What If Simba Had Saved Kovu From Zira? | The Lion King Explained: Discovering Disney

[@RyanTheDark]

Really feel like Mufasa would have protected Kovu, Vitani, and probably even Nuka so Simba not doing it was actually surprising for me.

[@IsaacCarlson]

I totally agree. I think Mufasa would have absolutely protected the children of the Outsiders. He was such a good king.

[@allysanchez7275]

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[@allysanchez7275]

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[@buttermilkpancakes7721]

I agree. Had Mufasa lived longer to pass on all his wisdom to Simba , Simba most definitely would have taken in Kovu and Vitani. 😔

[@jesus7224]

@@buttermilkpancakes7721 I wish Mohatu was here

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Nuka was the most brainwashed of Zira's three children.

[@stephsoohall6841]

It didn’t help that zira never appreciated him til he died! So sad!

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Speaking of Nuka and sorry to go off topic but, i always found it weird how even though Nuka was older than Kovu he didn't have a fully developed mane, not even when Kovu was fully grown.

[@iWriteWithPride]

Also the most neglected; by Scar and by Zira.

[@iWriteWithPride]

@@TheCommenterDragon I wonder if he was malnourished. I'm thinking Zira focused the food to go to Kovu and Vitani, since Kovu was Scar's chosen.

[@clairefranzen5753]

@@TheCommenterDragon I think maybe he was portrayed that way because the outsiders didn't have a lot of food and water and I'm pretty sure that the majority of it went to Kovu because Zira and the outsiders knew he was Scar's chosen heir and wanted to have him as strong as possible in hopes that he could take back the throne. Meaning Nuka, Vitani, and the other lionesses were starved. Nuka to me looked like he was struggling throughout the movie, he didn't look like he had a lot of strength and appeared much weaker than Kovu in addition to not having a full mane. I think he was probably the most neglected out of Zira's children because his younger siblings appear to be be much stronger and the only thing Nuka really spoke about was making his mother proud and wanting to get revenge. In the end he basically sacrificed himself for his mother who never really seemed to appreciate him. The creators of the movie probably created him to look like that to reflect on how much struggle the outsiders went through. If Kovu left the outsiders earlier and all the food and riches started going to Nuka he probably would've looked a lot stronger and more similar to Kovu.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Simba would've warmed up to Kovu a lot quicker, learning that Kovu is not like Scar.

[@IsaacCarlson]

I think so too. I think Simba would have seen really quickly how much kinder Kovu really was.

[@stephsoohall6841]

He may look like scar but personality wise he’s not!

[@WhiteKoneko]

Even more so if he learns that Kovu helped his daughter against those crocs.

[@melissapas8474]

@@IsaacCarlson Hi isaaac. I just wanted to say that this is a great video. I agree I think simba taking kovu in while there would have been some complications it would have helped put an end to things a lot sooner to the point where there might not have been a war between the prides at all, maybe a fight but not an all out war.

[@lograge6554]

@@IsaacCarlson this what if is cool i miss your videos

[@meganshaw1949]

In thinking about the moment where Zira offers up Kovu, there's something else that should be pointed-out. This scene could be seen in two different ways: One way to view it is that Zira was playing head-games and was trying to see that if Simba took Kovu with him then she could've gone back to her pride saying that Simba took Kovu while not mentioning that she urged him to do it and was going to try to play innocent with her fellow lions. In telling them that Simba took Kovu, this would have only angered the outlanders even more and it would also be something to hold over Simba's head for the rest of his life. However, the second way to look at this is from Kovu's perspective. Remember that Kovu at this moment in the film is a terrified little cub and to him at this stage in his life, Simba is gigantic, powerful and fearsome. To Kovu this is Zira sticking that terrifying mental image of Simba in his mind accompanied with all of the horrible stories that she's told of him. And in addition to these facts are the facts that Simba is the King-the ruler-, that both he and his mother are in Simba's land and that the pride-landers are loyal to Simba and have the outlanders greatly out numbered and furthermore unlike Simba who had back-up with him, Zira didn't bring any support which meant that had there been a fight, she could have easily very lost. All of this is subliminally saying to Kovu that this is your opponent (your enemy) and if he wanted to, he could very easily destroy you and your mother. By doing so, this is Zira's way of controlling and manipulating her son in order to help shape him into the killer heir that she wanted. So really from both angles Zira is playing head-games with both Simba and Kovu.

[@sarahgilliss3503]

Yes, Zira is an even worse villain(ess) than Scar, AND she's a HORRIBLE parent, to boot.

[@dogsarefab]

Never even thought about this, very interesting perspectives.

[@Lechgang]

@@sarahgilliss3503 Worse as in not as good Or worse as in more evil?

[@oooh19]

Agreed. She gaslighted him

[@malayagrazes9510]

@@Lechgang I think worse as in more ev

[@stephsoohall6841]

I honestly as a kid I thought she was saying, “simba u wanna punching bag?”

[@ChimeraGuy]

Yeah I thought she was offering him as a sacrifice to be killed as the penalty

[@MaryTheresa1986]

@@ChimeraGuy So did I.

[@coralmaynard4876]

That IS what she was doing, 'however if you need your pound of flesh, here'

[@nisarojas2869]

@@ChimeraGuy same

[@KaylaJohnson1995]

That’s what she was doing after Kiara and Kovu met

[@laikeree_4213]

I believe this outcome would've also been more possible if Kiara intervened and told Simba that Kovu saved her from the crocodiles This will make a very interesting AU and storyline

[@theodoro3188]

Just remember that when Simba banished the Outsiders, including Kovu, because just from looking at young Kovu Simba saw Scar, the one lion who traumatized him for life

[@dakotahrednour5245]

You mean the one who killed his father Mufasa?

[@jesus7224]

@Kai chisaki Mohatu

[@evezoey]

@@jesus7224 mohatu isn’t important

[@jesus7224]

@@evezoey But he was the first king

[@jordanshepetofsky2677]

@Kai chisaki Yep. Scar traumatized Simba's life not just by killing his father Mufasa, but by lying to him throughout his life. Scar told Simba that the "surprise" he had for him was "to die for", which is usually understood as an expression, but Scar meant it literally. Scar also made Simba believe that it was his own fault his father was dead. Throughout his life, from cub to adult lion, Simba did not know that really Scar murdered his father, so that he (Scar) could claim the throne. Simba only found this TRUTH out towards the end of The Lion King.

[@stephsoohall6841]

That’s not a king that’s a fuzzy maraca!!!

[@stephsoohall6841]

At 12: ow ow my sides my sides fuzzy maraca!!! Timon ur killing me!

[@stephsoohall6841]

Hi issac!

[@Kingsimba-jw9fu]

Timon!

[@tayloredwards4968]

I always thought that the penalty was that Simba was supposed to kill Kovu because Simba said pound of Flesh. But Simba did not have the heart to kill a child

[@stephsoohall6841]

Or beat him for that matter as a kid I’m like,” oh come on simba… don’t!”

[@stephsoohall6841]

Or beat him to a pulp, as a 12 year old I’m like,” oh come on really Simba don’t!”

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

The exact lines are: Simba: You know the penalty for returning to the pridelands Zira: But the child does not! However, if you need a pound of flesh, here *pushes Kovu towards Simba* The way I took that was the penalty for any of the banished lionesses or the cubs was death and the cubs didn’t know that. Seeing as Kovu was the one entering the pridelands Zira offered Simba to carry out his word and kill him. But like you said he didn’t have the heart for it. Zira was getting into Simba’s head.

[@jilldurham5498]

Fun Fact: Kovu is the chosen heir of Scar, but Kovu's NOT the biological son of Scar. Nuka and Kovu both said that. Nuka said that to Vatani and Kovu said that to Kiara. So it was said twice in the Lion King 2 Simba's Pride. It's my favorite movie and the best sequel to this day Disney has ever created but Frozen 2 and the two sequels to High School Musical are a close second though high school musical 2 is the best out of the two sequels.

[@jesus7224]

I wish Mohatu was here

[@jilldurham5498]

@@jesus7224 what's that

[@jesus7224]

@@jilldurham5498 Is Simba's Great-Pop-Pop

[@KaylaJohnson1995]

OH MY GOD THANK YOU! I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL THIS TO PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD’NT LISTEN

[@jilldurham5498]

@@KaylaJohnson1995 yeah you won't believe how many people in the Disney Facebook groups I'm in state that he's still the biological son of Scar. Could he be blood related to Scar like Kiara?? Possibly because they do look a ton alike. But they're NOT father and son.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I see Scar a lot in Nuka, rather than Kovu.

[@PurpleGermanShepherd13]

When I was a little kid and watched The Lion King 2 Simba's Pride, I legit thought that Nuka was actually Scar for some reason.

[@stephsoohall6841]

He didn’t appear much in the movie

[@christianmoralesortiz4688]

Aye, although Scar is not related to either Kovu,Nuka, or Vitanni.

[@stephsoohall6841]

@@christianmoralesortiz4688 I’m confused… is it true that scar and Mufasa not related or this a rumor flying around?

[@christianmoralesortiz4688]

@@stephsoohall6841 no, mufasa and Scar(Taka) are related by blood. I'm saying is that cannonly did not have any offspring from any lioness, meaning Scar(Taka) is not related to either Kovu, Nuka, or Vitanni.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

We need a backstory on how Zira rebelled against Simba.

[@stephsoohall6841]

Yes please!!! I mean movie wise we don’t see zira in the lion king but beyond the movies zira and scar well they had history a long history and well it don’t end well for zira.

[@stephsoohall6841]

Please do!

[@totallycrazystudios1801]

There was a bit of one in The Lion Guard but it was very vague

[@MohammedMaksood123]

Well. Zira retearned from hunting.. And saw scar being eaten in fire... She thought it was Simba! Simba let her stay.. bec of her cub but then he didn't know she was plotting against him. One day she attacked him but he quickly won. And banished her to the outlands.

[@MohammedMaksood123]

Plus zira tried ambushing his son. Lion.

[@ChimeraGuy]

I’m pretty sure when Zira offered up Kovu to Simba “if you need your pound of flesh” I think she meant for him to die and Simba isn’t that cruel that’s why he didn’t take him because I don’t think that’s what Zira meant to begin with she was offering him as some sort of sacrifice

[@Mannyindahouse]

Kovu had subtly said in the film that he didn’t want any part of Scar’s affairs. I agree that Simba could’ve given him a chance earlier.

[@lilenwasnothere6867]

didn't he explicitly say that

[@sebastianfontanez1081]

"That's not a king! That's a fuzzy maraca!" Best cinematic line ever, of all time

[@mira8695]

Wait, isn't the scene about Zira offering up Kovu about her telling Simba that he can kill Kovu if he has the guts? She knew he didn't, but I think it was a fun psychological mind game for her.

[@forgottenartform]

Yea I always saw this part as her saying "you can have your pound of flesh, but you're going to take it by eating a cub" which is a bit of a mind game while also getting out of things quickly

[@pierre-samuelroux9364]

​@@forgottenartformirl a real male lion wouldn't hesitate why?To breed with zira just after

[@GachaChef-qu8hv]

@@pierre-samuelroux9364It’s a kids movie,it’s not about REAL lions.

[@pierre-samuelroux9364]

@@GachaChef-qu8hv il

[@pierre-samuelroux9364]

@@GachaChef-qu8hv ik*

[@garveyneal1672]

Kiara ad every right to tell Simba that he'll never be like Mufasa because he isn't Mufasa. He's been trying so hard to protect the pride lands like his father did he ends up becoming someone he's not. He shouldn't be like his father he should be himself.

[@jesus7224]

Rafiki talks to Mohatu

[@TheCommenterDragon]

I have often wondered what it would've been like if Simba had taken Kovu into his pride and he would've practically raised Kovu, but if that had happened then Kovu and Kiara would've become more like siblings than lovers.

[@thankunext5602]

sameee I think thats the reason simba was colder to kovu

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Don't forget: Nuka actually _is_ Scar's son.

[@jesus7224]

Yes he is

[@evezoey]

Actually we don’t know if nuka is the actual son of scar

[@jesus7224]

@@evezoey The thing that we now is that Nuka is ugly 😖

[@sagestarling3226]

@@jesus7224 exactly, and scar is ugly too, so they have to be related 😂

[@FiveFurys5]

@@sagestarling3226 I don't like Nuka's face

[@ZiraRisasi]

Simba taking kovu as a cub would have made zira attack pride rock sooner and make the Outland lioness realize that zira was a bad ruler even quicker.

[@themasteroflaughter2458]

I couldn't agree more. Then Kopa would be able to return home much more quicker.

[@stephsoohall6841]

Well it would’ve been nice to see Simba welcome Kovu into the pride lands sooner then later. He could’ve adopted him into the pride since Kovu never felt like he’s family was never a family to him.

[@themasteroflaughter2458]

Actually, the only one in Kovu's family that is family to him is his sister Vitani, because Vitani always shows affection for Kovu unlike the rest of the Outsiders. So, I bet that it would have been nice for Simba to adopt Vitani as well.

[@ShadowGaming-bk3qt]

Simba shouldn't assume nor Judge what Kovu was gonna become. every time Simba looked at Kovu, all he saw was Scar in his eyes. Simba is smarter than that. Mufasa would never treat Kovu the way Simba did. Simba should have not and learned how Kovu was forged and Mauled by Zira. seeing that Zira was the ONE turning Kovu into his enemy, Zira was Treating Kovu as if he was some trained soldier but at such a younger cub age.

[@jesus7224]

Mohatu

[@Itsabbie]

I was just listening to “ spirit “ from the live action lion king 💖💖💖💖 I thought I was havin a good day but Isaac turned it into a great day

[@randomlysammy9856]

The scene where Kiara points out to Simba that they are one and the same has such a beautiful meaning. I know we can apply that mindset to humans as well. We may be different, but we are one.

[@Slaughter-Studios]

Yes 100% agreed. This movie taught me as a young child to look at people from their hearts and not their identity, sex, ocuppation.😇

[@iWriteWithPride]

I thought about this SO many times. I think Kovu would've had a healthier childhood and he still would've ended up at Kiara's side as her mate.

[@teamsteed1]

Kovu would have turned out different if Simba protected Kovu from his mother Zira.

[@L.Tarras]

I thought first Zira offered Simba to kill Kovu in the beggining because that what's male lions does with outsider/unknown cubs

[@claratalbot7613]

As a kid I always thought Nuka was Scar's actually child but he chose Kovu & that's why Nuka is kind of bitter & jealous of him

[@oooh19]

He even states this

[@manegoldfamily4474]

Lion king 2 is on of my favorite Disney movie sequels thanks for making a theory on it

[@isaiahadams1996]

Mine too!!!!!!!

[@penguinagents2015]

I personally believe Simba would not let Zira’s kids back in because: 1) he was so paranoid about Scar somehow happening again and 2) he was trying way too hard to be exactly like Mufasa. Which by the way, he should NOT have done. He should have just been himself and done things his own way. Fanfiction writers will say it’s because Zira killed (or tried to kill) Kopa, and I think that does make a good story concept, if you accept Kopa as canon (I do).

[@redheart7795]

Mufasa would’ve taken in Kovu, many agree is all over the comments. The producer of the second movie came out and said they had no idea Kopa even existed and DOESNT honor him as Simba’s offspring. The lion guard came out agreeing.

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

@@redheart7795 the crazy thing is that he could be made canon later because of how well the most accepted story fits

[@themasteroflaughter2458]

@@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66 you got that correct. Kopa is too very valuable that he deserves to be part of Canon. Besides, I love Kopa. He’s one of my top favorite The Lion King/The Lion Guard characters. Besides, if Simba’s origin in being overprotective of Kiara is from the trauma he suffered after Mufasa’s death, then Simba facing his past and putting it behind him would have been for nothing. And besides, if Kopa were really dead, him being a Cub at the time would not exempt him from becoming a Great Lion of the Past as regardless of age, Lions become Great Lions of the Past through real death, not comas nor disappearances while their bodies become the grass overtime. And besides, in The Lion Guard the best way Simba could have found out if Kopa is still alive is that he tells Kion about Kopa and then Kion talks to Mufasa to see if it is true that Kopa completed his journey on the Circle of Life. And then Mufasa reveals that Kopa never did despite Kopa appearing dead after Zira’s attack. And then Kion would ask Mufasa where Kopa is, and Mufasa would give Kion Kopa’s location. And then Simba would be very shocked 😳 😮 😯 that Kopa never completed his journey on the Circle of Life and would be more than just excited to see Kopa again. And I even bet Kopa would be very happy to meet his little brother Kion.

[@ianlim4404]

The two main reasons why Simba banished Zira and her followers are that Zira killed Kopa, and that Simba was taught very well by Mufasa and Sarabi.

[@sumireokamura]

Mufasa's spirit didn't speak anything, but was clear that he was supportive of his grand-daughter relationship with Kovu. Even Rafiki was surprise about that.😂

[@daniellemusella1594]

1] When I was a kid and saw this movie for the first time, I assumed that Nuka was Scar's biological son, which would continue the cycle of brotherly jealousy. I also thought that Kovu and Vitani were twins, conceived after Scar saw how sickly/unworthy his own child was and advised Zira to find a different sire for her next cub. He probably killed that other lion, once the pregnancy was accomplished. Both aspects seem like the type of cold-hearted thing(s) he would've done. 2] I've always had two "what if" scenarios in my mind, related to how the story could've turned out differently: *Everything plays out the same, right up until the moment where Simba says that he'd like to talk with Kovu in private. I've imagined Kovu replying that he actually needed to talk with everyone, and he'd go on to explain his mother's plan to Kiara and her parents, as well as Zazu, Timon, and Pumbaa. Shocked by what he'd hear, along with now being fully-assured of Kovu's true character, Simba would gather his lionesses and set out to meet Zira and her pride. Completely unaware, Zira, Nuka, Vitani, and the rest would approach Simba and Kovu and taunt them as before. As they are about to pounce, the Pride Land lionesses, including Nala and Kiara, would jump out of the bushes. There would be no misguided banishment scene, and the battle would probably take place much sooner. Because of the unexpected counter-ambush, though, it would probably be broken up in two. Zira and her group would temporarily retreat. Nuka would probably still be fatally injured, but in a different way, and despite still following her mother, Vitani would now begin to realize how warped Zira's quest for vengeance truly was. After that, events would probably play out pretty close to what happened in the movie. *Kovu could've run away from the Outlands during his cub-hood, probably soon after the chaotic first meeting with Simba and the rest of his pride. I can picture the little guy, waking up in the middle of the night and looking around at the sleeping pride. He'd focus hard on his mother, and everything she'd been trying to teach him would rush through his brain. He'd think about the fun he had with Kiara, the looks of love that her parents gave her, and how he'd never felt that from Zira before. Stewing over this, he'd begin to cry, and he'd make his decision. As quiet as possible, he would sneak through the desert to the border between the Outlands and the Pride Lands. He'd believe that he stood a better chance at appealing to Simba directly and privately, knowing that the king was clearly unwilling to harm a child. He'd climb up the side of Pride Rock, and like in the original timeline in adulthood, he'd find a spot near the mouth of the main cave to sleep. Simba would, of course, find him in the morning, and after hearing his shout, Nala and Kiara would be at his side in seconds. Kiara would be happy to see Kovu again, and from there would begin the story and begging to stay. After some serious cajoling, most of it off to the side from Nala, Simba would prove Kovu's hope to be justified, and he'd take the cub in. Even within this, there are two mini-paths the story could take, and they originate from whether or not Vitani would follow her brother to the Pride Lands. She might wake up and discover him, leaving. They'd have a brief, but deep conversation, and she would decide whether to stay or go. The creative side of my brain goes fuzzy from there. (7/21/2021)

[@ianlim4404]

I can complete it for you. Vitani then knew how warped Zira's mind is - Vitani decides to join Simba and his pride. In the next morning, Vitani and the rest of the lionesses rejoined Simba and his pride, and follows Kiara to stop this quest of jealousy and lust. Driven by devotion to Scar, Zira ensues a battle with Simba. First things first, Nuka dies. Traumatized by Nuka's death, Zira couldn't let go of her devotion to Scar. Kiara tries to rescue Zira back to reconciliation, but both take a tumble to the cliff. Some water filled the dry area, with Kiara tries to rescue Zira from upcoming trouble, but Zira would rather die and falls to her death, while Kiara gets rescued back to safety. Once back at Pride Rock, Kion is born.

[@thunderzilla3521]

Simba would've died protecting him.

[@jackfrost7819]

The irony in the song “not one lf us” is the line “ someone once lied to us now we’re not so blind”. Yes Simba was blind blind by hatred h that he didnt see that Kovu tried to help him fight the outlanders and never too chances to kill him. Kovu was by the log pile and could have knocked it over so it will kill Si ba like it did Nuka but Kuvu never attacked

[@kaleahcheyanne4160]

I love how at the end of the movie that vitani sided with Simba's pride.

[@RedDragonForce2]

I actually came up with a similar idea to this, using a dream of the future to have Simba aware of what would happen to Kovu if he left with Zira. Having dreamed of the future and determined to change it, Simba takes in Kovu to be Kiara's friend from the beginning. To be fair, this was before I was even aware of the Lion Guard so I had no way of having Kion or anyone else in that show being relevant. I never got around to posting it, but the idea was in my head long enough to write it down... to an extent.

[@stephsoohall6841]

I like this idea!!! Anyone else in?

[@kierstencobb5517]

@@stephsoohall6841 Me!

[@OzzyDrixClay]

Wonder about Nessy a monster from the future. Or a survivor of the best . The dinosaurs didn't extinct till millions of years later . But in the future they say Nessy was banished maybe both . Maybe interbred with real pleasiosaurs sittings of Nessy go back to 15th century & of course in Scotland see connections . Maybe she had a long life span or maybe same reason Mike &the multi eyed kid from collage look exactly like their mothers and no father . Matching automatic parthenogenosis . So maybe she could started a population the same way kamo dragons would . Maybe those see monsters started with single monster banished from the future who either interbred with humans why they have a human side . But watching on its own. I would have guessed the sea monsters were humans with ability to turn into sea monsters . And that would create more Incredible connections . Maybe some Aqua man like powers. But ability to talk to fish would make it to much little mermaid and point of Finding Nemo was to call a big BS on sabashin's under the sea happy life song . I can sea by interactions the sea monsters can talk to fish just fish can't talk back . Back to main rant . Maybe to possible connections aren"t so incomparable what if the superhumans in general all of them are monster human hybrids . Maybe the monster jackjack turns into is what his grand father looked like no . Would you or should I say they want to have 😘 with something piosioness to you . Back to the drawing board with ness in 15 century Scotland maybe the reason boo was in that time&place . In a short offering spells she mentioned abliry to breathe under water .in early days of Pixar theory I instantly thought people did take breathe under water became the fish in finding Nemo . And later people got tired of those. Games demanded to be straight with just the powers . Mr Incredible has stragnthe of more then 10 men in form of a human . Maybe so who wish breath under water just became more aquatic when under water and human again when dry . .those animal powers Super powers and monster power all look so similar Hank Violet &Randell . . But ironic how fusterating this is . The very Trailer connecting this all . Is called Turning red .

[@nightslayer6951]

Simba acted more like Scar than he realized, Mufasa would've been more understanding

[@isaiahadams1996]

Hey, Issac, I have a suggestion, do one on Brother Bear, do “What if Koda was able to tell Kenai about his mother’s disappearance sooner”

[@cassyluvsanchez4005]

Please do a video about Princess Ariel's grandmother

[@thestudios9226]

In the video, he should include her role in the original tale, where she tells the Mermaid about what happens to humans and mermaids when they die.

[@jesus7224]

Is Anfitrite

[@cheyblake2475]

2:16-2:20, I thought she was giving Kovu to Simba to kill him or something.

[@stephsoohall6841]

I say as before,” Simba no!”

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

She was. But it was still an opportunity for Simba to take him in.

[@jasmidnurmi9857]

I love the idea that Scar was a good father to Nuka, despite everything, and that being part of the reason why Nuka was so loyal. Nuka was oldest of the cubs so he could have had some memories of him. I know there's nothing to back that notion up, but I like it because it gives Scar more layers than him being awful to everyone. Perhaps Nuka was born physically weak and that's why Scar chose Kovu over him.

[@bunny60lazy]

I dont think Zira was offering for Simba to take Kovu in, she was telling Simba to kill Kovu since that's the penalty but Zira knew he wouldn't kill a child.

[@Igorcastrochucre]

When you think about it, Kovu is the closest we're probably going to get to Kopa in the Lion King animated universe.

[@themasteroflaughter2458]

Bingo. Because I bet that Kovu would be able to help find Kopa which could later help Kopa to reunite with Vitani much quicker, and Vitani would thank Kovu for finding Kopa.

[@bigfootsb284]

You know what is interesting the first song after the opening is We are one then followed by Not one of us! The world feels like a lion king 2 movie. 😂 Disney was warning us about the instability in our world

[@tesslichtman7302]

Very interesting theory. I definitely think that banishing the Outsiders was not helpful to the circle of life and I always felt uncomfortable that Simba banished Kovu, Vitani, Nuka and Vitani’s Lion Guard (who seem to be around Kovu and Vitani’s age) when they were all just Cubs.

[@williamoconnell1233]

First movie Hamlet, second movie Romeo, and Juliet. I applaud the movie creators to easily explain Shakespeare's classic plays to little kids.

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

Don’t Romeo and Juliet both commit suicide?

[@williamoconnell1233]

Iamnothuman 77 they did, but there audience are little kids therefore they made it kid friendly.

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

@@williamoconnell1233 what was the basic plot of that play? because all I know is they both died and that Juliet was like 13

[@FiveFurys5]

@@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66 And the third one Moi and Phoi are dead

[@williamoconnell1233]

Iamnothuman 77 forbidden love. Simba forbidden his daughter to love kouvu just because where he was born, and who raised him, but he didn't see who he really is when he's with his daughter.

[@madnessarcade7447]

3:10 he was trying to protect kiara he was very overprotective The people who say simba was out of character in the lion guard clearly have never seen TLK2

[@clairefranzen5753]

I think maybe he became overprotective of his daughter partially because Scar blamed Simba for Mufasa's death. Though Simba defeated his uncle I think some of the guilt and overall fear Scar left on him hadn't fully gone away yet. When we first meet Kiara she looks like she's a similar age as Simba was when his father died. Even though he's over protective I think it comes from him wanting to protect his daughter even more so since he couldn't save his father.

[@madnessarcade7447]

@@clairefranzen5753 agreed

[@jesus7224]

@@madnessarcade7447 I wish Mohatu meeted Kovu

[@cassyluvsanchez4005]

Please make a video about the King Triton family tree

[@IsaacCarlson]

OH I LOVE THAT IDEA! Ariel's Family Tree would be incredible.

[@cassyluvsanchez4005]

@@IsaacCarlson thank you very much

[@jesus7224]

@@cassyluvsanchez4005 I will tell it : Chaos + Nobody = Erevo Erevo + Nixs = Eter Eter + Hemera = Uranus Uranus + Gea = Cronos Cronos + Rea = Poseidon Poseidon + Anfitrite = Triton Triton + Atenea = Ariel Ariel + Eric = Melody

[@joshualowe959]

If Simba protected and raised Kovu from his abusive mother Zira, Kovu would still want to unite the two prides together because Zira was still Kovu's mother

[@random_aah]

that one dislike is probably zira

[@douglasthescottishtwin3989]

The other from Nuka

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I wonder, would Kovu still have a mullet if he went with Simba?

[@stephsoohall6841]

I think that certain things in a time line no matter u rewrite history or change things certain things never will change.

[@autumntaco8722]

I always thought when Zira said "if you need your pound of flesh, here" she meant that whatever penalty that met an outsider stepping foot on the pridelands should be put on Kovu, since she was only coming in to retrieve him. I always thought that was why Simba turned away in disgust, that a mother would offer her son up to violence so quickly. But that was just my interpretation.

[@doofusdrakeducktales337]

Go watch 6 new videos i upload

[@cheyblake2475]

Just because someone looks like someone who's bad, doesn't mean they will be bad, even if they are related to a bad person, like a family tree.

[@amandagerow4690]

True. just Because evil runs through you're veins it doesn't mean you bad at heart.

[@tarathompson9506]

That confrontation with Zira and Simba is incredibly frightening! that looks like Simba screaming at her for sending kovu near kiara! and Kovu was no longer compared to Scar. Because he's got divorced from Zira and her minions as Scar's tyrany!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

What if Simba saved Kopa?

[@themasteroflaughter2458]

I want to see that too. I've been thinking the exact same thing.

[@shannonhutton3381]

I Don't think kovu was even zira's cub because in kovu's story, his mother gets killed by zira. Zira gave birth to nuka, then vitani with another male lion, but scar thought nuka was weak and vitani was female so zira went to find a male cub, killed the mother and then zira takes him to scar so that scar had a new heir.

[@christiantwist3360]

In retrospect, Simba, for awhile was kind of a closed-minded leader. He could of easily took all the cubs away from them, or better yet, only banish Zerah instead of the other lions who didn't do anything in the first place.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

What if Kopa was in Lion King 2?

[@IsaacCarlson]

It would be pretty sweet. I wish we could get all the kids together.

[@stephsoohall6841]

Yes 👍

[@stephsoohall6841]

Not sure about kiara I still see her as a queen!

[@nathenewendzel884]

Is it possible that Kopa passed away before Kiara was born?

[@jesus7224]

@@nathenewendzel884 and Chaka too

[@devinsantiago5357]

what if zerg and buzz with utility belt help woody save jessie in Toy story 2

[@Maria_Miciano_5]

Kiara has a big heart ❤️!

[@awolfnamedneedle237]

Fun fact: Nuka is the only cub zira has that is Not Adopted

[@leeonalequina7089]

If Simba had taught Kovu about the awful things Scar did while he was an innocent cub, a lot of issues would have been avoided.

[@jesus7224]

Moto is Kovu's paternal grandfather

[@sarahtyler5635]

I think the movie did a great job of showcasing Simba's struggle to live up to his father as well as showing Simba's PTSD from the tragedies that Scar caused in his life. From a viewers point, it would have made sense to take in Kovu because we know that he isn't like Scar, but can you really blame Simba for not trusting the heir of his worst enemy? I blame Rafiki for not telling Simba about Mufasa's message to him, I think if Simba had been given the proper counsel he could have found a way to bring peace among the prides before a war broke out. Simba spent the majority of his life as an outcast, he didn't know how to rule, and being better than Scar does not mean you are a good ruler. The movie is so under rated because it just does such a great job of showing Simba's internal conflict as a B plot, and teh A plot showing us that Kovu isn't such a bad guy, it made the movie feel very real.

[@ryleegamerz8886]

I got on as soon as it got posted but I didn’t click this video

[@chasecreamer727]

Curious to think why Scar didn’t recruit Zira in The Lion Guard. Yes Kovu, Vitani, Nuka and the outsiders were in the show, but only for one episode.

[@thestudios9226]

Well, Zara and her pride were disliked even by the hyenas, like Janja and his clan.

[@someteennamedcharles2035]

My headcanon is that Scar didn't know there were lions still loyal to him, and that the Outsiders lived far away from the Outlands. And I think she knew it was futile to attack while the Lion Guard is still there, so she waited until they left for the Tree of Life.

[@lexi8893]

I think if Mufasa was alive, he would’ve taught Simba that helping hopeless little cubs that were forced to do evil, would’ve been better... Zara clearly never cared about Kovu. She only wanted power over simba who never killed scar...only knocking h8m off. I think simba would’ve let scar go, would’ve let scar stay as his own 7ncle...maybe if Mufasa never died, Mufasa would’ve helped simba at the old age of how to be a more wise king, to be a more wise father than he was. Simba lost his father, ran away and came back as a young adult. Poor simba, I agree simba didn’t realize only because of scar...

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

If Kovu was Scar's son, he and Kiara would've been labeled incest.

[@Fireberries]

Simba and Nala were already incest. Mufasa and Scar were the only male lions in the pride - aside from Simba.

[@rowenaquebral5567]

@@Fireberries Its so weird

[@pinkiepochita]

@@Fireberries but it’s confirmed that Nalas father was a rouge lion

[@jesus7224]

@@pinkiepochita Is The Strange Lion Maybe

[@pinkiepochita]

@@jesus7224 Could be, but I don’t really think that

[@tayloredwards4968]

Please do one video on it was Mufasa that created the great drought out there he died.

[@OmegaSpider6199]

Do Simba's trama next please

[@IsaacCarlson]

I really want to do that at some point. I have so many thoughts!

[@clairefranzen5753]

I think that was one issue in this movie that could explain a lot of the events that occurred.

[@OmegaSpider6199]

@@clairefranzen5753 yeah because Simba was a bit of a mess in lion king 2 he wasn't really done with the hatred he had for scar

[@clairefranzen5753]

@@OmegaSpider6199 it's been awhile since I saw the movie but I can remember that pretty clearly. I mean Scar blamed him for his father's death and pushed him to run away when he was around the same age Kiara is when we first meet her. That easily explains why he's overprotective of her, why he has trouble trusting Kovu, and why he's so hesitant to let the outsiders he banned come back, etc. While he could be right that the outsiders may have needed some kind of a punishment it's clear he may not have fully thought it through.

[@jesus7224]

@@clairefranzen5753 Kovu's Paternal Grandfather is Moto

[@kylgrv]

That's an interesting theory. It really fuels the imagination on what could've happened if this occurred in the movie.

[@doofusdrakeducktales337]

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[@marisolarreola6075]

Hey Isaac can you breakdown the trailer of the upcoming Pixar movie turning red, please

[@cristyflaherty4902]

Because you did a video on the relationships of Daisy and Donald and Scrooge and Goldie, can you please do a video explaining Gandra and Fenton's relationship?

[@TheEsauman]

I second the motion!

[@HuskyQueenWarrior]

Something you said here gives me an idea for a future video: what if Zira had trained Nuka instead of Kovu to take down Simba?

[@madnessarcade7447]

Also it would impact the lion guard which you left out

[@thestudios9226]

Kovu could’ve been part of Kion’s Lion Guard. What role do you think he would’ve had?

[@madnessarcade7447]

@@thestudios9226 possibly

[@bigfootsb284]

The real message of Lion King 2 is not to judge by appearence but to judge by their actions. Simba realized he was wrong about Kovu so he realized that not all lions are bad because of who they are on the outside but Simba didn't learn that until Kiara and Kovu stopped the fighting between the pridelands and the outlanders.

[@cassyluvsanchez4005]

Oh and one more thing your videos are interesting and awesome I hope we continue to be in a Disney series someday or work on it Disney series Disney

[@carolinedisalvatore9768]

I mean seriously Zira, Kovu and the other outlanders have NO reason to exist when you consider the context of the original movie

[@clairefranzen5753]

I think it makes some sense because even though the first movie was focused on Simba, how he ran away after Scar blamed him for his father's death, and eventually returned to take down his uncle. We do see that not all of the lionesses are happy about Scar taking over and refuse to see him as a king or leader. He was however part of the pride for a very long time even before taking over as a leader so it's possible that throughout his life some lionesses like Zira could've gotten to know him and chose to stay loyal to him. It would make more sense if we had a movie showing what happened before the Lion King took place. Scar wasn't a good leader and plotted his plan with Hyenas for a long time but just like some lionesses refused to see him as a king others could've seen it differently because we don't know the full picture of what happened under Scars rule after Simba ran away and before he returned.

[@TonyStank_edits]

Can you make a video about the back story of the strange lion of the lion guard and why does he look so much like Zira

[@krazkaykay2002]

I just love when he talks about the old Disney movies

[@WadeAnimations522]

I like the detail that the evil characters dont have glint in theirs eyes while the good ones do

[@ZorLink21]

In other words, if he did that the film wouldn’t be _Romeo and Juliet_ themed

[@the-nina-beans88]

Instead of be game break themed

[@brazilduncan2926]

i been waiting for his video for a long time thank you isaac

[@a.t.m873]

good job. I like hearing your what if scenarios 👍

[@nielsbakker3929]

maybe a theory about kovu’s real parents

[@thestudios9226]

And also about Kovu’s real name. I think that his parents originally named him Liso, but Zira killed them and renamed Liso Kovu, since Kovu is Swahili for Scar.

[@jesus7224]

@@thestudios9226 Kovu's Grandfather is Moto

[@lunaponce4068]

I always wanted a story like this, glad you did this story ☺️

[@davidrodriguez7806]

I hope you do more "What If" scenarios with other Disney stories! So far this video is my favorite!

[@rikuwisteria583]

Well, that is an interesting perspective. And I think you do make some good points. I suppose I have another question. What if it had been Vitani and not Kovu who Kiara first met? How could things have differed in the story if Kiara had never met Kovu but his sister in their childhood?

[@jesus7224]

Mohatu

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

That wouldn’t be very interesting imo. They’d have to give Vitani an entirely different personality. In TLK2 she’s portrayed as a lioness trained to be a weapon instead of having her own beliefs. So if Vitani with her personality in the movie met Kiara she probably would’ve attacked her because she was a pridelander in the outlands.

[@madnessarcade7447]

How would it affect the lion guard

[@thestudios9226]

Kovu could’ve been part of Kion’s Lion Guard. What role do you think he would’ve had?

[@iamnothuman77dartdontlie66]

@@thestudios9226 bravest probably

[@Luminous_Star_21]

This was a interesting take. I never thought about how things could have different if Simba had taken in Kovu. It’s quite interesting to think about.

[@jesus7224]

What if Kopa and Chaka never got scrapped?

[@Sondoku12]

I really like this Isaac this is how the The Lion King 2 should have went if Simba saw the kindness in Kovu and saved him from Zira things will be different

[@Tailzkip]

Maybe if Kovo had stood up on Pride Rock and sung about standing out above the crowd, things would have been different. Simba would have recognized him then.

[@stephsoohall6841]

I’d love to hear that on Broadway!

[@RedGuardianRG92]

A lot to take in, but I like to think that this video sure elaborated what would have happened if Simba took Kovu in such as the pointers with the healing beginning at a much earlier time, and the the wide possibilities to open up. Plus with Simba healing and looking past the pain and fear would have allowed him to grow into a much wiser king with a balanced conscious. Much like his father would have wanted.

[@caseydreamuslpsandmore2582]

I think the pride lands will be healed early on,when Kion is still a cub. What the point of one sesaon one episode called the lioness of the outlands. All the lioness together again. In the episode I can't wait to be queen Kovu will be there too.

[@caseydreamuslpsandmore2582]

Like Vitani joining the Battle of Pridelands and being there for Kion after he got his scar.

[@ZelinkSupporter]

I think that, if Simba had been able to look past his fears of Scar and his followers, he might have seen some of himself in Kovu back when they first met. Because seeing Kovu shivering with fear would have reminded him of when his father died and *he* was a scared little cub with little to no direction

[@michaelsanchez440]

I think about Easter eggs for Monsters at Work episode 2 and 3.

[@CrazyCartoonCat12]

Not sure how you managed it, but you made the movie better than it already was.

[@charleyedwards2121]

this was a wonderful essay, exactly the kind of thing i subscribed here for years ago

[@slayermoon666]

Nature over nurture

[@arissimion67]

I respect Kovu. His a good line. Really fun video.