What Elegoo and Anycubic should learn from Phrozen! Sonic Mighty 8k Review - 2023

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00:00 - Intro

[@FauxHammer]

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[@TableFlipFoundry]

Fantastic video sir! I wanted to say: Even though you prefer the shorter print time of the phrozen part, I think you explanation of The Cones was Masterful. You very clearly understand its use case, what it does, and when is the best time to use it. I am so honored you did take the time to outline it so clearly. Thank you very much! We do have v2 available on your discord. We did optimize it to print 35% faster than v1 as well as the 3DRS Starship and Ameralabs City. I hope you give it a try too! If anything just for the experience. Great video.

[@FauxHammer]

Oh wow guys, really! I super appreciate that. I was turned on to these by Dan from The Lion’s Tower. I have got some videos in the pipe about exposing for printers, but would love to revisit these cones in future. Do t suppose we could have a chat at some point so you can educate me a bit better on what these do. There are some realisations I’ve had of late that I want to run but some people who know their stuff to cement my understanding, but if you could also tell me more about these I can share it with the audience

[@TableFlipFoundry]

@@FauxHammer sure! I don't know how I missed this but shoot me a message any time

[@Daniel_0.0]

Great review, thanks, just purchased this. Love how you are encouraging the comments for great comments and tips. Makes me want to make a video of experiences too.

[@FauxHammer]

yeah, I've recently found people actually use these videos as a place to learn more about their new printers, so if i can get more helpful comments for people below it makes the process easier for everyone.

[@M4ttNet]

Great review. I can validate your points for it being a great pick for someone new. First time 3d printing and the setup was a breeze, been having a blast printing things. I usually follow the ole "buy once, cry once" mantra and most reviews seem to be consistent with your take of the great build quality of this thing. Also picked up the Phrozen wash and cure stations and their whole vibrating knife thing. Printing my first big print now. Definitely wanted one of these larger printers vs the smallest ones to print quantity and larger parts together. Great that there's so many good 3d printer options these days, at all price ranges.

[@FauxHammer]

Yep. 100% agree with your take on it and glad it's proven in your use case

[@keirab5191]

i looked at it and its nice to have 4 screws to hold the build plat in place, an it does look good with more things you can do with the screen Ui but for the price am sorry am not sold if i had untiled money maybe i would buy one,, but do you own one that you actually bought yourself or just got free ones...

[@netnoob77]

For how much it costs (which is almost twice the price of the Saturn 2 when it's on sale), one would expect build quality to be better. The fancy menu screen / UI is nice but it doesn't really translate to better prints overall. Also, not a fan that they cheap out on a screen protector. Both Elegoo and Anycubic are putting screen protectors on their screens. A screen protector doesn't cost much at all but it would save the user from an expensive LCD replacement in case of a really bad resin spill, which happens to a lot of beginners. As for the camera, you hit the nail on the head, why bother putting a camera on there with such limited use. Might as well remove it and perhaps knock off $50 from the price. A carbon filter or a ventilation hole at the back of the cover (like Saturn 2) would probably be a more practical addition than a poorly implemented camera.

[@vamps_vids]

Thinking the same... I just ordered my Saturn 8K but I was very much biased toward phrozen... until I found one guys - who was not sponsored- honest review... Yeah the software is nice... but really no screen protector? Camera could be nice, but not this way - sadly resin printers do not support Octopi

[@FauxHammer]

All Fair points

[@gatzuuuberserker3931]

My choice was the phrozen. Just Because i like taiwan. And not china

[@reggiesilvestre4646]

​@@gatzuuuberserker3931 that's a selling point for me too.

[@mekko1413]

@@vamps_vids sponsor does not equal an honest or dis-honest review. That is only determined by the character of the person doing the review.

[@dennisbourg5393]

Nooooo. Please don’t chuck the clean vat residue in the bin without curing it first! We, as responsible printers, should never put uncured liquid resin directly in the garbage.

[@FauxHammer]

Oh really? It makes total sense now you say it but I need to read more into this

[@Serenityindailylife]

Yeah, doesn't really matter, I put it into my household garbage. My municipality doesn't landfill household garbage. They incinerate it. No matter if I waste time curing it or don't, it will burn anyway. For metals we have a seperate bin.

[@jtcustomknives]

Even if it’s dumped in the landfill once the sun hits it it will cure

[@miguellopez3392]

​@@jtcustomknivesunless is buried by trash which is what happens at land fills.

[@anthonycole8787]

I ordered mine from Phrozen and stripped and rebuilt it. The package and delivery even though it was posted to the UK from overseas was top notch. The quality and tec support have been great for me. I'm running the 12k upgrade.

[@FauxHammer]

Just done my 12k upgrade. Still need to test it.

[@Mike-tc2rl]

Thanks for the great videos on the 10" 8K and DLP printers! When it comes out, I'd love to see a comparison by you of the Anycubic Photon D2 and the soon to be released Elegoo "Mars" 4 DLP.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks, yep, that is 100% the plan! A Mars 4 DLP review and a comparison

[@Mike-tc2rl]

@@FauxHammer I love it. Can't wait. I'm planning on using your review as my most important input on which of the two to purchase. 🙂

[@3Dprint4you]

Based on this review and your honesty I just bought this printer. It will be here tomorrow and I really look forward to the features of this printer and especially that display for my old eyes.

[@FauxHammer]

aww great! I'm glad i helped you and you will love this model

[@nathanmccook133]

Great video, as usual, but one note... I got the mighty 8k back when it was in preorder, they shipped day one with the camera. But for the first 6months or so they didnt work until a firmware update. So whats new is now they shipped with that firmware

[@nathanmccook133]

Oh and yea the build plate grip is amazing, after nearly 2yrs with this printer only errors or issues were always my mistake. Just recently did a nfep swap(first time on the unit cuz i had 2 vats and they just last) and their nfep holder in the vat is by the most idiot proof design ive ever seen lol perfect tension every time and a video to follow along with too

[@cedonuli]

Thanks for another great video. I’m also hoping to see more features added to 3D printers going forward instead of the specs race. I saw that another manufacturer is now including heated vats

[@FauxHammer]

Yeah GKTwo, that one is arriving today.

[@cedonuli]

@@FauxHammer can’t wait to see that video :)

[@robertlackey7212]

I just want to put in my 2 cents , I make tools for working on PC boards and 20 microns +- is the most common tolerance I deal with and I see a day coming when 10 microns +- will be common (3D printing is relevant for galvanoplasty forms) so finer tolerances is not irrelevant to everyone and larger print areas increase production efficiency.

[@hetzel3606]

Your face on the "future warrior" is weirdly very fitting

[@mattrodriguez9386]

I just got the Saturn 2.....but now I think I might return it for the phozen...having that camera web cam and then built in networking....

[@FauxHammer]

I have a comparison vid of these printers out tomorrow if you think that may help?

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

I have to use 4.5 to 6 sec exposure per layer using Anycubic ABS like resin

[@FauxHammer]

Yep, sounds about right for abs like

[@lastofkelani]

@FauxHammer Can you explain - why do you always pour the resin not directly in the vat but on a build plate?

[@FauxHammer]

You’re gonna hate me, but 2 reasons… 1, it’s just more cinematic than the normal way, more interesting visually. 2, people always post this, or a similar comment, more comments, more algorithm boost (sry)

[@Undoing77]

@@FauxHammer And here I was convinced that it had something to do with dissipating bubbles from the resin or something, similar to how bartenders pour over a spoon. I'm so sad now lol. The world just isn't as colorful anymore now that I know the truth!

[@FauxHammer]

@@Undoing77 I use a small butane meat searer to pop the bubbles, should I start filming that to brighten your days? I'm always eager to please

[@Emtbtoday]

I stared doing this leveling but with an empty vat i was getting to mish lift at the back of the plate using the old paper method i think its because the fep curves slightly at the edge and out when putting the frame on to tension fep and again printing perfect at every corner and end now doing it this way but empty so can see the build plate is in line with the screen as it can go slightly off centre when holding it and can't see it! I line mine up with the shadow frame stick on borders

[@stalker1567]

what layer height on your prints have you gone for? whats the lowest it goes to and how do you top up resin in a print

[@FauxHammer]

0.03 mm is my preferred. Think this does 0.01z I pause the print. Top up. Wait a minute then continue

[@JoeJRLaw]

Thank you for your tutorial of fix!😊

[@leonardonetorosa7004]

I'm using the Photon M3 Premium 24/7 for two weeks. Since It is working alot, i decided to get another 8k printer, and was almost convinced for the Mighty 8K. But after 10kg of resin printed with not a single flaw on the M3 Premium and this amazing review, i think it's just right for me to get another M3 Premium.

[@FauxHammer]

If that’s what you feel is best for you, then go with it, did you see the comparison vid I put out today?

[@leonardonetorosa7004]

@@FauxHammer Yes, i watched after this post. Amazing content, as always... And the end is hilarious! It makes me really consider to be a patron. I'll be able soon, and your content have helped. Thank you so much.

[@crossout42]

Might be a stupid question but i see where to add the anti aliasing on the export tab on lychee but where do I do the image blur or does lychee not have it

[@stuover73]

I have a UniFi network at home and use their cams in my network. The IR is able to get through the lid and light up the print on my Saturn2

[@FauxHammer]

Oh wow, that’s cool! Yeah a night vision cam would have made sense, I don’t think IR would affect resin curing

[@brendaoliver9107]

I like what you said about but it's a lot out of my price range. But that has got me looking at there printers, as I don't need one the big or expensive for what I want.thanks for the review. 😀

[@FauxHammer]

Right on, yeah it's about picking what's right for you and if it's out of your budget then it's not the right choice. have you seen I have done a comparison video with very similar printers?

[@mattdeeney1169]

So are we going with the Sonic Mighty 8K or the Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra at this point? Good videos. Subscribed.

[@FauxHammer]

Sonic Mighty 14k for me lol

[@mattdeeney1169]

@@FauxHammer 👀

[@Emtbtoday]

The Saturn 3 ultra is £500 on promotion deal the black one looks sweet with the wifi antenna on side im stuck between what to go for with a 10in plate! I need a larger plate but till chitu fixes the 12k rectangular pixels or someone creates a new screen for these 12k itll be stuck at 8k for 3D printing unless want all these graph like lings printed on your models

[@TheAegisClaw]

Small point, but if the fan vents are on the side of the printer where the USB port plugs in, maybe it's by design to make sure you don't put something there that would block airflow.

[@FauxHammer]

it's really not going to overheat,

[@TheAegisClaw]

@@FauxHammer you're the one who said you're no engineer ;-)

[@FauxHammer]

@@TheAegisClaw I’m not, but I am (or at least was fir 10 years) a notebook Technician. I know this kinda tech well enough to know that it’ll be fine with something up close

[@TheAegisClaw]

@@FauxHammer I think perhaps it's not standing you in good stead here. UV LEDs turn 95% of the power you put into them into heat, they're phenomenally inefficient. They're also very sensitive to getting too hot which will drastically reduce the life span, which is not great compared to normal wavelength LEDs anyway. There's a video idea for you, use a thermal camera to measure the exhaust heat of various printers.

[@3D_Printing]

6:50 Build plate optical illusion 3D blocks :)

[@Blake2501]

Great video Ross, keep it up

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks again

[@theGermanPrintingNerd]

wish Phrozen would take my Sonic Mini and send me a bigger one

[@FauxHammer]

Sonic mini is a good printer too

[@evilldead6824]

The phrozen 8k mighty is at a great price atm. For $519 usd on amazon. I would like to see a comparison with the uniformation gktwo. As for the 8k mighty it’s my go too it works 99% of the time once in a while I get a failure but usually my fault with supports. But most times I start a print go about my day and return at the end of the day to success. It is a bit slow especially now that I’ve moved from printing minis to 1:6 statues. I almost never use my 4ks anymore. Guess I’m just going to have to get another 1 or maybe 2 more so I can finish print in 1 or 2 days instead of a 4-5 like it’s taking now.

[@FauxHammer]

As for a comparison, they both have the same print quality but the GKTWO has a ton of useful features, Unlike the useless camera from the Mighty 8k

[@Serenityindailylife]

My daughter wants to print masks and pieces for cosplay, do you think this or the saturn 8k is better for this purpose.

[@FauxHammer]

Hiya, did you see my video comparing the Saturn 2 to the mighty 8k? Short version, they both do the same thing. It’s just how they do it that’s different

[@m.aji.f6585]

what should i buy?this and up to 12k or anycubic 14k?

[@jackaustin4197]

Hello mate, would you say the 12k upgrade is worthwhile?

[@FauxHammer]

Not unless you’re changing the screen anyway. Video coming soon.

[@cosmickatamari]

I was going to buy one from you link but the discount code doesn't work.

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry, it may have run out of term and need renewing, I have asked Phrozen for a new code.

[@ScyberDruid]

Great video. Thank you for all the information you provide.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks kindly

[@C-M-E]

While I wholeheartedly endorse the leveling with resin method, I'm an avid strain and clean user between prints as I also treat my nFEP with a ceramic coating for extra security, but also because minuscule floaties hidden in the resin--even if off the printing screen--will circulate with large prints as the vat film pops dramatically in the first hundred layers. It only takes one to puncture a vat film, then you've really got a problem! I have a dedicated funnel and a sink screen strainer for the cause and will average several hundred successful prints on the same film regularly. When I'm in production mode with printers going round the clock, the 7-15 minutes of clean and prep for the next run is cheap insurance when you have a 10 hour prototype part or a multi-piece figure.

[@FauxHammer]

I would probably take more care of mine were I not in the privileged position of being able to just replace them

[@Alex-xh4jn]

Hey there - are you able to tell me what size the little bust was where you were comparing AA and blur? Off the back of that - on the 2xAA and 2x blur, those lines that appear on the top of the ring around the neck (I guess parallel with the chin) - are they also due to exposure not being adjusted like you mention in the video? Or were those lines just the toughest layer lines to get rid of?

[@FauxHammer]

it is directly comparable to the torso of a Warhammer Space Marine

[@paulburrow5178]

Great video. Definitely want one

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks so much

[@sprocket5526]

I had a "1.gen" mono x, which was the first on the marked with medium format which you could actually afford, but there was no doubt it was built down to that price, melty knobs, cracking cover, meh interface, so-so quality of the rails and lead screw. when I got the mighty 8k, which is NOT cheap, the quality is soo soo much better. there is only 3 things I would have like for the mighty 8k to have at that price point, which I actually it should have, a proper ball screw, not some acme lead screw, a dove tail detachment system instead of that knob, and glass protection of the screen. A nice bonus feature would be proper machined metal screws/knobs for the fastening the vat.

[@FauxHammer]

I he at so much talk about these “lead screws” no idea what they are, but I’m more about the practical benefits so if a printer works, it works

[@Loreli18]

Can carbon filters be used with the phrozen mighty 8k? I can't tell if there is a usb port in the left top corner, like some of the others you have reviewed.

[@FauxHammer]

There's no USB port no, you can't add a powered one, but some companies do sell rechargeable filters that can be used.

[@Loreli18]

Thank you. I'll have to buy some of the rechargeable ones then.

[@devindraper7905]

Did you have to replace the black tape around the screen with kapton tape, as you did in your previous Mighty8k video? I'm setting mine up and wondering if I should do that ahead of everything else. I've also gone through the trouble of removing the camera entirely and using the hole it leaves to snake in cords for a fermenter's belt heater and temperature probe - because I just can't leave well enough alone.

[@FauxHammer]

no, I never bothered. I never "needed" to in the last one, but since I was changing the LCD, why not... And if you ever do this then be super careful so that you don't tear the ribbon cable for the screen which i did getting the broken one out!

[@indrayit571]

1:44 sound reflection your happynes 😂😂😂

[@FauxHammer]

chefs kiss is the ultimate praise

[@photo_n_art]

Strange, you are not the only one who has received a wet box… I have seen noticed it on few Phrozen reviews. I guess the printers are arriving un-Phrozen 😂😂😂

[@FauxHammer]

Oh very good!!!!!

[@spork861]

Sorry for the dumb question, but if you do an exposure test and the supports on the test fail, wouldn't that mean some pieces break off, float in the tub, and then when it lowers to make the next layer it'll smash it down and destroy the FEP?

[@FauxHammer]

Not dumb at all. Yes, you can get that, large pieces could crack or damage the lcd, personally I’ve never had it and I have made such mistakes. In my case the z motor was not strong enough to add the pressure required to crack it, but it can happen. You can also get micro floaters which ruin print layers. So always make sure your vat is pretty clean between prints

[@MrBravo407]

What’s the best printer to print large model prints? Most detail and smooth surfaces. I Dont mind spending the money, however I would like something I could use no problem without wanting something newer within 3yrs. If I have to drop 2k then so be it. I just want something that’ll print large prints also detailed prints. Also something that can print small scale model parts for like model aircraft building. (Miniatures etc) Please help🙏🏻

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly, any of them. You’re gonna want a new printer within a year because a new printer will be out with more details and better features. That’s the eternal struggle. But now is a good time to buy at least, because we are in an age of constant improvement

[@fluffsryan]

I wish I'd seen this before ordering the Saturn 2!

[@FauxHammer]

Saturn 2 is still a really great printer!

[@diegodealmeida9569]

Thx Man !!

[@runklestiltskin_2407]

I like the steel and the interface, don't like the price and what I can see (because you didn't mention it) the trapezoidal lead screw.

[@FauxHammer]

I have no idea how the lead screw would affect me. I’ve seen claims that different tykes are more ir Les reliable, but I’ve never had an issue with any implementation

[@runklestiltskin_2407]

@@FauxHammer a good comparison is bushing vs. bearing. The trapezoidal lead screw works like a bushing, while the ball screw is more like a bearing. Using a bearing will prolong lifetime, with less wear and longer maintenance intervals. I consider it way more useful than a shitty web cam and would have bought this printer instead of the anycubic premium, if it had a ball screw

[@FauxHammer]

@@runklestiltskin_2407 what’s the lifespan of each though, will both pretty much last the life of a typical printer user?

[@runklestiltskin_2407]

@@FauxHammer let's say, I didn't have much luck with my last two anycubic acme lead screws. That's why I might be a bit pedantic

[@DozenDeuce]

Since we’re going for peak detail, I believe that marine-of-space needs a bit of a nurglesque paunch around the midriff…

[@FauxHammer]

Or just a massive D

[@jordandavidson9838]

I print 1/12 scale heads with my mini 8k but find I can't really fit more than 10 (max) at a time. Would you recommend getting a larger 8k, I can see the detail would lack too much. Second question, in your honest opinion, which is the better of the larger 8ks? Mighty or M3 Premium?

[@FauxHammer]

1, I love the larger 8k printers, they are go to right now and I struggle on the older, smaller build plates. The plate size trumps the indistinguishable detail difference. 2. I am editing a video right now to help you answer that question.

[@PrintingWargamer]

what slicer did you use to eliminate antialiasing and blurr? Thats incredible print quality

[@FauxHammer]

I will have used Chitubox for this printer

[@PrintingWargamer]

@@FauxHammer Great, I'll look around for that setting!

[@mau48310]

My creality halot lite came with wifi built in with no external antenna dongle. Is creality so bad reputation wise, no videos are made for them? I'm really happy to have joined the 3d printing world, just seems some models got more attention because people got free review models. 8.9" 4k screen at 220 dollars on a flash sale was unbelievable to me and became my jump in point to this hobby. Is there anything I might be missing here or is this not a great deal?

[@vamps_vids]

I was considering a Halot-one Pro... but I did not find any good reviews

[@FauxHammer]

I don’t think they have worked with creators much is all. I’m currently reviewing their Ender 5 S1 and have a resin printer of theirs in the way, watch this space

[@ThePudgypug22]

Couldn't you just level the 1st time with the vat in place instead of re-leveling build plate? 🤔

[@FauxHammer]

I could yeah. But since it’s clean, and this is the correct way, I do it like that on video.

[@FelixTheAnimator]

I'm holding off on buying a resin printer till I get sculpting in blender down. That's what I really want it for & snapping one up right now just means I'll pay more.

[@FauxHammer]

Wish I could sculpt

[@NightfallTH]

05:30 okay, truth be told: i) will I see a difference with my naked eye between the elite printers (D2; Phr Mini 8k) and the 28.5um printers (Saturn 2; 8k; M3), even down to the 34-35um Printers (Photon 6k) when I print 28-32mm miniatures? And if I see differences, is this difference worth the price increase? You are helping me so much with your 3D Printer videos, thanks! :)

[@FauxHammer]

I) probably not, I had a realisation this last week. I print the holes and posts on these flat photo steers tests and talk about them often. I with a balanced exposure and higher sharpness resins, like phrozen or Elegoo 8k. I can never print posts 14 or 15z which are .1mm and .05mm. Now you can get probably get resins that will do this. But if these machines with these resins can’t print details of 100 or 50 microns. Why is anyone arguing over machines that print 35 vs 28

[@NightfallTH]

@@FauxHammer thanks! Just ordered the Saturn (1) 8k :)

[@FauxHammer]

@@NightfallTH great printer

[@NightfallTH]

@@FauxHammer I'm glad you say that :) What layer thickness would you recommend for painting Warhammer Scale Miniatures? I have already experience 3D printing on my old Anycubic Photon Mono, so I thought testing out and finding good settings with 30um is my first to-do. Or do you think it is better to stay at 50um layer thickness?

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

The Klingon Empire likes this printer

[@FauxHammer]

QAPLA!!!

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

I had a bit of trouble getting it to print, but I am using ABS Like resin and it needs 5.5 to 7 seconds, also because I am printing larger objuects.@@FauxHammer

[@FlesHBoX]

ahh man... This video almost makes me wish I had grabbed the Mighty 8k instead of the Saturn 2 :/ Then again, I got the Saturn 2 for $450, which was a hard thing to pass up... Maybe I can convince myself that I need both! lol

[@FauxHammer]

The Saturn 2 at that price is a steal, it’s almost theft to get such quality so cheap, don’t be disappointed. Both are great printers

[@xXKisskerXx]

my only issue is you mention the price is 'about right' - but never mention the price. You also stated it came with the RevoPop 2 but... I can't find that deal anywhere, and the revopop 2 is like.. $600 on it's own, so that would make this bundle over $1200? also the pile of heads at the end makes me think of some dystopian future where you've been cloned and killed hundreds of times and your various heads are all piled up - and i like it.

[@ccatlett1984]

The Mighty has known issues with the Light Array, that they have not been able to resolve with multiple users.

[@FauxHammer]

I’ve not seen this myself

[@dazlee]

I def can’t afford one of these. The mighty isn’t on their website. The one they have on is £1800 plus £200 shipping 😮.

[@FauxHammer]

It’s here stand alone with free resin? phrozen3d.com/collections/sonic-mighty-series/products/phrozen-sonic-mighty-8k-resin-3d-printer?variant=43781378867387?aff=176

[@5az2]

I have to disagree with the statement that Phrozen have little extra quality. I ordered Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k a while back, plugged in and received some weird artefacts on my prints. Then I spent almost 3 weeks searching for solutions online, testing different settings, different resins, temperatures. I even bought a replacement screen and got the same issues (this was back when replacement screen was 100 USD converting from my currency). Turns out that after dissassembling to plug in the old screen and making sure that it is parallel to the socket I finally got normal prints. If the company can't make assemble their product properly, than I can't say that they go extra mile with their quality. But they released more printers since then and possibly they rectified this mistake. But I don't think I will ever get another printer from them.

[@FauxHammer]

You get bad eggs, I get that. But having this channel has made me see directly I get comments like this for every brand. It did something weird, turns out bad assembly, won’t buy again. That’s fair enough, I get the pain if a bad experience, I had a bad experience with my mini 4K too as shown on my vid, no assembly issue just component failure. But equally, I spent 10 years of my life as a laptop technician and have seen robustness in the worst thought of brands and poor failures and weird design choices amongst the best brands. Not trying to convince you to stick with Phrozen, that not my job. Just reiterating that shit happens.

[@DrMcCoy]

"my 4th 10 inch screen 8k printer" We get it, you're swimming in mad cash :P

[@FauxHammer]

Lol, I’ve only paid for 2 of them

[@FelixTheAnimator]

​@@FauxHammer Mad luck then.

[@drune6212]

This is great but way over my budget, I am currently looking at the Saturn 8k with the Mercury XS Washing and Curing Station bundle and 2L of resin, for $500aud less than this printer.

[@FauxHammer]

That’s a great printer, be sure to check out my 8k review and comparison with the Saturn 2 if you havent already.

[@drune6212]

@@FauxHammer I have been watching all your vid's over the last 3 months or so, I only found you a few weeks back but are really enjoy your chanel.

[@MaheerKibria]

So from my point of view it comes down to whether the $200 is worth it for the hardened steel build plate and having front USB. As you said they all print about the same and provide the same quality prints. Quality of life is good and all that but most of these quality of life seem to be about setup and leveling which means It doesn't affect me most of the time. I am not saying Anycubic and Elegoo can't learn from it I'm just saying It's not the reason I will buy the printer. At $40-60 i can but 5-3 new build plates for the extra price of the printer. so this is a pass for me. Don't get me wrong there are quality of life that I would pay for because it would actually make my experience better: heating for more consistent prints, separating the slicer image from slicer settings so i can use the same slice file for different resins, runout sensors or automatic refill. Things that will make my 3d printing experience better because Setup and leveling is something i rarely do.

[@FauxHammer]

Agreed, a heater over that webcam any day. Not saying it’s worth it or not here, that’s down to the individual. I just inform. I have a direct comparison video coming out in just over a week to show what I think if the differences

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

You might mention that you can convert this machine into a 12 K machine for an extra 300 dollars.

[@FauxHammer]

Well, you couldn't at the time. But I have now and you loose a few small featured in doing it.

[@GarryWButler]

$899.00 US fro the printer, so you are paying for those convenience items. $500 for the Saturn 8k, $600 for the Saturn 2 8K. I’m not saying it is not worth the pricing, just being realistic about the cost. (I not including sale prices.)

[@ChrisEpler]

It's $541 for the Mighty 8k.

[@FauxHammer]

I did not say that in this video but I am working on a comparison video coming in the next few weeks

[@Emtbtoday]

Can't you give a hint on courier exposure? Was it the dreaded Hermes now Evri by any chance? I've had alot packages stolen from this company damage opened to see what's inside and delivered open if its nothing they want ormfornthe garden but 3 phones have gone missing and 2 pairs air max I've got a list now it's shocking! This was when it was named Hermes and why they changed it because to many law suites against the name and was suspended from trading under that name! My anycubics have been delivered from evri local but I think because I know the delivery driver personally now I get my packages OK! Touch wood! This is very concerning though as I am just away to order one of these but now I'm gonna have to think about this and find out what courier service is doing the 3rd party deliveries from Phrozen direct or Phrozen via local E auction warehouse

[@peterkiss1204]

4:43 That internal design is definitely sketchy. It rather looks like a hobby project than a full-fledged product. There is zero cable management in there. No tying points, no guiding posts, no cable clamps. Who uses a USB hub inside of a standalone device, let alone heavy and stiff USB cables? It's a guarantee of connections breaking loose from the smallest mechanical influence. Not poka-yoke! Half of the plugs are interchangeable with each other and may cause serious damage if plugged into the wrong socket. Fixing the front panel with hot glue doesn't seem to be a proper solution either. It looks like a nightmare to assemble. Half of the internal cable works could have been eliminated with proper PCB placement and design. It may be a user friendly printer with many great features but the internal design is definitely half-assed.

[@FauxHammer]

They all do, trust me, this is good

[@PremierArtfxStudio]

Plz Dnt promote phrozen, it's worst brand.. one of worst product sonic mini 4k.. after product released, they launched upgrade kit and selling with shame for extra fund.. greedy compny.. if they vry well know about their worst product, then it's their duty to provide free of cost to all buyer and provide upgrade kit free of cost to all vender.. After phrozen worst experience i bought anycubic mono 4k, now it's working like butter, and this tym i hv 2 anycubic mono 4k and both working so smooth.

[@FauxHammer]

Not really sure how to respond to this. I’m not favouring any brand. I’m just telling you what they do

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

I don’t use the camera

[@FauxHammer]

Nobody does

[@arenaoftheancients8851]

Sorry I unsubscribed from your channel after you "chucked that whole piece in the bin". Uncured Resin is TOXIC and needs to be cured first before being tossed! I also see you inverting your gloves and probably do the same "chucking into the bin" along with all the uncured resin inside... that is just irresponsible.

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry to have lost you, but this is honestly the first I am hearing about this. I'm now down a rabbit hole of info about how to deal with uncured resin.... I knew not to just throw out IPA and the like,. did not know about uncured resin in general!

[@Emtbtoday]

I think it's overpriced yes! At £600 its just to much for it £500 would be sort of right priced and remove that camera but include a mount to mount your own small intagrated WIFi camera with dongle! Or have it as an optional extra for £19.99 or something i am interested in this printer but im sure there is a better one out there at same or lower price! I have seen reviews about the wifi file transfer currupting files alot half way through a print it will stop and is only available to be used with chitubox?

[@brandonmcdaniel4216]

I'd of rather had a heater than some gimmick camera for the money.

[@erik3205]

I'm amazed these companies are not taking advantage of adding heaters.

[@ChrisEpler]

@@erik3205 Fire risks and lawyers.

[@ChrisEpler]

That's what I did: i.imgur.com/Z0eUL5w.jpg - Home made carbon filter on the left, home made heater on the right (PTC element w/thermostat and printed case, keeps it at a nice 75-78F).

[@FauxHammer]

100% agree

[@ChrisEpler]

Keep that plastic scraper out of the vat, unless you like scratches on the film. The camera is crap, bad image quality, not wide enough view, never pointing where you need it, capture button lags enough to where you can't catch the plate in the up position...etc etc etc.. I ripped mine out and put a heater in it's place, much more practical. (100W PTC heater running only 1 of the 50W elements). Oh and if you're gonna spill that much resin around your vat you might wanna tape the edges :-/ that stuff doesn't dry and it migrates....on to your LCD screen....eek...

[@FauxHammer]

I don’t care for printed as much as some people should, they are on my bench for review then they go into the pile of printers waiting to be used for future comparison content, or scrapped. Oooh how did you do the heater mod? Would love to see this and have a go…

[@lamania32]

They should not learn anything from the Phrozen team! The customer support is equal to "0" lots ppl having problems just after a week of use: slicer incompatibilities, firmware problems, Z axis issues. hardware problems and the manufacturer do not stand behind the product. If you will run into problems most likely you will be at your own might going to end up with an 800 dollar or more paperweight.

[@FauxHammer]

The one time I used them I found them to be good.

[@make756perday]

"Don't raise your voice, improve your argument." ---

[@FauxHammer]

Oooh yay, a spam bot! I must be getting popular

[@uglyduckling81]

You should always be pantsless when you approach this printer. That way the CCP spy that's watching will turn it off from embarrassment when he sees the size of your enormous unit. Works a bit like that Rick and Morty episode actually.

[@FauxHammer]

You have me worried now as I'm frequently pantsless when I'm in the same room as it. And I'm in the UK where pants means underwear, not trousers

[@uglyduckling81]

@@FauxHammer Of course, im not some North American savage. Pants in Australia means anything below the shirt and above the socks. For men anyway.

[@Digitalfiendscom]

@FauxHammer Great review. I'm thinking of picking this up + the 12k upgrade kit to replace my Mini 4K. Is that camera removable? I'm wondering if it's possible to reuse hole, that the camera cable goes through, to run the power cable for a mini heater (as I'd rather not modify the hood). Do you think that would work? Obviously you might have to modify the metal case at the back with a small hole.

[@pictermillanmurillo3882]

want to buy a 3D printer but rigth now i'm even more confused 🥲. GOOD VIDEO THO!

[@FauxHammer]

What do you want to print and what is your budget?

[@pictermillanmurillo3882]

@@FauxHammer around 600 i was thinking ANYCUBIC Photon M3 Premium 8K Resin 3D Printer, but now im not sure if i should go with the dlp

[@FauxHammer]

again though, what do you want to print and for what reason? are you printing a miniature army? get them 3 for the bigger plate. are you printing your own models for display purposes. DLP is more acctuare to the model, but you sacrifice build volume. The m3 is a great all rounder if you have that budget.

[@pictermillanmurillo3882]

@@FauxHammer well def not miniatures, more like figures/statues 12 in height