Hoi4: What if Germany Continued to Try Diplomacy?

[@DrHouseMusic]

German political policy or "goal" was very malleable during the time of the war and changed depending on what was currently happening. Poland was originally going to be a natural ally because of their stance against communism and Russia, as well as the recent Polish-Soviet war. UK was pushing the Polish government for war because they were afraid of German influence. Germany and Pilsudski's plan was to build a railway through Gdynia and create an international zone but he died before that could be accomplished. Hitler even attended his funeral to pay respects.

[@V-412]

Wow, it's surprising

[@andrewrogers3067]

Can I read on this railway?

[@rap88ful]

To be even more in detail, there were actual talks between Forein Ministries of Germany and Poland to not oppose Adolf's Lebensraum project, which if Piłsudzki would be still alive could have intresting results due to events from 1920. + if I'm not mistaken, the only picture of Hitler in church is actually from Piłsudzki's funeral

[@DrHouseMusic]

@@rap88ful the butterfly effect

[@TheArklyte]

Then nothing would change as 1937 was a year Stalin, Mao and japanese generals decided to play a little game...

[@pendantairplane]

Idea: go Imperial Germany but instead of focusing on tanks and army, focus on creating a navy that can rival Britain’s and create a proper colonial empire to fulfill Wilhelm II’s dream

[@Stux6-3]

There is a popular theory: if the mustache man actually accepted the (reasonable) advice to produce loads of subs instead of the useless but glorious heavy ships, they could have stabilized the situation in the channel. In the early phase they could do nothing against the subs (they even reached the sores of the US) , so if there was even more pressure things could have been different.

[@Mustapha1963]

@@Stux6-3 I've read that the construction of the two Bismarck-class battleships took the same amount of resources as it would have taken to build 200 early-war U-Boats.

[@Yuki-Dassou]

​@@Stux6-3только это никак бы не помогло гитлеру банально потому что канал слишком узкий для набивания его таким колличеством подлодок, да и переплыть Ла-Манш в любом случае он бы не смог. Как говорят в России, шило на мыло, т.е. сменить одну бесполезную вещь на другую не менее бесполезную

[@Josephgoebblez]

​​@@Stux6-3This proposal is the biggest fallacy that people believe. Simple, Karl Donitz did not have access to Germany's economic accounts, the mustacheman had,It's simple, German oil was tiny, to support frickin 300 submarines they would have to practically ignore the airforce and army, that's the same as saying the Germans could have won producing infinite light tanks instead of heavy tanks,its simple,they dont had the oil for it

[@Pecktackular-9000]

Idea: What if the Sikes-Picot agreement was never made?

[@maxtex60n40]

What is that about?

[@ougasinge]

@@maxtex60n40 sharing of ottoman's lands between UK and France around the middle east

[@maxtex60n40]

@@ougasinge thanks man 👍

[@TGM3141]

the first thought that came to mind was an anarchist state because of radicalism and radically different people. fascism’s probably just gonna ride like crazy.

[@tuluppampam]

​@cubefreak123they had actually spoken with the locals, but then they went with their Sykes-Picot agreement. They straight up betrayed the trust given by the locals.

[@totolias2010]

Also you underestimate greek people's balls to not submit to others. Their motto is literally "freedom or death"

[@JahJah-CleverHandle]

CALL TO ARMS BANNERS FLY IN THE WIND FOR THE GLORY OF HELLAS COAT OF ARMS READING FREEDOM OR DEATH BLOOD OF KING LEONIDAS

[@totolias2010]

@@JahJah-CleverHandle clearly more nationalistic than I am but I respect it

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

Inside every Greek there is one from Sparta and one from Athens. Both are gay

[@colincantara7699]

@@totolias2010 Love how tour like "Damn, and I thought I was patriotic" lol🤣

[@panachevitz]

@@totolias2010They are lyrics from a Sabaton song.

[@SonOfNone]

Holy crap this was awesome! I live that you tied actual history into what happened in-game, and it flowed beautifully. Well done!

[@vex3488]

Ah yes Rimmy Down-under Gaming, the Peaceful Germany Game that started it all

[@Ian501st]

My life never was the same after

[@Spanishinquisition98]

Im still pushing to see you cover Oswald Mosley, so once again, ill say "What if Britain went fascist under Oswald Mosley?". I honestly think hes an interesting figure in our history that doesnt get talked about, and I think youd have a lot of fun with it too. Failing that, ill also suggest doing the kings party route in "what if Edward VIII never abdicated?"

[@Gabberag]

I think the outcome of Mosley would be sort of the same as in this video but with Brittish troops joining in vs the Soviets. perhaps some secceding overseas territories.

[@wtls000]

He wasn’t that interesting. Mostly a failure at everything he did and barely even believed the stuff he was saying, just wanted to trade on Nazi popularity. At its peak his party only had a few thousand members behind it. If anything, Oswald is talked about too much. Having said that, I still want to see Stak do your idea 😂👍

[@mappingshaman5280]

​@wtls000 nah he was the only pacifistic and arguably non nationalist (he wanted to give northern ireland to Ireland and wanted a European super state) fascist. He also had some interesting ideas to do with democracy and the economy such as his idea that only people who work in a field should vote for the government minister of that field e.g doctors and healthcare

[@wtls000]

@@mappingshaman5280 fair enough. We’ll argued 😅👍

[@sanfander]

he opposed Hitler after the war started so dunno what he would've done tbh

[@nikt9066]

What i love in your videos is that instead of just conquering the world using an alternate path you are doing a lot of rp in there which is much more interesting and fun to watch

[@mrSaber79]

That was a really cool hybrid between a narrative of the game reacting to you AND a history lesson! Wonderful job man!

[@omnizon8951]

I love this series please continue it

[@achilliesrun5162]

What if Japan didn't attack in pearl harbor and continued their invasion in asia/russia

[@elduquecaradura1468]

So... bypass the philipines? That focus exist in the japanese political focus branch

[@kiyoraka3537]

news of japanese war crimes would enrage americans enough to where they feel a need to intervene, probably just later than 1941 though if germany didnt do a lusitania v2

[@slitlord6790]

they attacked pear harbor because the US stopped trade because how cruel they were to china, so its kinda something set in stone, it woule be cool to see how he would make it work

[@WeAreRisenzUPS]

@@slitlord6790pretty sure they didn’t care for China, think it was French Indochina

[@WeAreRisenzUPS]

@Brxwn9 I didn’t know there was a US populace in China, that’s an interesting thing I’ve never heard pointed out. But that is honestly a good point, I agree with your logic there.

[@ShoggothsAway]

I don't have the patience to learn how to play HoI, so thanks for making these videos so I can play vicariously.

[@InfinityHS]

💯💯💯

[@schmerik2963]

if you tag switch between countries and need to continue the game just type in: ai + the tag of the countrie you´re playing for this game: ai ger and the ai wont mess with your divisions etc

[@n00b5lay3r]

I've been using this for role playing

[@sqwidlord8344]

Hey stakuyi I just graduated and I wanted to say thanks for getting me through many long nights of studying and for helping to inspire me to become a history teacher thanks man keep up the good work

[@orashitaneshi359]

That's so cool ! Great for you !

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

I'm doing engineering but I absolutely LOVE history.

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

Specifically just like wars and that stuff. I also like strange and unknown military vehicles like the Vespa 150 TAP or the To-Ku, or even the Perrinelle-Dumay Amphibious Heavy Tank

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

The last one is a paper tank

[@user-chumbuck3t]

I must say your profile picture rocks

[@agentofchaos3015]

You forgot there is focuses to align Turkey, Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden, and Norway to the Axis

[@PDRstudiosAviation]

"German dominated customs union" Well, they succseeded

[@edelweiss7928]

Keyword: German, not Jewish.

[@PDRstudiosAviation]

@@edelweiss7928 fr

[@Spuurtzithink]

@@edelweiss7928wdym by not Jewish?

[@prestonjones1653]

​@@edelweiss7928 Just because your brain is missing doesn't mean the Jews stole it.

[@Minecraftzocker135]

You really need a mod called Toolpack. It enables all kinds of cheats like transferring land to countries, create dismantle join and leave factions for all countries and a lot more. It might say it's not made for the current version of the game but it works great anyways

[@kyleschafer6275]

Using OTL and a little imagination its not hard to imagine the following border changes 1 Eastern Karelia to Finland (was promised OTL before Barbarossa) 2 Romania gets land East of Besserabia ( like OTL) 3 Poland annexes Lithuania (Poland wanted a port, hard to imagine funny mustache man wouldnt care to much about Lithuania for Danzig) 4 Germany trades Western Savoy for South Tyrol and Trentino for western savoy( OTL italy didnt do to good in invading France, if it goes the same, why not do a swap).

[@Grogu99]

Love those historical facts you tell in your videos. Also enjoy your Podcast a lot recently. Wish you all the best man.

[@elpanchomayonesa8069]

20:57 i love how calm you sound when you say "remove the population" lmao

[@edelweiss7928]

Because it’s untrue lol

[@elpanchomayonesa8069]

@@edelweiss7928 it's not, lebensraum was escentially that

[@Spuurtzithink]

@@edelweiss7928?

[@edelweiss7928]

@@elpanchomayonesa8069 it is, that’s not what Lebensraum was, not to the scale that it’s said it was anyway, they wanted to settle some specific areas in Poland, Ukraine and Russia but the idea that they wanted to completely remove the population is nonsense

[@edelweiss7928]

@@Spuurtzithink ?!

[@marceloforce002]

Video 11 of asking stakuyi to play as the Katzenartig Imperium in equestria at war It is an april fools collaboration between the devs from EaW and the devs from the stellaris mod Gigastructural Engineering, the nation is the kingdom of abyssinia, you play as Kaiser Kattail, who has just arrived from another reality and attempts to take over the world utilizing his knowledge of mechanized warfare and megastructures to give his empire a gigantic edge. (for his focus tree to show up, you have to enable it at the game rules menu at the bottom)

[@wislordthewhite2823]

I support this cause

[@andrewrogers3067]

Okay, how possible was this in real life, this guy makes it make WAY too much sense!

[@hypotheticalaxolotl]

The main problem is that the changes it would take to Mustachio and 1930s Germany to make this somewhat feasible would require Nazi Germany to... No longer be "Nazi." The arrogance of Ribbentrop to the Poles wasn't just a character flaw, but part and parcel with the "master race" ideology, as an example.

[@whitehawk4099]

A large issue is that the Soviet Union is assumed to be completely unreactive to changing circumstances. In this scenario, they invade Finland despite it participating in a pact explicitly aimed against them. To contrast with history, the Soviet invasion of Finland prompted the involvement or planned involvement of nine foreign nations, those being Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Hungary, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. The Soviet-Finnish armistice was signed on March 12th of 1940, which was the day that the first British-French-Polish echelon was scheduled to arrive in Finland. That is, at least, on Allied planning documents. Stalin and the Soviet leadership were very canny in terms of foreign affairs. Any kind of scenario where this kind of thing happens is essentially "what if all the Soviet leadership suddenly had brain damage".

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@whitehawk4099to be fair, the Soviet leadership had brain damage in real life.

[@whitehawk4099]

@@andrewrogers3067 Some of them, sure, but it didn't prevent them from being incredibly effective at what they were doing.

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@whitehawk4099Wouldn’t call the winter war effective, but I’m just fooling around

[@nilgunpass]

Awesome how you conducted the whole thing. Awesome video

[@archapmangcmg]

Editing glitch around 21:20 where the video and audio skips back a second or so.

[@heavyhebrew]

I just watched your What If Spain Had Joined WW2 on the Axis video, pondered "what if mustache man had tried to be smarter, and used guile instead of force?", and VIOLA, search function away here I am

[@gabealtf]

I think you make my favourite hoi4 content, coz you give historical commentary while playing and as a history geek… i appreciate that.

[@Dxsrxpt]

i really love these What if videos they are really interesting and fun to look

[@OverlordMalarkey]

I would love you to return to this idea with the new German rework DLC coming out soon

[@AnimeFreak40K]

Putting this back out there because 'why the heck not'? So some 'What If's for possible future stuff: - What if the Kodaha Faction succeeded in taking over the military and pulling the Emperor into more direct control? (Japan Monarchist/Non-Aligned path) - What if Poland, despite all odds, was able to get its act together and either resist the Germans or, perhaps, ally with them against the Soviets? (Poland cedes Danzig, goes fascist or something else entirely...having Wojtek lead the way would be extra hilarious) - What if Italy manages to not be completely incompetent (A rebirth of the Roman Empire...especially if by the Pope would be hilarious) - What if Germany somehow, through some wild twists of fate, somehow manages to bring back the Holy Roman Empire? (not sure if you've done this 'hidden' path yet for Germany or not)

[@arthurfisher582]

I'd love to see an Anarchist Spain video. Mostly because it's a fascinating period of history and I've love to hear it discussed in more detail.

[@23Guille23]

It is a very interesting scenario, with all East Europe and Soviet Union under German sphere, probably the allies would lose if the Germans decided to attack.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

It would probably be a race against time for Germany, because the German economy was very debt driven so it's war machine was very dependent on the exploitation of conquered areas, so I imagine it all depends on if the allies would be able to hold out long enough (especially in their colonies) that civil unrest and eventual unhappiness in the population is enough to drive the Germans over the edge

[@mnf4973]

As he said in the video they would still need to consolidate the captured soviet union, not leaving much force to fight the allies. If they did, france would still have fallen, but perhaps the UK would keep fighting on if Neville steps down and Churchill comes into power, funding resistance movements through the former ussr, yugoslavia and greece to hinder their war effort, sealion would still be impossible as the germans didnt have the naval means to mantain or supply an invasion, the battle of britain would still take place, this time the germans wouldnt be too pressed by fuel and material shortages, but with the rsistance in conquered countries hindering fuel extraction and delivery, a similar outcome could have happened. USA would not be too happy with Germany dominating all of europe so it would still help britain and later join the allies after japan decares war on them. After that ww2 goes as it went, with a popular uprisings in the ussr and yugoslavia, the defeat of the axis in africa and the eventual defeat of the war. The war eventually ends with many more casualties and destruction All of this is assuming poland, the baltics and finland remain unknowing of the german genocide, that would have been exposed by espionage by the allies which could make them turn against germany fight with the allies

[@fredfinks]

But he didnt want a war with them. For all intents and purposes, Germany has won. And there was no war of aggression. It was defence

[@halabhalab-t7f]

i cant get the image of hitler trying to talk things out diplomaticly, and when the go wrong he just puts a gun to their head, "what about now?" out of my head

[@TheBlasphemite]

They say communication is key in relationships.

[@thatoneguy5550]

You can turn off a country ai by typing ai [country tag]. It's a needed command when you want to switch from your primary country to another for a scenario.

[@MrFoxUltima]

This is such a fun style of video

[@sblbb929]

The Hunger-plan thing wasn't "quickly found". It first became an interpretation of Germany wartime goals by historians in the 90s. And it's still being debated whether this one document it's based on was an actual plan or just a detached calculation of the consequences of an invasion

[@kyleallison2827]

Love these videos. Having the game be a platform for the history lesson is just wonderful.

[@GenuineGuitar56]

Ive been so used to ask for a kamchatka game in tno but now i got better idea. Millennium dawn Comoros

[@alexkudzin4980]

What if Japan managed to rescue Alexi Romanov during the Japanese Siberian Intervention?

[@Tokugawa__]

And now we need Switzerland

[@Warpmek]

I remember trying this. IOt was Hilarious I got EVERYTHING I wanted and I was like "Cool, but what about War?"

[@lukuria]

These Alternate History videos are the best tbh

[@CreepidJoker]

The mustache man would never do anything wrong

[@hydronpowers9014]

That thumbnail is so funny 😂

[@theelitegamer7015]

Video Suggestions: What if the Weimar Republic didn't fail or collapse? (Hoi4 Video)

[@sparky6855]

Idea: What if Germany and Italy went to war over Austria?

[@glitchvlogs6597]

It's a good day when Stakuyi posts a video about Hoi4

[@Antarctic_Leader]

Ah, I already have done this

[@Carlo-rg4ke]

New video of stayuki, real paradise

[@petermatthewnewman6120]

If you want to readjust borders to make it more acceptable, the state transfer tool is probably the one that might suit you best

[@SanctusBacchus]

lol Germany did try to continue diplomacy, but the so-called "Allies" wouldn't hear it.

[@dvader2004]

Even tho my idea wasn't picked, this was a great video, I can't wait to see the other alt history videos to come!!!!

[@Ben-rd3mg]

This is a really fun way to make an alternate history

[@progaming8260]

Bro Germany is so good I beat the game in elite mode with minimal effort and I am playing this game for a month now

[@alion7830]

All that while i struggle against Bulgaria as Romania with a twice as big army😭

[@InfinityHS]

How tho? Thats wicked, have you tried that with the new doc yet?

[@lovelylavenderr]

A Moseley or Kodoha (Northern/Army Doctrine) Japan would be really cool to see next.

[@AdiGInDaHouse123]

as a Pole, I love the way you pronounce Zaolzie

[@DanielJackson98]

16:19 hey man, old habits die hard

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Hoi4: What if Germany Continued to Try Diplomacy? Momentum 100

[@bowaxer7952]

Screw it, let’s try again. Video suggestion: what if the anarchists won the Spanish civil war?

[@MatthiasSchindler]

the 4 jahres plan was to get autarky with iron ore and steel production. it was said building takes 2 years and the steel for building the buildings for the industry would take 2 years to produce (produced by those very steel mills). so 4 years. yet the Herrmann Göring (Steel) Werke never achieved to produce the steel it cost to build up until the end of the war. so if they didnt do this they might have had an easier time^^

[@Bumpy_18]

Ah yes, the classic Stakuyi yearly peaceful Hitler game

[@geokou7645]

GERMANY COULD NOT ANNEX THE WHOLE OF THE USSR AND DIDNT EVEN WANT TO. LEBENSRAUM WENT UP THE THE URALS AT MAXIMUM.

[@retkimuna]

I don't know why youtubers annex everything they can. Its so lame

[@socire72]

Most likely the AA-Line (Astrakhan - at the mouth of the Volga at the Caspian Sea) and (Arkhangelsk - Soviet far north)

[@geokou7645]

@@socire72 bingo. Also 🔥 pfp

[@socire72]

@@geokou7645 thanks bro :) have a nice day my friend.

[@idecanymoretbh]

@@socire72 Why the AA line? That was the military goal for Operation Barbarossa. The settlement itself was supposed to contain the Urals.

[@ELIYA-SAFARIEDITZL]

Everytime that i see the Atlantis video that has stakuyi in it : THAT'S STAKUYI 🗣🗣🗣 MY BOY 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@funandstudies2689]

What if "itle"r wanted to unify all germanic lands

[@SuzziePoterdumm]

Dude your voice makes me fall asleep.. I dont even play that game. My Bf does and sometimes I hear your voice from him watching you. And omg it makes me so sleepy. Please keep these videos going. ♥

[@MrMaxamumdes]

😂 Diplomatic Germany and one of the first things we get told is were not doing some specific diplomancy is hilarious

[@giovanni5447]

What if Stak didn’t drop a good video? The world will never know .

[@MCCamels]

Nice lore using the peaceful route!

[@wargamesmaster]

What if Mussolini was competent enough to achieve his "Roman ambitions"? At least realistically enough to be both satisfied and not have the entire world as an enemy.

[@mathieugariepy2948]

Great video!

[@RPGirlZera]

Imjin War - I would love to see what would have happened if Toyotomi Hideyoshi conquered the Korean Peninsula and China. I feel like it could be an interesting avenue. I don't know if HoI4 goes back that far but it is an interesting thought.

[@theChaosKe]

Germany could have really just sit back and most things would have gone in their favor, anschluss, sudetenland, maybe even danzig. The poles even build a second port expecting they might not hold danzig forever.

[@alexzandrsokolov3184]

What if : Stakuyi played the Red Flood Mod? Crazy scenario.

[@unityblender2252]

Great job, could you do a scenario if the Everything went wrong for Germany? Or, if Germany went super aggressive in 1936. Nonetheless, great Job!

[@glauberglousger956]

If you set the AI to Fascist non historical, they do so, and it ends quite well usually

[@Gruyntake]

Thousand weeks reich mod with this german version needs to happen

[@darkequation]

In my playthrough Finns didn't sign the pact but Poles did, also Lithanian and Estonian was annexed, will that make a difference? how do I make sure they all sign it and keep their balls?

[@theunderboss2088]

We need a redo of this video with the new DLC!

[@ichsagnix4127]

A European customs union heavily dominated by Germany, are we talking about the present day EU?

[@Kamel-d7o]

I need to ask this, in tge Kaiserredux A to Z, did you forget Burma? They have in my opinion a better Focus tree than Bhutan.

[@rdcflipneigh906]

Stakuyi! Love your videos especially HOI4 EAW as a pony lover myself. If you ever do EAW, you should try the Crystal Empire as the Crystal Pony's Republic its interesting being surrounded :D

[@caidthackeray8896]

I just started this playthrough today, how funny.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

The first thing the Germans would have done after defeating the soviet union is build train tracks. Lots of meters wide train tracks for their megatrains to populate the land they conquered.

[@mrjerppa3833]

What If Finland joined the Allies before Winter War would be cool

[@tylerp6381]

World War 1 is my favorite conflict. Could you do an alt history for if Germany didn't mess up with unrestricted submarine warfare, the Zimmerman telegram, ECT ECT with either Victoria 2 or 3. Also a post war world scenario would be lovely.

[@lantredasphodele5858]

What if Germany wanted to get back the old time of monarchy in Europe ? (meaning trying to restore as many crown around them as they can like Belgium, Netherland, Austrai-Hungary, Poland etc)

[@ajoyrockets9894]

What if the western world acted on the second Italo-Ethiopian war even thought Italy left the league of nations .

[@itstaylor2137]

Could we please get a part two seeing how long the Reich could last against rebellions, foreign opposition, etc. Could the Reich really last a thousand years?

[@Shirokroete]

I've survived one hoi4 run and it was pretty much this lol I was too afraid to war others

[@Geshiko-GuP]

Ain't no way Germany takes even a mm beyond the Urals

[@lukefriesenhahn8186]

If you want to learn about the British-German negotiations during the mid 30s, Zoomer Historian has great videos explaining the details. For you historians out there, here are the links to the videos about Hitler's life along with negotiations from 1934-1938. (1934-1936)- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKfXoWeVZq2Sbs0 (1936-1937)- kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKXGlaKvrbuMrdU (1937-1938)- kzbin.info/www/bejne/jauaonp_ZsSLe7c

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

Linking a far right nazi youtuber 😂😂

[@MoneyIsSilver]

Germany tried diplomacy irl, and it didn't work out.

[@mikmic7437]

Day 6 of asking Stakuyi to continue playing Kaiserredux A to Z, so he can reach Malta and hopefully plays Mintoff.

[@cartershlds15]

I love these now

[@hahahagreatname]

What if Japan realized that fighting the USA was a really really fucking bad idea, and didn't attack them. Do you think USA still enters the war? does Japan see a better future with diplomacy with the states, is it even possible to become allies, or does it just make things worse for them.

[@trialmoss7516]

You should try diplomacy Germany in the mod uumc, think it’d be a fun challenge cause there’s a lot more options for forming Allie’s and ubjugating countries than in vanilla

[@kyleblankiv7589]

Alternate title what if England was receptive

[@Tom-jg9de]

Idea: what if Trocky come back and startet a civil war in soviet union?

[@WEITERSport.TV1]

i hear a Zillertaler Hochzeitsmarsch in the background

[@notbanjelacic]

Saw the thumbnail and thought it was a Let 3 - Mama ŠČ parody video lmao