What if the Events of Oblivion NEVER Happened? - Alternate History - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@brandonmilanaik7263]

If the Mythic Dawn failed....Sean Bean doesn’t die For once.

[@zombiex5840]

Ahh but he still dies in everything else. Rip Borimir

[@xXSirKRXx]

ah yes, the Sean Bean Paradox

[@jesterssketchbook]

should....should we still go to Weynon Priory?

[@ast12321]

@@zombiex5840 I just watched the Brad Pitt Troy movie again and realised Sean Bean is Odyseus and he doesnt die

[@isiraratnayake9491]

One does not simply skip over the oblivion crisis.

[@jefthereaper]

Then the great Saint Jiub would never have died! (well and you know, all those other people, but whatever)

[@insaincaldo]

@@ant8ank2 Wasted? Just because the fate of Magnus hangs on you, doesn't mean you can't help a mer out with a book deal on the right side of Oblivion.

[@roderik4]

a giant rock falls in his head when he's on vacation in Vivec, but his soul doesn't end up in the Soul Cairn

[@realzachfluke1]

Lmfao

[@planexshifter]

Ah Jiub- he awoke me so gently upon arrival in Morrowind.....

[@insertnamehere1983]

Saint Juib could've then finished off the cliff racers (if he hadn't already, he supposedly wiped out a large amount but according to what I've researched he only wiped out a single den and even then it's not confirmed he killed them all) and finally Morrowind would be freed from annoying screeching

[@Xolcm]

If the third era never ended, that means the Greymarch never happened, so Jyggalag is still Sheogorath, and the hero of Kvatch never became a God.

[@doomsday437]

Hero of Kavatch wouldn't be the Hero of Kavatch either

[@michael6880]

Greymarch happens regardless but jyggalag isn't defeated. The hero of kvatch, seeing as "main character" is technically the greatest warrior within the span of time which you play probably becomes a high ranking blades member and a good friend of Uriel VII, not to mention probably the leader of the mages or fighters guild(only one for the sake of logic)

[@logancluer1141]

Mikael Kula no our player character would still be in prison Lmao

[@kaimagnus5760]

@@logancluer1141 The Alt History required the player to directly stop the assassination. Saving an Emperor's life is almost always a good way to get an official pardon for your crimes.

[@willswenson3169]

@@michael6880 the greymarch only happens once every era. No era change (from 3rd to 4th), no greymarch. At least not for a while

[@ReicHHere]

Since the lock down me and my brother have been playing Skyrim again hardcore, these stories about lore is very helpful in enriching our experience with the games, it feels like a living world because of this

[@FumblsTheSniper]

Definitely worth finding a way to play oblivion and morrowind. Morrowind is really only good on pc but a 360 and copy of oblivion would be like 50$ total.

[@FumblsTheSniper]

Oh and of course you would have a 360 to play whatever games from that generation that you miss.

[@rustyfolk9128]

The video title makes me wonder = "What if Bethesda never sold Golden horse armor DLC in Oblivion?"

[@redpanzer]

the missing revenue from Horse armor causes Bethesda Game Studios to go bankrupt. Todd in a fit of rage kills his wife and uses his personal computer to hack into the US's nuclear weapons arsenal causing a global apocalypse. In this new world survivors can only use animal mounts for faster transport as all locomotives have been destroyed. Todd Howard scours the wasteland looking for salvageable materials. Rumors spread among the survivors of a short and handsome man roaming the wastes selling protective plating for horses.

[@rustyfolk9128]

@@redpanzer And that universe is the one we called Fallout 76...😱

[@redpanzer]

@@rustyfolk9128 Todd sits in his cramped wood shack speaking to himself "they all ridiculed me, they said you dork no one would buy the Horse Armour Dlc. Who's laughing now"

[@kaimagnus5760]

Tod,as he hacks into the launch system: If it doesnt't work, then nothing will.

[@willheisdarkrock6286]

To be fair, Todd has gone on record to state that the success of the Horse armor DLC was the only reason all the other DLC were made. Something to think about.

[@Maliz_Ultraviolet_Lantern]

Something to consider as well. If the Empire isn’t struggling to prepare for a 2nd Great War then they can send way more troops as well as allies from nearby provinces to help suppress Ulfric’s rebellion which means he has even less of a chance. Also since the Blades are not wiped out during the Great War they can become Dragon Hunters again in a more official capacity to assist the Dragon-blooded Emperor against Alduin, further ensuring victory since they don’t have to hide from the Thalmor

[@publiusdraco2557]

And if there isn't a Great War to begin with, Ulfric never ends his training to be a Greybeard.

[@kaimagnus5760]

Alternate Master Ulfric:.*whispers* do vah kin *ground trembles*

[@sanjarsocool]

Ulfric wouldn’t be controversial but just a normal king

[@MegaZeta]

Actually, then, the Psijic Monks come back, but they all have a sort of diarrhea that turns into the monsters from Aliens when it leaves their bodies. This causes property values to skyrocket when this version of the monsters from Aliens all turn out to be quiet, fastidious tenants with a steady rate of multiplication, making the Cloud District even less accessible.

[@insaincaldo]

@@publiusdraco2557 Oh yeah, quite a miss to set him as the pro-Skyrim leader in a scenario where he would have never left High Hrothgar to fight for and subsequently feel abandoned by the Empire. Hell, even Galmar Stone-Fist would still be an imperial soldier.

[@TheInsaneTeddy]

Alternate History AND Elder Scrolls?! Scott is a man after my own heart.

[@justelliot4870]

Thanks Xi Xinping, very cool.

[@SickDelight]

@@justelliot4870 Hey now, it's rude to call the Chinese president names.

[@c.t.1893]

Winnie the Pooh sure has changed a lot...

[@roadhouse6999]

What if the Nationalists won the Chinese Civil War?

[@TheInsaneTeddy]

@@roadhouse6999 That's dangerous thoughts, please come visit one of our fine organ harvesting facil- I mean Summer camps! Free of charge of course, best time of your life :D

[@StraightUpIrishJames]

If the events of Oblivion never happened, Daddy Vivec would till be here watching over me in these treacherous times

[@isiraratnayake9491]

Well this is unexpected

[@publiusdraco2557]

Calling it now, Vivec and Lorkhan team up at the end of ES VII.

[@yassine_elm1344]

@@publiusdraco2557 if there is a ESVII

[@insaincaldo]

@@yassine_elm1344 Even if ES 6 fails. Even if it fails so hard it kills Bethesda and makes everything they have ever touched, toxic nightmare fuel for other publishers. ES 7, or ES "break away title" will still be made, at the very least. If that fails though, well that might kill interest for good.

[@docstoise196]

Without the Oblivion Crisis, there is no reason to dissolve the Mages Guild.

[@MegaZeta]

What about the acid monsters that would then invade from an alternate timeline, join the workforce and go on strike, causing a shortage of acid-washed denim trousers that the Mages Guild have already adopted to set themselves apart from the common folk? You can't expect them to keep going as an organization with that sort of dent in their morale.

[@docstoise196]

@@MegaZeta Not an issue, with the Mages Guild still around, mages can still use the Altar of Spellmaking, so they can make their own acid spells

[@lewismacleod7099]

You forget - Martin Septim is Sean Bean. He'd be dead before he even got to the Imperial City.

[@generalgamer50]

Wait Martin is Sean Bean?! So they have both Sean bean and Patrick Stewart voice acting in Oblivion? ...holy shit thats awesome lmfao

[@zhain0]

@@generalgamer50 they are just missing brain blessed and Ian mckellen for the ultimate cast

[@legionarybooks13]

@@generalgamer50 I think Sir Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean broke their voice actor budget. Hence the lack of variety between NPCs of the same race / gender. It also often gets overlooked that Lynda Carter voices the female Nords and Orcs, and has been in every Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind. Totally changed my perspective when I realised that the Yellow Team's Champion in the Arena is the OG Wonder Woman herself!

[@flarefox3797]

When you think that even though he failed, Dagon got what he wanted, Change has taken place, the world is different

[@insaincaldo]

The best villains win, even when defeated. Just like the Joker didn't risk Gotham's soul in a fist fight.

[@charlemagnebrown]

Yeah but Dagon just wanted control. I don't think he gives rat's ass how Tamriel changed.

[@mattnlogan101]

Shoezz agree. OP is a moron.

[@thompsonator4696]

@@charlemagnebrown isn't Dagon like the Daedric prince of chaos and change and something else I forget, why wouldn't he want that?

[@PenguinPatrol]

@@mattnlogan101 Less of a moron than you think. Mehrunes Dragon is the Prince of Change and Revolution. His ultimate goal (the downfall of the Septim Dynasty) gets accomplished regardless; gaining control is hardly something he is interested in.

[@nathanwhite64]

The Mythic Dawn aren't in this timeline? Where have Dagon?

[@bucksfuttly1325]

Leave.

[@connorross4571]

I get it, that is funny.

[@slimretro2659]

Delete this.

[@thiccnicc6848]

What?

[@rainbowgamer6703]

I'm just upset it took me 10 seconds to understand thid

[@dead_buttons]

FudgeMuppet: "So, essentially, prophesies are not set in stone." Me: Slowly glancing over at Alduin's Wall, realising that it was plastic all along.

[@JohnZ117]

You missed something big when discussing the Argonians. Their invasion was precipitated by their success during the Crisis, and Morrrowind's weakening by it. Considering that, it is probable that the invasion wouldn't have happened.

[@Obs3ver]

Maybe the hist enhanced the argonians in preparation, but since the crisis never happens, the argonians still have their megabuff for the invasion

[@koboldrunner]

“Uriel lives to the ripe old age of 76.” Going to have to stop you right there in the beginning of oblivion he said he was born 87 years ago.

[@ANinjaSpartan]

He spent 10 years in a plane of oblivion in a state of suspended animation if, I remember correctly, so technically not too off on the age calculation.

[@joshuabarker5703]

I always wondered why the empire or the Dunmer didnt simply chip away mining at the meteor over Vivec until it was no more of a threat?

[@elvangulley3210]

They kinda did it was hollow they turned it into the ministry of truth

[@publiusdraco2557]

@@joshfield5801 As long as Vivec was around it was a non-issue, but seeing as we don't have a canon answer as to his ultimate fate, it was probably way too late to just demolish it in time.

[@arrisam2574]

Didn't Vivec keep the meteor around as one of the way to ensure his people will still worship him?

[@publiusdraco2557]

@@arrisam2574 Yep, that's why it was never dealt with while he was around.

[@TheRealPDizzle]

@Josh Field When Vivec stopped the meteor, he suspended it at the exact velocity it was moving at before it crashed into Nirn. He decreed that is the Dunmer stopped loving and worshipping him, his magic would wane and the meteor would continue its original course and speed and destroy them. Just one of the many reasons Vivec was an asshole and a false god.

[@patrickaycock3655]

FudgeMuppet 20 years from now: "What if the ants on the stump in riverwood invaded morrowind before the events of daggerfall?" "Check the link below for our guide on the Warrior Ant from the Stump in Riverwood Build."

[@notaweebijustwatchanime.7573]

And I'd still watch it.

[@mithrae4525]

Looking forward to this one. And ES 6 soon after :)

[@HorseLover1150]

Just a thought, but, wasn't Ulfric training to be a Greybeard, then left when the Great War broke out? Without the War, he'd be a Greybeard and have no reason to go after thrones.

[@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok]

He was training with them to learn unrelenting force

[@FreezyPop]

@@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok source?

[@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok]

@@FreezyPop ulfric himself said this when the dragonborn asked about the high kings death via the thu'um

[@FreezyPop]

@@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok i meant where he said he was learning unrelenting force specifically and not just the thum since you said he only wanted to learned unrelenting force

[@UnsilencedOutspokenTikTok]

@@FreezyPop ulfrics only thu'um he's used, no matter your side in the Civil war, is unrelenting force. Yeah you don't hear the fus ro dah but it's clearly obvious

[@RAAAAHHHwithlove]

What if M'aiq never lied?

[@michaeljeffrey4392]

going for the heavy-hitting questions

[@ltloxa1159]

Is this a hypothtical senario or are you starting to question your previous beliefs.

[@RAAAAHHHwithlove]

@@ltloxa1159 yes

[@Zeivusgaming]

He would be M'aiq the Truthful. Or M'aiq the Nemo

[@GlitchedMuse]

He isn't. He says it himself. He seems trustworthy.

[@radzilla748]

Love ya mates... You are in my eyes the Vivec of the Elder Scrolls tribunal with your very poetic outlook on the Elder scrolls, constant pondering of the metaphysics of the Aurbis. And a duality portrayed by both Drew and Scott who seem the same at first due to their voices, but are very different in nature. Impérial Knowledge is Sotha Sil He is wise, in-depth, logical and accurate. He remains the most grounded and and examines things with a closer lens. Making us see clearer what's in front of us. Lady of scrolls being Almalexia with her having a gentle and nurturing surface, but an understood underline seriousness portrayed by her lengthy and thorough videos leaving no corner untouched and no rock unturned.

[@PsySaucererOfnHen]

If the prisoner stepped in the way (and dies), it's likely (if the Champion of Cyrodil really did become Sheogorath) that the Greymarch would've occured and Haskil would be no more :( Whether or not the Aldmeri Dominion would've put the Empire in a tight spot is up for debate, but it's possible that without the Oblivion Crisis happening, the Viligant of Stendar would never have formed, meaning it's very likely the Dawnguard wouldn't have formed either (seeing as Isran was once a Vigilant) and Harkon would've shat on the sun. Also, the An-Xileel may not have gotten as influential, since their notoriety began with the rebuffing of the daedric invasion. This could also mean that they may not have invaded Morrowind since the Dunmer were still at full force. House Hlaalu would've retained its status as a Great House in Morrowind. Such a topic is always interesting. I hope the next topic involves the Ayleids!

[@thealien2437]

Harkon would not have because Serana would still be sealed away

[@PsySaucererOfnHen]

@@thealien2437 he did send an expedition team of a few vampires to search the crypt, led by Lokil

[@Sheenulus]

The Greymarch most likely wouldn't have occurred since it happens at the end of an era, and the end of the third era was marked by the Oblivion Crisis (the idea being that the third era continues if the Oblivion Crisis never happened).

[@PsySaucererOfnHen]

@@Sheenulus Doesn't change the fact that Sheo needs a replacement eventually, and it's kinda difficult to get people into the Shivering Isles without them being that susceptible to insanity, much less a powerful individual or hero that can fill his shoes and beat Jyggalag.

[@MegaZeta]

I mean, this is all up for debate, because you're discussing a story some writers wrote once, and the only "counter-history" you can have for it is to invent fan fiction that tells us more about you than anything else.

[@blanchfor]

The hero would never get out of that jail and that annoying dark elf would taunt him endlessly.

[@craig7021]

So long as Aela and Serana are still a thing in this version of history I approve.

[@diosoth]

Serana was sealed in the second era, so provided the Volkihar vampires weren't wiped out, Dawnguard would play out similarly.

[@DedDessod]

Wait up.. I thought everyone hated Serana

[@drbritishdude]

@@DedDessod not me. Pissed I can't marry her.

[@vokunyolsil]

@@drbritishdude "Not comfortable in temples" always felt like a cop out to me. A fairly believable one given her history, but still a cop out.

[@drbritishdude]

@@vokunyolsil rejection is rejection

[@jonathanperrins8432]

I love these sort of vids, you have a real talent for extrapolation and story telling mate.

[@TheRealPDizzle]

If the events of the Oblivion Crisis never happened, I never would have moved to the Shivering Isles and met my wonderful wife. I don’t know why they call them the Shivering Isles because the weather here isn’t cold at all. It’s rather lovely except for when it rains spiders and troll urine. My beautiful wife with her golden skin is a local guard in the city watch. Everyone said that Man and Daedra are not supposed to fall in love, but we certainly prove them wrong. (By the Nine someone please help! I don’t know why they are called golden Saints, They’re anything but Saints! I wish I’d never cheated on her with her cousin; but they are called dark seducers for a reason, and I’m just a simple mortal. Everyone here is insane. I wanna go home! I’d rather be cabbage farmer in the Chloe in Highlands. By Mara’s grace the mood swings are terrifying. And the cousin won’t stop tempting me.)

[@Berserk_Knight]

Some lines we could have heard if Uriel Septim survived. -Captain Jean-Luc...err,- Emperor Uriel, ordering an attack : Engage. Emperor Uriel, after listening to his advisors' suggestions : Make it so.

[@LanMandragon1720]

Calling Ocato "Number One"

[@briansanders8122]

Wasn't it the Great War that compelled Ulfric to take on his father's mantle as a jarl in the first place? If the absence of the Oblivion Crisis prevents the Great War from happening entirely, then I think it's a pretty safe assumption that Ulfric continues his studies and meditations with the Greybeards. In fact, it could be Ulfric himself teaching Shouts to the Dragonborn instead of Arngeir. And you completely forgot about another bit of fallout from the Oblivion Crisis, the disbanding of the Mages Guild. Without the Daedric hordes creating all that anti-mage sentiment throughout Tamriel, the Mages Guild remains standing. Who knows how that could have affected the College of Winterhold.

[@seancdaug]

This was your best alternate history video yet, IMO. Interesting premise, thoughtful exploration of the implications, and, ultimately, it's just a fascinating period of time in the lore and really has a lot to sink your teeth into. Really enjoyed this. As for other ideas, maybe something spinning out of one of the earlier games in the series? Something like "what if the Imperial Simulacrum never ended/Uriel VII was never freed at the end of Arena"?

[@valendrien6517]

What if the Snow Elves repelled Ysgramor and the 500 companions

[@flamebird2218]

Or what if the Night of Tears never happened?

[@Hurtydwarf]

What if Jauffre never took the Amulet of Kings from you, therefor not letting it get stolen from Weynon Priory and immediately being able to light the Dragonfire after saving Martin from the siege of Kvatch?

[@fearthepiggaming2998]

One thing that could happen that I think would be amazing is if you were a chosen dragonborn of akatosh and the emperial line was still around maybe part of the plot line could be the factions choosing to align with you either against the emperor and his line or there could be another side wanting you to marry into the family. The amount of insanity that could happen from a second dragonborn separate from the line could be amazing

[@ionceateapinecone]

2:34 the game softlocks and you spend eternity in a dungeon with Patrick Stewart. /video

[@bIacklegsanji]

Everyone asked this question when they stood in front of the emperor during the assasination cutscene in the dungeons.

[@Spike2276]

I love this alternate history series, it's so awesome to think on how different TES universe could be with the slightest changes

[@Kainlarsen]

I guess Manky Camoran would be very, very upset at not getting his paradise. :D

[@ceasefire2825]

UwU daddy dagawn can i still have mwy pawadise? *said mancar Cameron clearly trying to seduce mehrunes dagon*

[@sunclonkt7839]

@@ceasefire2825 WHAT IN OBLIVION HAVE YOU BROUGHT TO THIS CURSED LAND. *pulls my silver sword and wears my crusader armor* We can't expect Nine to do all the work.

[@ceasefire2825]

@@sunclonkt7839 UwU genewal tuwwius pwease dwont kill me OwO *snuzzles you with hard daedric intent*

[@sunclonkt7839]

@@ceasefire2825 I don't speak daedric sorry. UwO

[@viveka2994]

@@ceasefire2825 what the fuck lmao

[@Scotttjt]

What if Alessia's Rebellion failed?

[@Doralga]

The Nords with the power of the Voice attempt to take Cyrodil in the name of Nordic conquest meaning we're post provinces become Scandinavian hahaha

[@slimretro2659]

@@Doralga that would fail tho, nords are not good at keeping multiple provinces. Unless after rulling multiple provinces they take the place of Imperials as the democratic race.

[@Doralga]

@@slimretro2659 Correction Septim Imperials are diplomatic Definitely NOT Alessia's or Reman's empire there not a Democratic race they Became one overtime your right about the Nords being less civilized but without the Nedic people winning and the gods liking balance the Nords are next in line For how long as long as Jurgen windcaller takes the voice teachings with him and leaves the nords to fend for themselves

[@wiibrockster]

I seriously enjoyed this yet again! I'd like to thank the three of you for putting out these videos even during the quarantine. It's made my quarantine a lot more bareable and a perfect companion to my new Oblivion playthrough.

[@thevioletlightning0139]

What if The Lusty Argonian Maid was never written? Lol

[@Justin032106]

The entire continent would descend into chaos over sexual frustration.

[@KingpinCarlito]

Birth rates sky rocket from the lack of masterbation

[@publiusdraco2557]

The funniest thing you'll ever hear is when the devs are asked who wrote it, and they all say, "Don't have a clue......"

[@insaincaldo]

There would be allot less one hand masters.

[@c.t.1893]

There'd be no one handed skill tree...

[@luckyjedi429]

I wanted to mention the prophecy thing, but you shut me up with your own rebuttal. And the new reason for the civil war occurring is genius. You guys have some insane storytelling prowess.

[@MCPunk55]

Once again, Alduin cannot arrive because the Oblivion Crisis and the Great War never happened, which means the High King of Skyrim was never killed, which means there's no Civil War and thus the "White Tower" doesn't lie kingless and bleeding.

[@kalincheng4265]

I think it would be cool to see an alternate history video about "What if the Nerevarine stayed in Morrowind"

[@DCowboys60]

Easy answer: we would still be waiting on a new TES game for 10+ years

[@GWinterbornYT]

Didn't the Red Year happen because Vivec disappeared during the Oblivion Crisis? Was there some other reason he disappeared? I think the crown and the blades would ally with the church to create some version of what the Vigilants of Stendarr are in the standard timeline, whose sole purpose would be rooting out and destroying what remains of the Mythic Dawn. I'm pretty sure Martin's ascension to the throne would probably spark the Elder Scrolls version of the Dance of Dragons, with much more scope that just Skyrim, which would probably be one-sidedly sponsored by the still secret Aldmeri Dominion. They'd most likely encourage and instigate the destruction and chaos, ultimately coming out to start their Elven war in the aftermath (if they didn't just install a puppet successor themselves). Alduin would still come out of the timegate, everyone would still be unprepared and ill-equipped to deal with it, and much of what takes place in Skyrim would still more or less happen, minus the civil war, which would have already taken place during the Elder Scrolls Dance of Dragons two hundred years before.

[@MALWylie]

Wasn’t Uriel Septim VII 87 during Oblivion? Wouldn’t he have been 97 when he died in this alternate timeline?

[@laylatheplaya6518]

This is Cody with Alternate History Hub.

[@kylemaloy5524]

Yalls really out here uploading at 6am, good thing I'm still up pulling an allnighter writing a paper

[@Starrfortythree]

What if I never discovered the Invisibility Ring? I couldn’t resist it’s power and my precious bewitched me.

[@sagacious03]

Quite an interesting delve into the lore! Thanks for uploading!

[@bonda3rd150]

Can you do a timeline without Jyggalag becoming sheogorath? Also awesome video

[@slimretro2659]

He would take over oblivion and his next goal would be conquering mundas, which he would've absolutely succeed if he had all 16 daedric realms in his hands. I don't believe he could take over aetheriues tho, since some sources claim that Anu is still in aetheriues and you can't defeat Anu no matter how powerful you are.

[@derpmcgerp5968]

The Bound Warrior: Uses all of the bound weapons to expertise. As well as being able to summon powerful Dremora and Atronachs. Wears Vokun and heavy chitin armor gauntlets and boots

[@thecondescendinggoomba5552]

Why didn't youtube recommend me this sooner! Your alternate history stuff is great!

[@Burned-Legate]

What IF Lorkhan was never defeated by Auriel and Trinimac?

[@michaeljeffrey4392]

by the moons!...

[@slimretro2659]

I love this. Auriel and Trinimac are fucking virgins for killing the chad lorkhan.

[@brandonmizon2887]

there would be no red mountain. and instead of two moons lorkhan would most likely have his own planet/plane instead of ruling sovngarde as a ghost of his former self

[@slimretro2659]

@Tree of Wisdom you can't simp for men

[@wickedcrayon6022]

I liked this. It’s always interesting to think about alternate timelines and possibilities.

[@crandleberrysadie]

Fudgemuppet... The best "What Ifs" ever. Thanks, guys.

[@MDmon]

One problem in your alternate time line.. I killed King Helseth with the help of Long Live The King mod. Due to the fact that he tried to kill me on at least two occasions, even after he enlisted my help when I traveled to Mournhold to face the Dark Brother hood. I've killed people for less in the game and decided he deserved no special consideration.

[@corymccarty3921]

Going off of the revised Skyrim, what if when fighting Alduin with the dragonborn, they die and you have to take his place in a way, learning the way of the voice from the greybeards and uncovering interactions with Akatosh to really become the last dragonborn

[@roadkillz78]

Woot! FM granted my request! Great video!

[@saber5821]

The vigils of stendarr what happened to them as their order was founded after the oblivion crisis would their order still be founded if there was no crisis to begin with ?

[@markogdon5746]

If oblivion did not happen Sean Bean would not have to die.

[@ArdysLoreLibrary]

I love how nobody noticed how Scott said that Uriel VII. dies in 3E 443 at the age of 86, yet he was already 87 when he was assassinated in the original timeline.

[@joshuatayloe8616]

The player could and would likely still be a Dragonborn. Remember there are 2 types of Dragonborn in the lore. Those from Alesia's Line have the blood, but are not capable of absorbing souls or using the Thum without training. Those from Tiber's line have the soul and can use the Thum and absorb souls. As stated in the video the Septim line is no longer direct descendents from Tiber so they likely no longer have the soul of a Dragon. Also before someone says they could become Avatar of Akatosh as Martin did I doubt Akatosh would bring himself to killing his first born. I mean not even the Dragonborn truly kills Alduin in ES5, you never actually absorb his soul.

[@krystalwolfy]

Then the aldemeri dominion wouldn't have so much power over the weakened empire

[@adge5182]

The Dominion would have never existed.

[@publiusdraco2557]

@@adge5182 Yeah, imagining the Thalmor being a thing in this alternate timeline, is like imagining a world where WWI never happened, but Hitler and Stalin are still players on the world stage.

[@slimretro2659]

@@publiusdraco2557 the thalmor are not a new thing, they've been around for quite some time before the crisis. The Dominion on the other hand wouldn't have existed.

[@publiusdraco2557]

@@slimretro2659 The Thalmor are new, and retroactive in the timeline. That being said, a version of them, that wasn't as Snidely Whiphlash would have been preferred in Skyrim.

[@slimretro2659]

@@publiusdraco2557 the thalmor has existed since 2E-580

[@schaksi631]

Could it be possible that everything that happen in Oblivion and Sykrim is part of a dragon break?

[@chrisnorton4912]

I believe so..

[@roastedgoose1780]

I love the oblivion lore because of how beautiful the music is

[@maximgun3833]

Y'know the Aldmeri Dominion claiming to have brought back the missing moons sounds a bit of a gamble when you take into consideration that if they can bring back the moons than wouldn't that mean that they possibly can also make it disappear as well and thus possibly also be accused of such?

[@connorross4571]

Nice video man.

[@borisdaanimal4014]

it doesn't get said enough, but i really appreciate the amount of thought that goes into these videos

[@misterbrady100]

Suggestion: What if Khajiit had not discovered moon sugar/skooma?

[@greenscheme2040]

Autism Cat would be so very sad!

[@Jonas_æ]

Really enjoying this series, and you make good cases for your alternative timelines for the most part. But. I must point out that I'm a bit disappointed with the framing of the civil war in Skyrim as I think the new agenda for Ulfric sounds very forced. I don't think Ulfric would wage war against the Empire or their loyalists in this timeline, because I think he would be a loyalist himself. Sure, he holds Nordic history, culture and tradition in high regard, but in the original timeline he would even abandon his post as a student of the Greybeards(the very essence of Nordic tradition in 4th era Skyrim) to fight for the Empire in the Great War. In his mind, as with most Nords, the Septim line within the Empire IS Nordic history. In the original timeline that line had ended 200 years ago and he still fought for the Empire, and only started his rebellion once he was convinced the Empire of old that he and the Nords valued so much was no more.

[@akhilgautam9082]

If the protagonist of oblivion never starts his journey, jyglagg would still be trapped as sheogorath and the greymarch would still happen, which also means our hero never becomes sheogorath. So what happened to the prisoner who saved uriel when martin becomes king??

[@thatoneguy6580]

If the oblivion crisis didn’t happen we wouldn’t have such a great game

[@kaibauer-derrick8068]

This is a follow up on the trend what if something didn't happen. I like it!

[@bananarama711]

I mean, if anyone questioned Martin's legitimacy... he could just light the dragonfires... that thing that only Dragonborns (and therefore potential Emperors) can do

[@lonewolf-re2fg]

What if Uriel did die but you were able to stop mehrunes dagon from entering tamriel so then Martin could survive?

[@slimretro2659]

Well, this changes a lot actually.

[@napdragon94]

Even if the Thalmor came to power in the Summerset Isles they'd never attack Cyrodiil with a Septim King on the throne, the Great War and the Stormcloak Rebellion never occur and the events of Redfall (whatever that may be) never happen either since that has to do with Hammerfell defeating the Thalmor because that plotline has to be solved and ES6 is definitely in Hammerfell.

[@davidsaltzgiver9210]

The mages guild be around, magic would not be disliked and in winterhold the college would not make the great collapse,

[@jessestevenson1544]

do a alternative timeline on what would happen if Dragons never return to Tamriel

[@eoinkelly8083]

The game he makes up in this actually sounds like it would be amazing

[@TeCHnORiOT]

Yeah I'd play it. I wonder if someone could make a mod for Skyrim about it.

[@ashookamanuela1901]

"What if Oblivion never happened?" My heart wouldn't be fucking broken for one. I liked Martin a lot, okay?!

[@marystone860]

I like the music you used in the background, where did you get it?

[@greenscheme2040]

Oblivion's soundtrack mainly.

[@Jay92296]

if the aldmeri dominion used the dark brother hood to assasinate the emporor causing the civil war it could make for a really interesting dark brother hood quest where you need to infiltrate the group to find out who ordered the contract without arousing suspision still needing to kill or trying to help targets escape and hide making a very interesting moral dynamic

[@HappyHippo2002]

Are you guys planning on doing any more vanilla Special Edition builds? Or is that over now? I'm planning on playing them when I get Skyrim for the switch and was wondering if more were coming, because it's already gonna take forever to finish all of your vanilla Builds. There's 69 of them, total!

[@Dogmelter42]

If Oblivion didn't happen, the entire city of the Skingrad would be a depopulated ghost town, whatever survivors that remain speaking of the evil being known as... Glarthir.

[@greenscheme2040]

Glarthir, yet another great Oblivion character. Oblivion had the most interesting NPC's.

[@novelgiani]

Imagine how awkward it must have been in Black Marsh with all the Argonians waiting for the gates to open.

[@jefthereaper]

This actually made me realize. Who is to say Martin was really the last of his bloodline? He himself was a bastard son who was hidden away. Its quite likely the Uriel bloodline had many more bastard children over the years. So its possible another will return one day, being relieved to being of the Uriel Septim bloodline, carrying the dragon blood.

[@Dragoncam13]

I’d argue that there were possibly distant relatives alive somehow

[@theironknight597]

This video is literally amazing imo even though I'm only 16 rn oblivion is easily my most favorite elder scrolls game way better than skyrim btw I wouldobe if you guys could make another witcher 3 video as those were all masterpieces. P.S.- Never been this early since the fallout 4 builds videos good times 😄!

[@usp3p12]

I don’t think the Last Dragon Born wouldn’t be needed in fact I think the total opposite will happen. Alduin return would most likely play out as this, you as the True Dragonborn (not last but True Dragonborn) would safety be able to cross the border into Skyrim. The True Dragonborn would stop at Helgen to rest after such a long journey. There would be Imperial soldiers there who guard the border along with Falkreath Hold Guards. Ralof would still be there but only because since no Civil War he can openly pursue his girl from Helgen, while being a border guard along with his comrade Hadvar who is also a border guard. Alduin attacks the True Dragonborn must flee with either Hadvar or Ralof after the two was separated. The events would eventually play out the same the True Dragonborn would be lead to Riverwood, meet the Jarl, however events plays differently. Instead of going out to Bleakfalls the Dragon attacks Whiterun tower. The Dragonborn along with some Whiterun Guard and Jarl housecarl defeats the Dragon. The events play out as before the Dragonborn absorbs the Dragon soul while a guard tell him of the Dragonborns who actually absorbs Dragon souls, but upon his return to Whiterun he would welcomed by Delphine dress in her full Blade uniform with other Blades with her beside the Jarl. While the Dragonborn then explains he killed the Dragon and absorb its soul. This where it gets interesting the Blades are in disbelief they don’t know what to say. For they only thought the Dragonborn Blood existed in the Septim bloodline. However here stands a Nord man/woman with no ties to the Septims who is able to do what they seemingly cannot absorb a Dragons soul. From there a lot will play out but I type enough lol.

[@VattuyRam00991]

if skyrim never happened we wouldnt have to deal with the absolutely horrible plot.

[@CheeseOfLore]

5:34 Angry mobster Daedras firing firebolt and lightning bolt at the cameraman...

[@ashbankston9892]

What if the Cameron Usurper had been victorious?

[@stevenmichaelcunningham4085]

I would like a alternate version consisting of The Grey-BEARDS foreseeing the threat that is Alduin & such so they seek those Dragon-born to teach the ways of meditation & such. Effectively negating any possibility for violence in combat unless the perpetrator is in fact, suicidal or other-wise perverse this harmful. Considering the Dragon-born of Sky-rim is a marauding menace too.....perhaps in this time line it is rescued by the Dragon-born as it interferes with Alduin's assault on Helgen?

[@explodingplant2]

I'll tell you what. The beautiful singing Dunmer man is still alive. Gracing us with his beautiful cliff racer jams

[@christophermiller129]

could you do a alternate history vid of what if Alduin ate the world or what the next world would be like and what races would survive into the next world?

[@camphipps10]

More Alternate History pls!

[@bombshell782]

If the oblivion crisis never happened you still wouldn’t be able to get to the cloud district very often

[@cheyblues]

good morning everyone!!

[@tdswen1]

My quarantine has yielded a Morrowind playthrough. I like your timeline ideas, though I just brought Nerevarine Justice to Helseth for his multiple attempts on my life.

[@Ericstone00]

You left out a side mission may not be too relevant but the hero of kovatch went to the shivering isles completed that quest and became the new Sheogorath. So how much chaos would the old one have caused and what type of ripple effect would it have?

[@heliopolitan444]

I've never been this EARLY BEFORE!🔥

[@Milkman12345]

What if the prisoner used console commands to kill the Mithic dawn Asassin.