What if the Cold War was a Normal War?

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[@WhatifAltHist]

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[@lightningbolt4419]

No

[@garbagecan7847]

ok

[@theweirdo7571]

Played it already, it's just decent.

[@SolutionOrientedMan]

What do you research for these videeos

[@GavFav]

You know, your getting bashed but I’m just glad your being sponsored since you make good content.

[@sandrotabidze]

What if Crazy Frog was just a Normal Frog?

[@miko5742]

Nuclear war

[@hawkevick9184]

What if all frogs were crazy frog?

[@thefrenchareharlequins2743]

@@hawkevick9184 they would be riding invisible motorcycles imitating a two stage engine

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

@@hawkevick9184 Humanity and all other live on Earth (exept crazy frogs) would die out within days from accute brain melting.

[@santacatarinaball7091]

World peace

[@LeviathanSpeaks1469]

Patrick Star: “AND THEN EVERYONE DIED…”

[@thecringeeascreator977]

That didn’t help at all...

[@kevin8712]

How long? How long have I been ugly, Patrick?

[@generalanimator1351]

Probably

[@mint8648]

watch the whole video

[@a_sonic_enjoyer_]

The end

[@willdbeast1523]

wtf, are we in the alternate timeline where whatifalthist kept making alternate history videos :o

[@forgetful9845]

I DON'T WANNA LEAVE

[@anotherone3340]

What if whatifalthist made videos about non-alternate history?

[@ortherner]

@@anotherone3340 No, alt-history is best

[@FelipeJaquez]

The dimensional merge is real?

[@cs40660]

good sponsorship video, easy for whatifalthist to make, get that bag son

[@Muslim-og3vc]

i feel bad for the radiators that died in the cold war

[@rockomax2732]

Bruh

[@bartho4483]

me too, I lost mine in the earliest battles of the war 😔

[@slamwall9057]

I misread radiators as redditors

[@Zarafin]

@@slamwall9057 Lmao

[@OnxGrid]

@@slamwall9057 Lol

[@dotterdam6047]

1:12 Whatifalthist's dad: i am grateful that i did not have to fight the soviets in a war and instead i got to have a family Whatifalthist:BuT whAT If YOu dID???

[@EdanLeahy]

It's like your grandfather discussing PTSD in Vietnam and you give him your headphones while playing cod

[@misterbean4059]

I love your political analysis videos, but damn did I miss your “What If” scenarios!

[@sonofgreatsteppes9497]

Same! Though I really like the analysis videos. I want both made simultaneously (((

[@stormstaunch6692]

A healthy mix of both is for sure the best

[@johnpaulcross424]

@@stormstaunch6692 amen

[@ortherner]

I ranted the alt-history, and he delivered!

[@ademdogukankon4726]

@@stormstaunch6692 probably it will become something like a political commentary channel in a yeard or so.

[@Civilized-Joke]

*MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION* _is a hell of a drug..._

[@highgrounder]

Your pfp works amazingly with this comment lol

[@tanapatyangkaew4649]

Are you M.A.D

[@gpl992]

And Album

[@PhillyPhanVinny]

During the Korean War the USSR still didn't actually yet have a bomber force built that could even drop atomic bombs despite what was said in this video. They were in the process of building their first bomber that could carry the early Soviet nukes but they didn't build the first non-prototype bomber until 1952. And even then it would have been very unlikely for a Soviet bomber to be able to get to the US and drop a nuke. The US and allied nations radar was very advanced for the time and would have easily have picked up those massive bombers. If the USSR tried to send those bombers out to bomb the US the would have been hit by at a minimum of 3 waves of interceptors on their path to the US. It would have been much more likely and the much smarter decision to use those bombers against Europe than risk the small amount of bombers they had and the small amount of nukes they had trying to send them over to the US.

[@jondaniels4325]

Agreed, I don't imagine the USAF and USN aircraft being absent from the American skies in time of war to intercept aircraft

[@76456]

At the time most common Soviet Air crafts were ground attack fighters, and variants which could be Jet or regular engine. BUT there were also Frontline bombers available and tgose could do the job of Bombing.

[@PhillyPhanVinny]

@@76456 We are talking about atomic bombing not regular bombing. The USSR was not able by their own admission to drop atomic bombs until they built the T-95 which was a upscaled copy off of the US B-29 Stratofortress. That is the part people never think about when thinking about the Manhattan project in WW2. The Manhattan project was the 2nd most expensive US weapons project of WW2. The most expensive project of WW2 was the creation and building of the B-29 Stratofortress. Without the bomber to go with the bomb all you have is a atomic landmine which was how the USSR actually planned to use their first few atomic devices they created (they were not bombs, they were atomic devices as they could not be dropped nor were they planned to be dropped by any planes).

[@historyfan6684]

@@PhillyPhanVinny Yeah the USSR wasn't really a serious threat with nukes until quite late. Had the cold war gone hot immediately the USSR would have quite rapidly ceased to exist. There were already plans on the books to use atomic carpet bombing of soviet troop positions and you should look at some of the pentagon contingency plans. Curtis LeMay may have been an asshole but the man knew how to bomb an enemy.

[@foolsgold9993]

@@historyfan6684 They might have had incredible losses, but everybody seems to underestimate their fighter force. And the USSR was a huge country with enormous manpower. IMHO the American bombers couldn't reach all of their targets especially, because their missions included several successive nuke drops.

[@ComicalRealm]

WW1: Season 1 WW2: Season 2 Cold war: DLC

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodcl4824]

Sussy

[@lerneanlion]

Why don't make it season 3 or special movie?

[@thepenguin..]

@@comradeking4427 and then ww3 is the upcoming season 6

[@phoenixwright5743]

@@thepenguin.. It’s not season 6, it’s an ambitious reboot.

[@monkeydetonation]

Finish the trilogy, the cold war didn't live up to it's hype.

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

Europe : we never seem to get a break on the depression scale don't we?

[@sebastianlodge7549]

The whole world gets its shit. Like Africa and Asia in conflicts and poverty now. It just we like to focus on Europe because it’s interesting to us.

[@yonathanrakau1783]

@@sebastianlodge7549 yeah lol, but at least not a stupid big traumatizing war

[@sebastianlodge7549]

@@yonathanrakau1783 I mean, yeh. Some areas you could compare. China for instance didn’t have a great 20th century with warlords the Japanese now communism. But I guess the developing countries didn’t have the ability to wage such massive wars.

[@harshjain3122]

@@sebastianlodge7549 china is having a good century now and see them becoming democratic and then 5-6% growth and it's all well and good for them in the coming years.

[@debotoxgod6878]

@@harshjain3122 until their shitty “president” ruins the country once and for all

[@maskedminister9624]

Lest go bro love your work this made my day as a early birthday present

[@mushvigabbasov3951]

Alternate WW3 in HOI4 style: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXq5dpmlm5iZeLM

[@adamdewitt6430]

Happy birthday to the both of you!

[@maskedminister9624]

@@adamdewitt6430 thanks

[@choonbox]

Bon anniversaire!

[@neek5241]

Happy birthday!

[@thykota]

8:56 the absolute lack of a transition had me laughing on the floor

[@ikengaspirit3063]

What if Tang continued their expansion into Central Asia after the Battle of Talas (None of the rebellions that followed after that crippled the dynasty)[Also the Sassanid dynasty had gone to Tang China and its prince was there at the frontlines of the Battles against the Caliphate, I imagine that if the Tang are relatively triumphant he would be made a vassal King or commandary on a Tang Iranian protectorate]. What if Viking expansion took them all the way to West Africa, establishing trade routes btw West Africa and Europe through the Atlantic by 1000 AD. What if Portugal and Ethiopia allied to destroy Mecca. What if the Ottomans conquered Rome.

[@kyrozephyr8628]

Portugal and Ethiopia destroying Mecca wouldn't be as significant as you would think. Mecca has been destroyed several times before by different foreign and domestic rulers. If Portugal and Ethiopia would destroy Mecca, Ethiopia would probably cease to exist as every city would probably be razed and the inhabitants killed or already escaped. I could see a massive irredentist Jihad happening and the Muslim world uniting to retake North Africa from imperialist and colonial powers. There would definitely be attempts to cross the strait of Gibraltar. I'm unsure if they would succeed but if the Ottomans joined in the war they could succeed. If the Ottomans stayed neutral I doubt the Arabs would be able to reach Portugal. They would probably resort to keeping North Africa and using it as a forwarding base for smaller raids on Portugal in a guerilla style campaign. If England joined in the war then the raids would probably cease and there would be a status quo.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@kyrozephyr8628 well Mecca has only been raided by Muslims before, never by Christians and so stuff like the Black stone will be in danger of destruction. Looking at past Jihads and Crusades, being mad isn't making anyone super human. The Crusades failed to destroy any significant Muslim power and the Jihads couldn't take Constantinople at its height and couldn't stop Byzantine reassendance. It took only like 300 Portuguese soldiers to blunt the Adal Jihad to conquer it and there are no other Muslim powers with a direct border to Ethiopia. So what we are looking at is an Adal lead Jihad with Ottoman and Somali Ghazis vs a modernizing Ethiopian Army(the only way they could have gotten to Arabia) with Portuguese and others European help. So all in all, everything is still in favour of the Muslims, so they could still win, depends on how distracted the Ottomans are in the Mediterranean fighting Portugal and its allies. Also at this time the Europeans only held fortified towns/cities in North Africa which are defensible from land and only really has the Ottoman Empire's Navy to fear.

[@shastealyomeal]

@@ikengaspirit3063 what

[@gotcha4649]

FINALLY AN ALTERNATE HISTORY AFTER SO LONG

[@ryanb1388]

Literally! The commentary videos are fine but I’m really here for the alternate history

[@imperators_8700]

@@ryanb1388 same

[@bannermanigans]

I like the geopolitics videos better thqh

[@IgorMgtowandVideoGames]

@@bannermanigans go watch geopolitics then I am interested in alternate history

[@bannermanigans]

@@IgorMgtowandVideoGames Go watch alternate history, I like geopolitics. Or maybe we could compromise and let the creator do as he pleases.

[@lerneanlion]

In other words, the fall of the Soviet Union is inevitable, regardless that the Cold War is a proxy war or a normal war.

[@amrahmed7856]

It wasn't designed to last

[@solvency2690]

i would say that a timeline where the Soviet Union has any chance of success would have to involve Stalin not coming to power. I'd imagine it evolves differently with Lenin or Trotsky at the helm. Not a defense of what that would look like. I just think it would have been more successful in its goals.

[@propillertip]

@@solvency2690 Trotsky was advocate of permanent revolition. He wanted very badly the red army to flood the wirld and install commi regimes. Thus is one if the reasons he was disliked by Stalin.

[@foolsgold9993]

Well, look at North-Korea and Cuba, they also seemed to fall so many times and still there they are. It needed a certain mixture of historical, economical, sociological and even technological trends to have this result.

[@innosam123]

@@solvency2690 The Soviets could have lasted into the 21st century without Gorbechev. They just would have become increasingly poor and irrelevant as the stresses of their poor domestic situation, Afghanistan, and SDI played their toll. I would imagine the bloc would start collapsing right around now, considering the increasing irrelevance of their only real export/source of hard currency, Oil/Gas. Economic Reform is difficult (the USSR was stuck at the Middle Income Trap).

[@adamk1711]

I wonder how decolonization would go along in this timeline, the desensitization of nuclear weapons would make a terrifying Algerian War or maybe European nations would cling onto colonies after an alternate Suez Crisis in an effort to create some semblance of a time before the horrors of the 20th century.

[@buffgarfield3231]

Europeans would migrate to their colonies.

[@kubakornijenko1927]

Finally! A Althist from Whatifalthist!

[@brytonite1694]

My Brain: "No, don't say it. It's obvious. But, don't say it" Me: it would be a *H O T* war

[@mushvigabbasov3951]

Alternate WW3 in HOI4 style: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXq5dpmlm5iZeLM

[@jeaniusedits6094]

Yes everyone go watch the first comments video

[@Arhats_Corner]

Yes.

[@senseiswag452]

Short answer: the war would be around 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit

[@joshuadevenport7100]

Warm War

[@matthew8153]

And because we never fought the war it’s now 451 Fahrenheit.

[@Emperoroleary]

braindead americans still using their outdated system of measurements

[@iammrbeat]

You should have joined us for #projectMAD. What a weird coincidence you released this today!

[@iammrbeat]

@Miguel Conceição Thanks Miguel!

[@gasmaskboi6904]

Oh hey its the teacher who told me how Kansas and Nebraska are different. (Spoiler there is a lot of wheat and corn)

[@kaiserteddie9564]

Oh wow hey there

[@js_munchies]

You should do Czechia and Slovakia compared if you haven't already!

[@scottanno8861]

Whatifalthist is too based to join the likes of you

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

6:10 They did have something similar called deep battle tactics which is like blitzkrieg but with more schwerepunkts (point of concentration )

[@iddomargalit-friedman3897]

Other differences - it focuses on operational disruption instead of encirclements, the initial breakthroughs are achieved by infantry, and it assumes a big advantage in man and material.

[@theoriginaldemiurge]

Glad to see the consistent uploads again.

[@alexchopov]

"Soviets didnt do Blitzkrieg" - the million man Kwantung Army that was defeated in a few weeks in a theater larger than all of Europe would beg to differ

[@jakemillward2628]

That and Operation Bagration.

[@MaloGuillaumeLeCoat]

You got the point

[@gary4936]

The Kwantung Army was a glorified shell of it's former self by 1945. It had 700,000 personnel consisting of mostly new divisions that had received no training as most of its veteran units were siphoned off to other fronts. There were 300,000 in Korea, although they had not be properly deployed. They had around 250,000 local auxiliaries, who we can consider hardly reliable. The Japanese were confined to 37mm guns in their anti-tank brigades (not effective against USSR tanks), and were so lacking in equipment like MGs and anti-material rifles one could hardly consider them more than glorified light infantry. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria was nothing more than another grim reminder of Japanese military ineptitude by 1945.

[@foolsgold9993]

@@gary4936 It doesn't change the fact the Japanese were surprised by the Soviet strategy. After fighting them back at Khalkhin-Gol they expected slowly moving infantry columns and frontal man-wave attacks. Instead they got quick tank groups and mechanized infantry pushing far into their rear, cutting trough their supply lines and leaving them behind. Classic Blitz-Krieg. The Soviets had to stop only twice during the whole war because they run out of fuel.

[@hkl2007]

@@foolsgold9993 Blitzkrieg is not a military concept invented by Germany during WW2, it's just modern technology (successfully) combined with european maneuver warfare. Blitzkrieg is just a medially invented name for what people had been doing in war forever.

[@fadlurohman8194]

he finally did alt history .Praise to the God !

[@ivangrozny496]

Huzzah

[@bangscutter]

This "what if" scenario is basically my childhood playing the RTS Red Alert games!

[@RedSoxFanatic4Life]

In hindsight, the world ending 30+ years ago would not have been the darkest timeline.

[@SAarumDoK]

Are you sure about that ?

[@thepenguin..]

I’m just glad your doing alt history again instead of explaining why everyone is depressed

[@thomasmitchell4128]

oooofffff

[@aeternavictrix7861]

I agree but people should care more about it. Ignoring it will just make us collapse. People should get out of their own little useless worlds and see what’s happening.

[@noahnoah2747]

You have an incredibly short attention span. I'm feeling less and less hopeful today..

[@edmundwoolliams1240]

I like the explaining depressed videos

[@adriankiero5323]

This videos seems hastily done for the sake of having an ad which takes a third of the whole videos length... There is no consideration about Soviet sateliite states in Eastern Europe - they would most likely be disloyal and could cause troubles/delay with Soviet attack or they could simply rebel and defect to the enemy: 1) Ukraine - would be tired of Stalins rule and most of its population would remember "Holodomor" in the 20s caused by communists, 2) Poland - just hated communists, warred with Russia in 1919-21 and 1939 and felt betrayed after WWII when allies "sold them" to Soviets. Definately would defect to allies when given a chance. 3) Czechoslovakia, Hungary - started with protests or rebellions against communist rule and given a strong support fot their cause would probably defect to Allies. 4) Romania, Bulgaria - honestly don't know their situation after the war good enough to tell which way they would go but I assume that at least at the beginning they would follow Russians by fear of them. 5) Eastern Germany - between 1949 and 1961 (erection of the wall) 3mln people run away through East Berlin/Germany to West Berlin/Germany. Again Eastern Germans would be very dodgy ally for Soviets and would seek an opportunity to join thei Western part. I like the fact you included unrest in colonial nations though.

[@joycechuah6398]

I’ve waited a long long time for this one, cheers 🍻 ⚡️🥷🥳🎉🎊🎈🍾👯‍♀️

[@napoleoniv2646]

So scary to think how close this was to happening.

[@stormblader4319]

2 videos in the same week? We are getting spoiled

[@MadMacGeopolitics]

Fantastic video as always

[@matthew8153]

And I think to myself: what a wonderful world.

[@carloabique3645]

I was starting to wonder when will you go back to making alternate history vids. I’m glad to see you making them again.

[@Tindog42656]

Finally some Alternate History

[@L0stEngineer]

I just got assigned the book "Red Storm Rising" to read as a work assignment. Old Clancy and modern Whatifalthist just jive so well.

[@foolsgold9993]

Lord help me! "Red Storm Rising" as an assignment?! One of the most unlikely scenarios of the Hot War, imho. Any World War without the early use of weapons of mass destruction is just pure phantasy.

[@L0stEngineer]

@@foolsgold9993 I don't know about that. In the 1940's. All side had everything from the CBRNE arsenal except the RN and refrained from using it, except when they knew the other side couldn't retaliate.

[@foolsgold9993]

@@L0stEngineer Hitler got temporally blind from a gas attack so he was rather vary to use it. Their delivery without aerosols wasn't very effective either. The Soviets were not so shy, they used "poison gas" during the Tambov Rebellion. The use of biological weapons are problematic even today. i.e. how to stop them to spread over to our own troops. They might be effective only against civilian poplation if the infested territory isn't occupied later. Japanese used smallpox in Mongolia and plague in China with disappointing results. They planed several attacks during the Pacific War that were stopped in early stages by the Americans mostly by luck High Yield Explosives were and are used almost without hesitation. The Soviets knew their economy can't support even a moderately long war. They HAD TO win in a few months or they would have starved and run out of materials. They also knew the risk to leave the most potent weapons in reserve. "An American cowboy first have a fistfight then pulls a knife or breaks furniture before reaches for his colt. Why does he give a chance to be knocked out or stabbed?" If the nuclear weapons stay in their silos there's always real risk they can be disabled. The only good nuke is the nuke fired. Without destroying as much of the enemy's forces as possible in the first hour of the war a modern army can disperse, go airborne, quickly leave its ports and bases only to be seen in battle later.

[@panderson9561]

@@foolsgold9993 Yeah but, if you use WMD early on...as would likely happen IRL...the books going to be a short read.

[@foolsgold9993]

@@panderson9561 I agree. I just find it completely appealing and somewhat dangerous that Tom Clancy is considered a prophet in Alternative History. It gives the impression a World War would be fought by conventional weapons only.

[@flamingoxe5984]

finally i missed the alt historys

[@rainmanslim4611]

Also, much of the USSR's fanaticism came from them fighting off a genocidal invasion by the Nazis. Stalin instead sending Russia's already devastated population of men of fighting age against a much stronger, more advanced enemy like the U.S with an industrial base multitudes bigger than Russia and Germany pre-ww2 combined would have caused such catastrophic casualties in a war that frankly, the Russians wouldn't have all that much popular will to fight unlike against the nazis. I think a revolution would happen in the soviet union against Stalin but it wouldn't be a violent uprising, but instead a revolution of an exhausted population simply giving up and not wanting to fight anymore especially among the soviet satellite states who generally hated their soviet occupiers. The Nazi invasion was one of such utter brutality and filled with such senseless mass slaughter and excessive cruelty that the soviet population was literally put up against a wall between fight with utter blind fanatical abandon or be exterminated. The Americans weren't the kind of enemy interested in butchering the population thus they wouldn't be faced with that kind of ultimatum that pushed them through WW2.

[@killconfirm226]

2:17 we’ll technically neither are the bloodiest war in history since everyone just gets vaporized

[@compatriot852]

2:43 Yeah the America still had a very large advantage over the Soviets still considering that most of their manpower were poorly equipped/trained conscripts. You also have to remember that the Soviet army had been losing to the Baltic Forest Brother guerillas for years because of this fact and then it especially became apparent later on in the 70s when also began losing militarily in Afghanistan to guerillas again. Also you failed to mention that countries like Lithuania would have probably gained independence like they had prior in WW1 due to Russia war exhaustion and already losing a guerilla war plus western backing

[@williamvalentine5155]

Back to back bangers as always!

[@Shagamaw-100]

Got the notification for this right when Prophet was reading about the Cuban missile crisis.

[@benglecat6991]

On a road trip and was listening to your previous videos! Then i check and you posted a new one! Thanks for giving me something interesting to listen to on this long car ride!

[@andrasbeke3012]

While I liked the video, it kinda felt like he was offered a sponsorship and made a video around it, not the other way around

[@gameslayer404]

welp I guess we'll know for sure now

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

Are you part of the History Slack Group? There's a Cold War collab today of various channels that this video seems consistent with.

[@WhatifAltHist]

Oh, yeah. I'm part of that Slack but I haven't looked at it in like a year.

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

@@WhatifAltHist The collab videos all posted at 11 AM, but if you're interested, you could reach out to Mr. Beat and The Cynical Historian to see if your video could be added. You'd probably just need also link to the playlist.

[@familygash7500]

*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if Adolf Hitler was captured by The Allies at the end of World War II?

[@Mike-dh5ur]

More people would know the date of the trials. That's about the only difference I can think of.

[@YO-pf3pq]

He still would have died. Like any other top nazis.

[@Hooliganz_650]

I feel like a junkie who just got they’re fix whenever this guy drops a video

[@walterkruse348]

3:15 Sooo... Basically Command and Conquer: Red Alert without the time travel and Tesla coils.

[@pineapplefresh4752]

Babe wake up, new Whatifalthist video

[@PhoebeK]

If the UK seat of government did not end up in Edinburgh or Cardiff it is as likely to land in Winchester (the old capital of Wessex), Tamworth (capital for Mercia) or Bamburgh (the old Northumbrian capital) as York. However, if things went really badly it would be St Davids (the smallest city in the UK hidden by welsh mountains) or even on the island of Ireland in the 6 counties somewhere. Yes many of the places I have named are now small market towns but they have history and defendable locations. Also, the UK plan for the Nuclear war was to effectively devolve most day-to-day operations to local power structures at the county level or below relying on local knowledge and organisation to prevent complete societal collapse.

[@PatrickSeiter]

Haven't had an alternate history in a while! Ah, how nice and refreshing to hypothesize non-nuclear war.

[@jamesnewman5204]

Can you do "what if the zoroastrianism was still the dominant faith in Iran"

[@IgorMgtowandVideoGames]

FINALLY an alternate history

[@imrekalman9044]

I must have missed something. 1, What if the US and the Soviets fought a conventional war? Then continues using nukes, which are not conventional. 2, The Brits got their hands on a Soviet T-54 in 1956, and realised NATO had nothing comparable to it. So came the M60, the Leopard I and the Vickers MBT, the two latter entering service in 1965, by the time the Soviets were fielding the T-62 and T-64. And that's just one from the top of my head. So what was the technical superiority (6:28) of the West? 3, Western Europe is a dense area. So was Eastern Europe including Germany that the Red Army conquered/liberated (point of view).

[@massengsle8779]

Britain had the centurion which was more then a match for the T-54. Tech superiority probably comes down to electronics, guidance systems and planes.

[@imrekalman9044]

@@massengsle8779 Centurion Mk 5/2 is where they started to be a match, which entered service in 1959.

[@voyagerkamen1386]

@@imrekalman9044 Pattons easily matched T-54s. Technological advancement isn’t just tanks though, as you would think. Jet technology, missiles, radar, industry was far more advanced in the US than USSR.

[@killconfirm226]

I feel like India & Brazil would be doing relatively well after this timeline

[@harshjain3122]

@Lego Yoda why not? Brazil is a good country with nice people

[@azaria5419]

Nuclear winter could cause mass starvation in India, so I doubt that.

[@kylehart643]

@Atlas you won even though it was not your aim

[@cuddlemuffin.9545]

@Dan SouthLondon Brazil is too shit to be functional. They are a paper potential superpower

[@northernbohemianrealist]

I watch videos from the former Soviet republics, and all I think is, "THESE are the people we were so afraid of???" Plus, without the cold war we would not have had Keri Russell.

[@Hugo-tv9ht]

When i read the title i expected it'd be normal war without nukesinvolved, a little disapointed to be honest but i'll admit the chances of countries not using nukes was slim so can't blame you from going that route.

[@Patman0074]

I don't see in any world the Soviets being able to load up multiple planes with atom bombs and nuking DC. There is just about 0% chance of that happening.

[@panderson9561]

I wouldn't say zero, but very unlikely. The reason why the Soviets were trying to put nukes in Cuba was because they didn't have a way to nuke most of the US, without using bombers.

[@Patman0074]

@@panderson9561 well yes. But in a war that starts in the 50's the Soviets never even have nukes in Cuba, and even if they did the planes bringing them over would be shot down and Cuba would be nuked to hell if they did.

[@foolsgold9993]

I was surprised the video didn't mention the nuclear torpedoes on Soviet subs. They had them by the late 50s and the were certainly capable to attack the big cities or make D.C inhabitable.

[@ishdx9374]

I can't believe it, but I thought about how interesting it would be to hear alternative history some time ago, and then see this

[@jonathanboerger274]

This is not what I thought you were going to talk about. I was thinking a war without nukes at all. Only conventional weapons.

[@Normalguy1690]

Same idea I had. I don’t get the point of the video title if he just talked about the Cold War going hot.

[@foolsgold9993]

It would have been a very unlikely scenario.

[@TheSetNyne]

I really love your channel, such a great subscription

[@JediAcolyte94]

What if the Raid on Harper's Ferry was successful? What if the Knights Templar never fell? What if Alaska never became a state?

[@forlornvaalan7630]

The biggest issue is that America began bringing troops back home almost immediately after V-E Day. Before they did that, the situation was pretty even regarding tanks and artillery. More so when you consider the Sherman's higher availability rating. But after that? Like say things popoff during the Korean war or before hand? Europe gets painted Red.

[@steadyjumper3547]

I find it interesting that people at least in this comment section, want alt history far more than they want actually history. I think we need a little escapism basically.

[@fduranthesee]

More than ever, considering how everything’s political nowadays…

[@hopeintruth5119]

@@fduranthesee every thing has always been political

[@aaronjiang878]

Why is it surprising that a channel called Whatifalthist released an alt hist vid?

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

Cause he didn't for a month.

[@grahamturner2640]

Because lately, he's been focusing on other content (e.g. philosophy).

[@ethanwmonster9075]

This timeline has a real 1984 vibe but instead of state mandated propaganda it's nationalistic fervor.

[@Oliver-jw3dy]

The best fervor

[@ethanwmonster9075]

@@Oliver-jw3dy Weird how liberals get nuked in this time line.

[@foolsgold9993]

It was interesting, But I think the Eastern-European nations would have revolted during the war or at least after the cease fire. They were under Communist rule for a short time and their national armies would have had very heavy losses, their economies decimated. Even without the war there was unrest in East-Germany in 1953, uprising in Poland and revolution in Hungary in 1956. I think unrest in Ukraine, in the Baltic States and maybe even in the Caucasus would have been likely, too. These areas on the fringe of the USSR have strong national identity and they were the first to revolt during the fall of the Soviet Union. I also read from many Russian authors how much the West underestimated their hatred for the communists. During the II. World War whole armies surrendered to the Germans that was unprecedented in the Russian history. There was more than 1 million Russians fighting in the Wehrmacht. Comparing the Soviet Union to the development of the territories they stationed in was very hard on the soldiers' morale even in Eastern-Europe. Allegedly during the Hungarian Revolution more Soviets were executed for denying to fight than actually died in action. During the Cold war thousands were deserting the Red Army and tried to escape to the West through heavily fortified borders knowing they risk certain death if they are caught. One of the reasons of the doctrine to create nuclear wastelands early in a war was to stop mass desertion and to create hostile reception for the deserters on the other side of the front. This time on the incredible losses of the last War were still fresh in the memory. And it couldn't have been justified by defending the Motherland. So I think another Russian Revolution wasn't unlikely to happen.

[@Kokostal-b3g]

Well, he had said "the Soviet Union probably would have collapsed one generation earlier". In our reality, it had collapsed in 1991. If you consider one generation to be ~25 years, then it means that Soviet Union collapses in 1991 - ~25 = about 1966. Which isn't too far off from from "during the war or at least after the cease fire", as you are describing.

[@foolsgold9993]

@@Kokostal-b3g I'm just happy it happened without a costly war. USSR collapsing or not it would have been terrible in so many ways.

[@bigbitehood1353]

Hey Whatifalthist, how far out do you think you can "accurately" predict the future based on your knowledge of the past?

[@fainitesbarley2245]

Couple of weeks?

[@anotherguycalled6253]

Finally this alternative history.

[@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761]

Very controversial, but what if "The Turner Diaries" happened.

[@ingold1470]

It would likely be in the same vein as "What if The Draka actually existed". He'd take the premise of neo-Nazi zealots seizing America in an apocalyptic civil war but tries to make it realistic by making them less overpowered, weighed down by dumb decisions resulting from their cartoonish ideology. Most of the story would be about the sudden power vacuum created by the collapse of American society as we know it IMO. Though given the importance he places on Malthusian pressures, I wonder if he'd end up saying that the standard of living would go up for the surviving 1/4th of the country that was sufficiently "pure" for the protagonists of the novel once the war ends.

[@ingold1470]

@@doomerdaniel Makes sense, even if the premise is "What if The Organization won as they did in the book" (WLP didn't spend much time thinking of names, did he? ) they could have seized control of a rump state.

[@shastealyomeal]

Nigga whaaaaat

[@panached1450]

4:39 i wasn't listening to what you said during this part cuz i was distracted by the Mediterranean sea smiling and waving at me

[@WoddCar]

Either way, the world is fucked, but in a different manner

[@76456]

Soviet Union tatics were fighting in profundity. American bomber wouldn't be able to reach deep targets in Soviet Union. There would be fight in The Caucasos too, but would be slow. Nato could try to create rebellion on Checheniax and then pass better. Scandinavia would also have slow fight. USSR would use paratroopers in Italy and Greece while trying to pass trow the mountains

[@foolsgold9993]

The Soviets probably would have forgotten about Greece. Maybe Yugoslavia would have had a go at it. They would have had the Hungarian Army together with some of their troops to break trough the Alps to Northern-Italy. It would have been an impossible feat that took years of bloody battles in the I. World War. They just wanted to prevent the Italians to transfer over to Germany, deny the North-Italian ports from the Americans and threaten South-France; having the French to divide their forces. They simply didn't have time or the troops for the slow push on the Peninsula like in the II. World War. The Caucasus, just like the Balkan and the Apennines, always was an impossible place to fight. Probably even the Turks learned the lesson from their last try and rather would have attacked the "soft underbelly of Russia" across the Black Sea.

[@76456]

@@foolsgold9993 yes well said

[@thelieutenant7732]

I’m not so sure about the technological edge factor, while we had the edge on nuclear weapons and delivery systems, Soviet tanks, rifles, jets, etc still would’ve outperformed us in the 1950s. We’d be struggling to penetrate T-55s with our M46s, struggling to out turn MiG-15s in our F-86s, and struggle to compete with the SKS and early AKs with our M1s and M1 Carbines. Our navy would be our biggest advantage, but that’s not super relevant when the only major front is the entirety of Europe. While the minor communist nations would be either pressed into service or be totally left out of the war with very small standing armies, the big threats would be obviously the Soviets themselves, but also the Chinese. China was able to halt the US with volunteers only when the US needed to call in a draft. If the entire country decided to mobilize for war with potentially tens of millions more troops for the communists, we could see a massive influx of Chinese troops in Europe if railway lines were connected with the Soviets. Of course this would omit the nuclear advantage we held and only be plausible if the nuclear bomb was never invented thus resulting in a slightly different end to WWII and all that. Though the idea would remain more faithful to a “What if the Cold War was Conventional” idea.

[@rokadaprliinnysystemyaczno4761]

Nice video. Thanks. Quite realistic

[@maronsulan7298]

FINALLY😭! Alternate history!

[@ianbelanger7459]

While it may not have changed the overarching results, the US would have probably been more effective in Vietnam. Politics prevented action in Laos and fear of all out war with China prevented the US from moving the DMZ (the new front) further north, which in our timeline prevented the US from cutting the enemy's north south supply line. A hot war would have made both actions more palatable.

[@MrRjh63]

Would have the soviet manpower base had recovered enough in the early 50s for them to try any large offensives?

[@benull100]

Yooooo, ty for the suggested readings!

[@santiagocarrer7394]

omg 2 videos in one week, what a Chad

[@roverrange3674]

The Bundeswehrs plan in the early was to try and slow down the Soviets while massing forces behind the Rhine. No one thought that, once the Red Army was rolling, they could be stopped conventionaly in Germany. Especially in the north German flatlands. Western German reservist were instructed to go to staging grounds which were almost in the Netherlands. I doubt that the Warsaw Pakt Armies would be able to make much further advances.

[@sinistercrusader4981]

two videos back to back. Hes being generous.

[@neonbunnies9596]

6:28 Those are exactly the conditions on why the Axis powers decided for blitzkrieg. Germany, Italy, and Japan didn't have the fertile fields or the industrial might of the Allies, and so resorted to using speed to defeat their opponents before they could even react. Could Soviet Russia not convert to using blitzkrieg given its massive disadvantages?

[@pabloarellano5485]

God bless it didn’t, we all know about the nukes, and it would just be WWII on steroids, just like WWII was basically WWI on steroids, and so on and so forth

[@halo3soap114]

Man! Loving the back to back uploads.

[@LudicrousTorpedo]

Another day, another video has been posted about an alternate history of the Cold War.

[@edmundwoolliams1240]

Did you watch Binkov’s video too? :p

[@ainzooalgown1888]

@Whatthalist Pretty good video!My suggestion for the next ''What if''video is about Attack on Titan.I wonder how would you interpet such a timeline irl?(If you have watched the show,if you haven't then just forget the suggestion)

[@xt7519]

If we are talking about a conflict in the 50's I think you need to take into account the state of things in Eastern Europe at the time and factor that in. In our timeline, there was quite a bit of unrest in several of those countries which I think would impact logistics if nothing else in a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, and potentially could have thrown a major wrench into the works of a Soviet-style invasion, especially if we are talking about nukes hitting the major railheads and other logistics centers supplying the troops pushing into Western Europe. I also think that the Korean conflict might have had a very different outcome, and question why, if the US was already tossing nukes at the Soviets and taking them in return China would come out of this conflict unscathed as the end of your video suggests. In our timeline, the US nuking China would almost certainly bring the Soviets in, but in this timeline, the US and Soviets are already at war, so the stalemate in Korea would almost certainly prompt a more radical response, and nuking key Chinese logistics (plus perhaps targets in North Korea where there were concentrations of Chinese troops or supply dumps) seems almost certain in this scenario. I seriously doubt China would come out of this war in good shape, if for no other reason than the Soviets would be a bit distracted to send them money, tech, or other materials as they did in our timeline.

[@biomuseum6645]

Finally a real Alternate history video

[@xtron1234]

Holy shit, a timeline where my city (Kansas City) could possibly be relevant. Let’s fucking go.

[@Deridus]

What was that line from one of the Bond movies? "You could destroy Kansas and no one would notice for a decade?" Are you SURE you'd want to live next to such a desolate wastand only to, one day a decade later, realise that you couldn't remember the last time to saw east-bound traffic?

[@xtron1234]

@@Deridus I mean hey it's a pretty nice city to live in. Just not much going on of much importance to the rest of the world.

[@MikeBronson515]

Would love to see a “What if Abraham Lincoln wasn’t assassinated”

[@Kingbeaver7970]

Oh god

[@garethwood8332]

I’d like to point out York isn’t that obscure. Also Yorkshire has a massive industrial base. Hereford would make a more remote capital.

[@tubickkema3009]

The Soviet European Union would be formed and Britain, Ireland would be the only Democratic countries in Europe

[@bartoszN01]

Lol

[@mushvigabbasov3951]

Alternate WW3 in HOI4 style: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXq5dpmlm5iZeLM

[@WeaselWeaselW]

Best timeline

[@jeaniusedits6094]

Yes everyone go watch the second comments video

[@thefernofrommarsgaming4204]

8:55 glad to see my state make it into the video :D

[@Doctor_Robert]

2:17 Literally George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove: Turgidson: "But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed!" President Muffley: "You're talking about mass murder, General, not war!" Turgidson: "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed! But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks."

[@benjaminobienu5297]

This is a great video Mr. Whatifalthist, with the Cold War almost being a normal similar to our timeline. My question for the aftermath after the Soviet Union collapsed. What type of new government to replace the brutal regime of the Stalinist regime? Will Russia become a democratic country similar to the fall of The USSR or become a constitutional monarchy to have a few surviving members of the Romanov Dynasty become a figurehead similar to the British Monarchy? I do have an interesting idea for your what-if video Mr. Whatiflathist, what if Rani of Jhansi ( Rani Lakshimbal aka The Warrior Queen of Jhansi) had survived from the Indian Rebellion of 1857 and the Indian Rebellion of 1857 had been successful? I already have a what-if idea similar to your previous videos about why people are unhappy with the modern world about what- if Rani of Jhansi had survived the Indian Rebellion of 1857. I do know Rani Lakshimbal had important allies such as Tatya Tope: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatya_Tope and Nana Sahib: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Saheb. The reason why she has died from the battle of Gawillor fo she refuses to surrender when her troops were overwhelmed by British forces. What If Rani Lakshimbal had retreat along with her surviving troops? Which lands or cities that defend and untouchable for the British army to conquer? Which kingdoms or princely states heavily defend? What tactics and strategies could Rani Lakshimbal and the remaining forces that retreat with her go could which location is any city that is heavily defended or unknown to the British troops? With Rani Lakshimbal surviving by retreating would any princely state or any other great empires in India consider joining Rani the Queen of Jhansi to aid her in drove off the British out of their kingdoms? With the British been defeated and most of the kingdoms, princely states, and two great empires had won their rebellion against British attempts to control their lands, would India be divided, or will there demand to be unification for a united India? If so which princely state, kingdom, or empire had the capability to united India as one country with its rule? Will this alternate India start to have an industrial revolution similar to Japan did with the Meji Era? What will be the industrial motivation for a united India to industrialize earlier? Will it be the fear of getting conqueror and being exploited by another western foreign power similar to the British Empire or will be major reforms be demanding changes by the people or those who are charged? If this India has industrial without the British East Company's control on the large continent, would India consider colonizing nearby lands near India's borders? If so, which countries would this India could colonize that have been encountered by Europeans? Would having colonies be a good thing for India or not? With India having colonies, what will an alternate India handle their colonial possessions? How will they do it differently than Europeans and other western powers; what type of governance these colonies would have and who do you think should run the colonies? Would this alternate India have allies to secure its power in the pacific? Which allies would this alternate India befriend any countries? Will the British tries to invade again or not? How powerful would a navy fleet be constructed and have trained leaders could defend the homeland against another British invasion? Would India retaliate by invading the British's colonies or conquer Great Britain itself, if we're provoked by the British attempt to conquer their homeland? Those are my question on my what-if video for what- if Rani of Jhansi survived and her impact that could shape the history of India. What are your thoughts on this alternate history Whatifalthist? Here are the links to more information about Rani of Jhansi:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_of_Jhansi Anyway, this is a great alternate history Whatifalthist, and I'm glad you still making alternate videos and more updates in your channel. Keep up the great work!! The reason why I choose this topic for there' never been any alternative history for Rani Lakshimbal survived along with the Indian Rebellion of 857 succeed, and I think it's a great topic to get to know more about the warrior queen of Jhansi and how her life could change the impact on Indian history and culture today.

[@XtoDoubt25]

How is the "What if the Suez Crisis escalated" timeline coming along?

[@IgorMgtowandVideoGames]

IDK we are waiting for months now

[@AshGamer007]

There is a timeline on work about it?