What Happened To Lili In TEKKEN 8?

[@Boogard]

Watch the video before you comment lol. I mention in like the first minutes that the video is talking about why everyone stopped playing her in tournaments and the disconnect between her huge popularity among casuals, and lack of popularity in competitive play.

[@KarmaSangheili]

Unga bunga shorts mentality needs everything front-loaded and in all-caps. No pacing allowed.

[@JennyTheNerdBat]

If the video's title comes off like sensationalized for the sake of more engagement (even if the real reason is series consistency), you can't really put blame on viewers for being confused about it - especially with how predatory KZbin landscape already is with all the attention-seeking headlines/thumbnails. Nice video though, enjoyed it as a long-time Lili main.

[@Cybfreak99]

Playing Lilli is very interesting she becomes immediately your favourite but because I have my own personal favourite at some point I feel betrayed that's why in my opinion I don't lilli😂😂

[@marcblack960]

Wat. I feel like Lily is everywhere. I honestly think she is the female i run into the most often, alongside Reina

[@Boogard]

Yeah this video was just about why she’s so absent in competitive play and why she got nerfed so much

[@youhadmehatOmNomNom]

​@@Boogard Why such a misleading title then?

[@witchblade8595]

true!

[@professoremil]

@@youhadmehatOmNomNom Oop- 💀

[@Kruzeda]

I was about to comment the same thing, Lili is legit the most common or second most character I run into in ranked

[@yaboibSLT]

Most Lili mains just lurk in customization and only play to fill out their battle passes

[@moudacouldashoulda195]

I feel attacked

[@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584]

Never have i been so offended by something i agree with

[@HornyCactus]

Ur hiding under my bed aren't you.

[@Valkmiyake]

Oop not just lurk in customization lol

[@Kondes500]

ME... But I main Asuka lmao

[@NoInnovation]

I DO play the game. I just spend most of my time in the best mode: Character Customization.

[@zapzarbiedrama8285]

LMAO REAL😭

[@ZenniTheRabbit]

3:15

[@rustyAF]

True dat

[@ssensei34]

I didn't drop lili because I still felt like she was fun and strong enough, but I was pissed that they just pointed a gun into a room of broken characters and shot her at random while Alisa, Drag, and other characters are existing as normal.

[@Notwedsquid]

Those nerfs were needed on lili but you are right the fact that alisa and drag or any of the top tier got away without being nerfed was just crazy to me.

[@PervySage723]

Actually facts bruh

[@since2133]

She needed those nerfs. Now they should address those other characters to be toned down especially Nina and King.

[@aoiminase]

@@Notwedsquidis it because some of lili’s moves have some nice tracking? Most of her moves were linear

[@cheifwaffle]

​@@since2133 Not really the point tbough. Bamco panicked nerfed her after the tourney she won. But left chracters just as broken untouched. It took like 5 tourney wins of Dragunov before Bamco thought of nerfing him. Thats absurd. Even more so abusrd that jin has never been nerfed

[@xecydez]

Lili player (almost)never ask for a buffs, while other ppl consisnently ask for her nerf. She’s always an A tier but after Patloar’s performance in TGU2024 suddenly she’s S tier for those ppl

[@Kenkyou_Nogata]

Content creators sometimes ruin things for us. Lili was good. But once a content creator says "Broken." The echochambers start blowing hot air ruining it for everybody. Cause you now feel like you are cheesing and can't enjoy the character anymore while you receive toxicity for no reason. Reina was first, Lili after, Leo was next, Bryan followed, now Lee in next in line. Meanwhile nothing's really changed. Just strays. That keep putting them at S or high A for no reason sometimes.

[@susulilith]

@@Kenkyou_Nogata but lili was broken before nerfs. she could loop a 5050 as long she had heat and if u crouched and she did a mid - u died. and you couldnt anything about it

[@BlancheirDM]

@@susulilith Having a 50-50 doesn't make a character broken. Which is why it is called 50-50 there is a risk to both sides. If you're lucky and guess correctly then you won't die maybe even punish the other player. That's what 50-50's are supposed to be. Also Lili is not the only character who has a 50-50. Taking that 50-50 away just straight up gutted her and took away the one thing that's making her competitively viable. Like what the OP said Lili has always been a solid A tier character. She's never too good nor too bad but the moment someone does good on her people immediately jump the "Lili is broken" train.

[@unseeninja83]

Just cause we don’t fight in the fighting game doesn’t mean we don’t play Lili. We are just playing dress up in the fighting game.

[@HiroOfLegend]

Excusing the title as way to get people to comment, I'll sum up why people aren't playing Lili in tournaments. Because the only known Lili player out there is Chikurin. You could probably count on one hand how many knew about Patloars before Matterhorn'd Arslan into the Twitter complaint death combo. Lili has never really been a popular competitive pick, like ever. At the highest level in older tekkens you didn't see her at all either. Players in tournaments stick with what is strong and what they are comfortable with, which is why so many have been going with drag since outside of his new low and SNK 4 he is basically the same, just like bryan and Nina. One last thing on Lili, she is a very awkward character to play(despite all the crayon eaters you see in ranked) at the level you see chikurin play. He does alot of b1>Dew glide>Sidetep Left to blow up players pressing against Lili's pressure, she has alot less plus frames and mixups to force a offense like drag, Nina, or Alisa. She still has the best sidesteps in the game and that hasn't changed. You won't be seeing more lili's in tournaments unless she somehow becomes absolutely busted or becomes easier to use in tournament settings. Until then Just watch Chikurin and Shine, the two best Lilis and learn from them, they have youtube channels.

[@armanmislang7726]

This is a great point. I am slightly annoyed at the clickbait thumbnail and title of the video. Very deceiving.

[@maikkeli]

Lilis has hard time to pressure her opponents if they know about her cheese. After that it becomes guessing game for Lili to know which defensive option to use. In Tekken 8 you want to be one in the driving seat.

[@cereal2373]

yeah, her offense is pretty committal. nothing like jin, where everything is safe (shitstorm incoming). if the opponent knows the matchup well and keeps her at bay (and doesn’t get carried to wall while her heat is active), she can have a v hard time imo.

[@lordfriezaemperor3370]

I was going good with lili. It happen in tekken 7. She was good until someone won her in evo I think and then they nerfed her hard. Makes no sense. It wasn’t like lili was cheap. She was honest and should have left her alone. Now I work extra extra hard to see what I can do with some players

[@Rius9106]

Those nerfs were deserved. Even after the nerfs lili is still around top 10-15 range, which is not bad at all.

[@aoiminase]

@@Rius9106is it because some of her tracking capability moves?

[@farhadnouroozi3378]

I dont see any female character in ranked more often than lili

[@TraumaCenter13]

He is talking about the competitive scene

[@introgreen587]

alisa counts as female

[@farhadnouroozi3378]

@@introgreen587 i know its weird but i see lili even more than alisa

[@cheifwaffle]

I rarely see her in blue. I see Reina more. Even lidia is more common. I think shes much more common before blue

[@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584]

​@@introgreen587Alisa is close to bottom 10

[@quiandliteral]

As a Tekken God Supreme Lili, although I do feel some aspects of her gameplay were nerfed (R.I.P. Voilà), I feel like her sidestep makes up for it a lot of the time lmfao

[@HorfSnorf]

This series is awesome man. I really like videos from strong players explaining why a character is good/bad. Great way to learn.

[@agent1149]

Great video! Keep it up. As a Tekken God Lili main that DOES go to tournaments, I can assure you are 100% correct. Like out of 50 plus players I’ll be the only Lili and then you’ll see like 10 Dragonavs. In general, she’s a VERY fundamentally based character and because of that she struggles in competitive play when you’re consistently fighting against Dragonavs and Alisas that don’t have to put nearly as much effort in their offensive pressure to destroy your health bar.

[@Inconclusi]

All nine billion lili players looking at the title: 👁️👄👁️

[@speed_poet]

Lili is a QUEEN. An icon for the gays and girlies. She is S tier in legendary.

[@Glendocious]

It's so funny cause your right. Even though I'm a 40 year black male with 2 kids who still mains lili. But alot of the you tubers who main her are for sure gay or women haha

[@SwipeGuy]

Im a lili main on my channel. But yes at competitive level even on ranked with blue ranks and above. Its rare i play another lili. Yes she needed to be nerfed after evo with the 5050 mix up abuse. However her other nerfs were unnecessary. Especially nerfing her before top tier broken fighters first. When she gets into a back stance after her flip or her 11 was unnecessary nerf. It didnt jail an opponent like other characters. She needs buffs. She doesnt have a punishable rising launcher thats fast enough for example jin wr2. She doesnt have a sidestep stun thats guarenteed on counterhit. She has her ss12 which hits of axis. Her new powercrush is slow. They need her old one from tekken 7 back her ff2 was great and stunned. She desperately needs her db3 sweep launcher to be buffed frames wise. 30 frames is a joke. Its criminal how someone like feng in backturn can get full sweep launcher which is unseeable vs hers. Hers needs to be 23-25 frames not 30. Her unblockable spinning slap needs to be more friendlier in combos. The amount of times i do it online and you miss by a microsecond and drop the combo is soooo annoying. Her 12 push should be able to slam an opponent on the wall if they are at a height. Like laws stance roundhouse mid combo on a wall. Her heat attack where she had back turned her ended of that move needs to be made into a combo launcher at the end. That move is only good near wall if it wall splats which is rare to land. A lot of fixes need to be done for her. Shes fun to play and shes been my main since tekken 6. I play characters that people dont play as much like zafina and lately azucena and jun because people just play busted character's and get carried so i like being the exception. But i do hope they fix her as she was great at the start. They just over nerfed her.

[@ferike211]

Omg the spinning unblockable combo.... Im currently in tekken king-emperor rank... but i just cant do it right... i did it like 2x about 100 trying... My boyfriend can do it and he is not even a Lili main and ffs not even playing tekken about 2-3 years... Its just makes me so fucking sad☹

[@SwipeGuy]

​@ferike211 yes honestly it's sooooooo annoying when you do the launchers properly and one millisecond out completely misses. Her basic spin slap even at level 1 should be tornado spin like feng , drag, nina etc. Its a big pain that lili players shouldn't get penalised for. Very big Ick. I literally lost a promotion match yesterday because it dropped and I missed that move.

[@AfroKing.]

I disagree with almost everything you said except the part where you mentioned using her ff1+2 in combos should be better

[@SwipeGuy]

​@AfroKing. Why? I know you play lili well but you got to think about her vs top tier broken characters. You can't justify her db4 30 frame sweep is balanced??? Do you know how many times an opponent side steps that move is thrown and at the last second they block it? That's not balanced or fair to a lili player. Whereas feng, kazuya, jin all have faster sweeps which can launch. The 11 into backturn didn't need to be nerfed. considering lili doesn't have strings that leave her on plus frames on block asides df3 heel kick and ff34 the missile kick which takes time to recover. That's a fair balance in comparison to other characters who have plus frame pushback and jail you on block. Her wr2 launcher is not launch punishable on important sweep blocks. For example hellsweep. Jin blocks it he gets wr2 launcher into full combo, kazuya wr2 punch stun, azucena wr1 punch stun, lili only has wr2 which Is too slow and is blocked and wr3 which is too slow as well. She only has wr4 which is a kick punish but no combo. So its about making it more fair across the board. If you block something like a sweep she should be allowed like many characters to launch and do combos not be left with wr4 kick which does like 15 damage vs she could get 70 damage from a combo. Her ff2 t7 powercrush is better than her current t8 power crush. Its like eddy's forward moving powercrush. It makes lili more aggressive and gives stun on hit. Its currently unsafe and its rarely used. What's the point in having a move that you don't use because it's too unsafe? Buff it. A bit important one i missed out. Her dew glide cancel should be able to cancel sidestep to both sides! We all know you have to move certain sides depending on a character to whiff and punish. So now it's time to make it fair especially for top players to be able to move the correct side. Instead of being locked to the left. Thats a big one. I'll make a video next week about it. But none of the things I said are unfair buffs. She wouldn't be as broken as heihechi and many other characters.

[@AfroKing.]

@@SwipeGuy 1) db4 is a snake edge. All snake edges are slow, reactable, low launchers. This is balanced to lili players because all snake edges are like this. Alisa (d3+4), Feng (db4), Xiaoyu (df3), Asuka (df3+4), Bryan (df3). Snake edges aren't the same as hell sweeps. Hellsweeps are fast, unseeable lows that deal good damage, but are launch punishable and leader to stagger animations on block. All the way from -23 on block (DVJ, Kaz, Hei) to -31 (Feng, Jin, Leroy, Paul). They may sometimes lead to launches, but most of them don't launch. Jin's and kazuya's hellsweep don't launch. Feng's does. 2) The nerf to 1,1 was warranted. It was access to a free carthweel mixup on block without having to commit to a 23 frame slow move. Yes her only plus frame moves are df3 and qcf3+4 in the neutral. ff3+4 is only plus at a distance after so many active frames; otherwise it's -2 on block and not plus. 3) I know good and dang well you just said Lili couldn't launch hell sweeps. Babes...Her ws2 launcher does, in fact, launch hell sweeps. May I refer to point 1 about hellsweeps again. Everyone in the game can launch hellsweeps on block. 4) Her ff2 in tekken 7 is the same speed as her d1+2 (which she also had in tekken 7). ff2 was i18, but because you had to do a double forward input, it made it i20 as the fastest speed. Her d1+2 is i20. The same speed. Her d1+2 was a game changer in tekken 7, since ff2 was launch punishable. 5) Dewglide cancels function like literally every other cancel in this game, whether that's sneak cancels from drag, KNK cancels from Leo, SNK cancels from Shaheen. They all press up to cancel regardless of the side they're on. It doesn't just make her go to the left, she can also go right depending on what side of the screen you're on. So it is balanced with all the other ones in the game.

[@ScentpaiZ1]

Lily's player too busy getting her barefoot

[@wolfie6096]

They may not be prevalent in your ranked server, but she’s very popular in Asian regions. Ironically, NA players are the one’s who plays her most during tourneys.

[@ragnarok7452]

Yup, she is one of the most popular female characters I get after Reina.

[@Jonkin715]

I believe that the game's meta is the biggest culprit to Lili's downfall in tournaments. As stated in this vid, characters with a defense based playstyle are already behind the 8 ball.

[@Clothori]

I started my fighting game journey with Street Fighter Alpha 3, and I fell in love with Karin Kanzuki, and along with her, the ojou-sama/rich girl archetype. When I got into Tekken 7, I fell head over heels for Lili for this reason. She has such a unique style and look to her that a lot of other Tekken characters don't have (according to my tastes), and she looked even better when Tekken 8 dropped. This chick could be nerfed into the ground and I would never drop her. But good lord, people HATE this character so much, and it's probably why she was one of the first "broken" characters to get nerfed like this. Anywhere you go on the internet, you'll find more people talking about how much they hate Lili vs how much they love her.

[@BlancheirDM]

I love Lili and I think the reason why people hate Lili is because her moves are probably the most read / known in the entire game. That when you lose to a Lili it is a hard pill to swallow. Everyone who has played tekken for a good amount of time will never be surprised / caught off guard anymore by Lili's movements. All of Lili's arsenal are widely known to players so the fact they still lose to a Lili really hits their ego. That's why I think people hate her. People know that when they lose to a Lili it's not about the character but the actual player itself.

[@PKProductionzBeatz]

As a Lili Main i woud Apreciate it qck 3 ( vouila) would track in Both sides 😊👍🏻 That alone woule make me happy 🎉

[@xdepredatex]

as a new comer who often plays defensively i love lili, great video! always lookin for more info on her

[@NR-fx8tk]

I'm also a Lili main and try to play fundamentally. it's really a struggle to win against certain characters with her because they have such strong pressure and tracking. If they hadn't nerfed her so much it would be more fair against them.

[@x-tra8627]

I hated the dew glide 3 nerf. The new opponent's animation getting hit by it looks horribly grotesque

[@taco4242]

I definitely run into a ton of Lilis. I'm glad you explained you meant in Tournaments. Cuz I run into them all the time in Ranked.

[@NintendoNoctis-ub8fo]

Every Lili In ranked plays like they eat crayons

[@redline841]

And the ones who stream themselves playing Lili are like straight up Lili Mains

[@DeejayMC25]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Miaou98]

And the worst part is that I keep falling for it 💀

[@JMproductions7]

That’s a little too smart for them

[@yoshitsune5691]

😂😂😂 tho if u lose to one, what does it say about u?

[@Terji]

lili is popular because shes cute/hot not because content creators play her

[@jl53588]

She was cute/hot in tekken 5,6,7 and Tag 2 yet she still had a low pick rate in those games. So what changed in this game?

[@nsgbranden8343]

​@@jl53588 tekken 7 lili was awful look at her character model

[@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584]

​@@jl53588Tekken 7 Lili just looked awful. She was popular in t5 Dr and honestly always is among top 3 female in usage so like I don't get low usage argument

[@introgreen587]

​@@jl53588she's way prettier in t8 and no longer has the snarky teen personality nor a butler to push around at all times

[@CosmicVoid420]

More coomers emerged from the shadows ​@@jl53588

[@firecross625]

Lili has the issue of feeling good enough to her players (myself included) that she doesn't get a lot of begging for buffs on social media, while also being strong enough that people ask for nerfs. I'm going to continue to not complain, I still have more fun playing her than any other character (although Lee is close), but your quote "Why play the defensive character in the most offensive Tekken," is felt. If she stays the same I'll continue to play her, I probably won't swap even if she's nerfed again, but I'll gladly accept any buffs they throw our way.

[@juno346]

No one plays her? I see her a lot in the Tekken lounge. But the lili’s I run into plays wild. Like they just press random buttons. They be having me scared to press lmao

[@TraumaCenter13]

He is talking about the competitive scene

[@scoobydoobydoo7401]

At one point she was one of the only characters I saw during May which were Yoshi, Jin and Lili (yes I deleted the game during that point)

[@___Lera]

i keep track of my ranked matchups on my phone in a chart, and i can confirm. she is VERY popular in blue ranks. she sits at place 13 on my list with 21 sets against her (which is really high because there is a HUGE fall off at around the 18th place mark in picks).

[@Noum77]

Though Lili's tournament viability run was short, I appreciated it

[@BluuLili]

Lili is the highest female character usage in ranked.

[@BluuLili]

What??

[@nadercs2669]

love this channel ! keep it up!

[@KrisDee1981]

Faisty Rabbit mix-up is still strong. At the wall you have to sacrifice a little bit of wall combo damage and do 2, db2, FCdf1 for flipover knockdown. I truly believe that she is still close to top 10. Side stepping also have more value after patches. We don't see her in tournaments too much, because tier whores have Nina, Drag, Claudio, Feng, etc, and we never really had many high level Lili loyalists players.

[@eduxcloud]

yeah, they nerfed her qfc3 loop but that was mostly a general patch because Law was getting away with the same thing. she is a really cool and popular character, im glad the nerf weren't that crazy as i expected

[@artistcomplex]

As a long time casual main for Lili I'd say one of her early strengths is a critical later game weakness and thats learning her machup. New players assume while fighting her that shes all impossible to predict cheese all the time, and bitch loudly about this. Players who have built up a knowledge of the game fundermentals and taken 15 min to lab her will realise she actually broadcast's alot of her moves and your intended mind game very clearly, and can be very easily punished if you dont constantly switch things up.

[@bentaranagagaming4751]

i customized her heavily for my combo practice doll

[@Danielsonic87]

Pretty simple: she got so less strings of frame plus, so is SOOOO unsafe almost all of her tricks. And on the wall she got less option to hit the opponent, if mention almost all other PG of the roster. As Lili main, I feel struggling to play Tekken, but I love her from TRevolution, so I use for passion even if it's hard to win.

[@arbitrary0000]

I don't have a strong opinion on her overall power level but I always have a lot to say about the internal balance of her move list. My biggest complaint is how her lows are balanced. They buffed root of evil in the exact wrong way - insane frame advantage on BT transition leading into essentially a hard 50/50 where the opponent can just block, but it's still slow enough that opponents who fight Lili a lot and have strong reactions can make it not worth using at all (Tekken 8 allegedly has 1 frame less input delay than T7, making it actually easier). And then you're forced to use the much less satisfying to hit lows d3 and d12 only against those opponents. I think being reactable makes sense for lows that have a lot of other utility, so basically high-crush CH lows like jin d2, but a lot less with lows that become basically not worth using vs opponents who are at least somewhat decent at reacting to them. I'd prefer root of evil to be faster but not so plus on hit, leaving more interesting mind games on hit than just "will my opponent stand or crouch block". Hell I'd even be okay it with being -13 on block if it was faster. Having a g-clef that lead into basically a favorable situation on block was too much, it's good enough just as a g-clef. But now that her main BT transition move is root of evil again, meaning that against those opponents who can react to it she's severely lacking in good BT transitions. At first I was thinking b21 might be kind of a replacement for 11 in that role, but the range on that move is pretty abysmal, plus being i13 high-mid.... Balancing of BTd2 and BTd4 makes no sense. BTd2 is cracked while BTd4 is redundant and useless - no damage, no CH, the speed difference basically doesn't matter, the only noteworthy advantage being safer on block (but it's not like BTd2 is launchable by most characters). BTd2 does more damage on NH and also great plus frames while forcing crouch, great reward on CH, also high crushes like BTd4 and is still pretty fast at i16. Better BT transitions but with nerfed BTd2 and buffed BTd4 would make sense to me. I'm glad feisty rabbit / qcf3 oki got nerfed though, the 50/50 coinflip vortex is very boring whether you are the one doing it, on the receiving end or watching it.

[@Nihl3375]

Pokémon battle revolution ost on tekken content , love the match up 🎉

[@flemingbudubiney2936]

Lily is my 2nd favorite female character in the Tekken franchise. I haven’t played Tekken 8 but she’s very fun to play with in Tekken 6. The crazy thing is that I’m suppose to dislike characters like her cause they’re from a rich family, they act arrogant, dismissive of others and are self-centered but for some reason I don’t dislike her.

[@NintendoNoctis-ub8fo]

Also yeah it’s crazy how every spams her in ranked but in tournaments she’s nowhere to be seen

[@vapersmith7859]

I missed the Lili train but at least I'm finding that every character that I ACTUALLY figure out I find can climb with. The nerfs and buffs don't seem to really stop the actual climb in online ranked...I find this bizarre. I've seen characters who are SUPPOSED to be walking trash cans winning matches and getting promotions to extreme ranks like blue rank and above. Some of these walking trash cans end up becoming the highest rank in the game. So yeah Lili just seems to be one of these characters that got dumpstered yet is still climbing.

[@mish5898]

So slightly misleading thumbnail then, "why the smaller, highly competitive/pro part of the Tekken player base aren't playing lili anymore"

[@Ace-of-spade]

i'm in Europe precisely in 🇬🇧 and l can promise you that online and rank she's everywhere. it's like she is the only female character in the entire roaster with reina too . well in pro scene the only player who is still playing her is chikurin since he won EVO with her she's his main character

[@Davidb5212]

Great video

[@km7136]

Arslan said people weren't familiar with her early on, then they overnerfed her best tools for no good reason after she won evo japan like they did to panda when rangchu won t7 twt. her wall combo doesnt exist anymore after all the qcf3 nerfs. somehow she took priority over dragunov and feng nerfs

[@Gboythunda]

Lili is my 2nd. I unintentionally picked her up at the end of t7. You can pause at end of any of her moves and she is basically posing

[@TheTanSteele]

That answers that. Not even kidding I have been seriously wondering why I didn't ever see her in tournament play despite having a solid move set and stupid range.

[@cornedbeef19ch]

no one plays lili *sees ltg and 6lilshrimp got destroyed by lili

[@Moltanova]

I stopped playing the game... i hate 50/50s at the wall where i can't get up

[@linnen_elm]

it's okay guys Rangchu-sama won the world with panda and bear. Surely had he given lili he could also do the same or even more better, so it's up to us to enable our queen guys!

[@ubergamer2010]

What? Her and Jun are the most used female characters in Ranked. Tournament players arent using her cause other characters are easier while she got her best resources nerfed.

[@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584]

As a Lili main, the only stupid nerf was d3 like why would you nerf her main low poke on a movement based character. DG3 nerf were justifyable. 1, 1 nerf only means she struggles to enforce her 50-50 on block which in a sense I guess means she struggles to 50-50 compare to average in a game where 50-50 is rewarded but I never played Lili as 50/50 character. Overall she is in a lot better state than she was in T7 other than game nerfing backdash in general which is felt noticeably an issue with her traditional gameplan. I do think people over rate how much having good side step means though since numerous stuff in the game realign like crazy and most average players aren't side stepping or know which direction to side step what character anyway so having like some better chance to not get clip while SS is not as big a deal like yeah I have slightly less chance to get clipped by jin heat smash second hit while side walking depending upon his mood, extremely privileged advantage

[@Pepsimanv2]

Can you do a why no one plays Alisa anymore. It feels like she kinda vanished from online mode. I barely see her anymore. I even see bears more often than her.

[@Fairykarm13]

got to tekken emperor with her and i think ill just stop there. shes way too difficult and stressful to use in high ranks now. She’s way slower than all the other characters and I always get countered I feel like I can’t press anything I’m tired.

[@ferike211]

I feel ur pain...

[@gokussj1061]

I,m Lili Main It,s not like her dissappear but i feel now her is very hard to use cause lot players drop her or just players dont have skills to play her but I love her and never drop 😊

[@AlistairAliceEarl]

Sorta unrelated but how much harder is Lili after the nerfs?

[@cynmania]

They made her less mashy, using her defensive and offense tools at a decent level. Im a kishin lili who has over 600 hours and know majority of tech and skills needed to succeed with her. Her QCF3 being safe was a bit dumb but atleast you can jab punish it now, alongside her 1,1,3 being a bit more unsafe but if you know how to implement it, its still a good move. If you know her ins and outs, shes a blast to play and shes a solid character if you know when to play defensively, how to punish and when to offense. Dont let pros dictate who you are interested in. as long as you enjoy the character, who gives a fuck

[@AlistairAliceEarl]

@cynmania What does playing defensively mean? Cuz the only thing I think abt when ppl say that is just holding back and sidestepping and basically just running away from your opponent until they let their guard down.

[@cynmania]

@@AlistairAliceEarl So knowing and reading your opponents to either CH them, Punish them correctly or mitigate the situation to relieve pressure. So for example, 113 is a hit confirmable string where the last hit CH if the opponents hit, if you have a good enough read on your opponent you can finish the string to CH them > Combo if you are fast enough. Knowing MU and punishment goes a long way too. Always know your punishers. I would reccomend dewgliders lili guide if you wanna know more

[@AlistairAliceEarl]

@cynmania I see, sadly I can't play Tekken 8 but I'm sure some of the guides are applicable on Tekken 6

[@Makilouses]

Ok well you motivated me to play with lili competitively wish me luck fr🙏

[@MarceloFong]

If Chikurin never won Evo she wouldn't be nerfed lmao. Everyone figured her cheese strats and I think she got too nerfed in comparison some characters. I think she is in a better place than never before. If she recieves 2 or 3 small buffs she maybe viable in tournaments

[@ognicc6611]

A lot of people play lili as for competitive tournament wise is a different story but she is definitely still relevant

[@lordfriezaemperor3370]

I still play lili. I’ve invested to many years with her. But you’re right about everything.

[@LegateSprinkles]

Im picking up Lili after starting with Yoshimitsu

[@amir.h.c6467]

Did patch 1.05 dropped after harada vs Lilipychu match at evo?😅 bc in that Lili's cheese beat the shit of harada's feng :))

[@introgreen587]

it dropped long before evo in America, cheese didn't win that match, just some lucky hits and some regular mashing

[@tekkenofil]

I liked her back in T5. I just miss my Anna…

[@localgenshinplayer50]

9:00 ive always connected the reason with misogyny, i mean look at tekken 7 top tiers, all men. i feel like they just made julia chang a little better as a "fine! here you go" type of character and forgot about her on tekken to make all the male characters dominate the s tiers once again.

[@freefall8265]

I literally just started playing Lili yesterday. Why is this on my feed?

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

She is one of the main reason why Tekken 8 is called a Casino Fighter.

[@Walamonga1313]

Watching Patloars' nerfed Lili destroy Arslan's broken ass Nina was amazing

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

They nerfed her because they do not like the image she instill if she is the champion. They knew that Dragunov and Nina were better but they look cooler as champions than her. No reason too make WS 1,2 launch punishable as an example or nerf her 1,1. Even if she is supposed too be a movement defensive character it does not work in a game with so many homing moves, her combo damage and propensity to drop combos also ruin the few opportunities she get to punish someone.

[@Jadasan]

Seems like she's played a lot online by low ranked players. Chikirun made one wave with Lili, then fell off after winning Evo Japan. She's just a casual character for now until the meta changes.

[@chacazulo1987]

Her lows are lackluster, d3 being +1 on hit lmao. Her d1,2 low high, ppl guess right u die. Her ff4 i’ve seen some ppl react to the low. Db3+4 launch punishable, her rabbit 3 is the only kind of good one. She’s decent but can’t counter a super aggressive character.

[@VladislavSnegurov]

I play Lili. She is one of my mains since Tekken 7. Played her when she was a trash in Tekken 7 and I play her now

[@mohammedriadh4990]

People usually use her only because of her customization options

[@ToshinRaizen7]

compare to how they nerf azucena thats just mild

[@nsgbranden8343]

As a lili main I'm glad, seeing people play her as rush down 50/50 hurt my soul

[@jaye9771]

I'm happy that Arslan said that Lili is not top 15 at all. Other players tend to put her at high tier bcs "oh good sidestep" only. Idk tho just sad that after Evo japan win everyone scream for Lili nerf and then we only see Sergei tournaments

[@Pierrue]

As a Lilli main, I would’ve still watched the video if you had titled it honestly as “Why no one plays Lilli in tournaments” instead of the generalized title you used. That title is confusing and even I thought that I’d be watching a video about her not being played at all in the game. I almost decided not to watch after you clarified things in the video because I hated the lack of clarity in the title, but chose to stay to see what you would say. Your video is actually good and gives good info about why she isn’t in tournaments. Just wish that the next time I see a vid from you it’s honest.

[@nataliadolly]

I play Lili and I’m already halfway through the rankings on one day

[@Notwedsquid]

Im actually surprised this is a video cause i see lili a ton in rank but also it’s surprising she isnt being played in rank but i think its cause you actually somewhat need execution but also is pretty difficult to play, but i do think lili will just get better as the game goes as soon drag nina yoshi king and the top tiers are nerfed she will become one of the best cause she is insanely strong already, but i actually really like lili but i hate her when im playing as hehachi.

[@renganime2151]

theres literally a lot of lili contents in my recommendation rn😭

[@natrix_1915]

It would be great if you did this type of videos with Lee

[@LuisGarcia-up4jm]

On regular mode lili is played a lot just for her design alone

[@Mr440c]

I think she's severely underestimated. Also why not talkk about the buffs only nerfs? She got her ss4 to be full ch launch instead of just +10. I expected devs to make these + frames true so she'd get bt 1,2 or bt 1,4 on ch ss4 but instead they gave her a crumple stun for full launch. Considering that ss4 is -2 ob and her bt 1 being i8 it's puzzling to me that no one sees how much of a huge buff to her 'defensive' play it is. At this point imo e-sports players are either character loyalists (and there is no Lili player) or they just go by the easiest road and pick easiest and strongest character to play.

[@grvtt0]

Because defense is the inferior strategy in this game. Can't abuse ss4 when sneak4 hits you while ss-ing, also ch characters are still considered hard, look at Bryan, Steve. BT1 has low range it connects in too few situations to actually matter

[@Mr440c]

@grvtt0 sneak 4 is one busted move that belongs to a single character. Defence is still strong. There is still much tekken in Tekken 8. I also don't agree that Lili is defence specialist or anything like that. She has great offense as well. People are being very tunnel visioned playing Tekken these days as they watch pro's too much. Pro's will always tier-pick and grind meta because they want the money. The data they create with their approach is to the game is uninformative. T7 demonstrated that very well imo. I personally have my own opinion on certain characters and Lili is one of the strongest in the game rnw. Another thing I'd like to mention. Jin is considered to be one of the strongest however he lost almost all +ob moves in T8. Dive kick and heat seaker are only usable when the opponent already respects Jin. So what does that make Jin? Also a defensive character? I don't even think you can categorise characters like that in this game.

[@TheCabbageGuy-wr7ri]

I always thought lili would be interesting to play, but Mishima gameplay was too addictive, interesting to see her downfall though

[@Lemonpeppergoblin]

My heart goes out to all the Lili and Juri players of the world... Their hardest matchup will always be the allegations.

[@LastEdenian]

nice video

[@xxxll7784]

tbh she literally is not a defensive punishment-based character ... lili's not that functional or should say has no that many choices when facing high pressures to fight back... she should be a guerrilla fighter good at unexpected strikes and movements based on her ss ability, which I'm hoping would have something changed in the next round of patches for her tho her haters yelling that 'she's in the correct position for her now you lili mains are making no sense' lol

[@Hello-fd7tt]

She needs like 1-3 small buffs and she’ll be good again.

[@xxxll7784]

@@Hello-fd7tt I agree and just that they better be on point

[@Hachijo3GS]

Boogard Lili gameplay when?

[@thorcolossus]

I blame Lilipichu. After she beat Harada, her time in the sun was limited

[@Rylinoid]

Why no one plays the character Me: people either don't like the character or they got nerfed

[@since2133]

She’s literally the one of the most seen character online since online became a thing in tekken. 😂 those nerfs were justified and we don’t need to see any buffs. She’s fine where she is and still seen. Tournament players are way less than quarter of the fanbase…

[@usamaimran1516]

I think she is a committal . Thats why not much tournament presence

[@GarzaTheFather]

What are talking about if I’m not running into Reina I’m running into LiLi

[@ImaNeedHalf]

Literally see her more than any other female character

[@justsomebody6037]

The title seems a bit misleading, like in competitive, yeah sure, but for the majority, she is still a popular pick

[@Shy_Abi]

L-i-l-i Huh, that's a funny way to spell Jun Kazama

[@grinnazeed]

I like playing her because she's so pretty in this game, way more than past Tekken...