What Happened to the First Chat Noir?

[@ToonRuinsOfficial]

So, who do you guys like more as Chat Noir? Personally I'm more of a fan of Adrien. 😺

[@Mirrorcomics24]

Toon Ruins felix in the anime adrien main show

[@IrrationalCritic72]

I want to see Felix explored more in the show

[@Mirrorcomics24]

I feel like felix would have great plot progression with learning to be a better person but I’m glad we got adrien

[@Nitemurr]

I like Adrein more too!

[@ritselabuan6513]

Did you know Felix's voice actor is Bryce Papenbrook also voiced as Adrien.

[@toganium4175]

He gets his own episode in a story-driven show, and then he never appears again.

[@gracekim1998]

He’s going to appear in season 4

[@fieryicymilkman6098]

It was at end of the season so it makes sense he didn't come in another episode. he'll probably show up in more episodes in season 4

[@lilmupp875]

This show is anything but story driven

[@nolimitsluke]

It was one of the last episodes in the most recent season.

[@cartooncottage2024]

Given the fact that he was introduced near the end of season 3 and there's this plot with the Grand De Vanilli twin rings, I don't think that was his last appearance. He'll be back in season 4. I'm positive, he'll play a much bigger role this coming season.

[@causeexoareexoiamanexo-l9279]

I noticed that Mari was more innocent in the anime, more bubbly and easy going, Mari in the cartoon is an ordinary girl with low self esteem, but with caring family and friends. Idk

[@aksharam1287]

that was not marinette it was Bridgette I think..and the other one was felix

[@nagito6419]

@@aksharam1287 bridgette is fan name

[@ladypool1404]

And a stalker, we can't forget that X) Seriously, this girl's obsession for Adrien is super creepy! I prefer her in the anime version; she was so kind and cute X3

[@teenshii]

@@ladypool1404 Her obsession for Adrien is too romanticized. She knows everything about him except that he's Cat Noir. That's so creepy. o.O

[@Cheese_Doggy12]

@@ladypool1404 Fun fact: Marinette is a yandere girl who stalks his "senpai", Adrien and she doesn't want someone take him especially Kagami.

[@davidkonevky7372]

The writers: we didn't use felix because it was too hard to make their dynamic likeable and believable. Also them: *make marinette an obsessive stalker because Adrien gave her an umbrella and expect us to believe it's a good relationship*

[@sheriasha18]

So true, that is creepy even for me.

[@sourbleubonbon]

The thing is not her being an stalker, but it's an stalker in a KIDS show 😥

[@badulgumm5458]

@@sourbleubonbon Yeah it's even more creepier

[@miyuki_yasuda]

Fr 😭🤚🏻

[@georgeb5262]

@@badulgumm5458 And it is not treated like one.

[@Arya-ki5sc]

He got tired of Plagg’s cheese obsession.

[@mabelsbleach6851]

Can't say your wrong

[@jordanoh659]

No no that makes sense

[@angel_7845]

Kiolo_theMiraculer yeess

[@angel_7845]

Ye he rich to get him the cheeess

[@saraarrindell8931]

Honestly yeah

[@TheFlamingGamerYT]

I’d really like to see more of Felix, perhaps even find out why Felix is the way he is

[@theonethatlovescartoons3196]

Yeh we need to know more about filix but for now I feel like they need to felsh out adrien cause he is really underdeveloped cause my problem with miraculous is that marinnet is overused as a character and Adrien is just marinnet s crush and lady bug sidekick he really needs his own episodes with his point of view cause really marinnet is always the focus of the episodes and Adrien/cat noir Is just there

[@TheFlamingGamerYT]

Yeah, I agree. But it is up to the show’s producers and the other people if they want to do that. I do hope we will get some Adrian/Catnoir development

[@theonethatlovescartoons3196]

@@TheFlamingGamerYT yeh bro i realy want some adrien develepments cause he is my least favorite charecter in miraculous i mean i like nino alya and even chloe more then adrien well dont get me wrong i realy wanna like adrien but he is just not that good so yeh i realy want them to focus on adrien and give him develepments he is a fine charecetre but i dont like him as much as the others so yeh the show's producers need to give adrien charecter develepments he devserves better then this

[@jamssy3409]

@@TheFlamingGamerYT Felix will appear more in s4 and will probably do something with the plot :3

[@dayshapollard5437]

Bcuz of his dad maybe

[@runaway66]

If you watch miraculous office au, you can see how well they could’ve written Felix if they just put time into his character development from cold to someone sweet in the inside but struggling to show it because of his upbringing. I personally think replacing him with someone that’s already "perfect" seems lazy.

[@miraculoustheories721]

YES! I love that AU! It’s 100 percent the best.

[@adreannacaluscusan6092]

IKR PETITION TO MAKE IT AN ANIME OF IT BUT NOT CHANGE THE 3D

[@hysteri]

I know! His smile when he saw LB for the first time actually touched my heart because in the next scene you could see him how he is civilian form.

[@TheSinisterProdigy]

Agreed

[@kensken8842]

The show on the whole could have been much more deeper, in every way possible. But having another "sweet but doesn't show" male lead is not rly the better option.

[@AdventureHusky]

No. Thomas just doesn't understand what character development clearly is. Had they just done a crush at first sight that slowly evolves into a more understanding love then the relationship could have worked out. Felix/Adrien is socially awkward/confused/ignorant with a manipulative parent. He is going through some grief and has a lot of stress which makes him stand offish to people and comes off as an a-hole sometimes, but slowly Mainette helps him understand everything and he goes from gloomy gus to a much wittier and kinder guy. A slow burn love, but it still definitely could have worked out.

[@anonanon5046]

I would have liked it if in their civilian forms they don’t like each other, but when scenes like Felix giving her the umbrella happen they slowly start to care for each other

[@racheal4186]

It started from an innocent crush into a full fledged stalkership 😐

[@catlynnloucks4988]

@@someone3195 Okay, if I may speak please? I don't wanna start an argument, and your opinion is your opinion and that's perfectly fine! It's great when people have different opinions! But I think you misunderstood... Nobody said anything about "a girl fixing a broken boy". What they want is one person being cold towards the world, feeling all alone, until another comes and shows them that there's still good in it, helping them to their feet. Not healing them, because that's both impossible to do, and for the quote on quote "broken" person to do themself, but to just show them that there's at least a little light left in the world, and to be there to lean on. And, going by that, it would make sense why they'd slowly fall for each other too! Again, you're entitled to your opinion! But I personally, at least, would have liked to see the character development and slowly growing trust. 😊

[@someone3195]

@@catlynnloucks4988 I mean...u can have your opinions too, I think the things u have mentioned is no different than healing, or fixing. And even if it is, there are thousands of other stories in the type u like. I think instead of trying to change the one different story, u gotta read or watch the stories u like.

[@bangs8858]

@@someone3195 how is that toxic lmao 💀. Stalking is a crime. Helping someone get over grief and undertaking their emotions happena like everyday in the real world. My best friend helped me control and understand my feels when I broke down infront of her a few year ago lmao. It’s not toxic :/ The only exception is when the author wants it to be toxic where mari is telling Felix how he feels and not actually letting him think and figure it out himself.

[@adrienagreste1762]

I think Felix’s Mom is perfect for Adrien and Gabriel’s Dad is perfect for Félix

[@adrienagreste1762]

@@shesjustafriend2499 Facts

[@bmb4rllyxcgsss837]

@@shesjustafriend2499 It's still funny to me how they going to pulled off that Star Wars thing and how Adrien is going to handle that "I am your father!" tho that was already shown in Chat Blanc already but that was kinda sad.

[@tidela4714]

I dunno, Amelie gives me some weird Delores Umbridge vibes

[@mycelium8129]

I'm thinking they're twins but something happened like Adrien's mom's sister was infertile but really wanted a child so Adrien's mom gave her one of her newly born twins in order to fulfill her wish out of the kindness of her heart.

[@adrienagreste1762]

@@mycelium8129 honestly i agree

[@SoapyClay]

Honestly, I think that most people like Adrien more because we haven’t really had time to get to know Felix more and spend time with him and his character.

[@flowers8996]

I just realized the cheese was smelly and Felix's friends probably wanna be friended with Adriens-KINS also LOL

[@kensken8842]

No it's because, we don't want a "nice a*hole" bad boy character anymore.

[@thewitchprince8887]

yeah, he obviously has a really nice side looking at him and his mom. also the office au and felinette fics have taken over my life 😶 help 🤐🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@imnotthatfat31]

Man did this comment age well 😂

[@tiza7053]

@@imnotthatfat31 well it did cause Felix in the 3D version is different from Felix in the 2D also there hasn’t been any character development for him at all and his Ben like 7 episodes max😂

[@Justice1Knight3]

I kinda understand why they decided to replace Felix with Adrien: Felix's character. The whole brooding bad boy schitck is overused and would have been another example of the Brooding Boy, Gentle Girl trope.

[@adrienagreste1762]

So many confusing words I-

[@justaracoonchillinginatoilet69]

I thought the same. We've seen the whole "distant guy warms up to sweet girl" trope enough. Having felix as cat noir would've been too cliche and also the dynamic doesnt work out as well - their personalities contrast too much with little in common. Adrien in general is just so much more likeable as one of the main protagonists

[@adrienagreste1762]

trying my best 100% agree with u

[@delicateblood1944]

Yeah

[@joseph86255]

It still is that trope. You can be brooding and nice at the same time.

[@shrijitahalder]

Sometimes I feel that Adrien's not Gabriel's son....Felix is...but maybe that's my thought.

[@bluelock700]

😳

[@liz-yn6ou]

I can see where you’re coming from

[@nozomu5178]

Sometimes i feel like Adrien And Felix are actually twins

[@bluelock700]

@@nozomu5178 me too

[@marcelacaroline6140]

Maybe adrien is a sentimonster

[@DaisyHayt]

the fact that when Gabriel found out Adrienne was cat noir he through him across paris. WHAT GReAt parenting!!

[@RocKieDaSh]

HELPPPP THIS COMMENT

[@starlight_xxx1921]

Exactly I wish he was MY parent I mean hE's tHE BEsT

[@seyiselaton]

Pathetic parenting fr

[@DaisyHayt]

@@starlight_xxx1921 ikr I wish he was my dad 🥺

[@armyshope]

I don't like his father.

[@redrosenroth]

I'm surprised the Felix was switched out due to romantic compatibility because in the PV he has such intense, classic shoujo love-interest energy. Though I suppose the show as a whole moved away from those animanga tropes when it switched to 3rd.

[@ToonRuinsOfficial]

Astruc also stated that they didn't want to rely on that trope, because they felt that it was over saturated. So I'm assuming that also had a part to play in their overall decision. I still prefer Adrien to Felix, but I think they could've made it work if they really wanted to.

[@justaracoonchillinginatoilet69]

@@ToonRuinsOfficial yeah, like maybe make felix cold and distant because hes too afraid to get close to anyone after his mum died in fear that he could one day lose them too, so he avoids all social contact in hopes that doesnt have to suffer that pain again? And maybe make felix's character more three dimensional. He may be cold but he has his reasons for it and he doesnt actually hate others hes just scared of suffering, but deep inside he yearns to have real friends and wishes he possesed the ability to make friends. And then maybe when he meets marinette he slowly becomes less distant and learns to make more friends until he eventually realises he holds feelings for her before denying it a ton of times and then decides to confess maybe? Dont know if its original, but thats how i would do it. I prefer adrien anyway hes so cute and caring

[@Zoe-ut9zt]

... What-

[@laurarami7240]

Where can i watch that???!!!! I neeeeeeeeeed it

[@fyjc-n-94prathasatarkar80]

To be honest, I think Felix would have been fine, though I like Adrien more Felix would have just made the series more interesting because in the anime version we see that Felix does not like Marinette at all, so if Thomas Astruc would have worked with their relationship, then I think that over the seasons we could see that Felix would develop a soft corner for Marinette and it would have worked out. The series would start with hate and eventually end with Felix and Marinette being in love with each other :) What do you guys think?

[@elliec6759]

He's just standing there....... MENACINGLY

[@hehe_lemonade5114]

Your profile picture- 😂😂😂

[@goldexperiencerequiem8134]

Joj0

[@poptartcat1116]

Pfp makes it better

[@elliec6759]

@FnafProductionsTv thanks lol 😂

[@elliec6759]

@@hehe_lemonade5114 ik 😂 I learned my lesson never to pause miraculous bc of this pfp lol

[@not_thanuja]

0:53 oml , she walked like elsa in let it go 😂

[@not_thanuja]

@Hello Hi wai- what?

[@lily1998]

Felix: *Identity theft* Her: _I DONT CAAARE_

[@lily1998]

@@Gaemi_sinmun AHHH YES

[@dilaniweerawarna1273]

Ahhhh !!!! Yess 😆😆

[@not_thanuja]

@@Gaemi_sinmun lol

[@andreidemetillo6683]

We all know adrien will say one line trough out the entire show:sHe's JuSt A fRiEnD

[@Andreslopez-hq2fn]

Oh No....sHe'S jUsT a FrIeNd

[@tommie42]

😂😂

[@will0wtr335]

mhm

[@Me-dd7jv]

"ShE iS jUsT a FrIeNd, WhO iS iNtO fAsHiOn"

[@Hi-ky2wd]

bUgABoO M’ladY

[@pjanks_]

the fact that Felix's mother lost her husband and her sister hasn't stopped her from having fun with felix. Then take a took at G a b r i e l Edit: Lmao why does this have 6k likes. Welp Thanks Yall!

[@MuthicZ]

It’s because his mother has gone through stuff but she probably knows that they would’ve liked her to move one and have a happy life but Gabriel took it personal to the fact he would do anything to get his wife back. There’s always two sides of a story and how the person react to it

[@TheEeryTeacher]

pffft

[@maramisraoui2249]

Like I say : Gabriel is so focused on bringing his wife back that he lost his son too

[@shushles]

@@maramisraoui2249 ouch

[@inesrubio2044]

Yes exactly I am pretty sure that Felix's mum loved her sister and her husband very much but she still decided to move on and to try to habe a some what normal life with her kid

[@thewingedcheetahwolf2615]

I never ever saw Felix the way the show presented him in the actual canon. I saw him as cold but not heartless, he's more business focused but does care about others and more openly shows animosity towards Gabriel. I love him because of his tsundere personality. Marinette would fall for him by him showing a crack in his cold exterior and that he actually is a decent person and wanting to see more of it. But that's just me.

[@jamesrian1578]

I feel like at first marinette would only love Felix because he’s the cool/rich popular boy but as he starts to warm up to her she falls in love with the true him. And for Felix chat noir he wasn’t supposed to fall in love with ladybug at first but in the show he’d eventually have fallen for her

[@someone3195]

Suuure, a male character can be an a-hole, literal j*, be intentionally bad, but they will never be accepted as bad. The txc fandom always finds a way to say "okay, he might have been a j* but he has a heart too!!!!!"

[@someone3195]

Dude, just...how many times have u heard this same exact story and still there are thousands just suggesting the same thing.....?? Aww the cold bad boy, oh the innocent girl, oh the girl finds a way through the cold exterior, blah blah. Bad people are bad people. You can't "fix" people. Boys don't need to be fixed girls don't need to fix. It's that simple. And with this series, they show it to the fullest. Adrien doesn't have an easy life, but it doesn't make him a j*. Bc in real life, that's how it works. If someone treats you badly, they are bad people. Not so hard to get it finally is it?

[@someone3195]

The only case was Chloe, who they messed up this season, but she fixed herself. She said no to the Accuma, she decided she doesn't want power from Hawkmoth. But when it's boys, oh god forbid they fix themselves.

[@jamesrian1578]

@@someone3195 yeah well then marinette shouldn’t come together with Adrien at all cuz she’s not a good person. Excessive stalking, jealousy, egoism that’s not really good traits. And marinette fell in love cuz he gave her an umbrella??? That’s not realistic either, not at all. I just can’t see why Adrien would ever fall for marinette if she’s like this, their romance has no edge to it. If they weren’t superheros too no one would be invested in it.

[@solemnmidnight2644]

Honestly would've preferred Felix, he could've been brooding as Felix Agreste because of his responsibilities and then he could've seen being Chat Noir as a rebellious act against his father. He could've seen Ladybug as his partner in crime and someone he could be free with because their identities were hidden. If there was animosity between Marinette and Felix from the start it would have been interesting to see how they progressed from that point. Adrien as compassionate and clueless doesn't even think of her like that so things have been going stale. I would've much rather hoped they would work on Marinette's character and make her less obsessive and more aware. Plus opposites attract so I would have liked to see how they would go about that kind of relationship.

[@anuradharay7511]

But in pv trailer he really acted badly with mari i mean he really ignore her a lot..

[@bankai4735]

@@anuradharay7511 that’s character development

[@bankai4735]

@@anuradharay7511 he could be mean at the start and warm up to her later on in the anime

[@deathlight4210]

@@anuradharay7511 But it would make more sense with a parent like Gabriel.

[@anuradharay7511]

@@deathlight4210 idk but i think it would something like insult to mari until he apologizes

[@AlE-eg8ty]

Creator of ladybug: Felix is now Adrian so him and Marinette can get together. Me: We are 3 seasons in almost 4 and they still don't have no damn chemistry.

[@jenny-doe]

They have better chemistry in their superhero forms than their civilian forms. I can even say that Marinette has way more chemistry with Luka than with Adrien

[@sh4nz4yy]

watch the new movie. theres so many adrinette scenes I CANT HDHSHHSHFH

[@supersonicdj6389]

The new movie 🎥 is awesome

[@Crimson_Chin]

@@sh4nz4yy I was uwuin so hard I almost popped a blood vessel 😂😂

[@sh4nz4yy]

@@Crimson_Chin AHH SAME I WAS FANGIRLING

[@EmotionallyDistanced]

I honestly think the 2D version would have been MUCH funnier with the, “Chemistry”. I don’t watch the show, but now knowing that a 2D was SUPPOSED to happen, it makes me annoyed I couldn’t watch that. If they had just used, “Character Development”, They would have been able to make Felix a great love interest, although still stuck up and a bit rude. Also, I prefer the Anime style. ;-;

[@snydel5392]

I agree, I wish they went with the 2D animation and original plot it seems much more interesting to me

[@sissa8216]

@@snydel5392 unfortunately the spots were difficult to animate

[@aribahossain6234]

I still hope they could make an anime...it necessarily doesn't have to be Adrien and Marinette but Felix and Bridgette...playing it off as different ppl from another paeallel universe

[@hodamohamed4014]

@@aribahossain6234 actually they kind of show that in little movies in the background of the show but I think that would be a good idea

[@heavenlysadist]

@@sissa8216 if it so, why not bother making an 3D anime one like bang dream or argonavis- that'll would be much better rather than seeing Marinette as a stalker. I would watch the anime all over again and again and started crying shit over a song

[@Cookie-gm8dd]

I always thought Felix had a tsundere/introvert personality and a good heart in reality but he hid it so he wouldn't get hurt anymore. I would've preferred Marinette realizing that Felix is a good person (after the umbrella scene) and tried to bring out the goodness in Felix, which slowly makes Marinette fall in love with Felix. Now it seems like the author Thomas Astruc is aware that the audience wants Adrien to be like the "Felix" I just described, that's why he purposely made Felix (the one in the current show) a bad person so the audience wouldn't complain about it anymore.

[@Cookie-gm8dd]

@@hannahettinger9088 exactly

[@Metrisvoggs]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that

[@IndieFic]

Yeah but the whole trying to bring out the good in a bad boy is the kind of trope that unintentionally encourages toxic relationships in which a love struck person lets someone bully them thinking they are going to change

[@aHeroWith1000Names]

@@IndieFic I agree with you! Too bad we'll never see the PV show to know for sure what would dynamic between protags would be. I too think encouraging toxic relationships is a no-go, so if I'd to write Felix and Marinette, I'd make it so Felix isn't a bad person, just cold and distant after the loss of his mother and abuse of his father. He's pushing away people because he's afraid of losing somebody again, which only leads him to isolation - and coldness. But as he still craves for affection, and as he is still human, he can show kindness in some moments, and as Chat Noir. The original concept of creators was that he would have a curse that doesn't let him take the miraculous ring off until he earns a kiss of true love. And he wouldn't be that much of a jerk to ignore his responsibility. I'd also make it not so that Marinette suddenly loves Felix, but gets interested in him (at first not romantically but just as a person) noticing him showing compassion (something like the umbrella scene from the season 1 finale), seeing how it contrasts with his usual demeanor, but this wouldn't make him her instant crush. I'd also make it so Felix himself eventually would realize his flaws and start working on them, becoming open and compassionate person, not just because Marinette pulled him out of his misery forcefully, but because she was that one spark of warmth that he needed to wake up, get up, get out there.

[@pragnya_mati]

They said the anime was gonna be a lot darker...they wanted to make the show for all audiences I bet that’s why they changed it...but YEAH as a weeb i would have really loved the anime version..it would have been interesting

[@Kitty294_]

I never realized that as Chat Noir, Adrien’s hair is slightly longer ;w; however Marinette’s as Ladybug stays the same

[@strangecreation306]

It actually becomes darker 🤣

[@Metrisvoggs]

Marinette's hair becomes shorter

[@upsidedown4004]

Its because Marinette didn't think about custome :0

[@RiaSharma1]

*cat noir

[@upsidedown4004]

@@RiaSharma1 we called chat because it's spelled from france

[@PeytoBlue]

I wish they kept Felix and that original dynamic. They could’ve had the show revolve around their growth as characters, becoming better people together and falling in love in the process after becoming more compatible. Their flaws may still be there just not as bad. They’d learn to love each other despite their flaws and continue to grow as people. The show could keep them dancing around the whole “are they together or are they not” for a while due to neither of them wanting to properly date since not fulling knowing each other would feel weird and revealing their identities would be dangerous especially with them being the main two. Of course at some point more hero’s would slowly be introduced so on and so forth. The show would end with hawk moth being defeated and all their identities being revealed to each other (not the public) leading to Felix and Marinate would confirming their relationship now that the two things keeping them apart wouldn’t be a factor anymore

[@jailovez]

I love Felix but he was just a huge cliche and i like Adrien a lot better

[@sop1taa]

OMG I LOVE UR PFP ATLA ATLA ATLA ATLA

[@bagel4672]

That’s rough, buddy!

[@prinshamirguiamadinmastura9120]

Did he like you?😂

[@cookieaddiction7605]

Alice Heckman Hello, Zuko here.

[@Gabby-oi4dz]

Zukkkkkkkkkkkkko

[@cartooncottage2024]

Yeah, I remember when Felix was the actual Chat Noir and not just a side character or villain. His plot wasn't even bad, and if they really had a problem with him seeming like a "typical male anime character", they could have just given him character development!

[@izumi1630]

We all know how allergic the miraculous producers are to character development

[@444-u7c]

it isn’t just about character development but character depth. They could have taken how big of a cliché Felix was and gave some depth to his character by adding realistic elements to him. If they didn’t like how big of a cliché Felix was than they could have easily went around it. i’m disappointed that they didn’t go through w/ it.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

By depth you mean just the exact type of tropes see with any brooding character who becomes better later on.

[@444-u7c]

@@fightingmedialounge519 character depth doesn’t always result in the character “getting better over time”- what you’re describing is character development. character depth is more so about understanding the psychology of the character on a deeper level. this usually occurs when a character encounters some sort of dilemma. This is what allows us to feel empathetic or sympathetic towards them despite their questionable choices. when character depth takes place we are able to understand why a character is the way they are and why they do what they do... in other words we are able to understand the motivation behind their actions which, in some instances, can blur the line between what’s “good” and what’s “bad” and really question what we view what is ethical and what is not.

[@444-u7c]

@@fightingmedialounge519 taking a trope and adding character depth to it goes a long way and can completely transform a character and the feel of a story.

[@eyelove_owlcity]

Honestly, Felix deserves to have more episodes. Felix is awesome! I know he's a jerk but i don't care! He's so interesting as hell!

[@FelixW2902]

Ah, so thats why you think he is a wasted character. Well I can't wait to see him again in Season 4. :)

[@AquaCitea]

I agree

[@mozzarellasticksss]

This aged well.

[@adraabouji1937]

I actually tghoughts you hated him. now i understand you only hate his personlity

[@littlebabyman8494]

Do you regret this notion?

[@LilyG27]

WAIT I WOULD LITERALLY LOVE THE 2D VERSION OF MIRACULOUS

[@midnight_mocha891]

EEEE SAMIEEES I would of loved to see Felix and Marinette/Bridgette together!

[@torlester]

SAME

[@Ooahah27]

It was the Anime version

[@TastyToez]

They had to change it to 3d cause it was too hard to track the spots :>

[@gabilovestwice]

SAME OOFIES

[@starnight6756]

I don't think they put Felix's personality well, he is serious, responsible and spends most of his time with books (you can see it during the PV trailer) He doesn't even come close to what they put in the series...Does anyone else think that?

[@maddiebargeron586]

100% true I think they just wanted to make Felix look bad

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@maddiebargeron586 I'm fine with that! I hated Felix anyway!

[@nanamirinrin]

It feels like Thomas shat on his character on purpose just to prove his point that Adrien is sooo superior. I like Adrien, but he is too likeable in his civillain form and already has too many qualities so the juxtaposition with Cat Noir just isn't as fun. Whereas Felix felt like a darker person that had an unbeliavably fun side, is just so much better to me. He seems like he would behave like Fakir from Princess Tutu going by the trailer.

[@Cooltink101]

@@nanamirinrin Fakir was awesome ♥️

[@DunkinCat]

uhh what does PV mean?

[@bloxymax1979]

i feel like Felix is actually Gabriel’s son and Adrien is the other girls son, because she said that they always play tricks and switch “people” so I think that they switched Edit (may 21 2021): I think this theory could also be true because Felix has a dim personality like Gabriel. I don’t know about felixs mom though. PS: thanks for the likes

[@alguien8648]

That would actually be a good plot twist!

[@solidmusiclover9750]

oh my that would be the bomb especially we have more seasons! how about felix is a student in adrien and marinette school

[@sanasgachatube6894]

that is the best plot twist ever

[@xflipsyx9878]

ooooo plot twist, i'm going to try and forget that lol

[@emilyelephant9247]

Well Emile and amile are identical twins so they have the exact same dna so that means Felix and adrien are genetically half-brothers

[@neznam7008]

I want Felix as Cat Noir but in anime, not 3D, because it just looks... better in 2D? And animes are allowed of having darker plot, and I think Felix with the curse would be prefect for it. Anyway, for the 3D plot Adrien and for an anime with darker plot definnetly Felix

[@sweetsoul3169]

Same

[@neznam7008]

@@novadiscipulo5965 I LOVE Felix, I would love to see him in an anime spinoff or something, but I really don't like him and his design in 3D, he just doesn't fit in the storyline we got, but I'm totally for him in an anime 😍

[@neznam7008]

@@novadiscipulo5965 That's because he faked being jolly friendly as Cat Noir in the PV 😂. He needed to kiss Ladybug in order to remove the curse on his ring, but in PV he atleast tried to make Ladybug to fall in love with him instead of sexually harassing her in 3D, but I'm sure Felix would end up actually falling in love with Ladybug in PV

[@novadiscipulo5965]

@@neznam7008 do you think Felix gonna be a Dog Superhero am too confused? I thought Sabrina is gonna be a Dog Superhero.

[@neznam7008]

@@novadiscipulo5965 Honestly I doubt Felix is going to get any miraculous, and I'm pretty sure Sabrina will get the dog miraculous, there's so much evidence

[@tamaragiashvili1709]

Imagine how scared Plagg was during cat blanc and when queen wasp "wasped" everyone how scared the kwamis were when they all transformed

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Plagg being scared and Adrien hugging him. Yes!

[@ieatair14]

The show: *we will replace felix with Adrien so that Adrien and marinette can be together* Adrien: *mAriNetTe Is JuSt A fRieNd* Adrinette shippers: *gets akumatized* Reason: *JUST A FRIEND*

[@pravikasingh7320]

Do you like Among us I play ! ?

[@i_loveyou106]

*y e s*

[@blocky9158]

If I got akumatized, I would like to have a long stick please

[@madapakchit]

-Marinette-is-just-a-friend-

[@reyyyii]

Yess... Lol

[@Radhaun]

Ah, I hadn't seen it in the 2D style, now I'm kind of sad they went with 3D, the 2D is so stylized and nice looking! I definitely like Adrian more, but I feel like Felix might be a good match for Kagami.

[@Arya-ki5sc]

Radhaun KAGAMI isn’t that selfish she cares about some people

[@Radhaun]

@@Arya-ki5sc I never said kagami was selfish, I said I thought they'd be a good match. Like a couple that would be strong or good for each other.

[@justaracoonchillinginatoilet69]

Can you elaborate more on why you think kagami would be a good match for felix? I dont really see it. Felix is too cold, i dont think kagami would be interested in him at all

[@Radhaun]

@@justaracoonchillinginatoilet69 Felix is kind of cold, but only because he's so driven. Kagami has a similar drive. She's also very up front and steady, which I think would be good for Felix. She wouldn't let him get away with being an ass for no reason and he would be willing to defy her mother to make sure she had fun some times. I think Kagami could use someone who would stand up to her mother for her and Felix could use someone who wouldn't let him take things too far. They're also both very smart and cunning, which would make them an impressively dangerous power couple.

[@wintercactus7013]

Interesting...

[@serenitythesiren5031]

Theory: Maybe, Felix WAS Cat Noir in the show, but because he revealed his identity, it was taken from him, that could be why he doesn't like Adrien, because he is Felix's replacement.

[@Misschivous666]

bro....i think your onto something

[@jesonsastak2205]

But like... We would have known if there was another chat noir and ladybug...

[@JaeisJustJae]

That's pretty interesting ngl

[@scarfcouple]

THAT CHANGES *EVERYTHING* AND THE WAY OF HOW YOU SEE THE SHOW-

[@pratibhamalviya6282]

Dude that was literally my theory- you literally read my mind and you know what I am just going to keep believing that theory. And actually you know what it's actually Thomas's fault he just doesn't want to make a character deep

[@jish55]

Here's the thing, I get why, but at the same time, changing Adrian the way they did honestly hurt the character WAY more than helped. Seriously, Adrian throughout the series as essentially remained the same overall, being the same in episode 1 as he is in the most current episodes, to where he feels a lot more like a Gary Stu. With Felix, they could have had him start out jaded and apathetic, but slowly grow, having him slowly move past this persona to become more open and caring. Felix also works better as Cat Noir BECAUSE it would allow him to change from the apathetic character we know to a more energetic individual the moment he puts on the mask, allowing it to be a way for him to show his true self (which also works better when the home environment he's in, because sorry, but when children grow up with a distant parent, the child begins to show resentment and disdain because they feel unloved, so they in turn start to act out and mimic what they're shown).

[@jamesrian1578]

I agree completely with this. The character development could’ve been taken way further with Felix AND would feel more satisfying

[@IceQueen975]

All of this. In my opinion? Like for real? The writer didn't want to bother writing a complex character and dynamic because he's lazy. Seasons 1 and 2 the head writer wasn't very involved due to personal matters. He was much more involved with seasons 3 and 4... and the show quality has tanked. The issue is the head writer aka the creator. Which is ironic...

[@SakuraMoonflower]

But that signals to a problem with the writer, and Thomas has weak abilities at writing believable teenagers as human beings. The drama is fun, but at the end of the day, this is strictly a children's show and the romance takes a back seat. By Thomas' admittance, Felix was meant to be darker, harder, jaded - his motivations were darker. There's no way Marinette would have fallen for and remained in love with a cruel person. And since Thomas has made it clear he has trouble with emotionally aging his characters and allowing them to grow and change with their experiences, of course he lacked the writing ability to turn Felix and Marinette into an effective "enemies to lovers" trope, even though it works. Just like Adrien is basically still the same in season four as he was from the first episode, Felix would have remained as stagnant under Thomas' supervision. I think the change to Adrien was wise, considering the circumstances.

[@BPJD2004]

I love the old look for Cat Noir, with the tail, the hair and the slightly (maybe?) sadistic grin after his transformation.

[@maddiebargeron586]

Oh my gosh YES!

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Okay you people are nut jobs!

[@emmacroker5603]

Same. The grin after he transformed in anima 🥰🥰🥰

[@MythicallyUmbreon]

Now that S4 is out… We get to see more of the personalities of the Kwami’s. The Dog miraculous has the exact same attitude with Felix’s personality. Which I can now see him having the miraculous now.

[@idk-cd4ws]

But i heard someone say that sabrina will get the dog miraculous

[@tuenununiversoalternativo3666]

@@idk-cd4ws and I just read a comment saying that Felix is going to wear the dog miraculous

[@idk-cd4ws]

@@tuenununiversoalternativo3666 LMAO

[@basilico7737]

I think the writers hate Felix too much to give him a miraculous lol

[@hysteri]

@@tuenununiversoalternativo3666 💀 THIS!! THIS IS PERFECTION!!

[@inplane9970]

Pretty sure a huge reason as to why Felix was changed is because Thomas didn't want another Sasuke happening. The entire show's romantic dynamic would literally be Sasusaku. Sure it could've been handled well and frankly I would've loved to see a different spin on it, but I can see why it was a huge red flag of a tiresome trope.

[@femto7579]

They just traded out one trope for another and anyway a trope being used isn’t bad if you make it good.

[@renadaniels3843]

Just used the mind transfer jutsu on me lmaoo

[@Someone-le9wl]

Me being a naruto fan:i did not expect someone to make that refrence

[@sal7574]

Could you explain the 'Sasuke'?

[@niathebrave7729]

I mean their original relationship could of work, it's just that you gotta know how to right it, their nothing wrong having to characters that have different personalities fall for each other, it would of been interesting

[@annak7989]

I agree. After all opposites attract.

[@sirenia1241]

@@annak7989 Not really, there is an initial attraction, but it will strain the relationship and cause the couple to break up.

[@annak7989]

@@sirenia1241 Well, that is also true but if it is written well it could work and it could be interesting to see. And I don't think all long-lasting relationships are made of two people with the same personalities.

[@Shadow_404_]

If they kept it a arc where he tries to change for marionette would have been so good

[@maizongxiong5466]

I like the pv miraculous plot and the animation better. I think seeing felix not being interested in anyone but having to get a kiss by Ladybug due to his curse on his ring and probably slowly falling inlove with ladybug is just sm better then the plot we have in the cartoon. And Felix's character is just sm better and makes more sense. Felix lost his mother making him isolated from others and cold. And his cat noir design. Since felix is so neat youd never guess felix would be cat noir since of the differences. And marinette in the pv is just better because she's sm braver and stronger with her feelings

[@jodeemorgan2572]

( Sorry it's long ) I personally would like to see what would have happened if Felix stayed as Cat Noir because in this foil episode I think Felix would have realized that he can't keep pushing away people in his life that care about him, because he would see that Adrien ( being the foil ) is either the person he aspires to be, coming to life( who is able to cope with the loss)or how other people wish he would be. ( Adrien being the " better" version of Felix ) who is kind and caring even after going through such a loss. PS. I like Mari and Adrien, but I feel like the show has not really advanced their relationship at all, besides some teasers. Adrien is still obvious and Mari still hasn't confessed I feel like they're going to rush their relationship at the end because they haven't started advancing yet, and at this rate, it's going to take years if they chose to take the slow route. In my opinion, Felix and Mari would have brought some *spice* to the table even if they clashed, like opposites attract. and FInally, I think Felix would be a great *complex* hero character because he's blessed with a power he doesn't really want, but that he learns to love.

[@audreymoria5809]

I hereby dub thee the new writer of mlb. I agree with you completely

[@yallsomelamenigs]

I completely agree.. apart from the last sentence. In the first episode Marinette was blessed with a power she didn’t want, but learned to love, so it’s not necessary for that to happen with two characters. Though they did rush it with Marinette, so maybe they could make Marinette feel unsure of her abilities because she is clumsy and then realize she is capable. And Felix would slowly understand how much he wants to save Paris. So I like your idea but they would just have to change Marinette a little.

[@selectedshipper8282]

*S P I C E*

[@inessuinaga3343]

I totally agree, the show would be been so much more interesting and there would’ve been character development, and actual flavour.

[@potatochips1953]

Exactly

[@Michelle-zw8qi]

I like ur theory of Felix being the owner of the dog miraculous bc Thomas Astruc did say that we would see more or Felix in season 4 and maybe he might find out who chat noir is

[@wintercactus7013]

I think Sabrina is a better fit for the 🐕 miraculous because of her loyalty.

[@bmb4rllyxcgsss837]

@@wintercactus7013 I agree and somehow her having the dog miraculous is kinda hinted in the show and as for Felix, if he's going to wield a miraculous it would a different one we don't know yet.

[@wintercactus7013]

@@bmb4rllyxcgsss837 Any ideas of which one you think it is? Maybe one day he steals Adrien's ring and transforms with it after Plagg 🐈 "reminds" him how to use it, thinking he is Adrien.

[@1MZZZ]

Ikr

[@1MZZZ]

@@wintercactus7013 true everyone keeps saying sabri should be the dog miraculous holder

[@kajuanweaver1607]

You really predicted Felix with the Dog miraculous, that’s awesome!

[@safilan8643]

As much as I like Adrien I would prefer Felix to be Chat Noir for multiple reasons. It would all of course also depend on execution but the way Adrien was executed as part of the story and how everything interesting about him gets explored very off-handedly or not at all makes me think Felix couldn't have been much worse. Most of my reasons are more story oriented then character oriented. 1. His civillian and superhero personalities are complete opposites. In the canon show they go for more of the two leads very noticably being the same person with the same personality, just more confident but I think that a more drastic change would be more interesting and it would show even more so then in canon show that the boy becomes freeer when he puts on a mask and in this case it would also imply his cold exterior may be an act or a defense mechanism or is conditional and that gives so much potential for character depth. The most noticable difference between Adrien and Chat Noir is Cat making puns and flirting which works but I prefer the formerly mentioned possibility. 2. The bad luck curse gives the usege of the miraculous some actual consequenses and ones that aren't bullshit and break the magic system's logic (although for that I would have to assume Marrinette has passive good luck, so again, the execution). In canon everything just seems too convenient and cosy when it comes to magic until the plot demands otherwise. The characters' superhero lives or elements of it having effect, especially negative effect, on their everyday life gives the downsides to the job which can create internal conflict, sympathy from the audience, struggles and emotional impact but most importantly it would cause the school and everyday segments not to be boring slice of life stories. I don't watch a superhero show for the normie school drama. Slice of life elements only matter to me if I already give a shit about the characters; they aren't what makes me like the character. Them doing and feeling and thinking about interesting stuff does. Or alternatively if the civillian and superhero matters are intertwined in a way which makes the hero stuff be the point and not an excuse to explore a bajilion side characters and their boring lives which will impact nothing in the long run. Also I just really love characters using powers in their everyday life. Marinette creating a vinyl using Lucky Charm to sabotage Chloe is something I would want to see more of even though I know I never will. 3. The story potential. The writers would probably bend over backwards to showcase as little of it as possible seeing how it is in filler infested canon but I can dream. Felix being conflicted between the freedom Chat gives him and freedom from the curse, the conflicts between him and Marinette due to different viewpoints and later due to his plan to woo Ladybug to get rid of the ring getting out, Felix truly falling in love over time (instead of in the first episode despite later episodes not being used to develop the relationship) and realising that if he stops being Chat he won't be able to see Ladybug anymore, Ladybug sympathising with him when it comes to him being forced into being a hero but still hurt and knowing Paris needs Chat so finding herself asking "Is it right to force someone to save a city?". This is the conflict I prefer. The kind that is related to the main plotthreads, has a lasting effect on the characters and their relationship and their happiness. 4. Asshole characters are just more entertaining to watch and less prone to plotholes. In my opinion the original concept for Felix wasn't as shitty of a person as Astruc seems to think since a) he got roped into the hero thing where he risks his life on a regular basis. One kiss under false pretences doesn't seem like that heavy of a moral price to pay to get out of this; It is a kind of a digression but a character that does bad things for understandable reasons wins over a character that is poorly motivated and/or never does anything impactfully shitty, b) Marinette is a creepy stalker and annoying too. It makes perfect sense he would give her a cold shoulder. She does the same to Chat as Ladybug anyway. This situation makes Marinette's main flaw seem like an intentional part of the story as oppossed to a writting copout. And this way each of the characters is in a perfect position to learn something because the other will call them out on their bullshit or at least express their distaste. This version of the story avoids a lot of questionable writting. I have a motto when it comes to writing "Do not try to make your character virtuous. You will not succeed". Characters making shitty choices happens in stories all the time, often to create very specific circumstances. While it can be achieved withough resorting to ruining good characters' moral or intellectual integrity not many writers are good enough at what they're doing to accomplish that. But if a character is canonicaly an asshole you can explain certain choices with that without giving them the idiot ball or making them more ashollish for just one scene. Besides, disconnect between what the writer sees as morally correct and what at least a part of the audience sees as such always exists. And having no potential flaw being lampshaded as potentially scummy, let's say having no character call the other out even if it would make sense to do that feels preachy and in the worst case scenerio as if reality was being warped to fit the author's opinion. Can you tell I am talking about the "Marinette's expresions of her crush are just an exagerration" thing? Having a character be wrong by design helps remedy that or at least hide it. And it also make severything more interesting and less stagnant. Imagine the heroes who let go of some ethics even if in a small way breaking in the houses of suspects and trying to find evidence for them being or not being Hawkmoth. Sounds more fun than just them waiting for the Akuma attack and expecting the mystery to solve itself and the Hawkmoth problem to also solve itself when Gabriel rarely comes to them and they never come to him, doesn't it? Going back to Felix himself, him not being upfront about what he wants the kiss for seems illogical if it is a matter of the powers cancelling each other out (although there are possible explainations; we know very little of PV magic mechanics) and coupled with true love's kiss actually working in canon I'm leaning towards the idea it was supposed to be like that in the original concept too as much as I hate it. That would mean for it to work Felix's feelings can't be a scam. Which means him actually decieving ladybug is very questionable unless he both doesn't realise his feelings and misunderstands how the kiss works so he'd be more like a flawed good person rather then a piece of shit people didn't like him for being. 5. A lot of the creators reasons for replacing him are bullshit. Most of my afomentioned reasons stem from my personal tastes and simply liking Felix more than Adrien and because of that I see them as secondary to this one. Since replacing him isn't a bad idea on principle but it can very well be if done due to for example bad priorities which I personaly believe is the case here. I already explained why him being too morally corrupt is something I don't believe but their reasoning I think was that he'd be a bad role model for children which is as bullshit as saying a show would be bad if it doesn't teach lessons. Cartoons shouldn't be used to moralise children but to be entertaining and interesting. Deeper that a sploch of water if you want to, as in if that's the authorial intent. I hate it when that's the mindset creators have. Gets in the way of fun. Also it connects with marketing reasons which are understandable but still irritating. Also Marinette is a shitty rolemodel. In addition, their solution to Felix being an Anime cliche was to replace him with a western cliche. You know, a child that comes from a rich family but feels unhappy and controlled, that just wants to be like other kids and has neglectful parent(s)/parent(s) that is/are just busy with work to give their ungrateful ass the best life they could possibly have but they're totally in the wrong. Oh and the parent(s) may also be assholes either in addition to the previous line or instead of it. Ring any bells? Tropes aren't bad and the one they're afraid of is only overdone in shoujo manga meaning it would be less recognizable and more originally used in the west. Also, canon Marinette acts shoujo manga protag as fuck. 6. I'm bitter we didn't get 2D, Anime-like, teenager-targeted Miraculous and liking Felix is both one of the causes and a symptom of that. That's it for that point. Actually, give Chat Noir real cat ears you cowards. It doesn't make sense Adrien's fake ones work like real ones anyway. Phew... that was a wall of text. Didn't expect it to grow this big. I have a tendency for overwrit... aaaand I'm doing it again.

[@Bella15215]

Couldn't 👏 agree 👏 more 👏

[@shiroanimations7512]

Selim Sultan Akbar Sorry, that wasn’t on purpose.

[@shiroanimations7512]

Wow, that’s a long comment but I mostly agree. Personally a character that’s not as perfect and nice as Adrien is far more interesting and relatable, because real life humans are imperfect and sometimes selfish. Besides it also leaves him more room to grow over these struggles and can provide kids that are watching important lessons as well as giving the character more depth in which they could for example explore why he behaves that way. Together (Marinette and Felix) could try to help each other out, giving the possibility for them to actually grow a convincing chemistry, because they may be more alike than they think. That means Marinette would also develop more than a crush for Felix but actually realize that he has his pwn problems to, maybe hating him in some arch of the story and then eventually getting closer to him. Neither Marinette nor Adrien appeal to me, whereas the characters from the teaser look way more promising, design and behavior wise.

[@aribahossain6234]

*clap clap

[@asmajalis]

Safilan I couldn’t agree more. Also, I feel that Marionette wouldn’t be a stalker if it was Felix instead. If she knows the guy is quite cold to others, she would probably just try to get closer to him by talking and interacting rather then stalk him because she would want to break the cold wall he built around himself. That’s what I saw in the Marionette(or Brigette if you prefer) in the 2D trailer, and I liked how she just went up to him and confessed instead of being shy and walking away. Plus, I’m also salty about the show not being in 2D! I would have loved it, it seems so much cooler!

[@koimev1_sv]

“I needed a love interest for Marinette” Adrien: *She’s Just Friend :)*

[@Tonyaya133]

Sometimes I wish miraculous had become an anime mostly because Marinette’s design in it was so cute...

[@CrimsonShadowVA]

Gabriel is the worst and you can quote me on that

[@michalelkin-bronner13]

felix is the wrost and so is lila

[@bmb4rllyxcgsss837]

After Chat Blanc? Oh yes he is. Some may argue that it's because Chat Blanc was an alternate timeline or universe but it kinda shows how he was going to react if he finds out Adrien is Chat Noir. All my sympathy for him just got lost after that episode.

[@jamssy3409]

@@bmb4rllyxcgsss837 to be fair, Chat Blanc was kinda rushed

[@resqxe_1422]

Manipulating and using his child's stress and sorrow? Yes.

[@michalelkin-bronner13]

@@bmb4rllyxcgsss837 it might just be what could happen

[@ioana_celia]

In the 2D pv show, Matinette's name was Bridgette. Bridgette and Felix-Marinette and Adrien

[@Dracokitten2]

Thomas Astruc actually said that Bridgette never existed. It was always Marinette and Bridgette is just a fan made name. I can only assume it's because fans wanted a world where PV Felix was the co-star, but Adrien had already become Chat Noir for Marinette and so they gave Felix his own heroine. Also, Marinette from the PV seems pretty different from the Marinette we ended up with so a different name feels somewhat correct anyway.

[@rewriter3981]

Nope it's a fanname people made for pv marinette bridgette never existed and will never existed it's always been marinette/marinetta thomas confirmed it a while ago on Twitter

[@NoName-dx1no]

Bridgette was actually a fan made name to differentiate the current Marinette and the original 2D Marinette, it’s kinda annoying to say 2D marinette and stuff so it’s fair enough lol. But yeah Marinette’s name has always been Marinette

[@iampheebs112]

Funfact her Name was Marinette Cheng since she never had a Father in the Pv

[@aureaahmed2749]

She was always Marinette, Bridgette is just a fanmade name

[@fireworksforme2]

Adrien is cool and all, but with Felix you can clearly see his character depth and emotional growth from episode to episode. For example, in one episode, he was mean, and then they stopped him, and he was no longer mean. There are many examples like this. Like when he turned mean again. Man, I wish he had stayed Cat Noir. 😽

[@ell1023]

He wasn’t mean tho, more reserved or cold and quiet

[@gsd7947]

I think they didn't put enough of an effort with Felix honestly. I like the idea of having a darker character, and instead of him brushing her off, he could have easily used charisma to win her affections because if I'm correct, the reason he flirted with ladybug was because him owning plagg was a curse and not something given to him. They could have had an episode in where maybe there was a disaster leaving him and Mari unable to change, and maybe he could have revealed him being upset about this curse without saying who he is. I simply like darker toned shows, so I am just a bit disappointed because to me, it seems an effort to make him work wasn't made.

[@miss_chelles1338]

I agree

[@cartooncottage2024]

9:10 They don't exactly have the same name. Felix's mom is named Amelie, and Adrien's mom is named Emilie. Close enough, but not exactly the same.

[@creamcritters2532]

Confetti x they are twins not sisters that’s why there names are so similar

[@BlueBlazeKing]

She said basically the same name. Key difference

[@Lit_NightSky]

@@callmesummon I have a twin sister and our names are quite similar. Mine is Selin while hers is Pelin. This isn't unheard of, in fact it's common to give twins compatible names.

[@sabonnzm7193]

Homophones

[@cherry_7745]

@@sabonnzm7193 Wait what?

[@sesshalv]

watching the season finale of season 4 and hearing her say she thinks felix will help him stand up to his dad and that he will get the dog miraculous is really funny to hear because that’s exactly what happened 😂

[@Ether101_Prime]

The more I find out about the production, the more it sounds like they've been winging more then I would like. What happened with Chloe between progressing and keeping the statuesque. Anyways, anyone see GI Joe Renegades?

[@E32329]

i always thought that anime felix was a mean version of adrien-

[@littlesparrow303]

He is but Adrien & Felix are different people

[@lilj362]

Not necessarily mean, but he was going to be portrayed as a tsundere

[@adaneakot9403]

Honestly I really think Adria is TOO perfect like his mom is dead abusive father who never pays attention to him rarely ever allowed to be with any friends only CHLOE is allowed with him and forced to be perfect 24/7 and has obsessed fans. It would make a LOT of sense if he acted as Adrian in public but was Felix by himself. Y’all can’t tell me u would be nice if u went thru all that trauma

[@Dracokitten2]

TRUE!! That's why I felt like the original Felix from the PV would've been great! To be fair it would still be following the cliche brooding boy meets gentle or cheerful girl trope, but it also feels more realistic. And being Chat Noir and being able to run around and feel a sensse of freedom would definitely have put that huge grin on his face. And then going back to reality, of course he'd be annoyed and jaded

[@DororoXPenana]

@@Dracokitten2 if written properly for the original PV. Maybe Marinette only fell for Felix because she found him physically attractive and nothing more, hence why he rejects her affections. Which could have mirrored him as Cat Noir just wanting Ladybug for a kiss to get rid of his bad luck miraculous. It would have been so cool to see them grow from their beginning selfish wants and slowly form true feelings for the other by learning who they really were as individuals. I'd love to have characters who grow and learn from their past mistakes and become better people by the end of the series.

[@lindsayjones755]

So true

[@myk1137]

His mom is in coma,not dead!

[@myk1137]

About the last part,since I'm actually a bad-tempered person,I wouldn't care about my identity and simply cataclysm Gabriel and the whole mansion out of anger.(My wild and reckless side intensified.Normally,I'm quite a bit like the Felix in the 2d version.)

[@Name-d2t]

I love both Adrien and Felix and I think it would be interesting to see the latter as main character, but now I just hope they'll develop him in the show

[@_GachaxKing_]

There is a fan made PV umbrella scene where Felix does show compassion towards marinette showing that he does have a heart and just doesn’t like to show it. if the PV were what we had today they very easily could have gone down this path, kinda like a redemption arc? Idk but I do think this could work if they decided to go with it.

[@snowdragontea7704]

"i could even see felix becoming the holder for the dog miraculous!" that aged like some camembert cheese... lol...

[@andreasarian5284]

"ooh Adrien what it with the giiirrrlllsss. At least you don't have this problem with cheeessseee" I love plagg

[@sissa8216]

Plagg swagg

[@heeya1943]

another example i think of how felix is a foil character to adrien, is in the scene in the episode "felix" where felix is talking to lady bug as adrien and he tries to come onto lady bug even after she says no. it's the way that lady bug knows immediately it's not adrien even though they look and sound exactly alike. it pushes the idea that adrien is respectful, forgiving and kind, since felix's actions are clearly something adrien would never do .

[@Maplie]

8:28 oh this line aged like a fine wine

[@lylajean100]

What annoyed me was that Thomas said Felix would never appear on the show, so fans shouldn’t get their hopes up and he seemed annoyed with people asking. But then the description for an upcoming episode called “Felix” came out of nowhere. Also there were so many fanfictions about Felix being Adrien’s cousin before it was confirmed, so there’s a good chance the writers saw those and wanted to put it in the show, changing their minds about Felix.

[@canalfelixiano9411]

I'd just like to understand how Felix being rude and "using" Ladybug is darker than a grown adult storing an unconscious grown adult in a freaking basement and talking to her-

[@secretlove9356]

I personally preferred Felix's character over Adrian so when it changed I was a bit disappointed. Felix seemed to be a better match for Mari, maybe just a bit too cold-hearted but have a sweet spot? Adrian was more like umm kid not so adult-like?

[@xkallikoi]

I think felix would've have so much more potential being an interesting character for the 2nd main character because I have a huge idea in my head if felix was the 2nd main, tbh miraculous is an overall good show but,I think that miraculous is still a goose chase due to adrian's clueless behavior with marinette.

[@Dracokitten2]

It truly is a wild goose chase that feels like it will never end. Been watching since season 1... Feels like forever lmao

[@zionhodge4042]

I just wanna give adrien a hug :(

[@DarkShadow-hy6iq]

When you realize the whole original plan could've just been fixed if they knew what "character development" was

[@MomoKanjaki]

lol yeah they went for the bland route where they don't have to develop anyone. We really didn't get og Felix basically because they didn't know how to write a dark complex character for a kids show. 💀 -(Zuko would like to say hello)-

[@DarkShadow-hy6iq]

@@MomoKanjaki lazy writing lmao

[@MomoKanjaki]

@@DarkShadow-hy6iq yup 😂

[@RKthe-ls6og]

​@@MomoKanjaki Or the anime just couldn't be for kids, like, it could be +14 and someway would attract a lot of audiences (?)

[@sweetsoul3169]

I prefer the anime I would have loved to watch all the episodes than to see a kids show. I dont agree with some of the things you said like there is no chemistry between marinette and felix. The 3d one is more for children. The anime could have so much potential

[@kaixoria]

Ikr 🧍🏾‍♀️

[@haileyparsons3844]

Actually Miraculous Ladybug (the 3D one) was supposed to be much darker and the target audience was going to be teenagers. However it wasn’t successful and they changed it

[@sealchann1]

its for everyone...

[@eclipse0818]

What's wrong with that? I'm a kid and I'm glad i could watch it and ship characters if it was in anime i would just say KISS KISS KISS KISS and I'm not allowed to look at kiss scenes

[@izumi1630]

@@eclipse0818 if you’re not allowed to look at kiss scenes then you’re young. Then you’re too young to even think of shipping people-

[@deviantgazer4626]

Honestly I love miraculous. But I'm not exactly sure what direction it's going to go in. The ending of season 3 definitely leaves a lot of open ended questions that we might not get an answer to for a long time.

[@cri6129]

Adrienette will happen, but they’ll probably make it long and confusing. The end def had me confused, but then the ny special made me more confused. I want them to find out already. It’s been 6 years for us and too many rejections for them.

[@adelynmartinez9514]

The answers r coming in April there releasing season 2 and the Shanghai speacial

[@_AstaLily]

You literally just predicted the Season Four finale. :D

[@negainokoneko7762]

THE UMBRELLA SCENE IS STILL 😍😍

[@negainokoneko7762]

@@shesjustafriend2499 yes

[@scoutscoodles]

Bringing Beta Adrian back as an entirely different character, that is very interesting.

[@appl3c1d3r]

Ok in my personal opinion, though i do like adrien, felix would have been a more interesting character with a lot of scope for development. I dont think he necessarily falls into the trope of bad boys, but rather a more stoic lead into books and somewhat socially withdrawn. And that would have made his transition to cat noir, where he can be completely care free and the opposite of his own self that much more interesting to watch, I mean, seeing him so free and alive and howl when he's cat noir is freaking awesome. Also, watching felix grow as a character would've been fun. I like adrien and marinette but as characters, I feel felix's journey and his transitions to cat noir would've been very fun to see. And to also have him be more selfish and apathetic as a hero and then warm and grow, it could've had a lot more potential. Taking a trope of selfish, cold lead and experimenting with it by having him turn into cat noir. And to also add, marinette being more of a good hero and cat noir being more selfish, the contrast dudessss damn that would've been cool, to see these polar opposite heroes team up and grow.

[@theartoonnerdologist411]

Felix is supposed to return next season according to fan wikia

[@aali017]

this aged perfeclty im kind of scared..

[@queerslovebts]

Felix also has a ring like Adrien, maybe that ring and rings Gabriel has make some connection (?) plus I would love to see Felix instead of Adrien because his personality is much more realistic, mysterious and interesting (best traits for a power of destruction). The love square would also be more interesting (funny too ig?) with Felix's cold attitude (Bridgette was also more confident than Marinette). The show would have blown up with the original storyline!

[@LeilaaaSTAA]

Honestly, I'm happy they changed the character for chat noir. I love Adrien, he's just so sweet, adorable and compassionate. As well as this, Marinette and Adrien are just so cute together, their personalities match and they can grow together as people. However I feel like I still want to see more of a character like Felix, its quite interesting and he like a polar opposite of Adrien.

[@diegomacias5872]

“Making him a dog would certainly be the way to go from a literary perspective.” I do wonder what you thought when he became Flairmidable 😂😂😂

[@giizuru4962]

wow you were right, felix did end up getting a hold of the dog miraculous in the last ep of season 3 but it didn’t end so well

[@jedyoung767]

3:15 I think the fans beg to differ, especially since there are some fanfics featuring some versions of Felix. Versions without the surname Agreste or Graham de Vanily.

[@gracelebron3536]

*The show creators*: "We have to change the characters because they won't be romantically compatible" *Fans*: * proceed to create fan fiction about said characters dating*

[@jajathenewking6131]

Spoilers: 8:28 "I can even see Felix becoming the chosen for bark the dog miraculous" I can't believe that actually happened in the show.

[@miss_chelles1338]

Omg- yeah 💀😂

[@sofixlee]

I've always wondered this and does mari have a cousin too? 😂

[@novadiscipulo5965]

Cousin or twin sister. I wish Thomas would add that too. 😔🙁

[@mariofelina318]

Sadly bridgette will not come back

[@IAmYou5517]

Not everyone can have a cousin though.

[@littlesparrow303]

@@mariofelina318 Bridgette was never a character that was a fan name that the fans created. That was Marinettes old design from the start. Thomas confirmed it himself

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Oh ye... Bridgette... Where's that old.ladybug girl?

[@peytonlionheart]

Idk man, maybe were looking at the "Hawkmoth of the future"

[@mollyyarker8171]

lila is also a good contender for "future hawkmoth"

[@ashley2475]

@@mollyyarker8171 lila is definitely going to be the new hawk moth. she would be super quick to betray gabriel if she finds out his identity.

[@rania1408]

this is also my theory!

[@fanyloo9859]

I feel like felix or lila of the future of hawkmonth

[@anna4.44]

@@ashley2475 I think she might know already; In the few episodes where she meets up with Gabriel she does him favors and such. Or she doesn’t know, and thinks she’s just working for 2 different men. Who knows lol

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

This was 2 years ago, before the release of season 4, where we learned that Gabriel truly can't tell them apart when they pretend to be each other.

[@justlooteverything4297]

"I like lady bug more than marinette. I love adrien more than cat noir", MLB's logic

[@Pixelflare03]

Felix did get the dog miraculous, but he immediately used it to betray ladybug and get the peacock miraculous. I'd like to see how this foil continues as Felix becomes more of an anti-hero in future episodes of season 5.

[@nayclivl]

honeslty might make a wattpad story of like what the plot would have been for the 2d version. make up my own story and even maybe make them love eachother who knows lmfao

[@ameliavasquez1104]

👀👀

[@helen__445]

YESSS! That would be sooo cool

[@ed3nhaz4rdous]

Yes! More miraculous content we ✨stan✨

[@micahtiel]

Yes, please!!! So hyped for the NY special, I have a really good feeling about it!

[@kokomimi277]

@@micahtiel I watched it today, it was really good!!

[@micahtiel]

@@kokomimi277 Me too! Glad I wasn't wrong, it surpassed all my expectations! All cons aside, the Ladynoir and Adrienette arcs and moments were very well done! Hope she makes a vid on it.

[@mikibt990]

@@kokomimi277 where did you watch the episode I need to see it

[@macygrace9534]

'I could see Felix with the Dog miraculous' This aged poorly

[@CheeseyWitch]

It's funny that you were technically right about the dog thing, but probably didn't turn out the way you expected, huh?

[@ai_gunmanwolf3374]

Saying that Felix was replaced eith Adrien's character because his characteristic isn't compatible with Mari and their personality clash. Yet anime's logic in love chemistry, (also on wattpad love chemistry) is totally like that. Actually it would make each of the character's design would shine as it contrast of each other. Also would make such great humor if they are in their Felix X Marinette (or Bridgette) love chemistry. Of how open and energetic Mari is, Felix would have this Tsundere energy that would also add color to their story. Just seeing Mari fumbling and stuttering whenever she is with Adrien, all I feel is second-hand embarrassment. But though, I still love their chemistry (Adrienette), though, just thinking a relationship between a socially reserved and an open person would come to life through this show maybe would be epic

[@kensken8842]

I think they have made the right decision with not having a toxic male lead. And good thing they didn't go the Wattpad way. Everything could have been a lot better, deeper. But for what they have, it's refreshing to see a non-toxic male lead.

[@randompineapple]

honestly i think felix will be the hawkmoth of the future we heard of in time tagger

[@randompineapple]

that’s a possibility too but i feel like gabe would be more likely to keep it in the family unless he wants to get rid of it and never deal with it again

[@seifsayed4062]

Maybe felix will be the Hawkmoth of the future and Lila will be the new Mayura

[@farzanaimtiaz4006]

Yeah but I think lila is going to be hakhmoth I mean what will felix want being hakhmoth and lila got a reason she hates Ladybug and mari she hate everyone she loves it when someone gets akumatized plus she wants adrien

[@calypsq]

Everyone says it’s gonna be lila but I feel like the show creators will decide to surprise us!

[@lerosedrop]

Actually, now after the Episode Gabriel Agreste, Felix I think got some great treatment as one of the most intelligent and mysterious characters.

[@katebarton1018]

I personally would have also really enjoyed PV Felix as chat noir but I think he's better suited for the darker show they had originally been planning, (also then it would be simpler with the only ship being ladynoir and not the love square with two idiots we have now). I think it was the right decision to put Adrien into the cartoon

[@Dracokitten2]

I agree for a cartoon. Would still love to see the original darker anime style though

[@kumaravelumadhavapillai8803]

I am glad that Felix is replaced with Adrien but I would still want him back in season 4 with a much bigger role villain role.

[@MegaLpso]

Man it really pisses me off too hear the creator say without any shame that "oh we needed a love interest for the main character" when having a love interest isn't a must have at all. and there personality's STILL don't clash! even though that was the whole point in the first place.

[@cycoekiller119]

I think Felix was pretty cliché, but they definitely could have improved him without changing his personality completely. I dont know if its because of their target audience being younger audiences and the setting being in a high school, but Felix as he was would be much more difficult to fit in as the creators mentioned. However, I'd say Felix in The Miraculous Office AU is an example of how he can work very well :) (In this case, the whole show's premise would have to change AHHAHA)