What is Ammon Hillman Not Telling You?

[@terrybarnhill9037]

Honestly, I enjoy looking at the deeper meanings of the Biblical text, but I would like to have a clear rebuttal to what Hillman has stated about the text. He says these words mean this. You say they don't. So please provide the source on how you conclude it did not hold that meaning at the time of the writing. Regardless of the meaning, I am still questioning what the hell is Jesus doing with that boy in the garden.

[@3Cheese42]

Not only was he in the garden with a barely dressed "young man", all the context I see is that the word in question refers to a young man who can't grow a beard. That could be anything under 15. But why the fuck was he in the park at 3am roughly, with a barely dressed kid and his followers were "keeping guard". They would not need to do that for a baptism.

[@Flyspray420]

He wasn't with a boy. Ammon just seems to have a thing for boys around that age so he is forcing the age to be that young.

[@3Cheese42]

@@Flyspray420 He was with someone who was 15 or younger, who was essentially naked and there is no explanation as for why, at least none included.

[@Flyspray420]

@3Cheese42 a young man who was wearing a sindon. A cloth used for Jewish ritual at night.

[@3Cheese42]

@@Flyspray420 Which Jewish ritual, and why at night?

[@andim3332]

Bashing his person doesn't prove what he's saying is wrong. When someone attacks another on a personal level, you're losing the argument. Just the facts about how his theories and interpretation is what the focus should be.

[@Flyspray420]

@@andim3332 she goes through his arguments. It's kind of hard when what hillman says isn't actually in the text. How do you critique a fantasy? Like literary criticism? Especially when it heavily involved naked kids. Not easy!

[@3Cheese42]

@@Flyspray420 You are getting desperate now

[@Flyspray420]

@3Cheese42 why? Why can't you point out where it says Jesus was performing a s*x ritual? With a kid?

[@3Cheese42]

@@Flyspray420 I mean, there is only one reason and one reason alone you would be alone with a boy in a park in the middle of the night, and then be arrested for it.

[@christinehemberger5177]

😂😂😂 really they're just bashing him for no reason be honest with yourself I think it's a little bit more than that. There's a lifetime's worth of material that contradicts every word he says😂😂😂

[@Mindful-Path]

I think someone who is proficient in Ancient Greek and read what Ammon has read, can sit down and have an interesting debate with him. If someone does not have these qualifiers, then it merely becomes their personal option about Ammon’s work. I believe Ancient Greek is more complicated than one knowing how to translate a paragraph word by word.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@Mindful-Path ah yes, call her arguments “personal opinion” which conveniently allows you to not address her arguments. If they are merely “personal opinion”, it should be easy for you to address her arguments, right?

[@alonso21100]

​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYouit is pretty easy shes not showing any kind of proof based on what ammons teaches ,the old fart its only pionting out how ammon dont show hes perssonal life on mediq,hiw ammon has a personality she doesnt want to deal with,shes calling him out as a cukt leader what? Proof please shes butt hurt so are you and the both have no case on ammon really starting by saying i dont really think ammon its lying .... you both are out to get a head cut off but your both falling real short.

[@leosullivan9228]

any statement can be labeled opinion. your replies to your commenters consistently attempt to refute the obvious: @Mindful-Path and others here are critiquing your informant's narrow word-by-word approach. maybe somebody's monotheist agenda is showing@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou​

[@justmyopinion7807]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYouso does she know ancient greek or just talk to fill the podcast? You didn’t answer

[@AyaGumede]

​@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou if she can't read the text and translate it like Ammon can, then her opinion and views are pointless to the conversation. In fact, she isn't even part of it.

[@csmoviles]

I'm appauled as to how many staunch cult followers of this ammon guy are here. 😮 they have all dismissed the deposition and the admission of ammon himself. Wow! That's scary

[@ElloSheerio]

Exactly.

[@whoyaha]

@@csmoviles what do you mean?

[@elmarhenrich4336]

Appauled? Is that a neologism, meaning 'turned off by Paul'? 🤡

[@James-wv3hx]

Ammon Hillman says that people like you are cowards for not debating him. Why don't you debate him?

[@occultexaminer]

Hillman has turned down more interviews than he has done. Ali has never shied away from Hillman.

[@spirituallevelofbeing7308]

He's the definition of a coward while sending his audience to attack other people and including my charity works. Ammon and his Audience tried getting my video taken down when I publicly called him out. Ammon is a bitch bro

[@spirituallevelofbeing7308]

I got turned down and than attacked ​@@occultexaminer

[@alirowan1999]

I asked twice to talk to him when I was still in the discord. I even emailed Danny Jones saying I would be the one to sit across the table and discuss his materials. It is not me who is the coward, sir. Ammon knows I have the knowledge to dismantle what he says. Why do you think he has hidden my factual rebuttals from you when I was able to comment? These are facts which point the finger in his direction, not mine

[@spirituallevelofbeing7308]

@@alirowan1999 good on you for pointing out that this man is sick

[@cjfazio3012]

I just saw a video with Ammon. I was flabbergasted. It takes a lot to do that to me. Don’t know anything about Greek and translating though it has made me start looking into this because there is no way that his interpretation would have been missed in all these hundreds of years.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

Yes his views truly are out there.

[@3Cheese42]

Alright, after giving it a few days and reading through again. I think what absolutely sinks this is the fact that instead of only focusing on the point, attacking dude for being socially awkward around women was extremely low - he did not sexually assault anyone, he may have been creepy, but he didn't do anything illegal, and that is very, very low of you both. You should absolutely, and I am sorry to use left speak, do better.

[@agt5jx87]

I'm only halfway through the deposition. Could you elucidate for me further? They tried to paint him as a deadbeat for 80 pages of the deposition. Did he do any of the things the college accused him of?

[@chimairakp]

Yea I haven't listened to the whole thing yet but so far they've just attacked him personally and said nuh-uh. Hopefully it gets better. Most people in the comments are biased and incapable of being objective when it comes to Christianity.

[@junkman7901]

Yet he’s woke, supports the jab, became a Baptist tool, he worked on John mccains campaign n vouches for Biden Kamala, says all Trump voters should be purged, supports azov Nazis in Ukraine and spends hundreds of hours repeating pedo Jesus fantasies with his daughter chewy doing all the work while whipping the ground and he an adjunct prof / janitor that got fired for sexual harassment of students and getting his students to whip him while holding phallic objects. Not to mentioned he put his wife in prison claiming she was poisoning his family, he also was groomed for west point cia academy.

[@DarkLensDiaries]

DarkLens could not get through 10 minutes of this. Firstly, Ma'am, your "feels" are irrelevant in this context. Secondly, for the show's host, before you attempt to go toe-to-toe with someone who demonstrates mastery over at least two languages, you should aspire to master one.

[@marvinsalee7134]

Did he win or lose in court? ​@@chimairakp

[@twentythree7sevensix]

1:09:23 I'm interested how do you get a copy of a correspondence between Ammon and someone else? From her? Ok cool, not sure what this has to do with debunking anything he says though? I think you have heeded some of my previous advise because unless I'm mistaken the videos you've used didn't appear to be sped up this time although I may be mistaken because the excerpt from the live sounded a little sped up, anyway have a read of some tips on debunking a Classical Philologist that I found: Debunking a claim made by a Classical Philologist involves a few key steps: • Understand the Claim: Ensure you fully understand the philologist’s argument, including the context and evidence they present. This might involve reading their work thoroughly and noting down key points. • Research: Conduct extensive research on the topic. Look for primary sources (ancient texts, inscriptions, etc.) and secondary sources (scholarly articles, books) that either support or contradict the claim. • Evaluate Evidence: Critically evaluate the evidence presented by the philologist. Check for any biases, logical fallacies, or gaps in their argument. Compare their evidence with what you have found in your research. • Consult Experts: Engage with other scholars or experts in the field. They might provide additional insights or point out aspects you might have missed. • Formulate Your Argument: Based on your research and evaluation, construct a well-reasoned argument. Ensure your argument is clear, logical, and supported by evidence. • Publish and Present: Share your findings through academic journals, conferences, or other scholarly platforms. Be prepared for peer review and constructive criticism. For example, if a philologist makes a claim about the interpretation of a passage in the Septuagint, you might: • Compare different manuscripts of the Septuagint. • Look at how other ancient authors interpreted the same passage. • Examine the historical and cultural context of the text. • Consult modern scholarly interpretations and critiques. This process ensures that your debunking is thorough, credible, and scholarly. In academic research, personal email correspondence and court documents can sometimes be relevant, but their use depends on the context and the nature of the claim you’re addressing. • Personal Email Correspondence: This can be used as a source of information, especially if it provides unique insights or unpublished data. However, it’s important to handle such correspondence ethically and with permission from the involved parties. In academic writing, personal communications are cited in-text but not included in the reference list because they are not recoverable by readers. • Court Documents: These can be valuable if the claim involves legal matters or if the philologist’s credibility is in question due to legal issues. Court documents are public records and can be cited in academic work. They provide official and verifiable information that can support or refute a claim. If you are considering using these types of documents, ensure that you: • Respect Privacy and Confidentiality: Obtain necessary permissions and handle sensitive information with care. • Verify Authenticity: Ensure the documents are genuine and relevant to your argument. • Cite Properly: Follow appropriate citation guidelines for personal communications and legal documents.

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

Best comment 👏

[@alirowan1999]

@@twentythree7sevensix Hello again. I'm not intending to write an academic article against Hillman, but that would be excellent advice. The purpose of this interview was to provide sound evidence which highlight areas where he cannot be trusted to be telling the truth. These are 1. His relating of his history 2. His Occult persona 3. His opinion about whistleblowers 4. His methodology 5. His biblical translations/interpretations I have not yet found any good evidence to say that he is being *truthful* in any of these areas.

[@twentythree7sevensix]

@alirowan1999 Hello again, I appreciate the interaction and the fact you read the comments, it's pretty impressive. I must also admit again I am still only as far through this one as my last time stamp. I get that you are not writing an academic article but if you want to actually debunk anything he says then maybe you should think about following that format to at least some degree? I was merely showing you what debunking would actually look like. Sound evidence? I am still waiting to see you refute one specific example using sound evidence? I still don't understand how you think you can have anything more than an opinion on his interpretations and translations if you haven't read any primary source texts? How can you possibly grasp why he has the understanding he has if you haven't read anything he has read? If you need to rely on a Lexicon for your understanding of words instead of reading actual accounts where the words were being used across different time periods. You do not have the context he has. You admitted yourself the level of your understanding and ability when it comes to the Greek and admitted you have to rely on his translation, herein lies the problem? I have to add that your videos are having the opposite effect I think you intend on me tbh but merely because you have lead me to research things further which in it's own right is helping me have a better understanding of where he is coming from, so thank you for that. I have no intention of ever having anything to do with him personally so the other stuff isn't an issue for me but if it means it saves someone else from being put in a position where they don't feel safe then good work, I cannot argue with that.

[@OfficialDeadOnAim]

@@twentythree7sevensix you said everything I wanted to but much more clear and concise! She is doing nothing to prove Ammon wrong and following the evidence has actually even led to more credence for Ammon's argument

[@janejones3170]

@@twentythree7sevensix yes sir they are trying to to take the focus of his argument and make it about his personal life.

[@tomharden4419]

The first clue of Ammon's misadventure was, in every case, he selected the the last application listed in the concordance. In so doing, it was evident that 'twisting and turning' was taking place to support a vague, undefined solution of narrative that seems like 'what it says is not true', which I would expect from Satanic narrative. It is, however, very clever.

[@chimairakp]

There are other ancient language experts who have said ammon is 100% correct in his translations.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

No, there aren’t. Name one person with a PhD in Ancient Greek (The very minimum to be considered an expert) that says he’s “100% correct” in his translations. Not even Carl Ruck thinks that.

[@chimairakp]

​​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou yes there is he just made a video about it a couple weeks ago lol Theoria Apophasis and stop appealing to Authority.

[@leosullivan9228]

clinging to belief systems puts us in danger of denial of larger realities. if you don't care by now to know biblical literature is filled with ancient metaphoric systems a bible-based, materialist, monopoly empire has ssuppressed ... well you can just keep paying foreverwar taxes while our kids try to burn their own DNA @@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

[@Hauber-wm7yz]

@chimairakp ah yes The Apop, another highly intelligent expert who "invites critical challenge" but curiously deletes comments that challenge that bit too critically.

[@MeMyselfandAlice-p3q]

@Hauber-wm7yz Ken also advocates free speech but shadow bans people who are critical of him. His ferrocell videos are so easily debunked and because they are proof to him that his theories of magnetism are on point, all of his theories actually falls apart when you debunk the ferrocell phenomenon. But try telling that in his channel. He is just another charlatan caught in his own delusional world. He has pretty good buddhism videos thought. I love those.

[@maxlee1816]

I just watch Ammon and listen to him and scarily he sounds more convincing than this lot 😬

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@maxlee1816 thankfully truth isn’t defined by how one “sounds”. If you think Ammon is right, why not try and address Ali’s arguments?

[@3Cheese42]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou What arguments? There was only slander.

[@artemisia4690]

Because Ammon speaks truth based on knowledge and this guys trying to preserve agenda and 2000 years old lies based just on blind faith.

[@maxlee1816]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou a tad pedantic me thinks 😁

[@truthhurts2149]

That's because you lack critical thinking skills and have zero discernment...

[@js1423]

So Hillman was an adjunct, not a proper professor? That’s why he also worked as a janitor.

[@occultexaminer]

Not a proper at all.

[@js1423]

@@occultexaminer Thanks for the reply!

[@leosullivan9228]

janitor? tis noble to work, kid. and get paid. so what do you akll think a college or Uni pays any adjuct proffessor- anything? unless youre famous- teaching is just a post grad peanuts parking position. no one get greasy fat teaching

[@js1423]

@ Professor’s also apply for grants. I’m not judging Hillman for being a janitor. Academia is a hard world to get stable employment in

[@occultexaminer]

@ idk who's judging JUST because he was a janitor. More like what he did while employed as a janitor. Read the court documents.

[@jamzlong1485]

If you look into murex snails there are several different types that live in the Mediterranean sea, and each one was used and has had tons of different uses in homeopathic medicine. They were using it as a dye because it changes colors depending on light sources around it as well. The process of extracting the dye from the snails is a long and lengthy painstaking process. As she said and Ammon says they were administering drugs through many different ways to get it to a persons system for different purposes. If some of these were cocktails of different drugs, including the different types of snails, I don't see why they wouldn't have put the snail extraction in their eyes at some point for whatever purpose. Rock snails of different types have been used by many different cultures for ages for medical purposes. If they were somehow able to extract dmt or some other psychedelic from the snail through the process of extracting the dye and somebody wiped their eyes and started tripping balls, a new fad could have errupted where everyone was putting the stuff in their eyes tripping off the stuff. Different cultures also used the snail for menstruation purposes, pain killers, stomach problems, cancer meds, the list goes on and on.

[@3Cheese42]

I can see that, at any point of the process someone may have wiped their eyes and found it had a strange effect. That is a good observation.

[@whoyaha]

It squirted in their eyes

[@KenDWebber]

We do the same thing today. We take a drug created for one thing and suddenly it becomes something else. Today you will find the streets of Philadelphia littered with people bent at the waist and bonked out of their mind using a drug for cattle and horses to boost fentanyl.

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

I never liked U2 very much,-

[@omahaflynn5937]

Amon ..He sounds like a predator when he speaks.

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

And you sound like a ignant fool,-

[@Tracysbrokenwing]

Im about halfway through. Good conversation so far. I just want to say that jordan maxwell has also said early Christianity was a sex cult. Almost all of teddys songs sound the same. Hes only had 2 songs that i thought were decent. Ofcourse that's my opinion. I love listening to the greek from hillman but i just wish hed speak normally sometimes. It makes me crazy when he talks about medea and the way she procures drugs but then when jesus did it (according to him) hes a pedo, human trafficker. If your giving a pre pubescent girl drugs to make her lactate and milking her, still is an assult. Whether she wanted to be there or not. But then thats a whole different time. 10 yr olds were 20! Did they have an agreed apon law back then? Dont touch kids under 18? Then that goes along with little girls under 3 (which is effin sick) making laws (excuses) to do very bad things. Is evil in the eye of the beholder like beauty? The lip plate people from africa are considered beautiful but here, were like nah. Very good conversation!!! Thanks to you both! Im subscribed but havent caught all your videos. Does the Lady have a yt channel?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@Tracysbrokenwing she has a channel but she doesn’t post. Her website is going to be the best place for content at this moment. It’s in the description.

[@alirowan1999]

@@Tracysbrokenwing thank you for your comments. Everyone commenting on KZbin has a channel. I have about 40 subscribers waiting for me to put up some content. I guess at some point I will.

[@Tracysbrokenwing]

@alirowan1999 you absolutely should!! I'd even turn on the notification bell. I just went and subbed!! I want to learn more that doesn't have to do with sex in early Christianity. I want to know what is the same that we are being taught and what is different. I want the truth. I know it's not all angels and halos but I also know it's not all pitchforks and debauchery either. Please please do put some videos out!! I look forward to it!🤗❤️

[@alirowan1999]

@@Tracysbrokenwing I actually would much rather discuss the positives about my research and what I've learned in the broader field than keep whistleblowing and flag waving, here. But, it's important that the extent of deception and control that Hillman is exercising is fully exposed. There will be future interviews and each time I take note of the comments to see where I can tighten up and not leave room for biased assumptions about things I have not made clear.

[@3Cheese42]

@@Tracysbrokenwing The truth is that it is impossible to ever know the truth in regard to religion. Occam's razor states that it is all untrue.

[@Kytheus_Errant_2106]

I think a big factor in Ammons popularity is that there are so many people who are skeptical of the mainstream positions typically held by most scholars, and they are actually searching for someone with credentials who has a provocative take. I think there are good reasons for the skepticism. For one, you have these statements of faith that alot of colleges have you sign that don't allow you to go outside of a faith-based box with your research. We learn about this on mythvision and Gnostic informant, and anyone can just look it up. You also have scholars who appear on their channels like Dennis McDonald, Richard C. Miller, Richard Carrier, and many others, who have all to one degree or another been black balled by the guild, or fired, for their views not aligning with what the faith-based community is willing to tolerate. These among many other things have caused alot of people to become suspicious of scholarship. Well, such a suspicious researcher who just wants to know the truth is now actively seeking out interpretations that go against what is normally accepted, since what is normally accepted is done so many times for disingenuous reasons, and tends to be incorrect a lot of times as well. Their minds have basically been conditioned to seek out these kinds of interpretations, because lets just face it, the true answer is by definition going to be the most rare answer out of all possible answers. Only one interpretation is correct and all the rest are not. Also, we're still researching the bible, which tells you that we still don't have the 100% correct interpretation, so when you run into someone like Hillman, your like "wwooowwww 🤯🤯🤯", and you mistake the answer that seems to go against whats normally accepted the most, for the correct answer. Ammons answers do seem to fit a certain criteria, albeit incorrect. I dont blame em if they are hooked for a sec, i was. But upon further scrutiny, theres almost nothing he says that actually holds up. Its kind of the perfect storm. We hear about all these scholars who have amazing work getting shunned by the academic community, and then Ammon comes along and at first glance looks like the quintessential shunned scholar, who is actually being fully suppressed because he has the real truth. It can look like that for a moment. So i get why people are tricked. I just wish people would trust themselves and their own abilities and go a little deeper. Fact check him on all his claims. You usually find hes dead wrong.

[@twentythree7sevensix]

@@Kytheus_Errant_2106 Interesting take, I have done my own research, I do trust myself and yet I do not hold the same view as you, how exactly do you yourself fact check Ammon? Because from the research that I have done on him alone tells me that he has read a huge amount of Classic Literature and primary sources. Then even if he is seeing meaning that isn't there, there is no way to fact check him unless you read all the primary source texts and more than he has read? Can we agree on that? Have you read any primary sources? Are you even able to? I am not able to so my opinion is open to what he is suggesting until I can form my own understanding of what they mean by consuming as much classical literature and as many primary sources as I possibly can because it is my belief that that is the only way for me to get answers that don't rely on somebody else's interpretation. Not sure why people have to be in one camp or the other, humans are more nuanced than that.

[@alirowan1999]

​@@twentythree7sevensixknowing all the same sources he has read is smoke and mirrors, Garreth. It just gives him more material to eisegete into the Biblical texts. Importing an obscure cult reference he can associate with the same word, doesn't make an authentic translation when the wider context flat out excludes it.

[@Flash-pp3cr]

I agree with the this comment to a large extent. The only issue I'm seeing though, is that when he's been debated, the debater leaves frustrated instead of....well....debating. That leaves us with only one person who stayed logical and seemed to "win" a debate. My other issue is that scholars are always religious scholars. I still haven't found a lot of scholars who do not hold a convenient bias to the religion they belong to.

[@alirowan1999]

@Flash-pp3cr I also concur with the OP's observations. However, Kipp Davis isn't religious and left their one joint "debate" frustrated that Ammon wasn't engaging with his points and was misquoting him back. Ammon wasn't prepared to debate but just press his agenda while listening to Kipp's objections only dismissively. I'm not religious either, but use logic, reason and a sharp eye for where he's breaking the rules of sound methodology to manipulate the words to say what he wants them to. He got fed up of me pointing out his errors and would hide my comments from public view (an admin can flag a comment for moderator review and only release it when approved - but he doesn't). I would then write my comments as replies to one of his groupies, So he encouraged the faithful to block me, personally from replying. Then he made me a "hidden user" to prevent me taking clips and finally he blocked me completely so all my hundreds of clips I had already taken are now "unavailable" for anyone else. There isn't a shred of truth in any of his eisegesis, but he's made it into a convincing enough story for the uninformed to fall for. And there's likely only the barest shreds of anything historical in the gospel accounts as well.

[@Kytheus_Errant_2106]

@@twentythree7sevensix I just look at the screen that he's showing me and usually when he's giving definitions of words, he gives the least used interpretation of the word. He will scroll way down to definition #4, and then it will be something like Herodotus, or Homer. They didn't speak koine Greek. They were definitely not using roots in the same way the gospel authors were using them. Or I just look up the word in question, and what I find is that he typically adds a lot into the interpretation that's not actually there. He wants to turn Mark 14 from very strange, into cult, drugs, and sex. But there is no contextual evidence lending support to that reading. You notice how Ammon is always plucking passages out and putting them up on the screen all by themselves, out of their original context? In order to come up with his strange interpretations, he absolutely has to do it that way. If he went and took us through the entire book of Mark verse by verse, all of his odd interpretations would be noticeably so out of place. He will never do that. But yea, how you check him is just read the source materials, get a lexicon, look up the Greek words. Never think it's impossible for you to check people on their bs. It's very easy. If I ever just had to take someone for their word I would never waste my time listening. Not because that automatically means they're lying, but because I get no use out of that. I don't want to hear cool ideas, I want to understand the truth about history. Therefore, I read as many primary sources as I can get my hands on, and the scholarship on the subjects. I don't read scholars because I look up to them or feel like I need a scholar to hold my hand. Actually I think 99% of scholars, when it comes to the topics I'm interested in, are on religious pilgrimages, and even when they don't "believe" anymore, their goal is still to get down to that "historical" Jesus, which I believe completely corrupts their output. I think most scholarship sucks and is a waste of my time. So I never wanna say "read the scholarship" as if by simply doing that you'll be all good. When I say to read scholars along with the primary sources I mean selectively. For example, I love the gospel of Mark. I think many interpretations are helpful only to a limited extent. James D. Tabor and Steve Mason's comments on Mark are great, but after reading Dennis McDonalds "Homeric Epics and The Gospel of Mark", I see even them as stagnant, and starting with some false assumptions. Then when I go back to Ammon, his view becomes so forced and simplistic. And he just cherry picks a verse here a verse there. Mason and McDonald analyze every word, and consider a wide range of possibilities to land on the most likely interpretation. Ammon just stays in his echo chamber. I think he just wants to stay in his own camp. I hate camps. I think camps are one of the most toxic things about scholarship, so I agree.

[@janejones3170]

Mrk 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me? Mrk 14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. Mrk 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled. A Young Man Flees Mrk 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: Mrk 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked. Now what is he doing with a naked boy sir?

[@Ganymede88]

Are you a parrot ?

[@jussayinnit]

Lol! Are you serious?

[@3Cheese42]

Absolutely amazing question. No one is asking why Jesus was sucking off a "young man" in the middle of a garden at 3am.

[@campbells657]

Ammon is silly to me. It’s entertaining until he wants to distance himself from John Allegro and the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross book. He basically stole the concept.

[@st.wolfgang4460]

Has he tried to distance himself from that book?

[@3Cheese42]

@@st.wolfgang4460 No, he has not

[@junkman7901]

Yep, he claims to know nothing about Allegro😂

[@hexaddict465]

Biased lady: “I think the boy with Jesus was actually a young man.. I think it was a completely innocent scene.. I don’t know how to translate Ancient Greek”

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@hexaddict465 she never said she doesn’t know how to translate Ancient Greek. Why not give an argument instead of trying to psychologize her?

[@hexaddict465]

@ Lol, 100% she absolutely did. At best, she said she knows very little.

[@hexaddict465]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou timestamp 44:20 “I’ve picked up enough Greek to, yeah, follow some of the words, but there’s so much vocabulary that, ugh, it’s just unknown to me.”

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@hexaddict465 okay there’s literally thousands of words in Ancient Greek. Not even Ammon knows all of them. Do you not see how that’s very different than saying “I don’t know how to translate Ancient Greek”? Why do you think she would attempt to translate if she thought she doesn’t know how? Why not address her arguments instead of commenting on her supposed lack of expertise? Do you think if she said she had a PHD in Greek that she would suddenly be right about everything?

[@3Cheese42]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Hexaddict465 has the stronger point

[@scripturaltruth7636]

Ammon is also wrong about the Greek word he says is Predator. G3027 Strong’s λῃστης lēstēs. There are two separate words and one means robber and the other one predator. Λῃστής IS NOT ληιστής Λῃστής "Lestes" means robber ληιστής "Leistes" means predator And Λῃστής "Lestes" meaning robber is the actual word used in Joh 18:40 εκραυγασαν [They cried out] ουν [then] παλιν [again] παντες [all] λεγοντες [saying] μη [not] τουτον [this one] αλλα [but] τον [the] βαραββαν [Barabban] ην [was] δε [NOT] ο [the] βαραββας [Barabbas (ABBA’S SON)] ➡ ληστης [a robber] G3027 ⬅ ALL THREE VERSES HAVE Robber Λῃστής IN GREEK NOT Predator Ληιστής WITH THE IOTA Mat 26:55 At that hour Jesus said to the crowds, “Have you come out AS AGAINST A ROBBER ληστην G3027, with swords and clubs to capture me? Day after day I sat in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me. Mar 14:48 And Jesus said to them, “Have you come out AS AGAINST A ROBBER ληστην G3027 , with swords and clubs to capture me? Luk 22:52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders, who had come out against him, “Have you come out AS AGAINST A ROBBER ληστην G3027 , with swords and clubs? He is just systematically attacking Jesus the Son of the Father with fake information and people are not well studied enough to see it. Source: www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=lh%7Csth%2Fs&la=greek&can=lh%7Csth%2Fs1&prior=lhi/zomai&d=Perseus:text:1999.04.0058:entry=lh|sth/s&i=2

[@alirowan1999]

@@scripturaltruth7636I don't know which version you are writing with Robert, but many if the newer versions have realised what was intended by the word. if you listen to what I say in the video, and read up on my website, the gospel authors themselves define how lēstēs should be understood. Jn 18:40 Barabbas is described as a lēistēs. But in Mk 15:7 he's described as a conspirator - a rebel, just the same use of the word used by Josephus 114 times in his two volumes published in the early 90's. The best critical scholarship shows that none of the gospels were completed until the second century so all four used this same definition of lēstēs as rebel. It's confirmed throughout his trials that he was crucified for being the king of the Jews in rebellion against Caesar. Also, this was the actual accusation leveled against him by the religious leaders when they went to Pilate Lk 23:1-3, 14-15. They knew that every rebel was immediately crucified - how convenient to get rid of Jesus this way and blame the Romans for it when they, themselves, had long been plotting with the Herodotus how to get him killed (Mk 3:1-6). The charge sheet over Jesus head again confirms he was crucified for the crime of rebellion against Roman rule because he was king of the Jews in defiance of Caesar.

[@3Cheese42]

robber does not really make sense in that context, predator does.

[@michellejohnsen912]

Stop and think, do you arrest someone for an action or a adjective? A robber is a person who steals. A predator is an adjective not an action ​@@3Cheese42

[@Exploitiv]

This is another bad translation by a servant of the Church not a believer in the truth

[@KenDWebber]

λῃστὴν is the actual word used and it does indeed mean a trafficker in people. Sex trafficking. IF they wanted to indicate a thief or robber they'd use κλέφτης which they didn't because then there would have been no crime that would have outraged the crowd! You cut off the hand of a robber and that is that. But you catch someone having sex with a small child at the age of puberty to get that child's "cup of pornea" to drink his ejaculate (which also is there in the text) then you have a SERIOUS CRIME. The actual CONTEXT of the passages is that Ἰησοῦς is caught red handed and is claiming he's not a trafficker of children.

[@garyhonas1848]

1:09 if something is factual but wasn't accounted for by the ones who report on "what is and what isn't" history does that make it not a part of our history and instead a lie

[@phizldwarf]

Character assassination, "I don't speak ancient Greek, but I have picked up on a few words and he's translating it wrong ", 2hrs of word salad. Yup that sums it up

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@phizldwarf thanks for sharing, if it’s word salad, it should be easy to address her arguments. Why not give it a try?

[@leosullivan9228]

bc you led @AliRowan into an ad-hominem trap? @@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

[@MoshehKoke]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou can u read greek?

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

yup,-

[@phizldwarf]

Umm yeah I didn't post this to engage. It's a warning for people that try and give this a chance... it's a waste of time just like ya thought.

[@stephenkevindoss1474]

i started watching him a month or two ago and it turn so many things upside down. but i had to stop watching because of all the trump derangement syndrome made it seem like i was watching the bastard cousin version of The View. and now hearing this back story, this alternative interpretation…thank you, both of you.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@stephenkevindoss1474 thanks for sharing, we’re glad you found value in it

[@Lindisfarne666]

i stopped watching when he started with the political videos too lol

[@junkman7901]

Ammon is the Rachel Maddow of classical scholarship lol

[@scripturaltruth7636]

Ammon is also wrong in his translations. Mark 14:51-52 the word he said was some sex cloth "σινδονα" had nothing to do with that. It is σινδονα [shroud/Sindona fine linen cloth or veil] G4616 N-ASF The word "σινδονα" is a Latin word spelled out in Greek. Like many of the NT words they are actually from a different language than Greek. G4616 σινδών sindōn Thayer Definition: 1) linen cloth, especially that which was fine and costly, in which the bodies of the dead were wrapped 2) thing made of fine cloth 2a) of a light and loose garment worn at night over a naked body Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain (perhaps foreign) origin It is a burial shroud commonly used in 1st century. It is the same word for the Shroud of Turin which is called the Sacra (σινδονα) Sindona Mar 14:51 και [and] νεανισκος [young man/youngster/stripling/younker] τις [Who?/What?/a certain one] συνηκολουθει [follows] αυτω [to him] περιβεβλημενος [vested/wearing] ➡σινδονα [shroud/Sindona fine linen cloth or veil] G4616 N-ASF ⬅επι [on top of/upon] γυμνου [naked body] και [and] κρατουσιν [they hold] αυτον [him] Mar 14:52 ο [and] δε [but] καταλιπων [he left] την [the] ➡ σινδονα [shroud/ sindona] G4616 N-ASF⬅ γυμνος [naked] εφυγεν [he fled]

[@3Cheese42]

Regardless, it was not something one wore outside normally.

[@scripturaltruth7636]

@@3Cheese42 I think it was Lazarus and he rez him twice Joh 12:10 So, the chief priests made plans to put Lazarus to death as well, 11 because on account of him many of the Jews were going away and believing in Jesus.

[@Baptized_in_Fire.]

He never said it was a "sex cloth", which isn't a thing.

[@shaunpeters]

Hillman is definitely charismatic and intelligent, but there is also a creepy factor with him. Thanks for presenting the rest of the story on this.

[@junkman7901]

Chewy is his daughter who has to listen to hundreds of hours of his pedo Jesus fantasies and he screams ohhh gaawed and whips the ground lol If that’s not a red flag, ones radar is not working…

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

I never liked U2 very much,-

[@AngelDelgado-u4j]

i also would like to know your own sources

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@AngelDelgado-u4j Most are literally in the video. A source is just any ancient text one mentions which would include a Biblical text. Here is the link to her cite where she shows the sources. sites.google.com/view/nsv-critique/response-to-ammon-hillmans-lady-babylon-theory

[@tombsandtemples]

Cult? I don't know. I am happy to see content pointing out what he may or may not be up to, however. When you imagine encountering someone demon-influenced, or even an actual demon, what would they be saying? Talking about? I'd say his videos sum it up. I've watched many, until a few months ago, I clicked on one that disturbed me. He was clearly (annoyingly) on something, slurring more than usual, and his passion for his "work" suddenly appeared like nefarious mania to me rather than just a learned man who was using his knowledge of classical Greek to accurately translate holy scripture. It was like a spell suddenly broke, and I saw him for what he is....an evil, vile man whose goal is to corrupt any believers, confuse and ultimately destroy faith, and obviously win over souls for his master....Luscifer/Satan. If asked directly if that is his ultimate goal, I highly doubt even he would deny that. Anyway, I digress. I saw what he is. Left a comment saying as much, and unsubsidized. I used to enjoy gnostic informant as well. No longer. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Sadly, I continue to "see" the truth all around us. Not to get into it too much, but I will say that this is only going to ramp up. Not this guy, but evil, in general, will continue to be easier to identify. Personally, I lean heavily towards the likelihood that we are in the "short season" and the the millennial reign has passed. Either way, Jesus is coming agsin.

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

Oh man people like you are the reason people like me go nuts. Jesus is not coming back but religion is. Putin is spouting religion to appeal to the republicans in senate so he gets a good deal on Ukraine. I fear a rise in religious mania. Saying things like jesus is coming back is plain silly.

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

I just think everyone is missing the whole cult thing. The idea is to imagine being in the cult so you can see what a cult is like. Some of us have never been religious.

[@junkman7901]

His early work and lectures are actually quite good and refreshing, nothing like the hudreds of hours of deranged theater kid pedo mania he now exhibits while his daughter chewie has to listen and do all the dirty work. His soul seems to be corrupted with woke narratives, endless contradictions, hatred and a creepy pederast obsession. ❤

[@ennisdodd1888]

History is what is it is, props or not, but the fact America thinks a convict sex offender should be qualified to hold the highest office in the the land says all you need to know.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@ennisdodd1888 yeah that’s a bad situation

[@twentythree7sevensix]

1:35:46 Another piece of misinformation Ali, I watched the live where Gnostic reassures everyone that the disagreement between him and Ammon is purely academic and I think you'll find it's Snappy that brings it up and in fact Ammon is not even part of it unless I am getting the reference mistaken? You even leave out the fact that Gnostic references you directly and expressing how he would never air a personal grievance the way you have been and continue to do so?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@twentythree7sevensix Ammon will not talk to Neal at the moment due to his disagreement on an irrelevant question of the date of creation of the Hebrew Bible. You think that’s “purely academic”?

[@infiniteawareness69]

There is no religion higher than TRUTH ☯︎

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

I suspect that truth is much harder to follow than religion is.

[@elohimtept]

Aletheia

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

Searching for the truth is what got us all in this mess. It's a lovely world out there somewhere.

[@SeanMurphy00]

And there’s no religion more elusive than truth. It seems the more you search for it the harder it is to find, or define.

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

@@SeanMurphy00 Basically what is going on - science

[@janejones3170]

Instead of bringing stuff up that he tells people anyway let’s see your sources that disprove Mr. Hillman. Oh that would be to much let’s just dig up his skeletons and discredit him that way. I’m here for the sources that disprove him.😂

[@alirowan1999]

On my website I went into detail on the sources - especially those in the LSJ which disprove him. But it is more important to understand that his cras methodology is what invalidates all the imported connotations from the obscure Classical texts he knows.

[@junkman7901]

Would you scream ohhh gaawd while whipping the ground and make hundreds of hours of content revolving around pedo fantasies and drug dildos with your daughter chewie helping you produce these hundreds of hours of creepy content after you got fired for sexual harassment of young students ? 😂

[@kenorcutt301]

​@@alirowan1999Still slandering him. Shaking head. Your cras attitude and you being hurt from being excluded shows. You can't gain credibility but tearing someone else down. Didn't Jesus teach you this?

[@glennhudson4827]

It makes anything he says suspect. It speaks to his character

[@alexz7968]

Civility in discussion of any topic is fundamental to reaching any kind of understanding. Open debate of ideas should always be welcome and never lowered to personal attacks. If you value your ideas and believe them to be true you should always welcome discussion of them and be willing to engage in the challenging of them. I appreciate Ali Rowan's willingness to dedicate her time to expressing the oppositve view of a very complex topic. To attack her is to attack the essence of open, free debate. The ideas the most held close are the most difficult to challenge.

[@leosullivan9228]

critique is not attack. unless you're a patriarchal monotheist wannabe preacher

[@teddynoel2508]

i've been taking ancient text and translating in Google (AI) and it translates very close to Ammon's translation...can you give me a translation yourself and/or give me sites or literature that supports your narrative?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@teddynoel2508 AI just compiles whatever is on the internet and forwards it back to you. I use it for some things but it’s ability to look at ancient texts is way behind where scholarship is because it doesn’t have a way to differentiate what some random guy on the internet thinks compared to the arguments given from an actual scholar. Much of what scholarship says also isn’t available for free so AI is basically pulling from data that is 200 years old and we have learned a lot more about how ancient languages work since then. If you’re looking for a detailed analysis of how to translate specific texts, you can check out Ali’s website who goes in detail about Ammon’s translations. You can check out the videos that I’ve posted here. If you just want a good translation, the NRSVUE and NRSV is a translation made by scholars that aren’t specifically religious so you don’t really have to worry about bias as much. Otherwise, you’re stuck with doing what other scholars do which is to look at lexicons like the LSJ and BDAG to see how words are used to see the possibilities and then to use methods of analysis to try and understand what an ancient writer would’ve been thinking when using such a word. It’s not as simple as listening to one scholar and accepting what they say. If you want to understand this topic, you really have to analyze the arguments for why Ammon thinks something like Christos means “drugged one” in the New Testament compared with the arguments that other scholars who reject Ammon’s view would present for why they don’t take such a view.

[@teddynoel2508]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou thank you

[@theonetruetim]

I loved Ali's presence in chat. Took her side, when the programmed jackal wannabe's started tearing flesh from one of their/our supposed own. [We, Initiates, and all] Came to same end/conclusions/process, thereafter. They say hail Reason in that cult [defined as a one way relationship] they say Septuagint is oldest text re: Pentateuch. They say a lot of things that are easily disproven. Echo chamber is an apt [but charitable] description of the congregation, now. I will watch this is the morning, with fresh eyes. Just wanted to drop a comment and a like to bolster Ali's account, to vouch for her presence, character, and conclusions as fair and well earned - & to say something to represent my experience. [which was not casual. Many will claim to have been there. They were not. Perhaps as late comers. Hillman's stage presence is intense and can impress upon someone a greater importance than actual time spent or attendance given justifies.] Anyhow - i will prolly update my thoughts after i take this in, come morning, coffee, and more salient bearings, then. So Better comment, incoming... Happy this was done. Ali is real deal Initiate and friend. Hail Satan [the one who opposes false authority accounts and history. Not Hillman's femme boy pervert apologia laden greed fest version] ttys

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

In all fairness if you are very serious about the texts you should be looking and learning yourself and not following a KZbin show. For a laugh yes but deadly serious? Use logic.

[@alirowan1999]

@@theonetruetim Thank you for the generous endorsement. I recognize your name from KZbin comments on the LadyBabylon666 shows but have to guess at your actual identity. I have a couple of ideas, though. But please do comment further once you've listened again more thoroughly. And Hall Satan backacha! 😉

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

​@@alirowan1999Did you pay money?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@theonetruetim thanks for sharing! I’m sure Ali appreciates the support.

[@alirowan1999]

@@GrandpaOnATunedScooter sorry? For what?

[@JEREMYSANDRUBY-n6k]

Hail The Muses 🍷

[@Illuminationheliios]

🍷💜All Hail the Muses

[@9119brian]

Hail the Muses indeed

[@Doesitinvolvedogs]

Hail the three stooges

[@AscensionSeries]

Sounds like the girls found out what the props are actually based on, they became embarrassed and felt it was a form of sexual harassment, Ammon may have tried to reason with them by going to their dorm. Then, St Mary's may have over reacted trying to protect the students over their embarrassment, sounds like the church used irresponsible words like "Stalked" and "sexual harassment" to protect themselves. This lady talking about Pan, Ammon in the video clearly didn't say it was 8 hours of saying the word Pan, he said "he had 8 hours of grilling" not repeating of the word Pan and said further: "that implied that I was a Satanist and a worker of magic, an opener of portals" so this lady sounds like she is reaching.. Overall, this lady sounds like she is slandering him. This video was released 3 weeks ago, Ammon told the story about the lawsuit first, long before this accusation, so there is nothing here that he didn't tell anyone. About the initiation, Ammon states he doesn't believe in the book, states is BS, but Allie here, isn't even mention in your video description, acts as though she is a Nun looking for evidence that Ammon is initiating a cult, maybe working with the devil - the cult she is ignoring that the first Christians initiated others into. Acting out is one thing but he didn't drug/christening them. I can't watch anymore. Your channel's name is "what your Pastor didn't tell you" Ammon is not a Pastor, stick with Pastors! Apparently even if he gave initiation the same way described, wouldn't have have to be a Pastor & initiate himself to make it real?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@AscensionSeries I don’t know why you feel confident enough to blindly speculate on what happened but here’s the actual court documents on why he was fired for sexual harassment. Short story, he said a bunch of really inappropriate things to multiple women and one man. He also admitted to stalking. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIvIYoV_adV6hqcsi=nJeG7QyOw03zNuT2

[@AscensionSeries]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Affidavits are not evidence. It's hearsay unless there are audio recordings of what he said - that is the blindness you're not taking into consideration. You and I weren't there to witness. Did he visit her multiple times, multiple locations? We don't know. Have you ever been to court? I have. I get it, you want to investigate. Investigate if the performance took place first and the court afterwards-that may indicate there was embarrassment that triggered a coverup. I see in your videos that it appears you are biased to prove the word of the Bible is correct -that's your prerogative but maybe you're protecting it too much to consider something sinister did take place and reach for what you're more comfortable with instead. There are some corrupt Judges, just as there are some corrupt doctors in health services. To be clear, I'm not for or against Ammon but the info that's being provided/said is sketchy. Maybe you can gain access to Court Audio , that would help your presentation such as admitting to stalking etc.

[@spirituallevelofbeing7308]

If you want someone to interview and call out the Lies and crap of Ammon I'm your man. His audience is scared of me because I debunk ammons whole weird theory and I give alternative Greek translations he does not

[@G4L4CTIC]

@@spirituallevelofbeing7308 I’m not scared let’s chat

[@spirituallevelofbeing7308]

@G4L4CTICR4DIO cool debunking Hillman kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2iYo5RoicR3rLcsi=LaakZddXlYog_ByI

[@occultexaminer]

I will interview you if you wish. Some trolls are signaling hard and trying to intimidate, thank you for being willing to speak up.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@spirituallevelofbeing7308 thanks for sharing, do you have any videos where you have covered what Ammon said?

[@spirituallevelofbeing7308]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou debunking hillman would be my main one. Other times I tried not mentioning his name, I didn't want to give him anymore publicity than he has. My call out was after his fans kept attacking the channel. They kind of backed of a lot after that one.

[@nick31111111]

You just said the word lestace has no cult connection and cannot mean sex trafficking. Lucian shows massive cult connection with the term and sex trafficking. Writing contemporaneous w many new testament writings. You also just referenced a greek word and made claims about it with zero references or spelling. At least Ammon and even Neal will give some proof w references we can see for ourselves. You need to get it together.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@nick31111111 thanks for actually interacting with the video! I applaud your effort. from Ali: Ammon said that Lucian used leistes with a cult association contemporaneous to New Testament writing. That's true ... well almost. He used the word to mean pirate as it DID do in Classical Greek. Lucian wrote all of his works in Classical Greek using Classical connotations. On the other hand, all of the New Testament texts are written in the later development of Koine Greek with many different semantics - where leistēs no longer meant "pirate." Peirates did. Lucian, the Classicist, using leistes in this way is an irrelevancy for understanding how the Koine speaking gospel authors were using it. My thoughts: For an analogy, this is like the word “bad”. In 1980s American slang, bad could mean something positive, like “cool” or “awesome” (“That car is bad!”). But if someone from a rural area today, speaking in a more traditional context, says, “That’s a bad cow,” they’re using it in its original, negative sense. Referring to the 1980s slang use of bad to interpret what the rural speaker means would be completely irrelevant, as the word’s meaning depends entirely on the cultural and temporal context of its usage. Similarly, Lucian’s Classical Greek usage of leistēs to mean “pirate” doesn’t help us understand how the Koine-speaking gospel authors used it, as the semantic range of the word had shifted over time. Either way, just because it’s possible that lesteis is a reference to trafficking doesn’t mean it is a reference. Possible doesn’t equal probable. Where is the argument that the Biblical writers are using it that way? Where is the evidence?

[@ekalb666]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Lucian spoke Koine Greek. As a writer from the 2nd century AD, the common language of the time was Koine Greek, not the older Attic Greek. Explanation: Koine Greek: The everyday language spoken across the Hellenistic world after Alexander the Great's conquests, which is considered the "common Greek". Attic Greek: An older dialect of Greek primarily associated with Athens, which was used in literature but not as widely spoken in Lucian's time.

[@nick31111111]

@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou I'm learning attic but from what i can research there is massive overlap of vocab with koine. Your contention with the word lestace meaning traffickers is that through time the meaning has changed w koine dialect but you admit to Lucius using classical Greek in the period of the writing of the New testament used the 'older' meaning. So the same use remained in certain contexts contemporary w the nt. You also claim that rhabdon could be a staff yet even Ammon showed that there was a better term for staff that was not chosen in the Moses context. Id really like to see the sources that you're using to define these koine terms. Without being able to read and understand the koine I think it's hard to determine which meaning was used and that requires context and the ability to read the Greek which I don't currently have and I suspect you don't have either. I think it's important to consider that if there were ancient bronze age mystery rights continuing through the ages ancient words and concepts and rituals would be kept. Although certain words may not have been used by your average citizen I think it's important to remember that ancient words would be used in the context just like Latin is still used today and the Catholic context.

[@Winning33]

Pirate is synonymous with human trafficking. Do you think pirates only stole "booty" from ships? Of course not. And so leustus isn't used to mean "pirate" anymore in the more modern koine Greek so what does leustus mean then?

[@fasted8468]

Ammon Hillman doesn't really have a philosophy beyond parisitism. Find something people like, ramble about it, repeat. As far as I can tell he has no definable philosophy to write down.

[@junkman7901]

He also contradicts all his claims of moral high ground.

[@jasonpepe7617]

@@fasted8468 totally agree. Even with all of his education / degrees, Ammon is a dipshitidiot - too much a dipshit to realise how big an idiot he is.

[@nick31111111]

@@fasted8468 I don't think anyone cares about his philosophy. The big claims are whats interesting.

[@Flyspray420]

@@junkman7901 constantly! He always said "greed stains your soul with the stench of ruin" then. Goes on podcasts like Danny Jones that are extremely commercial and greedy. But a Jew selling merch. No way that's horrible!

[@TravisTellsTruths]

He mass censors every opposing comment. He's a pure partisan and hypocrite. I massively challenged him... the result? My 2 share youruve accounts got terminated. He's literally a foreign psyop.

[@BPTacticalSovereignty]

How do you get shunned by a KZbin channel?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@BPTacticalSovereignty start a cult

[@OfficialDeadOnAim]

Lady I'm not following you into the back alley

[@interqward1]

I like to see what others have to say - which I did do here - but I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Hillman is definitely spinning his own turn on the precision of linguistics that he does employ, and his language skills are almost flawless (my grandfather was from the Ionian Islands and was very knowledgeable about Ancient Greek and spoke Katharevousa), but he is much more valuable to the public awareness of the matters and texts in question than the mainstream of academia have EVER presented in the past. My grand-uncle bequeathed his personal private books of the Ancient Classics to Oxford and all I can say is we must never ever forget that Oxford was SET UP as an anti-movement to the mainstream Europe religious orders' lock on the Classics and they lie and have lied as much as anyone you can imagine for the self-same motives of power and institutional self-aggrandizing. For example Oxford NEVER allowed Virginia Woolf into their classes BECAUSE she was a female... Hillman is quite wrong of course in his ultimate conclusions but his statements of fact (which this lady above more or less laughed at) are well-known to be the accurate meanings the texts by lineages in Europe and the Mediterranean cultures who go back that far - I mean basically, high aristocracies who have always had access to the Classical texts and ideas and knowledge. The problem with academics generally, and this lady is a fine example of it, is they can never admit the power inherent in these ancient cults and sects and so on, because they want the power themselves and have it be confined to the tyranny of mainstream institutions. You CANnot get this power from books alone or from political and economic institutions. Academia IS a cult. Yes yes, Hillman is undoubtedly narcissistic and opinionated, albeit disguising it as 'simply going to the sources.' ...If only this lady's delivery was more objective and also less inclined to spin things to suit her own ennui. Hillman's question about 'what was Jesus doing at 4 am...' remains unanswered both by him and by these kinds of ordinary academics fundamentally because they are ALL incapable of being honest and telling the truth. She talks about 'the rules' (I suppose she means of academic exegesis) and utterly fails to address his actual neon-sign textual point.

[@OfficialDeadOnAim]

@ she completely and utterly failed at proving anything all I heard was slander with no merit "I won't go into this now, Ill save this for later" on key points to Ammon's arguments that she never gets to. "I'm not going to go into this now it's all on my website" then going to her website and seeing the "cherry-picked" evidence which isn't even substantiated by her argument, her lack of education and lack of translational skill are all I need to know her argument is bunk. In fact this just lends more credence to Ammon's work. Trying to proclaim that even though you're not a scholar of philology, philosophy, or linguistics that you then understand the methodology of translating ancient texts is completely laughable what we have here is a case of someone putting bullet points down on a power point, slandering someone and having absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

[@interqward1]

@@OfficialDeadOnAim Exactly!

[@alirowan1999]

@@interqward1 you give a more exalted opinion of myself than I hold, sir. I have no financial interest in anything I have presented not any allegiance to any academic institution - my motive is purely philanthropic. Whether it's a comfortable truth or not there ARE rules for rigorous hermeneutics to ensure a trustworthy measure of validity in a translation. One cannot do as Hillman does for these quasi historical texts to ascertain anything closer to a historically accurate translation. For instance, much of his cultic interpretation of Biblical texts he has derived from the fifth century Paraphrase of John produced by Nonnus - the author of the epic poem, the Dionysaiaca. This text celebrates everything Bacchanalian and with this mindset and lens Nonnus scoured the texts of the New Testament to import Bacchanalian practice into it. He is not even faithful to the text of John's gospel, but also melds in convenient details from other Gospels. Nonnus wasn't even claiming this was an accurate historical account of the events, but merely a literary exercise. Yet Ammon treats it as if Nonnus somehow became the proverbial fly on the first century walls and faithfully recorded every word and action as historical fact. If only Ammon would reassure his listeners that he is producing a novel INTERPRETATION there would be no issue with what he's doing. But because he's claiming he is uncovering actual historical facts concealed in the language and that he's bringing "the reality" about Jesus .... And is recruiting evangelists to spread this "gospel" in his name, he is abusing the simple trust of his followers. It is for these philanthropic reasons that I have persisted in highlighting the flaws in what he claims is "the reality." An alternative voice needs to be heard to give the followers opportunity to assess for themselves if what he's giving them has any credibility. And yes, I did express my credulity over some of his patently flawed technique and claims derived from it. Perhaps that was not called for. Thank you for pointing this out and I will keep it in mind for future interviews.

[@alirowan1999]

@@OfficialDeadOnAim thank you for glancing at my website. I don't believe you gave it the attention it needed to see that I have merely highlighted the Lexical definitions from the original sources which contradict Hillman's claims. I am not merely giving my opinion but the textual evidence, sir. And as I have said repeatedly you also could do as I have done - chase up the originals in the LSJ and give them more scrutiny than Hillman has done.

[@LeeCooke-rc6su]

I think his demons are just doing what they do...

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

they sound like nice people

[@jeremygardner153]

I always sensed something was off about this guy. Suuuure, he teleported and hovered over a girl in the middle of the night. Either that, or he broke and entered into a students dorm, attempted something foul, student wakes up in the midst of his "magic". He's caught, spins a tail,and his dark, edgy persona is born

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@jeremygardner153 yeah weird stuff either way

[@alirowan1999]

@@jeremygardner153 I wouldn't go as far as insinuating he actually entered the room in person. It's far more likely if there is any substance to it, the girl who *witnessed" it was just having a nightmare. Have you also noticed that the only alleged correspondent to Hillman of the event "went mad" and ran off? How convenient that he wasn't around to testify or verify anything. 🤔 And the enquiry by the Catholic Church found no evidence of it, either. I didn't bring this up in the video, but here is some food for thought. At the impressionable age of 13, Hillman was obsessed with reading "The shining." In it all the supernatural powers make Jack go mad. Isn't it a coincidence that the alleged two people that gave the prophecy to Hillman in Israel both also "Went mad and ran off"? Seems like he's run out of original ideas for his tall tales when creating this edgy Occult persona, don't you think?

[@3Cheese42]

That would have garnered a police report, which there is no evidence of.

[@3Cheese42]

@@alirowan1999 Yea, I don't believe it. That would have gone past the line in which police involvement would be require...yet there was none.

[@TravisTellsTruths]

Hes emeye666

[@christinehemberger5177]

We need more videos expos in this guy say he's protected by troop demons 😂

[@n.forwardslash.a]

He stated himself, for scientific reasons, he applied the text description, and clearly, it worked. Perhaps he has done more. With such, and a greater level of understanding, one would know how this perception works. Applying such, he presents exactly what he is supposed to present. Does not the Bible say, I, god, bring good and evil... paraphrased? Respective to one's perspective, of course. It does indeed state such. Balance through cycles occurs on every level of awareness or consciousness. Nothing new under the Sun. It is lovely that you respected the conflict presented in your other presentstion and applied a response here, however, your debate or story remains weak, respectfully. Getting better, though, you simply fail in credibility and presentation that doesn't prove anything. You are, however, demonstrating you do not have ears to hear and eyes to see. You are at a level of understanding that can only see the oranges when there is so much more. Out of frustration, you present what is in your heart, but it is not what you think you are presenting... it reveals so much more of what is running your show. Either the text are real, or they are not. So what you are saying is they are, they work and bring one power, wisdom, knowing, and so much more, in such ways, yet one needs to be committed to be allowed such understanding? You are saying you do not want to be in a mystery cult? Ok. You do not desire to show that this world's way is not your focus, then do not. Yet, if the text is true, then one would know what is occurring here, as he clearly reveals the text, and the text reveals all seen within the world and what is to come, for some. Can you not see it? He presents the text to us, and we can verify it or not. We can think for ourselves or not. Have you asked yourself why you desire to present such? This will help guide your argument. Get your game in order, gather your thoughts and evidence, and present in a reasonable, logical manner, and then you debate the doctor on the facts. Let the audience argue with your sources and texts, not your opinion, because you have not earned credibility or relationship, so you emote to a populous, and lose credibility, and waste our time. It is all scienticic, and you either understand the psychology and sociology, show the sources, or just stop; interject your opinion only when you have gained the audience. You have not. May I suggest a few things for your debate? It was good that you presented his videos. However, present your evidence like he does and prove it, how he does. You do not know it, but you made his points stronger by this video. All as you were to do. You still present like you are ego rejected and are trying to get back at him by emoting. You also add the essence of medling and the project the perception that you perceive the audience as mindless idiots you must save; if you can just help one person; I was lucky and found out before it was too late... stop, It is very unbecoming and so selfish-like to ask us to take our time to listen to you whine, so you feel better. Give us some credit. Let go, focus on your highest power, and stay there. Do not look away. The rest will be as it should, you will be and do all you are to, and what is to occur will and visa versa. It is his club, if he wants you to wear a mickey mouse hat to enter the clubhouse, you wear it or you don't. But that is not what he is doing, thankfully. He is following and doing exactly as he is supposed to do. Do you understand all is and are being done? You are not who you think you are. But you can not see on the level from which you are seeing the world. Good luck with working out those kinks. I know you can do it. I am looking forward to a debate down the road with the Doc., or your understanding as you dive deeper and you advocating the cause you find yourself upon after greater seeking. I will enjoy the show no matter.

[@alirowan1999]

All my logically gathered facts are on my website. I know that Hillman dare not debate me. I asked twice to speak with him when I was in the Discord with him and emailed Danny Jones to say I was willing to be the one sat across the table to discuss his materials. The coward will not engage with me. In fact he is so afraid of the damage I do, that he has hidden all my factual rebuttals I used to make in the comments of his videos and instructed his most faithful to block me from replying directly to them. He has consistently "frustrated" my intent to shine a spotlight on his errors - and has nicknamed me "sisters of Frustration" because of it. It is a very foolish title, because it betrays his own hand in hiding from the truth I bring.

[@nick31111111]

Okay you just claimed that Ammons argument for the Greek being written first is that the Greek language is just more complex this tells me you obviously don't understand his argumentation that's not his argumentation his argumentation is that the use of the Greek in the Septuagint is more complex with more information put in than the Masoretic text therefore if the Greek was a translation it would be basically a forgery with the amount of information put in to the Greek usage of the Septuagint. Its not the potential in the language but the actual usage of the language in the text. Listen, ln the Septuagint Moses has a magic rod in the Masoretic text he has a staff. There is another layer of detail and specificity in the Greek Septuagint that is not in the Masoretic text it's the difference of the text not a difference of the languages. So far you've presented a lot of vague claims with very little argumentation and maybe two examples you've made a very poor case.

[@jasonpepe7617]

MTMPiR. Go on - say each letter out loud . MTMPiR. Sure it does not spell a word - however it does create a phrase. Ammon’s message fits that phrase - as does his Satanic stance. MTMPiR = Empty Empire.

[@st.wolfgang4460]

This guy gets it

[@jasonpepe7617]

Jesus is my Lord and Savior.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

I don’t understand your argument. Why would the amount of information put in to the Greek usage of the LXX have any influence on whether it is a forgery? How does that follow? Why isn’t it more likely that there are differences because the Greek writers weren’t experts in Hebrew? Or because they had bias? Or because they didn’t know the text as well as they should’ve? Or maybe they simply misread the text? How does LXX Moses having a magic rod and the Masoretic text having a staff having any influence on which was written first? Can you not think of a way where a LXX writer would have a reason to translate the Masoretic text from a staff to a magic rod? What about that is improbable? Even if you say “I can’t think of a reason”, how many LXX commentaries have you read to try and learn a possible reason? Do you think this argument is just unknown to scholars? Literally every Greek scholar on the planet isn’t aware of this except for Ammon Hillman? How would having another layer of detail and specificity in the LXX that isn’t in the Masoretic text have any influence on which direction is translated? Dr. Joel Korytko is an actual Greek LXX scholar. His job relies on him knowing the text from top to bottom. He risks losing a job if he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He compiled a number of arguments that he thinks proves there’s no possible way that the Hebrew text is a translation. Tell me what is more likely, that a Greek translator would never translate from a staff to a magic rod or that a Greek translator, translating many years after a text is written, would misunderstand Jewish idioms and niche Hebrew grammar? kzbin.info/www/bejne/omS5c62ro9B5sLssi=3X3TNgEvCneuU7GO

[@nick31111111]

@@jasonpepe7617 you believe that God commanded the murder of children?

[@janejones3170]

You should have started the show with your sources that disprove Mr. Ammon ,but that would be asking to much.I don’t care about Mr. Hillman personal life ,just in his Sources.Sad

[@junkman7901]

Oh gaawed the sources, but do you care about his lies + distorted interpretations and opinions on these sources ? No

[@alirowan1999]

The purpose of showing the court documments was to establish the fact that Hillman is not truthful - he would rather hide behind a persona than be held accountable - He would rather manipulate and misquote texts than keep integrity to them

[@alirowan1999]

My reply to nick3111111 is not showing up. He said that Lucian used lēistēs with a cult association contemporaneous to New Testament writing. That's true ... well almost. He used the word to mean pirate as it DID do in Classical Greek. Lucian wrote all of his works in Classical Greek using Classical connotations. On the other hand, *all* of the New Testament texts are written in the later development of Koine Greek with many different semantics - where lēistēs no longer meant "pirate." Peiratēs did. Lucian, the Classicist, using lēistēs in this way is an irrelevancy for understanding how the Koine speaking gospel authors were using it.

[@EBSMuzik]

Ληστης doesn't mean "robber". The Romans didn't crucify thieves. Lucian tells us that they did crucify pirates. Lucian also tells us that pirates were human traffickers. Also... the Septuagint uses περάτη in Genesis in reference to Abram. That's 300 years before the gospels... 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@alirowan1999]

@EBSMuzik if you read my analysis and had actually heard the video, you would know that the authors defined lēstēs as revel themselves. Check out Jn 18:40 and Mark 15:7 for proof and read it together with Luke 23: 1-3, 14-15 fit confirmation. He was accused of being a rebel by calling himself king of the Jews. That is the charge under which he was crucified with it written I've his head on the cross. No trafficking charges or cross questioning in all of his three trials. As Ammon says, "nobody reads their Bibles"

[@alirowan1999]

@EBSMuzik first you have not comprehended the point I made to nick3111111. Lucian was writing in the older form of Greek where lēstēs could mean pirate. It can't mean pirate in the newer form of Greek in which the gospels are written. Next it is obvious you have not heard the video but are merely trusting the rhetoric.you've heard. The Gospel authors, themselves define the meaning of lēstēs. It is not possible for it to mean neither pirate/trafficker nor robber in this context of the arrest of Jesus. It is rebel/conspirator/insurrectionist. Check out John 18;40 with Mark 15:7. Barabbas is called a lēistēs in John and a conspirator in Mark - because they have the same meaning. And for confirmation see how he was accused to Pilate of being a rebel in Luke 23:1-3, 14-15. He was crucified for making himself king of the Jews - that's what his questioning was about. That is what is written above his head on the cross as the crime for which he was crucified. Zero mention anywhere of trafficking, sex crimes or racketeering. As your teacher says, "no-one reads their Bible." He is making up all of his narrative and forcing this square pen nn into the round hole of the actual accounts

[@alirowan1999]

@@EBSMuzik I also need to point out Hillman's textual trickery to make Abraham become a "pirate." Gen 13:14 in the LXX used a different Hebrew text at this point than the one that the Masoretes used - they had "Abram the Hebrew" and the LXX had "Abram tōi perátēi" (dative case of peratēs) meaning Abram the wanderer or emigrant. The word is not PEIRATĒS pirate (despite his carefully selected little detour around Hēsychius' Lexicon). And the rest of that show called "The etymology of Hebrew" and more fabricating about Abraham and Isaac have been built from this trick with some other conveniently cherry-picked connotations of only a few other words and a lot of leading statements and irrelevant cult descriptions being imported into the text to "prove" it's about sex trafficking children for the same alleged Mystery rite Jesus was doing. *UTTER BUNKUM!*

[@ElloSheerio]

Thank you for your consistency in truth speaking. I myself love the Lord and I know you are not a believer. However, you are fighting a good fight and shedding light on all of Ammons' dark manipulation. My hope is that people wake up. Unfortunately, their hate for Jesus will make them cling to any person with arguments against Him.

[@pirangeloferretti3588]

His 'cherry picking' for the most suitable meanings of Greek words was the main red flag for me.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@G4L4CTIC thanks for sharing, I’d love to hear you address her arguments if you think he’s not doing that.

[@NN-rs1ny]

@@pirangeloferretti3588 do you even read Greek?, I'm not saying I do! But I don't even know if he's saying the truth , all he's saying is that he's been reading greek for 30 years and has the credentials phd this phd that , it's kinda hard to counter argument what he says

[@3Cheese42]

If he is "cherry picking" it would imply that Christian scholars are "cherry picking" as well.

[@3Cheese42]

@@NN-rs1ny The crazy part is literally no one has disproven what he has stated. Allegedly there are "all these Ph.d's", but so far all I have ever seen was "Nuh uhhhhhhhhh". I think Ammon is the superior source on this matter because of that.

[@alirowan1999]

@@NN-rs1nyThis is really a reply to 3cheese42 but he like many die-hard Ammonites have blocked me from replying directly to them. But I also hope it might make sense to you, too. Zach has added the link to my website in the video description. There, I disprove his claims very soundly. The critical reason for his apparent "expertise" at *translating* is that he doesn't play by the rules for sound translations. I don't question his Philology: that is, indeed, excellent. But it is only ONE member of the translating team. The rest of them he has chosen to play with are useless bullies who commit so many fouls and will not obey Truth blowing the whistle. Every translation he claims he "scores" against the translations derived from rigorous scholarship, Truth proclaims is disallowed because of the many fouls committed to arrive at it.

[@nancyhuertas5562]

Jesus went off to pray. The bible didn't say anything about going there to baptized anyone.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@nancyhuertas5562 yes, but you can also use that logic with Ammon’s argument. I think there are better options than both of them.

[@nancyhuertas5562]

Please. Whole video was a waste of time. At least your views went up eh ​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@nancyhuertas5562 it might not be a waste of time if you took some time to actually address more than one argument 🙂

[@Winning33]

Telling everyone to invoke an incubus demon on that pastor is one hell of a joke. He's either one silly joker or really is into black magic.

[@chasegartner8345]

I would love to see you have someone on who discusses Anatoly Fomenko's work. I've been searching file someone who can actually debunk him because at this point, I'm siding with Fomenko. Interestingly enough, Fomenko's theories directly affect Ammons claims as well, because from what i understand, a big reason you're saying Ammon is wrong is due to the split in Greek after the death of Alexander the great, which means that if Fomenko is correct, Ammons claims hold a bit more water. I definitely am not as convinced about Ammons claims as i was before watching this video, but i wish someone would do this for Fomenko

[@3Cheese42]

Why exactly are you not as convinced?

[@omahaflynn5937]

You are now Amon's personal Paparazzi..the more you expose the more you give him a platform. ...He is banking on it

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@omahaflynn5937 nobody from my audience of intellectual Christians is interested in his videos but okay

[@koosalagoopagoop]

​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYouYour pastor did not tell you that you are in a pedo cult. It will be ok there is people to talk to outside if you need help you will be ok.

[@TravisTellsTruths]

That guy got my 2 spare YT avcounts DELETED for seriously challenging him on deep Philosophical grounds.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@TravisTellsTruths huh? Wow, how would someone do that? I didn’t know that was possible!

[@TravisTellsTruths]

​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou mass reporting you for bs. That was after all my comments were being removed. Its a long story.

[@garyhonas1848]

10:05 so far I'm hearing an attack on a person and not an attack of his teachings

[@Flyspray420]

His character comes into question because he openly lies. And spreads false information.

[@garyhonas1848]

​@Flyspray420 Yeah, that's the thing. I'm still waiting to hear the false information...as for the lies ..I've lied and alot worse...how about yourself...judge yourself before judging others my guy...as long as he's reading the text true then I see no issue

[@Flyspray420]

@@garyhonas1848 you lied about stalking woman? I have not done anything like that. no s*x ritual involving a ch*ld is in the original Greek text, you can't point it out. Ammon inserted it.

[@Flyspray420]

@@garyhonas1848 Plenty of work refuted. Actually, no s*x ritual involving a kid is in the original Greek text. Ammon has not provided any credible evidence in the 1st place.

[@Flyspray420]

@@G4L4CTIC Ali isn't a Christian if you cant tell. Do you actually believe Ammon? Because frankly that's embarrassing.

[@Exploitiv]

Dr. Ammon is a genius. He’s a little weird but ultimately he’s highly educated seeker in the truth. Just because some girls at school say that he opened up portals and shape shifted doesn’t make any of it true, it’s just hearsay. St. Mary’s is a catholic school that didn’t like what Dr. Ammon discovered in his research. The Ancient Greek was more profound than any other language in history and nobody ever wanted to dive into it. Now that he has every believer is trying to discredit him and his work. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. In mine, I already knew the truth before I even heard of Dr.Ammon.

[@abysmios]

Banned from live chat? What did I do?

[@G4L4CTIC]

Same

[@G4L4CTIC]

This cat is a typical christ boy. Weak beard and all lol

[@Neoprototype]

​@@G4L4CTICBut according to Aion you're part of their group. 😂

[@abysmios]

​@@JamesDimond-l7u I think it's just a "time-out"

[@abysmios]

@@G4L4CTIC I think it's just a "time-out"

[@AnnaBanana1706]

Thank you so much. I have been wanting to go through and check Ammon’s translations but I haven’t had the time. This is so helpful! I stopped watching when I started to see the cultish behaviour and that he was giving a vey confused moral message. On the one hand he is saying how awful Jesus is for the SA of children, yet he lionising the Greek culture and religion which he claims does the same thing. I also think that he used hating on Trump as a way to purge his audience.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

Wow, I keep seeing the message a lot. Thanks for sharing!

[@rhb30001]

So glad that you made this video exposing this man

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@rhb30001 I’m glad you found value in this

[@3Cheese42]

Yet, it didn't

[@alirowan1999]

@@3Cheese42 It exposes him as readily being untruthful with his past, with the persona he portrays and with his translations. That was the point of the video.

[@alirowan1999]

@@rhb30001 I do recognise you from when I was able to make comments on the LB666 videos before he blocked me (the coward). I know you've been waiting a long time for content on my KZbin channel, sorry. I believe I will begin making content once Christmas is out of the way. Reading these comments and the misunderstandings people are having, gives me reason to produce more precise and shorter vids each concentrating on a particular aspect. An archive of well researched rebuttals is very much needed, methinks.

[@leosullivan9228]

lol@@alirowan1999 no such thing happened. this is all re-interpretation of Ammon's theatrical style. Quote: "i dont think its anything malicious... its grabbing the bull and running with it..." kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHexmJ6Mnb5oe5Y#1:17:00

[@twentythree7sevensix]

Where are the links to the videos you show of Ammon so people can watch the whole video and decide for themselves what it implies instead of having to rely on the short and or sped up clips and Ali's determination of what is being said?

[@alirowan1999]

It was not possible to add them there. But everything I have shown you is traceable and in context. I have the time stamps visible for everything I have on my website. THey were mostly at 1.5 times speed merely to keep the entire video at a manageable length.

[@boxerfencer]

1:46 "i was involved with Amon before the video KZbin video started in 2023".

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@boxerfencer She was saying she was talking with Ammon before his channel started. What about it?

[@boxerfencer]

@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou we all know what "being involved with" means, and it undermines this entire exposé, and suggestive of the true motivation behind this entire enterprise.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@boxerfencer I don’t know what “being involved” means to you.

[@boxerfencer]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou do you REALLY want me to answer? Or are you just saving face? And going to delete my response if it upends your agenda, as with previous responses of mine?? What the expression means to me is the same thing it means to you or any native speaker. It just needs some sincerity. If you think it's subjective, as you imply, why don't you ask AI, which might offer a more objective perspective. I think you might find it says something along the lines of ... "When "being involved with" is used in relation to another person, it typically suggests a romantic or sexual relationship. However, the exact nature of the relationship can vary and may not be explicitly defined. It could range from a casual fling to a serious committed relationship. It's important to note that the specific meaning can be influenced by cultural norms and individual interpretations. Here are some possible interpretations: * Romantic Relationship: This is the most common interpretation, suggesting a relationship based on love, affection, and emotional intimacy. * Sexual Relationship: This implies a physical relationship without necessarily involving romantic feelings. * Casual Relationship: This refers to a less serious relationship with less commitment and exclusivity." Pretty clear. Even a non sentient computer program knows what "being involved with someone" means. Remember, you asked.

[@hotoptics]

@@boxerfencer im not on either side. none of us have read any of these sources but she very clearly states that she was part of the group, the myth discord. She additionally states being married for 40 years and not interested in the Bacchic rites of shaving head/one night stand. your conviction makes it sound like a nice try but it's more cherrypicking

[@hotoptics]

The story here is a small community of truth seekers began to commingle. One who is clearly doing it with a level of theater and innuendo begins to take off and disparages this woman and others in their community. She was barred from her own area of study for challenging, academically, what is blatantly a cultic situation. Ammon's cult of personality took over and caused confusion and (appropriately) dischord. all understandable.

[@ACuriousChild]

THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE - THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - ONLY AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER! SOLI DEO GLORIA!

[@ekalb666]

You can't say that Ammon is wrong because of anachronism with out first proving that works like Galen which is written in Greek are not anachronistic with Greek works like the New testament. So you have not scored a goal. You have fumbled at the 1st yard line and Ammon has charged through your defenses and is now celebrating with a touchdown dance. BTW, all of these character attacks that you trundle though the internet make you look really bad.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@ekalb666 they’re different kinds of Greek. Every scholar in the world acknowledges this except for Ammon. There’s literally hundreds and hundreds of works written on this. This is the equivalent of saying King James English is the same as 21st century English. Why is that difficult to understand?

[@ekalb666]

How are they two different kinds of Greek? what makes New testament Greek so different than the Greek Galen wrote when both are written around the same time? Is British English Sooo different than American English. Even king James English shares most word definitions with modern English. If Ammon was full of shit then when you apply the orphic vox to the bible you should get gibberish. You don't because the bible is an orphic text. Ali admitted to it being a coherent testimony when you apply his "cherry picked" definitions. his definitions aren't cherry picked they come from other works contemporary with the bible. Perhaps it was the original translators that cherry picked the definitions. Which they would have motive to do. Early Church fathers were trying to suppress this gnostic history of Christianity. they made other changes to the bible to shore up their testimony.

[@3Cheese42]

@@ekalb666 Excellent point

[@twentythree7sevensix]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Again with the every scholar argument. Even if literally every single scholar on the planet agreed it wouldn't necessarily make them right, what is so hard for you to grasp about this concept? Please for your sake, if you want to be taken seriously, stop using absolutes like this.

[@twentythree7sevensix]

1:13:28 You seem to reach conclusions based on very little information, you read one correspondence and do not state any date, then you reference the deposition also not referencing a date or the link to the previous correspondence or even if there is one? Perhaps you are just using them as proof that he uses marijuana as an entheogen I'm not actually sure but the jump to me is that it "seems regular" based on two examples or is it the fact he admits to using it for religious purposes that makes you conclude it's regular use even though he doesn't specify how often? Then you follow up with a video on psychedelics and certainty bias? Not sure of the link here either, I think it is you that has confirmation bias and certainty bias especially because you claim here that in the video the speaker mentions that on psychedelics, psychotropics or an entheogens 1:16:25 that you are releasing L-DOPA! That just isn't true! What he actually said was "give a rational sceptical atheist under laboratory conditions L-DOPA and they will perceive patterns more frequently". You blatantly misquote your own source here, unless it is in part of the video you didn't even show?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@twentythree7sevensix thanks for sharing, what is the relevance to the date? Why would mentioning the date be relevant? As far as the whole muse and marijuana conversation, it was an attempt for Ali to explain how there’s a good chance that he does his scholarship when he’s under the influence of marijuana which has a good chance of affecting his scholarship. We would both admit that’s not certain but it really shouldn’t be a surprise. If you reject that, it doesn’t take away from the overall point. Regarding the actual quote about Al dopa, I’m not understanding what you mean. Are you saying you don’t think that being under the influence of marijuana doesn’t affect one’s chance of perceiving patterns?

[@gavinmickwee8853]

Wasn't he accused of levitation and Demon possession, so how credible are these accusations?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

Not very credible, there were parents of students who were worried about this but who knows how they concluded that. The leaders who the parents were speaking to quickly said that the claims are untrue.

[@boboosRoo]

Excellent video particularly at 42:48. Ancient text and languages are not as Ammon has applied them. His approach shows he has no idea about Ancient political issues, or society norms of the period he speaks of. He clearly is looking through a lense of his degree, which seemed lead to a strange obsessions with drugs, sexual rituals and small children. He clearly twisted texts beyond recognition. Great job explaining the nuances and changes to be considered in his strangely bizzare interpretations of Greek. Along with his personal added commentary that is nowhere to be found in the text.

[@marcionbruno8197]

You're absolutely right about him having no understanding of ancient political realities. He's off in a Bronze Age utopia, which is really a fantasy projected by classical writers. When actual historians of the ancient world (like Mary Beard) point out the reality of the hyper-patriarchal societies as they were in fact organised, Ammon accuses them of "interpretation", whereas he "just reads the texts" - as though that makes him anything other than a charlatan!

[@3Cheese42]

I don't know that I agree with that. I mean, it is clear that you don't know the present situation of Israel. It contains one the highest amount of pdf's per capita. Epstein, was a pdf. Weinstein a predator. The list goes on and on and on, so saying things were crazily different back then is foolish.

[@DanaFullyLove-nt3md]

Are you able to read the text? I'm curious to know how you would know that the interpretation was incorrect. He clearly gives the translation not from his mind but what's already out. It seems he may be obsessed but he wasn't wrong when he said Jesus got arrested at 4am at the park with a little boy? Please cite sources and translation sources as well as your experience with reading greek.

[@AA-iy4gm]

At 11:30 its mentioned that he s*xually harrased students so his whole approach to accusations of Jesus seem to be projections and his own internal struggle and desire to dabble in dark arts and perversion...

[@matthewshoemaker3555]

Yall dropped the ball on this one! Using an elderly woman to bash this man is pathetic. You went at this all wrong. Even the old woman said Ammon was right most of the time through her talk. This guy and the old woman sound jealous and petty.

[@superfreakygamer1239]

So he's initiating a cult through the internet on KZbin. Give me a god dam break. U should be a shame of the way u guys are going after Ammon

[@occultexaminer]

Cults run ramped on the net. Do some research.

[@jussayinnit]

YT is just the bait. The real work happens on other platforms. Also, you're living in the stone age if you don't know how effective the internet is as a tool of indoctrination and radicalization.

[@junkman7901]

He literally makes his satanic congregation of blind faith edgelord syncophants swear an oath to satan to bring upon the apocalypse In his early videos lol😂. They constantly exclaim hail Satan and oh gaawed the sources while ignoring that it’s all based on his opinions and personal interpretations.

[@occultexaminer]

@@junkman7901 you are correct! I am an oath breaker and therefore the worst type of subhuman now.

[@nancyhuertas5562]

Initiated?

[@ChristopherDwiggins]

I'll be getting with him to study and see his work. Part of that will need to be is seeing how he is translating ancient greek.

[@Flyspray420]

Do you realise no s*x ritual involving Jesus and a Child is in the original Greek text?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@ChristopherDwiggins awesome, I’d love to hear how that goes. If you can bring up any of Ali’s arguments and have him address them, that’d be great for all of us.

[@n.forwardslash.a]

Please do such!

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

How much is he charging nobody has mentioned this?

[@Flyspray420]

@GrandpaOnATunedScooter because it's irrelevant. The relevant facts are that his theory is not in the text.

[@crpatterson282]

Curious as to how her "studies" alligned with his exactly..... ?? Her introduction quickly went from vague to discrediting his character with no mention of the topic /'s of study.....

[@0gcrypto]

its amazing how you up play ammons SA with no real evidence than hear say. but down play the naked boy with jesus saying its an innocent act. you should know a young man/boy in ancient times is considered under the age of puberty. its common sense, a young man must be young when the life expectancy is so low at the time. this is a gas light... 😂😂

[@3Cheese42]

100% this, what is appears is there was a misinterpretation used as evidence, from what they showed. The other "poet" person, appears to be the lady who is talking, by the way that person types.

[@occultexaminer]

Naked boy didn't come with court documents.

[@marcionbruno8197]

Well it depends, doesn't it? Under Jewish law a male comes of age at 13. In Athens, male citizens were enrolled at 18 and for the next three years were considered "epheboi". In Rome, it was around 14 that a young man put on his adult toga but you weren't eligible for election to public office until you were 25. Unfortunately, "neaniskos" doesn't map on to any particular legal category. The best guess is that the youth in the gospel was somewhere between 15 and 20; he might have been younger, though no younger than 13 (he would have had his bar mitzvah), he's unlikely to have been older.

[@junkman7901]

Ammon is accused of stalking and sexual harassment from his young students, he makes hundreds of hours of pedo themed content with his daughter chewie while whipping the ground/himself and screaming ohh gaawed, he talks about bringing back a revival of the pedo laden Greek rites.

[@ValeriePoynter]

Dr. Hillman has stated several times his disposition on why he was fired and even read us some of the conversation/communication when he was on trial. If this is to cut his personality or sources from the texts, is poor. You just provide this channels viewers your points of view. That is it. There is no proving anything except what you feel is true.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

That’s fine. He’s also lied (or conveniently left out key details) in other situations. If he was truthful in other situations, that doesn’t negate that he has been untruthful in the times of the video. In the videos you refer to, did he go into detail about how he was fired because he was extremely inappropriate with multiple women and one man as well as admitted to stalking? You can find the specific details here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIvIYoV_adV6hqcsi=PdlaiySeDUV62y60

[@Vina_Ravyn]

You know I'm not an expert either. But I do have the ability to find the truth behind things out that sound hinky. Like this notion that a classical greek word in koine changed in definition. That's what the hawkers have to sell. The words changed definitions between classical and koine greek. Please. By all means - everyone go look that up. You can find it straight away on the google. The short answer is NO! Very very few words really changed their definitions between classical greek and koine. 🤣

[@Flyspray420]

Have you been through the sources you can see words changing all the time. From different references and time periods. I even emailed Perseus tufts to ask them this and they said the same thing. The age of the neoniskos is a good example. You make an assertion and act like you are really correct but you are just arrogant and incorrect.

[@Vina_Ravyn]

@@Flyspray420 But the reality is the medical "technical" terminology (which is what we're mostly dealing with) did not undergo significant changes in definition so it takes special pleading to say words like christing baptism etc underwent significant definition changes when all evidence shows they didn't.

[@Flyspray420]

@Vina_Ravyn sindon and neoniskos did. No special pleading. Ammons theory isn't even in the text, his theory is what takes pleading.

[@twentythree7sevensix]

1:06:25 If he does this consistently where are the examples of him.doing this?

[@HighDesert216]

The only thing I can critique ammon hillman for is possibly over sensationalizing the sex and drugs to create a popular interest in the greek ideas around the Ionic life. A very timely topic, important and central to everything. Is his genius of that order? Is he like a genius play director getting exactly the reaction he wants. Attention on a subject matter he is rightfully interested in. The mystery of mysteries. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIa4pWSbe9mpoqMsi=FlphvolAa-yf8TM3

[@Flyspray420]

It does not alarm you that he openly lies about why he was fired? And stalked female students? Also inserts what appears to be his own fantasies involving children into the text?

[@3Cheese42]

@@Flyspray420 There are no police records - you are lying.

[@Flyspray420]

@3Cheese42 the statement where he admits to stalking? I'm not lying about that. The reason he said he was fired was demons not that.

[@alirowan1999]

@@3Cheese42 no-one pressed charges. But these documents and his own emails to Judy Myers reveal the extent of his sexual harassment. This is the reason for his dismissal not the play. And you have seen his article in the IHE magazine where he denies these legally PROVEN sexual harassment claims. He lied - and this blatant misrepresentation of the truth shows up as a a false persona and in all his so-called translations.

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

​@@alirowan1999What happened to his wife? The article said Myers supported him and his daughters for 3 years. Ammon is going to think this nosey but if you put yourself up there expect to be nit picked. Same for all tubers.

[@vonettawilliams3754]

This man literally said that two people went mad sharing a room with him and that in their madness they said the same thing, not knowing what the other said. If that isn't the writing on the wall, i don't know what is. Confirmation bias, no bueno.

[@omahaflynn5937]

Amon oozes smug ,self righteous, manipulation ....His delivery makes many suspicious about his agenda without knowing who he really is and why he is ..I know he will read this.. Amon...yer a one trick pony 😮🐎😮

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

listen to YOU talking ! 🤡👞!

[@winstonasmith9398]

Great analogy (UK soccer v American football)

[@st.wolfgang4460]

I would suggest everyone reads more of more "things".. His (A.H.) work doesn't exist in a vacuum. IF YOU THINK HE'S THE ONLY ONE TO PICK UP ON THIS TRAIL REVERT BACK TO THE FIRST SENTENCE.

[@Flyspray420]

I think you should note that no s*x ritual involving a child is in the original Greek text. He inserted it from what seems to be his imagination. And it's actually kind of embarrassing to legitimise him because he is so absent of fact.

[@st.wolfgang4460]

@ I listen to the books I own. And my comment was suggesting people read more, because his work doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

[@Flyspray420]

@st.wolfgang4460 yea his work exists in his imagination. His theory isn't in the original greek text. Is that why you need to read other books because it's non existent?

[@3Cheese42]

@@Flyspray420 Are you at least willing to agree that the bible is not a perfect book, seeing as it was written by man, and the bible which you have read was a product of editing on behalf of the church and the Roman state, at the Council of Nicea, starting in 325 AD?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@3Cheese42please list one historian working at an actual college that says that the Bible was a product of editing on behalf of the state at the council of Nicea. We have tons of texts written at the time of the council of Nicea and lots of scholars who want to disprove the Bible. If what you are saying is true, it should be easy to find someone who takes your view.

[@chainedmindsasylum]

I was just watching a video that mentioned demon possession and then this video about Ammon Hillman comes up. What are the odds? 😉😁

[@3Cheese42]

Demon possession isn't real

[@3Cheese42]

Also, Santa Clause isn't real as well

[@hotoptics]

the yt algorithm goes off of speech translated texts. possession is mentioned in both that you state

[@nick31111111]

First you claim that many classical greek words lost their meaning when koine spread. So you admit that those cult terms exist in the text you just contend that their meaning had changed by the time of the writing but Ammon already addressed that with the writings Alexander which are contemporary w new testament writings and use the same cult terms in the cult context so obviously those meanings had not changed. And Dan even admitted the contemporary time of the writings on the danny jones podcast. And later you claim that he's using the lsj to define a word and importing it back into the text which is circular??? If those terms were used in conjugation w other cult terms in the same context then its extremely likely they retained their meaning and you have not proven they have any other meaning .

[@theonetruetim]

No. he Hillman did no such thing. & u do not make sense. [maybe edit this nonsense a lil. Its incoherent and certainly inaccuaret] Feelings getting in the way of Reason, eh? yeah. Hail reason? lmao Not if u are Hillman's sycophant [u are]

[@nick31111111]

@theonetruetim w is shorthand for the word 'with'. maybe that will help you read plain English. Look, you brought zero references or facts but you brought alot of unnecessary insults. You're obviously mentally unstable so I don't want to upset you. Just look up the story of Alexander by Lucian if you care to seek truth.

[@RonaldRupchis]

Hillman is Dennis hopper

[@3Cheese42]

So far, I am believing Ammon's claim even more. It sounds like he was using metaphor, and some ret ard Christians got scared, like they do for anything that is unfamiliar. The deposition actually proves him to be telling the truth, so thank you for sharing that.

[@occultexaminer]

You believe his tall tales as to what happened with the college?

[@3Cheese42]

@@occultexaminer Maybe ask your question again, but appropriately.

[@occultexaminer]

@@3Cheese42 when you stated "it sounds like he was using metaphor" does that imply that you do not have a clear understanding as to Hillmans meanings?

[@3Cheese42]

@@occultexaminer No, obviously that is not what it means. Clearly Christians have a difficult time with it, seeing as the bible is not and has never been literal.

[@jussayinnit]

​@@3Cheese42 Calls a billion people retards... Gets offended at nothing. Lol!!!

[@MeMyselfandAlice-p3q]

He is changing the definitions in the fairytale. Wow, pinocchio wasn't a wooden doll, but made of straws actually. My mind is blown.

[@karkir-joharkarntkristkark9507]

I believe he has a point regarding ancient Hebrew being inadequate as a language though. The 70 sealed, and autenticated metal books, are written in three languages: ancient Hebrew, Arameic and Greek.

[@NN-rs1ny]

Didn't you post a video like this couple of days ago with another lady whats going on brother?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@NN-rs1ny kind of, the other days talked about cult dynamics and the atmosphere of his group. This video talks about a number of times where it appears he isn’t telling the truth.

[@NN-rs1ny]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou You really make me believe all of this is pure gossip , and I don't fully believe what Ammon has claimed .

[@occultexaminer]

@@NN-rs1ny Gossip is a word that men use to shut women down. Tale as old as time, but let's not go there.

[@steviedestefanie7601]

Deeply grateful!! Excellent exposure of Hillman. I found him remarkable gifted but as well a very disturbed individual!!THANK YOU 💫♥️

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@steviedestefanie7601 thanks for letting me know

[@ROOTED2MOTHER]

Wouldn't you be if you realized the whole world has been taught lies 😂

[@leosullivan9228]

you might want to read up on the ad hominem fallacy

[@pale_mask]

"Using any text and calling it reality" is the whole problem with the entire Bible.

[@Flyspray420]

That's not the point here. The point is Ammon is using that text to manipulate people and also appears to be writing in his own fantasies involving children.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

I agree with flyspray but I disagree with the original comment. You are aware that literally every Atheistic Biblical scholar in the world thinks the Bible records lots of historical facts, right?

[@pale_mask]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou there are zero sources for the validity of the new testament in the first century other than those written by actors who had a predilection to already accept it further. Considering the "scholars" you are referring to are almost exclusively apologetic monists, their conclusions are at best, empty. Paul was a fraud. Christians are incapable of scientific integrity. In fact, Christianity is by design, void of individual integrity.

[@pale_mask]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou I dare you to present emperical evidence of ONE core narrative biblical entry rooted in fact. Your argument is "lots of witnesses claim there has been a murder" in the total absence of a murder weapon or a body. You need to believe that because facing the reality that you are utterly wrong horrifies you.

[@3Cheese42]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM holy shit, absolute gottem moment.

[@shemsu_anu]

"It's all on my website...." she's chasing clout.... The one time where she could substantiate her claims and she points us to her goofy website.... Why didn't she bring up the original text.... I feel like I wasted my time watching this....

[@Philibuster92]

Ali is a breath of fresh air with a sharp sense of discernment and a calm incisive direct simplicity.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@Philibuster92 I do appreciate her demeanor.

[@RobertMStahl]

Why is it, in virtually all bibles past and present, that "The lion lays down with the lamb" is, now, "The wolf lays down with the lamb?" Furthermore, why is it that the 666 occurrence of Jesus in the Bible, from Lambda115, is barjesus? Frankly, I believe, too, that in Moby Dick, there was a chapter that introduced a whale that had died of cancer, evidently leukemia via the yellow eyes, where more whales do die of cancer than humans and Melville left nothing out about whales, in general, where this whale found was waterlogged and could not be lifted on board due to its weight. Why is this passage missing?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

I’m not aware of any Biblical translations at all that say “The lion lays down with the lamb”. It’s my understanding that it’s a misconception due to songs, hymns, and art that group them together. Where are you getting this idea from that this was a quote from an actual Biblical text? I’m not sure what you are referring to regarding the 666 reference. I have no idea what lambda115 is and I don’t know anything about Moby Dick so I sadly can’t help you there.

[@RobertMStahl]

​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Fair enough. I am not an expert, so, good to hear, particularly if you are or have connections. I took this at face value from listening to Montagraph. I believe, however, back in the late 70s or early 80s when I was out of state visiting my sister for Thanksgiving, and, was reading Moby Dick, that I was reading this passage I appended to the message, about the waterlogged 'yellow' whale, and, my brother-in-law was diagnosed that same day with promyelocytic leukemia which he died from after years of battle. Also, the Lambda115 discovery is astounding.

[@occultexaminer]

I am really loving the cult turn out. The virtue signaling is sure to win you a door prize.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

Oh, I would also like a door prize!

[@occultexaminer]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou You do get one! For your willingness to share this info despite the cult attacks.

[@3Cheese42]

@@occultexaminer If you believe the story of Jesus Christ, than you are a member of a cult

[@marcionbruno8197]

Hi Jevim. Regarding a comment you made in the previous vid (which I've just caught up on) what did you mean about replacing the purple with white in the AI pictures? I mean, I get what the white is/would be. But am I to take it that all the talk of purple is code for something else, and that Ammon isn't claiming that drugs extracted from the murex is the heart of the mystery, that it's all a massive purple herring?

[@occultexaminer]

@@marcionbruno8197 I am lead to encourage you to ask Hillman what exactly the "cup" is that he keeps saying is needed in order to FULFILL the mystery rites. This runs deeper than most realize. Even Crowley knew of the purple, he spoke of it in his Hymn to Pan.

[@awaren8375]

You're British and will tell anyone anything you think they'll believe to suit your own purposes sorry

[@Flyspray420]

What does your statement even mean?

[@occultexaminer]

fake news

[@Flyspray420]

@GrandpaOnATunedScooter you are missing the point. That it's all an insertion he speaks using cult language because he has nothing to say. No ritual with Jesus and a kid is in the text. Maybe you should start by actually checking the greek. Ammon wants to sound deep yet he isn't saying anything of substance.

[@GrandpaOnATunedScooter]

​@@Flyspray420The worst thing is KZbin keep sending me warnings for repeating this stuff. It's obviously no joke. I miss the internet. Oh and mention one keyword and the whole post disappears. Maybe I should F off. I try to be humouress, it doesn't seem so fun anymore it's turning into a Steve king novel.

[@Flyspray420]

@GrandpaOnATunedScooter yea it's frustrating you can't finish a conversation and have to post a few times.

[@TXMagiDude]

🪰

[@Mike-oj1tm]

I would love to the 3 of you on a live, ( Ammon, & the 2 of you). The msin question for me is > is the TEXT that Ammon is qouting as being the true classical Greek Text - IS IT REAL & IS HIS DEFINITIONS CORRECT?

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

@@Mike-oj1tm I guess it depends on what you mean by”text” and “definition”. I don’t think Ammon would ever talk to us even though Ali already requested to talk. From past experience, he only insults and makes jokes about people he disagrees with.

[@DontStopNow]

i would like to point out that the word "gay" until more modern times this word was a descriptive word for happy. i see it making its way how it has bridging a gleeful flamboyant happiness to now descriptive for sexuality. so i would have to say in any text before the 1940s - 1950s its meaning had nothing to do with sexuality. my understanding in antiquity it was more words describing types of "love" for what was going on and not heterosexual or homosexual or any other types of sexual descriptive words we use now. if i am wrong with this i do apologize however things I've looked at have led me to believe this. Above all else let's keep in mind it's very important to do your own research in this time and age!

[@alirowan1999]

Yes that change in meaning (semantic shift) is precisely the point of creating a poem by 17th century John Donne. Maybe I should have expanded that at his time, neither of the words gay and affair had our modern connotations. In his poem, "gay affair" would have meant a "happy, carefree event." But Hillman would import an achronistic semantic of homosexuality and further layer into the poem more insinuations of sexual libertinism, as is his wont for every Bibical text he retranslates!!

[@JohnJones-w7i]

So no one gets to have ANY voluntary associations unless someone ELSE is the boss?

[@geeceesteiner62]

I just don't understand how this woman, being Christian and NOT a Greek scholar can be given any credence to talk authoritatively for more than two hours just based on her personal encounters with Ammon's group. Her views are just opinions! "Any sensible person would realize the Hebrew came before the Greek, not the other way round." Pish-tosh! Why exactly are her views more significant than Ammon's when it comes to interpreting or translating the Greek? She admits she cannot fluently or confidently read Greek!

[@occultexaminer]

It is really amazing to me how folks can think they can just push back on others claims, don't you? As if it was part of free will or something like that maybe? Maybe it is free speech? Or maybe it is for the love and concern of another? Folks telling us we have zero right to speak up are displaying cult mentalities. This is part of the cancel culture movement that you all are doing.

[@alirowan1999]

I am not a Christian and haven't been for 8 years. But prior to that I was for 38 years - hence my knowledge of Biblical texts. They are merely pieces of ancient literature to me, now, with no divine inspiration about them and with only a smidgin of historicity recorded about this ordinary Jew who was crucified as a rebel against Rome. Period.

[@geeceesteiner62]

​@@alirowan1999 Thank you for dispelling my claim you are a Christian. 38 years of Christian brainwashing undone in 8 years and you expect me to believe you have no Christian bias? "Knowledge" of Biblical texts is a gigantic but dubious claim. You only know the English translations and a smattering of Greek.