What if the US of Austria Succeeded? | Alternate History

In today's alternate history scenario we ask what if Franz Ferdinand survived his assassination in Sarajevo and the United States of Greater Austria plan was put into motion in Austria-Hungary just prior to the outbreak of an alternate World War 1? Would the First World War still play out the same way? Would Austria be able to survive the turmoil? Who will come out on top?
Credit to @Caito on the US of Z Discord for the photoshopped image of Franz Ferdinand in the thumbnail!
Featuring ‪@MonsieurDean‬ filling in for Jakub Pedersen
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[@DeanMonsieur]

Thanks to Mr. Z for stepping in to do the narration while I lost my voice!

[@crusader2112]

Great work 👍 Feel better man.

[@One.More.Time-]

Praying you get better mate

[@thegoodfolk]

@DeanMonsieur definitely a throw back but I would rather you narrate. Get well soon 🙏

[@micahistory]

good luck bro

[@JTL1776]

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[@MonsieurDean]

He's literally me.

[@aaronfire359]

That must mean he’s super cool! 😎

[@MonsieurDean]

@@aaronfire359 😎 Thanks bro

[@JTL1776]

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[@waylonsalt5071]

Fr

[@mihailgottwin]

Fr,but it would be more convincing if U coul say his name right .

[@lottenetzel8751]

It's refreshing to hear Mr. Z's voice in an alt history video.

[@fduranthesee]

i know, right?

[@MonsieurDean]

Oh cool.

[@JTL1776]

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[@micahistory]

it's weird that there are so many WW1 althists but I have never seen one where Franz Ferdinand doesn't get shot so the war doesn't happen the same way. Nice scenario!

[@White_Recluse]

United States of Austria is one of my favorite Alt Hist concepts

[@anlydaly5726]

Now I'm just picturing the pointing Spider-man meme with the two U.S.A's. The United States of America and the United States of Austria respectedly.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

The Olympics would be a hoot... Americans: Yoo! Ess! Ayyy! Austrians: Ooo! Ess! Ahhh! Mexicans: Eh! Ooo! Eme! Soviets: Es! Es! Es! Peh! Everyone: Give it a rest, Russkis, we're just not feelin' it.

[@anlydaly5726]

​@@hoi-polloi1863Perfect, just perfect ☺️👌

[@clarkstrange2142]

not to ruin the joke, but wouldn't it just be the USGA?

[@selena_games9508]

@clarkstrange2142 I think it should be usd for the Danube river

[@youthoughtaboutit6946]

One big problem with Austria-Hungary was that it was the worst of both worlds. For the most part it was more like a duel protectorate than a duel empire due to both having a united foreign policy and a shared military (though each half tended to prefer to focus on its own militaries and only begrudgingly supported the shared one) and such, but in most ways internally completely seperate countries (hell, the citizen of one half was legally considered a foreigner in the other, and could not travel between them without permission, for example). An actual federal model like in Germany, Australia, or the US would have been a *much* better mix of autonomy and central authority in appropriate and coherent ways instead would have certainly helped in keeping the empire alive over an Austria-Hungary style “crowns” situation.

[@nfrcomputers]

I agree. I don't think this would have lasted past the 1920s.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

MR Z NARRATION! AWESOME! Loving the video❤❤❤❤❤

[@DeanMonsieur]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@emirkokaj1999]

@@DeanMonsieur Can you please make a video about greater albania. After the ottoman loses the balkan peninsula the great powers support a greater albania please

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

Worst timeline: WW3 Weirdest timeline: Ours Best timeline:

[@noldo3837]

@@ASlickNamedPimpback It's upon us to make it, to work on it. Not hoping some gods or authoritarian leaders would do it. That's why I'm leftist - I believe change is possible, and I believe working together is better than each on his own.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content guys! Thanks For this! Always happy to see a Habsburg video🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@aaronfire359]

Same!

[@aaronfire359]

The Russo-French Alliance was not an alliance of uniform aims however. The French sought Russia as a counter to Germany of course, but Russo-German relations were not nearly as cold visa vis each other as those of the French and Germans. The Russians desired a French alliance as a counter balance to Great Britain, not Germany, as Britain was Russias principal colonial and imperial rival in the far east and Central Asia. So the calculations of alliances between these two powers are very different. And without a Slavic start to the war, it is likely that Russia doesn’t get involved at all. The French would be rightly irritated at this, seeing Russian neutrality as a betrayal, but the French cannot afford to be so vainglorious because they cannot stand against Germany alone.

[@ppalchinsky8301]

@@aaronfire359 Great points! The F-R alliance served divergent purposes for two polar-opposite governments. Unfortunately, rather than exploit the obvious weaknesses, German leaders allowed their worst fears to play into the strengths of the F-R alliance. Ineptitude reigned greater among the leaders of G and AH, than their peers in F and R. If a younger protege of v Bismarck had been around, then a scenario to what you mentioned would’ve likely taken place, not the horrors that our world actually experienced.

[@knightlyscholar2745]

Like this video. Would love to see a sequel/similar scenario of the empire surviving WW1.

[@kingxavior54]

I would love to see a part 2 to this scenario, not only for Monsieur Z to return to alternate history, but to see if the Great Depression is as great or if it exists at all. Maybe Fascist France? No ruined Germany for a fascist to take over could lead to them going to France. OR commie France. Russia didnt fall, nor dod germany entertain the thought, so maybe the commies go west instead of east.

[@achaeanmapping4408]

Seeing your work on state reform in the US, it explains you've been fascinated by the idea of a US of Austria for so long

[@hoi-polloi1863]

I want to see the Olympics in this scenario... how many separate teams is Austria-Hungary going to send? One? Three? Ten? More to the point though, if AH is going to survive, they *are* going to need to build some kind of national identity, some reason for the country to stick together besides "it's worked so far".

[@jackfunnysmart3298]

Monsieur Z why did you stop alternate history you have a great voice for this!

[@user-yz5vl2sz6n]

A few things: 1. Plan XVII would take place from around 14 August on the common border, and then from 18 August on the Belgian Border, Germany will not be able to concentrate their forces from East to West so quickly. 2. Belgiums entire defensive plan hinges on their redoubt at Antwerp, where they expect to receive reinforcements by sea, while the fort lines delay the invasion. However, her geography is such that her defence is best suited against a German invasion, not a French invasion, and the expected guarantor at sea is Britain, not Germany, so if Belgium is attacked by France, and Britain were to support France, Belgium would go along with the French and British, passively at least. The British know this. The Belgians know this. 3. The Treaty of London requires Belgium to notify all signatories of their protest for the treaty to be valid. It did not alert Austria in our world, it may not do so here. 4. The attack on the common border is meant to suck in German reserves, not make an actual breakthrough with the French 1st and 2nd Armies. Joffre knew an attack across the common border alone would not work, so it was just the set up for the move in the Ardennes. 4a. ☝️🤓 5. The attack from the Ardennes is aimed along the Southern part of the forest across Luxembourg, which while advantageous to Germany, is extremely close to the Sarre and Rhine. A German defence here, with point 4 in mind, may not successfully stop the French from reaching these objectives. That's where part of Germany's most important industries are. 6. Under Aufmarsch II Ost, Germany would keep about 40% of their forces, about 3 armies and some landwehr, to defend against 5 French Armies. That'd probably be 2 on the common border, and 1 on the Belgian Border, leaving only 1 German Army against 3 French Armies coming in South of the Ardennes, with their reserves moving towards the border.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

I am surprised you didn't expand belgium. germany planned to expand belgium into france OTL, this would likely be even more likely in a scenario where belgium is effectively a german ally against french invasion.

[@aaronfire359]

YESSS!!! The Video I’ve Been Waiting For! ❤️❤️❤️

[@Tomahawk_Gaming_1942]

‪@MonsieurDean has returned to Alt history

[@DeanMonsieur]

...for one video🥲

[@NCR-National-Reclamation-Gov]

​@@DeanMonsieurnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@danielbruceagra9022]

@@DeanMonsieur we need more scar nicholas, we need it

[@TheWatcher-z2y]

​@@danielbruceagra9022 we need a remaster!

[@taffingtonboathouse5754]

​@@danielbruceagra9022adolf has some unfinished business

[@joshbenedetti1292]

it's not the "Kreigsmarine" but the Kaiserliche Marine.(187?-1918)

[@kop1807]

What if austria reformed the HRE

[@ethanfranzen8684]

Uh, so, Britain would have joined France at the beginning, because they had already decided.

[@mathieuleader8601]

neat detailed flags in the thumbnail

[@glavatazelva]

you say that Serbia accepted almost all the conditions that the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy demanded except for one or two minor ones! the one condition that the Serbs refused was to allow an Austro-Hungarian investigation into who was guilty of organizing the assassination. of course, the Serbs were smart enough to not allow that little thing because Austria-Hungary would have collected evidence of the Serbian government's involvement in terrorism and would have been a justified reason for declaring war.

[@glavatazelva]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWGTmXyhnpiKgtksi=pAbpotRBZ9suh1bD on that topic!

[@michaelraith9481]

Not a what if. A what should have. And by the power of democracy, what can be. But, never in this timeline :(

[@alfrancisbuada2591]

I would live here

[@nord_anon4406]

Bro, it's midnight.

[@TheWatcher-z2y]

I missed him doing this!

[@planetarystargazer]

What If Hawaii was a British 🇬🇧 colony and the Hawaiian Islands were never annexed by the US/USA 🇺🇸

[@greenoversight8021]

This wouldnt really change too much

[@darkhorse13golfgaming]

Gross....I like it 😐

[@fduranthesee]

ew no

[@Shark_boiiiii]

Yes

[@Music-bz7ux]

@@greenoversight8021 I mean it would change WW2 and how America joined.

[@krystalcz9251]

Actually I think that atleast in Czechia it would work-and with Czechia secured the Austrian Federation would have the industrial might and weapon factories secured and would only need to secure the food supply of the Federation-Hungary-that would be easy with sacrificing today's land of Slovakia to satisfy Hungarian nationalists-with this you have the agriculture, weapon factories/industry and the manpower+stability to endure.

[@richardaubrecht2822]

Around 1914 it might be too little too late. But in 1880s, 1890s, this would be a dream come true.

[@scottpankonin1068]

The scenario is good and well thought out. The US of Austria would have shored up AH, but Hungary would have been resentful and probably would have been exploited by teh Entante. A hold-first on the west is plausable in a scenario centred on Poland, but only barely. The German General Staff was fixated on beating France first in any war with France and Russia. And that meant Schleiffen, and Belgium, and the British, and the WWI of our timeline...

[@HypnoticChronic1]

I don't know about that "spark" kicking off this WWI, as a Pole I will say that we fundamentally despised all 3 partitioning powers, but the Poles in the German and Austrian regions while treated no better than at best second class citizens however, Poles in the Russian region were treated terribly and were little better than slaves to the Russians, which is why so many revolts started there in the first place. Suffice to say I highly doubt any Pole would see Russia as their best chance for a be it semi or fully independent Poland, thus I surmise there would be only two camps of Poles one for full independence and the other whom would likely have opted for Germany's offer of a client kingdom, given that in this timeline Austria already demonstrated with federalization willingness to give Poles some autonomy and Germany could leverage that as a example of them holding up their end of the bargain and Russia would no such bargaining chip, especially given how they ran their empire to begin with. Additionally I don't think France would have gone it alone in the west and would have likely tried to pull Italy if the UK refused to engage, primarily similar to how Italy got pulled in within our own timeline, by dangling South Tyrol and the Dalmatian coast as rewards. With the French using the Italians to apply pressure to Austria in the west while the Russians and Romanians applied pressure from the east and the French and Russians could focus more on the greater threat of Germany. Also given that Germany was initially attempting to establish good relations with the UK in our own timeline, so they would not have to engage the Royal Navy, I think in this case Germany would succeed in that endeavor, given the French invaded Belgium and the UK would respond by blockading the French in the English Channel, thus allowing the Germans to focus their naval power on Russia.

[@tefky7964]

We Czechs had higher hopes for Russians "saving us" (mostly because we didn´t ever get under their control, so we didn´t know what it is like and power of Russian propaganda about pan-slavism), but one of our main writers of 19th century went to Russia right during our "national revival" when pan-slavism was strongest and he was shocked by life there. For example family with which he lived treated their servants almost like slaves (well, by that time they were still just a little bit more than slaves) and their minorities didn´t have it much better. Basically after that he wrote that life under Germans is much better and Russia sucks.

[@HypnoticChronic1]

@@tefky7964 I have heard many South Slavs held a similar view to that as well, especially when it came to Pan-Slavism but the reality of Russia came as a real nasty surprise to those who championed the idea.

[@tefky7964]

@@HypnoticChronic1 I think that during that time romanticism was still pretty important in Austria-Hungary and today we kind of ignore its influence on all levels of society. By that time we as a nation were finally recognizing slow death of our language and culture, so I guess that romantic view on our slavic brothers comming to our help and setting us all free wasn´t that unexpected. But by that time Czechia was probably the most industrialized part of Austrian empire, where many new ideas and technologies were being discussed, I honestly can´t imagine what mentioned author felt when he left Moscow (about which he wrote very positively btw) and moved to the Russian countryside where it wasn´t much different than during medieval times...

[@HypnoticChronic1]

@@tefky7964 I can say as Poles we recognized the deliberate attempted eradication of our language and culture at the time of the partitions, which we thankfully fought tooth and nail to keep often at great cost, but I will say due to those attempts some of our best cultural works came out of it in order to keep the culture alive, one of my favorites being the Trilogy by Henryk Sienkiewicz, would highly recommend those novels if you're a avid reader. I think due to Poland's unique position compared to other Slavs being both under Slavic and German domination, we were under no illusion of that romanticized savior brother Slav coming to rescue us and if we wanted any sort of saving we were gonna have to do it ourselves, hence why there was so many uprisings from virtually the start of the partitions all the way up till the onset of WWI. That said I do believe I can grasp how that author felt to a degree, I've been to many a place around the world and have seen some less than ideal things as a result, in some cases it felt as if I stepped into the past with how some people lived and how antithetical it was to my own upbringing, I suppose that would fall under the term culture shock, but nevertheless it was quite eye opening and I imagine that author felt a very similar clash of realities upon seeing what he saw.

[@ya_boi1586]

The good ending

[@kuroazrem5376]

How can we suggest topics in the patreon? Do we submit the whole scenario or just an idea?

[@NapoleonVIII]

We needn't change that much: Let's say Ferdinand survives and we still have WW1. Everything stays the same till 1916. Ferdinand proposes the USGA. Hungary wouldn't do anything against it, because it are not in the best position to act against it. This worsens the situation for the Entente. The USGA is now stronger than A-H and a collapse seems less likely. Romania might still try to stir up the Romanians in the Empire but the USGA is more stable and Bulgaria is also in the war, so you know how that will end. People in the Ottoman Empire might also demand reforms, but Atatürk was already famous thanks to the battle of Gallipolis and the Young Turks would tolerate the introduction of at least some of his reforms, so yeah....The USGA wouldn't be good for the Entente.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

Good scenario!

[@NapoleonVIII]

@@TheAustrianAnimations87, thank you. My problem was that on the one side, the german military wanted a war, before Russia has fully industrialised and that the Balcan was always a power keg. The wish of creating Yugoslavia existed in some Serbian minds already before WW1. I doubt it just came up after the war. On the other side I need a reason for Hungary to accept the USGA, because Hungary had no connection to Russia or France. Then I remembered that Charles I made his manifesto in OTL in 1916. In the 1916 of the timeline, where Ferdinand takes the throne, Serbia was defeated thanks to Bulgaria, Russia was already pushed back and the Italians were also not capable to really march into South Tyrol. The situation for the CP was pretty good and if you achieve no mayor victories, you can promise independence as much as you want, nobody will believe you will be able to keep them. So the minorities will rather accept the USGA, than hoping for independence, that they might never get.

[@kgius7434]

Carving up Austria along ethnic linkes was the big problem in the first place. Ut should be carved up along its historical provinces. you have ethnic mixed but historically grown provinces. Vor example Carinthia l, southern Stytia and west Pannonia wi, with majority Slovene and Croat populations wanted to stay with Austria

[@crusader2112]

Monsieur Z doing alternate history? Flashback time. 😎👍 I wish this idea took hold in Austria-Hungary. Rip 🫡 P.S. I believe it was Kaiser Blessed Karl who believed in reform and autonomy to the different groups of the Empire. Speaking of Karl, could you do a what if he bided his time and didn’t immediately go to Hungary? P.P.S. Idea of Germany and Austria focusing on Russia and standing firm in the West was the basis for an alternate history story I started writing. It’s not finished yet though.

[@noldo3837]

Hello from Prague. I am not sure how serious was meant the German region separated from current Czechia. There has never existed such administrative unit (logically, who would create such administrative spaghetti monster). Word Sudetenland was not used in that manner ever before. The language, nationality and ethnic question in these regions was extremelly unclear (take a look at Silesia referendums later for example...). And - most importantly - natural administrative regions. Local and regional towns as centers of administrative units are where they are for a reason. Czech borderland with german-speaking ethnicity (mislabelled Sudetenland) would not be able to exist as an administrative unit in any shape or form, from elementary practical reasons.

[@richardaubrecht2822]

The borders wasn't there but the idea was. If I remember correctly one of the proposals for Austrian-Czech compromise talked about splitting Czech lands into a bilingual and a German-only areas, with greater autonomy for Czechs in the bilingual areas but almost nonexistent autonomy for them in the German speaking areas.

[@noldo3837]

@@richardaubrecht2822 Look at Budweiss or Pilsen, for exymple... if you cut the borfer par out, the natural regional centers would still be those two... coz of terrain, roads, railroads, habbit... Those are natural administrative units with natural gravity.

[@RedXlV]

Franz Ferdinand's concept to centralize by decentralizing (and therefore pitting all the factions of the empire against each other, leaving himself as the arbiter of all their conflicts)...was it crazy enough to work? Maybe, maybe not. But it would've had a better chance of survival than our timeline's Austria-Hungary, at least. In your alternate WW1 scenario, I wonder if maybe Franz would've invited the Polish rebels in Russia to join West Galicia to increase its ability to counterbalance the Magyar aristocracy. For those Poles who were willing to settle for less than total independence, an empire that's already given internal autonomy to its Polish province would probably be more appealing than either remaining under Russian rule or being a client state of Germany.

[@ColdHighway7]

Would like to this continue into WW2

[@greenknightofwar7024]

My only disagreement would be the Britain would probably not enter the war, at least not at the point you mentioned. At the this point it’s a one front war against Germany. I think Britain would try to mediate peace at this point. Germany has already won the war and the French are now the aggressors.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

The Austrian Hungary empire or Habsburg could’ve become the United States of Danubia. Referring to nation states that exist by the Danube river.

[@newbornviking9721]

What if Egypt Had Discover The Americas ?

[@jmprues]

They need one military and one national language with the local language being used in each state. They could have even used a language like English.

[@egoalter1276]

Latin most likely. It was already the common language of the elite and intellectuals, and would have been a neutral choice. Or maybe Esperanto. It was created explicitly for a porpouse like this, and was also meutral, and eaisy to learn.

[@notbanjelacic]

Another what if I've been thinking of is what if Hungary never existed aka the Pannonian Sea never disappeared?

[@egoalter1276]

The lowest point of the carpathian basin is still 40m above sea level, or you are either looking at a large elsvated lake, or a significant rise in the sea level of the mediterranean sea. Geopolitically, hunagry served as a buffer between the HRE, PLC Byzantium and later Ottoman Empire, and its abscence would probably lead to more outright warfare between these in the area. The basin is also very agriculturally fertile, and served as the food supply for much of the sorrounding area, so we may well see a much less heavily populated eastern alps/balkans and tatras.

[@Arcticpiano303]

Imagine there was a USA in Europe, lmfao

[@GibberishDraw]

in this alternate timeline the band franz ferdinand would also have a different name.

[@AoMohammed]

Me patiently waiting for the zoroastrian reconquista video: 😶

[@DeanMonsieur]

I’ve been waiting on a professor of ancient Persia to get back to me, but I assure you the video will be made in good time!

[@Stejers]

"He is literally me!" You mean he is literally US right?

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of What if the US of Austria Succeeded? | Alternate History momentum 100

[@NickAndriadze]

This ''US of Austria'' (And to be fair the original Austria-Hungary in general) sounds _basically_ like the perfect alternate universe version of the Transcaucasian democratic federative republic. A combination of multiple sovereign nations and a very high amount of ethnicities and languages... Except with far less ethnic tension, far less crippled economy, actual industry, far better mindsets, etc. There's a reason why Transcaucasus only lasted for... _Just a little over a month._

[@MeItingGlaceon]

Bulgaria and Ottoman empire: Germany bad news USA joined the war in entente side. Germany: Great which one? Bulgaria and ottoman empire: *Both*

[@UnYoutuber._.]

Can I suggest an alt his idea? The idea: What if the UR succedded on Peru? To give context: UR or "Union Revolucionaria" was a nationalist/fascist (similar to Italian Facism) party, created by the general Luis Miguel Sanchez Cerro, who wanted to fix Peru during 1930 - 1933, he reach power by a Coup d'etat to president Leguia. At first Cerro had some support in some states like Arequipa (place where he started his moves)... Yet the party barely gained support after the coup, eventually getting killed by an aprist. (That was after retiring from presidency) Btw Cerro was an anti-communist (like... He really wanted gone the APRA, which was a commie party), anti-asian, and lastly... Between ALL the presidents of hispanicamerica, I could say he was the only who actually gave a damn about indigenous people, and not only for easy votes... He actually gave a damn. I suggest this alt his coz... I would like to see an alt his of mah homeland :3 (aka Peru)

[@KaiserDrewboi]

USA United States of America ❌ United States of Austria ✅

[@joshuawells835]

I think the breaking up of Austria-Hungary was inevitable, though perhaps not in its entirety. I see the Polish, Ukrainian, Romanian, and Italian states being given to Poland, Ukraine/Russia, Romania, and Italy respectively, shaving the empire of lands. Reducing the peoples of the empire might save it or lead to collapse.

[@finchat2382]

So Bizmarc would be wrong. Thats weird.

[@alexb.8038]

I keep having to point out the same errors in videos about the late Habsburg monarchy. No the peoples of the empire were not fighting for independence, but greater representation WITHIN the Empire. Independence movements were miniscule. Minority rights and political representation of minorities in the empire was something unthinkable and unheard of in most other countries globally. It was certainly unheard of in the German and Russian empires and just for context the oh so progressive United States (which was critically responsible for the stupidity at Versailles) still separated its people based on color in the 1960s. The division between the different peoples in the empire is constantly exaggerated, since people only marginally educated on the subject perpetuate allied propaganda 100 years later. Books like AJP Taylors are to blame here. Modern historiography (from all A-H successor states) since the 90s has pretty much agreed that the empire had very good chances of survival if WW1 didn't happen.

[@richardaubrecht2822]

The independence movements were ORIGINALLY minuscule. They grew rapidly as the war went on.

[@lemons_of_engineering]

why does this get so little views??

[@oooshafiqooo]

Basically USA, no i mean United States of Austria

[@KIRRALORE]

Question is, what happend to nationalist movement in Bohemia and Croatia. Resolt of Croatian question is quiet easy, but Bohemia will be a problem. Bohemia have historical resons and claim on Sudettenland region. And reorganisation of A-H to Federation, will increas anger of Czech nationalist like Masaryk and Kramar. So, there is possible of rebelion in the army after few years of war like in our reality, when Czechs and Slovaks maked their own army (Czechoslovak legions) for establishing of Czehoslovakia. In this scenario, when only enemy for A-H is realy just Russia, who for many Czech nationalist was only hope for free state of slavs, their will not wait and start uprising or rebelion in the army and if they will be very quick, start uprising of others nations of federation. But, on the other hands, befor second year of war, many Czech politics support A-H scenario of Czech Uprising maybe to large what if. But I hope you enjoyed this my small point.

[@charmyzard]

4:36 Well, I hate to be the guy to say it... but I don't 😎 *He's literally me.*

[@Colenin.]

Can you stop slightly changing the colors shortly after stuff moves? Thats triggering me so hard

[@nebelnoob5086]

The good endind

[@myaimistrash]

láhósz kaszúti?

[@madmasseur6422]

16:00 why is romania on Russia's side tho?

[@alexandrub8786]

1:00 italian pronunciation (po-po-vishi) instead of the romanian one(popo-vici, with the "ci" at the end being pronounced differently)

[@giovannidugo7594]

@@alexandrub8786 it is not an italian pronunciation: the c in "ci" is hard in italian, like the ch of "check".

[@Bobo-gamer555]

Can you make something about croatia

[@jacobkobald1753]

I would like to see a scenario resulting in a greater Germany, one where all German speakers are within one nation. I swear I’m not some Nazi lol I.e Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and Holland and any others I have forgotten. Maybe even a scenario with a united French speaking Europe as well I.e France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, and parts of Switzerland. Additionally a united Iberia and Scandinavia. Ironically that seems logical to me despite being a Canadian who would never wish to join with America unless it was somehow an equal progressive union lol😂

[@TurtleChad1]

My trans toddler loves this channel

[@gregoryturk1275]

Huh 🥔🍠🍔?

[@fduranthesee]

02:05 this is a take that confuses me. i know mr z is talking about the Austrian persons' take on federalism but I've never seen Federalism in that way. I just see "federalism" as like, bureaucracy or upper-management getting in the way of personal rights or states' rights, like a collectivist entity forcing everyone to be together and act as one unit. alot of the time, I hear (conservatives, I guess?) say that a unitary system of gov't is "more oppressive" than a federal one. to me, a unitary system is just an (over)simplification as you do not have many squabbling gov'ts. a unitary gov't is more condensed than a federal one just in the talk of a confederacy, I feel like you're going back to actually having a loose/minimal gov't instead of several leaders under one main leader like federalism or no other leader but the main leader in a unitary country.

[@crusader2112]

@@fduranthesee Federalism means a Federation of States, you’re probably thinking of The Federalist Party which were more open to a strong central government, although I’m not sure if they would’ve supported unitary. I’m not a fan of Unitary governments for large nations like The U.S. or Russia because there’s so many ethnic groups and cultures that one government can’t manage the whole thing, so it should delegate. Personally, as a Catholic, I’m a supporter of subsidiary or localism. A devolution of power down to the smallest part where possible, however foreign policy and military should still be under federal control.

[@cjvoerman5591]

The Utahist States of Austria

[@5nhyfiery]

GRAHHHHH I LOVE AUSTRIA

[@EmanuelTheDragon]

Romania wouldn't join i b4 italy

[@capslocked7274]

what if hungarians werent so god damn regarded all throughout history

[@sincere9412]

yo let’s go

[@g21pizza]

usa 2.0

[@emilianohermosilla3996]

Lajos Kossuth’s idea was too OP to let Austria-Hungary live…

[@madmasseur6422]

If anything I feel like the Hungarians would try to gain independence during the chaos since their country basically got halfed. This would in turn push for serbian and Romanian separatists to also fight both the Austrians and Hungarians on the side of their homelands in a bloody free-for-all which would drag Serbia into the conflict at least as a supporter of the Serbian rebels in Pannonia which would happen just as the Illyrian/Pan-Yugoslav movement would start to get attention, so even in this reality I don't see the United Danubian States surviving. The only way it could survive is if both Serbia and Romania were somehow integrated into the union, but this scenario would have to start earlier then, possibly right after the 1848 revolutions before Serbia gained Vardar and when Wallachia/Romania wasn't united with Moldova. Moldova could get annexed by Russia so Wallachia could be given Transylvania and Serbia could be gives Bosnia and Dalmatia while Croatia and Slavonia united. Hungary would still end up being rediced by half, but at that point the United Danubian States would at least have the Serbs, Croats and the Romanians on Austria's side to fight the Hungarian rebels.

[@Lau2856.]

Wouldn't it make sense to incorporate romania? They would be united unter the us of Austria

[@Qued_]

hehehehe USA hehehehe

[@BestDemo55]

The United Kingdom of Austrians, Hungarians, Poles, Galicians, Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Bosniaks, Czechs,and Slovaks

[@wallachia4797]

you forgot the Romanians

[@florianschweiger6666]

Austria as a word means Empire in the east, there is no need to list all ethnicities. Same for the german version "Österreich".

[@pawedobrosz152]

Short answear: it wouldn't. XD In the age of nationalism, Austria simply has no purpose, as it just splits Germans between a strong, big, monoethnic major (Germany) and a weaker and multi ethnic minor (Austria). Long story short, if the concept of Austrian federation succeeds, in a few years Pan-Germanic nationalists would win in an Austrian part and just vote it to join Germany anyway.

[@aaronfire359]

Except the Emperor of Austria would veto that sooo

[@gregoryturk1275]

@@aaronfire359everyone rebels empire collapse

[@wallachia4797]

The Austrian realm never entered the "age of nationalism". Austria-Hungary still ran on a pseudo-medieval basis by the start of WW1 (half the reason why it crumbled) - the unifying factor was the monarch, not the ethnicity. Can you name a single "pan-germanic nationalist" in the Imperial circles?

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

This comment simply proves that you know nothing how Austria-Hungary worked. "In the age of nationalism, Austria simply has no purpose, as it just splits Germans between a strong, big, monoethnic major (Germany) and a weaker and multi ethnic minor (Austria)." There are still a lot of multiethnic countries in the world today such as India, Indonesia and Nigeria. Why have none of them collapsed yet? The pre-war Austria-Hungarian economy was growing very well and almost nobody in the empire wanted independence, just more autonomy at worst. Unfortunately, WW1 caused a lot of deaths and mass starvation in the empire, which couldn't be recovered anymore. "Long story short, if the concept of Austrian federation succeeds, in a few years Pan-Germanic nationalists would win in an Austrian part and just vote it to join Germany anyway." Which Pan-Germans? The idea of an Anschluss never became strong enough until *AFTER* Austria-Hungary's collapse where Austria got reduced to a small country with a terrible economy.

[@pawedobrosz152]

I love how people who have little to no actuall knowledge on the topic jump on to try to make their wet dream possible. You probably don't know that, but I live in Poland in the former part of Austria - Hungary. On top of that, I am a history major, and my masters degree was specifically on the topic of central powers strategic position in WWI. About 1/3 of my work was about how AH was a pointless state in XX century. And you people don't even try to understand what I wrote. Any examples that you gave, like India or Nigeria are not even close to the position of AH in the early XX century. Why? Because those countries don't have a stronger counterpart of the same ethnicity. For example, Russia was a multi-ethnic county, but it was the only country of Russians, which means that at least it's main ethnicity was devoted to it's state. Now Austria-Hungary was by this time just a poorer and weaker cousin of Germany, and Germans living there knew that. Many people were deserting the Austrian army just to join the German one (our famous painter wasn't the only one, at one point this became rampant). So, knowing that in case of a German victory in WWI, Poland, Romania and Serbia would all be independent, and Germany would be the #1 world power, AH would still collapse and be dismantled between it's neighbours. No matter the form of government.

[@Chosen_Ash]

“Women rights” alright bye