What Happened to Jesus' Body? Was He Buried on the Day of His Crucifixion?

[@montagdp]

Evangelical apologists love to accuse Bart of dishonesty because he changed his mind about the empty tomb, I will note. Looking into the evidence and changing your mind is apparently unthinkable to them.

[@jhake67]

changing your mind after knowing more facts is not dishonesty... it is common sense

[@Jackal_El_Lobo34]

Try explaining any archaeological finding counter to the Bible or debunk the authenticity of old Christian relics and they will just get aggressive.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@jhake67 It's called "learning". ; )

[@PeterSchmuttermaier]

It's what happens if people only learn to think in absolutes.

[@ballasog]

@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 Not even counter to the Bible. Counter to their interpretation. They don't let the Bible speak for itself; they jam their interpretation into it. The Bible has a lot of value if you let it breathe.

[@robertmccormack1208]

megan is great at asking the exact right questions

[@noeldown1952]

That's because Bart tells her which questions to ask 😂

[@robertmccormack1208]

@@noeldown1952 ok.

[@cindybidwellglaze7698]

Not all, I think. He says where he wants it to go, and she asks that plus her own scholarly questions.

[@rpoorbaugh]

32:08

[@AS-fu1kd]

I love how she never interrupts too.

[@kevinbiscoe9589]

Part of the torture for crucifixion, consisted of the body staying on the cross to be consumed by scavengers. The stench was a tool for intimidation.

[@PC-vg8vn]

The Romans respected the Jewish request for bodies to be taken down and buried.

[@harveywabbit9541]

THE RESURRECTION. , The Savior was now (winter) deposited in his tomb. As the Sabbath (winter) was nearing its end, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre, bringing sweet spices (the spring flowers) with them. They found the stone rolled away, i.e., it was spring. Mary ran to Peter (Aries) and told him the Savior's body wasn't in the tomb (winter). Peter, of course, was badly scared, and ran off with another disciple (Pisces) but got outrun, the last passing the Sun first. However, both found the “linen clothes” = the Earth. All then went home, i.e., the two sets of constellations (winter and summer) came into position at the spring equinox. Meanwhile “the vail of the temple (intereaspansum templi = the plane of the solstices) was rent (scissum est = was divided) from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake (mota est = was moved, i.e., over the equinoctial line); and the rocks were rent” by the dissolving frosts. The graves were opened, i.e., the winter was past, and “many saints” (summer constellations) which slept (in the dark hemisphere) arose, and appeared to many, i.e., to such as understood the riddle. Mary stood without, at the sepulchre,” weeping (the latter rain); and as she wept, she stooped down (went below the equator), and, looking, saw two angels in white (the light of spring), sitting, one (Aries) at the head, and the other (Pisces) at the feet (see your almanac), where the body of Jesus had lain. “Why weepest thou?” said the angels. Because, said Mary, I cannot find my Lord. Being a night constellation, she couldn't see the Sun. Turning back just then (Lot's wife looked back), she saw Jesus standing, but didn't know him. He addressed her, when, turning again, she knew him (but didn't see him), and exclaimed Rabboni (My great one). Jesus said, “touch me not;” for I am not ascended to my Father (the Holy Ghost). The Sun and Virgo don’t come in conjunction until the end of the summer. Hence in the spring Jesus said to her: “touch me not;” “but go and tell my brethren that I ascend unto my father, and your Father; and to my God and your God” (Sun entered Aries). * Why did Mary stand without the sepulchre? Because, being a summer constellation, she was obliged to share the lot of God, or Aries, her leader. Night or day, winter or Summer, she is always with the Lord, though she is not always able to see him. Hence the mutual love each bore the other. Of all this Mary duly informed the disciples. On the evening of the first day (month) of the week (the seven summer months), Jesus stood in the midst, i.e., at the spring equinox, and said: - “Peace be unto you,” i.e., let summer come. The disciples were glad to see their Lord (the summer Sun). So, Jesus repeated: - “Peace be unto you.” He then breathed on them, and said: - “Receive ye the Holy Ghost” = the summer wind. This Holy Ghost, by the way, was a terrible fellow. Of him it is said: - “Whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world (year), nor in the world (year) to come.” “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, but this against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”-Mat. 12: 31, 32. Why, Christian? Tell me why? This has been the great stumbling block to both Christians, and Anti-Christians; none being able to resolve it. The Holy Ghost is the summer wind. Now, if you don’t get in and raise a crop during summer, you commit a sin against the Holy Ghost, which will not be forgiven during this year or any subsequent one. “Time once past never returns.” All right. After these things, i.e., after the summer was past, Jesus showed himself to his disciples at the sea of Tiberias. Here, with Simon Peter and others, he entered a ship (Noah's ark). This was at night (winter). During “that night they caught nothing.” In the morning (spring), Jesus stood on the shore; but his disciples didn’t as yet know him-the time being between winter and summer. But Jesus asked: - “Have ye any meat?” No; * answered they. “Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find.” They were in luck; for, Simon Peter drew the net, and caught 153 big fishes and didn’t break his net, i.e., the year was completed and whole. Simon (Pisces) denoted the fishing season, and the 153 big fishes doubtless referred to the number of days in the winter months just past, counting in February at 29 days and adding one extreme as was customary. * At the end of winter, savages usually lacked food.

[@roninofstag8245]

Dr.Tabor has mentioned that Joseph had to take Jesus' body from the tomb and bury him before Passover, since that was a thing for them at the time, as well.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@roninofstag8245 The "tomb" will remain empty until the autumn equinox. This is when Jesus will be crucified in Egypt. Aka the Sun's "fall" into the underworld. He will remain in this "tomb" until the spring equinox where he will again be crucified as part of the pass over celebration.

[@July41776DedicatedtoTheProposi]

@@protochrisdelusional cult.

[@dragonalong6860]

My most anticipated podcast of the week, thank you. Never stop what y'all are doing.

[@horsewithnoname5264]

Always enjoy Dr. Ehrman. A level-headed, apparently unbiased (he doesn't mock or contemn anybody), straightforward analysis that comes across as eminently reasonable. I tend to believe his conclusions because he reasons them out clearly and parsimoniously.

[@secretgoldfish931]

Episode on Barabbas! Yes please!

[@harveywabbit9541]

The thief is a symbol of the winter season. Winter robs the rich (summer season of crop growth) and shares with the poor (winter season of hunger). See story of Zeus and Hermes visiting Philemon and Baucis.

[@dbarker7794]

Nice shoutout to John Dominic Crossan. 👍 Great discussion. Thanks.

[@Sxcheschka]

The class coming in June and the former student of Bart's are two things I'm looking forward to delving into. Love the stuff here so much!

[@jacklabloom635]

Membership in the Southern Baptist Church has continued to decline over the last seventeen years. I have a theory about that. The debates, in years past, on university campuses between atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Christian apologists were great opportunities for the youth to actually hear and see how critical thinking skills vs faith was not really a contest.

[@harveywabbit9541]

It's hard to imagine that any church can be any worse than the SBC.

[@deputyjack1]

@@harveywabbit9541 As much as I didn't want to accept, after decades of intensive study, I would postulate they're actually (of the major denominations) the closest to truth in doctrine and theology...

[@Stefanonymous]

​@@deputyjack1 LOLOLOLOL 😂😂😂. Do you know that Orthodox Christianity exists???!!!

[@Boozeblues]

If that was true why have so many become liberal democrats that think men can be women?

[@timothyharmon9472]

Excellent questions (and answers) this week.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

37:00 it's amazing to hear Dr Ehrman talking about how he adopted a view that goes against the consensus and the authority of his peers, based on evidence and yet he continues in his public career to openly mock those who want to discuss the hypothesis that Jesus was a made up literary character, and he does so using nothing more than arguments from consensus and from authority! This kind of thing is why people accuse Dr Ehrman of being inconsistent. It isn't, as he claims, because he says things in a less detailed way in his popular books than he does in his academic books.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

Even his explanation (37:30) for why most scholars sleepwalk into accepting the consensus mirrors exactly the reasons (which Dr Ehrman rejects) that scholars sleepwalk into the consensus on the hypothesis that Jesus was entirely mythical. It's bizarre to see this cognitive dissonance so openly displayed.

[@erichodge567]

What is your best guess as to who first made up the Jesus myth?

[@michaeldebellis4202]

I’ve heard plenty of “new atheists” mock and belittle Dr. Ehrman. I’ve never seen him be disrespectful in any debate, nor in any of his writings. He always attacks the arguments not the person making them as does any good scholar. Btw, I’m an “old atheist”. I was an atheist before it got trendy. I’m more than willing to believe that there never a Jesus and in fact, before reading Ehrman’s work that’s what I believed. But saying an historical Jesus existed in no way means you support that he walked on water or rose from the dead. Anymore than saying you believe Alexander the Great existed means his father was Zeus as is stated by Plutarch, one of the most reliable scholars from Ancient Greece.

[@kencreten7308]

@@michaeldebellis4202 I agree.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

@@michaeldebellis4202 so what? I'm not saying that it's the same thing to question miracles as it is to question whether someone was fictional. Also, as for being disrespectful, Dr Ehrman may have MANNERS, but he is frequently disrespectful towards those who want to discuss the hypothesis that Jesus didn't exist in history. He was borderline in his debate with Robert Price some years ago, however what I'm really talking about is the offhand way he always answers questions about Jesus mythicism in interviews, laughing at it like it's idiotic, and dismissing it by claiming that "nobody in academia says that". By saying this, he demotes any scholar who entertains this hypothesis with one sentence, while laughing. Not very respectful. He also ignores the fact that scholars either don't speak about this issue because their job would be at risk, or if they do talk about it, that's the reason they can't get a secure job with a university, and they have to work freelance. So no, manners and decorum are not respect. And that's all Dr Ehrman ever has to offer, by the way. He never addresses the hypothesis directly, he doesn't talk about the evidence, he just laughs at people who raise this, and he dismisses them with appeals to consensus and authority, and ad hominems. That's why I found this section so ironic this week, to hear him suddenly on the other side of a hypothesis, defending himself against the exact same arguments that he himself makes on another, equally valid, topic.

[@robinharwood5044]

Now read the empty tomb scene in the Ancient Greek novel “Callirhoe”. Reminiscent of anything? And while you are delving into ancient literature, read the story of Cleomenes, noting his last meal with his twelve followers just before his death.

[@Manfred-nj8vz]

Dear Bart, dear Megan, have you ever thought to talk and comment on literary works that handle the life of Jesus? I am thinking in particular of the novel by Nikos Kazantzakis "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "The Gospel According to Jesus Christ" by José Saramago. It would be very interesting to hear Bart's thoughts about them.

[@tyrannosaurusrector7947]

Where do you think the story of Jposeph of Arimathea come from? If its not a historical memory was it added for rhetorical purposes? What might those purposes have been?

[@Robert_L_Peters]

Bart's response regarding the historicity of death by crucifixion vs. resurrection is interesting. Basically, using historical tools, one can say it is possible or probable or likely that a person who was said to have been crucified, was. But the same tools would have to conclude that a person was not resurrected, since people are not resurrected as a rule.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The sun dies at the autumn equinox/west (evening) and rises from the dead at the spring equinox/east (morning)..

[@deputyjack1]

The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Book by Gary Habermas and Michael R. Licona

[@jeffmacdonald9863]

I kind of wonder about that. Would any amount of evidence still not be convincing? Like, if instead of a handful of believers and the slow growth of a new religion with texts written decades after the fact, we had mass conversions on the spot in Jerusalem of 10s of thousands who had seen a dead man rise up? Hundreds of documents from prominent Jewish and Roman eyewitnesses who hadn't believed while he was alive. Obviously, that's not what we have, but it would certainly be far more convincing.

[@Robert_L_Peters]

@@jeffmacdonald9863 that is interesting. Along those lines, we don't really know how popular the movement was amongst Jews, while Acts wants us to think there are thousands. Alternately, while historically Christianity really takes root among gentiles, even in the large cities that Paul focuses his efforts on, it seems he is writing to handfuls of people meeting in people's houses. Another intriguing question: why would Paul's message of the promised Jewish Messiah, exempting people from the law of Moses, have any appeal to people who had no clue about these things?

[@slik00silk84]

@@deputyjack1 And what a piss poor case it is!

[@gerardpacheco862]

The tomb seal was a soft, moldable substance, probably clay, that was imprinted with the Roman imperial seal and attached to the stone with a rope. Breaking the seal would incur the Empire’s wrath - if someone could get past the guards.

[@geriannenehring9967]

i love this channel and listening to Bart and also Megans great way she hosts and asks questions. BUT what I really want to know is where she gets her great eye glasses. are they all prescriptions .... must be expensive. but very fun!!

[@gnomealone-gu6kr]

IKR? We only see her from the neck up. I bet the rest of her fashion is just as quirky. I could never pull those glasses and that hair off. But I’m really glad she can!

[@lnbjr7]

I find her glasses and hair efforts very distracting and tend to focus on Bart

[@ianjonas7380]

The other thing I've noticed is that in general the burial linen is spoken about as being strips of cloth and maybe a separate piece for the head. This seems to deviate from the turin shroud .

[@LukasOfTheLight]

I was just re-reading a section of "How Jesus Became God" on this topic! Divine providence strikes again, ha. Love the podcast.

[@PC-vg8vn]

you should read 'How God Became Jesus'.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@PC-vg8vn The Lord, God, who is a Sun and a Shield, works in mysterious ways.

[@gerardpacheco862]

The soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear after they arrived and saw that he was already dead. The soldiers did not break his legs as they usually would to speed up the execution because they saw that he was already dead.

[@ericmadison341]

I love this show thanks Bart

[@alsantoshsantana8803]

I already know what Bart is going to say (from other interviews). He is going to very much doubt the story of Joseph of Arimathea, even though the character is mentioned in all gospels-- something that for historians is one evidence of accuracy.

[@johndimiceli5733]

Tovia Singer: 1) Women NEVER anoint male bodies. 2) Dead bodies are not anointed after burial because that would be pointless. So the gospel Easter morning accounts are not true. James Tabor: Jesus was only temporarily buried on his death day. Joseph of Arimathea took the body for permanent burial before the arrival of the women, so explains the empty tomb.

[@BFDT-4]

THAT is a very interesting empty tomb explanation, even though the aftermath of that is still more myth than reality. Very good. I had not put those two bits together before!

[@TankUni]

I like Tabor but his temporary tomb burial seems even more speculative than the explanation that the empty tomb narrative is a fiction.

[@Jackal_El_Lobo34]

I like that explanation but I think the simple answer is probably what actually happened.

[@skeptic_scientist]

I think, that as soon as the sun set on Saturday, Joseph of Arimathea sent his serfs to dump Jesus body in the common pit, because his tomb was for him and his family.

[@sebolddaniel]

I love the Rabbi. He is a scream. I will look for that episode. Perhaps Mark wasn't a Jew at all since he was ignorant of such Jewish practices and had a Roman name. As for Tabor, I don't have a clue whether or not he is a believer. I suspect not. I frankly believe that Jesus was a flimflammer if for no other reason than that he is not exactly helping us out as we press for Armageddon. Something weird about praising a poor woman for giving her last cent to whom? Why does God or the son of God need money at all?

[@gerardpacheco862]

Jewish law and practice at the time required that corpses be buried, as leaving one unburied overnight was considered a defilement of the land.

[@BariatricFitness]

I love her glasses but they make My eyes go cross eyed 😂😂

[@petergrant2561]

I find myself confused because in my mind there is a world of difference between 'being buried' and 'being placed in a tomb'. They are not the same thing. I can't understand how there can be an 'empty tomb' if someone is actually buried. To me, buried means placed in a hole which is then filled with dirt. As in most things, it is essential to fully define terms if one wants to avoid confusion or misinterpreted. So the key question here is what actually happened to his body?

[@PatrickPease]

5:18 is where the academic stuff starts

[@DeadeyeJim327]

Ok, those are awesome glasses.

[@Bjl1976]

James Tabor did an Easter week series breaking down the last week of Jesus' life that was interesting. He states that he believes that the tomb that the body was placed in was not to be his permanent burial spot, but only a holding spot bc the Passover was soon to begin and there was not enough time for complete burial. He cites the last few verses of John 19 to explain this idea.

[@Bjl1976]

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[@getasimbe]

I just went and read that passage and this idea makes a lot of sense. The new tomb clearly wasn't intended for Jesus so there's no way they would have left him there once they could move him. I still have a lot of skepticism about this Joseph of Arimathea character, but assuming somehow someone was able to get Jesus' body that same day, this explanation makes sense to me.

[@Bjl1976]

@getasimbe IIt made a lot of sense to me as well. I had never heard anyone speak of those verses or even read them myself in all my years of Christianity. I always thought it was strange that Mary, or the group of ladies would be going back to mess around with the body again after 3 days of decomposing but if they didn't really have time to complete full burial rituals bc of the time crunch, that return with spices 3 days later starts to become more reasonable. James is really the only historian that I have ever heard speculate on what happened to the body if it was not resurrected. Seems to be a topic that nobody wants to speculate on. I linked the full video in the earlier comment, but it was deleted I guess. Another interesting point he made was that Jesus was crucified on Thursday before Passover Friday. I've always heard it was Friday bc the Bible talks about the Sabbath being the next day, but that doesn't give you the "3 days" to an empty tomb on Sunday morning. I've asked about that math discrepency many times, and everyone just counts Friday as one of the days, which never made sense to me. James shows that there was the Passover Sabbath followed by the weekly Sabbath.

[@PC-vg8vn]

He hasnt presented any good evidence for that. He also picks and chooses which part of the Gospels are true depending on whether they support his various theories. He typically argues the earliest text is the most reliable, yet he's quoting John, the last Gospel to be written.

[@Bjl1976]

@PC-vg8vn The text says that because the Sabbath was neigh at hand, Jesus was placed in the tomb that was close by. Most historians agree that it was common that family tombs be on their own property. James doesn't think it would be likely that Jesus would have been permanently buried in a public forum such as that. That with the text indicating that the reason he was put therr was due to the timing seems plausible. For the decision of where Jesus body to be permanently laid to be made over a timeframe seems hasty and capricious. One would think that his people would have had a better plan than that, in my opinion. I enjoy James and Bart's opinions on things, though they differ often.

[@lnbjr7]

As I understand it, the typical person crucified had his legs broken at some point to insured they were dead. There is no mention of Jesus’s legs being broken in the Gospels, so it is conceivable that if he were removed from the cross before his legs were broken, he could have still been alive, though much diminished... If, after 3 days, he recovered or was he revived from this ordeal he could have emerged from his tomb alive or “resurrected”.

[@lnbjr7]

As I understand it, the typical person crucified had his legs broken at some point to insured they were dead. There is no mention of Jesus’s legs being broken in the Gospels, so it is conceivable that if he were removed from the cross before his legs were broken, he could have still been alive, though much diminished... If, after 3 days, he recovered or was he revived from this ordeal he could have emerged from his tomb alive or “resurrected”.

[@angusmackaskill3035]

He rose and went to heaven, no proof, just take my word for it.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Heaven, in biblespeak, stretches from the spring equinox to the autumn equinox.

[@travestisocialista9005]

Bart & Sarah ❤

[@alexflamengo]

The foot with the nail is in the Israel Museum

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Jesus' body was left to rot on the cross or buried in a mass grave for crucified criminals. The Resurrection story was written to console his followers after his death.

[@AlexLightGiver]

Lol no😂

[@MrMortal_Ra]

@@AlexLightGiverI’m genuinely curious to see what your position is and why you think it to be so.

[@AlexLightGiver]

​@@MrMortal_Rai posted a comment. Lets discuss it

[@AlexLightGiver]

​​​see my comment. Here's what truly happened to these three divine people. Jesus was entombed in Kashmir India. Mary Magdalene s remains are in a Church in France. Mother Stayed In Pakistan where a town was named after her including a brewery .

[@harveywabbit9541]

Jesus, the sun, was crucified in Egypt (west/evening) and at Calvary (east/morning).

[@naithom]

My husband and I met when we both worked at a bookstore. We've been married 34 years this June. Wasn't there a question about the term Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for Jesus' body being different than the term Pilate referred to the body?

[@harveywabbit9541]

Joseph, a rich man from Arimathea (Earth at the end of summer) now put in his appearance. He went straight to Pilate and demanded the Savior’s body. Joseph being a just man, like Noah, Pilate (Sagittarius) gave him the body. The legs were not broken; how fortunate, as without legs the Savior could not have resurrected himself. The soldiers had pierced his side with a spear (they knew better, but it was done that the Scripture might be fulfilled), and “forthwith there came out blood and water” (wine-making). Joseph (the Earth) took the body and wrapped it in “clean linen” (emblem of the Earth), and laid it in a new tomb (winter) and departed.-Mat. 27:60. The two Marys sat opposite him (Sun in Virgo), all this time and took notes up to the end of the sixth hour (month). Here his God, Aries, or the Ram forsook him; for they heard him cry with a loud voice: -ELI, ELI, lama Sabachthani, i.e., literally in English, “my Ram, my Ram, why hast thou forsaken me?” The Ram forsakes the Sun every fall, getting behind the Earth in the night hemisphere. From the sixth hour (month) until the ninth hour (month), there was darkness-from the fall equinox to the winter solstice. At the Sixth hour, the Savior gave up the Ghost, or, summer wind, i.e., the monsoon changed. The third hour (actually Hora) = summer solstice. The sixth hour = autumn equinox. The ninth hour = winter solstice. The 12th hour = the savior at the spring equinox.

[@stephanieparker1250]

I kinda love the small talk intros. 🥰

[@jamesmccarthy3198]

That's the part I hate! I don't give a flying you-know-what about their personal lives!

[@stephanieparker1250]

@@jamesmccarthy3198 fortunately, YT features a fast forward button for folks who don’t like that. Normally I’m like you with this opinion but for some reason I really like the small talk on these videos. I like getting to know people, though, so that’s probably why.

[@PC-vg8vn]

For anyone interested I would suggest they read Craig Evans' "Jewish Burial Traditions and the Resurrection of Jesus." The Romans respected Jewish customs in peacetime.

[@jcool0122]

I wonder if the disciples would have even stayed around to see what happened to Jesus's body. Consider this: their leader has been betrayed by one of their own and sentenced to death by the Roman authorities, and its a Friday. I would think they'd be leaving town with all due expediency, given that once the sun goes down, they are stuck until Sunday morning. I would want to put Jerusalem as far behind me as possible before Pilot decides to put the whole crew on crosses, as well.

[@amyrenee1361]

That's a lot of speculation with no grounds. Pilate wanted to free Jesus, and none of the Pharisees nor Saduccess said or showed any desire to arrest any of the disciples. That was clear when Peter cut off the ear upon Jesus' arrest. They point out that Peter denies him- but look at all the witnesses to his cutting of the ear. Why didn't they grab him right there and then? They were specifically after Jesus and Jesus alone. If you read the texts, they said "it's better that one man die than a whole nation". Now what that means, I don't know. But that book is a rabbit hole that goes far beyond the simple church narrative.

[@Herschel1738]

The only disciple who was at the crucifixion was John, the beloved disciple. Jesus handed the care of Mary over to him before He died. I agree that the other disciples probably fled or went into hiding to prevent being arrested as part of Jesus' insurrection plot. John 19:39-42 say that Joseph of Arimathea claimed the body & placed it in the tomb. Nicodemus helped him to prepare the body, by wrapping it in clean linen and anointing it with 75 lbs of spices. This means there was no disciples there to witness any events after Jesus death, until he appeared to them 3 days later.

[@ScottStokes-y2d]

Sounds like something you would do.

[@UnimatrixOne]

14:46 Is there a substance in a liquid that could be described as vinegar that has a soporific effect? Could it be that _if Pilate was offered enough money_ , he would have someone who was already dead taken down from the cross prematurely in order to bury him? Could it be that the Gospels are telling the truth on these points?

[@UnimatrixOne]

If all Jews (including the apostles and followers) see the body of Jesus rotting on the cross, how can a cult be formed of one who was resurrected after 3 days? Everyone would say: "But he is hanging over there!", or: "I saw him hanging there for many days!"

[@Bjorn_Algiz]

Very interesting ❤ im going to get my favorite chair and tune in. Even as a heathen and philosopher i love the words of an agnostic 😅

[@majafleur9646]

Even as a devout believer and philosopher, I love the words of a good agnostic :).

[@harveywabbit9541]

We also have the Pagan/Christian Trinity. The origin of the Trinity is obvious to anyone who will observe the daily manifestations of the sun. This orb, being the symbol of all Light, has three distinct phases: rising, midday, and setting. The philosophers therefore divided the life of all things into three distinct parts: growth, maturity, and decay. Between the twilight of dawn and the twilight of evening is the high noon of resplendent glory. God the Father, the Creator of the world, is symbolized by the dawn. His color is blue, because the sun rising in the morning is veiled in blue mist. God the Son he Illuminating One sent to bear witness of His Father before all the worlds, is the celestial globe at noonday, radiant and magnificent, the maned Lion of Judah, the Golden-haired Savior of the World. Yellow is His color and His power is without end. God the Holy Ghost is the sunset phase, when the orb of day, robed in flaming red, rests for a moment upon the horizon line and then vanishes into the darkness of the night to wandering the lower worlds and later rise again triumphant from the embrace of darkness. The Holy Spirit of night/winter is symboled by Jonah aka spelled IUno = Juno (Air) and her favorite birdie, is the Dove. The dove being a migratory birdie, like the Sun, goes south for the winter and north for the summer. She will return in the spring, bringing warm air.

[@harveywabbit9541]

THE RESURRECTION. , The Savior was now (winter) deposited in his tomb. As the Sabbath (winter) was nearing its end, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre, bringing sweet spices (the spring flowers) with them. They found the stone rolled away, i.e., it was spring. Mary ran to Peter (Aries) and told him the Savior's body wasn't in the tomb (winter). Peter, of course, was badly scared, and ran off with another disciple (Pisces) but got outrun, the last passing the Sun first. However, both found the “linen clothes” = the Earth. All then went home, i.e., the two sets of constellations (winter and summer) came into position at the spring equinox. Meanwhile “the vail of the temple (intereaspansum templi = the plane of the solstices) was rent (scissum est = was divided) from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake (mota est = was moved, i.e., over the equinoctial line); and the rocks were rent” by the dissolving frosts. The graves were opened, i.e., the winter was past, and “many saints” (summer constellations) which slept (in the dark hemisphere) arose, and appeared to many, i.e., to such as understood the riddle. Mary stood without, at the sepulchre,” weeping (the latter rain); and as she wept, she stooped down (went below the equator), and, looking, saw two angels in white (the light of spring), sitting, one (Aries) at the head, and the other (Pisces) at the feet (see your almanac), where the body of Jesus had lain. “Why weepest thou?” said the angels. Because, said Mary, I cannot find my Lord. Being a night constellation, she couldn't see the Sun. Turning back just then (Lot's wife looked back), she saw Jesus standing, but didn't know him. He addressed her, when, turning again, she knew him (but didn't see him), and exclaimed Rabboni (My great one). Jesus said, “touch me not;” for I am not ascended to my Father (the Holy Ghost). The Sun and Virgo don’t come in conjunction until the end of the summer. Hence in the spring Jesus said to her: “touch me not;” “but go and tell my brethren that I ascend unto my father, and your Father; and to my God and your God” (Sun entered Aries). * Why did Mary stand without the sepulchre? Because, being a summer constellation, she was obliged to share the lot of God, or Aries, her leader. Night or day, winter or Summer, she is always with the Lord, though she is not always able to see him. Hence the mutual love each bore the other. Of all this Mary duly informed the disciples. On the evening of the first day (month) of the week (the seven summer months), Jesus stood in the midst, i.e., at the spring equinox, and said: - “Peace be unto you,” i.e., let summer come. The disciples were glad to see their Lord (the summer Sun). So, Jesus repeated: - “Peace be unto you.” He then breathed on them, and said: - “Receive ye the Holy Ghost” = the summer wind. This Holy Ghost, by the way, was a terrible fellow. Of him it is said: - “Whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world (year), nor in the world (year) to come.” “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, but this against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”-Mat. 12: 31, 32. Why, Christian? Tell me why? This has been the great stumbling block to both Christians, and Anti-Christians; none being able to resolve it. The Holy Ghost is the summer wind. Now, if you don’t get in and raise a crop during summer, you commit a sin against the Holy Ghost, which will not be forgiven during this year or any subsequent one. “Time once past never returns.” All right. After these things, i.e., after the summer was past, Jesus showed himself to his disciples at the sea of Tiberias. Here, with Simon Peter and others, he entered a ship (Noah's ark). This was at night (winter). During “that night they caught nothing.” In the morning (spring), Jesus stood on the shore; but his disciples didn’t as yet know him-the time being between winter and summer. But Jesus asked: - “Have ye any meat?” No; * answered they. “Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find.” They were in luck; for, Simon Peter drew the net, and caught 153 big fishes and didn’t break his net, i.e., the year was completed and whole. Simon (Pisces) denoted the fishing season, and the 153 big fishes doubtless referred to the number of days in the winter months just past, counting in February at 29 days and adding one extreme as was customary. * At the end of winter, savages usually lacked food.

[@animefurry3508]

Jesus is almost like Polynesis, from Sophocle play Antigone, Strange! Very good play! One of my favorite Greek Theaters!

[@GrandMalSeizure]

Got no god, er dog in this fight, and I do believe that Pilate would in nowise, otherwise be inclined to make any exception to bring a body down off a cross, but one thing that struck me was: could Joseph of Arimathea have bribed guards or even Pilate himself (since Joseph was of apparently some note and rich) to take the body down? A large sum of money may have done the trick?

[@oliverbrownlow5615]

Good old bribery. Don't underestimate it.

[@theobolt250]

But very unlikely. There is litterally no historic record of this man outside the gospels! Furthermore Arimathea may be.. some small town/village of literally no account. It is most likely that he was a literary invention.

[@daveg5420]

Tiberius was Emperor from 14-37. In 26 he became a depressed recluse. He left Rome in the hands of Sejanus. Sejanus put his supporters in positions of power so he could take over as emperor. Pilate was appointed by Sejanus. Tiberius figured out what was going down and had Sejanus executed for treason in 31AD. Then Tiberius went after Sejanus’ appointed supporters. I’m sure Pilate was on edge out of self preservation at the time. He had a history of poorly handling the Jewish leaders. Same day burial isn’t a Christian rule. It was the Jewish leaders rule. I doubt Pilate was all that concerned with Jesus’ group. Rome’s ruthlessness was to keep the Jewish leaders in line. Rome appointed the highest Jewish leader. Rome also needed them to produce wealth for them. Like Walking Dead’s Negan. Early Christian Greek writers don’t need to have Jesus buried the same day for theology reasons. And I’m sure they knew Roman crucifixion practices. Josephus said it was common. Nothing supernatural going on here. multiple sources of the practice. I’m just practicing the same critical thinking skills I’ve learned from Dr E’s other videos.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@theobolt250 The entire bible is a literary invention.

[@davidbodeker6752]

@@harveywabbit9541 and like all great works of literature, it contains deep truths and meta-truths.

[@victorradu9645]

there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph. This Joseph guy probably knew how to ask and whom to pay to get the body buried despite the roman customs, like Josephus did a few years later.

[@CapeCodPhilip]

The A.I. hostess is fantastic.

[@jaredsmith112]

Lol

[@alitonoliveira1700]

I thought Jesus was placed in a temporary tomb and later buried in the right place. So that would be the reason why they found an empty tomb.

[@drbulbul]

Am i the only person here who was reminded of the 1980 film "Moscow does not believe in tears" when Megan was recommending an academic library as a place to find a mate?

[@John.Flower.Productions]

Is that where she found her homosexual/atheist/doctor(ate) husband? Not that there is anything wrong with that; it actually seems somewhat fitting for a queer/Christian/dropout.

[@MossyMozart]

@drbulbul - I don't know that film, but I know a great place NOT to meet a mate - any bar whatsoever!

[@vixendoe6943]

I was always told as a kid the best places to find a mate was the grocery store, church or the library. Love happens where it happens.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

How do you know he's gay? ​@@John.Flower.Productions

[@John.Flower.Productions]

@@tangerinetangerine4400 That is what she has publically stated.

[@BookHen-xn2bh]

Megan, what brand and color lipstick do you have on?

[@DreamMonster7X]

She's looking nice. Alive and vibrant!

[@billm23456]

Did "Arimethea" actually exist? Is it another Nazareth?

[@davidskerkowski]

Prof.Ehrman, I'd like to thank you for introducing me to the enlightening satire of Petronius (Satyricon) on your web page.

[@mikebarnes7734]

After six hours of suffering on the cross, he was allowed to be taken down as if he were deceased. Whereas, being the eve of the Sabbath; the two criminals who were seen to be alive had their legs broken to accelerate their demise. Jesus was gently taken down from the cross and removed to the privacy of a sepulcher where he had his wounds treated. He recovered and escaped into exile where he lived out the rest of life in Kashmir. If this reads like a fairy tale, consider the religious narrative: when after forty days he ascended bodily into the sky where he disappeared?

[@mikebarnes7734]

@@vforvladi Emperor Constantine 425 AD was instrumental in determining what we believe is Christianity. Like Saul, he seems to have had a dubious conversion to validate his influence with early believers. However, his version of Christianity obfuscates and contradicts what Jesus taught by incorporating pagan and mythical beliefs. Significantly, by merging the pagan religion of mithras, he was able to morph Christianity into a universally acceptable rekgion of the Roman empire. The concepts of resurrection and ascension are are confabulations.

[@rascalrichard4709]

Surprises me you are saying this in the comment section of a historicity-oriented KZbin channel...and by the way, I read the famous "Jesus Lived and Died in Kashmir"(or whatever that book is titled...) More than 20 years ago...and I found if fascinating...but historical...well...doubtfully...It might be...but... anything concerning Jesus, provided he actually existed, well, must be taken with more than a pinch salt...handfuls, I'd suggest...

[@denniswessel5886]

7:46 this idea of communication fits better in my understanding of “spirit”, good insight.

[@CORIOLANVS]

id love him to address the more recent findings of scientists of various disciplines about authenticity of the shroud of turin

[@chrisgraham2904]

As noted, it was always my understanding that the Romans conducted multiple means of execution and crucifixion was reserved for the worst of criminals, or treasonists to send send a message to the public. Crosses for crucifixion were either constructed in a public square, or on the road that entered the town, or city, as a warning to all who entered that crime would not be tolerated by Rome. The crucified were left on the cross until the scavengers and elements had picked the bones clean and until the skeleton naturally fell from the cross. This horrific display to the public was the express purpose of crucifixion. The chance that Christ was removed from the cross at the end of the day and returned to family is highly unlikely.

[@markgearing]

I’m not sure I can agree with Bart on this one. Paul, whose writings appear soonest after Jesus’ crucifixion, claims that Jesus rose three days after he died. For Paul to claim that, and expect his contemporaries to accept it, it doesn’t make sense that Jesus might still be hanging on the cross. He would have to have been taken down from the cross already for the story Paul is telling to be plausible to people of that period.

[@MrVariousCrap]

You must not have listened to Bart. He talks about that. Paul does not state Jesus was buried the day he died. Only that he rose three days after he was buried.

[@jillengland3277]

Never associated Maryland with hot temps. Atlanta can be quite pleasant but Northern Virginia gets downright cold.

[@WeesloYT]

I haven’t listened yet but I can already tell this episode is going to ruffle some feathers!

[@gerardpacheco862]

Contrary to popular belief, Roman flogging isn’t being hit with a cord. The whip has many tails topped with basically fishhooks. The flogger would strike the back to embed the hooks, give them a second to bite in, and then basically try to rip the entire skin off of the back. Done properly, a Roman flogging results in you being able to see the back of the victim’s ribcage. It’s not uncommon for the victim’s guts to spill out of their body. Flogging alone was often fatal. Reason why Christ died soon before the others.

[@alexandervidal1212]

Couldnt the follower of Jesus have stolen the body from the cross at night or something like that?

[@chefchaudard3580]

This would have been a crime and severely punished. It is unlikely, based on information we have.

[@harveywabbit9541]

THE RESURRECTION. , The Savior was now (winter) deposited in his tomb. As the Sabbath (winter) was nearing its end, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre, bringing sweet spices (the spring flowers) with them. They found the stone rolled away, i.e., it was spring. Mary ran to Peter (Aries) and told him the Savior's body wasn't in the tomb (winter). Peter, of course, was badly scared, and ran off with another disciple (Pisces) but got outrun, the last passing the Sun first. However, both found the “linen clothes” = the Earth. All then went home, i.e., the two sets of constellations (winter and summer) came into position at the spring equinox. Meanwhile “the vail of the temple (intereaspansum templi = the plane of the solstices) was rent (scissum est = was divided) from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake (mota est = was moved, i.e., over the equinoctial line); and the rocks were rent” by the dissolving frosts. The graves were opened, i.e., the winter was past, and “many saints” (summer constellations) which slept (in the dark hemisphere) arose, and appeared to many, i.e., to such as understood the riddle. Mary stood without, at the sepulchre,” weeping (the latter rain); and as she wept, she stooped down (went below the equator), and, looking, saw two angels in white (the light of spring), sitting, one (Aries) at the head, and the other (Pisces) at the feet (see your almanac), where the body of Jesus had lain. “Why weepest thou?” said the angels. Because, said Mary, I cannot find my Lord. Being a night constellation, she couldn't see the Sun. Turning back just then (Lot's wife looked back), she saw Jesus standing, but didn't know him. He addressed her, when, turning again, she knew him (but didn't see him), and exclaimed Rabboni (My great one). Jesus said, “touch me not;” for I am not ascended to my Father (the Holy Ghost). The Sun and Virgo don’t come in conjunction until the end of the summer. Hence in the spring Jesus said to her: “touch me not;” “but go and tell my brethren that I ascend unto my father, and your Father; and to my God and your God” (Sun entered Aries). * Why did Mary stand without the sepulchre? Because, being a summer constellation, she was obliged to share the lot of God, or Aries, her leader. Night or day, winter or Summer, she is always with the Lord, though she is not always able to see him. Hence the mutual love each bore the other. Of all this Mary duly informed the disciples. On the evening of the first day (month) of the week (the seven summer months), Jesus stood in the midst, i.e., at the spring equinox, and said: - “Peace be unto you,” i.e., let summer come. The disciples were glad to see their Lord (the summer Sun). So, Jesus repeated: - “Peace be unto you.” He then breathed on them, and said: - “Receive ye the Holy Ghost” = the summer wind. This Holy Ghost, by the way, was a terrible fellow. Of him it is said: - “Whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world (year), nor in the world (year) to come.” “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, but this against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”-Mat. 12: 31, 32. Why, Christian? Tell me why? This has been the great stumbling block to both Christians, and Anti-Christians; none being able to resolve it. The Holy Ghost is the summer wind. Now, if you don’t get in and raise a crop during summer, you commit a sin against the Holy Ghost, which will not be forgiven during this year or any subsequent one. “Time once past never returns.” All right. After these things, i.e., after the summer was past, Jesus showed himself to his disciples at the sea of Tiberias. Here, with Simon Peter and others, he entered a ship (Noah's ark). This was at night (winter). During “that night they caught nothing.” In the morning (spring), Jesus stood on the shore; but his disciples didn’t as yet know him-the time being between winter and summer. But Jesus asked: - “Have ye any meat?” No; * answered they. “Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find.” They were in luck; for, Simon Peter drew the net, and caught 153 big fishes and didn’t break his net, i.e., the year was completed and whole. Simon (Pisces) denoted the fishing season, and the 153 big fishes doubtless referred to the number of days in the winter months just past, counting in February at 29 days and adding one extreme as was customary. * At the end of winter, savages usually lacked food.

[@cowboybythesea]

Does Mark have an "empty" tomb story though? At no point in the burial passage or in the one when the women go to the tomb on Sunday morning does the gospel say that it was empty (or that it was found empty by the women) and it also doesn't describe the tomb as one in which no one had been laid. Matthew is the first one to mention that the tomb was new, then Luke says that no one had yet been laid, then John says both things. So couldn't Mark be speaking of a tomb where there might have been other ossuaries already?

[@MrMortal_Ra]

“As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here. Look, there is the place they laid him.” Mark has the women go to the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, and has the body of Jesus missing.

[@Allothersweretakenn]

It does not say it directly, but it implies it by saying Jesus is not here and this is where they laid him

[@HPLeft]

Great point about the changes in the narrative about Pilate. Those changes are the basis for the traditional Christian claim that Jews killed Jesus. My theory is that the later Gospel authors were looking to curry favor with the Romans, so they shifted the blame to Jews.

[@stevearmstrong6758]

Yea, by late first century the movement was mostly gentiles - the Jews overwhelmingly rejected the Jesus as God narrative. So the Jews became the bad guys who killed Jesus when the reality is that it was the Romans.

[@TankUni]

I agree; I don't think Jesus was of much importance to Pilate at all. Pilate's main concern was likely a trouble free Passover, after which everyone would go home and continue to pay their taxes. Jesus and his little band of oddballs was a minor speedbump that Pilate dealt with in the proscribed way by executing the leader. I suspect there was a public reading of the charges with Jesus present, sentence passed and that was it. No washing of hands or offering to pardon Jesus, or a private chat that we somehow know the contents of.

[@michaeldebellis4202]

I agree, except for early Christians seeking to curry favor with Rome. Most of the Early Christians were Jews. In sectarian fights no one is worse than the party that is closest to you but slightly different. The Bolsheviks hated the Czarists, but they hated the Mensheviks the most. The early Christians blamed the Jews because they saw themselves as the “true” Jews and all Jews who failed to join them as traitors. Ehrman has written on this and said more or less the same.

[@michaelnewsham1412]

Don't tell MTG!

[@stevearmstrong6758]

While Jesus and his disciples were Jews and the early beginnings of Christianity were Jewish, by mid to late first century (when the gospels were written) Christianity had become a movement dominated by gentile converts. The Jews overwhelmingly rejected the divinity of Jesus (or any other human) so even those who thought Jesus may have been the messiah were not part of the growing movement that became mainstream Christianity. Easy to see where they were made scapegoats in the gospels.

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

If you believe that a sign was put up I think it makes it very difficult to believe that a body which clearly was meant to be made an example of in a special way on top of already being a method prone to display would be released for burial immediately.

[@robinharwood5044]

Excellent point!

[@MossyMozart]

All those poor crucifixion people! Now that the episode is over, I can unclench my teeth.

[@michaeldebellis4202]

Same. It makes my skin crawl hearing those awful details

[@marcvanleeuwen5986]

I don't know what to make of Bart's claim (39:48) that [in the canonical gospels] the empty tomb is never reported as evidence for Jesus's resurrection. It is not complete proof, for sure, but in Mark and Matthew we first get an assertion of resurrection, by someone whose credentials range from having a white robe to being an angel descending from heaven accompanied by an earthquake (don't they ever learn how to make a soft landing?), followed by "look, the place is empty"; I would call that using the emptiness of the grave as supporting evidence for the resurrection claim. In Luke and John it is a bit different, and the grave is found empty _before_ any resurrection is announced, but I'd still say the former occurs in the narrative to add credence to the latter,

[@harveywabbit9541]

Tomb and Womb are the same thing. The sun rises from below to above at the crossing of the spring equinox. On Easter Sun Rise, we face the East and say "He is Risen."

[@SuperChicken666]

Nice hair. And Megan's hair is nice to. To me, this is like discussing whether Robin Hood actually split an arrow in half at a hundred yards.

[@deserticus18]

useless but entertaining, hehehe

[@lnbjr7]

Meh… I find her hair and glasses very distracting, consequently, I focus on the “unadorned” face of Dr. Ehrman.

[@gerardpacheco862]

Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Sanhedrin, asked for Jesus' body and took it down to prevent it from being stolen by the disciples and then claimed the resurrection of Christ.

[@normative]

My impression is that most historians are pretty dismissive of the hypothesis that the “resurrection” may be explained simply by Jesus having survived crucifixion and been buried alive but unconscious, derided as the “swoon theory.” But if he really had been taken down after just half a day, when people sometimes took a couple days to die, would that idea become somewhat less implausible?

[@TankUni]

If Jesus was 'scourged' by the Romans the night before, it seems to me that could explain an early death on the cross. It might also have been that he wasn't a very physically strong individual to begin with, which might have been a component of his apparently more developed and pacifistic philosophy than other would-be messiahs of the time.

[@Jackal_El_Lobo34]

@@TankUniAlso I’m not sure if this idea has been debunked or is even plausible but someone was telling me that the likely reason why Jesus chest spewed water after a Roman impaled him with a spear was because he had pneumonia which could’ve been a contributing factor to his death assuming that part isn’t legendary.

[@getasimbe]

@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 I suspect that part is probably legendary

[@harveywabbit9541]

THE RESURRECTION. , The Savior was now (winter) deposited in his tomb. As the Sabbath (winter) was nearing its end, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre, bringing sweet spices (the spring flowers) with them. They found the stone rolled away, i.e., it was spring. Mary ran to Peter (Aries) and told him the Savior's body wasn't in the tomb (winter). Peter, of course, was badly scared, and ran off with another disciple (Pisces) but got outrun, the last passing the Sun first. However, both found the “linen clothes” = the Earth. All then went home, i.e., the two sets of constellations (winter and summer) came into position at the spring equinox. Meanwhile “the vail of the temple (intereaspansum templi = the plane of the solstices) was rent (scissum est = was divided) from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake (mota est = was moved, i.e., over the equinoctial line); and the rocks were rent” by the dissolving frosts. The graves were opened, i.e., the winter was past, and “many saints” (summer constellations) which slept (in the dark hemisphere) arose, and appeared to many, i.e., to such as understood the riddle. Mary stood without, at the sepulchre,” weeping (the latter rain); and as she wept, she stooped down (went below the equator), and, looking, saw two angels in white (the light of spring), sitting, one (Aries) at the head, and the other (Pisces) at the feet (see your almanac), where the body of Jesus had lain. “Why weepest thou?” said the angels. Because, said Mary, I cannot find my Lord. Being a night constellation, she couldn't see the Sun. Turning back just then (Lot's wife looked back), she saw Jesus standing, but didn't know him. He addressed her, when, turning again, she knew him (but didn't see him), and exclaimed Rabboni (My great one). Jesus said, “touch me not;” for I am not ascended to my Father (the Holy Ghost). The Sun and Virgo don’t come in conjunction until the end of the summer. Hence in the spring Jesus said to her: “touch me not;” “but go and tell my brethren that I ascend unto my father, and your Father; and to my God and your God” (Sun entered Aries). * Why did Mary stand without the sepulchre? Because, being a summer constellation, she was obliged to share the lot of God, or Aries, her leader. Night or day, winter or Summer, she is always with the Lord, though she is not always able to see him. Hence the mutual love each bore the other. Of all this Mary duly informed the disciples. On the evening of the first day (month) of the week (the seven summer months), Jesus stood in the midst, i.e., at the spring equinox, and said: - “Peace be unto you,” i.e., let summer come. The disciples were glad to see their Lord (the summer Sun). So, Jesus repeated: - “Peace be unto you.” He then breathed on them, and said: - “Receive ye the Holy Ghost” = the summer wind. This Holy Ghost, by the way, was a terrible fellow. Of him it is said: - “Whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world (year), nor in the world (year) to come.” “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, but this against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”-Mat. 12: 31, 32. Why, Christian? Tell me why? This has been the great stumbling block to both Christians, and Anti-Christians; none being able to resolve it. The Holy Ghost is the summer wind. Now, if you don’t get in and raise a crop during summer, you commit a sin against the Holy Ghost, which will not be forgiven during this year or any subsequent one. “Time once past never returns.” All right. After these things, i.e., after the summer was past, Jesus showed himself to his disciples at the sea of Tiberias. Here, with Simon Peter and others, he entered a ship (Noah's ark). This was at night (winter). During “that night they caught nothing.” In the morning (spring), Jesus stood on the shore; but his disciples didn’t as yet know him-the time being between winter and summer. But Jesus asked: - “Have ye any meat?” No; * answered they. “Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find.” They were in luck; for, Simon Peter drew the net, and caught 153 big fishes and didn’t break his net, i.e., the year was completed and whole. Simon (Pisces) denoted the fishing season, and the 153 big fishes doubtless referred to the number of days in the winter months just past, counting in February at 29 days and adding one extreme as was customary. * At the end of winter, savages usually lacked food.

[@normative]

@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 That part is almost certainly legendary. Beyond being implausible on face, it doesn't show up until John, some 60 years after the fact, and has a fairly clear symbolic significance. There's no need to cast around for naturalistic explanations of that one.

[@trejeancalloway-ri1in]

I would like to know what people think about the Coptic synaxarium? I’ve heard we don’t have anything for the apostles outside of three but I want to know how authentic it is since it has the 12 in there and how they died.

[@nativeatheist6422]

I read rotting on the cross was part of the punishment.

[@slaverogan]

why are things done every 3, 7 or 12 regarding timeframe?

[@Christian-i2n]

Jesus is a tale like Pinocchio

[@robbabcock_]

Fantastic video! It never even occurred to me to wonder about what happened to the corpse. Truly fascinating!

[@ajeet490]

The point can be made that Pontius Pilate never thought that Jesus committed a crime against Rome anyway so when Joseph of Arimathaea asked him for a particular favour he was , exceptionally, granted it for whatever reason and then given a temporary burial place in the family tomb.

[@montagdp]

This was addressed in the podcast.

[@michaeldebellis4202]

But Jesus did commit a crime against Rome, the most serious crime someone could commit in the eyes of the Romans, he challenged Roman authority. Pilate would have no reason to show exceptional mercy.

[@TankUni]

Jesus was predicting an apocalypse in which the Romans would at the very least, lose control of Judea. He was also possibly positing himself as God's own 'king' in this new realm. And he was causing trouble during Passover - a time when the city was packed with pilgrims, pilgrims that Pilate likely wanted to return to their homes and villages, report Jerusalem as peaceful and continue paying their taxes. If so, I could see why both the Jewish leadership and Pilate would want Jesus done away with.

[@chrisstathe9183]

He granted it because God moves the minds of leaders to fulfill his purpose

[@tucobakunin8250]

Did she say the heat in Maryland? I'm just asking from South Texas.

[@robinharwood5044]

Am I the only person who remembers Josephus? In his autobiography he tells us that he saw three men crucified together. He went to Titus and was able to get them taken down. He got doctors to tend them, but two died. One survived. So we have three men crucified. A man called Joseph bar Matthias goes to the Roman authority and gets them taken off the crosses. He has them cared for, and one of come out of it alive. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

[@DavidTraynier]

Very familiar, because Bart talks about it in the video.

[@stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682]

Around the 27 minute mark of the video Bart addresses this very thing. Try listening to the talk, then raise a question.

[@Aaron-cy7oo]

Right, but Josephus wasn't born when Jesus died

[@Dan-dg9pi]

What role did the family of a crucified person have in the disposal/burial of the body?

[@darkpassenger2852]

That lady has the most amazing voice ❤

[@anthonycraig274]

Can you imagine, asking roman guards after the crucifixion, can I have my god back please?

[@MrMortal_Ra]

Just for the fun of it: “Sir…. Sir…. Sir…. Sir….. c.. c.. can we have the body of our Lord? Roman guard: 😂😂 “your funny man, good one”.

[@harveywabbit9541]

He would have said, sure, he is that big ball of fire in the sky.

[@he1ar1]

The guards were bribed. The Christian counter denial narrative is in the bible.

[@kariel6967]

Hello Bart Ehrman 👋 I’m from Germany and I would like to know What you think about Paul d. Wegner?

[@CasperLCat]

I don’t get why Bart dismisses the possibility that Joseph of Arithmithea, as a wealthy member of the Sanhedrin, was well connected enough to ask for the body, maybe even paying the Romans for it, and get custody of it.

[@tigparedes5778]

Money does manage to change the usual practice without leaving much in history. Very possible it happened here

[@CasperLCat]

@@tigparedes5778 Yes, Joseph probably didn’t get a receipt for his payment ! I guess the Romans weren’t as meticulous in their record keeping of their brutal deeds as the Nazis were, who’ve left a treasure trove of records for historians to pore over. Or maybe they were into sustainability and recycled their papyrus documents.

[@leom6343]

Show us first that he was a member of the sanhedrin, that he was wealthy and well connected. Even the story who he was Is different in all 4 gospels. Second, Romans didnt do that. They were harsh

[@CasperLCat]

@@leom6343 You asked for it: Luke 23:50 : council Matthew 27:57 : rich Mark 15:43 : council John 19:38 : secret disciple of Jesus, suggesting his prominence in Judaism There’s also a video tape of him chairing a Sanhedrin meeting, if that’s of any interest to you.

[@leom6343]

@@CasperLCatmat 27 57 *As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus* He was not a sanhedrin and even a discuple of Jesus in GMark. 🤣

[@gregorscapades]

Very interesting indeed.

[@agentoffortune74]

It seems there is some evidence for the body to be left on the cross, as Jesus tells the one thief that he would be in paradise with him that very day. That's assuming those dying by asphyxiation could actually speak at all.

[@John.Flower.Productions]

_…as Jesus tells the one thief that he would be in paradise with him that very day._ I am not following your logic.

[@kyleworrall]

Everyone I listen to this podcast Bart’s microphone clips and has noticeable distortion

[@chipious9736]

He was left rotting on the cross and when the birds were done the rest was thrown in a ditch for the dogs. Anything else is special pleading.

[@Horvat04]

I have a good thought here, i think bart is wrong because the point of the crucifiction Szenario is not what has happened to the body but that he is risen. So if they made this up they could have write that jesus was left hanging on the cross etc but later appeared to them anyway because its alot of crazy things written either way. No point about making this complex Szenario up...but it seems all the writers from the 4 gospels are not understanding this also like bart said, so to me this story seem to be very authentic. Sorry for my bad english

[@Horvat04]

Plus barts opinion lol is in a very small minority. Yours is very ignorant, talk like a kid 😂

[@chipious9736]

@@Horvat04 You wasn’t there and we know what the Romans did to their crucified criminals. Anybody can write anything after the fact. The cross was a punishment for all to see and dread. Why would they make an exception for a peasant cult leader? Lol, plead some more

[@Horvat04]

@@chipious9736 exactly back up your claim bart cant even do that 😆 see how silly you are when u say they can write whatever they want but they write what nobody think about a messiah to happen. This was the exact opposite of what they thought would happen even though its fullfilling the prophecy of the old testament. Nobody was getting it. They way you talk you dont even know about the context of all this you hear what bart says and you go like a parrot 😆 everybody refute that you are aware of that?

[@chipious9736]

@@Horvat04 Did you even listen to what the man said about Roman executions and what they did to the crucified corpse? He is saying pigs don’t fly and you are saying that in a book you read a pig did fly once because it was the son of god and you need it to fly for your feelings. All I hear from apologists is exceptions, excuses, and special pleading. The apologists with degrees are just protecting their paychecks. As for writing accounts just see what’s going on today with fake news. When people have agendas they write what the need, not what is truth. Who is being silly thinking people haven’t changed?

[@LeoAmbrogi-ou9jp]

Great glasses.

[@annettecloutier2094]

WHOAH, if you go the Crossan route, you’re inventing a different Jesus! 😮

[@11kravitzn]

There is an enigmatic saying in Mark and Matthew "Where the body is, there the vultures/eagles will gather." Is that about crucifixion?

[@majafleur9646]

It's about the nature of creation.

[@rob5894]

Christians will not allow for the resurrection of a decayed body. So, they had to invent a tomb story.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Tomb and Womb, in biblespeak, is the winter season.

[@AJaye-ro3ut]

Can you explain the death of all the apostles? They obviously saw something or thought something that gave them the wherewithal to go on after the fact despite all the threats

[@jamesbeemer7855]

Um , people , NO ! GOD NO ! Not that ! Rome wasn’t built in a day , why a man being buried ?

[@lukestepien4633]

I've got no real stake in this, but if the gospels were written for people in the roman empire, wouldn't the audience point out that Romans didn't bury their crucified people?

[@MrVariousCrap]

Their audience were Christians who wanted to believe it.

[@hoopoe3093]

Jesus was not crucified but someone else. He was saved by God because it was all a CRUCIFIC➕ION❗😮

[@harveywabbit9541]

The Sun was substituted for Jesus.

[@mooshei8165]

Then that means Jesus didn’t die for your sins.😂

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@mooshei8165 Both deaths, of Jesus, are symbolic of the change of seasons.

[@JenniferKilleen-z1q]

I'm quite sure his dedicated followers who definitely have buried him.

[@declankelly9829]

Only "quite" sure?

[@AlexLightGiver]

Jesus laid in the tomb healing from herbs for three days. ( He was cared for ) Escaped through a secret hole in the back. He completely looked different with a new appearance and he and Mary escaped to France.

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

Gaul, but well done.

[@AlexLightGiver]

​@@gottfriedosterbach3907His words not mine

[@deserticus18]

I got another one, when Judas identified Jesus at Getsemani in fact he kiss Mathew, since he was a tax collector nobody intercede for him, then when crucified and put him at the tomb, Jesus got inside then at the third day he move the stone from inside en left doing the moonwalk, Mary end the other women saw it and got mesmerized by the walk, that's why some didn't believe them at first, then Jesus take a boat and went all the mediterrean , Atlantic and arrived in América.... Joseph Smith can tell you the rest

[@AlexLightGiver]

​@@secretgoldfish931you may have been ... incarnation is real. Your personality is one minute proof

[@AlexLightGiver]

​​@@deserticus18you're close. .

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@Padma-nu9gx]

Jesus is the only lord Accept Jesus

[@deserticus18]

not really, accept our Lord Ahura Mazda and be saved

[@DreamMonster7X]

Jesus is NOT the only way...

[@Eric_01]

Nah, you're just saying that to get a rise. You don't even believe it.

[@DreamMonster7X]

@@Eric_01 Exactly! It's something a child believes in. When one grows up and is able to think for themselves, one see's the lies and deceptions with Christianity. Just live your life. All will be ok. YOU ARE NOT SINNERS! That is the evil of man convincing you are less than you are, and using excuses of Demons & Devils to keep one faithful. These are Jim Jones incarnation, utterly evil!

[@VulcanLogic]

Nah, I'm good.

[@Herschel1738]

If Christians are happy to find evidence of a buried crucifixion victim (the ankle bones with an embedded nail) they might have to reconsider the claim that Jesus did not have His leg bones broken. The Laws describing the Passover lamb in Numbers 9:12, say that it must be unblemished and have no bones broken “They shall leave none of it (the lamb) until morning, nor break one of its bones.” As Jesus is claimed to be the Passover lamb, the fact that His legs weren't broken by the Roman soldiers is considered a fulfillment of the "prophecy". I just don't see how you could drive a nail the width of a pencil through a man's wrists & feet (which were lapped on top of each other and with the legs probably flexed together sideways) without breaking any bones.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Jesus, is the winter sun of five months (Rev 9.5. Scorpio leads Sagittarius thru Pisces). The winter sun "dies" at the pass over from winter to spring. The five iron nails symbol the five signs in Rev. 9.5. Same with the five mice (mice symbol night and winter). See Hebrew Mythology or Science of the Bible, by Milton Woolley.

[@Dr_Wrong]

all this socializing is nauseating! GET ON WITH IT ..or change your title to *_"Married woman Flirts with Dr Ehrman in creepy close-ups, and something about Jesus too.. maybe."_* ..so we know we're really clicking..

[@LukasOfTheLight]

It would have taken less effort to simply click ahead two minutes than it did to post this pitiable glimpse into your own psyche.

[@Dr_Wrong]

@@LukasOfTheLight ditto

[@johnpowell9174]

Also, Philo mentions that Pilate was 'A man of inflexible, stubborn and cruel disposition'. He doesn't seem to be the kind of person that would be willing to modify the sentence of an insurrectionist on the plea of an unimportant local.

[@UnimatrixOne]

But for money...?!

[@MarleneOaks]

What if he was taken down alive. Joseph brought healing herbs, aloe vera, etc.

[@harveywabbit9541]

You can ask him yourself. He is the SUN.

[@HugoPranavan]

I had always heard that priestly positions in ancient Judaism were inherited and wondered if since Jesus’s brother James was a high priest, if Jesus actually came from a priestly family. It seems unlikely that both brothers would have had so much prominence if they came from an illiterate family from some backwoods town. Jesus even had access to debate the temple priest when he was younger. Could Joseph of Arimathea be Jesus’s father and the carpenter from Nazareth story just be a retcon to fulfill prophecy?

[@JayWest14]

I completely agree with Bart’s take on the known practices being what more than likely what happened. Why would the Romans give up the body of the man who claimed to be the King of the Jews. It was bad enough offense that he was crucified for just making such a claim, why would they not want to make this example be any less than say robbers??? They would have more than likely imposed a stricter standard, seeing the claim of being the King of the Jews was not only an offense against Jewish law but an offense against Rome and the Emperor!! A release of the body to a private individual would only allow for a further claim to his claim by saying he resurrected. The resurrection is fiction and is supported by historical evidence whereas resurrection is not.