was fine with keeping him but arsenal's offer was just too good to refuse

[@onamiofficial]

Havertz left just because his bestfriend Kova and Mount left too

[@benjaminstacy-jq9ek]

i think what many football fans don’t get it that isn’t just about goals and assist. at some point he does need to get on the board but he opens up our wingers to a new level and by the 5-7 game you’ll start to see it im sure if it

[@matthenley3886]

*What he does:* I’m still not sure *What he doesn’t do:* Burst

[@davek6415]

When signing Havertz, the prediction was that he would play primarily as a number 8. In other words, a replacement for Xhaka, but with more attacking focus. Still waiting for that last bit. When signing Rice, the prediction was also that he would play primarily as a number 8. In other words, a replacement for Xhaka, but with better defensive and attacking strengths. Because Havertz lacks the defensive skills, he is more suited to playing as a second number 10. But that is Viera's ideal role too (and Trossard's). And right now, they are both better at it. Let's hope Havertz quickly learns how the Arsenal system works, and regains his 'wonderkid' form. If not, the money would have been better spent on a backup right winger.

[@didierrodriguez8778]

I think he is suffering the same thing that happened to Griezmann in Barcelona. They send him lower on the pitch, and took a more defensive role. It’s not that Griezmann lost his creative talent overnight. But just like Havertz, you sacrifice freedom. Because you cannot leave your position unattended. Specially not with Rice who has more offensive qualities, rather than pure defending. (which is why, I think Edson Alvarez is a better fit at West Ham)

[@nathanrockman4640]

what's funny is that Havertz could definitely fit into the current chelsea team and play in his favored 10 position, kind of like what we were seeing with nkunku in preseason

[@Talk3rs]

Nope, lets be happy he is gone.

[@DreamtOfSleep]

he's not remotely creative enough or prolific enough from distance to be a 10. his best attacking attributes is his strength and making runs behind, unless he plays as a second striker off another lead striker which chelsea don't have.

[@andreasgamperl9583]

@@DreamtOfSleepyou have no idea how he would be as a CAM, he never got to play there at Chelsea Prem fans now judge him based off what? That he didn’t play cam therefore he definitely can’t?

[@DreamtOfSleep]

​@andreasgamperl9583 its about attributes. havertz's role has never been a CAM, he's always played off the striker even at Leverkusen, unless you strictly mean it positionally like in FIFA. to be a modern day 10 is completely different from what Havertz's role even calls for, and what he has played as at both Leverkusen and Chelsea.

[@andreasgamperl9583]

⁠@@DreamtOfSleepplaying off a striker but deeper, for the lack of a better word, that’s a CAM, maybe a deeper second striker Chelsea’s offense was atrocious, zero chemistry between the players and their strengths, but the blame that havertz gets is disproportionate He was misused constantly and the fans wonder where his confidence and consistency went… Also funny how Chelsea fans blame their bad coaches at times, Lampard, Tuchel, Potter, but never draw the connection that bad coaching leads to bad player development

[@brittyz]

He’s our modern Thomas muller. We don’t know what he does but he finds space. We won’t see his full potential just as yet. But I’m so glad he’s not our problem anymore. If Havertz just finishes 45% of his chances ppl won’t be asking these questions so often.

[@VilladsBk]

Great video, puts my disappointment with him into words, and also makes me understand how he plays best. But it does seem like a lot of the issues can be changed, he just needs to get better in defense and find form as well as confidence

[@ReissTheDonBailey]

Odegaard was also a wonder kid with wasted potential until arteta worked with him. Bargain price at 30 mil. Hopefully he can do the same with Kai 🙏

[@teholly1297]

Confidence can be rediscovered - he will come good

[@radlercycles5482]

Essentially Kai is more or less a modern version of Thomas müller, who called himself a “raumdeuter”(space interpreter). I believe he could do better when he has the ability to exploit spaces between the lines, I think using him as a center forward or a false 9 would let him bloom.

[@therealking6202]

Holy crap no. Muller is short and can actually finish. From anywhere. Under any circumstances. The guy was amazing.

[@Allschmoi]

So you think he would bloom in the role he was used in at Chelsea? Interesting take considering that it obviously did not work the past few years. He is also no way close to playing like Müller. That's absurd if you actually compare what they are doing on the pitch

[@jacobalexander4167]

​@@therealking6202you're comparing the fully grown Muller to the Muller in havertz age, because he too faced the same problems then, what does Muller actually do

[@Jack-nr1nn]

Well he played very well against dortmund, with a bit more space for him to exploit, since he’s clearly not as good as it as the master, Muller. I feel he’d be really good back in the bundesliga

[@imo098765]

@@jacobalexander4167 You mean a Muller at age 24 that had 39G/A in 40 games of minutes? or the 23 year Muller who had 40G/A in 39 games of minutes or are you talking about him playing for Germany at 23years old having 8 G/A in 7 games at the world cup 2014 which was key to them winning? Still trying to figure out which which version of Muller you speaking of? Because Havertz is nothing compared to him

[@davidbowen6284]

It really doesn't matter if he has an upturn in confidence & form. He's shown a frailty in how poor he can be when lacking confidence. That's been ongoing for 3 years. How can you base reliance on those characteristics and expect it to enhence rhe overall consistent quality of your team.

[@rheinhardtgrafvonthiesenha8185]

Never have I ever been so wrong about a player. When he was with Leverkusen I was convinced he was a future Ballon D’or winner. Thought his trajectory was better than Haaland who was still with Salzburg at the time. Havertz literally has it all. Big, strong, fast with amazing technique. He just lacks IT. He has no fortitude, or drive or fire in his belly. I feel like I could push him off the ball and he’d just accept it.

[@kevnev342]

Kai needs to Play a free “Múller” role, that’s when he shine brightest

[@krandlez]

its unfortunate what's happening to Ramsdale now Raya is in the team... presenting for TIFO IRL

[@Dabbtrabb]

This must be the fifth video on Kai from Tifo this month. Leave it alone. We''ll see after he settles.

[@Meedster08]

He also played a decent amount of midfield minutes at Chelsea

[@morgengabe1]

He left leverkusen too soon. Imagine how he could've developed under Alonso. imo, he never really seemed like a prem player. His old highlight reels were sick but many of the players who've succeeded playing his positions didn't really do it the same way he did, imo. He trades in what they offer in terms of physicality and explosiveness and opts for planning and technique. Too subtle for the english game, kids like him always used to get picked last (of kids who actually like football) by captains in PE. He has almost no flare. Very talented and will probably make a decent manager some day though.

[@BritishReign]

He needs to be played as left back…left back in the changing rooms

[@rydmerlin]

Pretty much the same as Antony but less flash.

[@abaddon6579]

I think he will thrive more in an open game. The first 3 PL games he played, all teams were in a low block. Forest even 1-0 down defended with 10 men behind the ball. There simply was no space what so ever. And the whole team hasnt really created much since the opposition defends so deep and so with so many men behind the ball, I think the whole team will play better vs United today, since hopefully they wont just sit back.

[@panchosvillos]

What he actually did today was kick thin air.

[@MegaYostar]

Chelsea did misuse Havertz, but surprisingly he probably would’ve benefited from playing under pochetino now, he’d play in his favoured 10 role, will be able to roam and enter dangerous spaces and score

[@thelimey351]

As a Gooner I thought that Havertz was a truly poor signing - & so far Havertz hasn’t lived up to even that…

[@nasaali1]

Kai's job is fooling big clubs into buying him.

[@franciscunningham1939]

When does his bayer season get recognised as a one season wonder...

[@celphmade1742]

It was 2 seasons but yeah. It’s gonna take some serious numbers to change people’s minds at this point

[@2639theboss]

He had one season where he massively overperformed his xG, but all of his other numbers stayed the same. Even with that season included, hes only had 2 seasons of more than 10 goals and only 2 seasons of 5 assists or more. This is his 8th season. Things like his shot on target rates were actually the same or better when he played at Chelsea. And their own stat display shows he cant carry the ball, doesnt play defense, cant score, and only passes well. And even thats diminished because by playing him, youre taking out another player who could probably generate five assists themselves. So unless he has another season with an xEG difference of 5, youre getting 10 goals and 5 assists best case scenario for 75 million.

[@celphmade1742]

@@2639thebossI’m sure clubs see something in him other than what you’re saying. If he was that poor, you wouldn’t have clubs like Madrid/Bayern/Chelsea/Arsenal sniffing around him. Unfortunately until he starts putting up meaningful stats, he’ll always underachieve. You can paint a player any way you like cherry picking stats that aren’t G/A.

[@2639theboss]

​​@@celphmade1742If Madrid and Bayern wanted him, he would be playing there. But, 4 years ago, it makes sense teams like those or Chelsea were interested. He was 20 years old, had seen two seasons of great production for a mid-table side and it was easy to think that he could round out his game with experience. Now, hes 24, those 2 seasons look like complete outliers, with only one season of elite production from 8, it looks like that season was entirely due to luck because he hasnt replicated it despite playing similar minutes and producing similar advanced statistics. Im not sure you understand what cherry picking actually means. What stat did i cherry pick?

[@celphmade1742]

@@2639theboss clearly didn’t rate him at the price Chelsea wanted which I can understand. To suggest elite clubs would pay huge sums ‘hoping’ he reaches the same heights as that 1/2 seasons is very naive, which is what you’re doing. He clearly does something that clubs value outside of G/A, or at least shows enough to make them believe he’s worth investing in. Ultimately he flopped at Chelsea, we all know that, but you’re basing your whole opinion on that spell. He’s had 3 games in an Arsenal shirt, he’s still young enough to flourish. Needs to be given a chance.

[@mohammadamirul8818]

good replacement for thomas muller as randeumter (space finding) at bayern

[@yungtrashlord]

nothing more appropriate than to see aaron ramsdale himself talk about kai havertz in tifo irl

[@Talk3rs]

Wow. From CFC fan perspective - we tried him deeper. A lot of times, I would actually argue, that 63% is wrong, because he might have been put there in lineup, but he was playing all around the field. In 3-4-3 he was often dropping deeper or to the side and his the striker role was taken by other player - be it Felix/Sterling last year or Puli/Werner the year before. Under Lampard he played mostly lower and it was disaster. Basically the answer why he ended as "a striker" with us is not just about failure with Lukaku/Auba, but as well because he was just bad everywhere else, so we had to put him up there.

[@andreasgamperl9583]

So your coaches had no idea how to use him and threw him at every position? Why even buy him in the first place? That’s how you kill a players potential, constant changes, different tactics and coaches and different expectations for every season How is he supposed to be a CM, a winger, a CF and a ST and perform at every position? He never played any of these positions before, except maybe CF He’s a CAM and RM

[@hb3393]

Exactly, no mention of the fact that lampard also played him as an 8 in his first spell and Kai was not up to it at all

[@Gooninguntildie]

I was expecting more than this from Tifo's analysis, so I'm a bit disappointed. Arsenal don't just see Kai as a LAM, he was the tip of the 3-4-3 diamond in the Forest game for example. I think Arteta is clearly intent on using him as an extra striker in the box. This fits his skillset and makes up for the lack of height in our attack as our strikers are on the shorter side. He could have scored at least one goal and one assist against Fulham. Iirc Arsenal had the most touches inside the opposition box last season. And that trend has continued into the current season. Imagine, last season we didn't have a big, tall attacker in the box. We scored a lot of low cut-back goals, but we couldn't put up crosses. I'm not saying Kai will be an automatic success at Arsenal, but I can understand what Arteta was attracted to in him.

[@philmoe]

Thats where Toney comes in. Someone we dont have to teach on how to play with aggression. Kai literally had a uncovered tap in from 10 ft but chose not stop running against fulham

[@Gooninguntildie]

⁠@@philmoeHe definitely seems to have some confidence issues, doesn't he? He could do with being a little more assertive. But I don't think of Kai as a proper 9, and neither does Mikel. And since he's our player anyway, it seems pointless to compare him to other possible options.

[@Sh0rtsYT]

@@GooninguntildieHe could do with an ACL injury so We don’t have to watch him play again this year

[@philmoe]

@@Gooninguntildie I was speaking on what you said about our need to get some height in the attacking side of the team. That's why I mentioned Toney. As of Kai I blame more of it on Mikel bc hes supposed to get a confident version of Kai through the training ground. Were not supposed to be saying this about a guy who has major skills but also hurting the teams output

[@markpotter544]

Yeah 3 4 3 cruyff good one, nice dream but not with havertz, good luck with his defensive duties, especially alongside zinchenko, so we paid 65 mlb for a passenger who will just make runs in the box and win headers, especially when we nerd cover in other areas, luxury player (ozil anyone, but wt ozil or Auba impact - at least we knew what we were getting there)

[@alexluckoo55]

Pretty much exactly what dele alli use to do … problem is. Teams don’t play like that anymore

[@alextee2005]

I think the analysis is good, but did not consider the times that Havertz had been in good positions but the ball didn't arrive as Mikel had said. I spotted one instance where he was in acres of space in the left half-space but the ball wasn't played to him during the Fulham game. Arsenal immediately lost possession after that.

[@jlirving]

I support Kai and fully expect that he will prove the doubters wrong. The pressure is on and as a professional, it's his job to work through it but I don't like this attitude everyone has. An absolutely entitled fan base, they are going to ruin this player. We should be spending all our energy hyping this guy up, encouraging him and showing him support. I do think it's maybe a good idea that he plays off the bench until he feels comfortable and doesn't get rushed into games just because he cost so much. Chelsea absolutely ruined him and he'll need a few months to settle back into the way of things. That all being said I'm genuinely excited to see Arsenal play again this weekend. I'm all for the experiment.

[@OregonGooner22]

He needs to find his confidence. Was watching Bayer highlights of him and he’s capable of taking defenders on. Just gotta get him going

[@JagdPantherable]

If Arteta can somehow gets Haverts to perform, he will be truly seen as elite manager.

[@Goonermenu]

Very inciteful analysis on Kai Havertz

[@davyliciousable]

ppl are just underestimating how much xhaka contributed to the dynmaic attack of arsenal beforehand. with either deep balls, nice chips or passes in the triangle with martinelli and zinny arsenals left side was a force last season

[@Antonio-hb8rd]

Another player we’ll be speaking about for years hoping he can get back to his Leverkusen form. As the year go by and his performances stay poor we have to accept he’s peaked was never that good

[@devonbeckles4399]

What he does is he makes coaches and players confused to what he really does easy answer to the question without the stats... I'm waiting for him to come out in a gary neville podcast to tell the world he is not a footballers but a con man that saw a way out of school football and 3rd division to make money for his family ....

[@paritoshnegi1665]

Please make a same one for Richarlison

[@michaelobi3583]

Chelsea did so much damage that it will take a while for him to learn and unlearn

[@Fujiwara.Takumi1]

Honestly, he showed glimpse of what he was always good at doing, he was always in open spaces collecting amazing passes. HOWEVER, his decision making with the ball has been horrid, he passes back when he has the space to run. and vice-versa. It might be a strategy issue from Arteta, possibly asking Havertz to do back passes and slow play instead of turn-and-run with the ball

[@matthewblack986]

Cap that's not all he did (just staying up waiting for the ball to be carried up field), he was a roaming playmaker, he dropped deep to be the creative player to dictate the transition after the defenders win the ball back. he could beat a press into space then find a pass or carry the ball then find a pass, this then allowed him to assess the movement of the opposition and arrive late in space to finish off the chances. he has a great first touch, he can control the ball and keep it close to him, has a great vision and pass and great technique. he knows the type of finish to do in whatever space he's in and he has the technique to do it. He's a hybrid of CAM and DLP in terms of IQ but i don't know who to compare him to that is similar. Maybe Kroos/Fernandes without the long range class? either way he needs a manager that will understand this quality and use him in the correct system. If he is static he will be marked out the game.

[@ConstantinoHaza]

AMC as Shadow Striker

[@parmaman8551]

It's funny that all the good things he's done so far is something a retired Kevin Davies could do.

[@hnaku8748]

Was decent for my FPL, not gonna lie.🤣

[@adventurerwannabe]

Same thing when people keep saying he hasnt done anything wrong as some sort of argument for him...brother cost 65m...for a "doesnt do anything wrong" type Player we already have El neny ffs

[@j0fiz986]

So basically 6 years ago Kai used to be able to capitalise on a central strikers game being ruined by being only a pinning player whilst Kai runs in the box and taps the ball in….and in 6 years he can’t develop any other part of him game to different systems. Yeah, clearly a future ballon dor player there *sarcasm*

[@derrickgray4856]

Seems that his skill set fits better as a change player to Odergard.

[@arjunmustaine1761]

As a chelsea supporter i felt we would be lucky to get 20-25 mill for kai. In came Arteta to the rescue. Having said that i wish kai has a successful career. Love him to bits . But just not in an arsenal shirt

[@honestarsenalfan7038]

We need a whole presser for Mikel to walk us through this one; at this point of progress if the player isn't a level raiser we simply lose

[@tom11mansfield]

i just dont see a situation where he gets in our best 11, we have better players on the bench being kept out of the squad already

[@hovish99]

One word. Raumdeuter.

[@amoghagnihotri204]

As a Chelsea fan having watched him week in week out, the answer is: not much. Man lived off of the UCL goal for 2 seasons.

[@huevosrancheros9584]

“let’s see what he’s good at” and STILL has to go back to Leverkusen😭 he’ll be in Germany in two years he just isn’t it

[@singalexsong]

He may be an upgrade on Xhaka in an attacking sense but defensively it is a massive downgrade. That is why a proper CM is needed not a CAM or a DM playing there.

[@ugurkul5124]

I thought that he had pace in him, he could do runs in behinds etc. and pin the defenders like in the ucl final. Bu th here it says he doesn't have burst and dynamism

[@ciaranallidine6321]

I think he was decent in the first few games. Once he clicks with the players around him, he'll be unplayable. He was inches away from two goals against Fulham, just needed to trust himself more in both cases

[@davidmoore1789]

You also forgot the nstional team. If the club cant find a solution why cant the national team play his favoured role??

[@benwu2229]

Chelsea Fan here, I have a strong feeling that if given enough time, he can be just like KDB. He probably doesnt have the vision or shooting. But I would say that his passing, ball retention and that star power can be ocomparable.

[@tonylee5222]

So he will not be “just like KDB”?

[@huyle8444]

Honestly McTominay would do fine in that Havertz's role

[@livegigsinkent]

It's simple what he does, he makes Arsenal start with 10 men and when we have someone sent off we then have 9 men.

[@mikiasg8867]

To summarize, he costs 70M and occupies space.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

It feels like the same thing with russ laker arc for anyone who watches the nba. Why are arsenal and arteta expected to adapt to him instead of him adapting to them?

[@petekadenz9465]

Interesting analysis.

[@stevebiko3242]

Chelsea are masters at capitalizing on player weaknesses. They let their players' weaknesses stand out more than their strengths. It happened not only to Havertz, but also Lukaku, Werner, Ziyech. I have seen signs that that is being alleviated by Pochettino.

[@AitchC]

This is confusing as people are saying he's a CF not a LCM. He may have the physical attributes but he's failing to execute the basics. Perhaps he peaked at Leverkusen especially mentally? He certainly doesn't improve or replace any of the players that almost won the league last season.

[@aitaziz4871]

Same was said about Veira lasy year .. now everyone want him to start

[@8alexbell8]

This sounds a lot like Dele Alli. A late arriving second forward. Slightly different skill sets, but similar role. A role that just isn't utilized much anymore. The playmaking 10 role disappeared for a few years, and still hasn't come back to prevalence. Havertz (& Dele's) role has not returned & is rarely incorporated.

[@ironore1000]

He is a “roam-doubter”.

[@rohank1982]

You can say what you like about Chelsea’s ridiculous buying but getting 120m for Havertz and Mount is incredible business

[@Layzdev]

I don't think Havertz is bad, let's be fair. the guy is new to the job, it would take a while for anyone in any profession to learn and settle into the new job expectations. in past three matches he only made one bad pass that became a meme. you can see everything else is getting better. Arsenal lost 2 points because of Arteta's subs in the end game. you won't take two leaders out when the game is still alive.

[@007feck]

Kai: best position no.10 Chelsea - come play no 9 = disaster Arsenal - come play no 8 Jeez anyone have a space for his actual best position? He clearly doesn’t adapt well

[@TrapSection]

He is absolutely horrendous. No redeeming qualities. Bayer scammed Chelsea, Chelsea scammed Arsenal. Simple as.

[@WeezyKDS128]

Arteta and Arsenal made a mistake signing him. Simple as that, he failed to impress for 3 years already at Chelsea. Both the eye test and raw data suggests he can't improve Arsenal's midfield in that left half space role.

[@felipesilveira6909]

Arteta is trying to copy Guardiola's formation. But is failing enormously!

[@JackBurton3963]

Perfect for teams who finish 8th

[@kobbby]

Great question

[@zbynx]

8:50 was it supposed to be wins duels? don't think it's duets or duals. still learning english though

[@Samiyatipakaian]

Just a joao felix cereer we have to give up on him. Im not really see something special from him with his expensive value. His Leverkusen days is one season wonder days.

[@abduabdi9937]

One of the best analysis