What Happens When You Begin Questioning Everything?-

The following is a conversation that will provoke and, perhaps, unsettle some of you. With my friend George Poulos, we explore the perils of anchoring your self-worth on personal achievements and how operating like this is ingrained in us from a young age. We also explore the deeper meaning of crisis and what it can teach you about life. Whether you agree with us or not, I promise this is gonna make you think.
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Timestamps:
0:00:01 Intro
0:01:42 How A City is the reflection of Yourself
0:03:00 Grades and Growing Up
0:08:00 What does Spirituality Mean?
0:15:00 The pitfalls of language and labels
0:20:00 What does it mean to be present?
0:31:00 George's spiritual journey
0:50:00 How people debate and communicate
0:55:00 What is permanece, change and spirituality
1:00:00 How spirituality changed George's view of life
1:08:00 What is fear?
1:15:00 The importance of listening to our body
1:20:00 Outro
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[@georgepoulospodcast]

Such a pleasure sharing this conversation with you Nathaniel! ❤️

[@nobackupplan]

The feeling is mutual man. Thanks for the time.

[@giuseppevess]

That's why I love KZbin. I would never be able to have a conversation like this with the people around me. But hearing you speak about these topics make me feel like I'm a part of the conversation. Thank you guys! :)

[@PlumeMusique]

"We're not gonna be able to get rid of langage.. We might as well us it" ..Sums up well this enlightened conversation 🙌

[@lareekline8232]

I'm 71, fully believe in consciousness evolution, and you guys are proof of that. It's so refreshing to hear and see young people finding the path so early in life. Thanks for spreading the energy.

[@burgesssam]

any extra advices to give, having being blessed with the time you've lived through?

[@whyme3917]

I love deep conversations like this !❤

[@fuchserich95]

This was definitley my favourite episode so far! You guys touched on so many topics that I am currently dealing with in my life...thanks for that, I got some powerful insights here.

[@katy8792]

Parents setting goals and expectations for their children is a sign of love, helping them to learn that they can do more than they think and thereby instilling confidence in them in the long run. It is not about the high grades as much as it is pushing them to be their best and stretch to their highest potential.

[@notesbynoodles]

While the intention may be loving, sometimes poor implementation of this can lead to so many issues - self-esteem issues, strained parental-child relationships, a feeling of conditionality and trying worth to good grades etc. the intention should be paired with thoughtful implementation.

[@burgesssam]

such a difficult dance isn't it. wanting them to live fulfilling lives, but not wanting to damage their self-worth

[@notesbynoodles]

@@burgesssam absolutely

[@MinieAnne]

I personally don't really see that as a sign of love, and also parents shouldn't push they're agenda into their children what if your kids is perfectly happy were he is even though he can do better ..? 🤷‍♀️ Also, sometimes parents' expectations are not in touch with the real capacity of the kids and would push they limits to far. How many times I didn't listen my feeling and because I didn't want to disappointed my parents and now I regret I feel like I lost my time and I don't even know myself.

[@SanjaySkar]

This is so far my favorite episode of this podcast! And I had to share how happy it made me! There was visibly a genuineness to every little bits that came up in the conversation, and I felt like both of you are on the same page in terms of personal growth, although in whatever way it is different and unique for you. I am currently on a journey of acceptance and finding my identity, and this episode made me so happy. Not just that I could connect to everything you say, but it made me happy that I could see that every word came from heart. Also the guest was humble and graceful everytime he raised his opinions. I really liked how the conversation was so smooth and happened in a way both of you were not trying hard to actively keep it going (or trying to use big words to sound smart). I kind of missed this vibe in some previous episodes (and it is definitely just my own opinion). Congrats to Nathaniel for doing an awesome job at this. I love where this podcast is going. It's okay to be vulnerable, and it is okay to present your ideas as it is whether people think you're opinionated or not, and the world could have a bit more of that...

[@JohnlovesCinna]

What a wonderful podcast to come across today. Thank you Nathaniel and George for putting it all out there in your conversation. I had a lot of moments watching this podcast of feeling connected to you both. I am starting new things in my life and am in a transition period, so my egoic thoughts have been running a bit wild recently. It has been hard listening to myself and discovering what I want with life outside of the preconditioned thoughts I have. I started on my "spiritual journey" this year which been revolutionary for me, and I'm genuinely excited to keep diving into myself. Thank you for walking me home tonight.

[@Patatube]

Incredible and meaningful conversation. Thank you so much for sharing it with the world!

[@heatherannewright9193]

Nathan questions his self and reality in an honest way. Being honest with yourself is healthy. Thank you for sharing your journey.

[@jakeomara5024]

Would listen to 5 hours of this easy

[@svetlanatikhonova8741]

in my opinion this is your best podcast

[@marian.chelsea]

The concept of fearing God has always been an interesting one- growing up as a Catholic in a country where the majority is Catholic, I have always associated this as a great reverence and respect for God and never really questioned it, but as I grow older, I realize that this does not necessarily translate the same way to others. I think this kind of “fear” really more resonates with the acknowledgement of our littleness compared to the greatness that we behold God to be, alongside the Love present between us and God. We are moved to act for God not out of servile fear, but out of profound Love and respect for Him. Hope that makes sense :) I really appreciate you both discuss spirituality so openly; it gives me hope that fruitful discussions like these are still possible and that individuals who are welcoming and open-minded are still out there (unfortunately did not find much of them in university which is ironic, but that’s a whole different topic that I also appreciate you guys touching on for a bit). I wish you both well on this journey of seeking spiritual truth because after all, “…we are spiritual beings having a human experience” 🤍

[@yukinotdoit]

nathan, you always came across my youtube recommendations but i never gave your videos a chance. i think recently with the podcasts you are the most authentic i have seen you and that's gorgeous. i knew when you had the conversation with damon back in the days you said you were portraying this image on the internet, but being yourself is so much more valuable. for me, and most importantly (i hope) for you as well. thank you for these podcasts

[@midnightcoffeee]

This is such a wonderful and insightful conversation, definitely one of my favorite conversations so far!

[@vigarobugsbunni]

Yes! I went to an art school and yes the constant watching what you say was so present and I might even say abusive. It turns people into drones and the creativity and love and everything positive gets sucked out. I hope it changes soon especially for place like art school where I feel you should be able to be free to explore all types of conversation. Thank you, and no you are not alone!

[@dafne9969]

Thank you for spreading love with this amazing conversation! I find it so interesting that throughout this podcast I’m finding myself expanding my bubble of content creators that really intrigue me and inspire me through content creators that I already enjoy. In a way this is one of the things I’m most grateful for from this podcast, being able to expand the horizon of creators where I put my energy into that I walk away feeling like I’m expanding my inner awareness but also makes me feel like I’m meeting people that I feel connected to energetically.

[@somewhereatvinland]

I'm a bit relieved some of the questions that sometimes pop in my head are on the same track as others thoughts. Really nice episodes.

[@lucilecramail]

Thank you for sharing this deep conversation. It was simple, humble, vulnerable: a beautiful exploration!

[@brit331]

Loved this episode, i love all the woo woo stuff, but there’s something special about talking about spirituality in a very grounded way like this. It’s all so simple. It all comes back to love and the present moment

[@sydkotar]

"The spiritual journey unties your from the past. You start to embrace insecurity, exploration, and you're just more open. So I understand how that can be threatening to a partner who wants to feel very secure." WOW. This is so powerful to understand about the spiritual journey. To me, it's also this sense of presence, of knowing, of security within the unknowingness. Like it's totally okay not to know and at the same time know that the universe has got your back. Great interview, thank you all so much for showing up!!

[@sallybrennan7362]

Mate YES! Let’s have more conversations around functional spirituality, for the goodness sake of humanity and our precious Earth. Holding big questions, I love it. 👌🏽✨

[@burgesssam]

big questions and Earth gratitude, that's a combo i can get behinddd

[@missaliyah]

that book stack though!!!

[@rinadedhiya108]

This is one of the best deepest honest authentic conversations I have heard... please keep doing such ones... such a fine conversation... I loved every bit of this episode... definitely worth watching again .... ❤

[@ambykita]

Incredible interview... loved it all, ESPECIALLY the last 10 minutes. Amazing. Thank you!

[@edita366]

Wow, just wow... What a powerful conversation... Thank you for this🙏

[@tialdavanderwal8641]

Ahhhh Im enjoying your podcast so much! I feel in my body this sense of lightness and spaciousness every time after listening. Thanks so much for putting in the energy!

[@ambykita]

yes!!!!!!!

[@cindyrosen8170]

Awesome episode!

[@jowens197]

This is a Christian quote that i heard about fear of God: "Fear of God is different from fear - it is an awe of God that begets constant submission through humility and faith" Very thought provoking discussion

[@Ankesadventures]

I agree. I never saw it as actual fear, more as a respect that comes from realizing his greatness. Awe and wonder is a good word. Similarly as when youre looking at a night sky and feel very small but in a good way

[@jowens197]

@@Ankesadventures Yeah, I view it that way too. It may not be something that's understood outside of the Christian context, but it's a deep respect for God and the life given.

[@samyepthatsme]

Interesting takes!

[@VeraGolosovaArt]

Thank you for this amazing conversation, Nathaniel and George, it is indeed very uncomfortable and cringy to talk deeply and openly about spirituality. I loved how graciously you did it. I changed my habitat from 15 mln city to 1k village, so George's idea that living slow life in a big city is a matter of perception and what a person is looking for. I will definitely think more about it as I am not sure I will be able to get on living in this village no matter how much I love it. So I hope I will be able to preserve the slowness. "It is hard for the ego to be wrong" - that is definitely going to my journal. Thank you!

[@josuealan]

beautiful

[@esjen123]

I liked his description of happy as aliveness which is a feeling I try to find as much as possible by living spontaneously, intuitive and opening myself up to new people/situations or adapting to contexts. And yes I also agree somewhat on richness which I see as a lot of little things that aren't little which add great value to day to day life (a smile from someone, inside jokes or an interesting discourse just to nam a few) but one thing that popped up when you said richness was also that you could get overwhelmed when there is too much going on, too much to think about, too much to process etc. I don't know. Interesting stuff to wonder about...

[@ankitshukla1927]

Thankyou for this podcast ❤ It's different from whole utube videos & guys like you needed more in society . I can relate you whatever you're saying...🙌 I hope to meet you someday in my life.

[@burgesssam]

i'm grateful we get to listen to these too

[@melaniecarrigy]

Thanks Nathaniel for putting this out into the world, very interesting conversation about spirituality and creativity. Those light refractions around the second half gave me chills

[@meriemgirl1308]

It was a great podcast, so hearing your spiritual believes as a muslim made me want to clarify and explain some points that you’re not understanding, so if you’re interested on understanding islam i think it would be great if you have a conversation or listen to muslims who have great knowledge abt the religion, i suggest (dr. Haitham Talaat) he does have videos translated in English.

[@burgesssam]

deep deep down we are all the same

[@wildhorses6817]

Nathaniel, what are your favorite spiritual and self help / growth types of Books. I am very interested. what people you find very helpful. Ester Pattel, Jack Kornfield, Eckhart Tolle , any others? I like James Bugental , Irvin Yalom and other great psychologists. I studied Psycholigy and enjoy it yet I think it has failed its purpose greatly. It must evolve .

[@tubbyrainbow111]

How old are you dude? This is convo is wise af

[@iragbag]

Loved the episode and the conversation was so insightful. Feedback: Broke out of the magic when you kept saying “it’s out there”. If we are 50min into you pod then it’s not really out there ✌️

[@niginabonuqochchiyeva-rs2yc]

❤❤

[@Systidea]

❤

[@elitzacraig9806]

How do we know what is evil if there is no such thing as right or good if there is not a standard?

[@dorottyajakab-gyik]

Why is the quality limited at 360p?

[@eva.ieridou]

had the same question!

[@elkoussamihaitem9215]

Was about to ask as well! lol

[@irisolympia]

aweee pocket ❤️ rest easy kitty cat

[@loveandhappinesswithsheila]

@12:15 There is the question “How come there be good and bad when we’re all connected “ In my opinion base on my faith - I have come to this realization that we were all born to live in unity and to support and serve one another so we can create “Heaven on earth “ so to me anything we do that harms another or imposes on someone else happiness and humanity is bad” . because it goes against evolution - and the reason why we were sent here. . I think greed and the need for power and control, took us off our path of living in harmony… . we were all thought how to sin-Sin is anything we do that goes against the code of the universe “ look up the seven deadly sin and you realize how these sins plays a role in why our society is the way it is. . Yes we are all sinners because we were thought to sin from a very young age. . However, that was not the original plan for us. We were meant to live in love, not fear, greed, or consumerism”which to me is another for of gluttony . I think those of us that are awakening are being called to live in love. …and before we can all do that “using your analogy of crack in the foundation and seeing through the clouds “ I believe the old foundation or clouds must be removed so the full light can come through the crack . the clouds are the illusions we’ve been fed in the past -so yes those false illusions must be removed so we can see the entire sky-So we can can back to the original plan. . To live in LOVE

[@yarlinarreola2573]

I found this podcast episode to be quite intriguing. The initial conversation was compelling, but it gradually lost momentum as it progressed. I wish there had been more input from George, as it seemed like he had a captivating story to share that kept getting interrupted. It's possible that the editing or the desire to cater to a broader audience by using cautious language hindered the flow of the conversation. Additionally, some of the digressions on the sidelines felt unnecessary and occasionally awkward. Personally, I believe it would have been beneficial to give George more of a spotlight, as his unique story and journey could have resonated with a different demographic.

[@Andromeda-mu3yf]

Nathaniel una herramienta muy útil en ese viaje interior es el Eneagrama. Debido a nuestro complejo proceso de evolución psicológica, desde el día en que nacemos nos vamos desconectando y enajenando del ser (esencia), el cual queda sepultado durante nuestra infancia por el «ego». Así es como perdemos, a su vez, el contacto con la felicidad, la paz interior y el amor que forman parte de nuestra verdadera naturaleza. Y, como consecuencia, empezamos a padecer una sensación de vacío e insatisfacción crónicos. El ego es nuestro instinto de supervivencia emocional. No en vano, el ego es la distorsión de nuestra esencia, una identidad ilusoria que sepulta lo que somos verdaderamente. Es como un escudo protector, cuya función consiste en protegernos del abismo emocional que supone no poder valernos ni sobrevivir por nosotros mismos durante nuestra vida. El ego también es la máscara que hemos ido creando con creencias de segunda mano para adaptarnos al entorno social y económico en el que hemos nacido y nos hemos desarrollado. Así, el ego nos lleva a construir un personaje con el que interactuar en el gran teatro de la sociedad. Y no sólo está hecho de creencias erróneas, limitantes y falsas acerca de quiénes verdaderamente somos sino también de miedos, inseguridades, carencias, complejos, frustraciones, miserias, traumas y heridas. Sólo a través del autoconocimiento podemos correr el velo del ego y recuperar nuestra esencia, podemos volver a ser quien realmente éramos, antes de que nos dijeran quiénes teníamos que ser. Excelente episodio!

[@wildhorses6817]

Alot if the harmful actions are from mental illness, brain illness. Despite being harmful, and perhaps requiring prison or psychiatric hospitalization, it is not Sin.. It is Disease, sometimes the Disease of Hate also. Suffering and vausing Suffering.

[@katy8792]

God-fearing means to highly respect.

[@lydia2494]

Perhaps an someone will relate, but at the point where a person speaks about the philosophy of their life and mentions good relationships with parents, they lost me. I noticed that conversations with those who didn't have a family or were brought up in difficult family situations are different, and some parts are naturally skipped. The saddest thing to release - adults who live having healthy family relationships are more psychologically stable what leads to more success in life.

[@oldasrocks9121]

Sounds like neither of you have had run ins with truly bad people much less had a truly bad person do something truly bad to you.

[@robertmaxa6631]

"God" , "being the best possible friend"? The "God" of the old testament, was a very angry, vengeful, and spiteful"God".

[@nicholeramos9471]

Intuitive men^2 ❤️‍🩹