What Is BLACK OCEAN And Why Kpop Idols Fear It?

[@BeBossTV]

Are FOREIGN Idols MISTREATED Or Not ? Let's watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWmxhKStr56ljpI

[@Maria-nl1xi]

absolutely

[@arisasprah2100]

here in my country not. i didnt see that kind of mistreated in every concert. even the performer are made a mistake.

[@neha_3388]

Yes!

[@robot2724]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6nGmaaQn7iYppY

[@adamarie1824]

You see I call that being childish and stupid cause they are working hard so that we can be happy and the fact that someone of them don’t get enough sleep or they skip meals for us to repay them like that, you are making them feel like shit and that all their hard work was for nothing, is that really necessary like grow the fuck up!!!

[@qtacontessenu]

fandom wars is the stupidest thing ive ever heard.

[@Judara]

Yes...

[@eubiecordero2564]

ikr.

[@samrat386]

YES OMG

[@i.n7089]

Exactly

[@poyoyo3430]

Exactly. Straight up crab mentality. 🙄

[@fairy_sa]

the idea of black ocean is the most stupid thing i've ever seen

[@Pinkulolnoob]

fr

[@jarminsangha9188]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@evilpotatoe6168]

Yas

[@MidnightRose990]

I agree with that

[@karimaallame6103]

During vlive awards 2019 GOT7 was last to le preform and fans from other groups was leaving the venue before and when they were performing

[@Fuyukoirl]

Imagine spending around 100 dollars just to hate someone 💀

[@jenrubyjane-r3x]

Annoying privileged people

[@Fuyukoirl]

@@kimwonoo1217 uh- damn-

[@vanessalacatus6680]

@@kimwonoo1217 why?like why?

[@eliselawless5410]

@@kimwonoo1217 shut up , do you know how hard they work , there Amazing

[@kyssssssss]

@@kimwonoo1217 ur so weird

[@milisinha4603]

I remember when twice had black ocean armies lighted up their lightstick

[@geraldinesoul96]

It's because BTS experienced the black ocean first and ARMY doesn't want TWICE to feel the same thing as well 🥺

[@kalebijul]

@@geraldinesoul96 Army can you tell me who made that black ocean for our oppa's

[@geraldinesoul96]

@@kalebijul Correct me if I'm wrong but as what I have read online, it was brought about by the tension between ARMY and EXO-L during that time

[@zoya375]

that iconic moment will never be forgotten

[@raya7390]

Exo-L too

[@natashafoster9969]

So, "fake fans" purchase tickets just to be incredibly disrespectful, while simultaneously wasting their own money AND taking tickets away from real fans? What the h*ll is wrong with people?

[@trieuminh8976]

I think they often do this as big concerts that include many groups like MAMA, they will cheer for other groups and do this to the group they hate

[@natashafoster9969]

@@trieuminh8976 I still feel like it's a very childish thing to do. The people who turn off their lightsticks aren't thinking about how they're going to make the people on stage feel.

[@SailoOlias]

Because of korean fans evn many kpop stars are commiting suicide..facts!

[@toxickawaii7960]

because, people.

[@deus2570]

"Some people just like to see the world burn"

[@123shortkarma___9]

Y'all, I can't even afford A ticket. If y'all are just gonna participate in the black ocean, then give ur ticket to me who'll appreciate every performance.

[@lilracha_]

FACTS

[@SavedDestiny]

mhmmm!!!!

[@iwuvchu264]

Facts that's facts!!

[@dr.bandanamishra7006]

Ikr😭

[@miniaturesquirrel5157]

Exactly

[@bestietay5087]

they tried giving EXO a black ocean? LMAOO THEY TRIED 😩🤞

[@변레이첼]

Atleast they tried🤣

[@angelagarcia8719]

Omg lmaoo

[@yumiyuki3561]

HAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA THEY TRIEDDDDD 😜😜

[@dodadyo]

Why is this so funny? Hahahaha

[@eo-klm9449]

Hahaha they tried lol

[@Celeste-re4yd]

Fandom wars need to stop. They are too childish smh

[@mayax1317]

Ture it's stupid

[@mochiblast5577]

Yeh, like why go if you already know that their be other groups performing as well.

[@seagullbad5621]

I agree. If the groups get along extremely well, why can't the fandoms? Like, EXO-L and Army don't really get along, but EXO and BTS do.

[@No7thinghere]

Kpopers are childish

[@kyghosty9545]

Yeah, the fandoms need to be chill For example, minecraft and Terrarria, Doom and Animal Crossing I espescially like the Doom and Animal Crossing fandoms :D

[@krittendollarbills1142]

The idea of black ocean is stupid.

[@sabrinab4193]

And cruel

[@chongus1320]

And bad

[@vaishnavinaik3457]

And disrespectful

[@chongus1320]

And awful

[@Sidsahoy]

I love all of you.

[@AnitaSleapVA]

This totally sucks because the companies still make money while the artists are psychologically tormented.

[@user-bm5ey4po5g]

Exactly

[@msbandito]

Trutt

[@Gekumatz]

Ive never been a fan of k entertainment stuff, this is personally confusing.

[@msbandito]

@@Gekumatz please check out what sb19

[@akyraachu6792]

Yeah.

[@definitehappiness9514]

NEVER EVER RUIN SOMEONE'S HARDWORK BY DISRESPECTING THEM. it is like going to someone party to congratulate but them insult them. These idols work way hard just to be judged by people who are not even close to that hardwork in their life.

[@Joy-de8vc]

FACT..they are just being immature , childish and illogical..wasting money just to hate on someone .,spoiled brats 😒

[@svarshitha9413]

Imagine wasting money just to hate someone.... Imagine the level their brain has reached ... These people wonder me how can someone be that full of hate

[@bunbohue9235]

They’re stupid like are you kidding me if u don’t like what ur group did stop stanning

[@svarshitha9413]

@@bunbohue9235 exactly, I couldn't imagine a person could go that far.. I thought the worst thing that could happen is to get death threats from haters but isn't it the first thing that happens to them, like why would you want to kill a person just because he or she is working for their career of who they want to be🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@chocolatte6312]

Bold of you to even assume they had a brain to begin with :D

[@SailoOlias]

No wonder kimchi is sour

[@ziadawn_]

"imagine the level their brain has reached" my nerves are laughing 😂

[@mitsurikanroji9383]

It hurts how disgusting and disrespectful fandoms to do, because they don't understand the stress idols went through, they worked so hard, to keep their smiles

[@lilith-4687]

True

[@Diorbarbie_.x]

I totally agree

[@godblessyou5666]

Yang Jeong-in yes 😞

[@Diorbarbie_.x]

Idols deserve all the respect they can get and if someone has a problem with one idol they need to get the fuck Over it or keep it to themselves no fans should ever think “punishing” their idols is ever okay cause it’s not that’s something that sasaengs do and if your a saesaeng I suggest leaving the fandom before you end up dead or getting your ass kicked this is my message for “fans” who think it’s okay to mess with our fandom and idols and real fans

[@vitagentry2920]

I agree

[@missonlythelonely9345]

Imagine being so toxic that you buy a ticket just to do that.

[@TinasArtPage]

But I don’t wanna imagine being sludge!

[@jenrubyjane-r3x]

Damn could never be me 😭✋🏽

[@rachel9762]

They are just wasting there money. I literally can't even afford going to the concert and these people just go there to treat idols bad.

[@MissDLinx]

I’m from the US so I really don’t understand the kind of obsessive & possessive fandom that exists in South Korea. Here you might find individual fans who are equally obsessive & possessive but on mass, I haven’t seen the behavior exist the way it does in SK. What I really don’t understand is why fans in SK think it’s ok to “punish” their idols for things like dating or being featured with other groups of the opposite gender, supporting a brand they don’t like or generally behaving like humans instead of perfect godlike creatures. If the same behavior was exhibited in an individual relationship it would be considered emotional, and psychological abuse and be condemned by the public. So why is it ok to treat idols & entertainers that way? Being a public figure doesn’t mean you’re a possession for the public to own & use and abuse as they see fit, it means that you have a skill, talent or product you want to share with the public, it’s a job and/or a passion, that’s all.

[@yunasan07]

This comment 👆🏻🧠👏🏻

[@Diana-whathappenedin97]

Fish rottens from the head. The whole idea of an “idol” as a person who is perfect created by the industry is wrong from the beginning. I’m not from US or SK and artists in my country are just an artists. Just like Taylor can date anyone and even write songs about them. KPOP heads created the images of the perfect gfs/bfs and there are generations of fans that grew up only knowing that artists are some flawless human beings.

[@dianamasters687]

Part of it is the industries fault. They promote this kind of toxic stan behavior. The whole no dating rule comes from a place of wanting their idols to appear more “available” to their fans. Which causes a lot of the toxic fans to begin to view the idols more like property rather than entertainers. Once they have that weird possession mentality if their favorite idol is rumored to have a significant other they almost feel betrayed or cheated on. I very much dislike that these companies push that kind of narrative between artist and fan but they think being single and giving the fans the idea that they fill some type of relationship role in the idols life make the idol more marketable.

[@nouvarae]

👏 too true!

[@user-nb5jo2xi1g]

THIS 👏

[@woozispace3043]

Seventeen got so successful and I’m so glad that they don’t face a black ocean anymore

[@geekyartemis5523]

May I know what was the issue back then? I haven't been a carat (or into kpop) on 2015

[@lili439]

woozi space yea what happened

[@daylogs1390]

It is said there that maybe since SVT are rookies during that time some fans do not recognize them. Also, Carats do not have lighsticks yet during that time. It is not totally a black ocean since there are people who still have their lightsticks on.

[@mimiaba007]

Seventeen deserve all their success... they are so talented and hardworking, they saved their company from bankruptcy... I really think they deserve way more success than this

[@woozispace3043]

yes ! Seventeen will gain more success ofc, they deserve the whole world, they’ve gone through so much.

[@kimchigoto6621]

fans : hates them by turning off lightsticks Also fans: purchase tickets and lightsticks to come see them 🤭

[@katana8409]

fr like why even try attempting the black ocean if you're just gonna waste money??

[@cragonoskritirea2982]

@@MustyBoi_0249 I think it depends, some people will do it if that group is on a tour by itself

[@jimmyju76]

There were other performers

[@exstellaxoxo6895]

@@katana8409 It’s not a waste if you use it to support the idols

[@user-kw9pg8nx4g]

Yeh they waste money just to make feel sad the idols

[@barneystinonsmentalissues282]

"punish them with a black ocean" These idols are NOT your puppets. They are living, breathing humans who have the right to do what they want. I honestly find it ridiculously dumb how fans are so quick to attack their idols or other idols if they dont do what they want. Smh

[@xxo8888]

I agree. Didn't realize how toxic fans can be

[@helenadear272]

@@xxo8888 that is gonna be the destruction of kpop I can,t enjoy it anymore due to all the toxicity music should be joyfull and brings us happiness

[@uv_is_vi]

Yes!

[@anastasiaye4064]

It's a way more tame version of the cancel culture. Members of SNSD back then got involved in a lot of scandals, they made a lot of faux passes, and their fans were so toxic they assaulted other fandoms. This video is putting down what happened so much. The members consistently behaved rudely to their seniors.

[@CatyaZamalodchikova1976]

...and considering that they’re not like regular musicians; they’re put through a punishing schedule and lifestyle with a very limited lifespan, you’d think that people would be more respectful. The entitlement of these fans is staggering - “You OWE us so we’ll hold the survival of your career over your head!” You know the only time rock and met bands are boycotted is when it’s people like Dahvie Vanity. We’d never dream of doing something like this to someone who’s turned out on stage to give us a good show. That’s all you can expect for your ticket money.

[@rynn9135]

The black ocean is one of the most malicious things haters could do. It can seriously hurt some groups mentally and emotionally and i have never turned mine off unless it was actually out of battery, but thanks for making the videos so people can know how bad the black ocean is. At this point trying to give EXO a black ocean is just a dream, they have done nothing wrong and there are so many fans who route for them

[@BEcauseILoveYooh]

SNSD black ocean the worst but they rose up and became queens of the industry

[@Ari-cc6cr]

BTS too. Look at them now.

[@hitzthompson1484]

True well said by the this KZbinr that with previledge u can't b historic​ group... SNSD is known for becoming icons without previledge, bigbang without the previledge of seniors, BTS without previledge of big3 all three of them become iconic n will b written in history....& EXo tanked hard to the ground n never will be historic coz they got previledge n never got to experience wat the others three did ... even in the age of kpop ruling the world... non kpop or casual kpop fans only regards those three as legends...if u say modern kpop only three names comes up as legends...snsd bigbang n BTS ...upto now

[@technical3056]

@@hitzthompson1484 I'm sorry but bringing down someone just to compliment other groups ain't it. Yes exo was from sm ent but they werent even huge when they debuted. so I must say nah they didnt have a privilege growl was literally their ice breaker, that song became Gp's favorite it was so loved that even idols to this day perform that song. If u think exo tanked sorry to break it to you but they didnt😶

[@lekhika489]

@@hitzthompson1484 exo tanked tf ? why some of you tend to undermine and downgrade some group's achievements to uphold others? if exo tanked then what about other 100+ groups. You mean suju, shinee, seventeen , nct , RV, BP, Twice are tanking too and much more groups too ? -_-

[@candelaplescach78]

@@hitzthompson1484 When you grow up you’ll see how immature you are right now, hating on amazing groups just because they’re successful. I advise you to start to spread love, and stop spreading hate! :) ✨💕

[@dad8403]

So technically the so called fans wasted their money.

[@kanduyog1182]

And time, Lol. Although I doubt they have time to waste since I doubt they have lives, Lol.

[@_itz_anyusha_shrestha_9937]

Yes they just wasted the Money

[@jinhub2175]

They could've given that to me instead

[@_itz_anyusha_shrestha_9937]

@@jinhub2175 O.0

[@dad8403]

@Leah- Stay is here same

[@flame4747]

HONESTLY, THOSE PEOPLE IN SNSD ERA ARE THE RUDEST AND DISRESPECTFUL FANS EVER!

[@btsforever6618]

Kind of

[@pulau989]

I agree! They were straight rude to even their own idols

[@trevor.k9430]

nah i feel that the current ones r worse but..... itz jus my opinion

[@axkanaufal6952]

@@trevor.k9430 the current one is pretty Serious problem because fans nowadays is just a bunch of kids, but the 2nd and 3rd generation fans like elf, exo-l, SNSD... Some of them are rude fans but it's not the internasional fans...

[@btsforever6618]

@@axkanaufal6952 yes.... International fans are very supportive of their idols.

[@diahintan1195]

I’m so proud as an EXO-l and VIP.. I stand the right fandom 🔥

[@diw9938]

So true..kings

[@TheShadowsFearX]

LOL the fandom that started the black ocean? You should be ashmed of yourself and your fandom. Karma got exo bad in the end..

[@ilikefun4982]

@@TheShadowsFearX what happened? They are in military.

[@sitisafura3627]

@@TheShadowsFearX HAAHHAH...They are in hiatus know..and they have felt the above..All groups have time..The same goes for BTS.EXO now in the hiatus phase.Although on hiatus they can compete with groups that are still active just like at SMA.their time of success is over..So now is the time of bts success..They despite being hit by dating scandals many times but still able to survive..Even if not as big as before..With one member they are married..no wonder they like that..bts there is also a time of success ... this time is like a wheel..there is a time when we sit on it and vice versa

[@IrisAeon]

Its so disrespectful. Even tho I don’t like some group’s music I still cheer for them because everyone is working so hard

[@muskanranjan4564]

Same I even Subscribe to them just so they can stay around !

[@hannahsanihin8738]

same here, fans who do this are so childish

[@Aatuliiniz]

same! They all work so hard, they don't deserve black oceans. I'd cheer for everyone even if I wouldn't like the music and if my lightstick (I don't have one😭) would run out of batteries I'd still do something to cheer for them...

[@IGleeker]

Same like seeing that would break my heart completely

[@hitzthompson1484]

True well said by the this KZbinr that with previledge u can't b historic​ group... SNSD is known for becoming icons without previledge, bigbang without the previledge of seniors, BTS without previledge of big3 all three of them become iconic n will b written in history....& EXo tanked hard to the ground n never will be historic coz they got previledge n never got to experience wat the others three did ... even in the age of kpop ruling the world... non kpop or casual kpop fans only regards those three as legends...if u say modern kpop only three names comes up as legends...snsd bigbang n BTS ...upto now

[@Blackcat-kh5cc]

My Auntie who lives in Korea tries to collect all light stick of almost every Fandom, just to cheer them up with their lightsticks at award shows. Gosh she is too wholesome 🥺 She is one of my Idols

[@NoName-rv1fc]

@Melanie Granados *Grandma*....

[@saintc7790]

Omg she so sweet.

[@booklet4003]

Omg shes so awesome!

[@Rie.ce_cooker]

aww, thats so sweet! I wish you both the best! And I hope you guys stay safe 😄

[@Rie.ce_cooker]

also! I think your aunt dropped this 👑

[@Neyha2312]

Korean fans can be so ruthless.. Like if you don't like it.. Just walk away. What's with putting idols down like that.

[@EternalEris]

Im no kpop fan. Im the mom of a kpop fan, hence watching this stuff to understand. I do have something to say: that korean fans aint more rude than any other fans. In my teens I went to plenty of concerts and festivals. If people didnt like a band, they would not aplaud, move or anything. Just stand silently or talking to a neighbor until the band they came to see would preform. And you still see that happening at plenty of festivals. You can hear which band has the most fans in the audience, you can hear which songs are liked more.. no one is standing there to pretend to like something they dont like. If they like it you will see and hear it. So, that is not much different than this ( except for the lightsticks).

[@Neyha2312]

@@EternalEris If They're not reacting because of stuff they dont like then that's okay, but deliberately switching off lightsticks as a group to put idols down is nasty. Not reacting and deliberately doing something ( to make other people feel bad) are two different things.

[@rejoyce.minnie]

please not all of us are like that. we're put on such a bad impression just because of the minority. we hate it too. we don't claim the people who do it.

[@Neyha2312]

@@rejoyce.minnie yes that's truly sad.. While there are so many bad things that some korean fans do, there are certainly some very great things that you people do as fans to keep your idols going.. I appreciate the better part of the society

[@zaddystar5473]

Exo l did to bts in past ...kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXKmd6WdqJiCmrs

[@kim_1088]

Others:Let's give EXO a black ocean. EXO-Ls: We won't let that to happened! The best fandom ever, I'm so proud to be an exols. SARANGHAJA!

[@laraloeyy9489]

Me toooo

[@kookiesbananamilk1779]

I am an army but I am so proud of you guys to protected your idols from heartbreak

[@Must_Vibe]

Yes😍

[@shividubey691]

Yess

[@kathyloujamorol4774]

Junmyeon said he missed our silver light😭💗

[@s.coupdetat9115]

That SEVENTEEN mama performance is still one of the most iconic rookie performance ever, doesn't matter if it's a black ocean or not

[@woozispace3043]

exactly, it was so good and seventeen still managed to be that talented.

[@itsyaboybcstan1team675]

I would never consider it a black ocean. Those boys did great

[@L--bp1oc]

True af! When I joined the fandom a couple of months ago I kept on re-watching that performance.

[@shriyakannaujia9471]

Agreed

[@zhhthatsall]

Im really enjoyed their stage in that time...jamming along

[@poojarana8382]

"SNSD received criticism for frequently appearing around male idols" What's wrong with that? They are idols not slave of their fans. I'm so done with immature k-pop fans.

[@shaktisikha1615]

Well atleast 70 % kpop fans are immature or underage

[@biancatorres5528]

@@shaktisikha1615 That's not an excuse. Being underage doesn't mean that you can be a toxic piece of shit. As a minor, I can confirm.

[@lindavel43]

These toxic fans scare me....like they're artist not your husband. I had a celebrity crush on Jonathan Taylor Thomas and never got jealous of him with other girls. Because he ain't my boyfriend. He doesn't even know me....I think these toxic jealous fans need to see a therapist. I am not joking. Because this is very unhealthy behavior and an unhealthy obsession. They think they own these Kpop idols. It really creeps me out.

[@International_pabo]

@@lindavel43 I agree with you. Kpop idols just shouldnt be treated like toys or objects by these so called 'fans'.

[@zurokith]

Those Kpop "fans" aren't even deserved to BE called fans. More like sasaengs.

[@bobatea4838]

If I go to any kpop concert and there's a black ocean you best know that my lightstick will be on

[@infinitesprings]

Same! I don't care who is playing or if I like the group or not, my lightstick will be on. I'm not doing that crap to anybody. That's cruel and malicious and I'm not going to put anyone through that. They all work so hard, the least people can do is show them basic human kindness and respect.

[@Day.Ja.]

Same, respect is needed at these award shows and I would also have my phone flash on because I don’t care if I don’t stan the group , I would respect the group either way !

[@verdane5380]

Also same! I can scream enough for all of us.

[@tallbeauty]

Right! You spend all the money for the stick. At least turn the damn thing on and bring some batteries. It ain't hard. People are extra petty.

[@lucymcmenamin2542]

Same here idols are people to they work harder than many and its not fair

[@hellofriend5737]

I'm too broke to go to a k-pop concert or get a lightstick but if I get to go and it suddenly turned pitch black I would light up my phone's flashlight

[@lorddio2646]

i would do the same

[@yeontanii]

Same or use a flashlight

[@athirah_y4412]

I would bring my biggest torch light just in case this black ocean happen. Cuz im not gonna waste my money and not be recognize by my idol.

[@ara7165]

SAME!

[@erica7226]

ME TOO

[@snsdoneandonlynationsgirlg150]

"Star can't shine without darkness " Look at SNSD now They're bunch of successful woman 💅

[@lienilo4247]

Yeah right😉most kpop who experienced black oceans are the iconic and legendary group😍

[@cainfreak]

I’m not a kpop fan but knowing how long it takes to just learn a one minute choreograph, I’d bring the brightest flashlight I have.

[@MonsieurEldritch]

Same

[@yuko-.0]

I'll go steal a light house's flashlight and shine it through the whole concert for them

[@xioani]

id bring 10feet tall lightsaber and swing it 😂

[@RedPhantom97]

Same, I don't really know anything about kpop and this whole phenomenon seems petty and childish

[@RedPhantom97]

@@MonsieurEldritch oh I meant the audience is petty and childish for doing this

[@nia8300]

"music is not a competition, everyone" -Chen 2017

[@someoneontheinternet6363]

Unfortunately, the music industry is a business. And In businesses, for one to be successful and to survive, you have to really fight for the top places. Music of course is an art which must be celebrated, but Kpop is a manufactured industry which uses music to ultimately make profit.

[@shalmali5843]

No matter how many times we tell this, people will still fight for awards!

[@mariumkhalid7388]

@@someoneontheinternet6363 every single industry is manufactured including kpop and the western music industry. However for a group as successful as EXO at that point awards definitely don't matter much to them. They're multi millionaires ffs

[@dinzhaatsir5117]

he's not naive for stating a fact. the problem here is not the music, but the industry itself.

[@nia8300]

@@shalmali5843 what do you mean naive. that's disrespectful.

[@cl4za]

I’m still confused. Why is this a thing??? Is it fans doing it to their idols or what? And why do fandoms fight each other?? It’s soooo toxic.

[@itzmehDevi]

They are not fans :)

[@rere0971]

Black ocean is showingnoun; large numbers of fans agreeing to simultaneously turn off their lightsticks during a designated group or singer's performance as a way of showing their dissatisfaction with said group/singer for any reason. Lol I copy this from google

[@jvst_w0lfy441]

@@rere0971 that's really sad :(

[@sapphirexwind]

Because they are children.

[@itzmehDevi]

@@sapphirexwind o-o huh? A bit steryorypical-

[@STVIP8808]

why need to turn the lightsticks when we have sun in the stage 😂😂 its the VIP thing 😆😆

[@woozispace3043]

they gave seventeen a black ocean in 2015, now seventeen has millions of fans.

[@mo.on_tae1277]

Yea

[@justaneverydaycatiguess744]

Seventeen be like we scored a HOME RUN.

[@mlkcat]

FOR ME I DON'T CONSIDER IT BLACK OCEAN THO, SINCE CARATS DON'T HAVE LIGHTSTICK THAT TIME. AND IT'S ALSO UNLIKELY TO USE ANOTHER FANDOM'S LIGHTSTICK WHILE CHEERING OTHER GROUP. 🤔

[@woozispace3043]

@@mlkcat defiently ! since in 2015 it was maybe quiet weird to do that

[@rupaschannel5856]

Yess

[@chrislynkith]

“There’s no competition, it’s all love and support in KPOP” - GOT7 Jackson Wang 💚 Proud ahgasae here 💚

[@nora8820]

Another proud Ahgase here.

[@destiny415]

Another one here

[@amelufe]

another one here.

[@anisosoreho4242]

Unfortunately another one here!!

[@nora8820]

Let this go up. Let others know our boys a.k.a. KINGS speak really wise words and this is just a part of it. They are wonderful, amazing and obviously our LAST PIECE and reason to BREATH💚😂

[@anonymouslegion5922]

There is no competition in music...the fans must know that

[@carenboston2996]

We must enjoy not compete it

[@Megha486]

If music industry wasn't a competition, then there wouldn't be award shows. But people need to realise that idols are humans too.

[@seokjinnyy5020]

You obviously don't understand the kpop industry...

[@theunicorn4079]

Yeah from someone who's spent the last 10 years in the entertainment / performing industry every thing is a competition even trying to stay afloat in the industry is competitions its hard work, people working against each other too have the best music the best acting and dancing skills it's all a big competition, and the amount of toxic factors in this industry dosnt help but thats the way it is.

[@marinettedupain-cheng9930]

@God's Menu TV you're right, its not artist against artist, artist against mistreating companies

[@vynesjade1984]

They will never do that to EXO because they have us EXO-L a hyper fandom in the industry

[@jajangmyoenfp]

Immaturity flows on those fans who likes to give a black ocean to their idols Edit:Thank you for the likes omo

[@jwn955]

To whom may not know yet, This video mostly contains false information regarding Lovelyz and their fandom. As a resident fan of korea and active at that period, it's certain the fandom never punished nor boycotted any of the member in the group because the fandom at that time was quite in contrary, actively confronting antis that were spreading rumors and attacking the falsely accused member. The fandom didn't even physically have any lightsticks that would cause a black ocean at the Pepsi concert (Dec 6th 2015) because the light sticks were first released in January 2017. And the Pepsi concert was a prize to win which was purely luck driven. Not many lovelyz fans even won tickets. I remember because i was actively buying scratch card coupons to win tickets at that time but won none. How would a fandom conduct a black ocean when there are zero light sticks to begin with and not many people even got in the venue..? What actually happened was that anti and trolls over at Twitter that tried to make a controversy out of thin air. they made hash tags such as # ㄼㄹㅈ_텐미닛_소취(which means 'make Lvlz BO happen'. The purpose was assumed to drive a wedge between lovelyz fans and other fandoms because that would sabotage the upcoming comeback and album release on the very next day of Pepsi concert which is December 7th 2015. (Lovelyz - for you released on Dec 7th 2015) In fact, from the general audience that actually attended the concert made testimonies that the on-site crowd was fine and lovelyz fans were busy shouting fanchants. This video not only imputes what the ANTIs have done to Lovelyz, but also unfairly blames it on the actual fandom that continuously protected the falsely accused member.. Sadly as a result, the video unintentionally spreads new rumors that the fandom was disintent with the falsely accused member. This is quite a mistake as for almost 2M people that watched this video is misinformed and formed a fabricated view towards the group and its fandom. This channel really should fix the misinformation put out.

[@jajangmyoenfp]

@@jwn955 i didn't mean about that show/event but i do mean about the immaturities of those fans who have the intention to give a black ocean to their idols

[@mashikyukyu8519]

oh hey teume 🥺

[@tuhina1892]

I don't even have money to go to my fav's concert and they waste money like that

[@jajangmyoenfp]

@@mashikyukyu8519 hello😁😳

[@bleeparmy7445]

I remember when even ARMYS turned their lightstick to green when Billie performed even though some of their fans were booing when BTS performed.

[@stephanietthompson2474]

Its a new stretch. I thought theyd turn it off fora sec😧

[@nemo_4981]

I think I remember them turning it off for Katy Perry

[@Tajikdxt]

@@nemo_4981 since when tf do western artists care about light sticks and oceans

[@m1m207]

@@nemo_4981 yea, she disrespected bts and their fans so they gave her the black ocean.

[@bleeparmy7445]

@@nemo_4981 yeah some even left because some ARMYS felt offended of what she said

[@larrieganancial4720]

Imagine being a rookie and you had a black ocean while performing...But SEVENTEEN still had smiles on their faces Omg...THANK U FOR THE LIKES!!!! I wasn’t expecting this😭

[@nheslieannemora3270]

And now they have the prettiest lightstick

[@rawanalmadi4675]

But why did they do that to seventeen ???

[@kijoring580]

Almost every group experienced having a black ocean especially rookies

[@aheleeghosal]

@@kijoring580 what is the reason?

[@Natobite]

@@kijoring580 thats different, most of kpop rookie has a fan from their sunbae to help them, so they never got a really black ocean like svt, svt had successfull sunbae too like after school, but on that year, playgirlz(as fanclub name) are not there again... thats why svt had a different black ocean with other rookies, other rookies still had some fans to keep their on lighstick

[@suhosselfportraitwithlove4389]

I remember when exols made a huge E-X-O sign (using lightsticks) in the middle of the black ocean in one of the year-end gayo dajeuns.

[@jencastillo5696]

Which one? Is there a video? I wanna watch. Can you give me the link.

[@user-dd5zp1vf1o]

when , can u pls give the link??

[@girlinluv426]

Wow , it gave me goosebumps , can you give link of video i want to see

[@katherinehoward1884]

There should be a term called “Star Ocean” when there’s a Black Ocean but there’s still lightsticks on, looking like a night with stars. Feel free to share opinions and to disagree.

[@dippydaniel7716]

Thought you got your head chopped off babes x

[@lewis1834]

That’s a glorified way to look at it and in my opinion unnecessary but i think it can be used as a positive term for something a little different. I wouldn’t really know though I don’t listen to k-pop or know what the experience is like haha. Maybe it can be used as a term to identify the breaking of a toxic practice in k-pop fan culture (black ocean)

[@praneeshpal8677]

It's beautiful . Love it💜💜

[@yuyiiscool2350]

Katherine Howard, right as always

[@katherinehoward1884]

@@dippydaniel7716 just describing what heaven is

[@user-rt8hl4rp4k]

Y'know, I find it really upsetting that some of us can't even afford tickets but here are some people who buy tickets and then just hate on them

[@user-jj4dx8yo7u]

Yeah atleast i get to see them in person even though im a mile away

[@lisajay7089]

💯

[@KimFebriany]

Truee

[@evekam3900]

Haters spend their money and time on groups they hate For me it's funny

[@rhemy711]

That stupid right. Some fans have more dollars then cents (sense) #Spent_money_on_tickets #No_money_for_batteries haha😆😂

[@vaishnavibandaru1646]

Seventeen: Had a black ocean back then because they had no lightstick Also Seventeen: Have one of the most beautiful lightsticks rn

[@jun_thefeelingmaknaehyung6001]

most beautiful lightstick

[@achetlongchar9302]

seungcheol made Shure that their lightstick is bright and now we have our carats bong famously known as "Queen Of Aesthetic" 💎💖

[@jynxjerez2582]

Agree to you all. Seventeen got one of the most beautiful🤧

[@yeppueda9028]

i agree

[@junsdangerousenglishteache1079]

Why am I living under the rock?? I never knew about this. I'm literally in tears🤧🤧🤧 Bitch!!!Now I'm mad🤯🤬

[@NoOne-hq9lo]

BRUHHH when I heard exo’s name I chocked real hard and my heart started beating quick- HOW DARE THEY HURT MY BOYS HEARTS LIKE THAT I’M SO SAD NOOOOW :’((( But exo-ls who were there was like : WE GOT YOU OUR KINGS

[@worldwidearin]

Honestly, this is sad. In America, we don’t have light sticks for bands or artists. So the majority of the time the crowd is dark. Sometimes we use lighters during a song but that’s about it. It’s a shame to think that people would purposely turn down lights to a performing group. Any concert I’ve been to, I’ve always been respectful of other artists, even if I wasn’t into their music. You wanna be disrespectful, that’s cool, I’ll scream to the music and start moshing ;)

[@emilyantimo8077]

I usually use my phones flash! Why even go to a concert if you’re going to do something childish like this ?

[@mileena2637]

Exactly!

[@dixidixi597]

There are artists who use light sticks/something lit. I was on the 1989 tour by Taylor Swift and we all had one under our seats but the difference was we couldn’t turn them off on specific songs so yeah

[@Lionspel]

Some people threw bottles to artists performing that they didn't like.

[@nezukochan891]

Well, there's phone flash tho

[@Nisha0523]

SNSD and TWICE black ocean were the most terrifying as they both were rookies that time Feeling very sad after seeing World War 3 under my comment. Seriously people are losing morality over kpop.

[@sexsanlol]

when did the TWICE black ocean happened ? (ye sorry im not a once)

[@Nisha0523]

@@sexsanlol In mama 2016 when they won soty.(It's okay:)

[@kenchi4789]

Yea and i remember armys are the only one who remained their lightsticks on now twice is best gg and bts best boy group

[@Nisha0523]

@@kenchi4789 yeah and we are always greatful to Army.Yeah now both are the king and queen of kpop.

[@tabbyleex]

@@kenchi4789 aahh agree on the part where army is the major fandom that still have their ls on. But I do remember watching a fancam where other fandoms wave their ls during twice performance and daesang were announced. It's kinda misinformed but okay

[@pinkymay20]

Some kpop fans literally are the most inhumane and arrogant fans i've ever seen.They want to control their idols as DOLLS. If their idols do not behave exactly like they want,they mercilessly start to attack their idols,and even gave them black ocean.Come on idols are not a thing that you can control.They are human too.Have some empathy.I have been army for almost 2years and most of the reasons fans are attacking to their idols are petty.For instance,idol go to club or having dating rumour etc.Oh come on why can't they do such thing when you are also doing the exact same thing. Whats so irritating me the most is that "Idols can not date" sentance.Its so stupid.Look at western artist,their fans keep supporting them even after they get married which clearly show that their fans arent support their artist just for their apperance or just for entertainment but genuinely support their music.Why cant like that too for Kpop idols? Do you become your idol fan just because of their good looking? Or because they behave exactly like you want? Learn a little more about LIFE and stop controlling your idols.

[@praneeshpal8677]

My point exactly !!!

[@seiraaina2067]

Cpop worse imo. Jp scene is the one that seems a bit lax

[@raviedavieu]

@@seiraaina2067 What's cpop stand for?

[@thatidiotsofa2659]

@@raviedavieu I think it’s Chinese pop? Idk

[@aidavarasteh1111]

you know why they want to control them?! because of the companies! These big entertainment companies are trying to make these talented people(I mean idols; I hate to use this word by the way) like god !They are representing them as robots in human shape😑 So these fans feel they have the right to treat them as they wish! Kpop industry is glamorous and shiny BUT THE COMPANIES AND FANDOMS CAN BE THE MOST TOXIC THINGS IN THE WORLD . I hope this toxic behavior end and people actually treat these talented people because of their talents not just because of their looks!

[@fbifederalbureauofinvestig5059]

EXO-L know how to spread their light when black coming...they know what they do....

[@taeslilclown9801]

no offence to everyone else, but snsd had it THE WORST if we’re talking about black oceans.

[@jmnac13]

TRUE

[@sabrina16477]

well yeah since they had an actual full on black ocean (also Big Bang if you want to count it lmfaoo)

[@kimnavarro1995]

Correct cause it started in SNSD rookie debut 1st dream concert and that's real BLACK OCEAN.

[@laviellie]

agree

[@tblmoon]

TRUEE 😬

[@Elisa-wp5bg]

As a musician, i can't even imagine how they must have felt. All that excercise and practice, and when you finally go on stage, you get this kind of feedback. I'd be distraught.... So much disrespect. If you don't like them it's a thing, but this way you're disrespecting all the commitment they put into their work.

[@someboreddudeintheinternet4693]

your pfp is a black ocean lol this is obviously sarcastic and just a joke

[@Elisa-wp5bg]

@@someboreddudeintheinternet4693 LMAO NOOOOOO

[@sengyengvang7202]

Aww yeah, man that's gotta suck

[@beany1944]

It just reflect badly on those people. They are low down nasty toxic people. The artist still get paid though and those people paid them so the jokes really on them though

[@Elisa-wp5bg]

@@beany1944 i know, but i can't help but think how it would have felt if i was in their place. Yes, money are a good reward, but in my opinion nothing is more worth than being truly appreciated for your hard work.

[@Manuelaorginal]

These "fans" are so petty. It's more than annoying

[@Jimmyhsu3388]

Woa 2 months ago and 809 like yet no replys ill be first!

[@michu_choo_choo]

Woa 2 months ago and 858 likes yet 1 reply i’ll be second!

[@fatimafarooq6342]

I don't think so we can call them fans. 🤢🤢

[@taiyo4543]

Other fandoms do black ocean to punish their idols Big bang fans : battery go brrrrrrr

[@mandysy2399]

I'm a senior kpop fan and back to when BTS was still not that popular, they experienced a black ocean too. Experiencing a black ocean does not mean your idols sucks.

[@ElsaKyle]

seriously, the oceans on this list is just because there is no light stick but they could have use their phone's flashlight too, not that there is really no light at all. only the SNSD REAL black ocean is terrifying and would be a constant nightmare to the girls.

[@armyabesha9486]

If I'm not wrong it was when they got their first artist of the year maybe.

[@alvinkurniawan7114]

The thing is all idol already got the black ocean

[@exosproudmamabear558]

Mostly shows korean fans are butthurt people

[@btsesthetic640]

@@armyabesha9486 Actually it was before when BTS won their first daesang Album of the year in 2016 MMA

[@rose-of7sx]

"no need for a lightstick when there's a sun on stage" 😭😭😭😭 i love you vip

[@noah4607]

😭thats touching

[@erii.bunbun]

Welllll.... They did have Sol/Solar on the stage already 😂

[@wasabicriollo]

Of course ☀️Taeyang !

[@zephaniahsadiaza2018]

taeyang 😭😭😭😂

[@sahithirudraraju7428]

Vip's are the iconic fandoms to grace this earth🖤😂😭😭😭

[@TheAriesprincess19]

It’s so stupid how fans will literally boycott groups for interacting with the opposite sex. These idols are humans just like us. They really need to make some changes in the K-POP industry. 🙄

[@zoemsc2949]

yea its sad that most of the people are still homophobic

[@agusdananjaya2202]

It's too difficult to change fans mindset.

[@Error-qt4lu]

I remember when sulli got so much hate just for having relationships and her personal/sexual life was bashed on media. Netizens are lunatics and honestly heartless (R.I.P Choi Sulli)

[@vincenzo6052]

@@Error-qt4lu it was korean netizens but I-fans (international fans) take to a whole another level. They go as far as hacking, creating rumors, sneaking into their idols homes, and assassinating them if they don't like something... it's rlly sad. I-fans hacked Sulli's phone and threatened her during her talking in radio..

[@mananm4911]

Other group: 😔😢😓💔 Meanwhile... Big bang: Not to us just relax bro.... Me:☺️☺️☺️👍👍😅

[@dararariiii2567]

During Seventeen’s performance the only light sticks that I see were on were VIPs and Armys.

[@mixx-n-match]

3:26 i spot aghasee too hahaha I'm thankful that not all non-fans are immature

[@haileyyjk1996]

🥺🥺🥺🥺

[@horanghae8500]

Proud to be a Carat- Army:’((

[@Meijibby]

Im a carat and a army-

[@cicianne10]

@@mixx-n-match yeah Ahgases always cheer up everybody...Always.Its music and we are here to enjoy each performances we can.

[@gabyiana777]

Imagine paying like 100 dollars and try to do a black ocean- Chile jokes on you. You paid a lot of money for them tickets lmao. Edit: ty for the likes, i may be wrong in the statement i said, and thanks to the person who corrected me. And thanks to the people who agreed with me.

[@starwinter6845]

in Korea, tickets are very cheap. Like $30 or less often times. So it's not that much if they wanted to do that. Over here stadiums and venues upcharge like crazy but in Korea these kinds of things are much more accessible

[@gabyiana777]

@@starwinter6845 ohh wow i thought they were going to be expensive since hundreds of people go.

[@jimmyju76]

I'm pretty sure there's more then one group performing

[@nguyenthiphuonganh]

Are you teen? 100$ for a concert ticket is nowhere to be close to ‘expensive’. A adult spends about 2,000$ a month in America anyway.

[@gabyiana777]

@@nguyenthiphuonganh oh i was just saying that i thought that the concert tickets were expensive since a lot of people go.

[@mylinhnguyen8985]

SNSD was trying to comfort their fans for sure. No one can ignore such an obvious huge black ocean right in front of their eyes.

[@summera7144]

Ikr and the loud “wonder girls” chant

[@masakazuhiruko550]

And the video is the proof they all look terrified and wanted to cry. During the song Girls generation their voices are waivering so much.

[@itsmecharlesdo.2]

After that incident, people are cheering for them in 2013 Dream Concert.

[@waiphyo8008]

Big Bang and V.I.P are Savage 🤣🤣

[@nana_delilah]

*a black ocean happens* other groups: oh no this is so sad BigBang: y’all this is funny AF

[@yuko-.0]

LMAO

[@kately9727]

Fucking legends

[@dipabaligupta1314]

KINGS for a reason!!

[@STVIP8808]

true thoo imagine them reading the comments like why need lightsticks when there is sun in the stage lmaoo🤭🤭😂

[@xiaonailee7730]

Very well said.black ocean whuuuttt???when vips have their own savage reason....hahaha

[@tzuhuiz1405]

and now seventeen has the most beautiful lightstick out of all the lightsticks and it’s one of the brightest lightsticks out there held by so many fans . seventeen is shining brighter than ever now .

[@maryjoyguillen9165]

❤

[@yok4ever]

yessss

[@laviellie]

i love my fam and sebongs!!

[@noobenny]

💎💙🌻

[@wvnwoo]

Yessssss ❤️

[@qn_.]

If a black ocean happen, I’ll keep my lightstick on just to show support and I’ll tell the people next to me to do so too

[@washyourhandswithsopeandho9949]

Same!

[@narendrakumargiri.2970]

Exactly.. me too

[@robot2724]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6nGmaaQn7iYppY

[@shiichu284]

I'd bring the lightstick and a very bright flashlight, Big and bright. I aint letting them do this 😐

[@risingmermo]

@@shiichu284 bring those really powerful flash lights

[@lucy-ku4zf]

Say thank you G-DRAGON for the lightstick

[@xxx_emae5578]

Yeahh the man who invented lightstick to identify their fandoms.. He's trendsetter in many ways. 🐉🌼💛

[@axe_seen3798]

Why can't we just support each other and not bring other idols down, why can't we just enjoy music?!!

[@4AMReflections]

Western or International fans can understand but not locals. They are too obsessed. They just want their favourites to be better than everyone.

[@ew1786]

4AM Reflections no, international fans can be toxic to and locals can be really kind and respectful

[@oyimangs2921]

Very true

[@Stillonelymp3]

@@4AMReflections in current situation u see international are more toxic than local have a visit on . till 2016 every fandom was very peaceful

[@Death1500th]

AXE_seen true but some idols do deserve it ... cough cough blackpink cough cough ..

[@hninn8069]

Seventeen shouldn’t be here. It was just that they didn’t have many fans. Not with the real purpose of black ocean. But other fans should’ve turned on their light sticks and support other idols too

[@joo6494]

Seventeen shouldn't be on this list. The heck.

[@polaroid_people4676]

@@joo6494 why are you so upset by it lol.

[@thegoldsquadplus2912]

@@joo6494 i mean if they had it once, then they should be. seventeen is pretty successful now.. never forget where you came from.

[@Christian-ie3bh]

Nobody deserves a black ocean, regardless of what its purpose is. Additionally, the video didn’t say that it was only because Seventeen didn’t have many fans, it also said that they didn’t have light sticks yet. Though I do agree, other fans should’ve kept their light sticks on.

[@bigfoodstyle5531]

I don’t like how ppl only put their light sticks on for their favorites at award shows. I think they should support and cheer for all idols because of how hard they work

[@potato7596]

Exo antis: give them black ocean Exols: this is our stadium

[@han2735]

Right

[@ibelieveinsvt5099]

Yesss.!

[@subhadramahanta452]

Yup! I love my fellow EXO-Ls

[@johncarloesteban1417]

Yas! Yas! Yasss!!!

[@sashymi6837]

FACTS

[@kuy416]

These fans are crazy. They act like these idols owe them everything.

[@natnat4852]

it's so funny when they try to give exo a black ocean but failed cause the whole venue was dominated by exo ls

[@ayesha-co3tt]

_we are one_ ♡

[@gamingvlogs719]

and they came up with the reason : run out of battery?? 😜😜 run out my foot,

[@elieau]

well well well 😌💗

[@jdaezii_322]

Exo and Exo-L Power

[@ray-rb6js]

Hahaha we are one

[@hjarmy8713]

i was surpised they did that to seventeen, who wouldn't like them?

[@meii5759]

"who wouldn't like them?" that's my question in all the video lol

[@haoshan24]

people say that its kind of situational that they were only rookies so people were still new to them and carats didnt have a light stick yet but i do agree! them having an exceptional performance as rookies did not deserve that disrespect.

[@wonuuscat]

ifkr! Seventeen has the best comebacks and showcases! this scenario should've never happened to them.

[@a7xmaNga]

Same

[@neethubabulal7706]

Same

[@johnnysandjaehyunsfartjar9888]

haters: let's give exo a black ocean exo-ls: lol no edit: please stop lol, i am aware this isn't namjoon on my profile picture.

[@deterjankokusu1529]

YOUR NAME-

[@anniebanannie4542]

THE NAME IM DEAD-

[@sunlinleah8176]

Damn 🤭

[@regina0273]

Change the profile pic to ur profile name 👀 Jkjk, lil joonie is adorable

[@anniebanannie4542]

@@regina0273 IM DEAD I LOVE YALL-

[@charminecariazo8623]

running out of batteries in a Bigbang concert would've been hell of a circus! the batteries of old version bangbongs are hard to replace. you literally have to use tweezers for those. so please understand us! 😂🤣

[@asadashino3115]

Lmao understandable...Have a nice day 🐯👍

[@ronaldo_spider7930]

That seventeen situation was just disgusting. Yes, I understand that fans might not like Seventeen, but the least they could do was show respect as carats didn't have light sticks. Smh, some fandoms are disgusting and just so toxic towards everyone even ROOKIES for gods sake! But now they're thriving and those fandoms- so embarrassing for them lmao.

[@rubychen2635]

all black oceans are disgusting not just seventeen’s

[@mhsa4895]

Rookies somehow get the most hate sometimes

[@BeepBopyoureaHeepHop]

@@rubychen2635 for why did you think you had to say that?

[@pretty_dolores7873]

@@rubychen2635 now carats have the prettiest lightstick

[@kpop_multistan5447]

@@pretty_dolores7873 ofc, it's prettiest whatever u say. I mean just look at those colours and the diamond on the top

[@TakaS013]

The black ocean thing is just stupid and completely pointless in doing.

[@dishaagrawal6958]

Agreed!!!

[@mary-victoriaezeanaka6175]

Exactly, like they already paid to go to the concert

[@irenejessica4413]

Honestly with some groups like AOA it'll be more understandable because you know...

[@yominix]

@@irenejessica4413 actually its not. Bc aoa has girls that worked hard to debut. There have been things going on but remember they were all in the same group tbw, so if they got it since the begin then all of them would suffer even though all you want so badly is that only one person suffers. Sorry but black ocean is smth that no idol deserves.

[@myewzek2913]

Ok but when Katy perry insulted us, she deserved it lmao idgaf

[@leslyhuang9332]

WHO THE F GAVE MY BOYS SEVENTEEN THIS GODDAMN BLACK OCEAN??? I’M-

[@kermitdidnotlikethat6392]

IM RAGGINGGGG>:(((

[@sebonteesen4064]

probably the fandom who was popular at that time in the kpop community, not naming their fandom tho, but the hint is "year 2015" :)

[@ninichuuuu]

@@sebonteesen4064 i don't get it 😩

[@jenniferlopez4494]

@@sebonteesen4064 I don't get it either

[@chloex2955]

@@sebonteesen4064 I don’t think it was bts fans

[@pornesianpapario4877]

I too went to a snsd concert.. and guys you all know.. when they stepped on the stage all people turned their lightstick off.. But y'all know I kept my lightstick on.. and supported them the whole performance.. I feel soo sad.. how they can call themselves as sone.. IDK ಥ_ಥ

[@venusdelatorre9152]

AND NOW CARAT BONG IS ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST LIGHTSTICK THAT EVER EXIST IN KPOP.

[@hudapizza7917]

Im tearing up over this.

[@deanne5464]

:")

[@elly8530]

It really is 🤚

[@LUVSC0UPS]

PERIOOOOODDDTT

[@Pal-w9v]

I'm not a carat(planning to be one but NCT is literally making me want to go with them lmao) but that lightstick is beautiful asf no cap, Is truly beautiful I want one even tho I'm not a carat

[@monabulusan6028]

"No need for lightsticks when there's a sun on the stage." YASSSSS VIPs stating facts 😂💛

[@monabulusan6028]

@@fullmoon1255 yeah sure but VIPs sure dont need explanations. hehe We VIPs already know the fact that BIGBANG shines as bright as the moon and the stars and we dont have to prove that to anyone. I mean they are not dubbed as KPOP KINGS for nothing. 😊

[@diabloopthefish1397]

@@fullmoon1255 i assumed that this was a hate comment for some reason

[@fullmoon1255]

@@diabloopthefish1397 nah I was saying that turning on the lighsticks make the performance more alegant. I don't have any doubt that they are legends in kpop history.

[@vipbigbang1311]

Yess I agreee

[@adoroselatte]

@Albus Dumbledore facts hehe

[@soobinations]

Exo anti: *tries to make a black ocean* Exol: You know that more than half of the audience is just us right 👁👄👁

[@inidraayla9286]

Omg,I love this,haha ! You get that antis?

[@shalmali5843]

Haha. We, EXO-Ls really dominate the venues.

[@jyostnabenparmar1783]

Exactly 🤣👌😂😂✋❤

[@dearpetrichor1007]

LMAO SO TRUE

[@nah4266]

Not an exol but this is👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@lolitaliva842]

Other kpop sad because of black ocean and there's bigbang bang! bang! bang!

[@Boonies]

“Fans”are scary, they demand so much and are never satisfied, it’s bitter sweet with so called fans 🥵 BUT there are TRUE fans who treat and love you no matter what

[@viantiel7276]

ikr.. just think, if the group has 7 members, there are about 30 million fans (for example) so it means, the group's success is bcause of the 30 million fans, not just 1.. why would that 1 fan demand so much from that group?

[@jazmin5965]

I swear theres an age where all those kids use that smiley xdd

[@ryurangicart3541]

I hate talking about that past 'scandal' which is clearly false do a right research,it wasn't her fault she's innocent.

[@ryurangicart3541]

SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG MAYGHAD CASSY

[@ninapolvorosa6983]

@@ryurangicart3541 Kadenang Ginto?HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@winterwut8261]

@@ryurangicart3541 at shat my ghad😂

[@ryurangicart3541]

FOR MORE INFORMATION We did not turn our backs on Jisoo.Lmao replies on the pinned comment are funny,the stage in this vid happened wayback 2015 and our official light stick was released on 2017 it's understandable.😬

[@ryurangicart3541]

Not all linus will turn back just bcs of that false issue, we're not the same,if u hate Jisoo u don't have to reply here i don't need your opinion.

[@chitxra]

lets give a moment of silence for people who tried to black ocean EXO 💀

[@noodle1446]

They don’t even deserve the respect of a moment of silence 😫

[@taliajones6296]

I wish

[@angelachiera]

it's so funny that they tried so hard to humiliate exo but failed lmaooo

[@melodypond1003]

I would have black-oceaned them. Their constant, intentional racism towards Kai and their Black fans from around the world makes my blood boil. Girl Groups get black-oceaned for no reason when terrible groups like SuJu and Exo exist (even though I would gladly Black Ocean Mamamoo, Oh My Girl, GFriend, and G-Idle).

[@nurulbalqiis278]

Why you said like that??!!!!!

[@metatron873]

The big bang concert looks like Hell, because of darkness and fire

[@xxx_emae5578]

Yow what's with this comment?

[@elfiewanniang5096]

Hella awesome 🤟

[@AishiBhattacharyaOfficial]

Chen in EXO's last MAMA winning speech: "There's no competition in Music"

[@eonnijang2588]

Right,,, Why does everyone always compare idols to one another, between seniors and juniors, between the first generation or so on, between this agency and that, between one fandom and another, why can't it be peaceful ... if you don't like it, it's pretty quiet but Just pay attention to them, respect them as if we want to be respected by others ... winning or not is just a small gift for them as their hard work so far ... they just want to be respected and appreciated ...please don't war" again okay,,,

[@largibolala2691]

What a joke when trainees compete just to debut and if the group’s music dont do well, the group is given less projects and disbands.

[@berryxia4921]

@@largibolala2691 music is an art of expression so there is no competition it’s the industry that makes the competition though

[@queensaramsarang1138]

December 2018, (bts) anti gave Dunken Tiger black ocean because he collaborated with RM. not to mention it was mainly your fandom 🥴

[@squishytan7]

He was starting facts. Yes there's no competition in music but sometimes the industry and the surrounding change it into a competition. Music is something to be enjoyed and not to be compared. Each artist puts a lot of effort in making music, all they want is to express their talent and to satisfy their audience. If people don't like certain songs then just stop listening to it, why bother to spread hate? It's allowed to give critisism but not hatred. Respect the hardwork!

[@invoker4901]

So everyone is gonna ignore the fact the TWICE also recieved a Black ocean when they won SOTY at MAMA in 2016 for Cheer Up ? Even BTS recieved the Black ocean int the same event when they won AOTY . The only silver lining in this was Both ONCES AND ARMYS used there lightstick to support each other's group . This is one of the worst as well as wholesome moment for the 2 fandom . Proud to be an ARMYONCE

[@berry9981]

Whatttt bts and twice received black ocean people are just jealous of them

[@invoker4901]

@@berry9981 True . they could not handle the impact of Cheer Up and TT

[@lunaangel4236]

I agree fandoms can be so supportive of eachother even tho sometimes the toxic people argue and cause dramas- But overall fandoms are super sweet when you ignore them 💜💖💜

[@lilasm7821]

And Armyonces hate Blackpink I don't understand why.

[@shanaylatran3438]

@@lilasm7821 dont generalize

[@Shadow247night]

LOL jokes on the people/fans trying to do things like "black ocean". They all paid for the tickets....

[@niknorliza5247]

True. Haters try to black ocean people but paid for tickets. People, who ever is performing or what ever group, get your lightstick on!

[@rehan-ci1tk]

Yeah and they call themselves "fan" . Childish fans are the worst.

[@angiemaldonadoramirez3484]

Lol

[@zm3375]

imma try to look on the artists perspective. yes, artists still got the money from the tickets revenues, but haters mission is actually attacking their mental health and i can see its works (i know there's idols who is though cookie) but lotsa idol not prepared to be attacked that much mentally, to be hated that much in the face, the humiliation. so i were the artist even if i got the money i still feel attacked mentally and definitely need a break in my career to cure myself. thats why there's some idols confessing that they afraid of camera.

[@notme8652]

But it's not always about the money What's the Point of having money if You think everyone Doesn't like you

[@shhtreasure7chill734]

Bigbang and vips being different again 😂

[@Leobdungi]

For anyone who said it’s lovelyz fans who creating black ocean for lovelyz, lovelyz don’t have lightstick until 2017. Don’t spread false information both about lovelyz and lovelinus.

[@jwn955]

what's more FRUSTRATING is that. The video not only carelessly addresses about Jisoo's false accusation without clarification, but Lovelyz fandom DIDN'T punish or boycott Jisoo for her NEVER occurred "mistake" because we know it was all rumors and false accusations to begin with. It was the opposite. the fandom was exhaustively fighting off anti's and disguised anti-fans at that period. To start off, the lovelyz fandom did not have any light sticks in December 6th 2015 when the Pepsi-concert happened. The First official fandom Lovelinus 1st generation was officially established in Feb, 21st, 2016 which is MONTHS AFTER the Pepsi concert. The fandom’s First official light stick 'Luvbong' was first introduced on January 5th, 2017 at the ‘First Official Concert; Lovelyz in Winterland 1’ which is about TWO YEARS APART from the Pepsi-concert incident. Furthermore, the Pepsi-concert was a PRIZE to Win concert. People either had to buy multiple loads of Pepsi cans, bottles that are bundled with scratch card coupons or buy products and services from franchises that are in relation to Pepsi event to see if they win. In my case, I specifically went to GS retailers in Korea to buy special bundled bottles tagged with scratch cards but won none. As figured, the odds of winning the concert ticket is not that high and purely luck driven. As a result, I haven’t seen that many Lovelyz fans winning the event. Never enough to fill ‘체조경기장’ a quite large stadium or to even think of “black ocean”. How can own fandom conspire a black ocean against Lovelyz when there weren't that many attended and had ZERO light sticks to begin with? Spreading as it was LOVELYZ's fandom that caused black ocean on our own artist is not only INSULTING to us but blatantly MISLEADING as we've been SUPPORTIVE of lovelyz members through out 5~6 years span because of countless attacks from ANTIs outside. Lovelyz fans at that period (and still is) supportive about Jisoo and even conducted numerous hashtag movements to clear off malicious comments and hashtags on twitter that tried to slander Jisoo. ANTIs continuously tried to spread malicious comments on (NATE, Daumcafe, instiz)and hashtags at that time in order to sway and manipulate ignorant knets opinions. What actually happened was that anti and trolls over at Twitter that tried to make a controversy out of thin air. they made hash tags such as # ㄼㄹㅈ_텐미닛_소취(which means 'make Lvlz BO happen'. The purpose was assumed to drive a wedge between lovelyz fans and other fandoms because that would sabotage the upcoming comeback and album release on the very next day of Pepsi concert which is December 7th 2015. (Lovelyz - for you released on Dec 7th 2015) In fact, from the general audience that actually attended the concert made testimonies that the on-site crowd was fine and lovelyz fans were busy shouting fanchants. This video not only imputes what the ANTIs have done to Lovelyz, but also unfairly blames it on the actual fandom that continuously protected the falsely accused member. As a result the video unintentionally spreads new rumors that the fandom was disintent with the falsely accused member. This is a huge mistake as for almost 2M people that watched this video is misinformed and formed a fabricated view towards the group and its fandom. Unlike this video portrays, Jisoo is not in the wrong to begin with, NO she didn't make "mistakes" and lovelinus, as a fandom, was, is and will be supportive of her. What this channel has done is definitive form of a mistake and should fix the misinformation put out.

[@zeddy2284]

@@jwn955 ^^^

[@ishowyoubequiet8770]

lmao to the youtube channel who posted this video. it lacked content so it made false rumors lolllll

[@blurberrycreative1996]

This person should just delete their whole channel Garbage, misinformed clickbait content that appears in suggestion videos

[@jwn955]

If the misleading parts in the video is kept unedited it would be unintentionally fulfilling what the ANTIs were trying to accomplish in 2015. Spreading Rumors and Misinformation. They need to edit this. On the early morning to afternoon on December 6th 2015, Lovelyz fans were busy discussing and enjoying talking about the First Official Fanmeeting LOVELY DAY 1 that was held in DECEMBER 5TH 2015 (2015/12/05) which was A DAY BEFORE Pepsi concert. (TBH Pepsi concert wasn't even on priority of discussion as only few fans have won the tickets.) There are screenshots of what kind of discussion and lists of threads were there at that time period. Mostly positivity towards our memories made on that fan meeting. Then, Lovelyz fandom first came to knowledge about the supposed "black ocean" incident during the nearing end of the Pepsi concert on DECEMBER 6th 2015(2015/12/06) because people saw bunch of trolls and antis uploading malicious hashtags that pop up over at Twitter. (I have a capture of this aswell) ANTIs tried to make a controversy out of thin air and made dreadful hashtags such as # ㄼㄹㅈㅌ미닛_소취(which means 'make Lvlz _BO_happen'. i censored cause it infuriates me till this day). It is assumed that those ANTIs' purpose was to drive a wedge between Lovelyz fans and other fandoms because that would be a good chance to SABOTAGE and RUIN the upcoming COMEBACK (Lovelyz - For You) and album release which is scheduled on the VERY NEXT DAY of Pepsi concert, DECEMBER 7TH 2015 (2015/12/07). In fact, there are testimonies of people who have ACTUALLY ATTENDED the concert told that the on-site response was fine and LOVELYZ fans were mostly busy shouting CHANTS. In short, The Lovelyz Fandom is the one that felt ambushed, attacked, and confused by the ANTIs provocation or hoax. To IMPUTE what ANTIs have done to our artist and blaming that to the LOVELYZ FANDOM ALONG WITH FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF JS is really FRUSTRATING pill to swallow.

[@maxieljeffers5360]

Big Bang: create the first lightstick in kpop history VIP during a black ocean: no need for lightsticks when there´s a sun in the stage

[@touche995]

Lol this is why I’m a VIP. The sun is BIGBANG ☀️💪

[@welcometomagicshop2135]

I may not with them since the beginning, i'm a certified VIP since 2012 💕

[@cryptidcollector1089]

@Local Clown if ur talking about seungri you can look at bigbang interviews, they’d been joking about being an ot4 and seungri leaving the group for ages before burning sun, when it all went down they didn’t support him, and I doubt they’d have been allowed to kick him out before considering YG is also a scumbag,, please don’t slander bigbang because of the actions of one terrible person

[@shurokenruki4604]

Lol

[@pitbullscrookedjiyong6269]

The reason I love our fandom the actually fr crack me up when I least expect it. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂😂

[@xviymusicc]

BIGBANGs the group that doesn't care bout lightsticks cuz they are the one who invented them at the first place 😂

[@savedbygracehailangvipblin4808]

Yes, and everyone got sad, but not Bigbang. They are really trendsetters.

[@andikawidiyanto9161]

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[@isramenfunny7042]

What is the song bigbang singing?

[@savedbygracehailangvipblin4808]

@@isramenfunny7042 It's Bang bang bang.

[@isramenfunny7042]

@@savedbygracehailangvipblin4808 Thank you

[@twinklestuffs7463]

You can never give EXO black ocean because EXOLs will protect our Kings

[@plaguewater]

I’m a carat and I didn’t know seventeen got a black ocean 😭 and not to mention they didn’t get their light stick yet so carats couldn’t protect them :((( now seventeen has one of the brightest light sticks out there and so many supportive fans ! Carats are a humble fandom who keep their light sticks on for other groups and even change the colour of it. Honestly I don’t understand the purpose of ‘black ocean’, it’s so petty and uncalled for? People need to grow up.

[@margaretmirabete2380]

Yas agree :'(

[@rawanalmadi4675]

I knowww, I’m a new carat too and was pissed at this!! But I’m originally an ELF. We elf made light sticks coz sm didn’t make any for the boys. So I thought Carats should have done the same. P.S SUJU have finally got their light sticks but after 12-14 years of debute.

[@MoonFairy66]

My English is bad and I can't understand the editor speaking so could you please explain me what is Black Ocean supposed to be?

[@rosejanebanoy4871]

Same here. I’m carat for 3 years now but I didn’t know that. That scene makes me sad they’re rookie that time:(

[@plaguewater]

Rose jane Banoy omg same I’ve been a carat since 2017 and was completely oblivious to this whole incident 😟

[@lovestay2609]

international fans can't related

[@julia_likeschicken]

They're so ruuuude! Your behaviour is so UGGGGHHH!!(to rude fans) My comment started war.Sorry,bye.

[@christianregidor7418]

@@julia_likeschicken hey yellow card yellow card

[@kashishlassi1399]

@@julia_likeschicken huynjin 😂😂😂

[@seasaltrocksalt]

Even if any kpop group I don't stan Is having a concert in my country , I will still buy the tickets cuz finally a kpop group is stepping on my country lol-

[@dearchimy3146]

I'm happy then this thing is not related with international fans....and we dont even want to relate it!!! We dont want to be toxic like them

[@sarsaradila]

Haters : Let’s give EXO a black ocean EXOLs : Not today SATAN. Not today

[@eugh5543]

The haters were army's

[@yoongimin3459]

@@eugh5543 not all were army's no need for drama now

[@hoori.]

@@eugh5543 I’m an army but I love exo, even tho I don’t really Stan them

[@Oreeve]

I'm multi-stan though. Love them all❤️

[@thea0825]

@@eugh5543 toxic