What Happened To Legacy Of Kain 6?

[@johnaldridge7007]

SR1 was heavily criticized?? By who? I don't know about that - I played it when it first came out in the late 90's and I remember it getting a lot of praise at the time.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@johnaldridge7007 That's also what I remembered, but after doing research, it seems it was met with a lot of criticism from gaming sites, critics etc. Notice how I said arguably the best game in the series for a reason. I loved Soul Reaver. Which game did you feel was best?

[@johnaldridge7007]

@@GameCircleTv I'd say SR1, Defiance, BO1, SR2, BO2. BO2 was a huge disappointment in my eyes. It felt like a Dollar Tree LoK game..

[@psdmaniac]

SR1 got scores 10/10. The same for graphic. It was outstanding on psx that time.

[@darkwolfe6286]

@@GameCircleTv There is the problem with crtics and gaming sites. It was more individuals pushing a narrative and not gamers per se. It's one of the reasons why there such a huge push back against these main stream sites and critics be used they have fallen out of favor and forgotten about their audience instead of people putting ad revenue in their pockets

[@GameCircleTv]

@darkwolfe6286 exactly

[@filipvadas7602]

Legacy of Kain managed to include time travel as a consistent plot point and had it all *make complete sense* and even improve the story, instead of being an easy crutch. That ALONE speaks volumes on how genius the writting for the overall series is. And I hope to God we get a final game to cap the series off properly while Simon Templeman (Kain) is still with us! As for whatever is being worked on, I hope we get remasters/remakes of the older games. Because I feel they genuinely would have done better nowadays than when they released due to their heavy focus on story. Hell, if all the Soul Reaver games had the gameplay of Defiance (minus the awful camera) the series would have been even better recieved

[@GameCircleTv]

@@filipvadas7602 Great comment. This is definitely something that should be done. Everything that was said

[@christophermire3872]

I hated the combat for SR2 and BO2. I did like the Raaver upgrades and story for SR2. I agree. I would love to see remakes with updated combat systems like Defiance.

[@RedneckSith]

LoK remains my gold standard for time travel stories. They established clear rules as to how it works within the universe, and stayed true to them.

[@warchildsilver]

I would love for a new sequel to come about, but only if Amy Henning could return. She's had nothing but a golden touch on gaming all the way from Soul Reaver, through Uncharted and Last of Us.

[@Elderester]

Greatest series to ever grace a console.. I would love a remake, but I don't think I could stomache a "modernization" or change to the story

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Elderester what would be a good approach?

[@Elderester]

@@GameCircleTv update graphics and mechanics. not the story. the characters and the dialog is as it should be.

[@GameCircleTv]

@EldestCoont That could work well

[@station-7]

@@Elderester - Unfortunately there’s no way they’ll leave the dialogue alone. This is why I want a sequel and not a remake. I don’t trust anyone to do the originals justice and, if they do a bad sequel, it’ll be easier for me to ignore.

[@Elderester]

@@station-7 Yea, i have no faith in game devs anymore. Idk why we can't just get an enjoyable game without political insertions.

[@jackwilliam4436]

Kain did not 'screw up' the timeline in Blood Omen 1 : He got to experience life from a non Human perspective and witness all of Humanity's flaws, deceit, lies, cruelty and lack of loyalty and he understood that such beings were not worth the sacrifice. Shortly after, he tried to find a way to still rescue Nosgoth, without letting it fall in Hylden hands. Kain, in Blood Omen 1, never had much agency : all of his moves had been carefully anticipated before his very birth and forced upon him from the very start. If anything, accepting the sacrifice would have 'screwed up' everything, as it would have meant offering Nosgoth to the Hylden (and Blood Omen 2 gave us glimpses of how bad things would be). The game was rigged from the start and Kain could only do one thing : survive until he found a way to actually solve all the problems all the players before him had created.

[@petarmaras6807]

I'm just happy that something like this existed when I was growing up. I don't think there's one game that can compare to the story telling of this one or the voice acting. Just happy to have been alive while this was going.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@petarmaras6807 great way to look at it. This is what gaming is all about

[@LegendaryDarkKnight602]

I'm puzzled by how they have PS1 games in the store, and then you have the DMC bundle. They could've done the same with this franchise.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 absolutely. There is still hope especially after the announcement of the Soul Revear graphic novel that will be coming soon. www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/ec6d71d7-3906-45d4-aaab-40fc1a372416/landing?preview_mode=true

[@LegendaryDarkKnight602]

@@GameCircleTv AL B. Sure to check it out.

[@sanderssmokes]

​@LegendaryDarkKnight602 pretty sure SR2 BO2 and Defiance are on steam

[@christopheraaron1255]

4:48 it wasn't jealousy. He recognised the fulfillment of the prophecy.

[@RedneckSith]

@@christopheraaron1255 Kain not watching Raziel being thrown in wasn't due to anger, jealousy, arrogance, or contempt. It was because he couldn't stand the sight of a good friend being made to suffer for the sake of setting things right. It's one of many moments which cement him as one of the best anti-heroes in video game history.

[@jackwilliam4436]

I was looking for that comment. It's crazy how, after all those years, people still get it so completely wrong. We had so many scenes throughout the series that prove Kain has been trying to set things right for many centuries, instead of acting on jealousy and, yet, there are people that still can't get past Soul Reaver 1's introduction and see the greater picture. Many scenes were clearly unambiguous and showed that Kain was trying to create a being capable of free will, to fight destiny and save Nosgoth. Many other scenes were more subtle (like Kain being happy to see one of his most cherished possessions - his sword - being shattered and to see one of his most ferocious enemies - Raziel - survive his most powerful attack), but, no : It still doesn't matter, if people are going to remain stuck in Soul Reaver 1's introduction for decades, anyway.

[@elpogio4890]

@@jackwilliam4436 i just finished SR1 and it's pretty obvious Kain wasn't acting on jealousy or envy (even tho that's how Raziel perceived it at first). However i still don't get the full picture of things since it's the very first game of the saga i have finished, i'm about to start SR2. Question. Kain was trying to save Nosgoth, however he could've saved it if he sacrificed himself for what i have read and understood so far. Why did he need Raziel to save Nosgoth when he could've done it alone? Was it that he wanted to both save Nosgoth and the vampires? Does that mean Kain is actually a good guy trying to save everyone?

[@christopheraaron1255]

@elpogio4890 The pillars of Nosgoth need guardians, and without specifically vampire guardians, they go to crap. There need to be vampires for Nosgoth to survive... also, if Kain sacrificed himself he wouldn't be Kain.

[@livebyhonor]

I think I get the reason people say that Kain was Jealous is either they didn't play the games, didnt follow the story (because lets face it, it was a deep story) BUT also for slight spoilers and lack of insight for the future games. How would people know that many years later we would get SR2 and you would see Kain realized what he had to do to Raziel. If SR2 never came out, the narrative would be jealousy. But because we got SR2 we got that extra little plot twist that it was necessary. Much like the plot that Vampires are angels. Angels that protected humans but got cursed to feed on them by true demons.

[@markgilmatias5278]

They should bring back this amazing series. It is one of the BEST games during the 90s and it will be if it will given a chance to continue as a Remake and continue its plot.

[@GameCircleTv]

Facts this needs to be back asap

[@cmatin01]

Amy Henning’s writing really made the story though - sadly she’s no longer involved with the company and I doubt any remakes would have the same impact

[@GameCircleTv]

Hopefully they can make it work even though it is sad to see the original writers are not in the project

[@Ihsomiet]

@cmatin01 Amy Henig's departure from crystal dynamics is the reason why it was never completed. However, she went on to work at Naughty Dog where she worked on Uncharted.

no, blood omen made the story and she had next to no writing time on it not saying she didnt do a great job but she had good foundations to build on and its the impact of blood omen that made the franchise possible in the first place not amy henning

[@user-hf2qt2di2k]

Blood Omen 2 was underrated!

[@GameCircleTv]

Extremely

[@TheNocturnal1]

Did you hear about the prequel graphic novel in the works?! It was announced this past week! This December on Kickstarter! Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver The Dead Shall Rise

[@GameCircleTv]

@@TheNocturnal1 I did and it brings me more hope that the series is returning

[@neonnemesis3267]

Dead Sun being canceled was the right choice. Suddenly another Raziel like spirit vampire existing heavily impacts the importance of Raziel (that one is very different from Vampire Wraiths who could only animate their own bodies once the harmful effect on it was removed, not shift at will, that guy was the same as let's do another Raziel). Not only that but the dialogue was pretty bad, what I recall from the footage was about the MC being a whiny edge lord (the human half always ranting about his dead family and how he was cursed while the vampire one being a edge lord ranting about how the human had his body or something on those lines) and the vampire hunters talking about Kain and his vampires having erectile disfunction... not exactly what I expected from a series known by the Shakespearian dialogue, betrayals, lore, etc., so, no, knowing if Kain's vampires can't get it up is not they type of lore I want to get, which is ironic given that Defiance touched exactly on that about the Ancient Vampires making it a crucial plot point but they approached it with far more class, so as the Hylden Lord would say, not irony, poetic justice. Also, it's a Legacy of Kain game without Kain nor Raziel... a LoK game without Kain or Raziel is the same as... it's the same as a LoK game without Kain or Raziel, really, do I need to get another example when it's so obvious how wrong this would be? If anything what they could do is use the combat system that they had in Dead Sun to improve Soul Reaver 1 and 2 in the upcoming Remasters. If they do that alongside with adding all the cut content from Soul Reaver Alpha and give us the option to play the original story or the released version would make the remaster of SR1 amazing and the improved combat would benefit SR2 as well especially in that final part where the Sarafan Lieutenants were HP tanks that you had to be constantly hacking at them rather than have good duels.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@neonnemesis3267 probably the best response I've seen about why Dead Sun was a bad idea.

[@jahoonotes]

Legacy of Kain without Kain being just..... Legacy 😅

[@Shr13k]

Yes!!! I want it all. Remasters, Remakes all of it. Id love a Soulslike remake of the OG Blood Omen. It may never happen, but i can dream cant i?

[@GameCircleTv]

Of course. We need this

[@GeD-qh2xf]

Why does it need to be a souls clone?

[@GameCircleTv]

@GeD-qh2xf I think he just wants something that can be successful like the Souls games.

[@GeD-qh2xf]

@@GameCircleTv many games are successful. The souls gane are popular for all the wrong reasons

[@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ]

4:58 we don't know if elder god revived him, even Raziel says this at some point. In fact there's the possibility of just being revived due to wheel of souls being stagnant which is why we see other soul wraiths in the ps2 game

[@GameCircleTv]

I see what you mean. Good point

[@randyburger2424]

Rented Soul Reaver from blockbuster one weekend in college. Just wanted to try something new and different. Didn’t think I would like it, but was instantly pulled in by the story telling and voice acting like you’ve never heard in any video game at the time. Worked with a kid at Walmart at the time who owned its prequel, Blood Omen and he just gave it to me. One of my favorite stories of all time. Would love to see it revived, but not sure new writers could achieve its original depth.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@randyburger2424 That feeling of renting a great game in Blockbuster was unmatched.

[@guitarlordkryss]

they just need to finish kain's story. the last game ended on an epic cliffhanger long ago and was never completed. then if they want they should go back and remake blood omen 1 and soul reaver 1 adding in some modern touch ups, potentially adding some additional lore and content. it could be more beneficial though to do the remakes first and then finally release the final chapter. typically prequels aren't as interesting if the final ending is already known.

[@GameCircleTv]

Remakes of both of those games would be a great choice for a sequel spark

[@TheTruePacmanMG]

I'd like a remaster of all 5 so I can play on current consoles, and after that maybe a continuation of the series if it is justified.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@TheTruePacmanMG that's all we want. We are not asking for much are we?

[@omarcruz7177]

I remember the time when just reading "Legacy of Kain" on the box was enough to give you a stamp of quality after a friend introduced me to the first Legacy of Kain game and showed me some broken builds.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@omarcruz7177 To some of us, seeing "Legacy of Kain" still makes us happy. What was your favorite game?

[@YamiRenegade]

Blood Omen 2 was actually not an alternate timeline, it was the timeline of the young Kain before Soul Reaver 1. In Blood Omen Kain became a vampire and declined to sacrifrice himself. In Soul Reaver 1 a long time has passed and Kain has created his kingdom. Raziel was "killed" and he came back for revenge. Soul Reaver 2 is the continued story of SR1 and Legacy of Kain Defiance is the continued story of SR2. They travelled through time for several times. So the end of Defiance was at the same time of the end of Blood Omen 1. Lord Sarafan came back in Defiance (that monster that took over the control of Janos Audron). In Blood Omen 2 the young Kain fights against that Lord Sarafan and in the end he defeats Lord Sarafan. So that monster was defeated in Blood Omen 2 and then actually the story of Soul Reaver 1 begins (again).

[@Rare_Breed666]

I would love to see the franchise revived it’s been to long now nearly 20 years without an actual game in the series it’s well deserved

[@GameCircleTv]

Soul Reaver 1 and 2 are getting revived

[@overlord1037]

Simon Templeman's voice is in my head when I read Novels. I really wish they'd carry on with the series. I love how they did Defiance and SR2 is still one of my favourite stories of all time. The End of Defiance also was the penultimate event for the release of the Hylden. What a cliff-hanger and after Raziel gave in, rather sad, but the games always hit hard, which was magnificent . . . And the voice acting . . .

[@matygoo1644]

They made a mistake straying from Puzzles and Platforming to focus on more linear Combat, It effects the Mystique

[@AdalwulfLeonMuin]

i would love for remasters of the games to play on newer consoles. Soul Rever was my introduction to the franchise and i loved it because it was the only game that gave me a challenge at the time

[@GameCircleTv]

@@AdalwulfLeonMuin Which was your favorite of all?

[@AdalwulfLeonMuin]

@@GameCircleTv Soul Reaver is definitely the favorite

[@GameCircleTv]

@@AdalwulfLeonMuin facts

[@Dionysus-207]

"...they should simply finish Dead Sun", no, it was cancelled for a reason and it's better for it to stay dead. Despite its name, it had almost nothing to do with the franchise, it felt soulless. They went too far from the core with this one. Judging on the presented demo, I'm starting with the dialogue. It was dumbed down, having way too much profanity for no reason, while the franchise is known for the shakespearen style. The voice acting presented was decent, however the aforementioned dialogue didn't make it shine. The gameplay looked like one of the Arkham games, but this is not necessarily a bad thing, the gameplay not being the strong point of the LoK franchise. The community does not need a multiplayer game, but a closure to the story, something still focused on Kain, Raziel, The Elder God and the Hylden Lord who is trapped again in the Demon Realm. Too bad Dark Prophecy never saw the light of day, it is probably what we needed. Personally I'd want to see a remake of the franchise, revamping the combat and puzzles, with a level design similar to what Elden Ring brought to the gaming industry, while keeping the story, the OST and the voice acting intact.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Dionysus-207 Thats a great point. Although I did like what was shown in Dead Sun.

[@VintageGameRoom]

Let's not forget how incredibly some games were remade. Resident Evil, Shadow of the Colossus etc. That's the level of attention LoK games need because they're too old and obsolete by now in terms of mechanics and graphics. I think remakes with the original stories would sell incredibly well. I don't know how much one remake would cost, for instance a remake of Soul Reaver 1 from the ground up, but it's what these games deserve.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@VintageGameRoom This is what I think as well. Just like they did with FF7 or Visions of Mana etc

[@Dionysus-207]

At least we’re getting remasters now, so huge W

[@b1zzy1986]

And lady death no I'm sure I remember herbeing part of the plot

[@PresumedDead1986]

your music choice to discuss this series is absolutely insane.

[@VintageGameRoom]

Remaking some of the originals would be the way to go. Keeping in touch with the fanbase and also attracting new audience by launching the games on new systems. If they sell well, they can continue the story and resurrect the franchise.

[@anwvererere]

im 36 and i still think it is one of the most important and favourite games ever.

[@collectorsnostalgicunivers1085]

Soul Reaver changed my gaming experiences forever. i would've loved to play the games that weren't released. The series should definitely be revived. The series has huge following. I recently back the Kickstarter for Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver. I can't wait to receive the merch.

[@funnyman695]

I just want a follow up to the end of Defiance….!!! Gah!!! Give it to me already before I die!! 😂😂😅

[@GameCircleTv]

@@funnyman695 🤣

[@LeviathanOz]

No one ever talks about Silicon Knights first failed law suit anymore! As a big fan of the original game, I followed SK closely in the late 90s. SK first attempted to sue Crystal Dynamics over Soul Reaver. SK were the creatives behind the Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, but didn’t have the skills needed to render 3D cinematics, so they partnered with Crystal Dynamics. They got publishing rights in exchange for the collaboration to generate the cinematics. Crystal Dynamics loved the success of the game, and decided they wanted to make number 2 (Soul Reaver). SK then tried to sue them over IP theft given the success of the game was largely due to the strength of the story which came from SK, the judge dismissed the case and CD won the IP rights. Which in turn lead to the series. But I do feel sorry for SK, if CD had been forced to continue collaborating with SK, I believe SK’s future would have been very different.

[@GameCircleTv]

Thats good info right there. Ultimately it's just sad what happened tbh

[@duellcollins7989]

I beg to differ with Blood Omen 2. If it wasn't for that game I would have never of gave the series a chance.

[@GameCircleTv]

I liked Blood Omen 2 as well and think it received unnecessary hate

[@Miekk4]

Corrections: Blood Omen 2 is on Gamecube also. (Edit) Soul Reaver 2 is not a Ps2 exclusive: there is a pc version

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Miekk4 While I would love a Bloodborne 2 that game does not exist lol. Also Soul Revear is available at Gog.com and on pc that is correct thank you

[@vinzenzdeanson4946]

I agree that dead sun should be released but as a seperate story to the main timeline, no Raziel because he exist entirely within the reaver after Defiance. What needs to be made is the story of how main line Kain kills or convinces BO2 Kain of his past/future failure in order to repair the corruption created by the big squid , this would set up a way to create a Balanced world full of humans and a stable ruling/guardian caste of vampires like the past he learnt of (also because his sword would let him know various important bits of lore).

[@GameCircleTv]

@@vinzenzdeanson4946 That's not a bad idea

[@rkcpek]

Kain finds a portal to our reality. But Not the present, jolly old england.

[@VladDracul_]

He did not fail, though. Sacrificing himself would only let the Sarafan be in control, which were being controlled by the Hylden at the time. In Defiance, we learn that Kain was the "chosen" one all along and in the end, we find that the Hylden found a way back into the world and possesses Janos's body. Raziel commits to his "fate" as the ravenous soul trapped in the sword and sacrifices himself despite Kain wanting to have Raziel at his side once again. Remember, most of this was orchestrated by Mobius, who did not know who he was serving as he did not see the Elder God as what it was. The last thing that Kain says at the end of defiance after fighting the Elder God is "Now at last, the masks had fallen away. The strings of the puppets had become visible. And, the hand of the Prime Mover exposed. The most ironic of all was the last gift that Raziel had given me. More powerful than the sword that now held his soul, more acute than the vision his sacrifice had accorded me. The first bitter taste of that terrible illusion. Hope." There is more to Kain's story and they need to just finish the story. The franchise is call "The Legacy of Kain" after all. Who knows, in the original story Kain may find another way to get Raziel back. I loved the fact that we got to play both characters in defiance and that we got to see some events that happened in Legacy of Kain from back stage, if you will. That Mobius was responsible for Malek's failure to save anyone and defeat Vorador, ultimately having his soul grafted to his armor by the necromancer Mortaneous, the same person who made Kain by gifting him Janos' heart. They can make whatever spin-offs they want after they finish the main story. Janos lives once again now his heart is restored and is now possessed by the Hylden. The Elder God has been wounded, but is not out of the fight. There is so much more story to be told. Dark Sun looks cool, but feels like a cop-out. Dark Sun should be left on the cutting room floor, or just not relate it to Raziel, Nosgoth, or LoK at all. Make it a completely separate game.

[@user-JDGauranga]

soul reaver 1 is one of the greatest games of all time. In every way. Graphics were incredible, the voicework and the action and puzzles. of course the plot also is amazing

[@antoninep.2328]

Moebius the Time Streamer, Deceiver and Eternal Gamester! - Kain sure knew how to label a spade a spade! 🤣

[@GameCircleTv]

@@antoninep.2328 🤣 he went all out

[@destructivedaz]

dead sun should have never been linked or had any reference the LOK. Its should be its own series of its own merit as it has some great ideas but trying to reboot the series from scratch by going in a different dirrection and just getting a team to somehow link to LOK IMHO didnt work. However the Dark prophecy Game that got cancelled was excellent. At the time when i was frequenting Forums when the game was cancelled (or before unsure) some of the ArtWork Material was leaked and i what i saw was exactly what was needed and the dirrection it was going in. I dont know why it was cancelled but beleive it was supposed to be the continuation of Kains Story but After the Pillars had been destoryed and rasing Rasiel and the Other Sarafan as Vampires bringning the Game full Circle from the Alternate timeline

[@SadisticMonsterMan]

Legacy of Kain without Kain would have been a mistake

[@GameCircleTv]

I agree

[@the.gods.of.obliviousity]

It doesn't need multiplayer. It's a single player game with one of the best story's to ever grace a console. They should do a remaster like the recent Tomb Raider for all 5 games and leave it at that. They lost the driving narrative force when Amy Henning left.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@the.gods.of.obliviousity I'll be happy with a remastered collection

[@lazysamson3724]

Bro, I can't believe the amount of research you must've done to get this info. I've been following it for years and didn't know why the series was so staggered and constipated at times. It was such a gem of a story and will always be one of my favourite video game series. Now i know I'm not the only one still wondering "wtf happened?"

[@GameCircleTv]

@@lazysamson3724 😂 thank you for noticing, I appreciate this comment. It is a lot of research and a lot of editing and I do this with all the series that I speak about so feel free to check out the other videos as well. Btw, yesterday at comic con it was revealed that they are remastering both Soul Reaver games, so that's great news

[@Haramu-Fal0]

Imma need a Metroidvania of this game like Blasphemous. This series was so Freaking awesome. I played and beat all but, Blood Omen 1 and Soul Reaver 1. The storyline was epic!

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Haramu-Fal0 which one did you like best?

[@Haramu-Fal0]

@@GameCircleTv my favorite was Defiance😁

[@ShadowCthulhu]

Soul Reaver 1 and Blood Omen 1 are both Open World games just like Metroid, you unlock new areas as you gain new abilities or weapons. No I will not call it metroidvania I will use the original name before it got switched over to sandbox games. There was an article back when Soul Reaver came out that even said the game was an Open World just like Metroid just in 3D, wish I could remember what magazine that was in. I would love to find that article.

[@luizenidog5016]

Dead sun should be based on Janous Audron the winged vampire , the storyline is technically already written and it should be done that way and has enough space for creative liberty while still sticking to the original lore .

[@GameCircleTv]

@@luizenidog5016 Not bad

[@Truekingr6]

I think it was gonna be kain vs the hyldans and at first raziel was gonna be a voice that kain could hear but we all know we didn't get that

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Truekingr6 we did not get that at all

[@pillar406]

I miss the Legacy of Kain series. I do agree with some of the issues from the games, but nevertheless these were fantastic games and deserve remakes

[@michaelharmon7052]

The serious was a blast to play. The story was epic.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@michaelharmon7052 facts.

[@madprincebalmonk7908]

I feel mixed to be honest. On one hand I feel like the story needs closure that we never got, and finally be able to see that coin land on its edge like Kain had said he wanted. On the other, seeing new mixes or rehashing of the story in different characters/views/story's would only make the already pre-made lore even more convoluted then it already is. Its hard enough trying to understand all the paradoxes that have the biggest impact on the story as a whole, while still trying to see the direction that they were trying to go with Kain. Along with the fact that they didn't want to continue making games that revolved around Raziel, he was to become the embodiment of the Soul Reaver as the title of the story that followed him. But now they have a comic out about Raziel's past, and some new characters. Along with the Relaunch on that hand held system (with a bunch of Crystal Dynamics games), and the Remastered version coming out in a few months. Its great to see that this timeless classic series is getting some much needed love... but should it really be continued.. or just finished? Again I would lean to an END then an continuation of it, as its been long dead... just unfinished.

[@benjiman7454]

LOK SR 1 & 2 should definitely be remastered. I also wouldn't be against remakes. Dead sun deserves a fair shot. I had no idea of its existence until this video. The series itself should be brought back. A new gen of gamers and streamers would give it great exposure

[@GameCircleTv]

@@benjiman7454 thanks for this great comment. We just recently got a tease that both Soul Reavers are being remastered so thats already a start. I agree that Dead Sun deserves a shot although most people are hating on it. Lastly im glad to read that you did not know about it as some people complain about how I add all games in the timeline of these videos. Thanks again

[@benjiman7454]

@GameCircleTv Thank you. Forgot to mention I Definitely subscribed during this video😃

[@psychokinetix8957]

I think we should remaster the games with current technology and added game modes. Maybe add in updated lore too.

[@GameCircleTv]

I agree

[@jackcason83]

Best games ever. Great story great voice actors

[@GameCircleTv]

@@jackcason83 which one was your favorite?

[@ncruz591]

There needs to be a remake and Simon needs to come back this story has so much potential and the voice acting at its time was beyond amazing. We need to revisit it but take the hylden out please lol

[@0128kwillis]

Love the whole series, and was happy when I found defiance on steam. Been over 20 yrs since I last played. I haven't looked for the other titles yet, but I hope I can find soul reaver 1 and 2

[@GameCircleTv]

Good thing is that they are remastering both Soul Reavers

[@LegendaryDarkKnight602]

You said that Soul Reaver 2 sold only about half of it's predecessor's worth. I used to get game books and never even knew Soul Reaver 2 was even a thing. I knew of Soul Reaver and Defiance though. It felt like SR2 flew in under the radar. Even when I was buying games off the shelves I never saw it.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 thats sad right?

[@LegendaryDarkKnight602]

@@GameCircleTv Indeed.

[@kohydx4305]

I so hope they bring back the series....

[@GameCircleTv]

@@kohydx4305 I Believe they are already working on it

[@kohydx4305]

@@GameCircleTv really nice

[@jonathanfields7022]

“I am what I have always been… ur… your right hand “

[@GameCircleTv]

@@jonathanfields7022 Damn so true 🤣

[@ShadowCthulhu]

One thing i thought was cool about Soul Reaver was that the Demo they released was actually a hidden section of the game.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@ShadowCthulhu That's what I was playing on the pizza hut demo? 🤣

[@ShadowCthulhu]

@@GameCircleTv It took me a while to find that hidden area in the game. Then when i got there I was thinking "hey I remember this from the demo"

[@GameCircleTv]

@@ShadowCthulhu honestly did not know. Great easter egg

[@ShadowCthulhu]

@@GameCircleTv I believe it was a Sunlight Glyph location.

[@sanderssmokes]

I've loved soul reaver since it's release .... I've always wondered did the elder god REALLY revive raziel or was he just there when raziel woke up....

[@brittanybecker170]

Nosgoth was a Square Enix attempt at a rebrand, chasing the trendy CoD money. Not only was the game buggy AF but it managed to alienate the old fan base who did not want an FPS game crammed into a heavy drama, complex ridden, character driven gothic story AND FPS players who did not want soliloquises triggering every three rooms and breaking their momentum. There was also the fact that Square wanted nothing to do with the original story and lore as we've seen in their leaked footage but insisted swearing and T & A were what the franchise needed. I'm grateful Dead Sun was stillborn and hope if the franchise gets another throw at destiny, it learns its lesson from the this. Dead Sun needs to stay DEAD except as a cautionary tale of what happens when studios chase trends.

[@GameCircleTv]

Sometimes Square just forgets about good old fashion love for the games

[@GameCircleTv]

@BingoClamshell Visit www.reddit.com/r/nosgoth/comments/wmx2fw/nosgoth_is_back_private_server_discord_link_with/

[@1xXx2012xXx1]

I wish they could make a remake for Blood omen using the Witcher engine, It fits so well, on the other hand a one last entry that could tie the remaining plots for kain from defiance could also be well received and the voice actors of kain and raziel are still Alive

[@MVegetto1]

Not sure if it's well known but legacy of Kain blood omen was originally planned to be a sequel to chakan the forever man

[@GameCircleTv]

Not bad. Isn't he in Baldurs Gate 3 also?

[@eyeonph2207]

Soul Reaver Legacy of Kain gained more bcuz of the Puzzles, when they focus more on the fight they lost the Puzzle lover players

[@umaid08]

@@eyeonph2207 i was only eleven and used to play the game with my cousin who was 14. Imagine solving the riddles without any guides or youtube. English isn't even our spoken language. It took us 2 years to finish the game because we rage quit so many times

[@GameCircleTv]

@umaid08 damn 😅

[@deathkiss1390]

Dead son had nothing to do with the legacy of kain series. It was a spin-off. I’m ok with them killing that game. Dark prophecy was suppose to be the conclusion to the series. They should definitely do that one. A remaster of the series would be dope too.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@deathkiss1390 Then Dark Prophecy should be their main focus. Give us all a proper end

[@ShadowCthulhu]

@@GameCircleTv While I would love to see Dark Prophecy get completed, I think the story was done they just needed to finish the gameplay though I am not sure. I would take a remaster of the other 5 games though, no need for remakes.

[@dirkmandark]

In a perfect world they would remake the Kain series as one giant game from Blood Omen to Defiance and also the final game that is the ending of Kain's story. THEn we can go into other games within the universe.

[@BWV88]

Blood omen 2 had the most disturbing depiction of hell I've ever seen in a game. The level with the moaning human torsos hanging from hooks on the wall and spider-like creatures randomly eating people gave me nightmares when I was a kid. . I don't even want to imagine THAT level with current graphics and audio. . . No frickin way I'd play that or even allow it to be played in my house. I'd rather douse the game in holy water and throw it into a fire just in case. lol!

[@niatasoulguard9595]

It's hard to continue the series without Tony Jay as the elder god and the voice actor for raziel. Both are now passed away

[@mountainwarrior108]

Legacy of Kain is a phenomenal game 👍 Blood Omen & Soul Reaver were excellent I barely played Soul Reaver 2 the Combat looks horrendous ! Blood Omen 2 was good for the time staying true to Kain & giving us a good look at the Vampires enemy the Hylden.

[@erikhasenauer3584]

I would love to play another legacy of kain game.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@erikhasenauer3584 we may be in luck soon

[@victorescobar7437]

For a complex story line, given how defiance ended, it seems like dead sun was giving an extremely complex story with good graphics. That's the thing, i feel like the story was going to be to ambitious and be the final nail in the coffin given what i've heard from this video. I hope we get a legacy of kain but they need to pin the story down because that's what the original fans are going to want.

[@jurgenhodenschmaus7475]

Nosgoth was very fun to Play

[@GameCircleTv]

@@jurgenhodenschmaus7475 you had the chance to play it?

[@jurgenhodenschmaus7475]

@@GameCircleTv yes, i got Beta Keys. Nothing to do with Lok, but a fun Shooter. You can still Play IT on a private server

[@BingoClamshell]

I'm a huge fan of story-based games. LOK is one of my favorites. Maybe I just don't like "better" hero shooter type games, but I played the hell out of Nosgoth. It was super fun to me.

[@jackwilliam4436]

16:40 Wait. What ??? Chakan The Forever Man is in the Legacy Of Kain universe ??? All I can find is just some fan theory based on the fact that Steve Ross worked on it and, thus, the art style is somewhat similar.

[@GameCircleTv]

"Yeah, some of the themes are the same simply because they came from the same artist (me). As for the symbol I had completely forgotten about it being on one of the Chakan Sketches. I did about 20-30 full color concepts in 2 weeks and it was all kind of a blur" STEVE ROSS*

[@war13death]

The original blood omen legacy of kain was originally released on PC. The playstation version was a port of the pc game.

[@RagingGrinch-TechGaming]

I played a few I really like blood omen 2 not sure why so much hate, but was a ton of fun for me on PS2. I think it would’ve sold better if it was made for all platforms vs being exclusive. I’m very hyped for the remasters we are getting.

[@cr4sh0veride]

Blood omen use to freak me out as a kid

[@GameCircleTv]

😂 but did you end up liking it later on?

[@travelerluke5748]

Yeah legacy of kain deserves a final chapter.. at this point it probably needs a complete reboot.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@travelerluke5748 Indeed

[@livebyhonor]

Another thing I wondered about the SR games(and Kain). Vorador created the Reaver sword to seal the demons away with the pillars. At the time the original vampire's were still Angels, So how is Vorador not. He appears to be a bitten vampire oddly before the blood curse was even a thing. Also why would Angels make a demonic sword that drank the blood of its victims. Granted this could have been where the Demons (Hyldin) came up with the curse idea. So was the Reaver once beautiful and Angelic and it twisted when the Angels became Vampires. Or was it always a demonic looking blade because of something Vorador saw on his "Offscreen" time travels. Could explain how he seems to be a bitten vampire and not a fallen angel. The lore is to deep to ever know all answers.

[@Akirilus]

But as Soul Reaver 2 told us. Kain refused the sacrifice! Kain refused the sacrifice! Kain refused the sacrifice! Kain refused the sacrifice! ....

[@imohbalu]

6 😢 I only played soul reaver 1 and legacy of Kain Defiance . Didn’t finish anyone 😂but really enjoyed and loved it both

[@GameCircleTv]

You should try the others. Also fun

[@A_Real_Bloody_Vampire]

Definitely agree I played all of them well except for Nosgoth

[@imohbalu]

@@GameCircleTv hi mate I don't know if it can be downloaded in PS4 but I will definitely try to redownload Defiance.. Because it was my favourite...

[@allsparkwarrier]

I really would love to see Dead Sun come back and have Raziel make an appearance. I have also wanted the series to continue on from Defiance for years now, and to see Kain fight the Hylden to a final defeat would be amazing, provided it be done right.

[@GameCircleTv]

I agree and I feel like it can be done right with all the advancements we have

[@roddytoomer4300]

Please add kain and raziel 🔥🔥🔥 they have to be a part always

[@GameCircleTv]

@@roddytoomer4300 exactly

[@jamespittman59]

Definitely Needs a revival

[@GameCircleTv]

@@jamespittman59 which was your favorite?

[@jamespittman59]

@@GameCircleTv I personally liked defiance

[@TheZelda360]

Damn Dead Sun look so kool it's a shame it got cancelled

[@Marcustheseer]

i stil want my sequal to defiance and a good ending to the story,why did they deside to focus so much on other charcs? al we wanted to play is kain and raziel and pasy defiance play with kain and maybe have his sword talk to him now that raziel is in it. why go a entirely diffirent road that no1 asked for? i wanted a follow up where kain goes on a journey across time to find a way to beat the ancient one and restore the world. after kain restores the world we can have spin offs a raziel game as a vampire and maybe a vorador and janus game.

[@wickd420]

If i remember from my childhood not too many people in my friend group liked this game but it will live on as a cult classic like other miss understood storys

[@anthonyrigley4402]

They should keep this going I have all of them and still love 6

[@GameCircleTv]

@@anthonyrigley4402 they definitely need to keep it going

[@Karcarius]

They remade Final Fantasy 7,why can't they just remake Blood Omen????

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Karcarius my point exactly

[@ItsSOMSon]

They need to reboot it for the next generation

[@GameCircleTv]

Absolutely

[@MrProteeus]

I pray to God they just make one more game because Kane still has to kill the elder God and hell if they’re looking for more ideas they could make multiple gods.. as gaming history would have it, God‘s love using humans and other beings as their play things for their own agenda so why can’t Kane go full on God of war like Kratos and destroy them all…., The story was seriously underrated and even the voice acting was perfect….

[@GameCircleTv]

@@MrProteeus I'm all for that idea

[@taraishot100]

Blood Omen 2 was an awesome game as well Kain is a bad ass on there

[@christopheraaron1255]

7:14 it wasn't anything new to have time travel. The first game had time travel in it.

[@war13death]

Dead sun was originally a completely different game that they decided to reskin as a legacy of kain game. That is why it doesn't fit with the other games.

[@Steelninja77]

Bought them all on gog and play them on my ROG ally. loved soul reaver on dreamcast but have soul reaver 2 to play now as well blood omen 2. need to get blood omen 1. . Only cost a couple quid each like £2 each.

[@GameCircleTv]

Playing these games on the go with the ROG Ally must be fantastic. Nicely done

[@Steelninja77]

@@GameCircleTv Yeah I actually went and played it after this. But haven't got soul reaver 1. Just soul reaver 2 because for some reason they don't have soul reaver 1 on GOG which is a shame. The other one I have I thought was soul reaver 1 was legacy of Kane defiance. Still all cool too have though. Hopefully now soul reavers getting rereleased on certain platforms retro platforms they may add it to gog. and i can complete my collection on there. Soul reaver 2 is just as cool though.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@Steelninja77 the remasters are being worked on

[@bosumrall4235]

I would not have enjoyed this game too much if it would have been released simply because of changing the look and sound of the characters too much I mean what happened to kain and Raziel the company originally making these games were doing just fine with them. Change hurts a lot. Sometimes, and this is proof of it.

[@lucasthegamemasterporterfi84]

I truly, truly miss E3…😢

[@ChuckPalomo]

Bring back Dead Sun. I don't care what anyone says, the art of what they showed in that game was some of the best I've seen. I want to see more of that world.

[@GameCircleTv]

@@ChuckPalomo 🤣 I agree honestly

[@ShadowCthulhu]

me too they can even remove the Legacy of Kain from the title if they want.

[@teddysoftwares3007]

In Playstation 1 was one of the best games

[@jahoonotes]

As my personal take, Dead Sun should remain buried. The premise was a totally different story revolved around the character that would totally ruin the uniqueness of Raziel and his wraith form. The one that should be continued tho is the Dark Prophecy. Defiance ended at the point where the timelines of SR and Blood Omen 2 could be finally merged together and the narration of Kain finally resolving his story could be shown by him defending the Nosgoth from Hylden invasion. Just give us some better controls, maybe like SR and we're golden. I really hope that the remasters of Soul Reavers is a foreshadowing of some big things to come. 😊

[@mmmnn1324]

nice video!

[@GameCircleTv]

@@mmmnn1324 thank you for that

[@TheMyuyen]

SR1 was like ps1 Zelda to me at the time

[@GameCircleTv]

@@TheMyuyen Understandable

[@Bojaxxx]

Let it die... I love these games prob in my top 10 series of all time. But to believe the people who make games now could continue this game and do it justice is laughable. Maybe Cory Barlog or Suker punch i would trust but no other developer really

[@decha1799]

Didn't the series end on a cliffhanger with raziel becoming one with kains sword?

[@GameCircleTv]

It's a cycle

[@chrisconnell1075]

They should redo Blood Omen with up to date graphics so it looks like Soul Reaver. You reuse the concepts and soundtrack for the story from the original

[@femo41l47]

Time travel has all ways been apart of the game since the first one

[@tonberry7744]

So, once square got the licence, they dint next to nothing with it because they didnt see enough money in it. Figures

[@GameCircleTv]

@@tonberry7744 🤣