What if Myke Hideous started with the Misfits instead of Michale Graves in 1995?

[@zippymufo9765]

Graves wrote most of the music for AP and FM, so you're really getting into some "alternate timelines" trying to imagine what Hideous might have written with them.

[@SlashManEXE]

I always miss the good shows. Myke said in his book that the Misfits were a stepping stone for him, but that was with the mindset of him being Michale’s replacement. He’s written a bunch of songs on the 98 tour at Jerry’s behest to be Misfits songs. When that didn’t work out, he released 3 or 4 of them with his own bands (trying to track those CDs down)

[@Frumess]

This is a clip from a super old show.

[@SlashManEXE]

@@Frumess I know it's like a year old, but I came here after Myke just shared it on his page

[@Frumess]

@@SlashManEXE ahhh, that explains the uptick I saw on my channel analytics.

[@jackbundy5183]

Well, now I want to live in a universe where Peter Steele was the singer of the Misfits

[@Frumess]

Me too I think, except they called themselves, "The Resurrections"

[@Lord-Stanhope]

How about a woeld where Danzig sung for Type o

[@Frumess]

@@Lord-Stanhope that would rule! I would have loved to seen a Steele/Danzig colab

[@Lord-Stanhope]

@@Frumess that wouldve been better than a Marvel/DC crossover. Too bad they both had problems.

[@Frumess]

@@Lord-Stanhope we got that Marvel/DC crossover a few times..

[@clausjahnel5379]

Was lucky enough to see Myke perform with the Misfits in Stuttgart (in 1998 I'd guess), when he filled in for Graves who left shortly before the tour. IMO Hideous was like 20 times more fitting than Graves, vocalwise but also in style and attitude. I firmly hoped that he'd stay with the band... they had a huge option here, but somehow didn't notice.

[@xx7secondsxx]

Dude... if graves wasnt there, they wouldn't have hit the mark the way they did. They were bigger than they'd ever gotten. Made the crossover of a "cult" band instead of hitting the level they did. I mean on WCW n TV n stuff. Glenn coming back would've never worked. Would've lost danzig when they got into their best era (4-7) and they would've imploded. I saw at the show in O town at House of blues when the Misfits broke up. Couldn't believe it! I love vintage but the 90's n early 2000's fits were gold. Can't be touched! Its 2 different bands really. The Only Jerry fits.. yea, that blehhh. The live stuff that got out with Hideous.... he lived up to his name! It was too blehhh. Graves did an amazing job. No one could've filled those boots better

[@Frumess]

Peter Steele would have been amazing. So many people were at the final show. What do you remember seeing from your POV?

[@aaronruiz2896]

Wish I could have been apart this video.

[@Frumess]

What would you have said?

[@robpetersen87]

Both of their voices perfectly fit the dad metal sound that they were evolving from Kryst the Conqueror. I don’t think the albums would have been hugely different, except didn’t Graves write all or most of Dig Up Her Bones? If so, I’d miss that track, but I bet Hideous would have brought some neat stuff to the table to make up for it.

[@Frumess]

It would have been way more goth.

[@psychosick51]

It's hard for me to imagine mainly cause I'm not too familiar with anything Myke has done by himself, but I think overall Michael was the right choice I like his voice more much more than Myke. Tho I will say he would have been the best replacement for Michael after he left the band.

[@Frumess]

Myke would have worked. He needed more preparation.

[@bezoticallyyours83]

I'm in the same boat, I'm not all that familiar with Empire Hideous either.

[@joshbachelder1343]

I've always wondered what could've happened, love everything Myke has done after the misfits! I would trade Famous monsters to see what Myke can do with them! They would still have alot of the songs from famous monsters just with him on vocals

[@Frumess]

It would have been interesting, that's for sure.

[@bezoticallyyours83]

Uh I wouldn't. No offense to Hideous, but it's a really fun album.

[@sic6664]

​@@bezoticallyyours83 It's my favourite Misfits-album.

[@ben14326]

Graves wrote the best songs that era. It's a shame he couldn't man up and show up to anything on time. Dude squandered the biggest opportunity he ever had and has been in free fall ever since.

[@winstonsmith6457]

Even if hiddeouse got in the band first and made an album as good or even better than American phyco, people would just hate on it the same!! It would be the new misfits andthe same people would would hate it!

[@Frumess]

Because the biggest problem is calling it Misfits... More than the singer. The band is valid in any configuration without the name..

[@winstonsmith6457]

@@Frumess i agree

[@bezoticallyyours83]

That's true, but then Graves era Misfits has its fair share of fans.

[@winstonsmith6457]

@@bezoticallyyours83 Definetly!! I love graves era!

[@billy6220]

Has everyone forgotten that Dave Vanian was approached, but had too many financial and contractual demands?

[@Frumess]

I don't think that is why he didn't do it, but that would have been amazing too. And GD would have been furious.

[@billy6220]

@@Frumess Well, Jerry mentioned it in an interview in an interview back in magazine days (good luck tracking that down!) but I knew a guy who played in played in Genitorturers who played a show or fest with them I think around 96 and shot the breeze with Jerry for a while. He brought it up and Jerry said it would have been great, Dave was interested but "wanted all kinds of s***" -Just my second hand story, I would love to hear it from Dave Vanian himself. Still don't understand why no one has done an entire interview with him just about The Misfits, covering the botched England tour, Archangel, and all the other related stuff.

[@adamsalazar9301]

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[@adamsalazar9301]

I don't think he was at all interested. Lol It woulda been somethin though.

[@billy6220]

@@adamsalazar9301 thanks for the link! Somehow missed that particular Nardwar. I don't know, looks like he just didn't want to talk about it. Not enough smart people did interviews and docs in the 90's and now so many of these guys just aren't interested in going over old business, or they can't even remember at this point. Oh well.

[@davymag3476]

Long hair fella on the bottom left needs to learn to let people talk. Top right guy is a real hero

[@weswr7785]

That singer from Faith NO More is only lead that could even come close to Graves

[@carriedairy]

What if Glenn came back in 95? I'm sure this has been discussed many times but it's still cool to think about.

[@Frumess]

That would have ruled! And I bet they would have tried to make an album..

[@zippymufo9765]

Everyone definitely wanted it to happen. There were a lot of people who just refused to take the 90's Misfits seriously or listen to their music. Time always changes perspective, and the Graves era is viewed more positively now, but back then a lot of fans were like "Nope". If Danzig had returned with them, the fans would have gone nuts.

[@agrowax]

Danzig did try to reunite the misfits around 2000. Planned a new album, tour and everything. Then, as Glenn said, "Jerry screwed everything up."

[@zdheat]

Are you ever going to do a video on the breakup of the Graves era Misfits?

[@chadp5530]

I was at that show where they broke up on stage. Epic.

[@Frumess]

I really should at some point, right? Maybe if there is enough demand.

[@Frumess]

What do you remember from your POV that night?

[@Frumess]

What do you remember from your POV that night?

[@jeffklonowski6816]

Graves solo albums are sick check out Gotham road also. People like to compare graves and danzig too much..

[@demonnationmusic]

What is the Murps first name?

[@Frumess]

Jimmy

[@bezoticallyyours83]

The Murp sounds like an insulting nickname kids would give you in like 3rd grade, but you liked it and went with it, thus pissing off the bullies.

[@DrDolan]

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[@sic6664]

Graves all the way.

[@TalkHard]

They made the right choice. Michale Graves was just a better singer / songwriter. Myke just didn't have the vocal chops. I've never heard anything too impressive by Empire Hideous...just my opinion. The "young and impressionable" aspect was definitely a contributing factor, but I think it all just comes down to the incredible talent that Michale was born with.

[@Frumess]

With the right practice/vocal lessons/refinement, Hideous would have worked well for their purposes.

[@rifsundergroundgrowmie2603]

Myke has more balls🤘🖤

[@Frumess]

I think Peter Steele would have taken them beyond what either of those other guys could. Especially if it wasn't with the Misfits name.

[@rifsundergroundgrowmie2603]

@@Frumess I totally agree with you on that bubby🤘🤤🖤

[@Frumess]

@@rifsundergroundgrowmie2603 imagine what that album would have sounded like.

[@paulosicne8498]

I preferred Myke over graves.

[@hypatiastanhope8273]

Yes Myke Hideous would have been better 💃

[@Frumess]

I want to hear what that album would have sounded like. But not as Misfits.

[@hypatiastanhope8273]

@@Frumess i agree

[@Frumess]

@@hypatiastanhope8273 🍕

[@thorterry4014]

Graves is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better.

[@Frumess]

Which is interesting, since they were settling with Graves and had pursued other vocalists - always keeping Graves as a second banana. Maybe they should have gone with Myke from the get-go?

[@Danzigscat]

Zoli from ignite would have been the right choice. Watch the set on youtube with him singing with the misfits in I think south America and imagine what would have been.

[@Frumess]

@@Danzigscat never heard the Zoli sets..

[@Frumess]

@Basement Collection's Graves was very replaceable in Jerry's eyes.

[@thorterry4014]

Michale Graves is great but TB from Blitzkid to me (in my own opinion) can sing horror punk the best out of every horror punk band I’ve come across. I grew up on Danzig. Blitzkid does it best

[@tjmccue1223]

But then again early live footage of graves and them is also kinda cringey

[@Frumess]

I can't stand his chicken wing stage presence.

[@KyOte13]

Myke Hideous would have given The Misfits the EDGE they needed at that time to be taken seriously again as a real act… instead, it became something nostalgic, more poppy & less dangerous than it was meant to be… Myke Hideous would have made it harder, darker… and better. He was already writing amazing gothic rock with his own band and had become one of the best live performers in that whole scene. Peter Steele personally asked him to come open for Type O, brought label guys to see Empire Hideous…that’s the level of talent of Myke Hideous.

[@blakemurray4097]

Honestly I think mike is a cool person but was a half ass replacement..he had no soul in his misfits songs and just sounded like a karaoke version of them

[@Frumess]

He was fine for singing the songs he wrote.

[@seanB81]

Any truth about Graves and/or Myke Hideous being picked to sing on the Son of Sam 2 record? I heard rumors about both multiple times before they went with Ian Thorne (Skye), but I can’t seem to find solid proof. Glad it wasn’t Graves, especially knowing what I know about him now. Hideous may have been cool though.

[@Frumess]

I don't know the details enough to definitively comment on them. Should have asked Steve or Myke when they were on.

[@tjmccue1223]

Video footage of hideous live with them is so cringey tho 😬😬😬

[@Frumess]

Def. needed refining.

[@dgenerated]

Best vocally would have been Zoli, hands down!.. Graves did good on the 95'era songs, but wasn't great on the Glenn era.. Idk about Hideous?.. The band would of had to have been Very different to fit Myke's style and voice.. I agree that Jerry hired Graves as he was young and impressionable and Hideous was anything but!.. Jerry may be great to his fans, but apparently he rules the band with an iron fist and I can't see Hideous bowing down to Jerry like the 20 year old Graves would!.. Idk how Zoli would of jelled, but imho Zoli had the best voice for the band aside from Glenn!..

[@Frumess]

Man, a lot of people are all about Zoli. I had no idea.

[@dgenerated]

@@Frumess I was a fan of his band "Ignite" prior to Zoli opening for the Misfits, to playing live with them.. I've seen Graves and Zoli live with the band and imho Zoli had the chops to do both the old and new songs justice. If Hideous had played the states and by states I mean the east coast I would have seen him live as well!..

[@Frumess]

@@dgenerated so many "what ifs"

[@toxicmartoc]

Would graves have still become a silly racist?

[@Frumess]

Possibly? He was a conservative Christian (like now) back then... his views about the rap industry are like 30 years old... who knows?

[@raerosee1068]

graves isn’t a racist the fuck???

[@CriticalShot1]

Im sorry but myke would have turned misfits into a gothic boring cringefest. Dont get me wrong myke can absolutely sing but his writing is corny. Misfits need that horror, tongue and cheek, punk rock n roll that Graves brought. Misfits made the right choice, however they lost any hope of coming back into big leagues when they fired graves