What Does “Most Valuable” Really Mean? [Deep Dive]

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Rusty Buckets

Rusty Buckets

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@rustybuckets
@rustybuckets 10 ай бұрын
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@KobeBryant-cm2cc
@KobeBryant-cm2cc 7 ай бұрын
Dont quit brother
@handeggchan1057
@handeggchan1057 10 ай бұрын
"Jokic making the case for the MVP award on social media" He's more likely to win next year's Dunk Contest than do that
@sheyarjames4904
@sheyarjames4904 10 ай бұрын
Jokic would rather make a case for his Horses to win their race...
@AtmosphericAtmosphere
@AtmosphericAtmosphere 10 ай бұрын
You re wrong he most like to win another chip that is MVP...not circusant but guz who make histeammate better and is best when needed
@Youralwayswhining4367
@Youralwayswhining4367 10 ай бұрын
Not the greatest arguments
@congsience2989
@congsience2989 10 ай бұрын
most valuable pony, he's absolutely in
@handeggchan1057
@handeggchan1057 10 ай бұрын
@@congsience2989 he should dunk over one of his horses (he gets injured and is out for the remainder of the season)
@i_fuze_hostages6
@i_fuze_hostages6 10 ай бұрын
You make significantly better long form content than I could have imagined I think the split into this channel being long form and the 2nd channel being for 20 minutes or so has improved your videos a ton
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 9 ай бұрын
It certainly leads to the channels having more distinct identities from one another
@mhead1117
@mhead1117 9 ай бұрын
If you like him so much why don't you marry him?
@HorizonOfHope
@HorizonOfHope 10 ай бұрын
I am President of a regional power. I was about to oversee the construction of our glorious new super weapon. Then I saw: hour long Rusty Buckets. The regime can wait.
@fridgmanfrustle4376
@fridgmanfrustle4376 10 ай бұрын
I love how reliably you can breakdown Rusty’s video essays into 70% basketball analysis and 30% critique of capitalism
@Jeffway24
@Jeffway24 10 ай бұрын
The pan to Tim Duncan's feet in that one shot is diabolical LMAO
@Tomtainius
@Tomtainius 10 ай бұрын
Rusty it’s 2am here in the UK and you drop an hour-long banger on a topic I’ve been waiting to see you cover for ages!? I’m tryna go to sleep dude 😂
@Tomtainius
@Tomtainius 10 ай бұрын
And the sponsor’s name is Sleeper? You’re just rubbing it in my face lmao
@wisefull
@wisefull 10 ай бұрын
4 am in Ukraine, doing the same hehe
@franktuttor-ps3tc
@franktuttor-ps3tc 10 ай бұрын
Just Wipe your mouth
@borislavgonkov1014
@borislavgonkov1014 10 ай бұрын
Bro same but in Spain
@HaZZb97
@HaZZb97 10 ай бұрын
Greetings fellow UK NBA fan!
@kiteracer
@kiteracer 10 ай бұрын
“So Russ had his newly single Girl Boss moment…and we were all rooting for her.” Jesus Rusty, warn a brother next time lol 😅
@Georgiaboy_
@Georgiaboy_ 10 ай бұрын
“Just because something is subjective doesn’t mean it’s meaningless” Love this quote ! I feel like ppl get this confused
@ritamariealan93
@ritamariealan93 10 ай бұрын
I gotta say, I love the way you write your script and lay out everything. Word choice, flow, and organization is top notch!
@rustybuckets
@rustybuckets 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@Remmy0930
@Remmy0930 10 ай бұрын
Word choice and flow? What is he spitting bars? Jk lol. Rusty is great.
@Dezy623
@Dezy623 10 ай бұрын
@@Remmy0930 great for falling asleep, takes 60 seconds to get out 15 words
@wreckfish3198
@wreckfish3198 10 ай бұрын
As someone who's new to basketball (playing fantasy because my friends needed an 8th) I love your down to earth, non sensationalized videos. Always incredibly interesting and insightful.
@brayancatano136
@brayancatano136 10 ай бұрын
My boy rusty went from content farm to full on NBA Documentary this was fire to watch 10/10
@felipecouto1102
@felipecouto1102 10 ай бұрын
At this point you became one of my favorite channels on youtube, not just for basketball but overall, the change in format was amazing and I really help it reflects in numbers rusty.
@oldhamneal
@oldhamneal 10 ай бұрын
Tired: Regular-season MVP Wired: Finals MVP
@spoodyR3
@spoodyR3 6 ай бұрын
I find finals mvp worst it should be playoff mvp not just one series just seems unfair
@ultimateyagerman
@ultimateyagerman 6 ай бұрын
​@@spoodyR3no
@jasonugwu8326
@jasonugwu8326 5 ай бұрын
@@spoodyR3Imagine a player averaging 40 PPG but getting swept and the other player avg 25 PPG but winning the whole thing as the best player. Would be way more unfair to the guy who won the championship tbh
@cooperhayes1194
@cooperhayes1194 9 ай бұрын
My biggest complaint is people treating the MVP like the scoring title
@spoodyR3
@spoodyR3 6 ай бұрын
MVP way heavier tho..so it’s weird
@yaeevsthewrld3087
@yaeevsthewrld3087 10 ай бұрын
After all that bro said “idk 🤷🏾‍♂️” and dipped 💀
@NT_Escanor
@NT_Escanor 10 ай бұрын
I love the long form content that allows you to approach a subject from multiple sides and really flesh out your argument with evidence and narratives.
@meh7348
@meh7348 10 ай бұрын
Let's be honest, it's really just a glorified Offensive Player Of The Year award.
@brodro8571
@brodro8571 10 ай бұрын
Modern day yeah for the most part 😭
@alexanderboulton2123
@alexanderboulton2123 10 ай бұрын
Well...offense is the most valuable THING in the NBA 😂
@ineveryuniverse3953
@ineveryuniverse3953 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, it probably will ALWAYS be that way. The most basic and fundamental idea in basketball and most sports has always been the goal of scoring more points than the opponents. Scoring in itself is the most important aspect to gain for offense and basketball as a whole. But considering that, there is a reason why we consider more than just scoring and even winning in mvp conversations. Each player at the top of the discussion is one of the best scorers on some of the better teams (trying to consider Luka), so we factor in the rest of their stats, narrative, etc.
@Jamellii
@Jamellii 10 ай бұрын
It’s a glorified employee of the year award**
@masonknowsball
@masonknowsball 10 ай бұрын
I think Shai would shift the narrative on this, one of the most skilled defensive guards in the league.
@JOIEGREY
@JOIEGREY 10 ай бұрын
love the longer form content. the MVP being the “main character” point was a really good one
@davidroos935
@davidroos935 10 ай бұрын
I’m a college student and these videos feel like a class seminar in THE BEST way
@jankjaws9815
@jankjaws9815 10 ай бұрын
It’s one of those awards where sometimes it’s spot on. The person who won it was completely deserving. On the other side of that coin it goes to someone who is still deserving but the voters for one reason or another don’t think so. Rusty puts it well with voter fatigue, but I think media narratives play a bigger role than people may admit. Edit: he essentially says the same thing lol.
@5115neo
@5115neo 10 ай бұрын
So basically, “it matters when I want it to, like when a white person wins it, but it’s bullshit when I don’t want the person who wins it to win!”
@vanshz8917
@vanshz8917 10 ай бұрын
Bro you're easily making the best NBA content on the platform, loving the change to long form content
@YumYumTV-wt4si
@YumYumTV-wt4si 10 ай бұрын
Long time viewer here. I feel very sentimental about this channel because of the time I discovered it. Just wanted to say am glad these long videos have amazing scripts, understanding of context both in the NBA and the world in general, great video editing and music. Don't ever stop Rusty
@hoodyfrank7405
@hoodyfrank7405 10 ай бұрын
Man I think you have a great understanding of what’s important in sports. Great use of clips and delivered in a great story format. Plus that Russel Westbrook introduction made me smile ear to ear. Love it man
@GoldenRNB
@GoldenRNB 10 ай бұрын
Thank God you changed your setup. This is so much cozier and chill. Feels better to watch.
@snakexpert552
@snakexpert552 10 ай бұрын
The thing I hate about modern MVP discourse nowadays is that players are getting penalized for playing on contenders with deep rosters or adequate help. Like if you want to win a championship, your MVP level player probably has an all star level teammate, but now thats suddenly "too much help" to be in MVP consideration
@jto3314
@jto3314 10 ай бұрын
I started really getting into the NBA during the 2016-2017 season. And if you weren’t watching OKC games at the time and seeing what Russ was doing I truly feel for you, he was the most exciting and spectacularly athletic player I’ve ever seen bar none. I remember staying home “sick” from school to watch his games
@kostaVHjovanovic
@kostaVHjovanovic 10 ай бұрын
every time it switches to Rusty i cant help but think ''why is a guy whos head is wider than both shoulders combined holding this basketball'' nice vid
@ThatGuyGloomy
@ThatGuyGloomy 10 ай бұрын
Man OKC Russ made me start watching hoops again. I had just got instagram at the time and i would always see the crazy shit he was doing that year. Russ was so much fun in his younger days. No one ran the court like him and no one played as hard. Him and KD in OKC was dope af
@juanmanuelmartinez3142
@juanmanuelmartinez3142 10 ай бұрын
guys this is extremately good content, could be something you watch on a streaming platform or something, I absolutely love this, congrats to all the team, keep it up!
@TherealMatthias1998
@TherealMatthias1998 10 ай бұрын
47:06 he nailed that shot on my 19th birthday. Thank you Westbrook
@SuperRocket64
@SuperRocket64 10 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@chriskong9292
@chriskong9292 10 ай бұрын
Bro’s pushing out movies every month lol
@theredguy92
@theredguy92 10 ай бұрын
Tatum getting bonus points for being the best player on the best team and being in Boston while Jokic doesnt get any for being defending champ and finals mvp seems a little meh. Good video though.
@shorewall
@shorewall 10 ай бұрын
He's modeling how the voters think, not what he thinks. He's trying to predict the MVP, not deciding his own. He spent the video talking about how the voters decide on MVP. If he wanted to choose who he thought should be MVP, I think he would have more and different criteria.
@Ferris_v2
@Ferris_v2 10 ай бұрын
This is crazy hard to stop watching even when I have to, banger video
@matthewthayer9316
@matthewthayer9316 10 ай бұрын
There's another factor in SGA's favor that I don't think you mentioned. He's North American(Canadian). The last 5 MVPs have all been from other continents, and I think people are hungry for a less "foreign" player to win it. It normally wouldn't matter, but this race is so close that I think it matters a great deal.
@maniravsadhur8409
@maniravsadhur8409 10 ай бұрын
That' probably part of the "narrative" factor, but true, there might be some foreigner fatigue.
@shorewall
@shorewall 10 ай бұрын
Canadians are still foreigners to me, dammit! :D
@davidem759
@davidem759 9 ай бұрын
There's a timeline wher Joel Embiid still wins MVP because the very fact of how much the Sixers suck without him shows how high his value is for the team and Adam Silver hand up giving the trophy to him on a hospital bed for narrative and entertainment purposes
@cadenhyde9510
@cadenhyde9510 10 ай бұрын
wake up babe, rusty dropped another hour long BANGER
@BzBuck
@BzBuck 10 ай бұрын
I have been saying this about dirk being robbed!!! I love that you brought this up
@lucid5194
@lucid5194 10 ай бұрын
The quick edit on Duncans fit 😂
@grewdordon
@grewdordon 10 ай бұрын
We’re loving the long-form content Rusty, please keep it up 🙏
@thermitebanana
@thermitebanana 10 ай бұрын
Damn Jacob - such a slick and polished video. It's great to see you put out such weighty and high quality content
@azayfhossain5713
@azayfhossain5713 10 ай бұрын
Outro was peak 😂😂
@theycallmemr.bigchest3203
@theycallmemr.bigchest3203 10 ай бұрын
I can’t believe they didn’t name an NBA MVP in 97’. Weird? Probs we’re just too busy to bother.
@paksta
@paksta 10 ай бұрын
First Rusty in-depth I've seen. Damn, dude you are really finding new gears here and I also like the shorter stuff. Go mate, go!
@KatarHero72
@KatarHero72 10 ай бұрын
Hard agree on DWade. Man is the 3rd best shooting guard in NBA history, and is one of the best defensive players under 6'5 in NBA history. He's the definition of a player who was MVP caliber but never won the award because of circumstances out of his control. Having to contend with Nash, Shaq, Dirk, LeBron, and Kobe with MVP at his peak for the award. It's hard to win MVP even when having an all time season like 2008-09....because the Cavs won 23 more games with LeBron being the superstar despite Wade having better numbers (sans rebounds).
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 10 ай бұрын
In his “If the MVP went to the best player” series from 2020, Jonny Arnett had LeBron only narrowly taking the 09 MVP over Wade.
@KatarHero72
@KatarHero72 10 ай бұрын
@@fortynights1513 It makes sense though. As a Miami fan I am biased towards Wade. But LeBron carrying that team to a better record than the Big 3 Celtics, late 2000s Spurs, Kobe B2B Lakers, and Melo/AI nuggets is wild. I know Cleveland's defense was crazy but still, it's a wild thing that it happened.
@igotkiwi
@igotkiwi 10 ай бұрын
Ya this is the best NBA content out there. So easy to watch. You’re the Alt Shift X of Basketball in terms of quality
@benitofranklyn4237
@benitofranklyn4237 7 ай бұрын
People always argue Wilt's 100pts game was made up, but they were counting points back then and writing down which jersey number scored how many points.
@fuzzyp
@fuzzyp 10 ай бұрын
In depth, well thought out points coupled with an mvp metric breakdown that actually made sense. Great editing too! Keep up the excellent work!
@Apsburner9717
@Apsburner9717 10 ай бұрын
An hour-long video on the night where I have to wake up early the next morning. Fuck it🤷🏾‍♂️
@redpharaoh4527
@redpharaoh4527 10 ай бұрын
Yo Rusty, thought this was like ten minutes, stoked to see that it's over an hour long, tho have to watch after class now
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 10 ай бұрын
3:42 I like the Wilt image there.
@wem_iii
@wem_iii 9 ай бұрын
Perfect ending Rusty
@derekp3820
@derekp3820 10 ай бұрын
It’s so great to have you back to this long form stuff
@kdawgthechef2855
@kdawgthechef2855 9 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with people not relying on watching mainstream media for discourse. Overheard a guy watching your video on scoring in the elevator of my apartment.
@Mr.MooseTheGreat
@Mr.MooseTheGreat 9 ай бұрын
Your vocabulary and presentation skills have advanced dramatically over the years! Thanks for putting out amazing content and I love the long-form documentary style man keep up the great work!
@trashtai
@trashtai 10 ай бұрын
based on the title alone I know this is going to be a multi-platinum banger
@allank8497
@allank8497 10 ай бұрын
By far the best video you’ve ever made Rusty! This is phenomenal work
@DabiDavs
@DabiDavs 9 ай бұрын
Mfer brought up the hero's journey in a basketball convo, Rusty you're such a dork keep dropping these bangers
@BackWhereYouStarted
@BackWhereYouStarted 9 ай бұрын
love Rusty's longer form stuff. wish it got more appreciation
@calvinsomers1197
@calvinsomers1197 10 ай бұрын
They should have named it the player of the year award. That’s basically how it is perceived already.
@ammonhurst3026
@ammonhurst3026 10 ай бұрын
Word
@lazarperic4525
@lazarperic4525 10 ай бұрын
... that was always the point of the award, you give it to the guy who was the most valuable in the season - not for a damn 4 year stretch or his 10/15 years of legacy lol
@taustin4948
@taustin4948 10 ай бұрын
Completely agree
@maniravsadhur8409
@maniravsadhur8409 10 ай бұрын
Exactly, or player of the season. It could be framed as "which player will we remember most from this season?" - which doesn't necessarily align with the most impressive numbers.
@sikkouvol.1996
@sikkouvol.1996 10 ай бұрын
are you seriously this stupid
@nickgamble280
@nickgamble280 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for recognizing sga's greatness
@__kii6__
@__kii6__ 10 ай бұрын
This might be your best documentary rusty keep going 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@nerdzone
@nerdzone 10 ай бұрын
You really returned to form as of late. Good job!
@erstimus5439
@erstimus5439 10 ай бұрын
I think the rise of advanced stats is understated in how MVP conversations have shifted away from winning. The allure is that they offer a context-independent, objective measure of a player’s impact, and make it easier to argue that a player is more impactful than another despite fewer wins. A big focus of Jokic’s 2022 case was that he led the NBA in a lot of advanced stats. It’s often difficult to look at box-scores and see how things like turnovers should be factored in, or whether having more points outweighs more rebounds, etc, or how unquantifiable things like defense can be weighed in. It’s also led the debate to be leas focused on scoring alone than in eras past.
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 10 ай бұрын
If advanced metrics were around throughout NBA history, and we used VORP to determine MVP’s (which is available since 1974), you’d find a lot of the best players getting more MVP’s: Kareem would have seven (1974-1980) Dr. J and Magic would take 81 and 82, Then Larry Bird would win four straight from 1983-1986, followed by seven straight MVP seasons from MJ from 1987-1993. David Robinson takes the two MVP’s in 94 and 95, followed by MJ again in 96 and 97. Karl Malone would get 1998 and 1999’s awards. Then in the four season stretch of 2000-2003, we get Shaq, Vince Carter, Duncan and Tracy McGrady. After that, KG in 2004 and 05, and LeBron would get eight straight MVP’s from 2006-2013. Then Durant in 2014, James Harden in 2015, Stephen Curry in 2016, Russell Westbrook in 2017, LeBron again in 2018, Harden in 2019 and 2020, and Jokic would be finishing up his fourth straight MVP season. Of those mentioned, I believe only Vince Carter led the league in VORP, and never finished top five in an MVP vote in his career.
@lazarperic4525
@lazarperic4525 10 ай бұрын
No, big focus was on: - him playing without Murray and MPJ - having no real 2nd scoring option - having guards that are dogwater awful on the defensive end - similar stats compared to Giannis and Embiid and somehow having a better +/- than those 2 - ending up with similar records as Giannis and Embiid, idk about individual Ws aka the ones they were part of - first ever with the "2000 pts - 1000 reb - 500 ast" season It was "because of the advanced stats" for those media guys and fans who looked at their ppg and seeding and decided that he was nowhere near those two so those stat nerds had to pull out whatever they could to explain all that stat stuff to them. Even that "ppg argument" can be looked at from this perspective: "Even tho he had fg% on his side, Jokic had 3pts less because of FT attempts - if he had more FTs he'd be around 30ppg that season, at least." There ya go cuh, and ngl in that season I actually hoped that they'd make history and give it to both Jokic and Embiid lol ✌️
@dadncaleb
@dadncaleb 9 ай бұрын
I just started watching after the split. So I don’t know anything different. However, I must say your content is among the most interesting, intelligent and well researched I have seen on the platform. I truly appreciate your opinion and I watch your videos very intently to make sure I understand the full weight of the topic. I’m very glad to have found your channel, keep up the outstanding work!
@q.7556
@q.7556 10 ай бұрын
About to sit down and eat this is going to be peak
@joelman1989
@joelman1989 10 ай бұрын
The writing in this video was… I need a good word… exceptional!
@claudiofamilia2428
@claudiofamilia2428 10 ай бұрын
Great video! Really love the topic!
@scottydrierwertyhg
@scottydrierwertyhg 10 ай бұрын
These longer videos are so good
@fobreeze4436
@fobreeze4436 10 ай бұрын
Keep flirting with the camera angles!! I love it
@jaysenduverney7696
@jaysenduverney7696 10 ай бұрын
Rusty, you should make a video talking about the peaks of certain players: drose mvp season, westbrook triple double king era, james hardens peak era, lebrons heat era, allen iverson mvp season, wilts 50pt season, stephs breakout seasons, etc)
@KazDM
@KazDM 10 ай бұрын
Was that Mr. Plinkett? I didn't notice, but my brain did.
@Iso_SSB
@Iso_SSB 10 ай бұрын
The ending was the best answer I could’ve asked for 😂
@deanzyCRF
@deanzyCRF 2 ай бұрын
I think this is my third or fourth time watching since upload, and I have just seen the I’m just a boy and this is who you’re yelling at slides. Love it Rusty! 😂
@NiteOwlVibes
@NiteOwlVibes 5 ай бұрын
Narratives need to go away, MVP needs to come from an efficiency perspective. And both sides of the ball need to be weighed equally. Im sick of people voters turning it into an offensive award.
@judemcrobbie4123
@judemcrobbie4123 10 ай бұрын
39:23 “navigating the grey area is how we find the truth in areas defined by their subjectivity” gotta be the coldest line on this channel
@chimpochimpay
@chimpochimpay 10 ай бұрын
I really like your long-form content
@bitterseaman6764
@bitterseaman6764 10 ай бұрын
Fun video, really enjoyed it! TBH, I think it's a little less complicated. People need to remember it's not about being the best player in the league (though that helps if you are!). MVP really for the most part has two criteria: 1 - how much winning is your team doing (i.e. how big is the pie), and 2 - how much is an individual player on that team is contributing to that team's winning (i.e. how big a piece of the team's win pie does a player have). If your team isn't doing well enough (i.e. the pie is too small) it doesn't matter how big your slice is, you won't win. This is Luka this year who ain't winning. If your team is stacked, even if the pie is big, your slice may be too small - this is Tatum who ain't winning and probably wouldn't win even if his stats were juiced up somewhat from current levels. There's some judgment involved in the sweetspot of the two, but not that much IMO. A good all-in-one metric that tends to measure this is Win Share per 48 minutes, and it seems the vast majority of the time the league leader in this metric wins the MVP award (that and PER are likely the two highest all-in-one metrics that correlate to the award winner). I think the voters get it right the vast majority of the time but def not always; there are occasional exceptions around voter fatigue, exposure (let's face it, it's easier to get coverage when you play for the Lakers instead of the OKC Thunder or Denver Nuggets) and as you suggest, whatever narrative people want to come up with (stat padding, racism, needs to "do it" in the playoffs etc). But I think honestly the narrative wins are pretty few and far between, like 1 out of every 10 years. Also, really agree with you around Giannis. I will disagree though as to who will win this year, I think it will be Jokic based on merit (leader in WS/48 though super tight, but ahead more in most other advanced metrics), though SGA is having an absolutely fantastic year. I think Luka, Giannis, SGA are like tops in the league in terms of usage and they put up big absolute stat lines, but Jokic's play basically creates an entire system of court generalship and optimal decision making between distribution, strategizing, and shooting that while putting up impressive vanilla Points/Rebs/Assist numbers, the impact really shows in things like on/off and the vast majority of advanced analytics. There might have been enough "narrative" for SGA to win if he was on a bigger market team, or OKC had a materially better record (if Murray didn't already miss 15+ game this year Nuggets would probably be in first by 4 or 5 games right now), and SGA had a bigger rabid following of barking fans and pundits, but it's not the case.
@hbfagen8793
@hbfagen8793 10 ай бұрын
This video makes me want the NBA to have a player top 100 list similar to the NFL. I wonder how often the MVP would actually be the top spot.
@willpurvis2561
@willpurvis2561 10 ай бұрын
I feel like if they did a list like that every year, they would have to basically put the mvp as number 1. Otherwise to the casual public it could devalue the award
@thatonefan_1371
@thatonefan_1371 10 ай бұрын
hour long vid on a weeknight? i’m here for it
@chugcanthoop
@chugcanthoop 10 ай бұрын
There’s no narrative around Luka cuz no one watches the mavs 😂 if people realized how depleted the roster was for the first half of the season I think there would be atleast some narrative there, there were several games where guys like AJ Lawson and Greg Brown were STARTING (I know what you’re thinking, WHO?!?) but yah it’s a really tough sell if they stay at 7 or 8 for sure even as a mavs fan I would think that’s a bit flukey even considering how close the 8th seed is to the 4th seed atm
@samuellandry1451
@samuellandry1451 10 ай бұрын
love the video, to me the tempo was perfect. that said i think the second camera angle is too low at the start when you sit down ;) keep up the good stuff :D ~ Shai for MVP
@kenlen8029
@kenlen8029 10 ай бұрын
Haven't finished yet but this is such a great video so far. I've seen many of your vids but this one hits different. Well done.
@dobronx4771
@dobronx4771 10 ай бұрын
Best video you ever made yet.
@dominic64tblightning24
@dominic64tblightning24 10 ай бұрын
As always, a thought-provoking video from you. 👌🏻
@zsomborszigeti6797
@zsomborszigeti6797 10 ай бұрын
My problem with Bill's MVP as an example is that at that time the players were the one that voted on MVP and most players hated Wilt, that is clear from almost any player that played in that era.
@Obfluss.S
@Obfluss.S 10 ай бұрын
Why is Chuck's case listed as an example of disrupting the trend of the award valued winning most if his numbers is comparable to MJ that year and his team won more? Just because it stopped MJ from 3-peating?
@benitofranklyn4237
@benitofranklyn4237 7 ай бұрын
I would have always liked there to be either a "Best Player Award" instead of MVP or the Scoring Title being as highly praised as the MVP. The notion of Most Valuable kind of leaves it up to the marketing goals of the NBA who to pick.
@JoshWebster327
@JoshWebster327 10 ай бұрын
You should’ve mentioned the IMDB award which tried to take the human error out of it and tried to give an award to the statistically best player
@slackerofhell
@slackerofhell 10 ай бұрын
Woooo let's go SGA!
@el1tefire252
@el1tefire252 10 ай бұрын
8am and boy got me saying “oh yea he dropped another banger”
@thecrisnav
@thecrisnav 10 ай бұрын
I’m super enjoying this longer form content
@failzapper
@failzapper 10 ай бұрын
almost thought you was going to go all das kapital when you asked what is value lmaooo
@shadovvpanther
@shadovvpanther 10 ай бұрын
I think we might be in need of a new award. The MVP award might stay for the best player on the best like in the past and the new award would be something like an most impactful player award (MIP), which would be the player that has the most impact on winning aka carries his team the most.
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 10 ай бұрын
Value and the NBA MVP. Certainly topics worth debating. Some say best player on a top seed, others say the best statistical player on a good team in context. Question out of curiosity (I ask because I get a variety of responses), who is the best player who never finished top five in an NBA MVP vote in their career. Here are the players who have finished top five (counting those who did it in the ABA): ABA Players (24): Connie Hawkins Doug Moe Mel Daniels Larry Jones Willie Somerset Jimmy Jones Rick Barry Spencer Haywood Roger Brown Bob Verga Zelmo Beaty Charlie Scott Dan Issel Artis Gilmore Billy Cunningham Julius Erving George McGinnis Ron Boone Joe Caldwell Willie Wise Bobby Jones Mack Calvin James Silas David Thompson NBA Players (98): Bob Pettit Paul Arzin Bob Cousy Mel Hutchins Dolph Schayes Bill Sharman George Yardley Bill Russell Maurice Stokes Elgin Baylor Wilt Chamberlain Oscar Robertson Jerry West Sam Jones Jerry Lucas Nate Thurmond Lenny Wilkens Dave Bing Wes Unseld Willis Reed Kareem Abdul Jabaar Walt Frazier John Havlicek Dave Cowens Tiny Archibald Bob McAdoo Bob Lainer Elvin Hayes Bill Walton Pete Maravich George Gervin Walter Davis Moses Malone Bob Dandridge Larry Bird Dennis Johnson Dan Roundfield Robert Parish Gus Williams Magic Johnson Sidney Moncrief Bernard King Isiah Thomas Terry Cummings Dominique Wilkins Hakeem Olajuwon Michael Jordan Kevin McHale Charles Barkley Clyde Drexler Karl Malone Patrick Ewing David Robinson Scottie Pippen Shaquille O’Neil Penny Hardaway Grant Hill Tim Hardaway Glen Rice Gary Payton Tim Duncan Alonzo Mourning Allen Iverson Jason Kidd Kevin Garnett Chris Webber Tracy McGrady Kobe Bryant Jermaine O’Neil Peja Stojakovic Steve Nash Dirk Nowitski LeBron James Chauncey Billups Chris Paul Dwight Howard Dwayne Wade Kevin Durant Derrick Rose Tony Parker Carmelo Anthony Blake Griffin Joakim Noah James Harden Stephen Curry Russell Westbrook Anthony Davis Kawhi Leonard Isaiah Thomas Damian Lillard Giannis Antetokounmpo Paul George Nikola Jokic Luka Doncic Joel Embiid Devin Booker Jayson Tatum Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
@howcliche
@howcliche 10 ай бұрын
I would say Kyrie Irving, who in flashes is the one of the most dangerous people to play the game
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 10 ай бұрын
@@howclicheKyrie. Interesting choice. Haven’t heard him before. He has averaged 25+ points and 6+ assists a few times, so stats aren’t exactly an issue for him. But the thing that hurt him in this context is that he has not typically been the best player on his team, and unlike some of the players on here who were the second best on their teams under normal circumstances (like Pippen, McHale, or Havlicek in 1973), Kyrie hasn’t really played on any team that was said to have played one of the best regular seasons ever, and the best team he was the best player on is arguably the 2017-18 Celtics who had a 55-27 record and were the second seed. Interestingly, Kyrie Irving has somehow never received an MVP vote in his career. Also, the point guard in Boston the season prior, Isaiah Thomas would finish fifth in the MVP vote, and the team won two fewer games, but were the one seed in their conference.
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 7 ай бұрын
@@howclicheWe can now add Jalen Brunson to that list of top five finishers. And among current players who don’t appear on that list, I say Anthony Edwards is quite likely to finish top five at least in the future should he continue to play at a high level
@cobrallama6236
@cobrallama6236 10 ай бұрын
Wow. Is this a Rusty Buckets video or The NBA Storyteller? Terrific work! Keep it up!
@GibranCamus-kr2dc
@GibranCamus-kr2dc 10 ай бұрын
Nice. Been waiting on you to do an axiological analysis. Your past discussions of MVP have conflated descriptive with prescriptive. Hoping you can go full prescriptive bc the way narrative influences MVP, in my irrelevant opinion, renders MVP a poor metric for evaluating a player's metric. (Same with all awards that involve votes-they're bottom-rung in evaluating a player's relative greatness.) Cheers sir
@datboiimoody
@datboiimoody 10 ай бұрын
I know you didn't have me sit here for a while hour to tell me, " I dunno." The audacious nature of this action has prompted a like. Love you're content brother, long time watcher. Bless
@shafiksunderani4230
@shafiksunderani4230 10 ай бұрын
You are the MVP Rusty of NBA content
@TheRussianZombie
@TheRussianZombie 9 ай бұрын
Jokic should have 3peated and more then likely will win it again this year, voter fatigue is annoying
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