What If Everything went PERFECT for Poland?

[@krolfoltest]

As a Pole, this is the kind of scenario I was waiting for. Not like I am already creating similiar ones in every possible paradox interactive game...

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

I think Poland is the easiest state in eu4 tbh

[@未來人2100]

in Eu4, poland is a lucky nation that have a huge Lithuania to help poland❤❤❤

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

@@未來人2100 unless the ai rejects them for some reason

[@amei653]

​@@goldenfiberwheat238unless the Kebabistan decided to knock on the door on MP.

[@LoganverseS1]

Every time period in AOH2

[@arno_grnfld455]

Poland could potentially sign a defensive alliance with japan as part of their prometheism project of fracturing russia, this could be further reinforced by Hokushin ron supporters in Japan

[@SMiki55]

Polish-Japanese border on the Urals…

[@Nobody32990]

@@SMiki55 Bronislav Piłsudzki (Brother of Joseph) married Ainu woman so that another fun trivia on Polish-Japanese connections.

[@Manetho76]

no way japan would respect a treaty that puts them at war with russia

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

I mean they were already really friendly with each other irl.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

@@Nobody32990 Not just any woman but a princess!

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

I think that the butterfly effect of the Soviets doing worse in the civil war would lead to Finland getting more land.

[@9_9876]

Can't expect much from this narrow knowledge youtuber

[@talesferreiralimadossantos8806]

I don't know, it could be possible, but I think the bolcheviks would secure their border with Finland despite having trouble in Eastern Europe.

[@StrangeGamer859]

Probably, but this video focused only on Poland

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

@@talesferreiralimadossantos8806 Well, shortly after the Finnish civil war had concluded, groups of Finnish soldiers ventured deep into Russian Karelia. It could be more than likely that the Finnish diplomates who went to negotiate the border between the two could extract more from the Soviets. Still, something like Greater Finland would be put a fever dream. The greatest extent I could see the Finnish border expaning would be to the city of Petroskoi/Petrozavodsk/Äänislinna. Though, this would only be possible, if the Soviet were given free access to use the railway there, as it's the only logistical link route between Murmanks and the rest of Russia at the time.

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

@@9_9876 They really don't have a reason to cover such a minute and mostly unrelated detail in such a short and focused video. If this video was 4 hours and covered a lot more of the implications of the scenario, then I would question their critical thinking abilities with leaving this one out.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

Wladislaw Jagiello would be a great diversion point. He was offered the crown of Bohemia by the hussites, Sigmund of hungary was supposed to abdicate the crown of Hungary after his wife died to her sister (Jadwiga wife of Władysław) who was the other claimant (they had a deal where if one of the queens died without an heir the other would get her throne) but Sigmund didnt live up to the end of his bargain. Novogrod was his vassal for a short time, maybe if the golden horde was pushed back that could be made permanent. Wladislaws brother Vytautas challenged the mongol control over Rus, althou failed. If it all went perfect and a strengthened Jaggielonian union attacked the Teutonic order they could wipe it all of the map.

[@catalyst9955]

was Jagiello the fella who died at varna?

[@Sprejxen]

@@catalyst9955 No

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

@@catalyst9955 Not that one. Im talking about his father

[@SalvaBidoof]

When was Novgorod their vassal

[@maciej5640]

Jogaila was kind of a brainlet when you think about it. There's a theory he deliberately failed at the siege of Marienburg so as not to strenghten Poland, who'd have absorbed much of the Teutonic lands, over Lithuania in the Union (which happened anyway). Imagine Prussia (the land) being directly annexed by Poland. No Prussia the duchy and later kingdom, no German nationalism in such an aggressive manner, possibly some other nation unifying Germany, if at all. Obviously no partitions either. Possibly no World Wars either. His brothers Vytautas and Skirgaila kept on rebelling against him, even allying with the Teutons, and he kept on forgiving them. Over and over and over. It's riddiculous when you read about it. I know it's family and all but I mean come on, after the fifth time he should've taken a hint. Mediocre ruler at best, his only shining achievement is keeping the Union going after the death of Jadwiga.

[@henrybacolor2782]

I’d love one of these for Sweden or Denmark. Both had maximum extensions much larger than we’d expect to be sustainable, so seeing how they keep it or lose it in a beneficial way would be cool.

[@esttrox5881]

He's already done a scenario for Sweden.

[@Viktoria_Selene]

That would be pretty cool

[@PainDude-vh6nk]

​@@esttrox5881 no, he didnt.

[@esttrox5881]

@@PainDude-vh6nk Nvm that was AltHistHub

[@redguy3256]

I agree with the scenario in the video. The only change for me would be that in 1934 Polish army was actually very strong (Poland could be called military dictatorship at the time.) while German military until 1935 was absolutely disaster. Poland irl was more powerful than Germany, not to mention potential Intermarium. German army could hold very tiny frontline (it was impossible for the front to freeze) and would be inevitebly crushed.

[@wizdmovie9957]

the issue is, as he said, if Poland had its actual borders, ukraine and belarus would not have joined, which would have led to similar events to our timeline.

[@redguy3256]

​@@wizdmovie9957 Polish army in this perfect scenario would be much better-prepared. Ukraine and Belarus had to do nothing, if Poland didn't have border with USSR it's like its army was twice as strong against Germany

[@wizdmovie9957]

@@redguy3256 i just realized i responded to a different comment than the one i wanted to, umm. Oops i guess

[@Draxynnic]

It might be a more complex balance than that. Even under the Weimar Republic, Germany's interwar army was set up to allow for massive expansion on short notice, and they also had secret projects for the war machines they weren't supposed to have. Obviously they wouldn't have been as prepared in 1934 as they would be in 1939, but in a situation where they were on the defensive and had a natural border to fall back on (there's a reason the modern border is where it is...), there's a decent chance that mass mobilisation could have held a line long enough for German industry to kick over to a war economy.

[@earthgaming228]

Why do we have the same profile picture lol

[@Qawesome27]

1:15 “The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get its own episode one day” mhm I’m still waiting POSSIBLE HISTORY !!!

[@toadsterer747]

According to his discord planned videos chat, it was supposed to be released a few months ago, he even discussed using Jagiełło as the divergence point in February, but it never was released

[@TheTytan007]

Curzon line would be a big no no for Poland because you'd leave a tone of polish people outside of Poland. Imo Poland and Galicia and Volhynia alone would either have to be split between Poland and Ukraine or be established as a jointly controlled area of some sort

[@wizdmovie9957]

the issue is, as he said, if Poland had its actual borders, ukraine and belarus would not have joined, which would have led to similar events to our timeline.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

@@wizdmovie9957 Curzone Line B then for compromise

[@wizdmovie9957]

@@stanisawzokiewski3308 thats what was in the video

[@xaveircombs2690]

@@stanisawzokiewski3308curson line b would still have the problem of Polish minorities in wilnno and east Belarus

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

@@xaveircombs2690 But its a compromise. You cant make an alliance without compromise.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Napoleón III

[@priyansh_12391]

interesting

[@arbiterregnant]

I don't know much about Napoleon III, but off the top of my head, I see puppet emperor Maximilian I Habsburg of Mexico (at least partially) winning loyalty of the people while remaining loyal to France. I also see an alternate Franco-Prussian War where Prussia's defeat means France either gains Geman territories or lots of payment.

[@evannpalma2404]

As a French men I see this as an absolute win

[@TheOneWhoMemes79]

Didn’t he already make a video about that

[@ezvengabrielrosal2392]

​@@TheOneWhoMemes79 Napoleon the first? The one that's the great general? Napoleon the 3rd is a different person

[@FOX1MX]

the idea of Poland liberating Finland and it joining the alliance is the most blurst thing ever and I'm all here for it

[@tanczacyzesmerfami6832]

Piłsudski wanted to make a larger Lithuania out of Belarus, Lithuania and a piece of Poland, which would be in a federation with Poland, following the example of the Lithuanian Polish Union.

[@milobem4458]

Pilsudski was still thinking in the PLC terms, where "Lithuanians" meant citizens of GDL, most of whom were Polonized Belarussians, like Kosciuszko and Mickiewicz. The modern state of Lithuania was founded by ethnic Lithuanians who didn't want to be a minority in their own state. Larger Lithuania wouldn't work for them. This is why Vilno problem was not resolvable. It was a Polish city in Lithuania.

[@RichD1]

⁠​⁠@@milobem4458vilnius will always be lithuanian, yall destroyed our country and then your new expanded country got destroyed, and now a lot of polish people are nationalistic and want vilnius back PD: we are far from being a ethnic minority within our own borders, tho we were invaded and in much worse ways than poland and most other countries in the world, and now our country is being fucked because its a post eastern bloc country that has been tryna adapt to the west and our population decline has been second to bulgaria from suicides and massive immigration, so yeah long text but we were far from being russian or polish or any other ethnic group

[@HimmyNeutron2714]

FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO SPECIFICALLY

[@tereziamarkova2822]

*happy Eduard Beneš noises* (Beneš was a big proponent of the "Little Entente" - an economic and defensive pact between Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia. In our timeline, it was obliterated by WW2, but in this scenario, it could be folded into the Intermarium, speeding up its expansion.)

[@rotmistrzjanm8776]

Benes was also ekstremly antipolish and was literally sabotaging intermarium buildup irl

[@gengarzilla1685]

It's really no surprise that Eastern Europe got stomped over by the German/Soviet oppressors. Only foolish and unworthy leadership would engage in the petty distraction of regional feuds when they have twin revanchist giants both breathing down their necks. Putting every percent of blame on the west for the east's collapse only whitewashes the reality of it being a "team" effort between the complacent west and the bickering east.

[@gengarzilla1685]

He would have no justifiable reason for that behaviour if Poland acts like it does in this video. This Poland is far more preferable to the diplomatically inept fools that pissed off most of their neighbours while the two strongest ones clearly wanted to partition Poland between themselves. It's no wonder Poland had to rely on the lukewarm Allies when Molotov and Ribbentrop did their thing.

[@gengarzilla1685]

This Poland has given him no good reason to be anti-Polish, because they're not stupidly butting heads with most of their neighbours over land. Interwar Polish was practically asking to be partitioned again with how godawful its diplomatic game got.

[@hobolecho8507]

My dream came true. You made this video. Thank you. Cant wait for the PLC episode

[@krabiasTY]

Made?

[@hobolecho8507]

@@krabiasTY Shit autocorrect thank you

[@respectthefish4992]

fr ❤️‍🩹

[@Urcite]

Do Czechoslovakia next🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Salt_and_Peroxide]

no v ziadnom pripade to by sa nestalo

[@patrikmodrovsky1842]

@@Salt_and_Peroxide tak, je tu pár možností, mohli by sme dostať Lemkovu republiku, postaviť sa Mníchovu a následne zabrať Sliezko a Sorbiu Alebo Veľká Morava by sa nerozpadla a namiesto toho by zjednotila všetkých západných slovanov do jednej krajiny (podobne ako vzniklo Nemecko)

[@Ariel1039]

? So czechoslovak legion takes the entirety of Russia

[@voytec448]

plot twist: Everything going well for czechoslovakia would mean it joining the intermarium

[@patrikmodrovsky1842]

@@voytec448 well, it would be nice, but there is some mutually exclusive nice things for Czechoslovakia and Poland

[@Junikowski_PL]

W Video, much respect from Poland🇵🇱

[@mikebott6940]

Polska Gurom !!!

[@snowbrero5448]

how is this a good timeline for us we have less territories?

[@Junikowski_PL]

@@snowbrero5448 Yes, there is a down side-however the Intermarium would be Polish dominated, and would be a stronger alliance than Poland could be without it-and definitely in the near future of this senario Poland would surely expand or unite with an Intermarium member👍🇵🇱

[@Junikowski_PL]

@@snowbrero5448 But honestly, my timeline would look wayyy different to this one🇵🇱

[@ddggfcff]

@@snowbrero5448 millions of poles don’t die or get displaced. Also, neither nazi or communist occupation and therefore a much wealthier and developed Poland.

[@jaydentruss6399]

I've been waiting so long for this thank you

[@Cannon530YT]

1:15 “The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get its own episode one day”

[@zChad791]

Im suprised you didn't add Hungary in the intermarium considering Poland and hungary were really close allies at the time to the point when hungary accepted polish refugees into hungary during ww2 during the invasion of poland

[@Dread_2137]

I think he viewed it as more of federation/union of slavs+balts, hungary is "too far" in terms of language. Tho in reality they could be included considering close ties and friendship between poland and hungary. Not only through WWII but in history in general, poland and hungary were close friends for centuries and even today. Both have "Day of Polish-Hungarian friendship" on Mar 23. There is even a proverb in both languages: Polak, Węgier - dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki, oba zuchy, oba żwawi, niech im Pan Bóg błogosławi. Lengyel, magyar - két jó barát, Együtt harcol s issza borát, Vitéz s bátor mindkettője, Áldás szálljon mindkettőre. Pole, Hungarian - two brothers, both for the saber and the glass, both lad, both lively, may God bless them.

[@Manetho76]

hungary wouldn't ally czechoslovakia, romania and yugoslavia without compensation, those are their geopolicial enemies

[@gengarzilla1685]

Exactly. Interwar Hungary really hated those three and no emotional pleas founded in Polish-Hungarian friendship will make Hungary drop its numerous claims against Intermarium members. Hungary was pretty much destined to be Germany's bitch with how much of a massive chip they had against the new order.

[@baneofbanes]

Hungary very much wanted its land back. Hence why it joined the Axis in WW2.

[@yaboi3398]

hungary would probably have been in the alliance if romania and slovakia were willing to give Hungarian magority lands back,

[@Manu-ld4xc]

I consider that spain would be an interesting choice of a perfect history video because of all of its history

[@Cs4-Real]

Poland being is very lucky compared to Sorbia so I want u to make a scenario for Sorbia where the Slavs of East Germany never got taken over by Germanic Tribes

[@santithelazy5340]

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR YEARS !!!

[@Cannon530YT]

1:15 “The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get its own episode one day”

[@Artur_M.]

Pretty good video. I'm looking forward to your coverage of the PLC. If I might offer some advice, I think that the best historians writing about this subject in English are Richard Butterwick and Robert Frost (not to be confused with the late American poet). Unfortunately, Frost is yet to finish writing _The Oxford History of Poland-Lithuania_ (fun fact: he's actually professor at the University of Aberdeen but Oxford approached him with this project as they don't have anyone nearly as competent in this area). There is just the first volume available, out of planed three. It would also be great if you'd get your hands on the English edition of currently the most comprehensive Polish synthesis of the subject: _History of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth: State - Society - Culture_ by Urszula Augustyniak (I understand it's a bit harder to get).

[@jerzymarzec3386]

Poczytaj prac Norman Davis, historyk piszący o Polsce.

[@Artur_M.]

@@jerzymarzec3386 Oczywiście czytałem _Boże Igrzysko_ Daviesa. To klasyka, pionierska w przybliżaniu szerszemu światu ogólnego zarysu polskiej historii i w dawaniu Polakom ciekawego spojrzenia z zewnątrz na naszą historię, wciąż warta czytania. Ale nie powiedział bym, że Davies jest obecnie czołowym zachodnim specjalistą od dawnej Rzeczypospolitej.

[@maciejbala477]

@@Artur_M. thanks for recommendations lol, might take a look

[@Mr_OogaBooga]

As a Polish Jew, I feel very patriotic rn POLSKAAA❤❤❤

[@tashaiyyuhaq]

Did you have to specify Jew or is it israel palestine thingy

[@bungaboy3753]

@@tashaiyyuhaqwtf are you talking about. They can say they are a Jew without it being something like that.

[@user-xn7vs4tp9s]

Also saying your Jewish has nothing to do with that like a 50/50 split on either.

[@SpicyCheeseAltHistory]

Why do you have to mention your Jewish? It doesn’t matter in this situation

[@TheEdgeOfUnknown]

@@tashaiyyuhaq brain rot

[@Astatine95]

It's funny how in this perfect scenario Poland somehow still ends up smaller in terms of territory than our counterpart.

[@Szpareq]

It's silly, yeah. I feel like there has been a big drop in quality of AH videos. His old ones were much better researched and much more plausible.

[@gugui156]

@@Szpareq wdym silly do you not know the meaning of diplomacy and compromises?

[@gengarzilla1685]

If territory was all that mattered then Russia would have always been an unbeatable behemoth. Geopolitics is not a map font size competition. This Poland may look smaller on the map but they're absolutely better off for dropping their neo-imperialist goal and founding a strong bloc against Nazi and Stalinist tyrannies instead. Hence, what if things went perfect for modern Poland. If you think it represents a big drop in quality of his videos then that's a very blatant You Problem and I'd suggest revising how you view history and global politics.

[@Szpareq]

@@gengarzilla1685 you miss one point, this union would be dominated by Ukrainians (twice as many people there when compared to Poland) who would lay claim to Eastern Poland. There is no such thing as gratitude in geopolitics and Ukrainians wouldn't give a shit about union as soon as Bolshevik threat was dealt with. Just look at the actions of current Ukrainian government - Polish actions saved Ukraine in 2022 and 2023, then Zelensky started screwing Poland over the trade deals. Ukrainians OTL committed genocide against Poles as soon as the Polish government disappeared and they justified it as a historical justice against their colonizers. This scenario is just flat out oversimplified.

[@adamkowalski170]

what do you mean small? I think this pretty average size for coc.... I mean country

[@marekcmonster1937]

I'd love to see this start at the beginning of Polish history

[@KarolBadowski]

Not 1991, but 1989. I was born that day when we got independence. 4th of June 1989. Not 91. 91 was in some other countries that got free from USSR. We were eralier. 1989

[@bulkax303]

There was actually a polish majority in a strip going to Latvia. They would probably demand a referendum or something

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

You mean Lithuania?

[@pep-qew]

​@@goldenfiberwheat238no. From Belarusian Grodno to Lithuanian Vilnius ending in Latvian Dyneburg there is a strip of land with a lot of Poles

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

@@pep-qew oh

[@dominykasjonasblynas9312]

The polish population was irrelevant considering the german and russian minorities in Latvia

[@maciejbala477]

yeah honestly realistically i'd expect border disputes. I feel like in this scenario Poland could get a bit more land east and then encourage the Poles abroad to resettle there. It's complicated because of the Commonwealth past, there's been tons of Polish settlements throughout the now independent states to its east. If they don't get settled then you could have a Yugoslavia situation and considering how well it went OTL, it's not a great look. I think settling that would have had to be a priority for a stable intermarium or you'd always have border disputes. Wish Poland just had a reason to annex East Prussia and expel the Germans from there to make room for the populace abroad much like it happened OTL with Kaliningrad

[@LEGENDUUUU]

Finally I have been waiting for this video

[@MyPrideFlag]

The fun thing is that intermarrium is more probable NOW than it was 100 years ago.

[@Sully-pg5dh]

You should do Canada next. I don't think my country gets enough recognition so it would be really cool to see a KZbin like you cover it.

[@welshlout3400]

There’s a couple of videos here that contain what if scenarios for Canada.

[@Sully-pg5dh]

@welshlout3400 I know but I just really like this guy so it would be pretty cool you know?

[@damian4926]

The most interesting alternative history scenario.

[@piecyk2137]

1:00 you mean 1989?

[@andreiangelian5189]

Please do something about romania. You are my favourite alt history creator. I would love to see the same type of video about my country, since it also has quite tragic history

[@the_pinkerton]

Finally, I've been waiting for this for years

[@Cannon530YT]

1:15 “The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get its own episode one day”

[@KinAzazelion]

Please do "What if everything went Perfect for Romania" it would be a great continuation for Eastern Europe "what if"s

[@LeakyTrees]

Part 2 would be sick

[@Cannon530YT]

1:15 “The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get its own episode one day”

[@emayex74]

suggestion: what if everything went perfect for spain? you havent done it yet so im hoping you will

[@jelen7217]

Hey possible history, I have an idea for you. I am from Czechia and I am mad, that my country was never an empire, so I would like to see a video, where everything will go perfectly for Czechia (if its possible). thank you :)

[@Julianist]

The Hre was sometimes ruled in Prague but I get your point 🇩🇪❤️🇨🇿

[@skeletalforce9673]

Great Moravia maybe

[@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508]

Wouldn't great moravia kinda count as "Czech empire"? I mean, it had Czech lands, was from Czech lands (moravia is like half of todays czechia) and was pretty big, maybe not "empire" like for example french, but still pretty signifficant kingdom looking at the region

[@jeremirusin58]

Czechia (or maybe Bohemia, idk what's the right English version of medieval Czechia) was a very powerful country is 13th and 14th century. In 1260s and 1270s Przemyslid dynasty struggled with Arpads (Hungary) and Habsburgs for succesion of Babenbergs (modern Austria) and almost won (it took HRE for Habsburgs to defeat Przemysl Ottokar II). Then, in 1290-1300 period, Waclaw II, benefiting from crisis in Poland, which was splitted between rivalizing dukes, conquered most of Poland and in 1300 was crowned its king. Meanwhile, Hungarian Arpad dynasty died out and Waclaw's son, another Waclaw had pretty good chances of becomimg king of Hungary. Unfortunately for Czechia, Waclaw II died of illness and Waclaw III was assasinated, making him only king of Poland, who never was in Poland. Then, Luxembourg dynasty took over. Bohemia was still very strong and Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor was Bohemian king. (This is actually really intresting, because during his reign, all three great medieval central European states - Bohemia, Hungary and Poland had fantastic monarchs, I'd argue two last their very best).

[@werthor7083]

Do you really need an "empire"? Poland certainly not. And as a Pole I can't see the Czech Empire in my imagination. C'mon southern brother! We love you because you are normal. Not an imperial motherfuckers, but relaxed Czechs chilling with beer and knedliki. Western Slavs should create the Federal Republic of Poland-Czechia-Slovakia. Equal, friendly nations of people with the same ethnic roots.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Amazing work as always! Please do this with britain! Starting with james i and vi

[@mistrzogrodnik]

I adore the way other people pronounce polish names, just brings a smile to my face.

[@celdur4635]

You needed to do a bit more research on this one. Poland actually got almost all of Belarus and Ukraine in RL, including Minsk and Kiev and more, however the ultra nationalists Pole faction dominated the negotiations and actually REJECTED the USSR's offer, since they only wanted Pole and "polonizable" regions.

[@Cookie14653]

No.They just took lands which had most of times Poles .Even Vilnus had big Poles amount so saying they took land just to Polonizate them is just wrong

[@celdur4635]

@@Cookie14653 True, they wanted a regions even with a small Pole minority to help easy polonization. It was stupid either way.

[@Arabmapperguy]

0:40 *shows free city of Cracow*

[@Goom82]

Krakow not cracow smh

[@orangecitrus8056]

For April Fools can you please do "what if everything went perfect for the Emus in Australia"

[@joemoe1739]

I'm waiting for how the Polish Commonwealth could survive. in the 18th century.

[@Cannon530YT]

1:15 “The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get its own episode one day”

[@DamorkaDalilla]

I would love to see Polish-Lithuanian common wealth succeed episode

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

11:00 could make Lusatia independent and join the intermarium

[@nicksyoutubechannel2632]

I like how at the end of the video it teased that Poland would still be partitioned

[@welshlout3400]

That’s for part 2, where Poland reveals its secret defense agreement with Japan, France miraculously grows a pair, and the partitioners become the partitionees.

[@davidkrentz5397]

You should do a everything going right for Ukraine, involving merging with Kuban Don and Green Ukraine in 1918 and winning the Lemmon and Galicia/Halychia, I also wonder if Ukraine could have catered Volgograd after all the Don Cossacks did.

[@captaintornado-xy8si]

Pls make this an interaction game to play by videos

[@floor737]

Norway next? (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)

[@Mussolina]

Idk when will what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario start

[@Xenion_jeux]

Video idea : What if history went perfect for the visigothic kingdom (or if he survived)

[@NobodyofNot]

Good choice with the classical music for the background.

[@gavinshultz443]

My favorite Dutchman uploads again

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content!😊😊😊❤❤

[@AshiRonin]

Loved it! You nailed it!

[@PoProstuBartek964]

2:31 It's too simplified. At the beginning Poland pushed back Soviets to Kiev and after that they were pushed back to Warsaw.

[@KiraiKatsuji]

Man i seriously wish for a part two as there is still so much to do in this

[@Rubin-Igor]

1:04 w 1991 o ile się nie mylę rozpadł się związek radziecki, polska uwolniła się w 1989

[@springlockthesouleater2985]

Still waiting for PLC episode mate

[@ShackleYT]

In this timeline, i could see something very interesting happening after the polish intervention. At this point, germany would still be in massive economic debt, and if nothing changes on the map, then morale will plummet. So, the leaders of germany might be inclined to change these things. Here's the plan. they'd trade land to have their debt forgiven, and possibly have some land returned to them. specifically, with poland, germany could offer all of Koninsberg in return for the return of danzig and forgiveness of the debt imposed by the versailles treaty. Poland might go for this, since danzig was a major problem at that point, it would get them similar access to the baltic sea and they wouldn't have to deal with the issues of only having 1 port. Everyone wins in this scenario, but poland wins the most because now they don't have an awkward border with germany, and it would be more difficult for germany to invade as a result. I love this alternate timeline btw, i hope you make more of them! Specifically, i'd love to know what would have happened if the benelux had the best case scenario. would they try to acquire the rhineland or would they side with germany in order to secure french territory? i'm super interested to see your take on the idea.

[@yaboi3398]

at the time gdańsk (danzig) was mixed with german and polish citizens, if poland gave it up for the 95 percent german Konigsberg then they would have a very rebellious and also nazi germany would NEVER wilfully secede any land to poland especially all of konisberg, laybe a lighter version of your ideas would have happened if the polish german war was such a humiliation to hitler and his party that the Weimar republic (or atleast some kind of democratic germany possibly even SPD led but still democratic laybe something like a social democracy) would take charge and give land for the forgiveness of their debts

[@IgorWykocki-j9q]

amazing episode it was just perfect

[@faze_fox2092]

As Ukrainian, i see it as absolutely win-win

[@OlejhunterPL]

Sadly for Piłsudski Ukraine see it like that 100 years to late :(

[@pacivalmuller9333]

Ukrainians already working in Poland right now for a few griwni

[@micux4702]

And now I feel the need to play Europa Universalis as Poland.. again ;]

[@carcas77]

Thank you for this intro as a Pole ❤ But Poland break up from Communism in 1989, not 1991

[@toniee98]

I want to see a video about what if everything went perfect for Brazil, basically a remake of the "What if Brazil wasn't poor?" video, but with more border changes

[@isaacskinner5565]

Day 3 of asking for ‘what if everything went perfect for Australia’

[@emayex74]

a fellow aussie i see

[@shrekthefunnyfacewhowrunghands]

yes yes yes history never talks about australia

[@isaacskinner5565]

@@shrekthefunnyfacewhowrunghands I’d love to see a video where Australia dominates the Pacific, it’d be similar to his Ethiopian video

[@G-Cole-01]

One interesting idea that I thought of a couple days ago was the idea for a challenge where one would get a couple other alternate history people together, and they're all given a point of divergence and an end point for a timeline, and they're each given a week to write out how the divergence would lead to said outcome (not like a full story or anything, just a set of relevant events) and are then judged based on how believable their timelines are. For example, one possible subject (albeit difficult) would be challenging them to write a believable timeline for how Kagamine Rin/Len becoming cultural icons instead of Hatsune Miku ends up resulting in global thermonuclear war by 2018.

[@OneInchAsh]

Those near-modern borders in the Eastern Europe after WW I are kind of ridiculous. Western parts (realistically, 1/3 to half) of Ukraine and Belarus were mainly populated by poles

[@nacelnikprosiak1260]

Yes, most of that land had polish ethnic majority that's why in 1943 ukrainians genocided poles there so that germans would secure them ownership of that land after war, our lands in Lithuania and Belarus also were mainly polish, many "belarusians" didn't even call themself that and registered in population censuses as "Tutejszy"

[@adamkowalski170]

Well, to be honest eastern part of II RP was very mixed up in terms of ethnicity. If we assume borders from this video there still would be a large number of Polish people living in Volhynia, Stanisławów, Vilnius, Nowogródek and so on. I believe that in order to keep peace in Intermarium Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania should arranged some kind of population exchange, because in other scenario every country that i meantioned before could always demand some of neghbiour land. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how eastern Europe would settle their borders, because there always would be some minority that is going to be unsatisfied. I think that the best opportunity to make such exchange was after Polish-German war. Poland could annexed rest of Silesia and Prussia in order to move people from Vilnus to Królewiec (Kalinigrad) and Polish people from Ukraine to Wrocław. In that case eastern Polish border would be justified, because i think it include Lwów, Grodno and Brześć which were cities ethnicly Polish. Furthermore I would suggest one more idea. After Polish-German war I would establish Jewish state in Pomerania and Lubusz. Since times of PLC there was a large number of Jewish people living in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. Some part of them embraced Polish nationality, but some part of them wiew themself as completly diffrent nation, that has right to self governance and they had very difficult relations with Polish people. So to erradicate tention such country would be usefull as place in Europe where Jewish people from Poland, Ukriane,Belarus, Germany, France could migrate if their not see themself as citizen of country of origin.

[@nacelnikprosiak1260]

@@adamkowalski170 How would polish goverment justify forcefull relocation of 100s of thousands of polish people from their homeland, Also reminder that before WW1 ukrainians didn't have ethnic majority in most regions that are modern west ukraine, that is because there were also ruthenians there, only when combining ruthenians and ukrainians you could get more ethnicy over poles, it all changed after ukrainians genocides poles and ruthenians in 1943 with help of the germans and then after war made deal with Stalin to force all remaining poles to move to new polish lands in germany and rest of ruthenians to western belarus

[@maciejbala477]

yeah the issue for the land is that it is just so fragmented ethnically. It's like Yugoslavia and the Balkans in that respect. Countryside might have been mostly Ukrainian, Belarusian etc. but quite a few cities had Polish majorities, such as Lviv which i believe was 60% Polish, and infamously Vilnius as well, which was basically never resolvable as an issue because it was Lithuania's capital. Only reason this got "solved" irl is because of the resettlement to the lands taken from Germany or just straight up murder. I definitely think this video misses that issue altogether. Should've been touched upon more

[@saloenjoyer7381]

@nacelnikprosiak1260 Wikimedia for your ignorant ass: The respective data for Eastern Galicia show the following numbers: Ruthenians (Ukrainians) 64.5%, Poles 22.0%, Jews 12%. Of the 44 administrative divisions of Austrian eastern Galicia, Lviv (Polish: Lwów, German: Lemberg) was the only one in which Poles made up a majority of the population.

[@dshbvhjbfhvjb]

you should make a video where you look at the worst possible situation for the soviet union where they still defeat germany

[@TheAltMapper]

Video Idea: What if everything went perfect for Imperial Japan?

[@qhu3878]

💀

[@Osprey5435]

oh no

[@stargazer-elite]

Impossible they were doomed from the start and once they bombed Pearl Harbor they were doomed even more

[@DiaberlyDiablo]

Love your vids man!

[@kaz4184]

I didn't watch the video but I will like anyway CHWAŁA WIELKIEJ POLSCE

[@KV-88]

Wow I love this music. I know what it is.

[@edgareliseev1773]

Poland is like the kid who peaked in their teen years.

[@emolohtrab3468]

Amazing video thanks

[@TheNukeCell]

As a Pole, I can say: Thank you, video is amazing :D!

[@OscarLikesArt]

It's BEAUTIFUL

[@chujciwdupe5786]

1:27 as Pole very thank you you said that pilsudki was dictator

[@Joshieboy75]

This looks like one of the old Poland mission trees from hoi4

[@gengarzilla1685]

It does bring to mind how the Intermarium in HOI4 is portrayed as a military alliance instead of the frankly unrealistic actual concept of a federal union.

[@Desmuu]

What if Novgorod united Russia?

[@phantomultima]

9:10 btw noticed that the "heel" of italy is the Turkish Color

[@mariolacioek2451]

Glory for the commonwealth!!!

[@aaronsherman91]

Kinda missed on the thumbnail not having a Prussia with the angriest eyes possible

[@indianajones4321]

Hey Possible History, I have been making history and alternate history videos for a few weeks now and was wondering if you had any advice for running an alternate history channel?

[@OskarW57]

Can't wait for the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth episode

[@dorotta66]

Poland was actually proposed peace by the Third Reich, only if they give up Danzig and build a road connecting prussia with the rest of Germany. I think that coming up with what could happen if Poland actually agreed would pose for an amazing video.

[@lule6116]

Sugestion:What if everything went perfect for Croatia?

[@nobody_expects_me]

Great video, even if to me, Lvov could realistically be given to Poland as reward for helping the Ukrainians get their independence. And don't ignore that even if those were, majority Ukrainian and Belarussian lands, A big chunk of poles lived there. The Poles wouldn't just so easily give up Galicia to Ukraine, especially in a scenario where despite the two nations' relations being tense, Poland fights for Ukraine anyway.

[@wojciechdworzecki3807]

i was watching your other videos about what if everythng went perfect for countriesand thought that you probobabily didnt make a video about Poland and boom, you actually made it

[@andrew_wow6892]

POLSKA GUROM 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

[@Polish_internet_troll]

So everything going perfect for Poland, is Poland having even less territory than currently? And sooner or later, making Ukraine a main power in this alliance because of their larger territory and population.

[@MeJustMe101]

1:22 Damn, wish I had that kind of stache.

[@10hawell]

>"Everything goes perfectly for Poland" >Lusatia, Lebus and frontal Pomerania aren't Polish >Lvov, Brest and Grodno aren't Polish (I'm against "eastern borderlands" being part of Poland but those 3 cities at that time we understood as integral parts) What?

[@Super_gry]

Then you make scenario 'what if everything went perfect for axis ?'

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

What if history went perfect for Sweden next? Also, in our timeline, Poland really shot themselves in the foot by invading all of their neighbors right after WWI, it gave them some territory yeah, but it also led to everyone in the region hating, and why no one helped them when Germany and the Soviets split Poland up in 1939.

[@aleksanderwielopolski8205]

Who exactly hated the Poles? Just those who lost the lands to Poland, and frankly, already prior to ww1 they disliked the Poles for their mere presence in the regions that had polonised themselves during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And Czechoslovakia was the one who attacked the Poles. There was an alliance between Poland and Romania, but Poland knew that only the west could realistically help Poland, so Romania became simply a "neutral" road for evacuation of the polish armies. Estonia also gave a temporary asylum for the polish submarine "Orzeł".

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 Right, but regardless they really should have tried to have more friendly relations with their neighbors. I don't think the territories they had in dispute with the Czechoslovaks and Lithuanians was worth it. I'm not making any moral arguments, just what I think would have put them in a better position geopolitically. Though I admit they didn't exactly have the best hand of cards to play with.

[@gengarzilla1685]

FINALLY, SOMEBODY ELSE SAID IT! I swear, those rampant invasions and landgrabs did far more harm than good to interwar Poland. Screw the nationalism and prestige, the only thing they achieved with that rubbish was to leave themselves too reliant on the unreliable western powers. _That_ terrible foreign diplomacy is how you get re-partitioned.

[@macaroon_nuggets8008]

Im pretty sure this was a Drew Durnil video.

[@catastoic]

Impossible borders from Polish standpoint, Lwów and Stanisławów were centers of Polish culture and were in Poland for over 400 years at the time, no way we could ever voluntarily give these lands to states that havent existed at this point yet (Ukraine and Belarus).

[@gengarzilla1685]

This nationalist behaviour is why interwar Poland failed. The only thing achieved by such a "Poland First" outlook was a level of local isolation so extensive that they had to rely on the indecisive west. This Poland made the pragmatic decision to give them up to have actually friendly neighbours to fight alongside for once.

[@sherlock5947]

@@gengarzilla1685👍

[@FloweryYonni]

Awesome video as always! Could you perhaps talk about the consequences that would've happened if the Romanian rulers took up the crown of Bulgaria in the 19th century and then the Hungarian crown following ww1?

[@nacelnikprosiak1260]

I have to say that I watch you for a long time but Im disappointed with quality of reaserch and worldbuilding you did this for creating this video, it clearly shows that western youtubers clearly don't understand east european politics and history, from start I have to say that Poland became democracy in 1989 not 1991 (we weren't republic inside of USSR), land gained from Germany is pretty realistic but U would like to add that if we are going for "everything going perfect for poland" then Poland should also get their border with czechoslovakia secured with entente treaty as part of out land mainly Cieszyn-Zaolzie was taken away from us by czech nationalistz while it was pretty rich town as most towns around silesia back then, next Piłsudzki giving eastern poland to ukraine would result in civil war, the reason why poles rebeled against german occupation during ww1 is that germany gave ukrainians polish lands in return for securing grain production. Most of that land had been ethnicly polish for centuries, that only changed after 1943 when ukrainians genocides poles living there and then couple years later Stalin annexed that land and forced poles to migrate to west. Belarus border is just completly incorrect showing modern way of thinking, west-north part of belarus was majority polish and west-southern didn't see itself as any of the surrounding nations, it was mostly poor rural folk who during population censuses registered themselfs as "Tutejszy" which translates to "Folk from here" Polish Lithuanian lands also had alot of poles living there especially around Wilno as that city was very important for polish national culture (Our greatest poet Adam Mickiewicz has lived there and even in one of greatest polish literally works he wrote "Lithuania, my homeland, thou art like health - He only who has lost thee can judge his former wealth." refering to all land that old Grand Duchy of Lithuania owned during Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth times as he lived during times of moscovite occupation when poles were waiting for grand Polish+Lithuanian rebellion to liberate eastern europe from genocidal Russian Tsardom rule), same for Lwów (during times of austrian occupation poles were allowed a little bit of autonomy which turned Lwów city into capital of polish culture during partitions occupations. This video feels more like way of pushing youtuber's opinion on current geopolitical situation in the region rather than realistic representation of how things were back then.

[@PoProstuBartek964]

1:01 It was exactly in 1989 after Polish Round Table Agreement and Polish parliamentary election.