What Happened to the Greek Settlers in Ancient India and Pakistan?

[@WGerardPoolePhD]

To everyone screaming about there not being an "India" before the British- that is a red herring discussion. Of course there wasn't, the nation state was a Western European innovation. There was no "Greece" either. But there was most definitely a "Hellenistic" culture that was recognized by all people who knew them, and there was most definitely a "Hindu", or Indus, culture that was equally recognizable. There was no "Mongolia" but no one doubted there were Mongols. People were referred to by their shared culture, not our modern concept of a nation state.

[@porus3064]

Yes, I agree. There was no nation-state but there was most definitely a common identity.

[@leaveme3559]

Agreed

[@srdjanbasaric517]

Ooooo,yes,there was "Helenistic"culture,Englishmans made it for them. They first liberated them from Turks, find them German king and at last made them cultural.

[@Greekdudea1a]

Greeks didn't need the English to "create" a culture for us, hahaha, our culture is much, much older than that of the English. There was never a period in 4,000 years when the Greek language wasn't spoken in the region of the southern Balkans. Our civilization changed Europe and the world. From the Greek speaking Minoans, Ionians, Byzantines to the modern Greeks, we have the names, language and live in the same geographic area. Even in the Ottoman Empire the Greek people had a head of State in the person of the Ecumenical Patriarch and Greek was the language of the Orthodox Church. In 1821 Greece was the first nation to gain independence from the Ottomans. and of course the official language was Greek. So, what CULTURE did the English create for us? Ancient Greece: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece#/media/File:Map_of_Archaic_Greece_(English).jpg upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Byzantine_Greece_ca_900_AD.svg www.britannica.com/topic/Greek-language/The-middle-phases-Koine-and-Byzantine-Greek#ref603499

[@NewarkBay357]

Incorrect. Philip of Macedonia united Greece.

[@minigrande1939]

I have travelled the Hindu kush and Imagined Alexander walking across with his army, siege weapons, farm animals, families its mind blowing. You cannot imagine what the hymylayas are like until yours eyes have layed upon them photos do no justice

[@striker91]

What are they like? Describe them

[@adhrit1426]

Hindu Kush is not Himalayas tbh. I live in the Himalayas and have done many treks Himalayas are a different world altogether. You'll automatically become spiritual when you'll see the grandeur of the mountains and how easy it is to die here.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

@@adhrit1426 hindu kush is where hindus were killed So u might feel pessimistic

[@touqeerahmed3420]

@@michaeljosephjackson2364 they were not killed they died while crossing the mountain passes when they were taken as prisoners due to extreme cold

[@lex6794]

Did you imagine the Greeks and Alexander being defeated in India as they packed up and left? Did you also imagine Alexander being wounded in India which led to his death?

[@Stefanoitch]

ancient Macedonia is not located in modern Macedonia . It is still a province in northern Greece

[@yiorgosr2]

Plus what it's on the map he shows here is currently the Greek one

[@ΑλξΠλ]

Macedonia not only is greek but in our language it also means something....

[@georgesparta5777]

Hussein313 northern Macedonia is made up of Slavs and Albanians. Proper Macedonia is a province in Greece were the true Greek Macedonia’s reside. North Macedonia are imposters who arrived 1300 years after Alexander the Great . Ancient Macedonians spoke Greek and considered themselves Greek

[@Panos1980s]

@@asani9835 Yes Hussein. But again it is very wrong that the goverment of Greece accepted this name. People in this country called north Macedonia are South Slavic people and their language belong in the Slavic family of languages. They have no relation to the ancient Macedonians who were Greek and spoke the Maceedonian dialect ofbthe Greek language which is 100% Greek. Their names, their religion and gods, their traditions and all the scriptures upon marbles are all Greek.

[@Panos1980s]

@@asani9835 But still the people of North Macedonia want to believe they are the true Macedonians and that the ancient Macedonians were not Greek. But Alexander and his army spread the Greek civilization and language throughout all the countries they conquered. All civilizations know him as Greek

[@abhishekdev258]

Greeks were there in Bactria even before Alexander. Persian Kings used to throw rebellious Greeks (from population within his kingdom) there. It was like am ancient Gulag.

[@xipo3532]

And Alexander liberated his fellow countrymen. Well said my friend

[@AereForst]

Very true

[@AK-dd9od]

Why would Aryan Kings of Persia want Greek "dagoes" living in Bactria? Seems highly unlikely.

[@violetka1197]

all balcan was ilirian albanain ..till 1920 athens has spoken albanian..........all greece albanian..university of athens.........www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr4iAv-

[@benc640]

Correct. I remember reading something about Alexander being surprised on discovering Greek settlements in Bactria and Central Asia. Interesting stuff.

[@syedafzaalalishah3835]

I am from Northwest Pakistan, Oldest man made structure in my town is Indo-Greek Architecture (Probably Bactrian Culture)

[@theluppo5450]

Chitrali?

[@thegreekchad5066]

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[@syedafzaalalishah3835]

@@thegreekchad5066 can you provide me with your instagram etc? I have smth fascinating to show

[@thegodofthegods1084]

There are still Greek style structures all the way down to northern Punjab.

[@Zrs3820]

@@thegreekchad5066 Much love from 🇵🇰. Indeed we will!

[@SapiensIndica]

I am from India, Punjab region from my paternal side (A bit of ancestors also from Pakistan before division) and my dad used to tell me about these tales of Indo-European settlers mixing within our ancient civilization. He used to tell me about these stories even before any such studies were widely popular or available to the masses. Today I remember it all, which makes me feel that we should respect our elders and cherish the things they have to say, there is a lot of truth in their stories, my dad mostly have heard it from his ancestors which kept on passing it as word to mouth through generations. I wouldn't say the features are prominent as due to dilution of genes but yes familial passing of traits such as green eyes and fair skin is quiet evident throughout. Fair skin which ideally isn't a favorable trait in a sun swept terrain could be a product of such ethnic mixing.

[@tj5630]

Nope, Indians Pakistanis have a gene that mutuates making skin fair and eyes coloured in the same family, it was find out by scientific study and not by ethnic mixing.

[@tj5630]

Nope, Indians Pakistanis have a gene that mutates making skin fair and eyes coloured in the same family, it was find out by scientific study and not by ethnic mixing.

[@tj5630]

Nope, Indians Pakistanis have a gene that mutates making skin fair and eyes coloured in the same family, it was find out by scientific study and not by ethnic mixing.

[@alinaqirizvi1441]

Fair skin isn't that bad at the latitude of North India

[@susanna9831]

Fair skin and light eyes doesn't prove anything. DNA studies even of the fairest people in South Asia, which is the Kalash people, show they are locals to the area and don't have Greek ancestry. Besides Greeks are not exactly world renowned for having light features.

[@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse]

The error in this video is that the ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia is located exactly in northern Greece, in Greece's northern territory of Macedonia and NOT in the modern country called the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) which was named Macedonia in 1944 for political reasons. FYROM was in fact Ancient Paeonia but was never Macedonia. Although Paeonia was conquered by the northern Greek Macedonians under Philip, Paeonia became a dependency of Macedonia for a short time, (as was the area of Bulgaria (ancient Thrace)), but it was never Macedonia. Today FYROM is inhabited by a medieval Slavic people related to the Bulgarians.

[@srdjanbasaric517]

Now,you made Gordian knot. What is ancient Greek Kingdom? You made funny mixature,even Bulgarians are here. In time of Paeonia there was not Greek Macedonians under Filip,Filip subjukate only Athens city. If you dont understand something read Demosten s Filipikas then you maybe understand what origin is Filip,after dhat and Alexandar Macedonian.

[@srdjanbasaric517]

@Lord Shrenny My Lord,you must be geneius. I heavyly undersud Serbian from 18 century,from 12 century recognise every 10th word. You have too many words for same thing,it means you are still in developing.

[@astrapi4343]

@@srdjanbasaric517 Philip was from Peloponnese and his wife from Epirus 100% Greeks they were speaking Greek and they believed to the twelve gods what else stupid you want to be Greek ? they did not speak Slavic language.... no mater what you say you never will be Macedonian or the descendant of Alexander the Great ....... 🤪

[@AK-dd9od]

There are actually a lot more errors in the video, and it's quite remarkable that such errors are perpetuated in the 21st century. Greeks are generally coarse-featured, fleshy-nosed, swarthy "dagoes" (as Trump would likely call them). The light-skinned, dolichocephalic, pointy-nosed, "light-colored" people seen in "Punjab" (as claimed by the video-maker), and elsewhere are largely the result of the Aryan heritage of the people (that preceded Alexander by a number of millennia), but also including more recent Aryan migrations from Afghanistan/Northern Pakistan. Such traits are common among their Kurdish, Persian, Pashtun, Tajik, Kashmiri, etc. brethren. Genetic studies have already been done, and no evidence of a Greek origin for Y-chromosomes was found for those in the northern regions. Additionally, Alexander's army was defeated by the "Paktues" (Pakhtun tribesmen) of the "Af-Pak" region, whom the ancient Greek historian Herodotus described as the bravest and "most war-like" of peoples. Alexander's broken army was driven out after 2 and a half years of desultory warfare against the Afghans. Alexander had to kill a number of his own men, who mutinied as a result of their demoralization and likely PTSD (near the Beas river in Northern India), after their defeat by "Paktuike". The Bactrian Kingdom was based primarily in Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc, generally north of Afghanistan. While the Indo-Greek realm was based south of Afghanistan in Northern India. Between these were the independent Pakhtun tribes who had broken Alexander's army. The map that the "documentary"-maker employed to show these kingdoms as "contiguous" is quite false.

[@willtherealgeorgemichaelpl5879]

@@AK-dd9od Alexander never lost a battle! What the fuck are you talking about?

[@panosvolos79]

Aristotle was teacher of Alexander the great not Vladimir, there isn't a modern Macedonian state, there is only Greek Macedonia.

[@alwaysplay13]

Whys it matter...alexander preffered other cultures anyways guys

[@MrShkodrani1980]

Yah yah, everything its Greek.even Jesus was Greek.they stole from us.

[@alwaysplay13]

@@MrShkodrani1980 huh....im lost... i know back in the day there was a whole little greek supremacy thing even tho the greeks who did hold supremacy of the ancient world are NOTHING like the ones today but o be honest i as an american dont know much of the geopolitical wierdness that goes on in greece. Hard economic times plus influx of refugees at the same time makes people spiteful but to me greece was always ther cultural burning pot of the world with persian wars and such which shows both worlds were in contact and therefore immagration and sharing of knowledge and commerce was a thing. I dont know if this was a bit of a ramble but honestly i am lost looking at all these hateful comments filled with what seems like anger and contempt

[@costantinemf4207]

Yes

[@costantinemf4207]

@@MrShkodrani1980 kid learn history...slavs never existed at ancient times...the ancient greek Macedonia was a greek Kingdom were the people had greek culture and ancient greek language.....whoever alexander met he was greek, Alexander learned a lot of greek investions like philosophy, mathematics, astronomy and he spreaded greek culture around the world....What do you have to say Now??????? Nothing

[@user-ii8sx4ev8u]

The video has a mistake. Alexander the Great was born in ancient Greece on Pella, which is today, the modern northern Greek state of Macedonia.

[@mrpopo5097]

He was born in Babylon

[@scarymonster5541]

@@mrpopo5097 bruh

[@abal-m4525]

@@mrpopo5097 he died there but he wasn’t born there

[@Hade-Phobia]

Northern Greek REGION you mean, unlike "state". Greeks aren't divided in City-States anymore. The Slavic State North of Greece has nothing to do with us. They're Yugoslavs and even some Turk-Albanian Muslims.

[@DonaldJ2024]

! Wow WA

[@frassier5093]

I love it "What Happened to the Greek Settlers in Ancient India and Pakistan?" , Greeks are everywhere

[@cp12298]

Many, many of their descendants are living inside Pakistan (Kalash, Brusho and other ethnicities), but of course their blood is mixed with the locals as they arrived in Ancient India (modern day Pakistan) nearly 2000 years ago. Alexander's horses also discovered the second largest salt mine in the world which is in Pakistan and it's 100-200 KM away from my home xD

[@maheshrathod5593]

@@cp12298 kailash people are not GREEK. They have ARYAN blood

[@zainm5919]

@@cp12298 This is a myth. Their european looking features are from far older indo-european migrations, they just didn't mix with other groups that much because they were isolated in the mountains

[@zarakdurrani7584]

​@yilonmusk1189 kalash aren't Greek. They are predominately Indic people. Even their culture is some sort of voodoo hoodooo ancient Hindu.

[@senorsiro3748]

I actually have an Indian friend (Technically with ties to what is currently Pakistani territory, but after 1947 they moved east since they are Hindu) and he found he actually has a whole 2 percent Greek DNA even after thousands of years.

[@FatJackedNerd]

b333999 really !! your whole India is a shithole compared to Brooklyn and Harlem 😅😅

[@FatJackedNerd]

b333999 they are CEOs not founder of Facebook, Google or even KZbin. those billionaires you are talking about are crook, corrupts just like an average Indian. I read a news recently where billionaires of your countries are not paying back bank loans. a browny no matter how much he makes will always remain cheap... I wonder what would you ppl of shithole India post on Instagram and Snapchat ?? 😅😅

[@FatJackedNerd]

b333999 even in debt our countries are more developed than India. atleast our ppl don't shit on railway tracks 😅😅 we don't have naked godmen running around eating human feces and half burnt deadbodies... our women dont get gangraped in a temple... we don't harbor godmen pedophile rapist as Baba's and Sadhooo's who release sex tapes 😂😂 you ppl wish you could be like one of us... 😂😂 you know west is progressive, more developed and civilised...

[@FatJackedNerd]

b333999 "madical treatment" learn to spell tree-hanger 😂😂

[@FatJackedNerd]

b333999 we roam naked bcuz we know our ppl won't gang rape our women, our women are safe culturally and we have better law and order than shithole India...

[@justtheusualcrazy2022]

"Buddhism was spread from west to east, through the Bactrian kingdom, and then on to East and South East Asia, and not the other way around" ----I do find that hard to believe since Buddhism spread after Emperor Asoka sent missionaries to various places. Buddhism started in South Asia and from there spread to East Asia, South East Asia and Central Asia.

[@shantanupandey5174]

Without weapon

[@justtheusualcrazy2022]

@@chidanandnaik7834 very interesting parallel universe theory. You should make comics In this universe however, Buddhism came out of Hinduism. Hinduism has its origins in india. It is literally the term used for the beliefs of the people living near and beyond the Indus, or Hind in Persian from which 'hindu' comes. So it's absurd and inaccurate to say Hinduism came from 'foreigners'.

[@user-qy8zi8hq4v]

@@justtheusualcrazy2022 yeah true Even Lord Buddha is considered as 9th Avatar of Lord Vishnu

[@georgianakopoulou6339]

It arrived with Dionysos, read Nonos of Panopolis, all his writings exist and are still published. Ta Indika, INDIA, describes how he went there, etc.Nonos wrote from Alexandria, Egypt, around 350 b.c.The original pre -Olympian belief here in Greece as well, books still exist, starting with Arcadia. Very interesting how queens were replaced over time. To this day most toponyms are female here in Greece although the church does its best to 'remedy' this!!!!

[@georgianakopoulou6339]

@Dhiraj Singh Ashoka the Great was born AFTER Alexander the Great. Dionysos had been to India LONG BEFORE both these heroes were born.

[@gatotrofh25]

Slavs didn't exist in Alexander's years, they came in the Balkans 900 hears after him.. so how can Skopjans be Macedonians/Greek? It is ridiculous..

[@Giorgosoellinas]

:))) Slavs are more ancient than the earth:))) you didn't know that? God created slavs then earth and then the rest:)))

[@vlasisapousidis6786]

@Tomáš Spevák history, they steal our history

[@vlasisapousidis6786]

@@gavrilo46 actually they were not considered barbarians because they participated in the Olympics. If they were barbarians they wouldn't. Actually they had the same culture Alexander spread it in the M.E. Btw Persia enslaved them and then Alexander wasn't even born I wanted to state that. "Maybe not a slav" the stupidest thing I have ever heard. He was for sure not a slav

[@gavrilo46]

and important. indoeuropean languiges come from india. but have no similarity whit 1 single indian word. compare sanskrit whit serbian, poland, russian, croatian languige. you will see 90% maching. so indoeuropean languige is just fake. how can german, greek france be indo when they have 0% similarity :D slavic-sanskrit 90% if slavs came in 700 after Christ then how Vinca have 10 000 BC same dna :) and we have languige that is far from balkan or any slavic country. if we never was in india how the similarity??? vatican, greeks liers in the history

[@vlasisapousidis6786]

@MFT69 Alexander has a meaning in ancient Greek you stupid. Have you ever read ancient Greek? Almost same to modern Greek. Albanians stealing is commons

[@cobone04]

You got your locations mixed up there Masaman.Ancient like modern day Macedonia still sits in modern day Northern Greece and its still called Macedonia.Pella was the capital of Macedonia and it still sits in Modern day Greece.FYROM is not Macedonia.They speak a Bulgarian dialect and are of Slavic descent.

[@tapikoBlends]

alexander macedonian was slavic )

[@cobone04]

@@tapikoBlends Yeah sure and Martin Luther King was German..LOL..

[@tapikoBlends]

@@cobone04 )

[@Kevin-sq8sg]

@@tapikoBlends the slavic is not even a cultural entity until the end of the ancient era (fall of Western Roman), let alone in B.C.E.

[@braunynikator8221]

@Мастурбек Кумысович alexander comes from greek 'Alexandros' in the same way phillip comes from the greek 'phillipos'

[@hadrianosolon512]

Alexander the Great was of a Greek family, and the area of Macedonia was also Greek for the most part.

[@AK-dd9od]

Alexander was from a partially Greek family. His people were not.

[@astrapi4343]

It is true Greeks were fighting between themselves and Philip united Greece but Macedonians were Greek too , like the Minoans, like the Spartans, Like the Athenians, like the Thebans, like the Thracians, everyone were Greek they spoke Greek they had the same Gods they had the same culture so understand that they were not foreign ,,,like for example the Persians they were foreign but not the Macedonians they were and still are Greek ...

[@theodoruspantelidis8738]

@@astrapi4343 look fyrom wants the greek macedonians which calls them macedonians they call the greek macedonians guys put out wifi passport macedoniaisgreek

[@Agras14]

@@AK-dd9od Alexander was totally Greek. The father Phillip II from the Greek royal house of the Argeads, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argead_dynasty, and mother Olympias from the Greek royal house of the Molossians, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molossians. Macedonians were likewise Greek, archaeological finds prove it among many other things. Have a look at the "Pella curse tablet" inscription, which is in a NW-Doric Greek dialect and is what the local Macedonians spoke, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_curse_tablet, which i can read and understand perfectly as a modern Greek speaker.

[@pandelisat147]

@Saitan Asker you are Greek

[@mikligardur9104]

Anicent Macedonia is not located modern day Makedonia or FYROM. Anicent Macedonia prior to Philip and his son Alexander the Great, 90% of Anicent Makedonia is located in Greek province Macedonia.

[@pornometanastis6014]

98%*. Bitolo and some area in south fyrom belong to greece

[@costantinemf4207]

Yes dude...

[@LondonPower]

The same applies (greek blood in their veins) to south France south Italy turkey Syria Egypt Crimea Lebanon Palestine and Persia

[@cybelekilic7131]

maybe the opposite news.softpedia.com/news/DNA-Clears-Up-The-Origin-of-the-Etruscans-57551.shtml www.phoenician.org/sea_peoples.htm

[@art.f7973]

Cybele Kiliç ιf dna of cyprus exist in 32 countries maybe is not the opposite

[@cybelekilic7131]

Cyprus? Hmm. All I know is that mass migration from Anatolia to the world

[@art.f7973]

Cybele Kiliç yes but they went from Anatolia thousand years ago they dont come from europe there exept the later pirates who destroyed civilizations

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

You forgot Egypt. My ex boss was married to a Greek lady from Egypt.

[@andrewdock7288]

Ancient Greek city states were not backward they were astonishing advanced in their culture.

[@Ramsez]

they took it in the ass backward

[@astrapi4343]

@@Ramsez Come and I will show you how they did it ...

[@Ramsez]

@SATRAPI Look away, look away, traitor, how they flood your country.

[@astrapi4343]

@@Ramsez That is going on everywhere in the planet and one day we all will have a big war over it,,, This is happening because of the lefties who are so FC and traitors something like you ...

[@violetka1197]

all balcan was ilirian albanain ..till 1920 athens has spoken albanian..........all greece albanian..university of athens.........www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr4iAv-

[@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse]

The ancient Kingdom of Macedonia is in northern Greece. The modern country called Republic of Macedonia was ancient Paeonia not Macedonia.

[@tasos2794]

The ancient greek kingdom of Macedon was located entirely within modern day Greece. The modern country named Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia falls on a territory which corresponds with the ancient region named Paeonia which was inhabited by a Hellenised people named Paeonians.

[@koteswar009]

Maurya emperor Chandragupta married a Greek governor daughter and had friendly relations with his neighbour Greek ruler after showing his strength that he is invincible to defeat. Many of his people married Greeks and lot of mixing in gene pool.

[@neutralfellow9736]

@Pichkalu Pappita lol at usual hindunationalist lies, Seleucus was at war with other Greeks at the same time, gave only one daughter, in return he got 500 war elephants, which he used to win the wars in the West, and Alexander was no demoralized, his troops were, Alexander merely turned south and conquered the entire Indus valley in just three months; kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5epop93mamcbZI

[@neutralfellow9736]

@Pichkalu Pappita again, Alexander defeated everyone in the Indus valley in just 3 months. His troops revolted because they were in 15 years of war campaign and had enough. India had nothing to do with it.

[@neutralfellow9736]

@Pichkalu Pappita The conquest of the Mallian campaign was not just against one tribe. The Maurya formed after Alexander died so that point is moot, considering how easy Maurya destroyed the Nanda, it is obvious they were in a decline and Alexander could have done the same Alexander died literally years after he returned to Babylon, there is no mystery there lol. Seleucus did not intend to invade India, he was literally in a succession war against other Greek kings in the west, which is why he could not fight at two fronts. Again, Seleucus only gave one daughter lol, the youngest one, in return for alliance and 500 war elephants, the Seleucids and Mauryas remained on friendly terms for ever after. The last sentence you give for the elephants is so comical that is shows just how blinded you have become from historical nationalism. In fact, the original source with Seleucus does not even mention a daughter, the daugher is merely mentioned in a skew source 1000 years after the marriage, and again, it is a single daughter. The primary source states a marriage exchange and an alliance in return. You would know this if you actually read history instead of Hindunationalist forums. Pathetic.

[@neutralfellow9736]

@Pichkalu Pappita Literally everything I said here is mainstream historiography. While you stated your own personal theories and ideas, stating daughters instead of daughter, Alexander dying in the Indus, elephants purposefully left behind instead of gifted etc. etc. none of which his truth, but rather your own wishful thinking because it makes you feel better, because your people equate the conquests of the Greeks with foreign rule of the British, and this makes you very butthurt, for not fucking reason, since the Greeks had nothing to do with Brits. How do you even deal with the later Indo-Greek conquests to Pataliputra? i.imgur.com/V86L2IV.jpg Must make your brain melt.

[@suhassreehari876]

@@neutralfellow9736 lol even the Mauryans were at conflict with the Deccan and southern kingdoms and they had just established their empire and hadn't even consolidate it still he beat selecus

[@pardesimalik4436]

I am from Punjab Pakistan side near salt range where they're salt mines which Alexander horses discover when they started licking salty stone &there old grave yard with horses grave stone nearby place called katas famous Hindu temple they were soldiers of Alexander the Great

[@786swe]

@@FatJackedNerd Your comment is the dumbest ever I have seen on KZbin.

[@Chitta_ve]

@@FatJackedNerd actually the hindus of North india are much fair in skin tone similar to the Pakistani people. I am a brahman of state haryana.. and my skin tone is fair and physic is much better than the dravid of south india. Even the brahmans of south india are black but in North India we have fair tone skin mainly in all castes. Skin tone is not depends on religion. The Muslims in India are mainly black.

[@animeguy7037]

@@Chitta_ve no lower castes are dark skinned mainly in Madhya Pradesh, bengal, uttarpradesh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, orissa

[@anishpinto1]

@@Chitta_ve Your skin tone and physic isn't "better" than the Dravidians of South India, it's different. Your diet is generally more fatty and that's why people in north India tend to be more doughy and plump. The people in south India generally have darker skin and more lean and compact muscle. I believe that's why I have seen many occasions in which smaller south Indian men are often stronger than the doughy north Indian men. Also the Muslims in India are not mainly black. It depends if they're a south Indian muslim who was most likely converted or a muslim who migrated into India from Afghanistan or one of those places.

[@Chitta_ve]

@@anishpinto1 non of you're talks even seen to get any logic . We north indian of Haryana have much fair skin tone and and taller than you. We are among the strongest in india. Thats why we Haryana get more than 30% medal in spots than any other state in whole india. We tends to have large muscle than tiny and black south indian. We are much fair and best in physics for games and war. And south indian eats more fatty item than us and we are lage farmers and we have tendency generate more energy than south indian.

[@Nevermind301]

Just a correction, the kingdom of macedonia was located mostly in modern Greece, with the capital, and all other major cities being in what is now greece. The modern day "macedonians" have no unique connection to the ancient kingdom. They speak a slavic language and have slavic traditions while the ancient macedonians where culturally and linguisticaly hellenic. Geneticaly, their connection is no stronger than that of the Bulgarians next door. Hence the controversy with them using the name "Macedonia"

[@FoodbyBaris]

Thomas South Slavs are not pure Slavic though. They are mixed with the original inhabitants. And Macedonians and Bulgars do have spme different genetics, Macedonians being the mix of Slavs and ancient Macedonians and Bulgars beint the mix of Slavs and Thracians.

[@Nevermind301]

The location of the country is so far north that the non-slavic admixture is probably more from Paeonians and far less from Macedonians, keep in mind that most Macedonian urban centers were in the south. If they are to make an ancestry claim from the Macedonians based on this sliver of genetic connection, it's gonna be very weak. Also, by this logic, both the Albanians and the Bulgarians can make the same claim.

[@nikosfz6]

correct...as in map pictured in the current video

[@Nevermind301]

Not really true though, Alexander I, back during the Persian wars proved the Hellenic identity of the macedonians in front of the hellanodikai. The only ones that objected were some politicians in Athens...

[@theMosen]

Thomas, is that why the Greeks formed an alliance of city-states, including some traditional rivals, to march against Philip II to curb his power in the Battle of Chaeronea in 338 BC? Yes, the Macedonians considered themselves Hellenic. But the rest of Greece didn't. Not until a good deal later.

[@Iustin1998]

Not the Greeks and The Macedonians... The Greeks of Alexander the Great... Alexander was Greek From the Region of Macedonia Like Attika Pelloponicos and Epirus and all the other Greek Regions...

[@sigmaalpha8698]

Alexander the Great was Greek. Macedonians were Dorian Greeks just like Spartans, Epirotes, and Corinthians.

[@YouTuber-gm9xf]

Spiri Donas Epirots were Illyrians not Greeks.

[@somatia350]

Pellasgian weren’t they closely related

[@dfj555]

Alexander was from FYROM, and a Macedonian Slav. Quit lying Greek. Lol.

[@sarasker]

@@dfj555 Well his name is of Greek origin, he spoke the Greek language and he spread the Greek culture on the places he conquered. Maybe you are the one lying, to yourself.

[@dfj555]

@@sarasker Sarcasm my friend sarcasm. You must not be very bright.

[@akisbrown8950]

Proud to say : MACEDONIA IS ONLY GREEK

[@sosyalkayip6088]

Greece >Oguzs Türkic ,gayrees dna >West asian Oguzs Türkic Central asian 40℅ Old TÜRKÎC haahah (1453 Sivaslı TÜRK)

[@thletrelas3817]

@@sosyalkayip6088 brain cancer?

[@blalretardhoho]

@@thletrelas3817 he's a turk calling us gay and insulting us with 1453 (fall of Constantinople) also i like how our country is older than turkey, and yeah hr has brain damage.

[@Gryffindor_-gv3jm]

MACEDONIA KICEVO is your dreams Fakeodonia

[@Gryffindor_-gv3jm]

MACEDONIA KICEVO Macedonia or Fakeodonia is a NATION from 1993... the city is Greece

[@SuperPartha1]

Very good explanation on what happened to Alexander's soldiers who decided to stay in India. This is the explanation I had been looking for many years. Thanks.

[@chrisnivo]

I wish you would stop saying the Greeks and Macedonians, the Macedonians were and are Greek. The Macedonians represented their own group no different than Athenians and Spartans.

[@γαμώθεος]

they ate bugatsa too?

[@ConorMcgregor322]

Actually they were more Thracian that Greek but go on.

[@sophitsa79]

@@γαμώθεος only the best since the best is in Thessaloniki.

[@MouAresounTaPneusta]

Noooot exactly. The legend says that Macednos and Hellin, the founders of the Macedonians and the Hellenes were cousins, while Graekos, the founder of the Greeks (The western Hellenic tribe) was the nephew of Hellin.

[@ConorMcgregor322]

@@MouAresounTaPneusta Yes and in Greek mythology, the Thracians were descendants of Thrax, son of Ares. Similarly, the Persians claimed to be descendants of Perseus. Mythology proves nothing

[@Patrick-oc1vq]

You should make more in-depth videos like this. It is really enjoyable to watch your videos and learn the history and peoples of our world. I really like it.

[@irinka_kat]

Light colored eyes in Northern India and around this area had already existed long before the arrival of the Greeks. This genetic trait belonged to the people who spoke the proto Indo-Aryan/Persian languages which were related to proto Indo-European languages. Mummies found further northeast were red-heads. You might wanna check that out. I love all your videos. They're very informative for me as I'm interested in Central-Asia study. Keep up the good work! ❤️❤️❤️

[@RajA-fv4mp]

Greeks were not light eyed. Greece is hot, the eyes of them is brown and they do not have white skin but color skin because of climate. So when they mixed with locals who had similar skin and eyes, they disappeared in the locals.

[@ΒαγγεληςΝοτης]

@@RajA-fv4mp i think you don't know nothing for us yes we are Mediterranean people but we have also white skin or light "olive"and light eyes people not like the Vikings of course but we are not meadle East people !

[@greatgreekempirereunited7988]

I'm from Pella the birthplace of Alexander the Great in Greece

[@marklanzarotta2577]

They were absorbed into the Iranian people who lived around them and became Zoroastrians and Buddhists. Many people in that area have Greek blood to this very day.

[@Solon7]

I am Greek and I can read and understand every ancient inscription that have found in southern Greece(Athens,Sparta)or in northern Greece(Macedonia).If the people of fyrom can read them too,then we,gladly,will admit that they are Macedonians.For example,what means the phrase that Alexander the Great wrote after the battle of Granicus:"ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΠΛΗΝ ΛΑΚΕΔΑΙΜΟΝΙΩΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΩΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΤΗΝ ΑΣΙΑΝ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΥΝΤΩΝ".Please dear friends from FYROM,translate if you can.But if you can't,then stop propaganda that you are Macedonians and admit the truth:That you are Slavs.There is not something bad with it.

[@LaluzdelaLunaEsp]

KARNA werent the Greeks one of the first to follow the monotheistic religions

[@user-fl9fp5vi7d]

We use the internet and speak English, does that make us westerners?

[@louiefilips9470]

@@user-fl9fp5vi7d Opaio!!

[@TheJenniferKK]

Language and genetics have nothing to do with each other. Plenty of black people who only speak English. Plenty of Basques who only speak Spanish. Whether Macedonians can read Greek is irrelevant, it proves nothing.

[@albertrexhepaj8330]

ALEZANDROY MEANING NAME,ALBANIAN ALE ZAN TROY, GREECE MEGALO KATARTITI, INGLES GREAT CONQUEROR, ITALI GRANDE CONCUISTATORE, ALEZANDROY IS WORD OF ALBANIA.

[@JoyMadrugada]

8:31 i can clrearly read the :ΤΑΥΤΑ ΠΟΙΟΥΝΤΕΣ ΔΙΑΖΟΥΣΙΝ !OMG greek letters didint change trhough thousand years form

[@chrisstamatis3570]

Our words are still the same or they derive from the ancient words. What has changed is mostly our syntax.

[@zelandluli4260]

Translate it please

[@havales1205]

translate ( we will do all this for all the time (for ever)) It was probably a treaty

[@zelandluli4260]

Ohh thanks...i thought its true meaning is that youngs is discussing or youngs will always discuss :)

[@havales1205]

I try to read all but i cant because i canot see all the letters. It was a law for fishermen and hunters And a law it has to be in a stone so everybody can read.

[@giribaba28]

Thanks for posting this. I became interested in Alexander's India campaign through my study of Ayurveda (Vedic Medicine). I was amazed to find so many cognates in Sanskrit medical terminology and our own modern medical vocabulary which could relate to this time in history, or possibly common origins within the Indo-European language family. Also certain theoretical principles of Ayurveda appear to be related to what little we know of ancient Greek medicine, from which our modern medicine purports to descend. It appears to me that there was a robust cross-insemination taking place between Greek civilization and the Buddhist learning centers like Taxila which submitted peacefully to Greek domination. 500 BC is generally considered the golden age of Buddha and the Charaka Samhita, the written gospel of the Ayurvedic tradition, traces its origins back to that time. It's rather pathetic, considering the monumental implications the India campaign had on the development of both East and West, that you should have to endure all the nationalistic and even racist comments about the implications of your study - like those remarks about the gene pool, light skin and color of the eyes. People still ready to fight about it 2500 years later....

[@mrexpress8002]

which is now modern day Pakistan

[@vicky116]

@@mrexpress8002 Not when Alexander lived.

[@iamrebel660]

Greek in India Become Buddhist in India. Ayurveda is Buddhist Medicine. Not vedic.

[@modgirl2001]

😂 It's called Ayurvedic medicine - the term vedic is in the name! Btw, the Vedas predate Buddhism by at least 1.5 thousand years

[@SMK-SAS]

Ancient Greek philosophy got influenced by contemporary Indian. The people of Athens even buried an Indian sage in their Heroes' cemetery: the Keramikos (Cerameicos) Cemetery. According to Plutarch, the tomb of Zarmanochegas was a well-known sightseeing monument there. Of course, as already pointed out, Greeks saw as India, "Indies", the entire Indian Subcontinent, including Pakistan & Sri Lanka. The ports of Baruch ("Varygaza"), Muziris, Machilipatnam ("Massalia"), had been favorite destinations for Greek merchants from Egypt.

[@htastemaster7188]

There is likely Greek genes persisting in parts of Pakistan where a fused Asian - Greek culture existed after many soldiers and generals settled and created a civilization but I don't think there would be any evidence of this in India since Alexander's soldiers traveled and settled in what is now Pakistan.

[@temptemp4174]

It would make sense to settle deeper into India at first but then you factor in the fact that the deeper you go the more hostile the populace would’ve been to Greeks. Settling on Pakistan would’ve been a good choice, 2 deserts on each side and only 5 rivers between them

[@limnmark]

I can't imagine how the world would be without greek influence. Still and always inspires me. Great video. Thanks

[@Tonyx.yt.]

roman contribution to world is bigger than green influence...

[@ПетяВеликова-и5д]

much nicer I think. less intrigs and lays...

[@Tonyx.yt.]

@Truth seeker bullshit...

[@jobaser]

@@Tonyx.yt. hold your horses boy ,you see History can not change...better to read real history and not the fake one...Anyway Greeks have great sympathy to Italians regardless the Italy invasion of 1940. So do not speak ill about Greeks is not fair...

[@doctoracanthamoeba2413]

It'd probably be less gay.

[@persepolis80]

You're videos and information are so thorough and on point. I'm a life long student of history and anthropology and very much appreciate the information you are putting out ! Thank you!

[@leothewarrior1]

This is an amazing video, I am from Northern Pakistan region located just next to Kashmir, as you mentioned that people from that region have the highest ratio of lighter eye and skin color I will affirm that! About 10% out of all my relatives have green eyes. I always wondered how a Pakistani (non Pushtun) group can have such peculiar features but this video makes a perfect sense, this must be Greek influence in our DNA. Thanks for making such an interesting video !

[@lulm8767]

leothewarrior1 this video is talking about INDO people. You are pak idiot

[@lulm8767]

leothewarrior1 Most pakistanis get their white skin from the arab and turk invaders who converted you to islam by islamic sex slavery

[@leaveme3559]

leothewarrior1 .....well the region of Pakistan were always subject to invasion so.....u could be mixed with mongol turkik and Greek blood who knows...?

[@AshrafAnam]

Lul M8 You jealous, idol-worshiping cowshitter Hindu ignorants? The word 'Hindu' itself is enough of an insult anyway LOL

[@arrrb]

Modern day Greeks have 0,0001% light eyes

[@Theodoros_Kolokotronis]

Excellent content ! Two monumental works regarding the legacy of the Ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia, by prominent Historian Ian Worthington, are: “Alexander the Great. Man and God”, Pearson, Harlow 2004, and “By the spear. Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the rise and fall of the Macedonian empire”, Oxford University Press. Truly masterpieces.

[@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse]

Masaman You made a mistake. The ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia of Alexander the Great is located in Macedonia in northern Greece. The SLavic (former Yugoslvai) country called "Republic of Macedonia" or FYROM was in ancient time known as Paeonia, before the ancestors of the present slav population, Bulgars and Serbs, settled there

[@rafaellagaribaldi9391]

Indeed the Greek legacy of Alexander the Great extended from Egypt to India.

[@goodnight1530]

He could even reach India he lost war by poras he was from Indus valley nowadays (Pakistan)

[@goodnight1530]

He could even reach India he lost war by poras he was from Indus valley nowadays (Pakistan)

[@savitar8002]

He lost against king Porus and went back to his place. The Nanda empire was much stronger than Greek empire

[@pointlesscine]

"One could be forgiven for thinking Greece has minor influence on world culture" ...no?

[@alexanderthegreatgreek6853]

Nothing happened to the Greek Settlers in Ancient India and Pakistan , we are here in Macedonia Greece/Hellas.

[@achilles5888]

@@cp12298 Macedonian and Greek is the same , Macedonians are Greeks just like Athenians are Greeks and Spartans are Greeks etc.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

@Alexios I Komnenos means they are indians Because their dna has no root to greece

[@V-man117]

Today's "Macedonia" has nothing to do with the ancient one. They are basically a mix of Albanians, Bulgarians and other Slavic people who try to create an ethnic identity and a state.

[@aarengraves9962]

you are wrong let me explain: Macedonia is located in Greece as an official province/ region North Macedonia is what you say

[@Kabelczerwony]

Great video, great channel. Not another 'Wikipedist', but a guy who takes an effort to actually understand the academic argument, and bring us the actual scientific knowledge of the subject while still being entertaining. So sad modern Western Bulgarians or Slavic Macedonians are ashamed of their Slavic origins and make absurd statements about their past. Keep on doing great and actually educative videos, greetings from Poland!

[@rafaellagaribaldi9391]

The Greek legacy of Alexander the Great stretched from Egypt to India and Pakistan

[@goodnight1530]

Alexander lost the war by Punjabi king poras he was from Punjab nowadays Pakistan.

[@updown9697]

@Giannis Stathakis how did you know? Remember history was wrote by the europeans

[@updown9697]

@Giannis Stathakis any proff? And porus defeated alxendader the great

[@updown9697]

@Giannis Stathakis could a 5 foot 3 Alexander the great beat a 7 foot 5 porus?

[@updown9697]

@Giannis Stathakis Wikipedia can be edited so stop access yours source to Wikipedia

[@daveanderson718]

Nice brief, yet informative video summation of a part of history not taught in schools. Thanks

[@DG-hb8ob]

Glad you did this video. I'm an Indian of partial Greek decent, and you taught me things I didn't know about my ancestorial history!

[@xyzsing4038]

D G haha all lies

[@DG-hb8ob]

@@xyzsing4038 It's not, the guy has done his research. I'm North Indian, and my family have always told me that our ancestors came down from Greece.

[@striker91]

@@DG-hb8ob I bet they've alos told you how that makes you more superior, LOL (North "Indian" myself here)

[@DG-hb8ob]

@@striker91 Indians will be Indians. I don't think I'm superior or inferior to anyone. It's a shame how some people have that mindset. I show everyone the same respect regardless of their race, religion, beliefs

[@senorguy3858]

@@striker91 why are you so angry?....he's just sharing something interesting

[@ΣπαρτιάτηςΣπαρτιάτης-ω1ξ]

Ancient Macedonia is in what is today Northern Greece 95% and FYRO"M" (South-Whest) 5%. Check the maps. Modern "Macedonians" (Skopjians) have nothing in common with the Ancient Macedonians who where Greeks. They (Modern "Macedonians") just stole the Greek name "Macedonia" at 1945.

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

@lesandra tribalic Competely the opposite my friend. Macedonians spoke Greek, wrote Greek, worshipped the ancient Greek Olympian pantheon from macedonian mountain Olympos, spread Hellenism and established the Hellenistic era not slavobulgarian. Macedonians participated in Olympics where only Greeks were allowed to It was Alexander and Macedonians who spread Greeek language and made it the lingua franca of that time. All the evidence that Macedonians left behind are ONLY Greek. Macedonians used only Greek words for their names and places. Macedonian kings like : Karanos, Koinos, Tyrimmas, Perdikkas, Archelaos, Orestes, Pavsanias, Ptolemaios Aloritis, Argaios ...... Macedonian Olympic winners like : Archonas of Pella Antigonos of Ouranopolis Apollodoros, Xanthippos, Damasias of Amphipolis Lagos, Alketas, Belistiche, .... Macedonian scholars and philosophers like : Aristotle, Hermagoras, Crateros ALEXARCHOS Macedonian calendar with ONLY Greek months: Apellaiios, moon of December Loos ΛΩΟΣ moon of July Hyperberetaios Hyperberetos Embolimos ....... Tell us your slav fairytales now. xD

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

@lesandra tribalic Ploutarch in "Alexander's parallel lives" writes: (Translation from the Greek original text) Alexander was proud being descendant of Achilles ( from his maternal side Olympias-her original name was Polyxeni). Achilles was ancestor of Aiakos dynasty-Upto king Neoptolemos (Olympias' father) Alexander was also proud being Hercules' descendant from his paternal side (his father king Philip was Karanos' Argead dynasty whose father king Temenos in Argos was direct descendant of Hercules) Tell me now that Achilles and Hercules were Serbian to make my day. FYI The same bullshits are said by Albanians lol

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

@lesandra tribalic You haven't answered anything of the facts i wrote to you. It seems that you don't read what the others write to you. You know Olympics. Don't you? Why the Greeks had also OLYMPIC TRUCE (=stop fighting) unless they fought eachother? Check macedonian town Amphipolis battle 422BC: Macedonian PERDIKAS with Spartan VRASIDAS Vs Athenian General Kleon. Macedonians and Spartans won Google: Olympic Truce Peloponnesian war Amphipolis battle To see Greeks fight eachother Philip was the first Greek king who managed to unify all Greeks against the common enemy Persians. There is no written evidence about some lesander karanovic. There are only ancient inscriptions and texts writing : ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ First of all learn all the Macedonian kings : Karanos, Koinos, Tyrimmas, Perdikkas, Argaios .....

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

@lesandra tribalic Alexander ancestors were these Greeks : His parents Philip and Olympiada His grandparents : Amyntas and Evridiki Neoptolemos and Andromachi His great grandfather : Perdikkas Archelaos Argaios ........ Koinos Karanos Temenos (king of Argos) .......... Heracles His maternal side: Olympias (Polyxeni) His grandparents : Neoptolemos and Andromachi Aiakos dynasty ........ Achilleas The funniest is lisander karanovic hahahahahahahahaha You are more ridiculous than fyromians and Albanians ;) Megas Alexandros was proud being descendant of Achilles and Heracles. Fullstop. Period xD

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

@lesandra tribalic Greek names of Macedonians that slavs can't even spell. My profile picture is an ancient macedonian 4drachmas coin. Writting : "ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ" xD

[@smpelig]

A mostly accurate presentation except some issues. For example: Alexander's Lion helmet was not showing his conquer over the Persians. This helmet was weared by Alexander the Great much time before his expedition against Persians to show his descendance from Hercules dynasty. As you may know, Alexander from his father Filippos was descending from Macedon the son of Hercules who relocated and established in a North Greece a kingdom in an area named Macedonia from him. On the other side from his mother Olympias was descending from another Greek hero Achilleas who's son Pyrros relocated and established a Kingdom on a Greek area named Ipirus i.e. I-Pyrros that means in Greek the land of Pyrros. All these happened 3000 years ago and these areas remained Greek until now but today Albanians whose country established at 20th century and Slaves who came in the Macedonia north area only in 6th century AC claim these Greek areas helped from economic cycles.

[@namesurname8652]

History unfortunately is full of lies, and is always written by the winners , Greeks today they exist as a independent country because of the arvanite ( albanians ) who fought the ottomans.

[@smpelig]

@@namesurname8652 There are no Albanians ! Albania is a country established in 20th century. The vast mazority of the Albania population are Greeks from Ipiros ie descenders of the Achilleas who became muslim by force. This the truth and no muslim Albanian fought against muslim Ottomans. These all you say are bullshit.

[@klementcuka8320]

You want to convince yourself that we ILLYRIANS (Albanians)are people that suddenly started to exist in 20th centry , But the truth is that you also came to this land some more time before slavs and this make you no different then them , YOU ARE BOTH INVADERS. You made it easy for me to prove you are a liar 🤥. Just Research : Gjergj Kastrioti (Shqiptari) his real name Skënder beu (alb) Scanderbeg (eng) Iskander - relating him with Alexander the Great. Epirus was still an albanian territory untill ww2 where you massacre an entire population killed children and women and the rest who could escape came to their brothers in Albanian border Maybe you forgot what you did to Chameria but we will never forget . Soon will come the day when the Truth will be revealed and all the world will have Freedom. Only when the Free people of this land will be free again wherever they are in Greek territory In Macedonian territory Is Serbian territory Montenegrino Territory Or Bosnian territory . In times of heavy rains and storms all the animals run for a place to hide Eagles alone fly above and wait until it calms

[@YouTuber-gm9xf]

Stefanos Beligiannis Epirus is Albanian land idiot. Albanians are the descendants of Ancient Illyrians/Pelasgians who are native in Balkan Peninsula.

[@jimmybastas3559]

@@KZbinr-gm9xf en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus_(ancient_state)

[@georgesparta5777]

People wake up and read your history . Ancient Macedonia was Greek . Ancient Macedonian kingdom is a province in Greece. The newly created state of North Macedonia is a fantasy land made up of 60 percent Slavs and 40 percent Albanians. 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷👊🏼👊🏼

[@alimalik5846]

Im pakistani with relatives from kashmir and punjab, i did my 23andme test and came out 99.1% south asian, 0.4-0.8% broadly southern European. Greek regions come in southern europe so maybe one of my ancestors came with alexander lol. Im fair-ish skinned with light brown eyes but 0.4% european will probably have little to do with that xD.

[@alimalik5846]

Mohib Jaffri probably not, my ancestry result didnt show any african lineage. But i did get 0.4% un assigned/ unknown which could be from anywhere. Who knows what ethnicity egyptians had all that time ago.

[@mrunalmhatre9295]

ali malik Actually 0.4% can do lots of think But all genes are not related to phenotype To being white no need European gene

[@supersagarsagar]

LoL White Bootlicker spotted

[@alimalik5846]

Sagar Sagar lol what?

[@alimalik5846]

Sagar Sagar oh nooo :"(

[@dalecrowe5340]

This was a very well done and informative video. Are you going to do more videos on similar subjects such as this? If so please do. Keep up the superb work.

[@Met4lN1kos]

Spreading lies about Macedonia since 15th of agu 2017 MACEDONIA WAS ALWAYS GREEK

[@wizzya9966]

@Tony Montana maybe caz the ancient greek empire macedonia is at nonexistent?

[@wizzya9966]

@Tony Montana we were never under the rule of persians. Also,ancient greece exists even today through greece.and the greece as a nation also existed at alexander the greats times.when he created a greek alliance(state)by uniting the greeks. Also,ancient greek language and modern greek language is the same.One language,the greek,so the ancient greeks.Its better to tell them greeks,as we put this "ancient"to tell that these greeks are at this ancient times. Ancient greece=modern greece Makedonia=greek,not scopian,which is just a mix of bulgarians and albanians

[@wizzya9966]

As i said,makedonia as a nation doesnt exist anymore.makedonia lives through greece,and please put out the letter c,it doesnt exist in greek language

[@zachfox5969]

Incorrect. If the major Greek powers thought of them as a backwater full of barbarians, *they* disagreed with you- and I'm pretty sure ancient greeks- not modern maps- have the final say in this matter.

[@panospanagiotopoulos5759]

@@zachfox5969 no they don’t. That is why history is a form of science. You have to know what was going on in that time period to fully understand why those people said what they said and did what they did. The rest of greece viewed macedonia’s growing power as a threat. Macedonians were always viewed as weak during the previous centuries. No one really cared for them too much. So the fact that their power grew so much and they started dominating did not please the athenians or the spartans at all. That is why they didn’t like them and verbally attacked them. It was kind of a propaganda of the time because there were two sides. One side wanted to make them allies and unite with them and the rest of greece and the other didn’t. So in an attempt to make them look worse in the eyes of the average athenian many retors and politicians called them barbarians among other things. Macedonians were greeks and no one can deny that. And if anyone has the last say in the matter, that is the macedonians themselves. Not today’s macedonians, but the ancient ones, the ones that wrote, read, and spoke greek.

[@ahmadsallar007]

I am a Pakistani Kashmiri with Pakhtun mother. I always thought that my people were native of the Himalayan ranges hence, the lighter skin tone. But this is another possibility. Very informative video! :)

[@AK-dd9od]

Genetic tests have already been done and no evidence for Greek Y-chromosomes have been found. The Pakhtuns and related peoples have Aryan heritage with a high percentage of the R1a gene haplotype. Additionally, Greeks are a dark/swarthy people, and would have brought darker complexions to the lands of the Aryans they attacked.

[@itsmee6663]

@@AK-dd9od you mean Greeks where black

[@AK-dd9od]

Greeks are southern Europeans of the Mediterranean region. In addition to being darker, Greeks are also comparatively coarse-featured. In contrast, the Aryan peoples of the East are sharper-featured/fine-featured, being mainly dolichocephalic and have thinner, more pointed noses than the more fleshy-nosed, rounder-headed Greeks.

[@camrondirossi3249]

Yep well pakistan was india so ur background were indians

[@AK-dd9od]

@@camrondirossi3249 The Aryans come from the north, so Indians are more likely descended from Afghans and northern Pakistanis. Genetic studies have shown that Indians have genes from the north mixed with southern Dravidic genes (in successive waves). Even India's name comes from the Indus river, which is Pakistani. And the source of the Indus river is the Hindu Kush ("Caucasus Indicus") mountain region of Afghanistan.

[@shanmugakumar3964]

I'm South India(Tamil). No one Tamil writers will talk about other empirors easily. But lot of script available in tamil, about mayur emperorism on North East India (mouriya perarasu in tamil). That was exists on same time of Alexander arrival. Alexander suffered just with normal west Indians. Cannot think about possiblity of Alexander win, in on other main parts of Indian emperorism.

[@onduty7499]

டேய் தேவிடியா பையா ஏண்டா சூத்து ரொம்ப எரியுது போல 😂

[@zeebee8185]

Alexander didn’t go to modern day India this was in Pakistan

[@stonewall1485]

Bruh atleast type in English

[@DxvinderSingh1699]

Yeah my heritage is British Indian Greek and Chinese and Portuguese thank you for showing me about this video :)

[@conm87]

The people of North Macedonia are a Slavic people who took that name in the 1900’s. They have no relation to the Ancient Macedonians, a Greek people.

[@minasmina9866]

THEY ARE BULGARIANS THEY SPEAK BULGARIANS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS

[@greatgreekempirereunited7988]

Alexander the Great spread the Greek civilization to his Eastern Greek Empire

[@Peterkonto]

Makedonski 🤩🤩🤩🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.....All these icognito bulgarians have names ending with ski a bit like the polish names LOL

[@ΑΣΤΕΡΙΟΣΤΡΙΚ]

I found a mistake. Although Aristotle taught Alexander a lot of things, he didn't help him with the empire. He told Alexander to treat other people like animals or plants whereas Alexander tried to conquer them without war. Eo Alexander managed to unificate all the people in his empire with a few wars mainly with Persians and people were living with peace and concord

[@icantthinkausername1136]

Buddy, macedonia is greek

[@spacedoutorca4550]

You referred to Greece as a “minor country” when actually it’s considered to be a *middle power,* just below a great power. That’s the same level as Germany (according to many people, to some it is a great power.), even though they’re in vastly different scales in both economy and population, Greece is by absolutely no means a “minor country.”

[@nikolasmacedonites917]

yeah middle power however that's wayy below a great power. Greece is definitely not a minor country and most definitely not a minor country in the Balkans. however there is this image of Greece today that was created in literally a few days after the economic crisis hit almost ten years ago which have turned the name Greece as a brand name for Bankrupt and poor and everything related, and people quote Greece as an example of disaster bad management corruption and so on..

[@dozerthemongrel6630]

Are Greeks still living off the scraps thrown to them by the E.U?

[@Carlos31416]

Really very nice video, full of all kinds of data. I appreciated specifically the maps and the arts pictures. Well documented and 🎯 ing thoroughly the subject. On the contrary, I didn't notice the echo you talked about at the end. Everything was perfect ! 👍

[@lukeilias7332]

I'm very happy you did a video on Greece you should do one on Ireland and its genetics etc? Also do not call fyrom Macedonia Macedonia is Greek it is a region in northern Greece.

[@EntryLevelLuxury]

Not before the Treaty of Bucharest (1913): "Greek Territory Gains: The boundary line separating Greece from Bulgaria was drawn from the crest of Belasica to the mouth of the Mesta (Nestos), on the Aegean Sea. This important territorial concession, which Bulgaria resolutely contested, in compliance with the instructions embraced in the notes which the Russian Empire and Austria-Hungary presented to the conference, increased the area of Greece from 64,790 to 108,610 km2 and its population from 2,660,000 to 4,363,000.[3] The territory thus annexed included large parts of Epirus and Macedonia, including Thessaloniki. The Greek-Bulgarian border was moved eastwards to beyond Kavala, thus restricting the Aegean seaboard of Bulgaria to an inconsiderable extent of 110 km, with only Dedeagach (modern Alexandroupoli) as a seaport. In addition, Crete was definitively assigned to Greece and was formally taken over on 14 December that year. Within this region was also Florina." The region was heavily inhabited by Slavic/Bulgarian speaking "Macedonians" (as they call themselves, given their living in the region of Macedonia for centuries) who were forced to speak Greek after Bulgaria ceded the territory.

[@lukeilias7332]

Nelson3300 Yes but historically and culturally it was Greek and is Greek hence the reason it was taken back. Many pieces of land have exchanged hands in the balkans due to the many different ethnicities. Also you are lying the North of Greece was always populated by Greeks my family is from Macedonia in northern Greece.

[@shantagoundar8306]

What s lot of bull crap when it comes to Indian part of history . It is Indian maths , 😁

[@FoodbyBaris]

Luke ilias northern Greece was populated by Slavs mostly during Ottoman times. Ethnic maps also show this.

[@lukeilias7332]

Flexxshitt A Yes during ottoman Times not now and in ancient Times Was always populated by Greeks

[@explorer1968]

This most ignored topic in Universal History well deserves a much deeper disclosure since we Westerners know so little about it...

[@ΛάζαροςΤσουφλίδης]

really?u think skopje are ancient makedones?LeL.....learn better history 1:55-2:00

[@klementcuka8320]

Λάζαρος Τσουφλίδης Shkup , is the name and its 🇦🇱, like all Greek territory, Peace ✌🏻

[@Peterkonto]

@@klementcuka8320 ...Do you have plenty of car cleaning bussiness in Albania...Or do you do them jobs just as immigrants...

[@shqiperia60]

@@Peterkonto tides turn quickly you know, but yeah Albanian workers help your economy. They do the jobs you greeks dont have the balls to do. From tobaccos, oil, basic industry, to high rank politics. If you dont like the Albanian employee's maybe you can get some from Africa so they can fuck your place for good.

[@neon6828]

@@klementcuka8320 Skopje is greek word and comes from Skopos.

[@agak8336]

Super interesting and eye opening educational segment. Thank you for your work and for sharing!

[@Jattmafia313]

Alexander lost to the Punjabis. It makes no sense for him to have let Porus live. The Macedonians didn’t return the way they came, which is also evidence that they lost and were wandering aimlessly.

[@MrLantean]

Actually Alexander did a wise choice of letting Porus live. He and his Greek-Macedonian soldiers were in a foreign land and needed allies to provide provisions, manpower and base of operation.

[@Jattmafia313]

MrLantean every land he conquered was a foreign land. His supposed actions in India differ starkly from everywhere else he conquered. Alexander is known for hiring his personal historians to write the history he saw fit. Making Porus a satrap is unlike him. He lost in the Punjab, his army scattered south which explains his army fighting smaller kingdoms before they finally retreated back to Babylon along a route that was dangerous and mostly desert.

[@MrLantean]

Alexander was impressed with Porus' courage and valor that he decided to keep him as an ally. He was not defeated in Punjab by the Indians but rather by his men's refusal to expand further eastward. A huge Indian army perhaps larger than Porus' was assembled by several Indian kingdoms that decided to combine their armies to face Alexander. Alexander was eager to fight and rallied up his men to fight. This was not the first time his men had refused to fight. A number of time it happened but Alexander managed to convinced them in the end. However this time he failed to do so. Why Alexander took the southern route to cross the desert is never known. There are 2 theories. The first argues that he did it to deliberate punish his men for refusal to comply his orders to travel eastward and fight a much larger Indian army. The second argues that he attempt to outdone the great Persian king Cyrus the Great whose attempt to cross the desert failed.

[@Jattmafia313]

MrLantean you have to apply Occam’s razor here. What makes more sense? It very much seems Greek historians were scrambling to explain the odd things that happened in India.

[@Jattmafia313]

Gustavo Larancia except non of those rulers defied Alexander and brought armies to fight him. Porus is the only example of someone who told Alexander to go fuck himself that was allowed to live. The Greeks would tell you he let Porus live because Alexander was impressed by his bravery. The Indians know the battle of Hydaspes was most likely a stalemate or loss for Alexander.

[@jattfitness3136]

alot of greeks settled in punjabi area of india/pakistan and integrated into societies, there are statues of zeus in India clash of two amazing cultures

[@Ryanlexz]

diego suarez nobody say greek were punjabis

[@Mitchery]

Mustafa Alam Most North-Indians/Pakistanis are actually are dark

[@TheAfghan72]

+Mustafa Alam Porus lost to Alexander and he went back because his troops were home sick and tired. Also North Indians are pretty dark and some are also Austroloid looking. I've never seen a North Indian that looks like a Greek or an Italian.

[@TheAfghan72]

+Maeur Do you have any papers to provide proof for your claim?

[@alroc6577]

agree! but u gotta love the brainwashing europeans have done to indians, all these fairy tails just to prove the great indian civilization has european roots

[@svmorris1]

There is no Slavic Macedonia. Macedonia was always Hellenic, the citizens considered themselves Hellenes, they participates in the Olympic Games, and they united the Greek City states. Correct your video....In that sense there can be Afghani Macedonia, Indian Macedonia, Italian Macedonia, Egyptian Macedonia so on and so forth....

[@greatgreekempirereunited7988]

Alexander the Great the Greatest Greek hero and the Greatest hero of the world history

[@tanzanos]

Phillip of Macedon participated in the Olympic games. Only Greeks were allowed to participate. Macedonians were and are Greeks. Case closed.

[@klementcuka8320]

Yiannis Mantheakis really , what about romans Egyptians , gals , Illyrians. Cut this shit man . We mature enough to be reasonable, No such thing as greek existed in ancient times ,

[@ThunderAndGuillon]

@@klementcuka8320 Were did you get these facts from? Asterix at the Olympic Games? Only Greeks were allowed to participate. A participant had to prove to the Hellanodikai (literally meaning Judges of the Greeks) to prove they were Greek.

[@klementcuka8320]

Thunder And Guillon ehhh the lack of superiority, gone already man . Grow up Remember your root is Albanian , peace out

[@innosanto]

@@klementcuka8320 Yes it existed. Even Alexander's great grandfather called himself Greek. «Άνδρες Αθηναίοι… Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην γένος ειμί τω αρχαίον και αντ’ ελευθέρης δεδουλωμένην ουκ αν εθέλοιμι οράν τη Ελλάδα… Ειμί δε Αλέξανδρος ο Μακεδών.» (Ηρόδοτου Ιστορία, βιβλίο Θ’, 45). Athenian men, I wouldn't say these words if I didn't care a lot for all of Greece actually, because I am also a Greek from long time and I cannot bare watching Greece unfree instead of free. (my free translation) ( Herodotus book 9, 45). Greeks had the notion of the nation, they identified as Greeks. And for someone to compete in the Olympics as did Alexander's ancestors he had to go through Ελλανοδίκες (Greekness judges). They would investigate if the ancestry of someone is Greek and then let to participate to the Olympic Games.

[@Beforeaftershow]

Chuck Norris did also.

[@didleybo2047]

My man, your video has a couple of inaccuracies that would certainly infuriate modern Greeks. I ‘d suggest you double checked your facts here.

[@Rerp2000]

which ones? please explain

[@user-sc5iv2rp2t]

Greece is not a nation, is an idea. Everyone who speaks the language and adopts the ways, in all over the world can be Greek.

[@Goddessღ]

Fantastic presentation as always. This is certainly a interesting topic and you expertly explained it to us in a nice easy to understand way. Thanks for your work and your dedication to what you do!

[@nixter888]

Macedonia was not located in the modern country of FYROM but in Northern Greece.THAT'S THE REAL MACEDONIA, WHERE THE HISTORICAL CITIES OF PELLA AND VERGINA ARE! Enough of the distortion of history, and the stealing of the history and the dignity of the Greek people!

[@klementcuka8320]

nixter888 Pella - pela - the name of female horse in Albanian language . You try to still it but we know the truth The only language the ancient names of cities and gods have meaning is the Albanian language. You could steal our letters but you couldn't erase our language it's The only thing you cannot steal . Cuz that's what all you are Thieves and Proud.

[@xyzsing4038]

Klement Cuka albanians are muslims now.

[@turkoositerapsidi]

Kozovo Kosovo Košovo?

[@turkoositerapsidi]

@marios gianopoulos Ω

[@turkoositerapsidi]

@@istorries7681 Okei, I gues yo ar serbian, and that Љ = Л + Ь and кос is the bird species in serbian. For some reason tho today ther ar more albanians than serbians in Kosovo.

[@zachfox5969]

There is a modern theory about Alexander's death that seems to make quite a bit more sense than poisoning. Eyewitnesses stated that his corpse smelled pleasant (this was said about him during his lifetime) and it didn't decay for quite some time, even before mummification. The thought is that he was paralyzed, but very much alive (and possibly conscious) for a few days after he was declared dead. In other words, when his generals began squabbling over his domain, he may have heard this, been aware of it--and powerless to stop it.

[@venividivici9784]

I loved Greece because of Alexander the Great

[@miho5614]

Lol you heard from macedonians and you put greece hes known like macedonian lol t

[@clonehd9962]

MihoBro 55 Macedonia was a Northern Greek kingdom

[@johnk6071]

CLONE HD that’s right bud

[@katappa5478]

You forgot his last name, alexander the great idiot

[@kamalmemdali1774]

Greetings! I have recently come to learn about your great video clips - Just one word to describe your work - Astounding! Keep up the good work and I will for sure follow all your previous works also. More power to your hands [dastet dard nakone]

[@georgeserbezis4704]

fun fact: Many people thing ancient Greek laugange is dead but they really use words in their daily speech such as ''me'' which comes from the ancient Greek word ''ειμί'' (imi)

[@gg1275]

You seem to confuse the Slavs living today in Northern Macedonia with the Greek Macedonians, which was a Hellenic tribe living on the borders (and viewed with some degree of contempt by other Greek city states) Alexander originates from the Hellenic tribe. Slavs entered the Balkans centuries later.

[@greatgreekempirereunited7988]

GREEK ENDLESS GLORY !!!!!!

[@mhow4967]

Endless ? It was yesterday 🤣 British follows.

[@AS-vq3wt]

Ancient Greek history played only about 200 years. Since that time, Greeks have given the world nothing 😂 Pakistan has 10000 years of history. We are greater than you!

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

@@AS-vq3wt You have contributed little compared to the Greeks. Your tinpot country which most try and escape because it's so poor has only been around for 75 years. The Greeks their philosophy, mathematics, engineering, drama have been central to European culture. Greater than Greece. Another deluded idiot.

[@user-nm6jv8ki2u]

Pakistan was created 500 years ago

[@erictaylor5462]

It's not oftenm you learn something totally new on KZbin. Thank you.

[@alexkastrinakis3247]

As far as I have heard (at minute 2.00 of the video) you seem to have been mistaken, the heartland of ancient Macedonia was not connected to the new born state of the Republic of Macedonia. The Slavomacedonians, the inhabitants of this modern republic are geographically partially connected to the land of Macedonia. The region has been divided into three between Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece in 1913. Serbia, which controlled at that time what today is the Republic of Macedonia, gained approximately 39% of the region of Macedonia. 39% makes a little less than half the land called The Republic of Macedonia and the Slavomacedonians are not connected to the ancient Graecomacedonian culture and history.

[@giourkasliakosn434]

Long live the Pontic Greeks

[@nicolasyouroukos5069]

Is your name Giouroukos ? From Tripoli ?

[@theodoruspantelidis8738]

@Saitan Asker they cant let us live in pontus

[@sophitsa79]

@Saitan Asker I hope you get a life. Stop trolling

[@ai-kt3hy]

All greeks*

[@ai-kt3hy]

@ForMyPeople GR they are christian lazs not turks

[@mrmrssubstance]

We are "Nagars " a community that belives some of its DNA is decended from the Greeks mixed with Himalayan people who later came to live into Gujarat (wester border ) and have been science living in different parts of West India Wait I will post the wiki link for the community

[@mrmrssubstance]

www.nagar.org/community.html

[@axaygiri]

Theres not much about Nagars on wiki

[@mrmrssubstance]

Axaygiri Goswami someone edited it ..I posted a link from aht eamerican institute...will post another one

[@mrmrssubstance]

Axaygiri Goswami googleweblight.com/i?u=www.dashora.ca/notes/nagar-history.htm&grqid=ZlruIewK&hl=en-IN

[@mrmrssubstance]

whiny ass hahaha....

[@usmanshahid8277]

My family is from Pakistan, and my mom used to tell me a story in punjabi about a king who went to a barber and the barber discovered that the king had horns and it was like this whole musical rhyme thing, where the barber was scared to tell the king he knew he had horns... turns out that story is was derived from one of the scouts of alexander the great who was trying to get information from a local barber....its wild to me that in the lore of the culture 2000 years later there are still references. Also interesting why everyone has the last name "khan" in pakistan - from Genghis Khan's armies

[@dimitristsakalos1462]

"modern country of Macedonia" that made me laugh soooo much

[@MrChickenchow]

Greece is part of Macedonia

[@zorangesaft]

Genetically very simelar to bulgarian

[@Shagthegoat]

pay debts Grease

[@marianna642]

@@Shagthegoat have some class.

[@marianna642]

@@MrChickenchow actually Macedonia is a part of greece 🤷🏻‍♀

[@i.k.320]

Macedonia is a region of North Greece,the country North of Macedonia are mixed Albanians,Bulgarians and gypsies,nothing to do with the Ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia

[@miki638]

Haahahhah

[@Stanley_Ca.]

I can't wait to visit the second oldest city Thessaloniki in the Macedonia peninsula of Greece 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💙

[@greatgreekempirereunited7988]

Very soon the Great Greek Empire will be reunited

[@Stanley_Ca.]

@@bobancholich7693 We don't care what the heck your saying. Even if turkey attacks America and Britain will save us. By the way don't get jealous that your not from a country with a proud history. Go back to Yogoslavia.

[@cp12298]

Nah Pakistan won't let that happen and yeah India too lol

[@thanasis9701]

The ancient Greeks that settle in Ancient India formed the region of today's Punjab. Punjab means five rivers - from the Greek word Pentapotamia ( means five rivers too ) - ΠΕΝΤΑΠΟΤΑΜΙΑ .According to ancient scripts that area was named so, after Alexander conquered it. The Punjab people were always a mixture of Greeks and Arians ( Persians ). That's why those today's Punjab Indians are white skin. Do not forget that Alexander the Great was married an Afgani girl ( Roxane )but many of his soldiers and high rank officers married Persians and finally stayed there at Punjab for ever. So, together with the Kalasha of Pakistan, the Greeks by a way, still living today in Punjab and Pakistan.

[@Rhazes_Persia_Iran]

Roxane was not Afghani, she was from Sogdia (modern Uzbekistan). Roxana has nothing to do with Afghanistan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia#Hellenistic_period

[@Rhazes_Persia_Iran]

Roxana was a Sogdian woman, not Bactrian. And Bactrians are not Afghans too. Afghans (Pashtuns) are not Bactrians. Tajiks are Bactrians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks

[@Rhazes_Persia_Iran]

Afghans (Pashtuns) are not Bactrians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns#History_and_origins Again, Tajiks are Bactrians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks

[@lv2000]

RAFFAELLO SANZIO LOVES THAN ASIS THAN ASIS LOVES RAFFAELLO SANZIO

[@BeamRider100]

His rise came at the end of the Greek civil war, so they'd basically perfected military tactics of individual unit strengths by that time. Instead of all heavy infantry, he used calvary, heavy infantry and skirmishers in the right combo and on the battlefield.

[@1dorieas]

3:00 The lion on Alexander's helmet.... The royal family of Makedonia claimed to have Heracles (Hercules) as their ancestor. One of the 12 Labours of Hercules was the killing of Nemea lion. After this Hercules wear the lion's skin. Same way Alexander's family has a lion included in their emblems.

[@jyotirmayamohanty5723]

This is the reason why majority of Indians have surname as "Singh" means lion in Sanskrit.

[@jassys8633]

Being from the Punjab area, I can qualify to comment here. It maybe true that many Greeks who settled down in Indus Valley civilization continue to mix with natives. There is definitely some proof of that through history and scientifically. DNA testing has shown some traits of Greek ancestry in some people. Historically, it was initially mostly for political reasons that such nuptial arrangement were made; e.g. Chandragupta Maurya married Alexander’s daughter.

[@anikpramanik6631]

He married the daughter of selucus who was one of his generals not alexander

[@mariyabiswas3391]

Daughter of Seleucus.

[@Miuranger1]

Poor girl married a pajeet

[@polarisgemini52]

This is something I have been curious about (not enough to Google it up). I remember reading in school about how North western India had Indo Greek empires. I don't know what race they belonged to or how the two cultures interacted. There has been a surge in TV drama shows in India which contain ancient Greek characters which interact with Indians and participate in its politics but there history and drama is mixed up. Edit: What was the race of the Kushans? Were they Persians or Greeks? Or mixed?(alongwith locals)

[@QM571]

Chandan Bhowal Kushans were Eastern Iranic, like the Pashtuns.

[@jeyakumarnadarajah7657]

I have read somewhere that the Greek descendants are still living in Pakistani Kashmir area with the Greek culture, untouched by the other cultured people living in the South, in Pakistan.

[@penelopeeleni5383]

Some say that is the Kalash people. Google them. There are differing opinions about whether they come from the Ancient Hellenistic Greeks.

[@zedkhan4137]

Penelope Eleni it’s not the Kalash lol. They are purely aryan people, the only last remain are in north Punjab and kpk and not many at that

[@hoboplay6703]

Alexander's army was Macedonian,not Greek.

[@harpreetbhullar8556]

Wat a excellent amount of knowledge u hv!

[@Usera2324dfre]

Αλεξανδρος Αλεξάνδρα: (αλέξω: απομακρύνω + ανήρ), ο απωθών τους άνδρες, ο ανδρείος, σημαίνει ετυμολογικά «σπρώχνω τους ανθρώπους (εχθρούς)» In english ( excuse me) Is derives from / push away and man