WHAT IS A KALPA?! The Cyclical Theory of the Universe Explained! | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #23

WELCOME to the Elder Scrolls Podcast with FudgeMuppet. In this episode, Scott, Michael & Drew discuss the infamous KALPA theories & models of understanding.
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[@LimpRichard]

I'm going to laugh so hard when starfield has 12 planets with native sentient life and there are sentient trees on one them

[@RWNetworkEX]

You come across a planet with a stranded Argonian on it

[@GrexTheCrabasitor]

the hist realm from the books?

[@kaiceecrane3884]

In Starfeild the planets are really just realms of Oblivion as they've aged through time; you travel through the space between worlds, where no mortal dares to tread

[@Katini_]

@@kaiceecrane3884 no, not at all.

[@dr0plague]

Oh man that will be so good

[@aa306911]

Vivec has achieved CHIM, escaped the CD drive, and is now the being known as Michael Kirkbride. Confirmed.

[@Renata_Knight]

Love this 🖤

[@Sageofwhat]

Accepted theory.

[@augustus9708]

He should've stayed in the Elder Scrolls multiverse. He left the CD drive just to become a guy who was dropped by Bethesda.

[@reyanshleroy1642]

Instablaster...

[@crystallinecrow3365]

Headcanon accepted

[@whitewolf9088]

"No one plays Morrowind on a CD drive anymore." Me: *awkwardly shoots a look at my CD drive containing Morrowind*

[@OceanBloke]

Haha yeah well its that or backwards compatible on the xbox one 🤫

[@radicalrtatan2019]

We need to contain this "vivec"

[@zeroxssir492]

*sweats and side eyes my Xbox with Morriwind GOTY in the tray* yeaahhh.... no onneee...

[@italianviking8849]

Strangely enough when I read this comment Scott literally just said it while I was reading, I shit you not....

[@d7659]

What if each Kalpa starts whenever the Godhead lies down to sleep and "side-stepping" is how they stay in its subconscious.

[@Mohawks_and_Tomahawks]

I like this theory

[@alexanderofrhodes9622]

The Godhead goes to sleep and the crazy thoughts right before he slips off is the Dawn Era The Dream plays out, getting less and less crazy until the Godhead hits REM sleep and it gets wild again Some time later he wakes up

[@Ren21798]

@@alexanderofrhodes9622 so when todd wakes up its end of the universe and when goes to sleep the new universe is born? is that kalpa?

[@alexanderofrhodes9622]

@@Ren21798 Seems like it, but idk if the the Toddhead is the Godhead

[@HovektheArtist]

@@alexanderofrhodes9622 the godhead is the owner of bethesda the ameranth is whoever is leading director of the game, so when a game comes out that director has supplanted the godhead as the dreamer until they wake up/the games story ends, and the godheads dream continues until a new ameranth rises which is marked by a hero of the age/game. It's very inception and fourth wall breaking, and great.

[@alexanderofrhodes9622]

It seems like the entire Kalpa measures the number of individual souls that split off from the Godhead First two, then four, then eight, then millions and millions of mortals Eventually these souls get put back together (dragons eat each other, Aedra and Daedra collect mortals) It's like the Godhead is splitting it's soul to create characters to play with and then later he 'cleans up his toys'

[@_xis.byz_]

Fallout 3 tutorial is the waking life of the godhead confirmed

[@SRNX1]

29:55 Drew: "So you're saying Vivec is free in the real world now, somewhere..." Vivec *watching this video*: 👁️👄👁️

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Just look for whoever's books are absolutely confusing, and that's Vehk

[@vivecthepoet36]

That's absolutely ridiculous, video game characters can't just come to life...

[@hypan0vaULTRA]

If he truly achieved chim, he should have expected that. But there again, he's not the most reputable source.

[@adamburditt3941]

This entire time I thought kalpa was spelled "calper" and they were just saying it with an accent lmao

[@docstoise196]

That really changes the caliper quest in the Shivering Isles

[@cloudsaysthings]

I thought the same lol. I messed up Ehlnofey too, because I always heard "Almafey" with their accents

[@pablito-e]

I used to think it was “Caliper”

[@wanderingshade8383]

When you guys mentioned how Dagon had brought down the towers of Lyg, which started this new Kalpa, that makes me think that the Thalmor are just totally wrong. Sure, they might be able to bring down the Towers, which would undo reality and might make them immortal spirits again, but only for this Kalpa. That would just start another. Guys, I'm actually hyped rn. If the Thalmor succeed, we could get a restart of TES, moving into a new Kalpa.

[@user-bs2vb2sr5w]

Not for a while if at all

[@derwaldjunge]

I studied (among other things) Old Norse mythology at university and when you talk about Elder Scrolls lore it really feels like being back at university, finding references in different texts, trying to see the big picture behind them. Very impressive!

[@Packitagain.]

Being visited by Vivec in the night is probably one of the most terrifying things I can imagine. A two toned elf split down the middle with a pension for stuffing his milk finger in peoples mouthes.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

@Zach A that's not how CHiM works. At all.

[@joeycash9739]

@Zach A LOL you got issues kid 😂

[@DragonBoi3789]

So, I know we keep referring to the kalpa as a circle or wheel, but that never really sat right with me because each kalpa is supposed to be unique unto itself. So what if instead of a wheel it's more like a spiral? A never ending spiral of kalpas that blend into one another, and from the one 'side' it would just look like a wheel which is where that one quote could come from.

[@ThePhantomPrince]

Then the spiral turns into the wheel... and so on and so forth...

[@_xis.byz_]

What if it's a double helix?

[@_xis.byz_]

DNA is the elder scroll of humans so a double helix would work

[@DragonBoi3789]

@@_xis.byz_ That might even explain the inverted world of Lyg too, implying there's always two existing realities that mirror each other.

[@worknclassh3ro963]

Being from Boston I said it like "kalpa" thinking you were saying "kalper" and I feel more secure in my accent lmao

[@bacd-nn2lg]

"The next world will have to take care of itself".

[@TealWolf26]

Said every single generation.

[@iknowthings3031]

Said the Dragon born atop the Throat of the World whilst in a tinvaak with Paarthunax

[@BaalFridge]

Just saying you missed the opportunity to name this podcast "discerning the transmundane"

[@realzachfluke1]

Lmfaooooooo

[@MLPDethDealr32]

HA! XD

[@realzachfluke1]

@@MLPDethDealr32 some 11/10 other level shit right there 😂🤣😂

[@Demodex21]

Chim Level Comment!

[@mjag2834]

'Drink for the dirty! Food for the Monkey!'

[@Dacland.]

This podcast has saved my life. I used to be addicted to meth and would well my body on the street for spare change. Now i have hopes of working for Bethesda and reignited my love for dance, i own a cute little dog (RIP my old one that was kicked to death) and although i do have some back problems from the life i used to live i can still sort of exercise. Thank you fudgemuppet

[@Swaggerpede]

wow, this is a year late but i hope you're still doing well? keep going!

[@jefthereaper]

And Paarthurnax says: "I'll skip the Dragon language." *Last Dragonborn visually confused*

[@shirtstillithurts2814]

I think I speak for everyone in this Kalpa when I say, we need All In All to make a visual interpretation of this cycle.

[@iknowthings3031]

Sooooooooong Ennnnnnnnnds...

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

21:52 The Mythic Dawn having esoteric knowledge from a previous universe would make them sooo much terrifying and menacing. Been looking forward to a Kalpa video since the first episode, keep up the good work guys

[@FindingArk]

Ive been watching your channel for a long time, many many videos and these podcasts, you all 3 do such a great job with FudgeMuppet, the details are awesome!

[@blablablablabla7705]

I was thinking of that conversation with Parthurnax before they even mentioned it and then geeked out when Michael mentioned it 😂

[@cheeserabbit8564]

Same 😂

[@Sageofwhat]

So there's a few theories on the Dwemer, like the Divine Skin theory. Has anyone considered Kalpa jumping??

[@macmcswag1714]

This how a sunday morning should be, waking up, getting a cup of coffee, and watching the Elder Scrolls podcast before playing Skyrim.

[@stephencampbell2735]

Hear, hear!

[@idipped2521]

Would rather play Morrowind remake if they would

[@Jackraiden500]

@@idipped2521 this, in fact could we get remakes for arena,battlespire and daggerfall as well?, I was born in 97 and as A result have never played those lol and I cant get daggerfall to run on my laptop.

[@XJonAye]

Well I went hiking today, woke up and drank coffee then went a few miles into the woods and made some coffee and watched this

[@macmcswag1714]

@@LordDrayden yessir man living the life

[@SphynxsShadow]

There's just something relaxing about having you three just there talking TES without scripts and just being natural with it. Quite like how it's not edited away when you talk at the same time, like being a part of a natural conversation :)

[@headgames3115]

You guys really are just cranking out these videos. Deserve more credit for this quality.

[@Dunlop1996]

My theory is that Lorkhan's trick is unique to this kalpa hence the line about Sep convincing them it's an easier way than the Walkabout. It would explain the Magna-Ge being able to chill in Lygg and create Mehrunes in a previous less restrictive Kalpa, why Alduin decided not to eat the world this time, why the Thalmor are so obsessed with unravelling the Aurbis because this is the only time that the ehlnofey have been reduced to entirely mortal. The idea of Lorkhan tricking the gods everytime just makes it feel like going with the motions rather than an actual betrayal.

[@KryyssTV]

Don't you find it unusual that these et'Ada are so keenly interested in the day-to-day lives of mortals? Or that they choose to take the form of the races within Nirn, often showing favour to specific races? It occurs to me that if Mundus is continually reborn, et'Ada do not experience linear time and mortals can ascend to become et'Ada then every single et'Ada may simply be mortals from eras in the past, present and future. In fact, this would create a really interesting paradox whereby if the Et'Ada did not choose to create Mundus then they themselves could never exist. That would in fact explain why et'Ada often exhibit mortal behaviour despite being supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful beings. In fact, aside from Anu and Padomay all the other deities have a beginning. The whole start of this is also very broken as supposedly Anu and Padomay created Sithis and Anui-El to "know themselves" yet with them existing together there was no need to do that as they could ask each other. This notion of needing to "know yourself" is also going against any idea of an all-powerful deity as these kinds of questions are very mortal in nature and suggest limitations. A need and desire to learn. There's the possibility that at the end of each Kalpa there are two survivors who become the primordial deities for the next. We've seen mortals ascend to et'Ada before and there seems to be little difference in power between primordial entities and manifested et'Ada such as Lorkan. In fact, he was created to destroy the universe which suggests that this was something Sithis could not do themself. It would be interesting to see the current Kalpa end in the next Elder Scrolls game with you and the main villian ascending to be the next primordial beings. It may just be that Elder Scrolls borrows from norse religion and has a Ragnarok style event where all et'Ada are killed off except two and the war just destroys almost everything in Aurbis thereby needing creation all over again. Those who claim to be from previous Kalpas would be little more than pieces of existence that are included as Aurbis is remade by the two survivors of "Ragnarok" who represent order and chaos. This idea of a war to end reality is certainly suggested by the various realms for the dead where heroes of legend are gathered for some future purpose. The "Next Pounce" does imply an attack or assault on something too.

[@ivans.5959]

So you mean that the two beings that represent chaos and order (Anu and Padomai) were two gods from the previous Kalpa? And maybe the ones who will represent those things in the future cycle are gods that are alive today (maybe Molag Bal and Talos will be the next Anu and Padomai. Both represent two sides of domination, just like chaos and order, two sides of the same coin). But of course more gods will survive (just like Ragnarok), if not gods that are form previous kalpas wouldn't exist. That if I understand right your theory. Also, I love that theory (the one that all et'adas were mortals in previous kalpas

[@KryyssTV]

@@ivans.5959 Not two god's, two mortals who attained supreme power and where the final survivors of the war at the end of each Kalpa. From a gameplay perspective they'd be the protagonist and the antagonist. One seeking to destroy, the other seeking to save. The dichotomy that leads to the creation myth of the next Kalpa.

[@theamazingdagger5584]

The shift from CD to digital download is a kind of kalpa.

[@Crystantemum]

Michael brought up the Daedra right as I was going on a mental escapade as to how they fit into all the Afterlife and Gulag talk. I'm writing my thoughts before I press play again so: As we know, Daedra have their specific spheres. Potentially they take on champions, extract souls, toy with mortals, etc to fuel their knowledge and/or stockpile of one Kalpa to bring into the next one. The way I'm viewing this is like when we were kids we'd always hear "think outside the box." We know the Daedra have a sphere so maybe they transcend so vastly that they need beings of lesser creation to be their guides/ eyes and ears inside the "box" that is a mortals reality inside a Kalpa. Gonna start playing again now. Hopefully our thoughts and ideas play a part in one another or help elevate each other's thoughts. Keep up the great work fellas and thanks as always

[@Skypothesis]

omg Sovngard is totally a spiritual gulag that was amazing

[@thebeaver8456]

Damn you know it's early when a fudgemuppet video only has 12 likes and 4 comments

[@bargun5889]

Nah bro its 12 am when this shiz out

[@thebeaver8456]

@@bargun5889 well it's 7am for me. But I wasn't referring to the time it came out. I ment that it doesn't have very many likes, comments, and views, which will change in time.. That's why I said it was early.

[@bargun5889]

@@thebeaver8456 Yeah ik im australian just like these guys and just think its odd they uploaded now

[@thebeaver8456]

@@bargun5889 didn't know they live in Australia thanks for the info. Watched them for a couple of years now and never knew that.

[@darediablo]

Can we get a giant podcast on the complete timeline and history of Tamriel? I think that would be really cool.

[@Strellok100]

I like the Sovngarde idea. Since it's inspired by Valhalla mostly, it's similar in a way that warriors in Valhalla are also waiting for Ragnarok to battle that last time. And after Ragnarok, a new world will dawn. Maybe the Thalmor undoing Mundus will be that climax at the end of that kalpa.

[@slimretro2659]

The most confusing part of the kalpa system is how it affects gods and other parts of the aurbis. And the confusion steams from the fact that different creation myths claim contradictory points.

[@unyielding.entertainment]

I thought you were saying, "Calper." Huh, we learn something new everyday I suppose😂

[@Dante1920]

This. Whole. Time. I thought i knew better! Whenever I heard that 'A' sound my brain just converted it to an 'R' because they're Australian!

[@Mjjrex100]

SWEAR!

[@FjreHazard]

Yep.

[@DStrormer]

Same.

[@cooldogspot4855]

Too aussie for their own good

[@jonKowalski3210]

To the point about glitches being feature, my favourite meta take is you know how dreams are weird as fuck and things happen that make no sense? Bugs are just weird shit happening in the dream of the Godhead. When the LDB flies with a bucket and clips through walls with plates, it's just the dream getting weird.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

The weird mythic shit didn't end as the kalpa went on, it just got more subtle.

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

It's interesting to think when considering Mehrunes Dagon came from another cycle, that his cult was called the Mythic Dawn, like it's actually a reference to his involvement in the dawn era. It seems to me that he was like the Alduin of the last world and the current one is just broken. All the messing around with time and such may have actually broken the cycle entirely, leaving TES series as a linear timeline for Bethesda to make more games while keeping the cycle as canon. A little weird to think about, but that makes sense to me, that the cycle is just an old thing at the start of TES, and now it's linear instead, but some can remember how it was.

[@jamesgregg3466]

I have to comment on my favorite character in Skyrim, Herma Mora, he whom knows the past the present and the future at the same time, and Especially when he says to the Dragonborn 'You will serve me whether you like it or not, even though you will not know it?', he obviously see's where the Dragonborn may go and where his destiny leads in a variable future. :)

[@3s3s3s-YT]

Waiting for this one for a long time

[@antoneopitts2212]

Ikr everytime they said kalpa I was like...wtf is that🙃

[@BaalFridge]

I was waiting for this one too, the kirkbride metaphysical metanarrative is proof he should be rehired as main writer.

[@itsgiorno2311]

you guys are so clear and explain everything so well and point out the little things that actually matter

[@axrxns7194]

Thanks for the podcast guys fill the void while waiting for the next tes game ❤️❤️

[@memeshort7189]

I have a lore question for Y'all What are Magnus and the Magne Ge doing in Aetherius? Do they interact with Mundus?

[@michaelposey3321]

Right? Arn’t they technically the only full powered aedra that exist?

[@brmblazer]

I thought Magnus and his followers left this universe after Mundus was created/finalized. Aren’t the stars in the sky explained as being the holes/portals Magnus and his peeps used to leave?

[@michaelposey3321]

@@brmblazer nice name 😂, yes they did. They are Aedra cause they helped build Mundus. But I thought they fled before their power could be taken otherwise they would end up like the other aedra. So they fled, kept their godly powers, and doing who knows what while the other gods sleep. Since deadra and aedra are mostly the same they should be able to interact more than aedra.

[@ferristhered1401]

@@michaelposey3321 The Magna-Ge are more powerful than the other Aedra, but they're definitely below 100% of their pre-Mundus power level. They fled when they discovered Lorkhan's trick, but they had already gotten started and given some of their power to the project. The initial power loss may not have gone unnoticed - "Hey, I feel a little tired today. I've never felt tired since existence began. Lorkhan, wtf." "Heh, okay guys, funny story . . ." That said, Magnus likely surrounded himself with more powerful spirits to begin with, anyway. Meridia can stand amongst the Daedra, despite her reduced power level, because her 85% is still stronger than some of the Princes at their respective 100%. Merid-Nunda was strong.

[@ferristhered1401]

As for what the Magna-Ge are up to . . . I don't know that we have any evidence of what they're doing, or that it has any impact on Mundus whatsoever. They gave up on the project a long time ago. All we really get from them now is felt through the existence of magicka, slowly leaking in from Aetherius through the holes the Magna-Ge tore in the sky. If you're interested in the speculation, there's a neat mod that explores the idea. Spectraverse. I think that's pretty much it, though. I think the Magna-Ge sort of escaped the Kalpic cycle, as the cycle seems tied to Mundus. Perhaps all the planes of Oblivion exist outside the cycle, since the actual Daedra (by original definition) didn't contribute to Mundus at all, and so were not bound to the cycle that came with it.

[@guardiancologne9034]

Yo what! That part about Bugs being legit features of elder scrolls lore was hilarious. Bethesda should make you all junior Bards stuck in some classroom vigorously debating history and theology. Drew would be my follower lol

[@Weeklong_Seagull]

"The legendary hillok scene" yes my favorite, REMAN!!

[@Kucoz]

Hey fudgemuppet, the collective. You guys rule. Ive been watching your lore videos forever and this podcast is just such a treat. Theres just a lot to learn from your tiniest discussions and digressions. That, and it helps you come up with video topics for even more lore. Its fantastic. I love this podcast. Keep doing it please! Your loving fan, Kucoz

[@gerbenvanegmond4007]

Theory: The kalpa ending and restarting is like the godhead waking up and going back to sleep/dream. Also, those who achieve chim are aware of the godhead and all. But does this mean those who achieve chim can loop around kalpa cycles?

[@krabbychan8295]

So Basically The Thalmor are trying to do the same thing Dagon did in that Kalpa

[@psychosytheXmediaXco]

The real lore question, which 90's direct to VHS kid's movie protagonist does Scott look like?

[@patrickaycock3655]

Jonathan taylor thomas?

[@terryhardinjr3581]

I think most of the confusion comes from the fact that Tove wanted CALIPERS to build a flying ship and Ma'iq and Wylandrieh(spelling?) both reference the fact that calipers aren't in skyrim

[@sachindash2033]

These podcasts have been fantastic... Would love NPC discussions like their history etc

[@joesantos2455]

I thought party-snax was speaking Dova...I learn quite a bit from these podcasts.

[@jefthereaper]

What if the "Adjacent Places" are in fact not different Kalpa's, but more literally "Adjacent Dimensions?" Existing at the same time, but being drastically different, or almost the same, save for small details? Here's my theory: Akatosh created "linear time" by splitting "time" itself between countless dimensions existing parallel to each other. Much like the barrier between Oblivion and the Mundus; so there are barriers between the various Adjacent Places. Its only during Dragon Breaks, where the barriers between those places also Break, allowing the various possibilities of time to spill over and mix. Other from that, the possibilities in time are kept separated, to create "linear" time.

[@Mohawks_and_Tomahawks]

29:23 That's how I always interpreted it myself. Thank you Scott!

[@RevantheBlack]

I don’t mind if I get a visit from Vivic, however imma have to ask him to keep his “milk fingers” away from me haha

[@JamesCalico]

I am high risk. I lost my job. No lifing this channel helped me get through this shit. I'm in line to get a vaccine. When I get job again, I'm going to find your patreon and become a contributor.

[@mjag2834]

'I am the Sun-Shadow at your back...the Moon-Gloom to light your path...and all shades of gray inbetween'. Mistress Chance or Lady Luck would be a fine brush!

[@kaimannesbitt8247]

If the kalpa was supposed to end with alduin in skyrim then the last dragonborn would not have been born

[@mcsmash4905]

˝Pruzah. As good a reason as any. There are many who feel as you do, although not all. Some would say that all things must end, so that the next can come to pass. Perhaps this world is simply the Egg of the next kalpa? Lein vokiin? Would you stop the next world from being born?'' even paarthunax himself seems to not know whether a kalpa is real or not and he was close to alduin , and on top of that some say they are real some say they are not , and obviously as you mentioned if if alduin was supposed to eat this ˝kalpa˝ then why is he defeated , sure he wanted to rule the world rather than eat it , but still , but im sure the galaxy brains over at teslore will make up some stuff to fill in the blanks

[@seath_the_stanless]

My new favorite part of Sunday mornings is waking up and listening to these brilliant, handsome gentlemen talk about Elder Scrolls.

[@Feathertusk]

This is a bit out there, what if Lorkhan was all like "hey other spirits, wanna make a cool world together by combining our spheres of influence, and becoming a super power?" And the Aedra/magnus magne ge were like "sure it'll be like a perfect orderly world." The Lorkhan was like "psych its a world of free will and i am using your powers to power it." Then the betrayed group gets pissed and try to kill him, only to find that they can't kill him, since he like them is a part of the world. Now since Lorkhan can't be destroyed, but would desire to be whole again, the kalpas are really a cycle of Lorkhan getting too close to collecting his pieces and the aedra and magnus destroying and remaking the world to rehide and stop it from happening. Meanwhile Lorkhans ultimate goal is to break the cycle and allow mundus to thrive on its own.

[@Brandelwyn]

I love that kalpas aren't a hard reset of the universe and in the new cycle there are still remnants of the previous ones

[@Jfly2fly]

You guys have amazing voices!!!

[@christopherbohanan4453]

Awesomesauce! Can’t wait to hear you guys tackle the creation story, chim/amaranth, dragonbreaks and other more esoteric topics. Keep it up fudgemuppet!

[@valentineX1X]

I hope we get a kalpa. I want current elderscrolls to end and the new game to be set in the new worlds first era. With less elves and more unique fantasy races. Maybe fuse the high elves and the golden saints and the dark elves with the dark seducers to survive the kalpa. I want the kothringi fused with the reach men/ bretons. I want to see more akaviri races that found their own way to survive. And I want it to be a game of discovery instead of adventure during established regions. Like a game of exploring a new frontier/land mass. Maybe have dremora that gave up their immortality to survive the kalpa and make them a changed player race too.

[@mismismism]

I thought the same thing. A lot of the races are hella bland right now, seems like a perfect way to revamp them since the elves and Hist seem to have a way to survive a kalpa, so we can get elves/Bretons and Argonians that are actually as weird and unique as their backstories make them out to be. It's crazy that we have basically tree, lizard Xenomorphs and they're basically just scaly humans, lots of wasted potential in the races.

[@valentineX1X]

@@mismismism agreed. I get establishing fantasy races that appeal to the masses to get people interested like the typical elves etc but now elderscrolls has a monstrous fanbase its the perfect opportunity to branch out and really let the fantasy fly. They have unlimited potential and the only limitation is their own mind so go wild with it. The hist and argonians could be way more interesting or at least they could actually show more of their interesting sides for sure. And I really advocate for more races to feature in the game as npcs atleast to make the world feel more diverse. Plus if the base models are in there moders will have more fun.

[@aysseralwan]

17:00 LotR kinda starts with an epic battle. It may be a flashback but it is how the trilogy began if I remember correctly

[@ciaranmck4469]

That's the movie In the book I believe it kinda sets the whole story and that takes a while if I can remember

[@aysseralwan]

@@ciaranmck4469 Oh yeah I did talk abour the movie but I think in the book it was brought up relatively early too but I could misremember on that one

[@chrispakdawg9922]

I put my job on pause to understand what in oblivion Scott was trying to get across

[@memeshort7189]

I don't believe that the Gods are truly "weakened" They are tired and each Kalpa they slowly regain their power for a war at the beginning of the next Dawn Era

[@woollama]

So basically weakened

[@mcsmash4905]

galaxy brain

[@BaalFridge]

Including himself Lorkhan deceived 12 gods didnt he? Those were the 12 worlds of creation?

[@wisildur]

Interesting parts about this mishmash podcast. 00:45 - 01:54 Scott is talking all the cool conjectures, extrapolations they are about to make about the topic. But, you know. Kalpa is easy to understand. A long period of time as part of a cycle (that implies its destruction before it is recreated) 02:31 THE Kirkbride once said that the Dawn Era was the end of the first Kalpa. Merethic era is (perhaps) Day one of the new Kalpa. Also Kalpa. 03:21- 08:45 About the official lore. In Skyrim, the main story line refers to that concept. It is known by nordics (Alduin) and reguards (Satakal) and whateva those lizardmen believe. 09:30 - 13:40 A passionate discussion that established that the further away from the defecation of Trinimac by Boethiah, the more mundane it becomes. a discussion on relativism and geometry ensued. In the end we dont know really. As Michael pointed out: there are mythical things happening all the times.

[@ferristhered1401]

I wonder how things differ with the more spectacular events of the Dawn and Merethic Eras, like Trinimac being corrupted into Malacath - did a Trinimac exist in all previous Kalpas, and would Malacath now take his place in any future ones? Has Lorkhan been killed in every cycle, or is that new to this cycle - and in the case of the latter, in a next Kalpa, would Lorkhan be returned to life?

[@jacobfreeman5444]

There is a cult of orcs that believe Trinimac can be restored and Malacath essentially is keeping this from happening by monopolizing all faith from the orcs. Thus by rejecting Malacath and embracing Trinimac they can restore their god and people. As for Lorkhan...he isn't truly dead. He can't be killed. His existence is tied to Nirn in a fundamental way. He is denied physical existence but his spirit and essence are ever potent. The fact the heart keeps popping up is proof of this.

[@drifindoril1818]

This is going to be a good one! Such an interesting topic and one I've wanted to hear more about for ages 😁

[@AWingedOne]

The kalpa is where my hate and love for this concept and it's implications meet.

[@brettpryor4907]

I’ve been waiting for this video for so long

[@moth844]

This is my favorite one so far.

[@muteki3233]

Been watching you guys for a while and I've been waiting for this for longer. thanks a bunch, you guys are the best

[@shalimarfox9441]

My favourite boys! Loved the podcast, keep them coming! :)

[@d7659]

Awesome! Ive been waiting for this one!

[@Machturtle7491]

This is a thing I always wonder about, I'm looking forward to listening

[@Amara87387]

“They’re gonna parachute down to nirn” Elder scrolls VI: Battle royal

[@t00thman]

OBVIOUSLY "Kalpa" is just an alternative name for "Calipers"

[@mysticranger6894]

My GOD, it's DREW THE DAEDROLOGIST! The NOT MADE UP Degree and Major lol

[@Mooinator3000]

I've always wondered on what level of existence kalpas happen? Like is the reset on the level of mundus or beyond that including the realm of the gods?

[@GrimDarkHalfOff]

I know you expressed caution about going into real world mythology, but remember you guys did try to launch a philosophy series a while back: Try to use this as your back door for that.

[@themightyculsh]

So when I remove ITMs with xedit, are my files breaking the Kalpic cycle? Has leather armour achieved Chim?

[@lavishtato]

During the conversation with Paarthanax, I couldn't help but think-- how many are more powerful than destiny? If the world was /supposed/ to end, would it not have? Are Gormlaith, Hakon, and Felldir truly stronger than what is fated to happen? Is the Dragonborn so powerful that he can change the fate of the whole world? I think that were the world actually supposed to have ended, it would have. There is something that hasn't happened that is delaying the end of this Kalpa. It isn't that the universes end is be prevented, its that the universe is preventing its end for some reason.

[@brmblazer]

I really hope the next game really returns to the philosophical/mythological/mystical roots of the series. Sure there’s a ton of lore in Skyrim, but you really have to dig deep for it. It’s like they sacrificed their cooler ideas for mainstream appeal, but left a little trail of bread crumbs for us hardcore fans. I don’t want the next game to be like a university lecture, but I would like to actually experience the lore without having to read all the in game books and have to listen to podcasts (no offense, you guys are awesome) to really experience the amazing lore in these games.

[@ChaoticClaudette]

Unrelated, but omg i love y'alls voices! Sometimes y'all almost sound the same and i think that's pretty cool! GREAT VID BY THE WAY! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!

[@OceanBloke]

Yeah as an Aussie it took me a while to realise it was 3 guys and not 2 lol

[@stephenemery8831]

One of my favorite obscure bits of lore - KALPAS

[@mysticranger6894]

Maybe the Kalpa is what keeps the elder scroll world in that mideval fantasy setting for all time, and dragonborn ending it is what brings that sci fi future kirkbright wrote about Both speak with laughs and jokes, then Drew comes in all serious voice like he narrating a video lol well he is a daedrologist, a very serious and real profession

[@Tyleya]

Now I heard a lore that the RedGuard are not from the current Kalpa but from the previous Kalpa. I can’t remember where or when I heard it.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

It makes a sort of sense. They admit they are travelers from another place, one they ruined so completely it disappeared. But to my knowledge it is never explained how they knew to sail to Tamriel or how they achieved it. Just...Redguards showing up with their curved...swords.

[@rancidmeatpuppet8650]

Was a buddhist monk. Can confirm in thai buddhism, the kalpa is 5000 yrs and is measured with the return of buddha. We are halfway through this kalpa (2563 yrs)

[@megspradlin7345]

Is a Kalpa not a time break? I recall reading a book on time break in Skyrim, while playing Skyrim. Or are the time breaks different events that take place within a Kalpa?

[@jedjedjedjedjedjed]

This was my favorite so far, and I've listened to almost all of your elder scrolls lore vids. Great job guys, this shit is dope as fuck.

[@ISoloYouRelax]

Scott my dude. You have one hell of a windows peak and it looks so nice.

[@breeze1088]

According to Vedic calculations, we are presently in the 51st Kalpa of this creation.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Alright, how do we start the next one early?

[@adamthompson6669]

At gym listening fam early morning. Also hope my copy of cyberpunk comes this week 😂 still trying to stay off KZbin cyberpunk content. Another awesome pod cast 👏 thank you 🙏 ❤️

[@user-bs2vb2sr5w]

Ooooof

[@Wired_User]

26:00 “what if that just makes it linear?” Well if you look at “unbind the dragon” as similar to Norse mythology, Jormungandr letting go of his tail is one of the signs of Ragnarok, and Norse myth is circular in that a new cycle of gods and mortals and giants would start again. So an ouroboros going from a circle to a line isn’t necessarily permanent.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

The issue being that in Norse mythos, the new world after Ragnarök won't go the same (i.e. Loki doesn't turn evil, Thor stops hammering everything while hammered)

[@__Insanity_]

My current thoughts of the Kalpas: Due to the meddling with deities of Alessia, Akatosh is currently at odds with himself, his Human Divine side (His Shor influence) and his Elven Divine side (Au-riel influence) are both striving towards different things. The Human desire to keep the World alive and make the most of the world created by Lorkhan. And the Elven side to tear down the "prison" they believe the world is. With the belief of Akatosh being created, it retroactively birthed Akatosh throughout all of time and reality. And these opposing ideas are the Kalpa: His Elven side ends reality, his Human side creates the next world

[@combatpanda4264]

"Bugs are part of the lore..." Me: I knew it.

[@Seifiros]

It is interesting in this context that Alduin has the ability to eat those chilling in Sovngarde (and I assume other planes of dreamsleeve). No next kalpa for those shmucks!

[@guacre2675]

I know everyone is saying they hear calper, but I always hear "saturkarl" when they talk about satakal

[@ralphazbill3417]

One of the best movie franchises starts out with an epic battle. LotR The Fellowship of the Ring starts out with the last alliance battle in Mordor.