What if England Conquered France? (Alternative History)

#history #alternatehistory #animated #army #england #english #map #france #victoria3 #eu4 #ck3 #french #europe
Discord: / discord
The rivalry between England and France defined the geopolitics of Western Europe and even the entire planet for centuries. The battle for global domination between these two mighty empires would be the catalyst for countless wars. For this reason it is worth looking back to when this rivalry began. And to where it almost ended before it could even start. The 100 years war. When the crowns of England and France were almost unified under one man. Today we ask, what if Edward the third of England was successful in his conquest of France, pressing his claim to the crown of france and unifying the two kingdoms. What if England had conquered france.
Music Used:
"Lands" by ‪@alexproductionsnocopyright‬ - • ⚗️ Medieval & Celtic (...
"Village Consort" - • Medieval Song Village ...
"Alexander Nakarada - Towards The Horizon" is under a Creative Commons (CC-BY 3.0) license
Music promoted by BreakingCopyright: bit.ly/bkc-towards

[@ThatAnnoyingAmerican]

Want to suggest a scenario? Join the discord today! discord.gg/aAN7aUZ3SW

[@theausteregentleman4622]

The link is invalid, sorry pal.

[@ThatAnnoyingAmerican]

@@theausteregentleman4622 fixed! thank you!

[@stargazer-elite]

Us Americans would likely be speaking French lol

[@JTL1776]

@@ThatAnnoyingAmerican Please do a 2 part series. Part 1. What if America settled its colonies Liberia, Cuba and the Philippines? Part 2. What if America took the Baja and Yucatan peninsula's during the mexican american war.

[@Shoshua1]

what is germany failed to unite under otto von Bismarc?

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Damn, England got the Welsh treatment.

[@sagittariusa7662]

Interesting that the Crown Prince of France might be called the Prince of England.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

England losing the war ironically saved England. The Plantagenet dynasty would of made Paris the capital and Gallicized England. England would be a larger corsica by analogy

[@adamskeans2515]

and why would they have?

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@adamskeans2515 the Start of the 100 years war was a ethnic French dynastic war. The end of the war was a Anglo-Saxon separatist struggle. Ultimately if the Plantagenets won, elites from smaller nations make their court into the larger country.

[@adamskeans2515]

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 thank you, you made the claim without giving any reason. I would only counter that history and people are weird, you can only say it would be likely, not that it would definitely happen this.

[@cgyoboi]

ironic that if England conquered France than France would be the dominate kingdom

[@ThatAnnoyingAmerican]

truly!

[@stargazer-elite]

Idk why but that’s still hard to wrap my head around lol

[@jackdonnelly3421]

Seems more fitting to make England a bastion of power while France becomes the probe to possible expansion and subjugation of weaker European powers at said times.

[@bobbyskeet2118]

​@@stargazer-eliteculture

[@cgyoboi]

@@stargazer-elite think its cos if you're in control of a romance speaking country you can claim to be Rome, like France, Spain, i think Portugal, and Italy all have.

[@frostbtw7819]

Interesting idea, Usually when youtubers do a "what if England won the Hundred years war" timeline it starts with John of Arc never saving the siege of Orleans (at least from what I have seen), so having a timeline start with Edward the third Conquering France instead is an interesting way to change it up.

[@aaronTGP_3756]

The other common POD is Henry V surviving.

[@gabe5819]

Loving this content! Keep it up and you will reach 1 million subs!

[@benjaminobienu5297]

That is a fantastic video, Mr. TAA1. With England and France united, we could mostly see a more enormous British Empire but more imperial with the Plantagents invading Germany and expanding into some territories. I still have some questions so far. Why there be an Emperor of the Agvein Empire with both England and France united? Because in our original timeline with the British Isles united, some nobles in the British parliament suggested a British Emperor should be. However, George III declined the offer because he wanted to keep the tradition of being king. I could imagine the Agevin Kingdom becoming the Angevin Empire with the conquest of Scotland and Ireland being into England and France's hands much earlier. There would be an Agevin Emperor, and seeing an imperial dynasty rival Hapburgs would be fascinating. Also, could the Agvein Empire could invade Iberia before Spain was united, for there are some alternate history videos where the Plantagents expanded their realms into Spain with the Spanish Hapburgs went extinct, and could the Angevin Empire use that opportunity to invade Iberia not being united. But so far, this is an excellent alternate history video, my friend, and please keep up the great work and always look on the bright side and never sight of who you are! I would love to see a part of this, for I wanted to know how this empire did well in the modern century.

[@tannerdoyle7535]

Love it!

[@teamUproar1]

Banging!

[@SuperCelio456]

Oml it's literally the DUAL MONARCHY 🤨📸

[@andrefasching1332]

Dual Monarchy found on wish

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

England was well on its way of Gallicizing under Plantagenet rule. Just didn't finished because the decline of Plantagenet holdings in France and less French recruits and nobles utilized. England had large French cultural influence and immigration, if England and France was the same country, England would be as apart of France as Corsica is. And perhaps the rest of British isles.

[@siyacer]

Would be an interesting relationship

[@werty21100]

If anything France would have been more powerful with the British isles under her thumb 👍 if they lost the century war which is ironic lol 😂 😊

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@werty21100 yea but we shouldn't lose our anglo-saxon culture entirely

[@strasbourgeois1]

Could possibly be the best and worst thing for France.

[@Fractureise]

It may have united the french and English people. The french against the monarchy because its a monarchy and the English against the monarchy because its french

[@LDiCesare]

There's a problem with your Habsburg scenario. The Habsburgs inherited Flanders through the Burgundian inheritance. The Duchy of Burgundy was created by the son of the imprisoned king of France, Jean II. With Edward III becoming king of France, Philip wouldn't have been able to secure marriage with the Flemish count's daughter in 1369, who had to have the French king help him suppress Flemish revolts. Thus the Habsburgs and the Burgundian duchy wouldn't have existed. Meaning the Habsburgs wouldn't have owned the richest place on the continent (Flanders). This would have been the first, and most important in my opinion, impact of Edward III winning the war. Flanders were technically part of the French kingdom, and tied to the English by trade. They would have remained French under your premise. Basically, it's unlikely that the Netherlands would ever have existed and they played quite a major role in the world.

[@benjaminobienu5297]

Here is an exciting idea for a future alternate history scenario that is original and nobody has done before: What if the Ottomans under Selim I, known as the Grim, had conquered and annexed all of Persia? Seilm the First was considered a good leader, the best Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, and a well-military commander, but he was a short-lived and fierce adversary towards the Sasfvaids who ruled Persia. If Seilm the First had lived, could he lead a campaign to invade Persia, and if the Ottomans had been successfully conquering Persia, what would change significantly, and how this impact the Ottoman Empire with Perisa now as part of their new province? Would it be possible for Beys to govern Persia, how mighty would the Ottoman Empire be with the annexation of Perisa, and what would they do in the future? What do you think of that idea, Mr. That Annoying American 1? What are your thoughts, opinions, and comments about this idea?

[@TheMarianadealmeida]

I think people consider suliman the magnificent as the best sultan of the ottomans

[@googs8869]

No impossible

[@TypoKnig]

Nicely done! Yours is a similar point of departure to the Lord Darcy stories by Randall Garrett - a fun series of whodunits set in an alternate timeline where the Plantagenets rules a united France & England en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Darcy_(character)?wprov=sfti1

[@Leon-bc8hm]

This would seriously ruin all my Total War saved games.

[@MetalMailman35]

The ramifications of this would be insane, just for the blatant fact that house Tudor where one of the main driving forces behind the industrial revolution, starting with king henry 8th, for all his faults.

[@mappingshaman5280]

Whats most likely is eventually something like what happened with britain and hannover would happen, where different succession laws would split the kingdoms. Matter of fact it's extremely likely that this would happen the exact same way as with Britain and hannover, especially if the wars of the roses still happens and the tudor dynasty comes to power, as this could easily lead to mary the first inheriting england and some distant male relative inheriting france.

[@deadpan2866]

this is how all my england games go when i get a personal union with france, i always end up in war with spain.

[@ghostyghost8318]

For a second i thought this was just a repost of a ancient alternatehistoryhub video

[@lerneanlion]

Wait! So whatever happened to the Plantagenet-Ottoman alliance? After all, if the Habsburg Monarchy did win and tear England off from the Plantagenets, it means the King of the Plantagenet at the time needed to seek an alliance with the Ottoman Sultan in Constantinople to counter their advance.

[@JTL1776]

Please do a 2 part series. Part 1. What if America settled its colonies Liberia, Cuba and the Philippines? Part 2. What if America took the Baja and Yucatan peninsula's during the mexican american war.

[@rennerpetey]

Just play Victoria III and do that. Bros got colonialism brain. Fashy genocide alternative history is not what we need lol

[@Pebble3007]

Richard II only became King because the Black Prince (Edward III's heir and his father) died early. He could still survive and become King. Also read Terry Jones' The murder of Chaucer and it revised my view of Richard II.

[@Vic2_over_Vic3]

Its a divergences of darkness reference

[@LightK_I_R_A]

Do a video on Bulgaria

[@nickgaschler5828]

while i like this, i find it unlikely that england becomes a satellite kingdom. by the time of edward iii, a national identity was already forged with a more english flavor to it through edward i and iii. while i don’t think it changes the early outcomes, i think it equalizes the two realms a bit more which opens up a pathway to eventual english independence especially if the court centers in Paris. i’d say the best way england stays as a satellite realm is if the plantagenet empire solidifies under Henry I in the late 12th century and defeats the House of Capet edit: there is also a chance a more northern european ethnic identity in the anglo-saxon group emphasizes with the Reformation more due to language. English is not a Romance language the way French is and I think that would make England more Protestant than a Plantagenet Empire

[@Merluch]

Now the opposite: what if britain and france caused world war one due to the fashoda incident?

[@lordeveigar]

Interesting

[@spaghettiking7312]

What if France conquered England?

[@sagittariusa7662]

This is if France conquered England. The English Nobility were French and would had made France their official Kingdom with England as some annexed state tied to France. It is literally no different than if France conquered England.

[@spaghettiking7312]

@@sagittariusa7662 I know, that's why it's funny.

[@lirisa1869]

I like this thought. Though I think a good candidate to unite the crowns of England and France would be Louis VIII of France. King John's of England death is what united barons behind King Henry III or his regent, we could say and recisnd their offer to Louis VIII. I think if we say John survived his dysntery, Louis could reasonably conquer England. While I think the outcome would be similar that Great Britan and Ireland would be conquered. I feel that Capetian would have an even more colonist and absolutist to England, Wales, Soctland and Ireland and promote more French. I also feel that the French would take Aragonese lands fueing the crusade aganist the Cathars, and perhaps a Capetian French king marrys Isabella of Castile, or take Castile and Portugal by force. Colonization might not be so much a competion between fedul rulers and competition between cultures. All the same. Neat idea!

[@nateghast6456]

I feel like the English would want to move across the ocean more to escape the overbearing French, leading to more independence sentiment in the New World while the French prefered to stay in the Old World. I also feel like the English would try to break free during the era of nationalism, as Scotland was mostly not successful because of it's smaller population while England and France would have relatively comparable populations.

[@dantejones1480]

Ever heard of Divergences of Darkness? They call themselves The Dual Monarchy / Dual Monarchies of England and France or the Anglois.

[@ariannemaxwell1985]

scrumptious…

[@marsupiomarsupi4421]

The English lost The Battle of Castillon on 17 July 1453 then were kicked out of France. In October 1781 French Army troops and a French naval force, commanded by Lafayette, Comte de Rochambeau and Comte de Grasse helped General George Washington to beat General Cornwallis in Yorktown, last major land battle of the American Revolutionary War. End of story.

[@jayjoes940]

There was a time when England had more of france than the french did yknow 😅

[@smal750]

england was a french colony. the english didnt "have" France , the french nobles who had french territories happened to become rulers of england.

[@Raven-dz7sp]

My Eu4 campaign 😅

[@sagittariusa7662]

They would have control of Spain to boot since the fall of the Hapsburgs would still happen and it isn't hard to believe the will of the Last Hapsburg Spanish King would be similar to the one in our timeline but instead of a Bourbon, it is a Plantagenet since it was the King of France that the King of Spain wrote his will towards and who is the King of France in this new timeline? It is also possible the Plantagenet King of France would had achieved greater success during the War of Burgundian Succession and so France would likely due to increase English forces with the added benefit of Welsh, Breton, Scottish (which is likely to be conquered) and Irish (also likely to be conquered) forces take all of the Burgundian lands which means the Netherlands, Belgium, Greater Luxembourg, and Burgundy proper (not just French Burgundy) would be parts of France. This also means Dutch, French, English and Spanish colonies would all belong to the Plantagenet Crown. As France+Netherlands+Belgium+England+Scotland+Ireland+Wales fight on Portugal's behalf before Spain, it is likely Portugal would never get annexed by Spain. Therefore, Portugal would still exist as an independent realm, although how long its colonies would last are anyone's bet, but I believe it would retain its original colonial holdings and it would play some major butt kissing to the Plantagenet Crown to keep it that way. Effectively France's puppet in all but name. Trastamara would not had subdued the Kingdom of Castile in the Castilian Civil War which means the House of Castile would still be in play prior to it dying out and via marriage being replaced with the Hapsburgs which still would had happened. The Barbary Crusade would had been an English Victory with Algeria and Tunisia being conquered earlier. In fact, Tripolitania which was under Hafsid control would also be part of this Greater France. The Battle of Nicopolis would have ended much the same, but with Ottomans sustaining more casualities and being worse off as a result. Old Zürich War would end with a French Victory and the Imperial City of Zurich retaining its disputed lands and being independent for the time being of the Old Swiss Confederacy. The Duchy of Milan would also become French. Catalan Civil War would end the same. Mad War would end the same. French-Breton War would end the same. The First Italian War would end with a French Victory and the acquisition of Naples. Second Italian War wouldn't happen as Milan is already part of France. Third Italian War also unlikely to happen, but if it did Spain would have to give up Sardinia. War of the League of Cambrai would still be a French Victory and France would had made the Papal States a vassal, effectively connecting Milan to Naples. Italian War of 1521-1526 would result in a French Victory and forcing the Holy Roman Empire to give up its hold over Northern Italy, effectively solidifying what wasn't Venice, Sardinia and Sicily as part of France at least for now. War of the League of Cognac would be a French Victory and Spain giving up Sicily. In the Italian War of 1536-1538, France would acquire the Balearic Islands. In the Italian War of 1542-1546, France would acquire what is left of Further Austria. In the Italian War of 1551-1559, France would acquire the title of Holy Roman Emperor. This is the last Italian War. Austria doesn't have any lands close enough to France it could acquire and effectively control. So the only thing France could acquire is the title itself and the German Princes probably would allow it since the Hapsburgs have lost so many times. This effectively makes the Hapsburg Crown a vassal of France, which would probably start calling itself the French Holy Roman Empire, emphasizing the Superiority of France and the fact they already have the Pope as a vassal. We'll still call it France. Anglo-French War (1557-1559) wouldn't happen. English expedition to France (1562-1563) wouldn't happen. War of the Portuguese Succession would be a victory for the Portuguese in maintaining their independence in name only since they would be firmly under the heel of France instead of integrated into Spain. Franco-Spanish War of 1595-98 wouldn't happen not because Spain is now part of France (it isn't), but rather because the Netherlands are part of France. Franco-Savoyard War (1600-1601) probably would still happen, but this would be a vassal having its lands taken from it. War of the Jülich Succession would result in a French victory with a total Catholic Victory as France is Catholic. Brandenburg and Palatinate-Neuburg would lose their lands. Therefore, no Prussia. Valtellina War would not happen. First Savoyard-Genoese War would not happen. Anglo-French War (1627-1629) would not happen. War of the Mantuan Succession would occur the same. Thirty Years War would be a French Victory with Bohemia, the Palatinate, Heilbronn, Brunswick-Lüneburg, Hesse-Kassel, and Saxony being integrated. Denmark-Norway and Sweden being forced to convert back to Catholicism. Franco-Spanish War would result in a French Victory with Modena and Reggio being integrated. Roussillon would be annexed all the same. Artois is already part of France. Portuguese Restoration War would not happen as Portugal is already "independent." Savoyard-Waldensian wars would be the French-Waldensian Wars and would end with the Waldensians being stamped out brutally. Austro-Turkish War (1663-1664) would be a French-Austrian Victory with Austria acquiring Transylvania as including the Kingdom of Hungary. Second Anglo-Dutch War would not happen. War of Devolution would be a French Victory with Gilbraltar and Spanish North Africa going to France. Franco-Dutch War would be a French Civil War or Dutch Rebellion in France. It would end with Lorraine being integrated. War of the Reunions would not happen. French conquest of Senegal happens pretty much the same. French-Algerian War 1681-88 would not happen as Algiers is already part of France. Siamese Rebellion of 1688 would result in the Prasat Thong Dynasty continuing as a French Puppet in Thailand. Nine Years' War wouldn't happen as Netherlands and England are part of France and France is the HRE. French and Iroquois Wars would conclude with the complete defeat of the Iroquois. War of the Spanish Succession would end with Spain and Spanish colonies being annexed by France.

[@sagittariusa7662]

I did not include Wars of England prior to the Spanish Succession War nor did I include HRE Wars after the title was taken by France. I also ended at the War of Spanish succession since France at this point resembled a jacked up Western Roman Empire on Steroids.

[@Mr_OogaBooga]

You deserve so many more views bro am so sad for you :/

[@ThatAnnoyingAmerican]

I dont upload enough lol, Im trying out weekly uploads though

[@mcziggydelamcmuffin5016]

I always play EUIV Plantagenet style

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of What if England Conquered France? (Alternative History) momentum 100

[@user-ti5cw1ug6l]

Remember when England actually conquered France and their King Henry VI was crowned King of France in Reims!?

[@strasbourgeois1]

The real Henri IV was better than the fake.

[@LDiCesare]

He was never crowned in Reims. He had to be crowned in Paris. Charles VII of France was the one who managed to get crowned there. And England didn't conquer France. Half of it, or more, remained independant, not even talking about Burgundy.

[@666johnco]

Going in the opposite direction of course if William Marshal had lost the 2nd Battle of Lincoln in 1217 the two Kingdoms might have been united under King Louis around 150 years earlier.......

[@user-ie8yi3gj6h]

What if the third French empire was established

[@GIOGIOJOJOOO]

cursed ending

[@alsoascot02]

Why wouldn't the British Isles parts of the Empire become Francophone?

[@RamanShrikant]

what happens to the black prince and the ottomans?

[@adamskeans2515]

1. why was Paris impenetrable? 2 If they couldn't take Paris, but took the entirety of the rest of France, wouldn't the French Monarchy have eventually been starved out?

[@Mr_OogaBooga]

Your my favorite american haha

[@lordeveigar]

Would it be possible a timeline where England and London were the dominant kingdom of this union?

[@Leon-bc8hm]

No because of the rain. Rain will not change in any situation.

[@theausteregentleman4622]

Vive l'empire Angevin!

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Just allocate all those English French wars, and commanders, United them, combined resources and release them on Europe instead, Anglo-French unity could of made the greatest potential ever. Unfortunately didn't happen All those defeats and battle loses in their wars and alliances, allocated into conjoined battles against other commanders, could be victories enlarged,

[@adelaidesngan604]

Empire plantagenet 🇫🇷💪

[@Kiddo5010]

Not to be nit picky but i dont think they would've Industrialized because they now had the manpower of France And Without any low manpower it wouldn't spur on the revolution.

[@ThatAnnoyingAmerican]

Thats a very interesting point. I think in my opinion industrialization was spurred on more from shake up of European society post black death which lead to the decline in feudalism and the rise of capitol investment and a merchant class. This along with colonization would encourage an industrial revolution of some capacity.

[@andrefasching1332]

​​@@ThatAnnoyingAmericanhat might be true but i think the other guy definitely has a point. With Britain abolishing the parliament like you pointed it out i assume the nobles hold on to their power way more comfortably and for way longer thus preventing the rise of any real merchant class. a low intensitiy but longer lasting war against the habsburgs would also be tremendiously expensive and slow growth considerably. Taxes wpuld most probably collected from the non nobles without representation. As rulers back then already knew- dont tax these that benefit most from keeping you in power...Still applies today. slight nudge at the american mega- billionaires. ;D The average citicen would be comparable poor and any non noble investment would most probably be a group effort by a larger group of lesser nobles with a more open mindset or a massive project like the dust east indies company where everyone could dump his last dime in hope for a good return of investment A company like the english east india company would most probably never come into existance or way later as a strong monarchy would see little reason in giving away power to some merchantmen without noble blood that could treaten its status and less wealthy businessmen overall due to the conservative economy Just some thoughts. Of course an alternative history can and will hold as many surprises as the history we got

[@Kiddo5010]

​@@ThatAnnoyingAmerican You make a valid point I hadn't really considered the black death, However they could've recovered from it more quickly than in our timeline due to the unity between England And France, Although industrialization could've been possible while they were recovering from the plague.

[@Lawfair]

If Edward III gets the crown of France in the 1360's why does Edward the Black Prince pre-decease his father? I think Edwards succeeds his father, and is in turn succeeded by his son Richard. Also how is Richard fathering an heir... he was super gay and never slept with his wife or any woman, and somewhat bizarrely given his homosexuality, he refused to remarry after the death of his first wife.

[@ThatAnnoyingAmerican]

Edward the black prince died of dysentery before Edward the third

[@Lawfair]

@@ThatAnnoyingAmerican but why would he be out campaigning, if he was already the Dauphin. He got dysentery because he was campaigning.

[@user-yj8yu2ss4o]

this is lame the whole point of having an alternate event occur is too explore the unknown you just made the borders different but the events stay the same nothing of substances really changes

[@andrefasching1332]

i agree its a rather cautious approach to alternate history but i prefer them to the "...and then Germany conquered the moon" ones

[@derpycat9347]

france is english?????

[@nexustheninja1927]

france is Frankish lol. The Brits just got really close to conquering it ages ago.

[@demarcomixon]

The video is good but I kinda get annoyed when alternate historians never end their scenarios in the present. I understand that things would be different but it’s just my pet peeve.

[@AmericanCaesarian]

I don’t think that they would come to rule the world, remember what happened to napoleon?

[@TesaLegitimusVonAtti]

Napoleon's situation was vastly different and above all incomparable.