What is a "Bugman"? And how can I not be one? (Smithwars)

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[@MrMeier7]

Took a computer law class. Everyone in it sounded like they moderated a subreddit.

[@ChupeTTe]

Gross...

[@demonking86420]

did some sound like discord mods too?

[@DudeSoWin]

You should have studied Ethics, Diplomacy, or Philosophy. There is no such thing as "study of the law" you either are lawful or you are not.

[@seregarublev8915]

You should have studied how to get some bitches

[@brotherbisquick]

So they beat their spouses, dodge child support, and pretend to be the opposite gender?

[@alrightsquinky7798]

Judging by his outfit, “Lunchtime” must be code for Luke meeting his meth dealers.

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

He is the one who knocks

[@javajav3004]

my fucking sides

[@ryanpaul1403]

He's throwing stones from quite the glass house.

[@johnmaltz7165]

@@ryanpaul1403 thanks for turning my laugh into a frown

[@deliverus6856]

@@obsidiansiriusblackheart lmao “ I am the danger”

[@Marcus-sk2xf]

The best way to treat a bugman is to casually talk about your appreciation for your deep family history.

[@annihilation777]

This is the shining path

[@dronestrikejr]

Haha yes

[@gagetaylor54]

As someone who loves family history and naming traditions, and will take every chance to talk about my genealogy like a hobbit from LOTR, i feel that

[@Darth_Insidious]

This is bugman mentality applied to tradition. Don't let internet labels, family history, or even my criticisms define you. You are your own human, what you believe in should be your choice, not dictated to you by someone else.

[@Marcus-sk2xf]

@@Darth_Insidious I’ve learned how to make several German and Italian dishes after tracing my roots back about 200 years. Two of my great great Grandfathers built chapels with their bare hands!

[@techperson4691]

What if your family tradition is being a bugman? Checkmate.

[@oi3553]

Only a bugman would say that.

[@Elias-mk6gs]

Bug men don’t reproduce

[@steinitzsidis1959]

Then the bug man thing to do would be to abandon your family tradition and become trad.

[@microcolonel]

@u wot m8 Chairman Mao, chief of bugmen.

[@Elias-mk6gs]

Bantirat how?

[@rexevan6714]

> lunchtime with luke > doesn't have lunch

[@oscarlove4394]

lunch is a bloat industrial revolution scams intended to get as much energy into (and out of) their laborers. Hunter gatherers only ate maybe once a day. Agriculture introduced breakfast, because it was available and helped with the energy needed for a days work. Industrial revolution introduced lunch as a sort of 'second breakfast' so they could double the days work without a major decrease in efficiency. Modern day non-physical working humans only really need one or maybe two meals a day, at least if you do them right.

[@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761]

@@oscarlove4394 imagine being this based and redpilled. Oh wait...

[@MissourHanzai]

@@oscarlove4394 But what if I skip breakfast?

[@evinhendry3560]

@@oscarlove4394 Facts. I only eat dinner and I have plenty of energy to get through work and the gym.

[@txoricin]

Like a *CHAD*

[@kendawg_mcawesome]

Man, your understanding of the term is way different from mine. I've been using "bugman" to denote somebody who lives their life in such a way as to simply be a unit of labor or processing power for the society in which they live. i.e., they "optimise" their life in such a way that they are simply sucking nutrients down and receiving their little dopamine hits in allotted batches in the "appropriate" time and place, stuff like ordering meal kit services and lootboxes, drinking soylent, waiting around for the 4pm company beer kart at their startup job, munching on whatever yummy thing the company canteen has decided to allot them today, reacting to the latest algorithmic suggestion, watching and investing heavily in AAA movies mindlessly, etc. Seems like there's some crossover, but your understanding seems to be much more grounded in this idea that it stems from a loss or abandonment of tradition and culture.

[@LukeSmithxyz]

You're right. What I described typically goes hand in hand with what you describe. All this behavior is using popular bug culture and identity to replaced a suppressed identity.

[@annihilation777]

Even masculinity is commodifed. That's why all these bearded, bacon eating, manly loot box subbing, axe throwing class, jeep driving hipsters proliferate in consoymerist American society.

[@andrewhooper7603]

@@annihilation777 aesthetics have taken over. Corny motherfuckers everywhere refuse to just interact in the world spontaneously. They need a guidebook, so turn to caricatures of the past and LARP.

[@andrewhooper7603]

@@annihilation777 see also: man wipes, one of the silliest products I've ever seen.

[@hidesbehindpseudonym1920]

@@andrewhooper7603 but dampening a piece of toilet paper or using a bidet or having a wash rag that you change regularly to keep your butt crack clean is not a bad idea. Having a s***** ass is one tradition that it's okay to break with. Like your hunter-gatherer ancestors might have had s***** asses but I'm sure given the choice they wouldn't have carried it on as tradition.

[@planeshaperman]

Letting your power level slip through a bit in this vid bud

[@excitableboy7031]

I want to like your comment but its at exactly 256 likes

[@beybladeguru101]

@@excitableboy7031 haha comment has arbitrary number of likes i will not give upcummies give me upcummies

[@aryeahzenter6779]

@@beybladeguru101 Luke's burner account^

[@c4call]

He'll say all of this, and then spend hours reading some Christian theological works, tho...

[@austinshearmen9210]

@@c4call and that's a bad thing because...?

[@hineko_]

in short real tribal communities have been replaced with communities based on flavours of degeneracy.

[@bbseal6174]

I agree!

[@thecomputerist]

While the displaced hoards of the lower class tribal communities will live underground in tiered cities, endlessly toiling away for nuggets of neo plasmin.

[@stevem815]

The problem is that a lot of our parents were bugmen and there's nothing to hold on to. My life has been an utter nightmare of extricating myself from the bugman cult and finding my way back to something real. It did so much damage that I've essentially wasted a huge part of my life completely unnecessarily in trying to compensate for it. I hope i can save my kids from having to go through anything like it but I'm very worried that it might not be within my power.

[@Hopeofmen]

You can do it, you just need to keep the faith and move forward.

[@fakename3208]

I think this is when you need to turn back to God. The Church is always willing to take you back. Here you will find purpose and meaning and ritual and structure. The Church resists the culture (even nowadays when it seems like it is caving, it’s core will never fail).

[@smfe]

@@fakename3208 But what if as far back as you can research your family was secular Jews/Unitarian Freethinkers? Literally nothing there.

[@sexmansex4776]

@@smfe לך לבית כנסת, יש לך שמה מסורת שהתקיימה מאז תחילת עידן הברזל שמה. רק תשאר רחוק ממקומות של חרדים כי הם מעוותים את היהדות למעין כת מתועבת בימים האלו, עדיף לך להיות עם יהודים אמיתיים.

[@freedomgoddess]

the first half of your comment sounds soy. but that's actually right, correct even. ...and you then start the second half of your comment correctly, in absolute terms. if you think something has been taken from you, something that everyone should have, then you must do your best for your people, the people that come after you, so that they can have what you did not. do your best, anon! i believe in you.

[@dontyouhigh]

>filming inside a car without pointing to the camera shouting "lets find out"

[@heelstevenmaggle5615]

*BURTZUM!*

[@FourOfClubs]

There are people who identify with the websites and forums they browse. They make it a big part of their selves. "I am a /pol/ user. I browse 4chan, that makes me better than a redditor! Haha stupid normies!" Or whatever. Truly pathetic, isn't it?

[@Darth_Insidious]

There are also people who identify with the lifestyle of their parents. They do their best to be clones of their ancestors even amongst changing tides. "I am a English Catholic. I am very in touch with the traditions of my ancestors. I went to a catholic college like my father did, only now I'm in crippling debt. By golly I'm thankful I have tradition though, unlike those ignorant bugmen!" Or whatever. That's pathetic too, isn't it? Whether it be traditional label or internet label, they are sheep unless they make their beliefs for themselves, go beyond labels and practice real self reflection.

[@saeedbaig4249]

@@Darth_Insidious Agreed - blindly being a bugman for tradition is no more impressive than blindly being a bugman for pop culture. Believe/enjoy whatever resonates with you, regardless of what others may label you as.

[@joshjonson2368]

@@saeedbaig4249 and 90% of the time, 90% of ppl just wanna be bugmen

[@gamagama69]

i mean ig idk am kinda a typical libsoy and im trying to because a more well roundef grass tpuching individual. im trying to maintain my relationships, with friends and family

[@MattTheriot]

"Deconstruct it" We deconstruct food all the time the output is literal feces.

Bad example as the output is actually life-sustaining energy, plus feces

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

Have you noticed now that everything has to be a "community" - the "LGBT community", the "black community", the "Linux community", the "gaming community", etc., etc. All of these have their own unelected leaders who speak on behalf of their "community", and it is assumed that if you are/like any of the things that are "communities" then you implicitly support and agree with 100% of what these 'leaders' say. I just want to like something without being forced to be part of some "community" that wants to speak on my behalf.

[@medleysa]

So just like it and ignore what others think

[@propertarian485]

Get off social media asap and you'll slowly become a real human being with original thoughts, does wonders for your mental health

[@nomore9004]

Abolish the communities

[@X4R2]

@@nomore9004, communities are based on interactions, and we would not have a lot of awesome things without interaction.

[@Primatenate88]

Almost like people have forgotten the difference between clubs and communities. We're socially starving lazy fat oversensitive hermits who crave validation as if it could replace wholesome in-person human friendships. Civilization is rotting and weak minded individuals will push the narrative down every throat until hell freezes over.

[@justken1337]

Thanks Varg, very cool!

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Fuckin love Varg

[@nomore9004]

@@InhabitantOfOddworld Who's this "Varg"?

[@AngloSaxonElf]

@@nomore9004 Varg Vikernes. Search for "Thulean Perspective" reuploads on KZbin.

[@cookiedestroyer402]

What if your parents were boomer bugmen who deconstructed what came before them? How can a person return to tradition when there have been 1 or 2 generations of severed connection?

[@testtube70]

Old books mostly. Anything you can learn about the past and the people of the past.

[@rangerbs08]

Exactly. How do you reconnect with your roots if you where not the one who cut them? Learning about past traditions will never give you the same connection to them as having them be practised by your family.

[@p_serdiuk]

You make your own family a starting point of a new tradition, based on what is going on in your society and on elements of other cultures that you like. It's difficult, but doable.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

You're really asking that in the internet age? Your resources are nigh infinite. Any form of traditionalism you want is easily found. Paganism, you got it. Orthodox catholics, you betcha. Traditionalist philosophies? Evola and Spengler are your boi's. Of course, that's leans a little too much toward autistic bugman. So you gotta find people of similar mindset. Socialise. Plenty online, that's for certain. Locally, best scoping out your local church. Sure, you might well be the youngest guy in the room if you're a Zoomer or otherwise have an aging parish, but those pockets of tradition do exist. I myself was fortunate to have a family that preserved tradition. My maternal grandparents are Irish catholics. That was the strain of Trad I was mostly cosy with. As much as I respect Varg, scrambling in the dirt LARPing as a 9th Century Nordic peasant isn't my cup of tea. I still share his political worldview though.

[@nexus2574]

Make your own based on what came before. Research your lineage and see what your ancestors did.

[@robertoyungfang]

WTF Luke? being a bugman is my will and you question it?!?!?!

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

Ay Varg!

[@Acampandoconfrikis]

I might be a bugmen. But i identify myself as a luke smith content enjoyer

[@grandcross4290]

Bugthey/them

[@MK_ULTRA420]

The easiest way to tell if you're a bugman is if you don't understand why America has the Second Amendment. Bugmen don't have a fight response, only flight.

[@adrianafamilymember6427]

@@grandcross4290 joe/Biden Joe Biden wake up....

[@abstractapproach634]

He makes it overly broad, what's it even have to do with bugs? There are people that eat crickets and feel less than human for being of Caucasian decent. So blue pilled and played by global warming they don't have kids and believe thus way if life to be more noble than getting the proper minerals, vitamins, fats, proteins, amount of ATP produced, and H²O for you abd yours and ensuring such for the future in a way that increases value through voluntary trade and hard work.

[@CarTM]

Imagine if you aspired to acquire a degree in the law when suddenly your country leaves a major economic and political union which has defined your countries legal philosophy since the 20th century. Now your law degree is useless, your dream is crushed and your life is destroyed. As a big man would call it, "skill issue"

[@stumbling]

Tattoos are popular among the bugmen.

[@humanrays]

People have been drawing pictures on their skin for ass long time. Sure a Pickle Rick tattoo has nothing to do with the traditional tattooing that might indicate rank, belonging to a tribe, etc but it's not as though it's a new invention.

[@nexus2574]

"This one means love, but in Chinese"

[@firebladex8586]

as much as beard & problem glasses

[@darthmusturd9526]

@@nexus2574 “no I’m pretty sure that says cheeseburger”

[@demonking86420]

@@nexus2574 I doubt it, looks like "mother" or "cow", tbh it might as well mean both

[@dickdastardly4835]

Varg's accent is really weird in this video.

[@_Pyroon_]

Out of curiosity, wouldn't you all agree (hehe) that this community's tenancy to see themselves as non-normie, non-brainlet chads would be its own sort of hive?

[@Hart501]

Yeah (tee hee) I guess (Ho Ho)

[@theproblemmustbeinyourpant5910]

Depends if you view it as a community. I just watch this guys videos because his insights resonate with the way I see things. I don’t associate with anyone else here, this is my first comment I’ve made on one of these videos haha.

[@zegmakker5869]

I don't see it as much of a community. everyone is just off doing their own thing trying to better themselves. there's very little overlap between you, me and everyone else here.

[@hidesbehindpseudonym1920]

Dude I definitely don't see myself as a chad 😂

[@smittyflufferson1299]

@@zegmakker5869 "Independent free thinkers" who have nothing in common but all just so happen to agree with one dude's somewhat controversial opinions. That's not a bad thing but y'all have a lot in common

[@deandesoto1609]

Becoming a bugman is a worse fate than what happened to the protagonist in I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

[@deandesoto1609]

@@mumbomojo579 You're super late bro, irrelevant reply

[@troglodyte1052]

Depends on what you value. Many of them are happy.

[@tavelkyosoba]

things you choose to identify with: vapid and stupid things you are told to identify with: deeply meaningful got it. tradition is inherently meaningful because...reasons.

[@johnmaltz7165]

i wonder whats deeply meaningful

[@freddy4603]

This isn't the video the video thats meant to explain _why_ being a "bugman" is bad, this is the video thats meant to explain _what_ a bugmen is. And if you see no meaning in the traditions that got your ancestors through the toughest of times, then go study them. Smart man pays for his lessons, wise man learns the lessons others paid for.

[@stumbling]

"Bugman" sounds like a very 90's stoner kind of insult.

[@miguelbustamante5271]

@@LiamPorterFilms >124K subs >Reject Nice try

[@franciscosantiago4921]

@@LiamPorterFilms I only hear winners use the term bugman.

[@thedude9001]

@@LiamPorterFilms L

[@ryanpaul1403]

@@miguelbustamante5271 Appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy.

[@khlorghaal]

Freedom to choose culture is inherently good, as long as people actually benefit from it and interact with other practitioners, instead of claiming it as a twitter-bio.

[@iluvmusicqwe]

social media is accelerating the destruction of western society at supersonic proportions.

[@andrewhooper7603]

@@iluvmusicqwe then it was too weak to survive.

[@daniel5730]

You can't really choose a culture

[@andrewhooper7603]

@@daniel5730 If you see cultures as mutually exclusive entities with a defined set of immutable qualities, sure. But that's not how reality works and you are free to partake in any activity that isn't restricted by the laws of physics.

[@alternateperson6600]

​@@andrewhooper7603 cultures aren't mutually exclusive, but you can't just "choose" a culture. Culture has an implicit purpose to which it's geared; you don't just adopt a culture on a whim, for then it'd have no relation to anything else you do and thus not allow itself to continue and grow in the manner you've appropriated it. "Choosing" cultures like it's clothing when you have no intrinsic connection to it and no real motivation to do so is unfruitful.

[@chbrules]

So post-modernism in a nutshell

[@chbrules]

@@Joshlul Post-modernism is a critique on modernism, begging the question of what is truth, meaning, and morality. The question is proper, the problem is, post-modernism is a pile of horse shit that reveals no new knowledge nor a reasonable critique of said fields. It's a fucking joke is what it is. Nihilism meets masturbatory thought experiments.

[@wezzuh2482]

*Post-modernity, actually (not -ism). The bugman is basically the post-modern subject par excellence.

[@konstantinrebrov675]

I don't know what that means.

[@thoalis4325]

An old buddy of mine turned into a bugman I think. We didn't talk for years and the first words he said to me is "Well you know I'm a Marxist."

[@GreedAndSelfishness]

Brutal.

[@5uperM]

I'd say bug men are humans that haven't evolved to have imagination.

[@branislavgrujin]

cars are bloat

[@douwehuysmans5959]

Engine, chassis, transmission, wheels, steering wheel and some rc scripts

[@branislavgrujin]

Just walking you fucks

[@oregano754]

The bicycle is the second most important piece of technology a individual should own, next to their thinkpad. Why you ask? The reasons are many, but here is a short summary. Firstly, and most importantly, the bike is the only free form of transport left. Free as in free speech, not free beer. With public transport, you are cucked by a time table. You can't go anywhere on a whim. Public transport in big cities is littered with tracking and surveillance. For example, in the London underground anon smart cards are being phased out in favour of contactless credit cards so the operators know who you are, when you travel, what station you enter and exit from; not to mention the huge array of CCTV. You are being driven as opposed to being the driver, the ultimate cuckery. With a bike, you jump on whenever you want - 3am, Christmas - and go where you want. With a car, the state forces you to license it. Your car must be labelled with a cuck identification number, and you are forced to pay insurance by law. A bike is free, you ride it without any kind of state intervention, you can truly feel the freedom blowing through your hair. Modern cars tend to follow the closed source analogy, the engines are ever more controlled by proprietary software. You can only get them repaired at authorised garages, even older cars which are more maintainer friendly have a high learning curve to be able to self maintain, and parts are expensive. Anyone can learn to maintain a bike, and parts are cheap. The mechanism is also very simple so anyone can learn how they work from the ground up. A bike will keep your body chiselled, mind sharp, and spirit free.

[@Marcosvinicius-im2jt]

True mans don't use vehicles they just walk

[@excitableboy7031]

Someone had to say it. Public transit is the best

[@UCFc1XDsWoHaZmXom2KVxvuA]

Omg luke has a car wtf i thought he used arch

[@camthesaxman3387]

I bet he installed Arch on his car.

[@TransoceanicOutreach]

Came here to find out what a bugman was, and now I want those nine minutes back. He literally ended it with 'they're really just lame, thats what I'm trying to say'. Incredible wisdom.

[@NF12222]

Sounds more like you have a listening problem lol

[@tekrit3249]

it's a bipedal cockroach, retard x33

[@desktorp]

The Curse of Modernity by Dr. L.M. Smith Chapter 1: The Bugman Menace

[@sadsackkvisling9694]

"Muh Deadpool Cummix"

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

He should call it "My Struggle". Would do well in Germany

[@user-ju6zx3rm8d]

would read ngl

[@Rosu2022]

"Why spend time looking at statistics when the truth is already in front of you?"

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

"just look in the mirror, you will know your roots"

[@wiiman4467]

WTF I love Anarcho-syndicalism now.

[@tent405]

just wait till you find out about stoicism

[@tellmey1]

@@tent405 oh no. is this also bugman ideology? I've begun to like it somehow

[@ffhuii779]

Fascism is born from anarcho-syndicalism for what it's worth, Georges Sorel in particular

[@aktuellyattee8265]

I think your analysis is pretty spot on, bugmen falsely yet insistently believe themselves to be individual and "original" through consuming whatever mass-produced schlock the companies put on his plate. Ironically this kind of existence renders less freedom than the traditions which the bugman decries as 'dogmatic' since it gives no truth. It is also often far more dogmatic, and in a grander sense also more controlling.

[@alpharoo2581]

The perfect profile picture to accompany this comment

[@douwehuysmans5959]

Indeed folks, be a normie

[@conceptofeverything8793]

Normies don't exist. These were invented to shackle the cultural revolution of a post boomer society and put it on technocratic rails. Post soviet countries confirm. The doomers are the side effect.

[@javidfarhan1675]

Nah, I am not gonna take this advice. I'm gonna continue trying to convert to PDF.

[@drstrangecoin6050]

Another thing to really note, and you touch on here, is that bugmen have plenty of declarative knowledge but very little imperative knowledge. If you have a lot of memorized declarative knowledge but no ability to perform on it, then it's just a mess of trivia.

[@beerbatov]

totally true

[@hidesbehindpseudonym1920]

Trivia games are fun as hell

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 Good, now eat your grains. MMMMMM

[@yobased2872]

Deracinated, high IQ word right there.

[@johnibambohni]

I want to clarify: You don't have to be in line with the traditions of your family in order not to be a bugman! You can, of course, make up your own mind and build up your own indentity (and traditions as well). Just do not base them on things that don't matter.

[@addish5022]

But what is it that matters and does not matter?

[@johnibambohni]

​@@addish5022 Good question! - I think, I explicitly did not put any details in my comment. On the one hand, Luke made his points in the video about the things that do not matter (consooming and such). On the other hand, I wrote my comment as I did not agree with him when he was hinting at his belief in god. And of course: Change should be allowed; therefore, you do not have to replicate all the (hundreds (or tens) of years old) traditions of your family, I think. So, to get to the point of your question: To work on oneself and at the same time to be benevolent and kind to one's fellow human beings, as well as caring for the animals and the environment. - This is what I would call a meaningful life. - What is beneficial to that matters; and what is detrimental does not.

[@Darth_Insidious]

We already have a word for bugmen. Sheep. Those who follow the words of another because they choose not to think for themselves. Labels are there to put you in a box so you can be controlled. Luke through his worship of tradition uses bugman as a word for the sheep in the other herd.

[@FaryaWolyo_]

@@Darth_Insidious Well put. I think Luke makes decent videos, especially on software and hardware, but this insistence on tradition put me off from matters of their personal perspective. Like someone is simply misguided if they don't fall in line. Cause and values predetermined, sounds kind of like a bug life to me.

[@sietsejohannes]

@@Darth_Insidious 'Sheep' is a different insult. All cultures throughout history have had 'sheep' who mindlessly followed their leaders. 'Bugmen' who choose their own identity based on meaningless things are a uniquely modern phenomenon

[@MarkJay]

Just return to monke

[@tailsonrails]

I met a girl last year who stated she was "raised vegetarian" (her words). Turns out this was her only significant personality trait. Waiting for her to become a bug woman.

[@saeedbaig4249]

And yet, is that not her tradition? What her family raised her as? Would it be any more admirable or free-thinking if her only personality trait was "raised carpenter" or "raised Christian" (though those may be more useful)? You can believe/enjoy whatever you want (in fact you *should* believe/enjoy the things that resonate with you, regardless of what others may label you as), but blindly being a bugman for tradition is little more impressive than blindly being a bugman for pop-culture.

[@FaryaWolyo_]

I guess I'm a bugman. I do not see purpose in living a life of tradition simply because you have found it agreeable. There is no overall "point" to life; meaning is imposed, not inherent, so it can't be "missed" as you describe. This does not mean I have fooled myself into identifying with hobbies or interests, they make up a bit of me, just as they do anyone else. Even if my associations were more extreme, I don't see how culture that you've abstracted from long-dead ancestors somehow amounts to more of a personality than the 14 y/o who just learned political alignments. It reeks of cyclical nothingness to me. Do what you're told. Like the things you've been told represent objective good, dislike the things you've been told are bad. Use the voice of your forefathers to feel justified in a non-thought. Have kids, and teach them the same thing, so that they can do exactly what you did. Relearning the same minutiae. It's life on a fucking flow-chart. I would rather believe nothing than take either option presented. I am me, and me is not much, but that is acceptable. Not good, not bad, it simply is. I'm not the 4000 years that led up to me, and I'm not scrambling to find out my exact political classification. I am almost nothing, and that is okay. It makes more sense, anyway. I'm not fooling myself into thinking I'm more. Damn, that was a deconstructive rant. I guess that makes me "an autist," huh.

[@Fantersam]

Right on. Glad someone sees through this

[@pleasedont140]

Ok bugman

[@MK_ULTRA420]

"Do what you're told. Like the things you've been told represent objective good, dislike the things you've been told are bad. Use the voice of your forefathers to feel justified in a non-thought. Have kids, and teach them the same thing, so that they can do exactly what you did. Relearning the same minutiae. It's life on a fucking flow-chart." This is what bugmen genuinely believe is the right way to live life, so you're probably still human. Some of them don't even have an internal voice so they'll ask a left-wing twitch streamer for advice instead.

[@daniel5730]

Thanks Schopenhauer/Logotti

[@johnmaltz7165]

tldr and nobody asked

[@grapeboi9256]

But what if my family was extremely abusive? I had no choice but to abandon it and choose to come into my own.

[@scr4932]

When parents reject their children and allow electronic devices, the educational system and their peer groups to raise them instead, the next generations will have nothing to be except bugmen. I feel detached from my roots even though I've never actively tried to uproot myself. I see myself as a nobody so I define myself with what I do and what I think instead.

[@annihilation777]

This is very common among men who were raised by boomers. Parents who "hoped for the best" when having kids. Parents who sleepwalk into having children will raise bugmen. Many millennials with boomer parents grow up feeling like they are their own dad. Because the person who should have been showing them the ropes, as in virtues and values simply didn't and left them to be raised by subversive media.

[@scr4932]

@@annihilation777 Speaking of which, my father actually prides himself on not having interacted with me much so as not to mess with my life. It's probably not a boomer thing in this case because I'm not from the USA, but still...

[@redtsun67]

I identify as an alcoholic who is dead inside

[@akhelundar931]

"Everyone has bugmen aspects" Thats pretty based ngl.

[@sananton2821]

This entire rant is a massive exercise in self-contradiction.

[@gen-zboomer]

Troons are ultimate bug people.

[@LEVONGYUMISHYAN]

So Kurt Cobain was a bugman

[@Barbarossa97]

The proto bugman

[@Headcrabman9999]

Thank you, Mr. Peterson. Very informative.

[@tellmey1]

my parents are lost souls, no traditions, nothing. Rootless people, living far away from their relatives, having no friends and not even from same race. I don't even know what I'm doing here

[@trashketchum9782]

>bald >patchy beard >compound eyes looks like we’re taking advice on how not to be a bugman, from a bugman

[@taterc229]

life is full of little ironies

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Basicly this guy just Basicly said don't try anything new. Whatever you are born with you should stick to it and never do anything different

[@Darth_Insidious]

He really is just a Bugman for tradition. He tries to rationalize the value of tradition through survival of the fittest, and like a little worker ant lashes out at other colonies of bugmen. "Bugmen cannot survive without a hive." Just like tradition cannot survive without a family or community. Luke is somewhat right in his criticism but uses it to coax you back into the hive of your parents. True freedom is to not let labels define you, to decide what you believe in and what traditions you want to keep for yourself. Don't let anyone else tell you what to be, and that includes radically changing your life because of a KZbin video or comment. Think on it, take what you like, discard the rest.

[@BR0984]

@@Darth_Insidious true freedom is sleeping with unteraged girls and dying from überdose in the ripe age of 40

[@joshjonson2368]

@@Darth_Insidious yes, and most plebs will see this and decide to become a mlp coomer, because most ppl are npcs by birth

[@freezybiscuit]

I met a bugman recently, he was so into Christianity, even though neither his parents or grandparents were Christians (they weren't for sure) and his complete personality is made about he is a Christian now. I have to say it is weird because he was like a "rational scientific" bugman and now he is a "conservative Christian" bugman.

[@isambo400]

Based

[@missingno88]

Bugman Christian is a bit of an oxymoron dude lol

[@dickyboi4956]

@@missingno88 I live in a pretty christian place and honestly yea a lot of "christian" people could probably be a kind of country bugman. No interest in actually understanding the faith (which I have dropped) or actually getting involved in their community or living christlike, just going to church to clap for 1 and a half hours, shake hands, and go home. All they talk about is their job and they have basically no hobbies, etc. Its weird

[@lanadoesathing]

That’s the good kind of bug man. The kind I am and am proud of being. Religion, properly understood, unlike the other things mentioned in this video (such as video games, movies, political ideology) actually deals with transcendent topics and the fundamental meaning of humanity. In other words, stuff that actually matters. If we’re going to stick with a bug analogy, comparing a religious bugman to a secular bugman that is defined by his hobbies, is like comparing a praying mantis to a housefly, respectively. One is independent, graceful, and a competent hunter, the other swarms around trash cans and eats literal 💩.

[@lanadoesathing]

Also, I’m a Christian, and none of my parents or grandparents are Christians, so that comment kinda hits where it hurts most. Ouch. 😬

[@bedro_0]

In my opinion, identifying oneself using the aspects of tradition is just as arbitrary as any other things that he listed here. Future is now, based linux man.

[@hidesbehindpseudonym1920]

I honestly thought that this was a software thing about developers who introduced a lot of bugs into their code.

[@chaoy22]

I thought it was going to be a video about programming mindets, instead I got called autistic and got made to think!

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

Urban dictionary has a pretty good definition www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bugman But you're right - it's about being a rootless cosmopolitan with no culture.

[@sauron1427]

Of course going against tradition just for the sake of it doesn't make a lot of sense, but surely there can be things you disagree with about your "heritage" - and vice versa sticking with an idea just because "it has always been that way" can be harmful to yourself and sometimes others in the face of a world that constantly changes. As Linux/BSD users we can all count on at least ONE example where going with the flow may not be the best idea... that doesn't mean our entire identity must be shaped by being Linux users.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

I don't think anyone reverting to their tradition today does so out of "well that's the way it is". If that was their attitude, they'd remain as modern bugmen. No, they go back to the tradition because they know it's damn well better than this hollow shell of a civilisation we exist in today

[@snowfrosty1]

Minutemen Revival Exactly, although we should all proceed with caution and be as informed as we can be in doing so. For modern 'Western' individuals and populaces(for starters) who wish to "revert back to reasonable traditionalism" it's paramount not to fall for facades, historical flukes or half-hearted BS. For example, 1950's American+Canadian pseudo-conservatism WASN'T actual 'Western' traditionalism, no matter what the bugmen and divorced rape cuckservatives exclaim.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

@Bantirat Assumption implies an untested hypothesis. This is not so. Tradition is demonstrably better.

[@Darth_Insidious]

Luke, don't be a Bugman for tradition. You try to rationalize the value of tradition through survival of the fittest, and like a little worker ant lash out at other colonies of bugmen. "Bugmen cannot survive without a hive." Just like tradition cannot survive without a family or community. You are somewhat right in your criticism but use it to coax viewers back into the hive of their parents. True freedom from Bugman mentality is to not let labels define you, to decide what you believe in and what traditions you want to keep for yourself. Leave the hive of your parents like an eagle leaves it's nest. Don't let anyone else tell you what to be, and that includes radically changing your life because of a KZbin video or comment. Think on it, take what you like, discard the rest.

[@CarTM]

You are so stupid i don't even know what to say. I've seen some of your comments and they're just attention seeking garbage that doesn't mean anything. Like this comment for example, it contradicts itself in many ways but here you are posting it anyways even though it means nothing if it contradicts it's self. Are you stupid on purpose?

[@Darth_Insidious]

@@CarTM If you don't know what to say, then don't say anything. Insults and vague gesturing merely at the existence of flawed arguments are common garbage that waste people's time. If you know so much then either set me straight or shut up. My argument without all the embellishments is this. My understanding of bugmen at the time was someone who takes manufactured identities and makes it thier whole personality. Someone who molds themselves into the perfect little worker drone for their company or perfectly complacent consumer of pop culture crap. Bugmen in my mind were people who never looked inward, always accepted the propaganda around them at face value. Which an appeal to tradition is an example of. Tradition is framed here like it's supposed to be accepted at face value, like it has some grand, mysterious wisdom to it. It's not, it's just random cultural artifacts that are created and passed down. Some of those artifacts are useful, some neutral, some harmful, and some are so harmful as to have been quickly discarded. But many of the harmful ones still persist without introspection. Implying that tradition = good isn't the solution to a lack of critical thinking in our society, it's just another way to avoid doing what is necessary to live a full life. The ideal person would continually evaluate different aspects of their life, using the life experiences of themselves and others, scientific research, and deep introspection to explore the kind of life they want to lead and teach to any children they might have. Let me know how apparently stupid this argument is.

[@mugfuglel7793]

thank you Luke, your speech may sound obvious but my parents never told me something like that, and i never understood how much ignorant my behavior was until few years back! your vids are very important!

[@alkeryn1700]

These people are basically playing wow and building a character.

[@tylerdarroch5512]

A huge trait in bugman is not being aware of or caring about anything that isn't within ones immediate material surroundings

[@OMGITSFULLOFPONIES]

How is identifying with "tradition" not being a bugman?

[@nikitakrim02]

So what you mean is, when you create your own identity its bad.. But when your father spoon feeds you an identity its all fine and dandy. Ok

[@NeckbeardOrigins]

I think you kinda missed the mark here. The term 'Bugman' is loosely based on a passage from Neitchze where he compared Chinese society to that of an ant hive, and says that the Chinese are insect like. In it's modern form, though, the term Bugman is basically Neitzche's 'Last Man' from the prologue to Thus Spoke Zarathustra. This 'Last Man' is mostly a critique of modern Christian man. So, I think your way of framing it as rational vs. religious or athiest vs. Christian is flat out wrong. Most athiests are in fact Bugmen but so are most Christians, and Christianity itself is a product of Bugman thought. Being a Bugman has less to do with religion and culture and more to do with the pressures of modernity. All in all, love your content, just something to chew on.

[@daniel5730]

Bugman spotted

[@CollectorChronicles]

Great thumbnails choice. I know the guy who drew that. The whole idea of identifying with music goes back quite a few years. I remember people online twenty years ago saying their “hobbies/interests” were the music they listen to or the food they ate. I remember thinking “just say you don’t have any hobbies”.

[@jasonxoc]

Deconstructionists who think they are going against the flow? Here’s my philosophy: Define your own values and really understand the virtues of those values. Then everything that someone says, you take and it push against those values and subscribe to it, add distinction or throw it out. I’m terrified of anyone who subscribes 100% to anything that anyone else says or does... they’re people without their own distinctions... they’ve adopted other peoples distinctions as their own.

[@tylerchambers6246]

Ayo dawg, it's about the modern man, or bugman's, propensity for constructing his identity through passive characteristics, as opposed to active ones. De-constructive philosophy and critical theory have eroded the cultural basis upon which we had formerly grounded this active power,- a true individuality, an actual 'identity',- or what the Stoics called prohairesis,- a will whose moral reality or 'freedom' is defined by a capacity to assent to or refuse merely sensuous impressions, that is, the secondary characteristics and very passive qualities here discussed, which were named by Epictetus, the phantasiai. Thus we find the polis stretched to its breaking point by an atavistic renewal of the bleakest tribalism; thus we have racial movements, white power and black power, or in all cases, people defining themselves, as an extension of identity-politics, in terms of a passive racial identity for which they cannot take responsibility, insofar as only an individual can take responsibility for his own actions, whereas a group cannot; we have people defining themselves through the media they consume, that is, movies, games, etc.-- team Xbox vs team Playstation vs team PC and whatnot. We have people identifying themselves through these absurd 'fandoms'. The problem with doing that is quite simply: you cannot take responsibility for passive characteristics, only for active ones. You must construct your identity through things you create, not things you consume; through things that you do, not things that you watch; through ideas you develop, not ideas you looked up on Wikipedia one day and thought sounded nice, or which you've been compelled by other people to memorize by route and broadcast over social media, and that to no greater purpose than getting some likes, a thumbs up, and your daily dopamine-hit. The purpose of a tradition, or a national ethos, (for example, the American ethos, involving a healthy distrust of big government, and a kind of metaphysical justification,- going all the way back to the Platonic conceptualization of the Republic, or more generally, Greek theories of government- of ideas like natural right, like personal liberty, or free speech,- rights that we've established, not as political conventions or merely practical niceties of the social contract, but in terms of a philosophy, namely as immutable dispensations from the hand of 'either God or Nature', in the expression of our Founders, as opposed to those 'rights' framed after the European model, which function as basically nothing more than tentative privileges the State can choose to modify, or entirely take away, at any point it wishes, and for whatever reason those in power might fabricate) is to give a human being a stable basis to begin developing an active identity,- an identity for which he can come to actually take responsibility, thereby investing to it a deeper moral reality. For such an identity is not arrived upon randomly. Our cultural inheritance (our histories, our literature, our religious texts, etc.) provides the raw material necessary to create something, as opposed to merely consume; to act, instead of being acted upon; to think, instead of repeat; to endow Being to what we Do,- to our Becoming, and Becoming to our Being. Well, it did provide that, once upon a time. It doesn't much anymore, because Leftist thought, which strictly defines all social hierarchy (traditions, like those about which we are now speaking, as well as biologically emergent hierarchies like gender roles) as intrinsically disproportionate and unequal,- as so much of a 'false-consciousness', citing the Marxist lexicon, that is, a delusion, falsehood, and injustice,- has of course been hard at word on the task of de-constructing all such hierarchies, in order to give birth to a new world in which all actively constructed identity is condemned as an aggression,- as an intrinsically oppressive and immoral imposition of one man upon another, insofar as it implies,- to the mind of those inspired by such pretensions to revolutionary consciousness,- in raising one individual up through the ranks of a given hierarchy,- as he successfully affirms his own individuality and worth to the greater society through it,- the diminishing of another's rank; a new world, in which all identity is passively conditioned by a supposedly universal, inclusive, 'border-less' species-essence, as Marx called it, and therefor reduced to a mere gesture, a metagame, or, to use blunter and more modern language, a 'virtue signal'.

[@johnlennonsonichumedallion2677]

Good read 8\10 some parts I disagree with

[@tylerchambers6246]

@@johnlennonsonichumedallion2677 I disagree with some parts of it too, I also give it an 8 out of 10. Let's say, 8.5 out of ten.

[@johnlennonsonichumedallion2677]

@@tylerchambers6246 yep can't believe I used to be a Redditer

[@iluvmusicqwe]

@@johnlennonsonichumedallion2677 every time I read a comment or post on Reddit I get this image in my head. The same one which I can never get out of my head of the modern bug man sort, it’s hard to explain. It’s something about the pretentious tone and hive mind they have and completely unfunny sense of humour. The way comments seem to be left for the purpose of getting up votes and that dopamine hit it brings, not to add value or discussion. Forums seem to attract a different sort of character, a bit more real and connected to reality.

[@johnlennonsonichumedallion2677]

@@iluvmusicqwe I think Redditers have this problem were they identifying with a thing or a subject so much that if you don't like the thing or disagree with a Redditers opinion on the subject you will get downvoted and Redditers identify with things you shouldn't identify with like for example r\lewronggeneration I mean who really cares about wrong gen kids there are just dumb kids or teens going through phases in there life that they will eventually grow out of in days or months or in some cases years that's most pathetic thing a Reddit bug-man can identify with so that's why I think Redditers are there on sub bug-man

[@VBYTP]

After this there's going to be people identifying as bugmen

[@daniel5730]

Comments full of em

[@iluvmusicqwe]

I think my friend is a bug man, not politically or philosophically but his obsession with consumption. Makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I was talking to him about how I needed to buy a new phone and I mentioned I wanted to get the normal iPhone 11, he then goes on about how I should get the pro because it has a better screen and an extra zoom camera. I told him it’s unnecessary for me and I’m thinking to myself why the fuck does it matter, you never use those useless functions yourself and you know I wouldn’t. Same thing when I mentioned I needed a new computer for my business. I just wanted a computer for browsing, word documents and light editing if I have to. Says I should get the latest gpu and spend $400 more. Jesus Christ.

[@Usertrappedindatabase]

Window goes up. **oh shit, he’s going all out** Papa Smith is the friendly reminder I want to move out of California, it’s like the freaking bug planet in Starship Troopers.

[@ezu5131]

Is not being a bugman as simple as identifying with what you do and fulfilling that purpose? Also what you're describing is just a reiteration of Nietzche's last man (vs. the ubermensch) you baka

[@johnfist6220]

As an autist and bugman, the reason I'm not interested in the social aspect of going to church is that I want to build authentic connections with people and not false connections based on pretending to believe in things that I don't.

[@greekmacedonianwegreeksare6035]

What's wrong with identifying with 2000s and the music you listened in high school? He needs to define "tradition" as well. You mean the Orthodox "Greek" Christianity, a Judeo-Oriental religion and sociopolutical imposed to my ancestors? And now in fact the same Orthodox "Greek" Church literally re-annoys me by re-blasting their noisy megaphones at obboxiously high decibel at their environment and they stuff them inside like the the mafia in their hole of bricks? The same Church that sickly assimilated my ancestors to the multiracial pot of Neogreeks with no genetic consistency with hysterically neuroric control-freak priest obsessively screaming "UR GREEKZ UR GREEKZ!!! THE DESCENDANTS OF ARISTOLE UR GREEKZ UR GREEKZ" and called my language and culture "sorbid and barbaric"? The same RACIST and ethnically discriminating Church! I don't care if people go to church, but we are literally not obligated to be re-annoyed by the crazy goat-priests screaming through megaphones especially since we live in a world where we actually need to systematically concetrate, study and finish deadlines, exams and a pile of sheets of paper.

[@joanneortiz3251]

I don't really get what you mean. People have always identified strongly with things and who we are and the culture we identify with isn't some immutable thing, people have always changed it to some degree generation to generation. Idk, maybe I'm just missing your point.

[@drakedorosh9332]

A bug is a listening device that is small and improvised so that it looks like a bug. So if you're a bug man you accept state and corporate surveillance and live with the opposite of privacy.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

"So if you're a bug man you accept state and corporate surveillance and live with the opposite of privacy." Peak Chinese lifestyle

[@Darth_Insidious]

The irony of this video is that bugmen is a label used to define people who use labels to define people.

[@sum1337]

thats what i had in mind too... you know the type of ppl who think like that : '' you shouldn't be concerned about this if you have nothing to hide ''

[@malcolmbeverly8967]

I agree with the main point of the video, about bugmen and their pseudo-individualism, but I don’t understand exactly what was meant by the term “traditions”. It’s a very vague word that was given no explanation here. It sounds like traditions in this case are just whatever you think is best, though I might’ve missed the mark.

[@iluvmusicqwe]

Things past down generations personally or at least locally. Not across the world without that bridge.

[@konstantinrebrov675]

Take for example Japanese traditions, it's a combination of food, art, architecture, clothing, aesthetics, philosophy, how you act, how you carry yourself, martial arts. Basically someone who is into Japanese traditions wears, walks, talks, and lives a lifestyle imitating the shogunate. Living in a Japanese country house, growing daikon in the garden, practicing martial arts like a samurai, very much into tradtiional Japanese arts and crafts such as origami, etc.

[@simonweinrich798]

Carl jung calls bugmen pseudo modern. Jung being Jung, of course has a lot of based takes on bugmen.

[@tsunamio7750]

4:40 "All of us have Bugman aspects." - Luke Smith on the original sin of man, drawn to the insect life despite his mammalian lineage.

[@idklol4197]

OH YOU'RE JUST BLAHBLAHBLAH

[@alexis3170]

I don't remember your opinion concerning postmodern philosophers, but this video reminded me a lot of Deleuzes' take on Lacan's theory of schizophrenia. To vulgarly paraphrase some words I read: At the individual level, before capitalism what used to constitute one's personality as a coherent narrative (the self, religion, nationality...) is now replaced by a collection of independent short lived egos (whatever bugmen identify themselves with in advertising, pop culture, netflix and so on). The individual of late capitalism is therefore incapable of forming a long term coherent personality, he will short live whatever is being bite sized fed to him at any given instant by the omnipresent media machine. To summarize, it is the loss of personality as a whole in favor of a collection of decoupled "ersatz" signifiers. This is then extended by Deleuze to the societal level, what used to bind individuals together to form a community or a nation, is torn apart by the commodification of tradition, culture, marriage, religion, sex and basically any aspect or institution apart from the state, which capitalism actually relies on for stuff such as regulations and laws for the uninterrupted circulation of merchandise. Further down the video I noticed you used the word 'derracinated' which is awfully similar to what Deleuze calls deterritorialization, so maybe you did make this video based on that after all. cheers, boomer

[@antonandraslindamoodwhite5407]

so basically bugmen are just hipsters

[@Darth_Insidious]

The irony of this video is that bugmen is a label used to define people who use labels to define people.

[@matthew-dq8vk]

Eh, i watched it all the way through. It really Just seems like this guy's definition for the term "bugman" is anybody who isn't into a traditional lifestyle or tuned into the mystical esoteric side of life. I know plenty of college educated people who are really earthly and not into religion or mysticism or tradition and are very happy with families of their own. I also know people who are into those things who are equally as happy. I don't think this guy's theory that being too rational or earthly leads to ruination or stagnation in someone's life is correct. Just another case of "Why, what I don't like is bad and stupid"

[@zell4412]

⁠@@matthew-dq8vkno fr this take is so fuckin weird- hes just trying to pile on another buzzword to justify hatred of particular groups of ppl he doesnt like. cuz those ppl are clearly bad since they dont follow in his “traditional” ways

Well, as soon as someone says he is an anarcho-syndicalist, you know not to take him seriously.

[@akshay-kumar-007]

absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add something that is essentially your own - Bruce Lee.

[@greenghostman174]

This was a great explanation. I was trying to learn what it meant and written explanations weren’t doing it for me. I also discovered a word that encapsulates a friend of mine that I never had a word to describe.

[@PK-we6vk]

Bugmen is the definition of people who are programmed to say nice when they see the number 69 or when someone says nice in reddit comments.

[@19mduffy]

Im a bugman who's personality precipitates on the hatred of bugmen.

[@hokkypro]

Luke thanks for your videos, love em!

[@yourwifesboyfriend1948]

So basically just Vegan Gains...

[@whirled_peas]

The bugman is a fascinating archetype. It’s quite complex yet increasingly common.

[@DaRkShadOwxXx14]

I'd ratter be a bugman than an NPC

[@honoraryanglo2929]

I was on the verge of becoming a bugman when binge watching youtube

[@jonathanwilkinson4299]

Hmm, I never heard of a Bugman before. Sounds interesting.

[@Tarik360]

Recently when I finally got employed and stopped struggling for getting a job, I've been on a never ending "deconstruct everything" mode. It annoys me, gonna get therapy and sort it out, no drugs, just a chat with whoever is unlucky enough to hear me.

[@prometheus6474]

Which tradition does one follow when one's ethnicity is mixed? Asking for a friend, of course.

[@gildef21]

Depends on how mixed the person is and mainly with side he identifies more with.

[@prometheus6474]

That's so arbitrary. Can identify with anything.

[@jonathanhipkey2425]

which one were you raised with or closer to?

[@konstantinrebrov675]

Whichever one you pick, maybe even both. For example if you're half Arabic and half Thai, then you can pick both of your traditions. You can even pick a tradtition that you weren't raised with, such as Japanese tradition for example. You can find it on the internet.

[@prometheus6474]

​@@konstantinrebrov675see, the way you word it makes it feel like a LARP - like a DND thing, something to pretend along to. It makes you question whether the whole thing isn't fake to begin with if you can just pick anything. There's something real to it though but it escapes me at the moment. How about this maybe - "an act that you know you can pull off, even if challenged"

[@kasandrayabelyusua8942]

de waarheid is een nieuw woord voor mij. maar ik onderzoek het onderwerp al grondig, en hoe zielig om te leven als een bugman. Het zijn oppervlakkige mensen met een lege geest. Het zijn mensen die liefde nodig hebben. bedankt voor de. informatie dit maakt deel uit van de actualiteit. Ik mis je zo erg, mijn vriend.

[@jasperzanjani]

Bugmen were waiting for someone to t-bone Luke's car (on the driver's side no less)

[@eggplantbren]

You might enjoy The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. I covers this kind of thing really well. You can find audio versions on KZbin and it's really short.

[@shotybumbati]

Traditions only fail once their conditions are curtailed

[@cIoudbank]

These Bug-People have treads with these things too, And identify with. i noticed this with fears people have, just actually making up name of fears and proclaims how interesting they are for the irrational fear.