What if the US Annexed Mexico

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@stargazer-elite
@stargazer-elite 11 ай бұрын
I could definitely see this happening especially if the USA had gotten Canada beforehand as the push would be about keeping the balance of northern free states and southern slave states
@monsieurcharcutier4490
@monsieurcharcutier4490 11 ай бұрын
But adding Mexico wouldn't have added any slave states because they had already abolished slavery
@TheDarkCeratosaurus
@TheDarkCeratosaurus 11 ай бұрын
the usa actually did have an interest in annexing canada after the american revolutionary war
@cosmosyn2514
@cosmosyn2514 11 ай бұрын
@@monsieurcharcutier4490you say this like the south wouldnt push to relegalize slavery in mexico
@elperrodelautumo7511
@elperrodelautumo7511 11 ай бұрын
They wouldn’t really take all of Mexico. In reality, had the USA annexed Canada, they could’ve really taken current day northern Mexico and the Yucatán. But allow central Mexico to remain independent. Just allowing the states that surround Mexico City to reign easily. Mexico is a mountainous country. They would make a rump Mexico as a trading partner and protectorate state of the USA. Also if France were to invade Mexico, the divided USA would drive the French out of Mexico and this would make problems with the French. Maybe perhaps they need to convince how serious the USA takes its Monroe Doctrine for. Show how no European nation must make moves into the Americas. This would definitely have Mexico spiral into calamity. And of course this would have Mexico to ask the USA for cooperation for law, order, and trade in North America. This would allow the USA to gain all of Mexico by the time the 19th century ended, and only took long after Polk and the us civil war ended to gain all of Mexico. The irony of this greedy president and it took only Canada to push for more land south of the Rio grande.
@andrewgates8158
@andrewgates8158 10 ай бұрын
​@@monsieurcharcutier4490enlarge texas
@monsieurcharcutier4490
@monsieurcharcutier4490 11 ай бұрын
Best alternate history I'll see all day, it would be cool to see what would have happened if Winfield Scott had become the Mexican dictator. Maybe for the next one?
@nickhueper2906
@nickhueper2906 11 ай бұрын
Why would he do that?
@mikeplayz4601
@mikeplayz4601 11 ай бұрын
@@nickhueper2906maybe we can just for fun, change his character, and make him some kind of dictator source character or sm
@monsieurcharcutier4490
@monsieurcharcutier4490 11 ай бұрын
@@nickhueper2906 the same reason any alternate history gets made
@blahblahman54321
@blahblahman54321 11 ай бұрын
Winfield who?
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
He would've ended up like Emperor Maximillian.
@catandfoxworldbuilding
@catandfoxworldbuilding 11 ай бұрын
I like the scenario, but there's simply no way the USA returns anglo settled lands to a newly independent mexico in reality, its unlikely mexico can even muster the ability to gain independence without the americans giving up very prematurely, as american rule would be foreign, but it would be significantly more stable and would gradually bring democratization with it with the americans valuing self determination fairly highly. A more likely outcome is probably something closer to Canada and Quebec, where there's some fighting early on, followed by significant concessions to ensure the minority territory is retained without further conflict, leading to occasional peaceful calls for independence as it is very slowly assimilated.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, and similarly, the US wouldn't just give up Mexico, because that would go against the whole "preserve the Union" part of the war
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
The complete annexation of Mexico would have profoundly altered the demographics of the United States, resulting in a predominantly Roman Catholic, Spanish-speaking, and indigenous population.
@sawyersprott
@sawyersprott 11 ай бұрын
@@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 US population 1846: ~20,000,000 Mexico population 1846: ~8,000,000 The American (successful) fertility rate was higher, far far more immigration (primarily Northern, North-Western Europeans, and Germans). The more native peoples would face the same fate as those in the US in our timeline, and it’s highly unlikely that American settlers would just let the Mestizos be, the Castizos maybe, but they would definitely move the Mestizos elsewhere.
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
However, 2,487,355 individuals in the US population were enslaved persons. Additionally, there were Irish Catholic immigrants sympathetic to the Mexican Catholic population and posed a threat within US Army ranks (San Patricios Battalion) . Winfield Scott and Nicholas Trist were so eager to secure a peace treaty due to the increasing Mexican resistance to the American occupation that they were willing to disregard President Polk's instructions to acquire Baja California, Sonora, Tampico, and the Isthmus of Tehuantepec as spoils of war. They recognized the unattainability of the American occupation of Mexico. Trist was later fired upon learning the terms of the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo. Polk accepted it because of the growing anti-war movement in Congress. Moreover, Congress understood that annexing Mexico would also mean recognizing Mexicans as US citizens, who were predominantly Native American, Spanish-speaking, and Catholics and not enslaved. This idea posed a threat to the political status quo in Washington.@@sawyersprott
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
If there are any parallels, they can be observed in the relationship between the United States and Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico maintains its distinct language, culture, and religion while benefiting from the rights and protections of US citizenship. Ironically, in recent times, there has been a noteworthy shift, with more Americans immigrating into Mexico than Mexicans immigrating into the United States. This trend includes retirees, digital nomads, and a growing number of industrial managers establishing nearshoring assembly plants for US manufacturers.
@barricadedpurifier
@barricadedpurifier 11 ай бұрын
Imagine how crazy the US would be if they had annexed all of the Americas.
@AAAAkaishicÌIÍ636
@AAAAkaishicÌIÍ636 11 ай бұрын
North America is the absolute limit it could have taken, and that’s a stretch
@barricadedpurifier
@barricadedpurifier 11 ай бұрын
@@AAAAkaishicÌIÍ636 Not saying if it *could* as I understand the logistical and bureaucratic strain it would impose as the US would be stretched thin. That’s why I said the words “would” and “imagine”. So I reiterate the question: imagine how crazy powerful it would be if they annexed all the Americas.
@SeasideDetective2
@SeasideDetective2 11 ай бұрын
Given how ungovernable and dysfunctional as our country is in our own timeline, it would surely be disastrous.
@NickNackItaliano777
@NickNackItaliano777 11 ай бұрын
Venezuela would have been much better off for sure instead of being in the mess it's in now because of that narcissistic idiot Maduro and his fellow socialist pals who have wrecked it
@El-VULTURE.LOCO13
@El-VULTURE.LOCO13 10 ай бұрын
@@barricadedpurifier The country is young 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@familygash7500
@familygash7500 11 ай бұрын
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if The First Mexican Empire had survived?
@RussianBlackLeague
@RussianBlackLeague 11 ай бұрын
imagine how much more oil America would have from annexing, America and Mexico produce so much oil but a certain group won't let America dig up the oil we have
@Sadnessiuseless
@Sadnessiuseless 11 ай бұрын
which group
@Sceptonic
@Sceptonic 11 ай бұрын
​@@Sadnessiuselessthe democrats
@Radibu
@Radibu 11 ай бұрын
​@@Sadnessiuseless👃
@SockieTheSockPuppet
@SockieTheSockPuppet 11 ай бұрын
​@jackolanternrblx7679 Take a wild guess. They're the ones who killed the Keystone pipeline, and always ɓ!+çh and moan whenever any attempt to separate from OPEC happens. Which btw, just a few years ago we did exactly that, and became energy self-sufficient - and now we're back to "normal", and it sucks again.
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
Pemex was founded through Cárdenas's decree on June 7, 1938, in response to the perceived exploitation of Mexican oil by American interests. President Cárdenas portrayed the expropriation as a necessary national response to the perceived injustice of foreign companies operating on Mexican soil.
@TheRavenLord1
@TheRavenLord1 11 ай бұрын
An Unified North American Union of Canada, Mexico, and Central America would be interesting
@kuroumialaric
@kuroumialaric 11 ай бұрын
*CUM Intensifies*.
@warreneckels4945
@warreneckels4945 11 ай бұрын
Only to people who like fireworks. Mexican patriotism is several leagues beyond American patriotism and their Civil War (called a Revolution) lasted 15 years and sent a tenth of the country northward or to their graves.
@ripperrex7883
@ripperrex7883 11 ай бұрын
Best timeline.
@xxxBradTxxx
@xxxBradTxxx 10 ай бұрын
North American confederation, except Quebec because French.
@kuroumialaric
@kuroumialaric 10 ай бұрын
@@xxxBradTxxx Bruh.
@tupe444
@tupe444 11 ай бұрын
idk how often other people get into this, but considering how it's generally accepted that the US would have stomped Mexico if they agreed to the Zimmerman telegram (forgot it's name), I'd be curious to see how the post stomping situation would look for Mexico
@kuroumialaric
@kuroumialaric 11 ай бұрын
"It's generally accepted that the US would have stomped Mexico". The people in the Mexican government at that time knew it was a total suicide to accept Zimmerman's telegram, lol.
@Mrcinemazo9nn
@Mrcinemazo9nn 11 ай бұрын
What if Courland kept its colonies?
@James-rm7sr
@James-rm7sr 11 ай бұрын
I could see it where America manages to pacify Mexico. Mexico if it wanted independence again might be a problem in the civil war. As The Lincoln didn't want the Union to break apart and if anything it is possible central Mexico would probably be trying to push for statehood. They two states that might be made from this point would be central a non slave state and north mexico a slave state. Either that or during the war Mexico might offer as a territory to prove itself and attempt to crush the south. So we might see a lot more fighting in the west in this timeline. However, Lincoln giving them all the right to vote would cement the Republicans as the main party for the Mexicans. Also, we would expect Central Mexico to become very very religious.
@kuroumialaric
@kuroumialaric 11 ай бұрын
Slaves that risked their lives to cross the Mexican border to gain their freedom, seeing the place where their live in Northern Mexico become part of a slave state: 🙂
@etorawa9367
@etorawa9367 11 ай бұрын
One of my best friends is of Mexican heritage, he once told me a story of when he was visiting family in Mexico, and during a family gathering some of the older family members were talking about how it would've been a great thing for Mexico and its people had the US annexed the whole country during the Mexican American War.
@kuroumialaric
@kuroumialaric 11 ай бұрын
Let me guess, his family is from northern mexico.
@IDKwhattowrite3
@IDKwhattowrite3 11 ай бұрын
Theyre a bunch of yankees, the usa is the reason why mexico is so fucked up, i look foward when the united states falls
@dragoe7441
@dragoe7441 11 ай бұрын
lol they aren't wrong
@kuroumialaric
@kuroumialaric 11 ай бұрын
@@dragoe7441 They are kinda wrong... Lol.
@ChristopherFodor
@ChristopherFodor 11 ай бұрын
​@@kuroumialaric I mean a quarter of all Mexicans are already here so...
@Jameswebbtelescope7484
@Jameswebbtelescope7484 11 ай бұрын
Can you do a part 2 this was very interesting!
@aio8432
@aio8432 11 ай бұрын
Why would Republicans have a harsher stance on the South? Does Lincoln not get killed in this timeline? Otherwise that does not make much sense. Johnson was a Southern Democrat, if he still succeded Lincoln, and the war was even quicker due to the help of the Mexicans, I see no reason why the U.S. would punish the South more harshly than they did in the OTL.
@jakubpociecha8819
@jakubpociecha8819 11 ай бұрын
Congress was controlled by Republicans at the time, which is why Johnson vetoed so many bills
@redjirachi1
@redjirachi1 11 ай бұрын
James K Polk was already an underrated president, but this is a certified 'Murican banger
@GlassJoe1337
@GlassJoe1337 11 ай бұрын
With the addition of Mexico I can see the short term agreement of adding slave states and free states continuing for the short term. Having a few extra years at least only could help the North and West to industrialize more. The US could simply leave Mexico into open rebellion tell after the war. Most close territory would have been Southern territory. It would force the Confederate government to send forces out west to fight Mexico. A more industrialized North and West plus being forced to send troops out west only weakens the Confederate forces. The US government just makes a deal with the rebels after the war. The Northern Mexican states stay with the US and Mexico gets the Yucatan back. It would be interesting to see how the future would look especially during ww1 and on.
@zephodb
@zephodb 11 ай бұрын
The Valley-System of Mexico, forced on them by Geography... would make ruling it nearly impossible, just like Mexico is suffering from even today.
@SkinnySticks
@SkinnySticks 6 күн бұрын
What if All the Americas become one country that includes the islands.
@moic9704
@moic9704 10 ай бұрын
1:26 The thing about Santa Anna being president 11 times is a misconception that needs some clarification. Santa Anna was elected president 3 times and was dictator once. The "eleven times" thing comes from the fact that Santa Anna was very Lazy so he frequently asked permissions to be absent. This example will explain this clearly: --Santa Anna was elected for the period 1833-1837 however he wasn't in Mexico City at the time so his vicepresident Valentin Gomez was the acting president for 90 days. --Santa Anna arrives and works for two weeks and then requests permission to be absent due to "poor health" Valentin Gomez replaces him during two weeks. --Santa Anna returns, he works for two weeks and again requests a second permission of absence due to "poor health", Gomez works for 4 months. --Santa Anna returns, he works for 90 days and then he leaves for the third time, Gomez works another 5 months. --Santa Anna returns and finally works for 9 months but he leaves again to lead the army against the Texan Revolution Santa Anna was also interim/provisional president three times. Being Interim president was not that strange, Nicolas Bravo was interim president three times and Valentin Gomez was interim president five times. In fact, if you sum the time Santa Anna was actually in the office you get something like 5 years. that is less than two presidential terms at the time.
@omargerardolopez3294
@omargerardolopez3294 11 ай бұрын
Please do a video on Antonio López de Santa Anna, he was quite a character
@brothers_of_nod
@brothers_of_nod 11 ай бұрын
A well done video.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 11 ай бұрын
Howdy josh! Love your content!😊😊😊❤❤❤
@thegamecock22
@thegamecock22 11 ай бұрын
I have an idea: what if the US never expanded past the Mississippi River and sticked with their original borders that Britain gave them after the revolution?
@thorpeaaron1110
@thorpeaaron1110 11 ай бұрын
You should do a scenario where New England secedes from the Union during the War of 1812.
@dominicadrean2160
@dominicadrean2160 11 ай бұрын
What if everything want horrible for France
@Hispano.Productions
@Hispano.Productions 11 ай бұрын
Words that will forever be engraved in my brain: Howdy Folks! It’s me Josh 😎!
@The_Lord197
@The_Lord197 11 ай бұрын
Love your videos, Josh ❤
@chill-ified2913
@chill-ified2913 11 ай бұрын
Could you make a full video on Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna?
@NonyaBusiness-is3fc
@NonyaBusiness-is3fc 11 ай бұрын
The US would have been more like Mexico in many ways. Mexican culture would have been the dominant culture
@rogeliovaldez6594
@rogeliovaldez6594 11 ай бұрын
I really don't think the south at the time had the population to affect the demographics or rather politics of north mexico in such a shorth time period i also feel like slave revolts wouldve been more common
@TommyTomTompkins
@TommyTomTompkins 5 ай бұрын
I agree 💯
@thomasdevine867
@thomasdevine867 11 ай бұрын
Much of Northern Mexico thought Mexico City was a bigger threat to them than Washington DC. Core Mexico couldn't have been brought into the USA. But Northern Mexico wanted to try.
@ImTitan16
@ImTitan16 11 ай бұрын
What if aaron burr succeeded in making his own country?
@revinhatol
@revinhatol 11 ай бұрын
I would rather have the US of A annex Juarez and add it to NM. Plus, I would love to see Baja California cede a bit of land to (Alta) California and make it its newest county.
@JTL1776
@JTL1776 11 ай бұрын
what if america purchased Baja and Yucatan peninsula's from Mexico. Purchased Greenland from Denmark. And actually settles the colonies it did have in the Carribean and Liberian
@JTL1776
@JTL1776 11 ай бұрын
Not all of North america. But a realistic portions and actually settles and industrializes them.
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
Baja California actively resisted the American military occupation for 18 months. It's the reason why Nicholas Trist didn't press on including it as a spoils of war in the Treaty.
@ElClaudioBasado
@ElClaudioBasado 11 ай бұрын
Well if this happens, americans will be called Gringx Xd
@NonyaBusiness-is3fc
@NonyaBusiness-is3fc 11 ай бұрын
It sounds all good and all on paper until the conversation switches to demographics, ethnicities, and culture.
@Airborne675
@Airborne675 11 ай бұрын
What if The Netherlands lose 80 years War.
@randomguy6152
@randomguy6152 11 ай бұрын
what if crassus conquered persia and the civil war went 3 ways
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585
@mr.luisanthonydivito3585 11 ай бұрын
During the Mexican-American War, a robust armed resistance against the American occupation in Baja California prevailed. The resistance found leadership among remnants of the Mexican army, Dominican priests, and Yaqui Indians. The 18-month insurgency against the American occupation strained the US Navy, leading to the constant redeployment of vessels away from the blockade of Pacific Ports. This resistance also likely influenced U.S. Envoy Nicholas Trist to disregard President Polk's request to annex Baja California, ultimately shaping the border towards the Pacific.
@BrianKarolina-ip5mz
@BrianKarolina-ip5mz 11 ай бұрын
What if scenario for Mongolia but as baron ungern
@SeasideDetective2
@SeasideDetective2 11 ай бұрын
No Hollywood? No Cape Canaveral? No Dallas Cowboys? Nowhere to test the atomic bomb? Yes, U.S. history WOULD have been different!
@scytheio1879
@scytheio1879 11 ай бұрын
We don't annex. If they ever want to join they are welcome. Canada too.
@lisaroberts8556
@lisaroberts8556 6 ай бұрын
They will have to become Americans. And adopt a US 🇺🇸from of Government. It could work if they understood our type of Government?
@hotchocolateconnoisseur
@hotchocolateconnoisseur 11 ай бұрын
Can we get a scenario in which Frussia rebels against Kaiser Wilhelm’s terrorist regime with support from the Russian Empire and Khanate of Von Sternburg?
@BartoszLimanowski
@BartoszLimanowski 11 ай бұрын
🤣
@joshualawrence7785
@joshualawrence7785 7 ай бұрын
I wanna see an alternate history JKF surviving or Lincoln surviving.
@lerneanlion
@lerneanlion 11 ай бұрын
Somehow, this whole scenario ultimately worked out so well for Mexico in the long run. Yeah, they were under the foreign occupation for a decade. But when the American Civil War broke out, everything went Mexico's way. And it kept only getting better when the another civil war broke out within the U.S because it allowed Mexico to reclaimed the territories it lost back during the Mexican-American War.
@AllAboutMMA
@AllAboutMMA 11 ай бұрын
the culture wouldnt have change much , considering mexican culture is already part of american culture because there are already many mexicans living here
@Nahletmecookbro
@Nahletmecookbro 11 ай бұрын
What if during berlin Congress June - 13 July 1878 they decide to use balkan border in 1913 after treaty of london signed
@joshuayang0331
@joshuayang0331 11 ай бұрын
what if scott became dictator of mexico?
@Cesar-q8p
@Cesar-q8p 5 ай бұрын
That will never happen again we will never allow that
@Mrtroop-bd3xu
@Mrtroop-bd3xu 11 ай бұрын
0:24 did in my hoi4 world in 1939 as America but Mexico was much more peaceful
@Norg1
@Norg1 10 ай бұрын
Should of took everything north of Guadalajara it would make the border hundreds of times smaller and arozina would have a seaport 😅
@dominicadrean2160
@dominicadrean2160 11 ай бұрын
That would affect a lot of American elections and future politics😅 though I have to say if Trump became president in this timeline then he can actually go to war against the cartels without the people in government getting in his way
@bigz4302
@bigz4302 11 ай бұрын
The cartels wouldn't be as powerful so they'd be a non issue in this timeline, atleast in terms of the chaos they generate.
@mappingshaman5280
@mappingshaman5280 11 ай бұрын
The cartels in this timeline would stay in Colombia and wouldn't grow in Mexico.
@bigz4302
@bigz4302 11 ай бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280 they probably would, but they'd be similar to the Italians
@mappingshaman5280
@mappingshaman5280 11 ай бұрын
@bigz4302 the cartels grew in Mexico because Mexico is an easy jumping off point for flying cocaine into America. If Mexico was part of america this wouldn't be the case. Either the cartels would stay strong in Colombia or they'd grow in strength in Cuba.
@SockieTheSockPuppet
@SockieTheSockPuppet 11 ай бұрын
Here's an idea, what if Robert the Bruce lost the succession war for the Scottish throne?
@vicgamex6031
@vicgamex6031 4 ай бұрын
ORA
@billstapleton1084
@billstapleton1084 4 ай бұрын
Kamala, did you know giving to the Biden/Harris ticket is a waste of money?
@unnaturalselection8330
@unnaturalselection8330 10 ай бұрын
More likely the Mexicans would have been put on reservations to starve, just like the indians. Our ancestors weren't afraid to break eggs when making omelets.
@MAGNAVOX117
@MAGNAVOX117 11 ай бұрын
8:05 I think that Mexico would accept the alliance with the United States since the president of Mexico in those years Benito Juárez had a great friendship with Abraham Lincoln (there is even a statue of Benito Juárez in Washington DC), in addition Benito Juárez was indigenous, which makes more sense for him to rebel against the Confederates 8:46 I think that nationalist dictator would be Victoriano Huerta because he is a politician, military man and dictator of Mexican history who in our real history had planned to accept the Zimmerman plan and his own plan to attack Texas. 10:00 If Mexico had had a war with the U.S., it would have had to be after the Agadir crisis and not with the assassination of Franzisco Fernando (in a different WW!) because Huerta died in 1916 and the Agadir crisis would have given him enough time in the war (1911-1916) For those who think that the revolution would have stopped Huerta, I would think not, because the beginning of the revolution was an interview between the president and an American journalist, and with the anti-American sentiment of this different Mexico, I don't think he would have accepted this interview, preventing Francisco I Madero from starting the revolution, and if he still did, he would imprison him just like in real life, only now without freedom. Viva Mexico!
@monsieurcharcutier4490
@monsieurcharcutier4490 11 ай бұрын
I don't think that's going to work out
@m.j.vazquez4720
@m.j.vazquez4720 11 ай бұрын
@@monsieurcharcutier4490 something similar seemed to work for 3rd century cavemen in afghanistan lol
@Radibu
@Radibu 11 ай бұрын
What if the Duchy of Bavaria never lost its southern Territories of Austria & Tyrol?
@PaperCashsir
@PaperCashsir 11 ай бұрын
3:44 could you make that a video
@vicgamex6031
@vicgamex6031 4 ай бұрын
🇲🇽
@Alex-yy5wo
@Alex-yy5wo 11 ай бұрын
This video has the exact same run time as the last one lol
@dominicadrean2160
@dominicadrean2160 11 ай бұрын
What if the Mongol invasions and Empire happened earlier in this scenario this could happen in many points in history to the earliest during the Persian Empire till the latest the 8th or 9th century around the Viking age That would be interesting because the Mongols meeting the Vikings I think the Vikings would join them and help them in some other conquest and expansion maybe even some Mongols would join them to their invasion of Britain😅 But what do you think would happen if the Mongols invasion happened earlier and how that would affect certain parts of world history
@SeasideDetective2
@SeasideDetective2 11 ай бұрын
It's been argued that the Mongols almost did conquer all or at least most of Europe, but they failed because their khan (king) died and the entire Mongol army had to return home to attend his funeral (yes, really). If the khan had just managed to live a little longer, Europe might well have become a Buddhist or (more likely) an Islamic continent rather than a Christian one.
@uriyalissack8299
@uriyalissack8299 11 ай бұрын
first!
@nonservitium
@nonservitium 10 ай бұрын
re-anexation?
@Gabo_Koopa
@Gabo_Koopa 10 ай бұрын
The borders of Texas are incorrect it was way smaller this is a Mexican speaking
@MaWa-pw6fg
@MaWa-pw6fg Ай бұрын
ya thebusa would t give back borthern mexico to get mexico to help them against the csa. they would let lower mexico be free to get them to help and that would be it.
@JK-gx7kd
@JK-gx7kd 2 ай бұрын
If? It's going to happen. Manifest destiny will be fulfilled.
@nl396
@nl396 11 ай бұрын
What about France and Maximilian? How would they fit in all this?
@JoshSullivanHistory
@JoshSullivanHistory 11 ай бұрын
Maximillian assumed the throne because of Conservative pushes for a monarchy, which Napoleon III saw as an opportunity to gain influence in Latin America. It's not impossible that Napoleon III might try to prop up Maximillian again after Mexico gains independence, but I doubt it due to the nationalist sentiments in Mexico, probably not wanting a foreign ruler after having been under foreign occupation.
@theromanorder
@theromanorder 11 ай бұрын
Please do a video on what if titkourau didn't lose his suport in the new Zealand land wars (happy to help with this) and if you do this can you please learn the pronounceation, at least learn the word māori
@pif4347
@pif4347 7 ай бұрын
There are no radical republicans
@Carlos-ji4bd
@Carlos-ji4bd 3 ай бұрын
I find it very weird that the Confederate government asked Mexico for help but since Mexico was against slavery they didn't join to help the southern states...
@emrysgeibhendach7572
@emrysgeibhendach7572 11 ай бұрын
i kinda wonder about what alot of mexicans think of this timeline they would probably enjoy less crime a Higher standard of living and more stability but at the same time their beloved nation would be more of a local identity apert of a much larger empire kinda like the deep south or texas rather then a independent society at the same mexico would likely have a history of being treated like second class citizans for some time for being mix raced catholics at least until America mellows out a bit then Mexicans would probably be seen as a core part of America's cultural identity
@m.j.vazquez4720
@m.j.vazquez4720 11 ай бұрын
you really underestimate americas history with racism
@emrysgeibhendach7572
@emrysgeibhendach7572 11 ай бұрын
@@m.j.vazquez4720 how so, i stated that America would treat them as second class citizans which was the furthest extant of America's racism against hispanics and meso Americans.
@m.j.vazquez4720
@m.j.vazquez4720 11 ай бұрын
@@emrysgeibhendach7572 "enjoy less crime a Higher standard of living and more stability"
@emrysgeibhendach7572
@emrysgeibhendach7572 11 ай бұрын
@@m.j.vazquez4720 yeah in in the same way that post 1860s America after the end of the slave trade despite that fact that they suffered horribly thanks to systematic racism and hate groups like the kkk, in America many black American enjoyed a better safer more stable standered of living then they would have in africa where tribal wars usually meant the total extermination of the losing tribe just look at the dehomey conquests that in a brief period of time killed five times more poeple then the entire north American slave trade its the same case for mexico where idk if you know this but pre 1950s mexico wasn't a very pleasent place Mexico had endured brutal revolutions some of which killed over a million most of whom civilains well mexico dealt with many brutal despots such as santa anna or Garcia who where responsible for countless human rights violation aswell violance starvation corruption and opression where a fact of life at the same time for a large part of mexican history there goverment was never stable enough to deal or strong enough to rain in the bandits and rebels that raped and pilleged the countryside and aswell the the war with the cartels likely wouldn't be a major problem it is today either so yeah mexicans likely would have enjoyed a higher standered of living but at the same time they also most likely would have a vastly different culture and identity then today
@m.j.vazquez4720
@m.j.vazquez4720 11 ай бұрын
@@emrysgeibhendach75721-pfff r u comparing this to africans slaves and africa ? 2- and ? the us had a brutal civil war that killed 620,000 mafias and corrupt gov oppressed people the gov forced people to destroy crops during the great depression treaties and promises were broken with minorities for decades 3- i dont know if you know this but america wasnt a great place for tejanos californios and hispanos
@sagittariusa7662
@sagittariusa7662 10 ай бұрын
6:14 But it ultimately would be less bad than the Civil War, which most likely would be avoided as the South had much more territory in the South that was more suitable for slavery than the territories in the West which were not. It also help push the Whigs or Republicans to favor conquering Canada as more Northern Land would help balance against the Pro-Slavery South. As technology continued to advance, the favorability of slavery would died down and eventually all slave states would become conditionally emancipated until slavery was such a cost to maintain it was outright stamped out. This would happen by the time of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, so slavery would had been delayed longer to finally end, but there would no Jim Crow, albeit prejudice and discrimination in the free states towards blacks would still exist and persist all the same until 1960s. "But Core Spain would resist." LOL! Until their taxes increase to the point that Mexicans by large convert to Protestantism to decrease there taxes or the class divided between the White upper Class and the Black and Native Lower Classes end up allowing slavery to exist but other another name. Thus making it pointless to resist or even oppose.
@ChariTheAlternate
@ChariTheAlternate 11 ай бұрын
W
@benniejacobmiera1551
@benniejacobmiera1551 6 ай бұрын
YOU WOULD BE STUPID TO DO THAT..
@ratisgood4448
@ratisgood4448 11 ай бұрын
Yucatán is rightful crimean land
@puffinexpress2944
@puffinexpress2944 6 ай бұрын
No doubt where this created stands politically
@barricadedpurifier
@barricadedpurifier 11 ай бұрын
1:55 it wasn’t largely unpopulated as the Tejanos had lived there, as well as the indigenous tribes in that region, descendants of Spanish and Pueblo exiles, and settlers from both the US and Mexico who went into those lands long before the Mexican gov’t decided to invite and incentivize people into settling into that territory in a bid to further their imperial goals. There were thousands of people living there already, all with mixed allegiances and agendas. The reason why Mexico did what they did was to expand further to establish borders before the US could get to it. It was a strategic and deliberate move.
@m.j.vazquez4720
@m.j.vazquez4720 11 ай бұрын
dont forget the californios and hispanos
@DonPedroman
@DonPedroman 11 ай бұрын
If the US had annexed Mexico, it will be majority Spanish-speaking by today, what we have missed
@JLAvey
@JLAvey 11 ай бұрын
I don't see how. At the time, most Mexicans lived in the Valley of Mexico. Whatever State it became, it would probably be like Quebec. The rest of Mexico would be open to settlement and quite a few of them would be Southern planters and I don't see them speaking anything but English. After they go away, immigrants from all over would settle the better parts and just like elsewhere, they will eventually assimilate.
@HistoricalFanatics
@HistoricalFanatics 11 ай бұрын
🇺🇸💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
@maxwalker1159
@maxwalker1159 11 ай бұрын
!
@USRM1810
@USRM1810 11 ай бұрын
So glad they didn’t annex us
@lisaroberts8556
@lisaroberts8556 6 ай бұрын
No one can Annex the USA 🇺🇸 Just way too strong! 💪🏼
@USRM1810
@USRM1810 6 ай бұрын
@@lisaroberts8556 I’m talking about Mexico. Since the imperialist yanks wanted too.
@lile4176
@lile4176 24 күн бұрын
​​@@lisaroberts8556not even close to strong America didn't even fight against a actual army in Mexico and when they did they bearly made it out.. only times they so called conquered them was when they was fighting poor poblanos with no training or resources whatsoever that's why we haven't won a war since WW2 and even then it was a team effort Americans literally wouldnt have won in the Pacific theater without mexicos Air Force at the time.😂
@lisaroberts8556
@lisaroberts8556 24 күн бұрын
@@lile4176 LOL Yea that Amazing Mexican Air Force was the key to America’s victory in the Pacific. But the USA is weak right? Even the USA in its current weakened condition. Is more than a match for any military. China and Russia would love to topple the USA Right now with its porous borders and DEI Navy. And yet they still dare not attack? The consequences are deadly 💀 💀 💀 Mexican Air Force? 😂💦💦💦💦
@lisaroberts8556
@lisaroberts8556 24 күн бұрын
@@lile4176 LOL (Let me try again because You Tube is crap). Yea, Am sure the Mexican Air Force was America’s key to victory in the Pacific. LOOOOL Even a weakened USA is more than a match for any country. Look at the current state of affairs. The US with a porous Southern Border ineffective leadership in D.C Russia and China would jump on such an opportunity. But they dare not….. The Consequences are far too deadly 💀💀💀💀 You said🤡 “Mexican Air Force? 😂💦💦💦
@AsU-yz9lo
@AsU-yz9lo 11 ай бұрын
Anglo american propaganda
@vicgamex6031
@vicgamex6031 4 ай бұрын
Å
@NathanHearn-ms7vv
@NathanHearn-ms7vv 10 ай бұрын
The Mexican government, particularly after the Mexican-American war barely controlled anything outside of Mexico City. They were deeply divided politically between conservatives and reformists and particularly along class lines. This is what made it so easy for the French to take over Mexico. It is true that Mexico had banned slavery but this obscures the reality in Mexico, which is that indentured servitude to large land owners or Caudillos, little different than slavery was very common and widespread. It’s highly unlikely that Mexican nationalism would have found much purchase in Mexico, much less some sort of reconquista, even if/when the civil war came. Civil War in the US was inevitable, and as the southern states went to war over their inability to expand slavery into new territories, Mexico would have been the nexus of the war’s origin, much the way Kansas was. The U.S. would have inherited all of Mexico’s problems including it’s complete lack of infrastructure, desperate poverty and sharp regional divisions - and it’s hard to say if Mexican nationalism and an independence movement didn’t become a force later on, but Mexico’s economy would have been vastly better and presumably they’d have had better, more responsive leadership and maybe avoided a half century of dictatorship and stagnation followed by a ten year civil war that killed millions. “All Mexico” was simply never going to happen because of U.S. politics and anxiety more than Mexican resistance. Regardless, great and fun video!
@lile4176
@lile4176 24 күн бұрын
America literally bearly won that war and it didn't even fight a actual army it fought poor poblanos and a majority of military cadets with zero battle experience y'all like skipping the part where Mexico was a young growing nation that'd had no real military after its previous wars and invasions it fought of. Considering how the latest wars have went for America in not surprised..
@celdur4635
@celdur4635 11 ай бұрын
USA "dominated"? they had similar casualties and many battles were won by the skin of their teeth.
@SARodriguez-kw7wl
@SARodriguez-kw7wl 11 ай бұрын
In your dreams Yankee 😅
@JoshSullivanHistory
@JoshSullivanHistory 11 ай бұрын
I'm a VIRGINIAN, I ain't no Yankee!
@BagoasAnushParsaRad
@BagoasAnushParsaRad 11 ай бұрын
@@JoshSullivanHistory Hola Josh, qué pasaría si estallara una guerra de invasión de U.S a México actualmente?. Cada vez está tensa la situación geopolítica entre los políticos estadounidenses de considerar a los cartales mexicanos como grupos terroristas como los de oriente medio, si llegase a pasar, y de forma hipotética nadie ayuda México, ni China, ni Rusia, ni latinoamerica, con una población débil de México, sin casi armas que les hafa frente a U.S, devastada, derrotada luego de la invasión de U.S, U.S anexa a todo México, cómo se asimilaría al extinto México a U.S?. Use google translate.
@billstapleton1084
@billstapleton1084 4 ай бұрын
America conquered Mexico during the Mexican American war. It was so bad that America gave it back. Even Mexicans do not like Mexico, that is why so many try and entered the US, even illegally.
@lile4176
@lile4176 24 күн бұрын
America fought thousands of poor poblanos they didn't even fight a army sorry to burst your bubbles but if Mexico's army would've been what it was before the Spanish war America would've got clapped America won because they took advantage of Mexico's situation has nothing to do with America being this bad ass nation of fighters.. the battle of the Alamo was one by Mexican anglos that wanted there own Republic and own slavery without responding to the Mexican central government 😂😂
@sanmartinovallevictorjuven5187
@sanmartinovallevictorjuven5187 11 ай бұрын
Thank god this never happened.
@cvmpro1497
@cvmpro1497 11 ай бұрын
Please stop making content
@lionandwolfboy8714
@lionandwolfboy8714 11 ай бұрын
Why?
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