What Handling Does in GHOST RECON WILDLANDS - What Weapon Stats Affect and How They Differ

[@dingchavez5752]

Great video. It’s a couple years old, but I’ve got back into Wildlands so it’s fun checking out these old videos. I usually go for the highest damage, but going more for accuracy and handling. Although I still go with LMG. The Stoner is my fav. Takes down helicopters pretty good.

[@backwaterskinny]

From my own testing I find accuracy is what keeps your aim on target with less recoil and tight shot group. Handling is how fast you draw, reload, and initial reticle to target. I usually drop handling for accuracy... this allows super tight shot groups with little recoil.

[@Darkdally]

This sounds right, to be honest. I don't know why through all my testing, and as you see in this video, my shot grouping got worse as I increased accuracy and decreased handling but what you say makes sense. And many have commented on why no butt stock is making a tighter shot group as it does in this video. I'm going to pin your comment to the top, because yeah it totally makes sense. I'm going to get back to this, test more, and make a follow up video. Thanks for watching man.

[@attika70]

Yeah but he did put on the Grenade launcher thats why he had that bad recoil with nearly max accuracy,so its not accurate what he doing!

[@attika70]

And by the way obviously give more speed(mobility) the more is the handling,try out example with a vector with max accuracy then with max handling possible then you can feel the difference.

[@JamesDulin]

Did you swap the mag size? It may have gone higher with more bullets in the mag?

[@Darkdally]

I did swap the mag and didn't catch it till later. I have this whole testing process refined in an upcoming series which will start hopefully tomorrow. I read all the comments I can to see what I did wrong or what I missed, and I think I have a better way to compare weapons.

[@justinmalangoni9467]

I just got this game and your videos are by far the best I've found, thank you for the testing and time you put in to deliver a ton of useful information.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

how does a folded/no buttstock reduce recoil????

[@filthykallahan6399]

Caliginous Moira Maybe by moving the guns center of gravity forward, putting more weight at the front of the weapon, hence reducing recoil.

[@CaptainOguretz]

I thinks it increases handling in terms of reload speed and movement, as well as adjusting the reticle faster. it makes sense, cause wothout a buttstock it is easier to manuever with the weapon. However, it should increase recoil. Nevertheless, since all these things are components of the "Handling" stat, the overall effect on that stat is positive. Basically what I'm trying to say, is that improves handling, but not necessary by decreasing the recoil.

[@BiggsTheOwl]

CaptainOguretz without a stock it should increase the recoil, you are aware that the stock is what absorbs the kick which is why you have to lean into it when shooting, if you have no stock, you have nothing to lean into to absorb the shock from the shot

[@punkypink83]

it really really shouldn't. but this game simplifies gun mechanics, i.e. accuracy is your shot wandering from left to right, and handling is your muzzle climb. what biggs gaming said too. the butt stock adds an additional point of contact thru which recoil is absorbed and the weapon is controlled. removing it should make accuracy AND recoil worse, not better, even with better handling stats.

[@TheJadeStorm87]

Really I think it is just for game mechanics balance and a little of that video game magic in what gets lumped into the handling stat. Also we can't really consider all these stats accurate to the real life counter parts. If they were trying to be accurate most of the stats of so many guns would be next to identical.

[@DrShotput]

I know it's basic but when I play, I focus on damage and accuracy stats, as well as making sure my trigger is preferably burst-3, however my new favourite gun is the MP7 maxed for accuracy, as it has a high fire rate with great accuracy relative and decent damage, + high penetration and handling. Its just a great gun. I also really love the Deimos Crossbow... Its almost too op

[@superezbz]

I love the 805 Bren for its handling stat. If you can squeeze 3 and 4 shot groups you can almost put them in the same hole. It's currently my favorite rifle.

[@jamesh4966]

I like all your testing of weapons. Could you do an in-dept test on the crossbow? It's pretty amazing for long distance and power. Looking forward to seeing it.

[@Darkdally]

That is a great idea. I will try to remember to do that. Feel free to DM me on Discord and remind me or I may forget. Here's a new link to my Discord server: discord.gg/sCy4RwH

[@NAWWMANNN]

I'm super late to the party with this game and all the videos about it, but these are some of the best videos I've seen delving into the underlying mechanics of any game. I've been playing wildlands for a while now, and I'm at tier 30. Been playing most of this time even before getting to tier mode at level 30 on extreme difficulty with no mini map. And most of the stats for guns I've been able to just ignore without any issues. I really don't pay any attention to handling, mobility or noise reduction. I mod my guns for the longest barrels, highest damage possible and highest accuracy and range I can get, and I don't feel like there is any detrimental effect on handling or "mobility". Even for extreme difficulty and no mini map or crosshair. I really think most of the stats attributed to each gun are just bullshit lol

[@blanegillum6700]

Lol when you were talking abt the worst things to do with the mk17 that’s exactly how I set mine up lol

[@punkypink83]

the mk17 has a slower reload speed with a smaller mag capacity because it is chambered for 7.62x51 nato rounds. they're much bigger than 5.56 nato rounds. have you seen how much bigger the mk17 mag is compared to a 30 round 5.56 mag?

[@Darkdally]

Oh for sure.

[@TyProductions17]

Darkdally your response is hilarious. It looks like you have no clue what shes talking about.

[@Darkdally]

I must've read it too fast and just replied to the general statement which is the rounds being larger lol. I do read all the comments I can, but some more hurriedly than others. lol I definitely know what she's saying, because I have a lot of experience with 5.56 nato from when I served, and I own a rifle personally which is 7.62x54, which is even larger than what the SCAR uses, but yeah - there's a vast difference.

[@punkypink83]

yep a vast difference indeed. it's also the only weapon in game classed as an AR firing the 7.62 nato rounds, so no surprise it takes longer to reload. Having said that however, your video gave me ideas about using the Mk17 in a similar marksman role to how i use the SR25 and Mk14 in game. and i find that it confers certain advantages in the same role over using the SR25 or Mk14. Pros: as it's an AR you can carry far more rounds for it. You can also have a larger mag, letting you be less likely to be caught out between reloads. It also sounds a lot more muted suppressed than the SR25. For a small loss in accuracy you can also bring a grenade launcher to the party for even more firepower while retaining it in the Marksman role. Also the ability to go full auto, which you don't get with the SR25. Cons: as it's an AR you can't carry another AR for close up work(not if you want to avoid draining from the same ammo pool), so a SMG or shotty will have to fulfill your CQ needs. inability to fit anything with a higher magnification than a 4x ACOG. marginally worse handling(reloading with a 30 rd mag takes 4 secs vs about 2.5 for the SR25 and 3.0 for the Mk14's respective 20 round mags) But it's not a bad idea at all, and kudos to your video for giving me the idea!

[@DeathWishGaming]

"I own a rifle personally which is 7.62x54(r)" So... is it a Mosin or a Mosin?

[@emeresbestres1]

After playing with lots of ARs I always come back to ACR or AUG A3

[@nathanflores8054]

emeresbestres1 really? i like the tarvor... i tried the acr, but i havnt used the aug... when i got it i put on my attachments and the stat bars didnt seem to promising but i will give it a shot

[@emeresbestres1]

Aug is awesome Nathan. I used Tar before but I like the handling on Aug. It helps with faster aiming and reloading.

[@cassiespencer6134]

Hence the expression 'Speed is fine. Accuracy is final'. And the Mk-17 with long barrel, suppressor, extended mag, M203, T5Xi scope and ATPIAL (PEQ-15) is my primary weapon in the game. I also carry the M249 SAW, HTI and FN 5.7. However, regardless of ones loadout, it's tactics that make the biggest difference and largely determine the outcome of an engagement.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

I don't know if anyone notices this but handling affects how fast you aim the gun. Something with bad handling takes 2 seconds to get the gun into aim. Something with high handling takes no time to aim. This saves you precious moments when you need them. Instead of waiting for the gun to come up to your eye you can be moving the gun where you need it to shoot. Put the gun into scope mode then take a bad handling gun a hold down the left trigger. It takes 2 seconds to aim. Take a good handling gun then hold down the left trigger. It takes no time. I realized this feature is more important than any other and really started to value handling over all others. I use the mp7 and to me that's the best gun. The scorpion is good too but mp7 is a little better.

[@CMDRSweeper]

Hmmm Interesting, I now see why I can get away with dropping handling through the floor on my most of my guns. Reload times is usually not an issue with my play style, and the reticule centering time I have solved with technique as I rarely have the need to rapidly swipe over targets. In such situations I rely on the full auto to put the lead where it needs to go with the accuracy stat, still nice to know what handling actually does for me as the game is very vague on that front.

[@whoopooted115]

I've grown very fond of the 556. It just complements my play style.

[@archseer_]

nice video. Also noticed the differences in how Handling affects the performance of the weapon. One stark difference i noticed was bringing the gun to target. not really sure about the differences between one AR and another, but it has made me appreciate the high handling of SMGs when compared to AR, especially at close quarter fights when you want to bring the gun to target as quickly as possible.

[@DG_Teg]

After having the game since 2018 I finally started playing the PvE a months ago. your videos are really helpful.

[@casperockley9244]

This doesn't really seem to affect me since I just either use the ACR semi-auto or the AUG burst. Not much of an automatic guy when it comes to Tom Clancy's.

[@COLBYtheDRAGON]

YOUVE LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON IVE SEEN DO ANY TESTING ON THIS ....IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A VID LIKE I.E. (DRIFTOR TMARTN INKSLASHER EXCLUSIVEACE) THAT REVIEWS MECHANICS ....AND YOUVE REALLY HELPED ME OUT

[@CJones5050]

R5 primary with SR25 back up. Extended Mag 1911 for secondary. All day. Every day. 🤙

[@nathanflores8054]

little tip, you can turn up aim sensetivity in settings if the weapon just doesn't have enough handling to turn at your comfortable rate.. ps thumbs upd the video... thanks for clearing that up.... i figured that accuracy delt with recoil and bullet spread since the attachments seem like it would help with recoil.... but i was wrong

[@lockedon8953]

I've noticed that high handling seems to have better ads as well

[@gamersanonymous4me131]

Setting up the gun with attachments, for its best effect, has to take everything into account and the gun will ALWAYS perform differently than the specs show it to do, although they will have an indication of effect. Accuracy, shot grouping, damage, and rate of fire will get you faster kill rates and range. Its always going to improve things with additions to the gun. Adding the V2 compensator on a LMG will greatly improve it and why not use it, its a loud gun and will never be used as a silent gun, so go loud and increase the accuracy and damage, and lower the bullet spread. The set up will vary as best for you on what your play style is. A longer range guy doesnt need handling, he needs accuracy, range and damage, a rambo needs less accurate but higher handling gun because the accuracy only comes into play at long range, a submachine gun doing hip fire at close range doesn't need tight groups and will be more effective. Some guns will be much better after all the correct attachments are added than the stock gun without any attachments, it will be night and day in each class. So you decide on carrying an assault rifle and play with each one and find better ones, but...you will have to get ALL the attachments for each gun before you can really compare them and spend alot of time with them. The first assault rifle the 416 is a good gun and upgraded a much better gun (50rnd mag, red-dot, underbarrel grenade launcher, lazer 3 dot, suppressor), but it is no rival for the AK 12 or 556xi or Tar21 decked out as they also can sport a underbarrel grenade launcher and a 50 round mag and all the other upgrades. If anyone thinks having the ultimate handling will save their hide and forgoes having a 50 round mag on board they will die over and over for lack of bullets. If having an under barrel grenade launcher gets sacrificed because it lowers handling, then they will die to truckloads of reinforcments showing up, unless they are aimbot precise in their shooting skills and guess what? On extreme or Tier 1, you will die in any shoot outs, you best use explosives. But...I guess you learn to adapt to whatever you use and make it work or perish.

[@r6201sk]

good video .. Ubi got that wrong... how heavier rifle, specially in front results in higher recoil? ... game is fun but things like this, inconsistency in mechanisms, simplifying everything, funky ballistics etc makes it annoying at times .. anyway you have new sub, looking forward for next analysation. you might also check how noise reduction suppressors is fake and only differs between weapon classes, not between guns within class. easy to test my... And yes handling changes more sensitivity too (how fast you move it)

[@Elzimbabwe.]

You're wrong, the recoil climb is higher because you added a 30 round mag to your MK17 which is going to make the recoil go up for a longer time and higher.

[@BXBATMAN]

Really looking forward to this series.

[@anthonymaldonado8018]

One thing I dont understand in the game is that the folded buttstock increases handling. However in the description is states that it will hinder stability/recoil (which is handling.) i personally think that an extended buttstock or even a standard buttstock would handle better then no/folded buttstock.

[@andrewwhitson2472]

anthony maldonado the way they have accuracy and handling in the game is very unrealistic. In real life handling would account for both of what the game calls accuracy and handling. And accuracy in real life could be tested by single shot grouping from a stable position, not rise of the barrel after multiple shots.

[@anthonymaldonado8018]

Andrew Whitson , in the division accuracy was how the spread/reticule bloom was on a gun. Looks like handling would have taken the place of stability and reload speed. I just have no clue why they would change stat mechanics between games.

[@andrewwhitson2472]

anthony maldonado yep you're right. It doesn't make much sense.

[@motivepigeon]

Sorta. On smaller cal weapons where recoil doesnt matter as much having no stock makes it weigh less and handle a lot better for corners and moving in genral. Also I play airsoft and I hate using weapons with stocks on them, they only get in the way since airsoft doesn't have recoil (I do have blowbacks with stocks but thats besides the point) and I like keeping on the move constantly. I have a Ak74m with a foldable stock and a 8x40 scope. Its a lot easier and way more fluid to switch targets without a stock, even with the scope. If I'm at a range and I've hunkered down somewhere, and I don't have a ledge to put my weapon on ill un-fold the buttstock. But otherwise folded so I can dip when I need. But it would be a way different story with anything real above a 9mm. 22cal weapons don't need a stock. However this is mostly just my overall opinion, I just happin to find it easier, could be a lot different for other people, especially for those who have 0 recoil control and lose control even with an outdoor hose.

[@COLBYtheDRAGON]

DARKDALLY ALITTLE MORE INDEPTH THOUGHT.... WHAT IF THE IND. PARTS CHANGE A IND. STAT OR MECHANIC ....I.E. SMALLER MAG =FASTER RELOAD?

[@GOMD77]

Great video! I think you should compare the timing and such by placing the two clips side by side. Would be a little better for the viewers to see the difference .

[@learapilado5342]

Dis video actually helped me know da difference between accuracy n handling thx 👌

[@quigster8319]

Just found your vids and I like they way you present information. I sub'ed. It would be interesting to not only identify what parameters are contained in each stat (handling = reticle bloom, muzzle climb, swing speed and reload speed) but identify some measurement values for each component (reload time from x to x based on min / max values), etc. Then again, could be a lot of work and time for something that is more of a curiosity. Keep up the great work.

[@mishamisha8752]

I use MK17(Level 30), M1911 and HTI(L.30 but only for vehicles- 1 shots helicopters and armored SUVs), If you master the MK17 its good for up to 500m. I have it with suppressor, ACOG, Longest barrel, regular but stock and 20rnd mag.

[@malcolmkhummel3]

it also effects how fast you fire from the hip. with no handling it may take a half a second to near instaneous with full handling

[@djwiggles666]

0:52 "..reticule.."

[@angelaclairesaldate6926]

makes me wonder how pvp is going to work.. looking forward to the series dally.

[@z0mbyz624]

You can compensate the slower turn speed with high sensitivity

[@farmerj06]

I was literally just at that village right before i started watching

[@robertmessenger575]

Cleared my thoughts up, great vid, now one of your subs, can't wait for more info, keep up the good work mate

[@Darkdally]

Thanks for the sub, man. I'm doing a lot more testing, I hope you enjoy the vids.

[@Bshwag]

It looks like the low handle high ac you hand a really nice paternities for the first 5 rounds or so.

[@chiefhutch8993]

Thank you for putting in the work for this game. Well put together video and you have earned my sub! Thank you

[@mrj5716]

When you Maxed out the accuracy the shot grouping was a lot straighter than maxed handling

[@TcherryTHOREST]

Thank you for this video.

[@Invader6ix]

thank you for the information I really needed this because I felt like was just seeing things

[@unmog4223]

reload isnt based on the handling stat really, its based on specific parts. Like your magazine.

[@dirtsailoroff-road5580]

Well it's a video game. Equiping a suppressor on your weapon will not make your bullet go slower. It would make it go slightly faster, unless your using subsonic ammo that's under the speed of sound so you don't have the "crack" sound. Using subsonic ammo would also decrease velocity, damage, range, ect. If you use normal ammo and a suppressor it would go the same speed only quiet enough to not wear hearing protection but it is still considerably loud. that's one of my issues with most games and in real life using subsonic ammo with a rifle and suppressor. A 147 grain 9mm would be way more effective because it's carrying a heavier bigger bullet the same speed as a smaller rifle bullet.

[@jamal69jackson77]

I just find myself using the suppressed MP5 with the wide open reticle instead of any assault rifle because of how well it just performs in general and because of that that thin, wide open red dot sight that is available for it. Aside from that I use the HTI for long range, but I can't seem to bring myself to use anything else besides the MP5 for CQC even though it lacks some damage and penetration power. At least I do have the ability to increase its damage while playing on Tier 1 mode.

[@RipStikSnyper19cal]

Awesome vids subbed n notifications on my fav gun is 556 modded for accuracy I use Russian red dot hybrid full auto I manually burst have almost 700 kills n 35% accuracy guns so good has performed much better for me than ACR that I used to start the game

[@Sushityphoon01]

this is the vid i was lookin for, i was curious about the stats.

[@timothybaldwin8201]

My favorite weapon is the P90 personally

[@Darkdally]

The P90 is definitely a serious SMG. I haven't even started comparing SMG stats yet, but I look forward to getting there. My favorite is possibly the SR-635. It has a much slower ROF, but that allows you to easily pop off a shot at a time without switching the fire mode, which is great in stealth.

[@COLBYtheDRAGON]

TAR IS MY GO TO IT FEELS THE MOST WELL ROUNDED

[@bluelab5019]

ACR all day long for me. Although the AUG comes a very close 2nd. Vector for my SMG and again the MP7 is a really close second.

[@Buzzedd777]

Great vid, answers many questions. What exactly does the penatration stat do? Impact through a bullet proof vest maybe?

[@emeresbestres1]

Nicely explained...thanks.

[@justin2movies]

One thing I noticed on your video was you were noting the climb after changing to a bigger mag (among other items), this allowed you to fire longer. You should redo the test and keep the same mag size.

[@Darkdally]

I did notice that after I was finished with the video and was watching it. It still did climb higher at the 20 round mark (the size of the magazine with max handling). That last burst I fired when I ran out of ammo was from 18 rounds if I recall - BUT you are correct sir. I've done a lot since this video, and I have an upcoming series comparing groups of weapons at a time using much better techniques.

[@BurningWarSword]

Another thing I would make more clear, is that the effect of Recoil is the Inverse of the Handling value. That is, the higher the handling, the more the recoil. This is because a high-handling weapon is lighter and is easier to maneuver. A heavy weighty weapon is not so easily manipulated due to inertia and that weight absorbs the recoil. Also I like to think of Accuracy as "Spread". It is a simple word that helps me keep them straight. As for myself, I generally prefer higher Handling on CQ weapons (Shotguns for example) and Rangy weapons to be more Accurate; if I must choose between the two (as is often the case). Thanks for the vids Mr. Dark.

[@JSNurFRND]

I love your break down vids so very informative and helpful to me an old guy like me try to best some of these cats on pvp is hard

[@eighty-aitch]

Very informative. Just got yourself another sub!

[@repaleonhalo9754]

Handling also effects walk speed while aiming

[@spectre0096]

use Compensator v2 and short barrel and a scope of your choice then youl have no recoil except R5 rgp

[@jiwonsinpark]

Next we have to test noise reduction using a suppressor and realize that it doesn't mean anything. EVERY assault rifle is heard when being 34 meters away or lower when suppresed, snipers 50(close to that) when suppressed, etc etc etc

[@thothheartmaat2833]

better way well that's because suppressors and silencers are not silent. It still sounds like a gun shot it just doesn't echo off in the distance. It sounds like a loud crack.

[@adamc8409]

The 17 works great as a dmr style i use it to snipe and i use an lmg for go loud lead dump.

[@SpaceCadetKuba]

I know I'm really late but what would you rather have on a gun, high accuracy or high handling. I'm confused on what I need to focus on to have my gun be the best killing machine it could possibly be?

[@mokujin29]

So accuracy as well as handling dictates the recoil ?

[@imoffthegrid2158]

You're shooting at A.I. , so use extended mag and a sight.

[@bryanbroacosta]

Ah so mobility and recoil both fall into handling. reload speed, weapon sway and how many shots fired per click of trigger is handling also, but accuracy only affects the spread horizontally and how on point to the target it can be and sometime hip fire accuracy

[@RaffyJoaquin]

Hey Darkdally have tried playing around with the R5 RGP? She's pretty good too.

[@gtownwr]

how do you shoulder the weapon without aiming down sights in this game?

[@SHOOTER3258]

you are so wrong! handling in this game is how fast you can ADS. for better control you have muzzle brake that means better horizontal control.

[@gurugoguzhanson]

Even moving the gun towards the target is affected.

[@pdt7991]

I love the Mk17. I use mine as my secondary, sniper rifle.

[@friggindoc]

Black pidgeon Speaks? Is that you?

[@GoalieStrings]

Handling also effects speed of movement

[@fathersun6238]

Yeah but this weapon is between sniper and assault rifle plus this game is all about tactics so you play more semi auto.After all these no reason for big handling PROFESSOR right???

[@fathersun6238]

Play with handling if you like to be carried cuz this game is only for extreme difficulty & no Zen: platform or programs: PC

[@TheVenomreaver]

Good vid subbed

[@daArseReaper]

I'm new to the channel and I subscribed

[@cammobus]

That was Great Thanks ....

[@2skill4u28D]

try a flat surface next time it seem that u was moving down a slope

[@chuckymaycry8126]

nice vid .not my choice of weapon but i like too balance handling and accuracy . they shouldnt try to balance weapon vs others some or better and aloud the body armor to absorb some shot .just saying

[@Leonardo_ok_]

This low sensitivity using joypad is ridiculous, even on max, thats why i'm using mouse and keyboard, not a Xbox one controller anymore on this game.

[@hurtzz-lz5gl]

This game needs a strong PSN community.

[@repaleonhalo9754]

SRAS A1 sniper feels nice

[@sb9269]

I am a fan of the mk17 by far the best with no handling

[@aphilly2158]

which guns are the best to run dark

[@CheekiStalker]

Handling seem like a niche stat...

[@Alienking01]

I think the second time you moved and aimed faster.

[@Jebotito]

the gun mechanics doesnt make any sense at all. the MK.17 scar-H is chambered in 7.62x51mm, a Mk.16 scar-L is the 5.56 version. now take the 7.62 one. i bet my life i get a tighter grouping with an extended stock. the stock mag size for the gun is 20, btw

[@mesrszmit6295]

i'm using TAR-21

[@liquididentity101]

In this video: confirmation bias.

[@Satans_Redneck]

So its opposite from real life and physics, heavier gun should lower recoil not increase it

[@nathang4570]

What did you say your the effect of handling and accuracy was? Is that sexual harassment?

[@Shadowhawk_]

You sir just gained a sub ;)

[@Shady4982]

handling doesn't effect reload speed at all.

[@austinlamons3729]

m4 is my fav rifle.

[@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906]

I don't really care about handling 😂 my play style is semi auto only, cuz all my guns in real life are semi auto only, plus, semi auto is much more efficient than full auto. Even with LMGs I'm doing 2-4 round burst. All I care about is authentic looks 😂

[@jg3_75]

RediCULE lol. It’s reticle

[@patricksalisch3389]

n1 pal

[@toxici6622]

what does damage do?

[@gamersanonymous4me131]

faster kill time, less bullets needed, ability to penetrate concrete walls better, penetrate choppers better and shoot them down, low damage wont do much except against enemies out in the open.

[@WeebSlayer71]

Its this po+rnhub??? Cuz i came 10 times before this guy selected a female in the game...

[@ATXNick]

Quit spinning the camera!

[@zuccsucc476]

Cod players inaccurate . They be like hey why didn’t my bullet hit that guy instantly and why is there bullet drop and where is my exo suit

[@jj.jayjay.]

Ha ha

[@Kenny.G60]

I don't understand how a folded butt stock reduces recoil, especially when you're firing with it folded