What if Italy Sided with The Allies in WW2? (The Stresa Front COULD Have Happened)

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[@tsamoka6496]

Hi Stakuyi! If you think it'd be worth it, I think a playthrough of the Youjo Senki Redux mod would be fun to see. Please? It would really make my day. =^x^=

[@viggoforster]

What if Trotsky couped the USSR?

[@Roboshirt]

I was just gonna say that

[@TheArklyte]

How?🤣 HoI4 works on althistory logic where there IS a plot inside USSR. But Stak tries to make realistic scenarios and thus there is no plot to exploit, only incompetence and paranoia.

[@piyo744]

@@TheArklyte there was a plot inside the USSR; the question isn't "was there a plot", but "how extensive was it?" and to that it's really hard to say. undeniable proof of a plot against the central committee in the USSR relies on two things: the personal correspondence of trotsky (which, as proven by a series of letters between himself and his son leon sedov that were confirmed to be legitimate by independent french investigators, lays out that a trotskyist anti-government bloc was formed and created in the government to start working against it in secret) and reliable testimony, the latter of which is far less common than the first. at the very least multiple factions formed to oppose the government and _some_ engaged in wreckage, but there's no proof that _most_ engaged in wrecking nor even that most wanted to overthrow the government. one's also gotta take into account that the absolute worst of the yezhovschinha was done _by_ yezhov without orders from the central committee or even the supreme soviet, which is ultimately why he was purged in 1938 and replaced (although the government's knowledge of yezhov's actions is debatable at best). if you want my take, i think the plot existed and had plans but it wasn't nearly as large as the government thought. it wasn't going to overthrow the government, but it was a threat; a threat whose explicit purpose was to start a second revolution. it wasn't large nor terrifically dangerous, but it existed and sabotaged the USSR to at least _some_ extent.

[@nathanplays5514]

@@TheArklytethat’s true, Trotsky had about 0 support in the ussr, everyone supported Stalin over him (because Stalin bribed them with positions early in his political career), and also because Trotsky had no way of realistically getting back in the ussr.

[@scyobiempire4450]

edit: the ‘new1930’ is set in (shockingly) 1930, under a year after Trotsky’s exile. if strict realism is a barrier, this mod may work. not sure if it’ll need console commands or not as it is relatively easy (original comment below) more realistically would be right opposition with cooperation with the left into return democracy to the party *however*, Trotsky USSR is very fun with the free war goals and uprisings behind enemy lines

[@MARK-gp9hb]

We did it guys, thanks to everybody who voted for this scenario and to Stakuyi for making this video

[@privatecanook]

Brother has had his peace

[@nonverbalpie8151]

HOORAY!

[@thedeadlydevils9130]

We did it, WE DID IT ATLAST

[@jackthorton10]

Huzzah!

[@BORLMBK]

What if the Saarland offensive was an actual offensive? (What if the allies attacked at the start of the war instead of barely pushing in and maintaining defensive positions then leaving?)

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

Mmmh they weren't ready for a full scale war in our timeline, they would have gotten crushed. But say they got more prepared in this new timeline then Germany wouldn't get a chance, that front was guarded very lightly and with enough preparation from the allies they could have got to the rhine, idk how things would go from then though, probably a stalemate over the river

[@mik3ehrmentraut]

Germany would've taken more time to take poland having now to move troops to the rhine. Possibly a new trench earfare would be born Italy would not join as it would see germany's strugle in the war

[@Battyj]

​@giulianopisciottano8302 they absolutely were ready for a full scale war, French leadership was just incompetent. The vast majority of the wermacht was in Poland, the forces defending in the west were empty divisions

[@thatoneguyiii1003]

What if the allies won the battle of France? (Everything up to 1939 is historical, but the Allies take react to the German push in the Ardennes and don’t get encircled at dunkirk)

[@commissarkordoshky219]

You mean - What if France's general staff wasn't incompetent?

[@piyo744]

i stand by my take that this should've been what happened. the ardennes offensive should NOT have worked

[@baileybrute5486]

Signal boost

[@noonespecial9704]

​@@piyo744Never would've happened if the French invaded as soon as poland was invaded

[@piyo744]

@@noonespecial9704 right, but what i mean is that the ardennes offensive _should not have worked_ because it was a really stupid idea

[@ZoggFromBetelgeuse]

There was a whispered joke (Flüsterwitz) going around in the 3rd Reich at the time: "My Führer, Italy has entered the war!" "No problem, we'll send a division to crush them." "No, no, they have entered the war on our side!" "Damn, this will cost us at least three divisions!"

[@SketchG]

​@@CVC174Hey the joke was funny

[@gabri-immortale]

Fake british propaganda because they were salty of losing to italians with no guns lol

[@prestonjones1653]

Funnily enough, while the Italians sucked on land they DOMINATED the waves. The Royal Italian Navy made the Kreigsmarine look like a joke.

[@SketchG]

@@CVC174 Because it's decades old???

[@andrew3203]

This is a re-made joke from the WW1, and the entrance of the Ottoman Empire in the war. On the side of the Central Powers, thus Germany's.

[@redshirt0479]

What if instead of supporting Austria-Hungary, Imperial Germany took the opportunity to try to take its germanic lands? WWI or similar mod of course. Been really enjoying these alt-histories, especially since they go so much into the logical set up unlike most others.

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

In great war redux you can actually do that and it's incredibly easy to capture Austria. And also you can reform the holy roman empire if you do.

[@guycrew3973]

Why’d they ever do that? It’s not a good look to destroy your only ally for land

[@Battyj]

Either it would be germany and Russia vs Britain, France, Austria and probably the ottomans, or Austria hungary gets completely partitioned and no one really cares, ww1 would start eventually just without Austria and a slightly stronger germany

[@georgebettasso1395]

What if Mussolini wait a little longer to declare war and not going to war on June 10, 1940 but wait until 1942.

[@JacobFraps]

At this time the usa, had already invaded north Africa from vinchy France, using both fronts the Italians would likely be crushed in libya in 1 month.

[@georgebettasso1395]

@@JacobFraps well no because if Italy would have waited for two years. If will be different in 1940 the a Italian navy out number the British royal navy 3 to 1.

[@JacobFraps]

@@georgebettasso1395 true true but At this point USA was in the war which would make that null, also its the Italian navy were talking about hehe

[@georgebettasso1395]

@@JacobFraps well that the problem when Italy 🇮🇹 declared war too early and was unprepared for modern war at the time in 1940. Still if the U.S. was to invade North Africa their still a lot of issues the Italian Air Force, Navy, then the Italian Army would have been more better equipped and trained, when the war broke out in June 1940 Italian Army still had 17 divisions that were under 50 % ready. That needed to be equipped, trained, organized.

[@JacobFraps]

@@georgebettasso1395 no I mean the usa had control of north Africa already in 1942, libya would be a 2 front war for the Italians. Giving italy time too prepare would also give the allies more time too prepare, resulting in the exact same fate

[@Gemoron]

What if Germany would have never broken the Molotov-Ribbentrop-Pact (non agression treatie between Soviets and Germany)? Viewed from the side of the soviets, if possible

[@ntfoperative9432]

Eventually Stalin would have broken it. Neither of them ever intended for it to last, Hitler just beat Stalin to the punch. Though if Stalin starts it, there’s a chance his “great patriotic war” rhetoric fails because the people don’t have a reason to side against Germany

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

​​@@ntfoperative9432 the ussr was a very unstable state at the time, you could say that ww2 helped it become more stable. If Stalin declared First there wouldn't be enough propaganda that could convince say the Baltics or the Ukrainians to fight, and many russians would probably sway to the germans too. Perhaps the ussr could win still, but with waaaaay greater losses and much more discontent among the population of the union, perhaps the soviet union would dissolve way before 1991 in this timeline due to the discontent and general independence sentiments across the union

[@theoutlander1411]

@@ntfoperative9432 From what I've seen, Stalin admired Hitler and he likely wouldn't have broken the pact seeing Hitler as an ally against Capitalism.

[@heiskanbuscadordelaverdad8709]

A lot of things would need to happen for that to be possible first one big part of nazi ideology was their opposition to communism and their desire for the lands in the east as living space second the nazis would need an alternative avenue for expansion maybe focusing on Scandinavia and maybe southeast europe and even then the Soviets would had need offer a lot of their resources specially oil to Germany at low and reliable prices

[@elseggs6504]

​@@theoutlander1411 Translation: He was waiting for Germany to fight in France so he can attack them while theyre distracted

[@axolotl_ink]

What if Sweden wasn't neutral during ww1

[@AvarageYoututbeUser]

Don't forget what if sweden joins the axis in ww2

[@obiwankenobi7306]

@@AvarageYoututbeUser thats quite unlikely due to the continued pressure Sweden received from both the allies and Germany alike. A more viable scenario would be something along the lines of ''What if Sweden defended Finland against the Soviets?''. In this scenario Sweden declares war against Soviet Union to defend Finland.

[@xdesai]

What if Poland accepted German demands and invaded the Soviet Union by their side

[@mik3ehrmentraut]

The axis would've lost anyways, but russia would've had far more losses

[@balinthehater8205]

​​​@@mik3ehrmentrautbritain and france would not have been pulled into the war though, which means germany would not declare war on the americans in 1941 because they would not be cobeligerents. The germans would not have needed to garrison the western front, would not have taken the casualties from western/northern europe and there would be no bottomless pit of resources that was rommel in africa. In short, the soviet union would be doomed. No lend lease(at least not on a massive scale), no extra fronts and with the polish military on the axis side.

[@mik3ehrmentraut]

@@balinthehater8205 well, if the allies don't get involved (unlikely) then yeah you are right

[@korgalis]

germany would do to poland what they did to czech republic.

[@Ashie690]

What if the Little Entente protected Czechoslovakia against Germany in the Munich Diktat?

[@randomacronym3628]

What if Greece held against the German invasion in 1940?

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

Literally how though?

[@mik3ehrmentraut]

Germany and italy would've sent more troops to fight the greeks Germany would delay barbarossa by 1 year Greece would fall due to it's inferior industry not able to maintan the war effort Italy and germany would fall before, in the start of 1945 due to attrition suffered to conquer and garrison a stronger and better greece

[@guycrew3973]

@@mik3ehrmentrautyou think Greece could delay Barbarossa for an entire year?

[@ordinaryrat]

@@guycrew3973 If Greece held against a German Invasion, I don't think Germany would ever launch Barbarossa lol. It would be such an embarrasing loss that HGasChamberGuy would probably fully restructure the German Army.

[@thomasgatley624]

What if the October Revolution never happened? (But the February Revolution still did)

[@andyfriederichsen]

Many people don't realize how different Mister NatSoc German Mustache Man and Mussolini were. They were FAR from natural allies like many people think.

[@GamingTillLate]

What if Japan went plan north & in a pre WW2 Bismarkian move, incited the USSR to attack them and subsequently get dog-piled by the Anti-Comintern Pact?

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

This one's really interesting, i don't think japan had the necessary strength to fight both china and the ussr though, they would lose that very badly

[@GamingTillLate]

@@giulianopisciottano8302 I've always thought if I were Japan, I would have tried to sign a peace with China just for a few provinces after a year or two

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

​@@GamingTillLate i dont think china would have accepted, remember that there was a nationalist government in charge at the time (not many remember that chiang kai shek was as much of a dictator as mao)

[@guycrew3973]

@@GamingTillLatethere’s no way in hell that the Japanese would do that and i doubt the USSR would declare war stalin was horrified of getting dogpiled also the Japanese will never do that they’d see as dishonorable

[@slime5182]

The Strassa Front is in the base game, and you can even do it as both France and Italy, I think you can also do ir as England but I'm not sure on that part.

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

You can't but you can form a faction with Italy if the uk is fascist

[@glauberglousger956]

You can definitely do it as France​@@giulianopisciottano8302

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

@@glauberglousger956 as France yes, but I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to the UK

[@mrnorms]

What if the Moroccan Crisis started WW1?

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

Good one

[@mrnorms]

​@@giulianopisciottano8302Thx

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Attempt 9: (Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?

[@treyangle3909]

What if the Soviet Union collapsed into several smaller states in a civil war?

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

You mean like during the second russian civil war in game or during the first one? Because during the first one it did collapse into smaller states, but they were quickly recaptured by the Soviets

[@PsychKenn23]

I enjoyed this what if concept. I'd add that at the end Italy would more than likely ally with Spain. Once the European democracies didn't have "mustache man" as a spooky threat they'd start to see the fascist regimes in a more hostile light. It would only make sense that the other big fascist state in Europe would align with Italy, especially given the aid given during the Spanish civil war.

[@jimbecker95]

What if France expanded the maginot line?

[@mik3ehrmentraut]

Would've helped to repell the germans for some months, but due to the budget focused now on building forts rather than upgrading rhe army, the french would still fall. (A maginot line in the nord wpuld take more than 3 years tho)

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

The Maginot line is a very complex subject, it was supposed to continue into Belgium, but Belgium was against it as it was a neutral state, then the purpose of the Maginot line changed, it was supposed to convey the German forces through Belgium, the french expected them to attack it. But they weren't expecting blitzkrieg tactics so the french army got crushed, then the government surrendered.

[@cassu6]

@@mik3ehrmentraut I don't think so. French had more than enough money to keep their army upgraded. They just didn't know how war in the 40s would be fought. I don't think the German forces could've ever punched through the maginot if it covered the whole front. Also it would've given the allies so much extra time to mobilize and learn.

[@mik3ehrmentraut]

@@cassu6 well, the french army in 1939-1940 still didn't use radio for coordination, had a poor military staff organizzation as well as having politcal/internal problems. Even if they managed to make a new maginot, new ways would've been found. Either a breakthrough throo the switz alps or, an invasion coordinated with the luftwaffen of strategic points of the new maginot. Either way, the terrain near belgium made any fortifications 10x more costly due to forests ecc.

[@kingslothii8557]

What if France didn't treat World War 2 as if it was going to be another World War 1?

[@blackrain711]

America actually joined the League of Nations with Teddy Roosevelt in charge.

[@512TheWolf512]

it's funny, but Mousolini is way more similar to the focus descriptions than you'd think, especially before the second word war

[@JackdawMiles]

What if King Edward refused to abdicate?

[@nonverbalpie8151]

OMG IT'S HERE!!! Thanks for delving into this suggestion that I and others have frequently requested. I always found this what if scenario highly fascinating and wanted your take on it and if it could've still happened. Again, thanks and I hope you have/are having a good time in Europe.

[@Fanstic10]

What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkan War? (GreatWarRedux)

[@markmarano913]

Thank you Stak! I've been waiting for the chance to find out more about the Stresa Front - I mean I could have researched it for myself, but that wouldn't have been as fun as seeing it demonstrated through HoI4!

[@ajuntapall8860]

I argue that the right choice during the Anschluss is "We can take them alone!" Mussolini had that Donald Trump mindset, just without the ability to back it up.

[@memesoldger1874]

Thank you for doing this Stak! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG

[@michaelreadman8493]

What if Joseph Chamberlain's idea of an imperial confederation between the British empire and it's colonies had actually occured?

[@Flying_kiwiYT]

FINALLY I have been asking for this for almost 2 MONTHS

[@vraptor313]

What if America went down the Monroe Doctrine

[@bolieve603]

Came here to say this. What if America just stuck with economic progress and stayed totally out, then tried to expand it's sphere of influence in the Americas, perhaps annexing Panama and Cuba

[@vraptor313]

@@bolieve603yes this is what I was trying to say but was not creative enough

[@Mr_Godmode]

What if the Qing survived (2)

[@khmil_0]

Finally! Been waiting a long time for this video.

[@Crptokid111]

It’s you from the YT shorts! No idea you had a HOI4 channel! So pumped to watch your videos

[@mattister2575]

I’ve been scrolling for hours thank you for having an appealing title

[@interficere4129]

5:22 Yup, he deleted the entire fleet, not just a BB XD

[@aderaderxy]

What if war didnt actually break out in Europe until 1943, when the Italians and the soviets would be much more prepared.

[@Battyj]

Everyone but germany and france would be more prepared. Germany was spending so much their economy was going to fold in on itself if they didn't expand and france was just not really preparing for war for some reason even when war was guaranteed. Italy would still be as weak, they had a weak economy and industry. It's Britain that would be way stronger, about 6 years of mobilisation would make them probably the strongest military in every factor including the army

[@vetrovladwindmaster1724]

These videos are so amazing

[@redeyeczletsplay3235]

What if Czechoslovakia would have resisted the Germans?

[@kingsimp1072]

Thank you so much ive been dying for this

[@Neptunes_Bounty]

A suprisingly wholesome timeline.

[@wariorwolf]

Speaking of mass chemical warfare in Ethiopia (5:59), what if that happened in europe during WW2? Germany had huge stockpiles of Sarin and the UK stockpiled Anthrax, so in my eyes it's more surprising it didn't happen.

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

The big H man got hit by gas during the first world war and swore to himself to never use it in battle as he knew the pain and horror by first hand. That's mainly why it was never used really, A.H. Was just really against it.

[@wariorwolf]

@@giulianopisciottano8302 True, but this is alt history. He was confronted with many horrors of war during ww1, but he came back in love with war. Only the gas scared him. So what if it didn't?

[@semajniomet981]

Apparently Churchill REALLY wanted to fire off chemical weapons against Germany, but his generals disagreed with him.

[@Battyj]

​@@semajniomet981no, gas was planned to be used only in the event of an invasion of Britain

[@undercoverboomer9692]

This is one of the most interesting series on yt low key

[@DonArturo69]

What if South Amerca had more participation in WW2?

[@danc3488]

It's incredible to me the possibilities that would've opened up if Moustache Man had been assassinated before the war started. Wow.

[@JimmyMcGlll]

You don’t pick mine. “ What if stakuyi didn’t leave his green screen in Florida?”

[@Burritodude227]

After so long, it finally happened

[@poisonmgaming3705]

What if the soviets struck first following the Munich conference.

[@cheererobinson475]

What if Australia was a power during ww1 and ww2? Like what would happen if the British built up Australia to be a bastion of British control in the pacific or Asia, or what if Oceania was united under British rule by a war with the Dutch and the territories given to Australia, or something along those lines.

[@lawmannewman]

This was my choice! No idea what it was before but sounded super interesting! Great choice lol

[@bettaking4862]

What if Poland sided with Germany to only stab mustache man later in the war?

[@Mr_Godmode]

What if the Ottomans survived after WW1 (they still lost it but weren't beaten afterwards) (6)

[@Rip-d1h]

My brain is fried first time reading the title is what if Italy sided with the aliens in ww2? lol

[@BakedClams]

What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkan War?

[@adamhitchcock1203]

I always wondered what is Italy hadn’t joined the axis. Especially given the animosity between mustache man and megalomaniac mousalini

[@teadrinker1632]

What if the Maginot line was expanded to cover all of Frances eastern boarder?

[@TheBlasphemite]

Alternate history always interests me as a history buff.

[@DevixianTheOriginal]

Not my choice, you're choice, I WAS LITERALLY THE DUDE WHO PITCHED THE IDEA IN YOUR COMMENTS!

[@facumod1932]

Im unsure if you only do ww1 and ww2 videos of what if, but i could ask what would happen if the spanish empire never fell?. Based on the pax hispanica mod of victoria 3, that mod where instead of a british rule, the spanish were the biggest colonial superpower of their era, napoleon never betrayed spain in this timeline

[@detachedobserver]

Week 5 of asking @stakuyi to play Communist Hippogriffia in HoI4 EaW: Basically everything is mostly straght-forward, but I should notice that in case of losing North Zebrican War - Hippogriffia will get one of bad endings. Also you SHOULD be nice, otherwise Posada get depressed and commits nuclear self-un-aliving with 5 possible quick endings after that. In theory you can spare scientists for sweet-sweet bonuses only if you don't take other unethical options. Also side-note: Macawia does NOT affect on outcome, but if chose to get a puppet, they'll get a nice custom flag and also if you spare Razorbeak, she'll get amnesty at the end with a fun event. The last thing: No, you won't declare war on every nation, but you get a bunch of bonuses with new project of deep-penetration bomber(you need super-large airframe for that) and you need to justify on all supremacist nations(you get a discount on that too) until there will be left none and then press an event in the decisions. DO NOT USE H-BOMB!!! I REPEAT - NO ACTIVE THERMONUCES OR YOU'LL GET A SEMI-BAD END!!! It's a long run, but it's so op!

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

What if china sided with the axis

[@roach8676]

Do "What if Russia was competent in WW1"

[@chadpemberton3687]

Hey Stakuyi I had recently found your channel and have greatly enjoyed your hoi4 alternate history videos. I think I have one for you to try. What if Germany continued to back China instead of Japan?

[@Trawk101]

14:54 I believe RT56 by default has most of the nation’s set to random for some reason or at least quite a few under the custom game settings

[@TheTrueAdept]

... given just how shafted Italy felt at Versailles? Yeah, that takes seriously extreme alien space bats to happen.

[@davidzak2237]

What if Greece realised the megali idea

[@SethH-r9v]

What if Mexico joined World War One, with the central powers.

[@nolifealan9746]

I was always suggesting this one I'm glad to see it

[@blackmoon7600]

Love the content stakuyi, keep it up

[@tacomeister4130]

What if Belgium knew about the blitz (video two of asking)

[@Collinized]

1 Hour Special of What if Operation Unthinkable occurred after WW2 probably by using RT56

[@theeradicator110]

What if Germany didnt start WW2 until 1942?

[@philibertyt2844]

I think it makes a lot of sense if u do the poll on the discord server with ppl with higher level getting more votes since (usually) high level=decent historical knowledge

[@philibertyt2844]

@Eterna7Plays Yes but even if my suggestion isn't the most right way at least some clarification for each scenario should be stated in the polls since ppl will gravitate to well-known things rather than less known things

[@leggit1454]

What if the Britain and France stood up to the remilitarization of the Rhineland?

[@youngoden4106]

What if operation unthinkable happened?

[@ChilledGamerUK]

What if the Philippines invaded Japan during WW2

[@joveninocando1386]

I have a question how will the Philippines invade japan?

[@Grampa_Swood]

France actually has an option in their tree for the Stresa Front, so you'd have to tag switch between the nations.

[@harmonicadude4732]

What happens if the Spanish civil war happened earlier and ended sooner. Then Spain joins the axis and goes in on France from the south.

[@sirmcsquizzy]

What if Poland held out during the war?

[@juicebox6581]

That's a crazy what if. The idea that Italy would ever go against hitler....wild....oh wait...

[@XHU524-OFSET5]

Yea, I really wanted to see this!

[@adamklaits6379]

What if France actually tried with their invasion of Germany in 1939 and tried to help Poland?

[@hHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH3]

Hey Man congrats on the verified checkmark! I remember it not being there a little while ago, it is new, right?

[@Dutch_Man68]

What if Bulgaria won in both balkan wars, and world wars (if allies in ww2)

[@tacticianM]

What if the us joined the central powers

[@adda5230]

YEEEEEEAAHH, Finally we got this one

[@theelectro6812]

what if Texas remained independent(Victoria 3)

[@Canada1994]

I wanted you to do this one for a while

[@steelsightsman]

I could see another war breaking out over Romania; with the breakdown of the Italo-Soviet treaties.

[@GamerX13X]

Jack Rackam did a video on this recently, about the nonsensical relationship between the major axis powers, from start to finish

[@offsedd8520]

what if the Intermarium existed

[@CommanderKraft]

What if Czechoslovakia rejected the German demands?

[@Xander-cg8fw]

What if the Soviet Union wins the Cold war

[@XZelectro]

I will stop asking :( No Bosnia in Millenium Dawn

[@thecrazyyoutuber2017]

These are honestly interesting and entertaining 😂😂

[@Astuddd]

I’m hyped fr

[@Bagel121]

A New Bagel Empire is formed in Germany during the interwar period