What if U-turn was in gen 3?

[@MrEntinen]

I would imagine that in a u-turn gen3, Nidoqueen would be a very common pivot type of thing. Poison Point U-Turn resist that laughs at t-bolt/hpGrass zapdos that has stab eq, superpower and heals in sand like swampert?

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Sounds like generation 4 part 2

[@MrEntinen]

@ShinyTillDawn Yes, although it is ever so much worse for not having hazards. Then again the power level is much lower.

[@obiwancannoli1920]

​@@ShinyTillDawngen 4 the prequel

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

She would obviously be worse than in Gen 4 for lacking hazards, but that would still make Nidoqueen pretty remarkable And on top of the moves you mentioned, she also has Ice Beam and Flamethrower for some obvious Pokémon that need to be kept in check.

[@BeeEmpress]

I’m always up late at night wondering What if U-Turn was in gen 3?

[@thedude-nf1uf]

Same I'm finally going to get a good night's rest😪

[@Toomanian]

Is that sarcasm? I can never tell. But I have wondered this specifically while playing ADV, Baton Pass is the only pivoting move there so it naturally leads to considering this.

[@DeckKnight]

Dugtrio would probably be banned in U-turn meta. Makes it way too easy to get in on weakened mons.

[@cowboydan4761]

Not to mention that you don't even have to worry about chipping things like tar and cele into dug ko range in order to get the trap off.

[@qweschuning]

You thought bp zap was a problem?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

Those clips at the beginning and end of the video are, indeed, from the upcoming trailer! Little can match the fear of U-turn in gen 3, but if you'd like a taste of terror to tide you over until the trailer's out, here is a thrown-together list of some of Kev's favorite horror movies (no real order after #1): THE THING IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS PRINCE OF DARKNESS SUSPIRIA PHENOMENA INFERNO OPERA DEEP RED THE CREMATOR MORGIANA PERFECT BLUE REPULSION VIDEODROME THE FLY PULSE CURE RETRIBUTION TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME ERASERHEAD TETSUO THE IRON MAN TETSUO II: BODY HAMMER ALIEN THE TERMINATOR THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE EATEN ALIVE LIFEFORCE THE EVIL DEAD EVIL DEAD II BRAINDEAD NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD SHAUN OF THE DEAD HOUSE UNDER THE SKIN KWAIDAN THE WAILING POSSESSION ANTICHRIST IMAGES JIGOKU BLACK CHRISTMAS CARNIVAL OF SOULS HOUR OF THE WOLF GANJA AND HESS CARRIE KOLOBOS DREAM DEMON NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET VAMPYR THE INNOCENTS WAKE IN FRIGHT PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK BLACK SUNDAY MUTE WITNESS THE HITCHER SKINAMARINK TROUBLE EVERY DAY ALL THE COLORS OF THE DARK VISITOR TO A MUSEUM DEAD MAN'S LETTERS KURONEKO ONIBABA GODZILLA ('54) SOCIETY EVIL DEAD TRAP THE BLOB ('88) MY BLOODY VALENTINE CHRISTMAS BLOODY CHRISTMAS LOVE MASSACRE THE SLUMBER PARTY MASSACRE SORORITY HOUSE MASSACRE DUDE BRO PARTY MASSACRE III EVIL ED KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE FROM BEYOND HARDWARE PRIMAL IMPULSE WHITE OF THE EYE THE PERFUME OF THE LADY IN BLACK RE-ANIMATOR OUT OF THE DARK LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT ('09) AUTOPSY THE PSYCHIC CANNIBAL MAN SPLATTER: NAKED BLOOD AUDITION SAFE (maybe a stretch to include it but it's disturbing as hell)

[@thewarthog5656]

its funny you mention suspiria because i watched that last night and one of my first thoughts after the movie was "i think BKC would like this" lmfao guess i was right

[@TheHero136]

Sad Jaws isn't on here but otherwise great list.

[@theta-8]

Should add It Follows to the list

[@Cobalt957]

He really said "some" recommendations

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

terminator is horror? also damn you’ve seen more horror movies than i think i’ve seen movies in my entire life

[@whomgod420]

U-turn is what in the fighting game community you call an 'option select'. No matter what the opponent does, assuming a normal situation, something like a faster Flygon using U-turn against a slower Celebi is always the best possible move. It always selects the best option. Kinda breaks the game lol

[@RedMoonlight138]

An idea of a tier where only ADV UUBL Pokémon can be used, due to the sizable number of Pokémon that are in BL within ADV, so a tier where those Pokémon can be used properly and interact with each other would be cool to see.

[@Rose-ez7yn]

Uubl is played

[@RedMoonlight138]

Oh thanks, but where on Showdown?

[@Rose-ez7yn]

@@RedMoonlight138 its a challenge code tmk idk which they use you can google that

[@shevankaseneviratne1724]

@@RedMoonlight138 i just okay regular ou with uubl mons. Have gotten to 1450 max with it.

[@yourdagan]

UUBL has already "lost" 3 or more mons over the past two years as the UU council is finally (slowly) unbanning things. It's shrinking.

[@the_bookworm8281]

Have a cool idea: what would the ADV OU meta look like if Ttar didn't get Sand Stream as it's ability? DPP OU meta would fit in this description too, but I am particularly interested on how much ADV OU would change since the tier is defined by permanent sandstorm.

[@yourdagan]

Everything that relies upon low HP strategies like Berry boosts (Reversal, Swarm, etc.) would become viable. Games would last longer on average as Leftovers healing is no longer nullified. Things that were manageable under Sandstorm become much harder to faint, such as Suicune. Substitute strategies too become much more viable: Alakazam, Raikou, Charizard to a certain extent, Suicune perhaps.

[@rubadub15]

@@yourdagan you seem to know a lot about gen 3 OU. I think snorlax is another big mention here for no perma sand meta. With immunity as an ability, the only thjng to wear down snorlax is spikes, which is notable, but having lefties healing goes a long way as opposed to having sand up. Suicune would get better, but still worse than swampert overall. Honestly, I’m glad the pinch berry/low hp strategies aren’t viable, it’s not very fun to play against IMO. Cheers.

[@Filthy_Cubes]

A good horror movie always has a sequel where the bigger monster shows up… Volt Switch + Flip Turn in ADV

[@lafusion6695]

I thought about: What would happen if Garganacl was in gen 3? Not only is it IMMUNE to Toxic, WoW and Sand but Salt Cure forces so many switches. Sleeping non Sleep Talk Suicune, Skarmory, Metagross, Swampert, Jirachi or even stuff that doesnt like getting damaged. Duggy would be an answer but other than that this thing would be really annoying -Recover -Protect -Salt Cure -Toxic/Earthquake/Filler Edit: These would be better if you held mini tournaments in your discord server so you get games with these changes and can get more accurate results.

[@deeznoots6241]

It would be banned to ubers for sure lol

[@xaropevic7918]

Also 32 PP recover

[@EvilApple567]

Imo the coolest thing about scizor would be the fact that its u-turn could be swarm boosted, something you basically never see gen 4+ due to technician. I still don't think it would be that great due to fire coverage being so good in adv, but due to the generally lower power level (+ no specs) it might be fairly manageable to get it into swarm consistently to fire off at least one insanely powerful cb u-turn. Even if it doesn't outright ko you likely get to bring in any fast/frail mon to threaten/clean up due to scizor's speed, jolteon might see more use from situations like this. Dug would probably get banned though with how much easier it is to get in.

[@roidadadou5456]

Also tried it out, I've never seen Flygon be as good as that. Saw lower usage on Bi and Rachi of course, because their setup sets are top notch. Moltres was a very frequent user, pivoting on the very rare Fire Blast absorber like Blissey was incredible. But the one who benefited the most from it was of course the goat Scizor (although I think Bullet Punch also helped in that regard). And of course, with Turn in the tier, Dugtrio's usages skyrocketed.

[@NimbusHero]

It would be interesting to discuss what if Dondozo was in RBY or GSC since it's basically a physically defensive foil to Lax

[@mighark54]

I was reading some comments about how Gen 3 feels wrong to them because of the lack of physical-special split, particularly how some mons didn't have any STAB moves of their higher attacking stat, and that made me wonder how would the game look like if STAB wasn't a thing. The physical special split was a change that made a lot of sense, but also contributed to the powercreep by giving almost all mons a high power STAB move that comes off of their higher attacking stat. I wonder how the game would be affected if you removed that multiplier, or possibly lowered it if outright removing it was too big of a change. Don't think it would help mixed attackers which is another noticeable loss from the split but it would be an interesting thought anyway.

[@blakeshutt4310]

Gen 3 videos are great! I'd love to keep learning about fringe or underrated strategies!

[@maxlimit9129]

What if Volt Switch was in Gen 3 but U-turn wasn't? I feel like it might be a little more manageable because of significantly more limited distribution (like, did they really need to give U-turn to _everything?_ ) and the fact that you can always just block it with a friendly Ground-type, Lanturn, or Jolteon, but I'm not the top player here lol

[@tecul1]

inclined to agree but zapdos already is so good so iuno

[@SoulJun]

I'm curious to know how it'll affect Forretress' viability in particular. Like if it'll be close to being on equal footing to Skarmory as a spiker

[@yourdagan]

​@@SoulJunAs a Defensive Wall, Forretress is a lot less reliable than Skarmory, due to vulnerability to Ground, Spikes, Flying, 4x Fire, and inability to phaze. It does switch in well against Metagross, and being able to slow turn out provides a much needed opening for something faster to come out and threaten it. They may want to switch out anyway, not wanting to be Earthquake'd or Spikes fodder, so Volt Switch allows it to regain momentum even in the event of a switch. But, Flygon and Claydol are favored switch-ins against Forretress, so there remains an element of risk U-Turn doesn't have. Volt Switch also would allow it to chip Skarmory or catch Gengar switching in in order to bring in a Pursuit user instantly instead of letting Gengar get a move in, which is highly valuable. Volt Switch would allow Forretress to not be as much of a momentum sink for offensive teams specifically, and thus I think its usage in that team style could rise. Defensively, Zap Cannon would still be preferable since it allows Forretress to sit on Skarmory---you wouldn't want to switch out to anything else in most circumstances if it's staying in.

[@SoulJun]

​@@yourdaganI see, appreciate the insight! What would be a typical offense team that uses Forretress?

[@yourdagan]

@@SoulJun I've been thinking about it because there's no obvious answer. It's hard to say. As it is, Forretress isn't a go-to mon for offensive teams. Too many random fire moves, a momentum-sapper without clicking Explosion, and easy to whittle down or muscle through, compared to Skarmory. With Volt-Switch, which wouldn't work on some key Ground types anyway, there is generally not enough good mons that can take advantage of such an opening enough to justify whatever damage Forretress may have taken to enable it. It would help trappers primarily, like Magneton Dugtrio and Pursuit users, as most offensive threats that don't trap are too easy to wall. They'd have to be Choice Band to get mileage. So the closest things to gen3ou Volt Switch Forretress would be teams that want Spikes or Rapid Spin, have at least one trapper, and at least one Choice Band user. There was a guy on ladder a month or two ago who was using a sort of Eeveelution team (for Baton Pass and Wish) with Forretress and Slaking that wasn't actually terrible; Volt Switch gives a safe and easy in to these guys.

[@benjulesrun9057]

I would watch a whole video about how good 3-move jirachi would be

[@Lmjacks]

one thing ive always wondered as you scroll through the pokemon list of gen 3 is why a fourth proper tier hasnt been made for all the UUBL pokemon. would be curious to hear your thoughts on such a tier if it were made, how it would affect other tiers, and if there’s reason to do so/not do so in the first place!

[@yourdagan]

Because for years tiering action on old gen lower tiers was frozen. And the people in charge of Gen 3 UU specifically are extremely inert and complacent with the status quo. Realistically most of current UUBL should be the real UU and a bunch of the worst mons in current UU would be shuffled into an RU. The NU situation isn't even this bad, as they wound up making a PU tier beneath it to distinguish the "NU" mons that weren't really viable there. Meanwhile UU continues to hold onto mons nobody really uses, some of which stopped being viable because of the (inane) Baton Pass ban specifically. So UUBL continues to exist as it is because the UU council and playerbase wants to keep it that way.

[@MrEntinen]

Never forget that Gen3 UU is a special looney case that would ban Kakuna because it's easier than objective tiering

[@yourdagan]

@@MrEntinen They've removed that policy now, but it indeed reflects the inanity of the past stewardship.

[@MrEntinen]

@yourdagan They sure made Kakuna legal, over a decade later. It's important context to have just to understand how extreme of a special case gen 3 UU is. One could say it's not fair to single out Kakuna in that policy, but then again, there is roughly 1 fair example of chansey.

[@tysondennis1016]

U-Turn is such a great move that it existing uplifts the Bug type. And I feel like its best users are Pokémon whose abilities activate when they switch in or out, such as Incineroar being able to pivot while attacking and lowering the opposing team's Attack with Intimidate, or Mienshao attacking, healing, and pivoting all on the same turn thanks to Regenerator.

[@jaredbradley4328]

What if Magneton was Steel Type in Gen 1?

[@AlyxIsSpelledWeird]

Hey Kev thanks for looking at all my video ideas so far just letting you know that we're all super excited for the trailer and the movie in general

[@sillysailorartemis]

how much peace would earth know if water were weak to poison like it totally should be

[@yonatangale1452]

Hot take scyther would outclass scizor w u-turn. Without rocks its actuall hazard immune ironically enough. A fast powerful uturn could be so scary and i could even see a sd turn set being good. Sure its hit by sand but i dont think the teir would handle it well.

[@lukasschmitz9030]

Video idea: What if items such as the griseous orb or Arceus' plates functioned the same as the Gracidea, e.g. were key items that one applied to the corresponding Pokémons to change their form? How would e.g. DPP Ubers and other formats change if stuff like Giratina-O had a free item slot?

[@GoldGuard]

I wish they would’ve kept it like how it was in Legends Arceus

[@lukasschmitz9030]

@@GoldGuard, how did they implement it in Legends?

[@nicksomethingorother2457]

@@lukasschmitz9030Basically the same as gracidea

[@lukasschmitz9030]

@@nicksomethingorother2457, ah, I see.

[@doozsromhacks]

I mean I guess choiced giratina O would be cool but life orb isn’t thatttt much worth over the orb since you don’t take recoil for slightly less power and iirc in gen 4 girstina o basically only needs/uses it’s stabs? Cool idea tho

[@alibenjelloun4477]

Had a cool thought experiment today in my flight to home without electronics and wanted to hear your thoughts about it in a video maybe: What if all the mons in gen 3/4 OU Had access to all the abilities as they have it in gen 6. This means that all mons would have access to their gen 5-6 abilities including hiddent abilities: toxic heal Breloom in gen 3/ gliscor in gen 4, statitc zapdos flame body moltres, magic guard zam, sheer force nidoking, regenerator slowbro etc. And of course all the weather setters + abusers lol. But idk how it would play in a gen 3-4 environment (esp gen 3 cause no rocks/u-turn/roost/no physical special split and just overall lower power level). I think the weather setters and abusers would receive the same bans they did in gen 5. But honestly besides that i think it could be pretty fun/interesting: flame body moltres burning a metagross mash, or even a jirachi ice/fire punch on the switch! Or toxic heal breloom being a better version than it already is in gen 3. Or toxic heal gliscor being an unkillable god in gen 4, or sturdy working as it does in later gens so skarm is even more obnoxious to deal with, and forretress is a tiny bit better. Anyway i would love to hear you ramble and go into tangeants that go into other tangeants about it just like i did here (or even more!)

[@elitefourant]

The thought of u-turn scizor, jirachi, celebi, flygon, and moltres in gen 3 gave me erectile dysfunction. Even just scyther is scary as hell. Dugtrio and magnezone also gets a lot stronger on top of tyranitar and skarmory a lot worse. Spikes get ridiculous too.

[@tecul1]

maybe it would be what gets trapping banned

[@annaangelic2318]

Swampert would be playing Hidden Power roulette if Volt Switch was in Gen 3

[@theegreenone]

What if stealth rock was typeless?

[@funkymachine]

I wonder, would Pokémon be better or worse if you removed damage ranges.

[@TheHero136]

What if the Rest mechanics of GSC were kept for future generations?

[@yourdagan]

The metagame would become significantly more stallish, as not only could Rest be called to heal, but there's no penalty for clicking Sleep Talk either. Suicune would become a lot less manageable, and others like Rest Zapdos also become more prominent threats. These metagames would also be less popular than they are now considering how strongly RestTalk factors into Gen II metagames, with Gen 2 OU being the least popular ladder OU of all by a significant margin (by ladder games played). So the games would be significantly worse.

[@marcorossi2854]

We would have a much smaller playerbase in singles

[@LazyLee]

KZbin comments causing nightmares nothing new

[@BobDFish]

Moltres with this just sounds like a ban waiting to happen.

[@ostint912]

What if you were unaffected by secondary effects if you were the same type as the move? Like gen 1 where body slam doesn’t paralyze normal types.

[@yourdagan]

That's a boost to Tyranitar defensively who could no longer be flinched by Aerodactyl. It would prevent an occasional annoyance of Zapdos getting paralyzed off a Thunderbolt or Thunder. Snorlax mirrors become slightly less luck-based. Jirachi is massively nerfed versus Blissey and Snorlax. That's all that comes to my mind.

[@ostint912]

@@yourdagan I know in later gens it would be a decent nerf to scald which might be big

[@D4NK1]

What if dunsparce got scratch in gen 5?

[@cassmoney3160]

What if terrain existed in gen 5 and had a permanent setter; to eliminate possible confusion I’ll assign the setters for all but misty since misty terrain is associated w the fairy type which isn’t in gen 5 Zebstrika (replaces lightning rod) Musharna (replaces forewarn) Leavanny (replaces swarm)

[@cassmoney3160]

Having the surge abilities would also imply permanence of the terrain

[@nelsondaily]

Dodrio would go rampage because when it can't hit the opponent very effective it can just u-turn out

[@orbital1950]

What if jirachi's doom desire was 200 base power so it actually had impact? like a delayed victini V-create.

[@Deredeo13]

What if Brand New didnt inspire 50% of nicknames in Gen 4?

[@adamriley9241]

How would Gen 4 look if all the current typings were available with the new types advantages/disadvantages, and the pokemon had their most recent type changes (Fairy/Water Azumaril)

[@InSpades0]

I think thatd just be the bdsp metagame.

[@adamriley9241]

​@CrashOverride958 I didn't think of that and I played a few dozen hours of BDSP, but I wouldn't want the newer abilities and moved in the hypothetical. Just DPP OU with new types and their resistances/effectiveness.

[@frogwhisperer4268]

Yuck Clefable is already a top tier pokemon without Fairy, it'd just be completely OP with it (unless you don't give it any Fairy moves LOL) Rotom and Gengar would also be S-tiers, no more normal types in the meta now and the only dark type is ttar.

[@InSpades0]

@@adamriley9241 i think the only mon who would be really affected by HAs would be gliscor who i think had alot of usage in bdsp. I do remember latios getting banned and then gengar soon after.

[@rubadub15]

@@frogwhisperer4268 no doubt clefable would be banned if it were fairy type in gen 4. It would be obscenely good. Heatran would run steel coverage just for clefable.

[@catandfishfc]

Seeing Swampert get rock slided in this filter is giving me flashbacks

[@chilln0648]

what if magic guard was in gen 3

[@yourdagan]

Huge buff to the mons that get it. Clefable would have a good reason to be used over Blissey. Alakazam would be much better.

[@gretchling5012]

going by gen 4 learnsets, moltres would get it too, which would make it even more impossible to switch into than it already is! eat your heart out, charizard

[@tecul1]

o wow didn't even know that, bliss eat her heart out

[@peculiar.pancake]

Here's an idea: What if Politoed and Pelipper had Drizzle, and Ninetales and Torkoal had Drought from gen 3 onwards?

[@marcorossi2854]

Gen 3 ubers ladder this month..

[@PlasmaEnergised]

What if Steel never resisted Ghost and Dark?

[@jacksbrow182]

R.I.P. Metagross

[@igeomagician]

What are examples of Pokémon that would become a lot better in old gens if they had their newer generation move sets, minus any moves that came out later. I can think of aerodactyl having rockslide in rby and gsc

[@yourdagan]

Sableye with Will-O-Wisp. Quagsire with Recover. Slowbro and Slowking with Slack Off. Some mons that got Trick later. Claydol with Psywave.

[@rubadub15]

@@yourdagan yoooo dragon dance flygon! Would actually be a really threatening pokemon in gen 3 OU. Dragonite extremespeed would be great as well.

[@gustavorodriguez8702]

Imagine Volt Switch in Gen 3. Skarmory would be flipping burgers.

[@arcanusafonso2647]

Without watching the video, I think U-turn wouls be enough to consolidate Skarm as number 1 in ADV

[@wayward41]

What if Kommo-o was in ADV? Huge bulk and great mixed attacking stats backed by a ferocious dual STAB, with an immunity to Sand (through Overcoat) to boot!

[@Qwerds7]

Why is this video deep fried?

[@help.chiakinanami.1789]

Why are there many uubl mons in adv ou compared to newer gens?

[@yourdagan]

It's a historical issue from decades prior where lots of petty bans from a more careless era were made that were, still, pettily never addressed until the past couple of years. A bunch of mons that were felt annoying were banned just because they could be, not necessarily because they were too strong as to merit bans.

[@steelballrunner636]

What if Close Combat was in GSC? How would this affect pokemon like Heracross, Machamp, and others?

[@yourdagan]

Huge boost in viability as the strongest move is Cross Chop at 100 BP and only 80 accuracy. Heracross doesn't even have that or Brick Break, just 70BP Hidden Power Fighting. Being able to spam Close Combat would decrease Snorlax's viability. It is so dominant precisely because the power level of everything else is too low, due to the crappy movepool. A direct buff to Fighting types like Machamp would hinder it significantly.

[@xelementalsupreme9308]

Now I wonder... What would happen if Tyrantrum existed in gen 3?

[@CMSonYT]

BKC play 350 Cup! It's like LC and Ubers combined!

[@wyattnance3756]

What if flyers hovered above stealth rocks (levitate included)

[@viviannguyen715]

Speaking of U-Turn, nothing about the move screamed "Bug type" to me. It's a fast attack where the user pivots. The type with the highest average speed stat is Flying. More Flying type mons learn U-Turn than Bug types. What if U-Turn was a Flying type move (same distribution and BP)?

[@turkeyguyorsomethinggobble3639]

If you want to ruin gen 3 all you need is to add roost Skarm and Zapdos

[@yourdagan]

Roost Skarmory wouldn't ruin gen3ou, as Magneton already exists as an option and Roost'ing gives it a Ground and Fighting (Focus Punch) weakness. Zapdos becomes much better but not necessarily overbearing either.

[@coleb2171]

What if Taunt was in GSC?

[@yourdagan]

That would almost singlehandedly save the tier.

[@EthnicWeeb]

Video idea: What if Dark-Type was physical in GSC, not special?

[@chrg721]

what if choice scarf was in gen 3? i'm pretty sure you've mentioned doing a video about it in your choice band in gen 3 video, but i don't think you've ever made it (unless i'm blind)

[@chrg721]

*choice specs, not band, sorry

[@xaropevic7918]

I suppose qwilfish would be a better spikes setter than cloyster on such a meta...maybe? Like, it punishes u-turn by resisting and having poison point, but good luck switching into jirachi, celebi or zapdos, also trapped by dug, but doesn't that apply to all flame body and static mons? Other than electrode Ig, which can trade with dug by booming

[@soma467]

Scyther goes crazy with it this gen

[@neuchatelxanax]

That's interesting since I wonder if I should implement it in my Emerald ROM hack where I try to create a very balanced meta

[@kyscojastar]

Why are there so many mons in gen 3 BL? Like it could be its own tier

[@yourdagan]

Because decades ago when gen 3 was more recent, the tiering action was more biased and haphazard and careless, so a lot of mons that simply weren't liked being dealt with got banned. Years after the fact, complacency and inertia made people not want to change the metagame much, and thus the bans remained even as they were being reexamined by the community at large in terms of their ridiculousness and indefensibility with respect to actual power levels. Only now in the past year or two have they begun slowly unbanning UUBL mons one at a time. But at this pace it will be years until UUBL becomes the size a banlist should actually be (a handful or less of mons).

[@reun1clus]

Feels like Zapdos will be the primary beneficiary of this move

[@thebestworst8002]

It already gets baton pass so it’s not that big

[@reun1clus]

@@thebestworst8002 Blissey and Celebi won’t be such safe switches anymore, they will be punished by good damage

[@tecul1]

rachi being able to wish pass sounds nasty

[@steelballrunner636]

What if you had 3 layers of spikes in GSC?

[@yourdagan]

Significantly less stally and might actually become playable for most people and more popular.

[@Hagot428]

How would the meta change if Celebrate was in gen 3?

[@somedude-my4im]

What if the elemental gems were in generation 4 or 3

[@yourdagan]

That makes Hidden Power Grass Dragon Dance Tyranitar actually viable. It also allows Tyranitar to bluff Lum Berry when chipped and instead deliver a boosted Focus Punch to incoming Swampert. Hypothetically in a world where you could predict Protect, it also allows Magneton a guaranteed kill against Skarmory every time. It allows Dugtrio the ability to not have to run Choice Band, as you give it Ground or Bug gem depending on what you need to remove most. Among other things.

[@Juan_Carl0s]

What if U-turn (or switch moves in general) never existed? What if Volt Switch was in gen 4?

[@raindown6702]

Video idea: What if buffed knock off (97.5BP) was released in gen 3? (Including the impact on gen4 and gen5)

[@yourdagan]

No significant difference as the only mons that could really take advantage of the boost would be Alakazam and Sableye, who have little current metagame presence and are held back by multiple factors. But, it is a definite buff in itself, just not with earthshattering implications due to its particular Gen III distribution combined with Dark being special.

[@raindown6702]

@@yourdagan Good point, I meant the impact it would have on gen3-5. I‘ll edit the comment.

[@yourdagan]

@@raindown6702 I just didn't address those because I don't play them, so don't know.

[@raindown6702]

@@yourdagan Yeah, your answer just made me realize that i should include other gens for clarity

[@A_quip]

​​​​​@@yourdagan Haryana could chunk gengar quite a bit harder, with sand gengar will live for like 3 less turns 0- SpA Hariyama Knock Off vs. 168 HP / 164 SpD Gengar: 66-78 (21.7 - 25.7%) -- 1.5% chance to 4HKO (97 bp) (it does like 6% at 20 bp)

[@D4NK1]

What if only using three attacks gave pokemon a 20% speed boost

[@Richard-ec8xy]

Le 399 speed SD garchomp has arrived

[@igeomagician]

Froslas in gen 3

[@ambertwofujiproductions.1593]

@BKCplaysPokemon I have an idea. What if gen 1 had the modern physical special split and types worked how they do modern day.

[@yourdagan]

Buff to Clamp Cloyster. That's all I can think of for OU. Buff to Hitmonchan.

[@simossarmasan9792]

How would the gen 3 ou look if metagross had access to cm or sd? Or any good boosting move that is not hone claws

[@yourdagan]

Metagross becomes more unpredictable and a viable special attacker with Calm Mind. However its special attack and movepool is still worse than Jirachi's. With Swords Dance it becomes overbearing. Curse wouldn't be too desirable but White Herb could make the set a thing.

[@VJ-Vice]

How good would Slaking be in gen 1 with truant intact?

[@thebestworst8002]

Do you think haryama will rise to gen 3 OU in the coming months? You seem to talk a lot about them recently

[@bigchungus7870]

Tiers are locked if they're not current gen

[@caloom3393]

​​@@bigchungus7870tier changes still happen. Regice p2 and raikou used to be ou whilst moltres zard and breloom used to be bl

[@yourdagan]

Hariyama is still making some waves but I don't think it's enough yet for the council to feel like rising it (and dropping Cloyster). The fact they rose Charizard but not Hariyama makes me believe inertia will continue to reign. But even if it rose, it would still be on the low end of popularity and usage without a significant effort to make its sets and preferred team structures known and easily accessible. Hariyama advocacy is currently not where it needs to be to make a tiering change a sure-thing.

[@rubadub15]

@@yourdagan id like to hear more about cloyster dropping off. Is it because of the rise of claydol? Is it how it matches up poorly against starm? Or just completely outclassed by skarm?

[@yourdagan]

@@rubadub15 Ice is the worst defensive typing in the tier. Nullifies its bulk when it can just get Rock Slide'd or Focus Punch'd to death. It also has no real Special Defense to speak of. Cloyster's defensive utility is low, and gen3ou teams largely cannot afford to run 2 waters, especially when one does little to nothing you'd want the Water type to do, like wall Salamence, Tyranitar, Metagross, Swampert, and so on. Yes, it can Spikes; yes, it can't be Magneton trapped. But it lacks the longevity of Forretress and Skarmory thanks to Sand weakness. Yes, it has Rapid Spin, but gets Toxic stalled and threatened out by Gengar. Yes, it has Explosion, but then you no longer have Cloyster. Yes, Water and Ice stab are good, but it's slow and not especially powerful. Cloyster's niche is being an untrappable Spiker with mild offensive and defensive utility. It outshines Skarmory and Forretress only on teams where forward momentum is of the utmost importance. But such teams are hard to optimize even without addressing the drawbacks of including Cloyster, and they are unforgiving in nature and thus relatively inconsistent compared to a team with Skarmory and Skarmory support; and unlike Forretress, it doesn't beat Skarmory. Cloyster is a jack of trades that's not the best at anything it does, and is a liability in itself. Even Glalie can guarantee at least one layer of Spikes Turn 1. Cloyster requires specific team support and structuring that is currently not in vogue. It really is just that simple that Skarmory is easier to fit, because it does way more.

[@moyai5317]

I think u turn main problem is bein affected by pursuit

[@drivetacos1168]

What if Snorlax got Slack Off and Slack Off was in gens 1,2 and 3

[@yourdagan]

Really big buff, especially for certain sets like Belly Drum, but Rest would still be highly desirable. It could conceivably terrifically boost its viability in gen1ou and gen2ou and even gen3ou, but giving up Rest also makes certain strategies already used to deal with it more effective too, as it can no longer shrug them off with Rest.

[@nelsondaily]

What if Celebi was in GSC OU

[@QAQISH650]

What if shed shell was in gen 3?

[@user-iy6ko1bz4y]

YANMA MENTIONED

[@puppieslovies]

when is mega evolution going to be in gen 3???

[@yourdagan]

There were some tournaments being done a couple months ago to that effect. I won one of them with Mega Sableye. It's very fun and satisfying.

[@gabby780]

GREEEEEENNN

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

mixed offense would be good?

[@11_turtles]

So was that Lanturn thing a one off gimmick or has it been used in ADV OU?

[@thebestworst8002]

It was a trend from 3 years ago

[@11_turtles]

It's been that long what

[@yourdagan]

It's still a gimmick that isn't a thing, same as Camerupt though. This is a mon that could actually benefit significantly from Volt Switch, as it's currently a big momentum sap aside from simply being weak.

[@KFLawless1412]

(Physical) Doom Desire Wish protect u-turn rachi tho

[@martiferrer4354]

What if Toxic Spikes was in Gen 3

[@yourdagan]

Forretress usage would be on par with Skarmory's. Tentacruel and Omastar and Qwilfish and even Roselia usage in OU skyrocket compared to now. Tentacruel becomes even more vital and integral to current UU's metagame. Hopefully it induces more Steel type unbans, which are already needed in this Toxic spamming metagame.

[@Topic-Star14]

What if the fairy type was in older gens?

[@ReeApple]

what if gale wings wasnt nerfed

[@bobforeman8924]

What if magic guard was in adv

[@et34t34fdf]

What if technician was in gen 3?

[@yourdagan]

Massive buff to the mons that get it.

[@rickybs2.089]

What if magearna was in g6 Ou Or what if fairys were in g5 ou

[@Eroil]

What if focus sash didn't get consumed and would be able reactivate as long as the user was at full HP, just like sturdy? Would it make the item significantly better, barely change anything or something in-between?

[@NavyBlueMan]

What if Stealth Rock was Ice type?

[@theegreenone]

Lando-T in shambles

[@Blibetyblabla]

What if zapdos was in gen 3?

[@rubadub15]

What if levitate didn’t exist in gen 3?

[@yourdagan]

Gengar nerfed and no longer obvious preferred Spinblocker, Claydol usage goes down drastically, Flygon becomes nigh worthless and drops to UUBL or even UU. Spikes management becomes even more critical to the tier as there becomes no feasible way of ignoring it. Without Levitate the Superman archetype dies completely.

[@tecul1]

uturn is just broken so....

[@lordinfernape4753]

U missed moltres

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

nope

[@mateohuf3811]

Honestly I hate what u turn and volt switch have done to the game, literal just free progress, not to mention it’s only gotten worse since boots

[@v1ultrakill730]

what if garchomp was in gen 3

[@PKMN649]

I'm the 69th like on the video. Venerate me