What if Illidan defeated Arthas? - WoW Lore Speculation?

What would happen had Illidan beaten Arthas in that duel at ICC?
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We all know how the Illidan vs Arthas duel ended, with Illidan wounded and Arthas as the Lich King. At the time this didn't seem like a really big event but as World of Warcraft had progressed it is obvious that this duel changed the entire world.
So in this video, I cover the lore behind this very briefly and then I speculate on what would happen had Illidan beaten Arthas. Could Illidan become the Lich King, would there be no Lich King or would we have reached the Shadowlands sooner?
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[@Doronsmovies]

What do you guys think would be the significance if Illidan had won this duel? Also, check out the second channel if you haven't by now, relaunching right as 2020 begins.bit.ly/SecondChannelDoron

[@maledwarfwarrior]

After the merging of arthas and nerzul the scourge underwent a period of consolidation, R&D, and construction. Without this event, the Knights of The Ebon Blade never form. This is actually very bad for azeroth as their theft of apocalypse and the maw were very important. A new generation of dark riders could cripple the eastern kingdoms, as even knock-off deathknights can be devastating to a unprepared population. But more importantly, the maw and it's creator being unleashed onto azeroth would be a serious problem. The only reason it was successfully stolen was a surprise smash & grab on a demonworld. If the legion could take the initiative, it would result in a lot of dead heroes.

[@neverplayfair5321]

Illidan would absorb the Lich Kings Power and use it against the burning Legion. I mean, it would make sense right?

[@HimanshuKumar-do8ri]

And I love your voice

[@Avatarbee]

Illidan could not have worn the crown. His giant horns are in the way.

[@Avatarbee]

@Lalrivunga Hnamte Never! Those horns make him really popular with the ladies.

[@L4MIKAZ3]

Avatarbee no!!! Those horns are for one lady. And that is Lady Tyrande.

[@heiscalledinvinciblenotinv68]

that leaves disenchantment

[@POPCATthe3rd]

@@L4MIKAZ3 "Me so horned,me hurt you long time"illidan to tyrands

[@lazartasev2496]

Imagine Kael'thas coming back to plaguelands and killing Garithos.

[@sauronmordor7494]

:)

[@edmundprice5276]

will he do it with nothing but sticks and harsh language

[@sauronmordor7494]

@@edmundprice5276 ok

[@adamk8073]

Garithos was dead by this point.

[@sauronmordor7494]

@@adamk8073 :)

[@TheDeviljohngr]

Illidan wouldn't be chilling with the pantheon right now, although I think it's not the last we have heard of him, kinda hope Tyrante will appreciate his sacrifice now that she is in the same situation now.

[@misterbryton1213]

Honestly, Azeroth would probably have been a better place overall. We would have had a lot more fighters for other events like Bolvar and Saurfang.

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Wouldn't illidan decide to be the new lich king instead though? I mean his plan was to detroy the skull of gul'dan and he ended up taking the power for his own

[@VaDeRbLaDe]

@@finnheisenheim8274 I wonder if he absorbed the power if he could then control the scourge just from that. Pretty much nobody can absorb power like Illidan can so you never know.

[@efaristi9737]

Honestly, that some of the races like the Blood Elves still exist and are capable to fight after everything they went through is a miracle.

[@J10005]

Illidan's army could become a legit superpower that can fight against the legion with the Illidari at full strength in Outworld allied with the scourge on Azeroth.

[@J10005]

@Silmarillion Sargeras The Scourge assimilated to the full strength illdari would be a very effective fighting force to fight the legion. It'd help a lot as well if Illidan uses his power to leverage an alliance with the forces of Outworld and Azeroth. It would have made fighting the legion much more easier.

[@J10005]

@Irfan Alddin Sargeras is WAY more powerful than Kli'Jaeden. At the very least he's a casual planet buster without any power boosts like Illidan. Only reason we won in legion is because the Titans locked him out for us. Still though a Super Faction if the Scourge and Illidari dedicating it's resources to defeat the legion and protect Azeroth would have been very helpful against the legion. I can just imagine a shit ton of demon hunters and death knights just taking out the top commanders while a bunch of fel orcs and undead attacking their armies while necromancer's bringing them back to life when some of them die

[@J10005]

@Irfan Alddin We beat up a featless newborn infant titan that was unnaturally born, was tortured for thousands of years and had a good chunk of it's power absorbed to fuel the burning legions army. We also had super-weapons that had enough power to neutralize a planet busting weapon so it's not really a decent comparison to Sargeras. The heroes of azeroth were at their absolute peak against Argus and even than we still needed the Titans help to defeat it while it kept on killing us despite its hindrances. The only time planet busting feat we saw from someone with planet busting capabilities that weren't named Deathwing and Sargeras was Illidan and that was with a big power boost. The best feat from Malfurion was at best city buster and even than he's kind of a glass cannon since a normal warrior like Saurfang has the capability to kill him.

[@BruceCruce]

@@J10005 well your both right and wrong here really, the ''newborn'' titan was actually pritty old, since he was working in kitchens in 1993 under the famous chef gordon ramsay, and as late as 1991 was on a rescue mission to find mankriks wife, wich allready makes him quite old, and also some would say even stronger then sergeras himself, or herself i guess (since the sex change) im not sure how they would fare in a battle though, with sergeras having the power amp of legolas bow and gimlis axe, this is not to say the younger titan of the two is whitout chance, he also has smelled the blood of his enemies in the great war of narnia where he killed the wickid frost witch, ah anyway, a lot could happen.

[@mykaelnyx8821]

I don't think he can become the Lich King, since he has those huge honking horns on top of his head. Unless the helm can somehow shape and remold itself, but I don't recall ever hearing about that in the lore.

[@TheTeKuZa]

Illidan cannot wear the helmet, unless he goes Hellboy mode

[@justinedc1077]

What if Illidan defeat Arthas and succesfully destroyed the Frozen Throne? (Disregarding the ridiculous modern facttor of that stupid Shadowlands purgatory thing realm of WoW). If Illidan had destroyed the Lich King, there are ONLY 2 logical outcomes in the story: 1. Kil'jaeden would grant Illidan his just reward as said in their ONE TIME DEAL. Illidan would most like ask for more power and magic for him and his loyal minions, and in the end, Illidan would BETRAY Kil'jaeden and fight the Burning Legion since Illidan is NOT and WILL NEVER BE a pure willing agent for the Legion. 2. Kil'jaeden would BETRAY Illidan and never grant him his "promised" reward. (Well what else can be expected from a demon anyway?). Kil'jaeden would have just treated Illidan the same way as Ner'zhul, just a pawn that is a means to end. You really think Kil'jaeden would fully trust Illidan, the BETRAYER, especially after Illidan just defeated Magtheridon and conquered Outland for his own.

[@user-vq9qg3nt4r]

a world without sylvanas would be interessitng

[@ashoush85]

Or with Sylvanas as a ranger general

[@prehistoricplayer1132]

@@ashoush85 sylvanas was already a banshee before the battle between arthas and Illidan.

[@ogikay7056]

mohamed ashoush Just like Lorthemar she would lead the blood elves.

[@namnguyenphuong2610]

@@prehistoricplayer1132 if so then she'd actually in her existence crisis... again... cuz the reason she led the forsaken at 1st is to kill ya boi Arthas.

[@bloodrage6376]

Wrath of the Illidari

[@IM4fLEX]

Wrath of the Betrayed.

[@RotmgTrollerFan]

Then the best expansion wouldn’t exist.

[@devincampbell5007]

You mean TBC or Legion?

[@undeadwarlock5861]

He means wrath of the lich king, But those will also be prevented

[@MrPeaceFroggy]

@@devincampbell5007 TBC lorewise was horseshit

[@devincampbell5007]

@@MrPeaceFroggy Just like how Terenas Menethil's words "There must always be a Lich King" were horseshit lorewise

[@randomwiseguyonyoutube7406]

@@devincampbell5007 we will see

[@gabrielaarons6102]

Imagine an very powerful being such as Illidan, becoming the Lich King. The most powerful Demon Hunter plus the most powerful Death Knight.

[@fredericocruz2696]

Hey doron I really apreciate ur job 🙌💪

[@BlueLightningSky]

What was Illidan's plan? Help the Burning Legion become stronger then betray them? He must have been planning to become the Lich King.

[@marcioa1811]

I love "What if..." videos!

[@KeepitABuck50]

I've wondered for a long time why Blizzard never explored this. They could have Illidan rise and become crazy strong with undead Naga and then have Arthas turn back into a hero for a time. Illidan would become his mortal enemy and again become the hero that would do anything to protect his people. They could effectively bring Arthas Lich King back, even more powerful than he was before! Let's be honest, Arthas was always the best villain.

[@lionsinofprideescanor8709]

If Illidan defeats Arthas then the Lich King would only be a dungeon boss instead of a raid boss lol

[@soulkeeper6634]

5:21 i've seen this house in Vikendi :V

[@Lichdemonz]

I'm gonna have to instantly debunk the second theory of Illidan choosing to become the Lich King... He couldn't have put on the helmet because of his horns. :P

[@lucifermorningstar2766]

There is an issue about Illidan putting on the crown, how would it fit with the massive horns on his head?

[@finnheisenheim8274]

And thats why sylvanas destroyed the helm of domination

[@VaDeRbLaDe]

I wonder if he absorbed the power if he could then control the scourge just from that. Pretty much nobody can absorb power like Illidan can so you never know.

[@newfacepaula]

there will be no Horde vs Alliance... but Old Gods vs Burning Legion instead.

[@xPepe1310]

well he lost because he didnt take arthas seriously. realistically he beats arthas 9/10 times

[@kagekurasu3579]

if illidan beat arthas I wouldn't have to read so many damn His Horns ArE ToO BiG HuHuhU

[@efaristi9737]

1:18 Yeah, Azeroth would have greatly suffered that day without Malfurion. 2:18 Funny how we didn't get that impression before. He was literally just a weak-minded magic addict in Warcraft III. 4:19 Him and severals peoples from the Alliance and the Horde. 4:30 I thought Velen and the Draeneis left after the Orcs tried to genocide them ? 5:10 A ten thoussand years old demon hunter who couldn't even beat a 30/40 year old human whoses powers were weakened by the melting of Northender. Pretty pathetic in my opinion.

[@SirJorb]

If there was no Northrend campaign, then we'd have never found out about Yogg-Saron, meaning either he'd gain much more power, or if Loken was still to die somehow, Azeroth would get re-originated and we'd all die.

[@wolfspirit7733]

I think the whole story of WoW would be a lot cooler if Illidan Won honestly. He is a 10k year old Night Elf duelist, and he should have won that fight...

[@darkseidofapokolips9796]

No doubt Illidan could overpower Nerzhul. His mind is far stronger than Arthas'.

[@Lordknight13]

But would the helm fit Illidan along with his horns ?🤔🤔🤔

[@azgarzir3010]

And here I was trying to make a fanfiction or a wc3 campaign out of this what-if.

[@allensullera1565]

Lalrivunga Hnamte arthas did nothing wrong

[@allensullera1565]

Lalrivunga Hnamte arthas did nothing wrong the lich king did those things basically

[@allensullera1565]

Lalrivunga Hnamte he basically did control arthas because the lich king had such a massive influence on him

[@allensullera1565]

Lalrivunga Hnamte well ok but garrosh did nothing wrong

[@lynnusuk2092]

Allen Sullera true long live the true warchief of the horde

[@Rad-Soup]

Iliidan would the helm of domination. The illidari and the scourge together? They could control the galaxy

[@beauvsb5230]

Him wearing the crown is impossible, it will not fit in his head because of his horns so that option is out of question. 😂

[@moayadalnezami7386]

More of this videos please ❤❤😊😊

[@niftykillswitch99]

What if illidan had stuck with the path of a mage alongside the ravencrests instead of becoming a double agent demon Hunter

[@juanyang838]

Sylvanas free because Illidan tried to destroy the Lich King using the eye of Sargeras. I think Sylvanas and Illidan would met if he destroyed the crown.

[@saimyintmyat9373]

And they married and have a child.

[@saimyintmyat9373]

@Mr Bleach Oh... You right haha. World of warcraft War Of Waifus 🤣🤣

[@stevemarcosunny3916]

how could illidan lost to arthas? I mean arthas only has frostmourne while illidan has 10 thousand years of magic, martial arts, swordsmanship, ability to fly, physically faster and stronger. It doesnt make any sense at all.

[@MesiasMark]

bad writing

[@thehermit8723]

He should have destroyed Nerzul and remained Kiljaiden's bitch, simple...

[@Cofimaslisa]

I think somehow Kil'Jaeden would vapourize the Crown without opening shadowlands.

[@Mrcryptidsarereal]

Ughhh I don't even want to think about that shit with the Shadowlands because that wasn't even part of the lore back in the era of TFT.

[@georgelakoumentas9862]

Gotta say, I love your video ideas, but there tend to be big lore inaccuracies within your videos. For example on 4:25 you say the thing about the draenei, but the draenei were driven out by the orcs decades before the warcraft 3 events

[@Doronsmovies]

I was talking about them finally escaping which was triggered by the blood elf interference.

[@georgelakoumentas9862]

@@Doronsmovies I can't really recall any blood elf involvement in that storyline, what is it excactly they did?

[@Metalblader83]

Best thing would've been: no sylvanas as warchief

[@dixtir69]

I wish for demon hunter race lol

[@purpletylenol7787]

Hell, im from the future to tell you WE HAVE

[@Lichdemonz]

Lord Illidan knows *de wae.*

[@Jarikraider]

Video starts at 2:30

[@mr.authentic2505]

And to think the Jailer was helping him all the time...huh this is why Illidan never lost .FYI The jailer created the lich king not Kiljaeden

[@ashoush85]

Well , Illidan would have killed KJ not served him Sylvanas would have remained a ranger general ( better )

[@jeds2245]

Not likely, sylvanas would be dead by then

[@ashoush85]

@@jeds2245 I meant if he succeeded with the eye of Sergares spell not that fight with Arthas

[@DylanJo123]

@@ashoush85 youre a bit off topic dude

[@ashoush85]

@Lalrivunga Hnamte Illidan tried to use the eye before that , the whole campaign ended before arthas began his pursuit of the the frozen throne I believe

[@saimyintmyat9373]

@@ashoush85 You don't play wc3 ? Your wow noobish disgusted me.

[@blueclaws9894]

This needs more research and time invested. Not enough consequences were explored. Sylvanas' story may have taken a drastic change, affecting the Horde and the entire world. Exploring all these crazy possibilities is what makes these "what if" videos fun. Leaving it to just, "It's too complicated," is something anybody can say. Please expand upon this video. It doesn't seem like you did justice to the topic.

[@lamaahruloma4270]

Imagine Kael and Illidan meeting Sylvanas and the Forsaken before their way to the Northrend. Three crazy elven warriors hating Arthas and don't forget the Naga.

[@Skollshorties]

Yogg-saron would've been able to escape and a cause a lot more devastation with no real reason to go to Northrend. Likely meaning we'd have gotten a freed Old God at full power much sooner than we have now with N'zoth.

[@kwstasmenths1302]

what if evil wins and no more heroes will be in this world....? YOU DONT WANT TO SEE THAT but in kids games i dont care....

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

How did Illidan survive in Outland, considering his failure to kill the Lich King?

[@ocab9589]

based

[@mcmerry2846]

Illidan should have won

[@SirMcAwesome]

Illidan was easily winning but Arthas somehow managed to slice through an opening? What? Is this described somewhere in an official story or is that just pure fan bias for Illidan, because that's not how it seemed at all to me. Arthas the death knight and Illidan were quite evenly matched. Illidan might have had an edge since becoming part demon but the fight still seemed pretty close to me. Demon powers or not, frostmourne held a huge portion of the Lich kings power.

[@zerefsunlimitedshipworks]

It was as close as 2000's Florida.

[@RavenHUHable]

it's from the arthas book

[@BigHeadClan]

As Raven said it was decribed in far greater detail in the book, the original WC3 cinematic was never actually completed in the way Blizzard had wanted due to deadlines with the Frozen Throne expansion. Illidan was able to force Arthas to his knees with a simple spell and was toying with him, but when he decided to swap to melee combat he underestimated Arthas and Nerzule poured all of his power into Arthas/FrostMourn at the last second allowing him to over-come Illidan.

[@SirMcAwesome]

@@BigHeadClan an ok, that's fair, I never touched on that book. I assumed since they were even when Illidan was pre skull of gul dan and based on the cinematic, that it was a close fight.

[@BigHeadClan]

@@SirMcAwesome No problem sir it's a pretty common misconception, wc3 reforged was supposed to fix that but well.. It was a steaming pile. Ha

[@salesiteisina7098]

Lol what if. Good thing we all know pre lich king arthas solo'd demon empowered Illidan. Should make a video what if Kil'jaeden killed Illidan when he found him hiding in outland instead of giving him another chance at pre lich king arthas.

[@rurrry]

Lol all of you are talking about the lore, while I'm in the starting zone looking up how to equip my gear XD

[@fphanvonvanguards248]

Second (tbh I just want a heart from dorons)