What is going on with Range Rover Theft, Values and Insurance?

[@GeoffBuysCars]

PLEASE make sure you subscribe to both Geoff Buys Cars and Challenge The Road! Richard is on 8,270 subscribers as I type this and I want to see him on 10,000 by Friday, come on my people, LET"S GO! Richard deserves it.

[@1gerard47]

Where are they going?

[@esecallum]

SIMPLE solution stop buying range rovers. you only buy them to show off . hey look at my bank balance you peasants you low life i am so much better than you because i have so much money i bought range rover to rub your nose in it. you peasants

[@Kalus_Saxon]

10:15 shit analogy your disrespecting their memory… doing research about shit car designs and theft is hardly the same as putting your head above the parapet to be shot at by machine guns is it…

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@Kalus_Saxon🤦‍♂️

[@bonus2000]

​@@GeoffBuysCars not 100% sure I have got this right word for word, but a mate in the motor trade was telling me that new cars that were sold around 2020 only came with 1 key (might have been something to do with semiconductor shortage), LR left the keyway open to allow another key to be programmed at a later date, but this also allowed theves to program their own keys to steal cars. After a second key was added, the keyway is then locked preventing any more keys to be added. He said the security recall was to close that keyway, especially to cars with only 1 key.

[@Everything_Lincolnshire]

How sad is it when a human being finds turning a key or pressing a button to get in a car to time consuming?

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Exactly where I stand on this.

[@SimonCoates]

They need to keep their 'keys' in a Faraday box when at home and a Faraday wallet when out. I bought them for my son and they work great. The irony is it's more hassle to use them than it would be to turn a conventional ignition key.

[@1gerard47]

Laziness.

[@Richard-r1x7d]

@@SimonCoates I made a Faraday cage out of Davey lamp

[@burnzy3210]

£25k per year insurance because you don't want to turn a key LOL

[@cliveprocter3698]

You touched on this but the real scandal is the apprent inability of the police to identify where many 100s of large near 3 tonne vehicles go to despite having access to trackers, mobile phone records, ANPR and wall to wall high quality CCTV across every town, city and roadway in the country.

[@worldofameiso5491]

The Police are far too busy arresting people who don't use the correct pronouns and shepherding Palestinian protesters around various cities.

[@Livefast..]

Because the police don’t investigate car theft and burglary any more. They just hand out a crime number and let the insurance deal with it. We are getting to the point where private security will have to fill the gap and only the rich will be able to afford protection. They rest of us are just the herd to be fleeced for revenue from speeding fines and whatever other extra taxes they can come up with under the guise of ‘the greater good’.

[@terryhigson434]

On purpose......

[@kingneptune8937]

It's all very surprising.

[@thomasandrewmcgonigal5150]

​@markrangers1423priceless,boneheaded cops refusing to properly investigate.

[@SimonCoates]

I had a Polaris Ranger stolen last year. I contacted my insurance company, NFU, to register the theft and the call handler laughed and said she was relieved it wasn't another Range Rover. I asked why and she said all the claims she'd that day were all Range Rovers and Land Rovers, 8 in a row.

[@RichieRouge206]

That's mad

[@drstrangelove4998]

The police don’t seem to give a damn.

[@mikythesaint6507]

@@drstrangelove4998 Import the 3rd world, import criminal gangs - These cars go straight out of the country. The police are a Joke , they don't even care about car theft.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Wow… Simon I always appreciate your comments, always good 👍

[@jomarga3691]

I’m a motor insurance claims handler - nobody in the industry will touch them.

[@JS-JackSparra21]

This should be a lesson for the introduction of all technological solutions..just because tech can do something doesn’t mean it should, especially when all the unintended outcomes haven’t been given proper consideration.

[@RichieRouge206]

Totally agree

[@GeoffBuysCars]

That sounds very Jurassic park

[@OldskoolCatflap]

mRNA ‘interventions’ anyone? 🤫

[@chadfarber6147]

@@OldskoolCatflap 🎯people are really stupid and refuse to become informed of what’s really happening….it’s wonderful that these so-called ‘theorists’ are being proven to be TRUTHERS…!

[@terrydelahunt842]

Exactly, couldnt have put it better, tech is so full of solutions looking for problems its laughable. A small one from my own personal experience, I got an electronic, retractable towbar on my volvo when I bought it, cost over 1000gbp, and despite using it maybe 2 or 3 times to carry a bicycle rack and a 7.5kg bike, the control unit failed twice and ballsed up all the safety software and caused no end of issues because the dealer was completely useless and clueless. A detachable mechanical towbar would have been far less hassle and stress.

[@michaelg1724]

You can hide a AirTag or other device after removing mic, but everyone who steals these cars will all have mobiles so the police could track them if they were not too busy policing social media

[@robertholland9842]

This is by design

[@telecomsuk]

Samsung do tags they keep a weeks worth of travel on the app, they wont chat to phones like an AirTag will

[@Mike_Ockiner]

I'm sorry, you may not like the police but your comment is completely wrong. They do not police social media and whoever told you that is round the twist.

[@telx2010]

@@Mike_Ockiner If you believe that Steve you're living in cloud cukoo land.

[@miff227]

@@Mike_Ockiner they literally turn up at people's doors saying "we saw what you posted and we're here to check your thinking". Plus thousands detained every year, multiple cases fought by the FSU (usually winning), Police Departments Tweeting "we're watching what you post, be very afraid" in not so many words. Maybe you are defining some of your word's differently? Maybe you'd argue that waiting for 999 calls in their neighbourhood and attending said calls is not "policing the neighbourhood" or something?

[@chrisaris8756]

My renewal has just come in for my F Pace SVR (Range Rovers’s cousin) and my wife’s Volvo V40. We both have many years of no claims and clean licenses (53 years in my case) they wanted £2850 up from £1300 last year!! Ow much! Anyway got it for £1200 from another insurer so job’s jobbed. But I was chatting to the service manager at my Jag dealer about insurance and he said the problem is insurance companies are writing off cars for ridiculous reasons. This group also sell Audi and his Audi counterpart told him they had a 2022 A6 (I think). A pigeon had hit the front smashing a headlight and doing minor damage. Unfortunately Audi were unable to give the insurers any date when they would be able to supply the replacement light. They were talking 2 years (sounds ridiculous to me but my man swears it’s true) so as the insurance company aren’t allowed (or won’t) to use secondhand or pattern parts and they weren’t prepared to pay for a hire car for that long, they wrote it off. That’s why premiums are so ridiculous. Sounds truly weird but I am prepared to believe anything in this insane country.

[@dunmail7744]

Those "ridiculous reasons" are because the things are so ridicuulously complex and expensive to repair it is cheaper to write them off.

[@sagalout]

@@dunmail7744It’s more supply times and car hire costs. I was looking at second hand 911 that had been Cat N because the insurance were looking a 6 month car hire of a similar car. All for the sake of a rear bumper and a wing on an £80k car

[@magikjoe3789]

I've long held the belief that the likes of Copart are a sideline for a tribe of wily insurance assessors...

[@ryandee9338]

I spoke to man that picked up cars involved in accidents and he said a similar thing. Cars are getting written off much easier

[@burnzy3210]

With insurance at £25,000 who is going to buy one at any price? They will literally become worthless.

[@eyesodd]

Does anyone really "buy" these cars that are £100k plus, they are mostly on finance.

[@ravensthorne4631]

I worked for Hastings Direct for a year, in their training dept, and one thing I learned is that it can be more expensive to insure some cars if you park them on your driveway than if you park them on the road. And it's exactly for this reason (thieves knowing which house to target to nick the car)

[@Crosshatch1212]

There stealing these cars without the keys ,

[@Robotron5000Deluxe]

​@@Crosshatch1212it's so they know which house to target with the signal booster equipment. If the Range Rover's parked on the drive the key's signal will be coming from that house.

[@Imw101]

It takes five seconds to disable keyless entry on a RR. Headlight Button x 3 Lock Button X 1

[@stevemumbling7720]

I lived in East London in the early 90s. I drove a 1986 Skoda Estelle because it was invisible to car thieves. It was bad then, but it sounds like it's orders of magnitude worse now. Even way back then I could see society in the UK deteriorating rapidly.

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

#metoo I inherited a Lada Samara. Apart from catching fire every now and again, it did the job.

[@NewWorldHoarder]

Likewise, I swapped an uninsurable XR2 for a 1.0 Mini City E. Still had the windows smashed for the stereo and my mum chased off two scrotes trying to break in with a screwdriver.

[@rjobrien7805]

Exactly. Staying below the radar is key. One can discreetly fly on a private jet or discreet sail on a nice boat but flashy cars and houses are just inviting trouble especially in tough times like now.

[@martj1313]

My first car was an Estelle, the throttle cable kept snapping so i drove it for a year with string out of the window as a throttle, then scrapped it.

[@derekporter66]

Debt lies corrupt . Filthy country

[@Flossy_tops]

I have a 2016 Diesel Evoque. I’m 70yrs old, full no claims, done 7k mileage in 18 months, and live in a low rate insurance post code. Last year my insurance was £330 fully comp, this year I’m being Quoted £560, and now the value of my car has dropped to just 7-8k. I sat there with my mouth open aghast … I did an insurance comparison, and only 1 other company came through at just £18 cheaper. All the rest were x2 and x3 times higher. Just what the hell is going on??

[@yeahokno]

Overcosted cars, cheaply made with overcosted parts when they need replacing. You have been conned by fashion over function.

[@jessicahitchens6926]

That's the whole plan. Taxed to death and get people out of cars fill them with fear etc. No insurance..Insurance is a complete con.

[@boogboog8097]

If you turned 70 that will up prices and people seem to think its all the ev claims costing insurers a fortune and they are clawing it back from everyone

[@stevenc5227]

When you reach 70 your insurance goes up as you are higher risk, there was a program on TV about it last week.

[@JohnHughes2002]

Just get a nineties Honda Civic. 😂

[@cliveprocter3698]

Its not just new(ish) Range Rovers. I'm from a farming/rural background. Over the previous 30 odd years practically everyone I know that run Defenders had them stolen, even when parked in locked barns down long drive ways in the middle of nowhere.

[@johnwade1095]

Likewise.

[@MrChelseaboy78]

In all fairness an old defender could be opened and started with a screwdriver ,but jokes aside sadly rural areas are always a target thieves due to the lack of police

[@cliveprocter3698]

agree but the more recent 'thefts' in the last few years have been from Defenders fitted with locks, immobolizers, trackers and other security devices. All this has meant is that the theives wreck the vehicles trying to defeat or find the lock/immobolizer/tracker so if its not stolen gets left badly damaged@@MrChelseaboy78

[@lparky4409]

There are people who travel rural areas to check and would be able to use drones to spy on buildings.

[@brianjohnson5789]

Mike Brewer on stage at the Classic Motor Show a few weeks ago had a big pop at the police for doing nothing to address car theft crime, even when they are told where the stolen car is. I think he had a classic old Fiesta stolen, and to say he has been massively unimpressed with the police would be an understatement. BTW when he said that on stage he got a loud positive response from the entire audience, which indicates that other people feel the same.

[@Mike_Ockiner]

That's because there aren't enough officers to go around. Why should people get spat at, punched, kicked, and hurled verbal abuse at day and night for 24K a year? And then you get idiots like Brewer and idiots on social media slagging them off when not a single one of them has the balls to do the job. No I'm not a copper but two of my family members are. And if you sat and listened to what they have to deal with during a shift maybe you'd stop with the pathetic whining about a stolen car. Go spend a night with a copper on public order and see how you like it.

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

@@Mike_Ockiner maybe tell them to get off their arses and help people get their cars back, Derbyshire Police only went to retrieve my son's stolen bike because I called them, told them exactly where it was, and informed them that I was going over to a: retrieve the bike and b: collect some kneecaps. THEY DID IT TO PREVENT PUBLIC DISORDER, NOT TO SOLVE A THEFT.

[@gilleyb1900]

Motorcycles have been nicked to the point of a pandemic for the last 4 years plod has done nothing. Like you say even when they are told where they are. Its up to the owners to recover.

[@Mike_Ockiner]

@@BlokeOnAMotorbike As I said in a previous comment, go spend a few days on the beat and see how you feel. So you have a stolen motorcycle, a child being beaten by a parent, a stabbing in the town centre, three blokes with machetes roaming around, and one copper available. What are you going to prioritise? A bloody motorbike??? You probably think I'm exaggerating and maybe I am....but only very little. If you knew half of what went on you wouldn't leave your house. Your stupid threats could mean someone got stabbed rather than police presence possibly stopping it before it happened. You think your motorcycle being stolen is the only crime that happened that day??? My son is 21 years old and a copper. Last week he was alone facing three men with machetes. I don't care who you are, you would have backed down but it's his job and he had to stand firm and sort the problem out. He gets a lot of this shit and all for 24K a year!!! You go do it and until you do you have no room to judge. The coppers don't make the rules they're told what to do. I'm saying no more because people like you boil my piss.

[@sagalout]

@@gilleyb1900Depends on the force I guess. I’ve had a car and a motorbike stolen. West Yorkshire Police recovered both within a week and the thieves were convicted both times. Probably a little lucky, but they did their job

[@stephenbullimore2210]

Never been a fan of keyless entry. If LR dont sort this they will be done, but 90 cars a week in London with all those ANPR cameras, under the label of ULEZ, makes you wonder if its actively being ingnored by the MET. Great video. Think I will stick with my old 2010 Mazda.

[@johnmclean4911]

It's a simple solution to this problem just bring back old fashion keys and door locks.

[@berniecoles2337]

As soon as I bought my BMW 5 series F11 a few years ago, I had the keyless entry coded out. It’s not too much of an effort to press a button and peace of mind watching the it flash as it locks.

[@WayneGoss]

4 insurance companies refused to insure a Evoque for 60k. All said the same thing 'no way'. Managed to find one - just under 6k.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

£6,000 for insurance on an EVOQUE?! how new is the car? That is insane.

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

i have a suggestion for you to pay less for you car insurance are you ready here goes Get rid of your Evoke ! your welcome

[@GeoffBuysCars]

He's right you know ^ @@brandonfromlondonuk3484

[@HarryLime49]

@@GeoffBuysCars My son, new driver, got quoted £8000 for a 2008 VW Golf 1.4.

[@brianjohnson5789]

cannot be much more to just hire one permanently surely? let the hire car company insurance take the heat

[@marcos3ltrv6]

I bought a 'faraday cage' pouch which completely shields the key pulses. I've tested it and my 2013 RR Sport wont unlock with the key in the pouch. I also use a disc lock on the steering wheel and always turn the steering fully to the left before locking (Jeremy Clarkson tip to prevent being dragged onto a lorry)

[@bdeithrick]

Common sense is free.

[@artovnoyes8479]

I've done the same for my key and the spare as well.

[@marcos3ltrv6]

Yes, forgot to mention I bought one for the spare at the same time@@artovnoyes8479

[@FujiRoku]

You can cut the steering wheel and pop the lock off easily enough, so I'm told.

[@AndrewBishop1971]

Be careful because after a year or so some of the pouches are pretty much useless. I bought some from Amazon and after about 6 months i tested them and you can now open the car with the key in the pouch

[@lloyd.8272]

For less than £5 I fitted a hidden kill switch to My M2. I’ve had loads of people try and start the car with the key and look for it and all have failed.

[@lent7614]

Got the same thing on my 67 Land Rover Series 2. Fully comp insurance agreed value, less than £60 per year.

[@alanwllms5172]

​@Lookup2Wakeup try dropping the sun visor, the switch will just fall in to your hand😂😂😂

[@therealdojj]

There are so many videos explaining how easy they are to steal 🤦 As for the key thing, ford did the same thing about their keys where they upgraded them to stop sending the signal out after 40 seconds You should still keep your keys in a Faraday pouch regardless

[@hedydd2]

Yes, Ford will soon recall their Ranger trucks to provide new keys with the sleep feature and re-instate the keyless entry feature that has been disabled temporarily. Ford have their faults, but nowhere near those that JLR have. JLR couldn’t care less about backing their products up or about their customers generally. Having had five or six new JLR vehicles over the years, I truly believe that JLR take their customers as mugs to be fleeced.

[@pauljohnson9326]

My focus is on a 17 plate and as soon as I step out my car goes nuts about how there is no key detected. I have never tried giving the key to a mate then seeing how far I get though, may do now.

[@therealdojj]

@@pauljohnson9326 if the key is in my pocket and I get out of mine it starts screaming

[@pauljohnson9326]

@@therealdojj I think we both need to try to see how far we get without a key on us.

[@therealdojj]

@@pauljohnson9326 the car doesn't cut out, it just keeps on screaming But it won't start again without the key And we've got a Faraday pouch too

[@thedeadstig123]

The proper question should be is who is looking the other way, if 90 can get stolen in a week then someone has to notice where they are going be either ringed, broken or more than likely straight into a container for export

[@PribPrib]

A lot of them are used as "dingers" - sold quickly to a gangs for a few thousand pounds in cash and used to commit crime. Range rovers are fast, luxurious cars that can comfortably fit 5 people and lots of equipment, stolen goods or narcotics.

[@NotJanine777]

The issue of someone breaking into your house to take the keys is a very real worry, especially if you have young kids, etc. If someone breaks in to the wrong house this is going to get messy…

[@wearetheremnants1615]

This is why 🔫 are helpful and why we need the law changed

[@rjobrien7805]

They've been breaking into the house to get the keys for years. Just drive a boring car and sleep at night. lol

[@eyesodd]

You are completely missing the issue, they DON'T need to break in and take the keys anymore. They do it from the driveway with a laptop/scanner, progress huh.

[@davidedwards1786]

@@eyesoddcan pantom, ghost immobiliser, steel Bollards , steering locks, petal locks are all a wonderful thing and deterrent 👍

[@eyesodd]

@@davidedwards1786 They are, I'd rather just have an old shed that no one wants to steal in the first place. If it gets me from A-B, that's all I need.

[@mrwhite292]

My girlfriends insurance has gone up 55%, full no claims on a VW up! All being done on purpose.

[@markbray2988]

I saw Richard's excellent video on RR values/thefts and whilst being completely shocking it gave me a warm smug feeling, being a life long RR hater. I've still subbed because he deserves more support.

[@BionicRusty]

He’s got more fight than me. After owning and loving a number of JLR cars, and after my final dealing with jaguar on my scrapped XF, bought from them, serviced by them and scrapped to them, I have nothing but utter contempt for the JLR brand. They are a rubbish company with products not fit for purpose. And recent weeks are proving how mercenary they are wrt customer service.

[@stevezodiac491]

A similar thing happened to me in the 80's. I had a red Renault 5 GTTurbo. Had to sell it because theft caused the insurance to go through the roof, as happened with all hot hatches then.

[@stevezodiac491]

​@Lookup2Wakeupsad !

[@eblevinda]

Range rovers are going the way of the cosworths, if you insure one it'll get nicked, insurance companies are starting to run away from them. I know 😃

[@pavlovssheep5548]

the 4x4 from the ULEZ scrappage scheme have been turning up in interesting places around the world

[@bentullett6068]

Apparently written off broken Tesla's from America have been found in Ukraine and other parts of the world.

[@garethneill6888]

When I heard about the problem with keyless entry & start with cars being stolen that was a red warning light from me to stay away from them altogether. This was many years ago and I have kept my current car many years after I would have normally changed as a result.

[@adrianbarnett9081]

I switched my keyless entry off, very easy to do, also move keys away from front door and in a wallet blocking the signal. Unfortunately paying ridiculous insurance rate.

[@tokyo1469]

I have keyless go… I simply bought a key pouch…..They work, if you press the button from inside the pouch nothing transmits to the car. This issue with keyless has been around for many many years. I know this doesn’t address the madness of this insurance problem, but the pouch works like a dream.

[@wayland7150]

Who could possibly have thought that radio based car keys could make the car easier to steal?

[@G4RY1159]

BULLSEYE

[@samahdi6972]

When you consider the amount of camera's everywhere, including house camera's, a burglar or someone stealing a car would be on film from beginning to end, so it says a lot about the Agenda in play.

[@jessicahitchens6926]

Everyone is spying and monitoring each other..

[@David8n]

It doesn't matter; the police aren't interested. They'll just give you a crime number. The police just police the law abiding these days.

[@alihenderson5910]

​@@jessicahitchens6926People who are prepared to 'sacrifice liberty for security, end up with neither', said someone, somewhere, sometime.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

nobody cares a balaclava is £1.99 on eBay

[@Equiluxe1]

I know someone who had a lorry stolen and the security footage at night was so poor he could not read his own number plate.

[@NewWorldHoarder]

This is nothing new, I was burnt by the ‘joyriding craze’ in the early nineties. I had a three year old XR2 which I’d paid £5000 for and £340 to insure. The following year I was quoted £1250 to insure it and it was then valued at £1200 as the market for any hot hatch had collapsed due to insurance hikes. I ended up swapping it for a six year old Mini City E 998cc which was £200 fully comp. 🤷‍♂️

[@Tarten21]

Ye my mates Fiesta key would unlock another mates RS Turbo and the RS Turbo key would start the Fiesta LMAO cant beat back in the day.

[@alxgu198]

Car technology was about right 20 years ago. Anything since is either pointless, useless, or plain stupid 🤷. My needs are ICE, manual gearbox, a steering wheel (no yoke 🤭), 3 pedals, actual knobs and switches. Not even that bothered about a radio or leccy windows. Some would say I’m a simple man 😅

[@RestorationBiker]

Brilliant, you and me both

[@givman2004]

They dont get driven to the docks as you cant drive in the docks. They go to a garage and get put into containers. 3 full ones and 3 front clips jammed in. That gets trucked to the docks. Very few get stop checked and searched. Once in the docks its loaded and off. Sure its something like

[@telx2010]

So true, they only really care about taxing what comes into the country.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

But its so simple, DISABLE the Comfort Access, JLR Dealerships should do it for free and issue a certificate. There is nothing wrong with a remote FOB! better than not being able to insure it!

[@jo_clarke1960]

Great vid, a proper informed, rational and considered discussion. This is what more of is needed. I remember the Cossie problems, was about the Tim I got rid of my modded Ford too As for having an electric car, no chance. I get range anxiety on my mobile, I be so stressed with a vehicle the meds would mean I couldn't drive anyway!

[@Rapscallion2009]

Another aspect to this is that a lot of these cars were probably bought on finance. You could be seriously under water on that if your 60 grand car drops to 30k over night when you still owe 50k on it. Especially if you have to offload it because the insurance is silly money now. That would be quite galling.

[@dunmail7744]

All fashion cars are rented.

[@maniash]

😊😊

[@chasevans7171]

My mate had his range rover stolen last year, his home CCTV recorded the whole thing. Two blokes one laptop, two minutes and gone. They got the key signal by standing on the driveway below his bedroom window while he was asleep. About 6 weeks later he saw his steering wheel on ebay, recognised it by the tiny white paint smudge he hadn't had a chance to clean off. Messaged seller pretending to be a local buyer and could he collect? (200 miles away from where it went missing) Forwarded the sellers details and address to the police. Apparently they went round and the seller denied everything. A few weeks after that, my mate had bought another range rover to replace the stolen one, and tried to buy the pop out side steps off his old one as they were still listed on ebay. The seller blocked him.....

[@banjia22]

The keyless theft also happens to the Lexus RX (2018 -2022) models. Mine was stolen from my driveway in June of this year. So it not only Range Rovers affected by this problem.

[@neutralcorner5950]

Take it will be the front wheel arch, tapping into the headlight loom. Again Lexus should be doing a recall modification!

[@alanw8311]

The same issue exists when attempting to insure your home in a "flood risk" area. Insurance companies are very risk averse to such an extent now that "coverage" in many sectors is being put under the microscope.

[@jessicahitchens6926]

That's the agenda. .its to move people off land and shove them in the bee hives= "Smart cities".

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

I can't get flood insurance :(

[@alanw8311]

That must be a very worrying situation to be in and far worse than the problems faced by Range Rover owners .

[@owengrove5089]

These insurance companies have their own private flood risk maps with hundreds of thousands of £ invested into complex modelling that goes beyond anything available to the public.

[@tee_m]

Saw a Range Rover being chased by police on the M60 (Manchester) yesterday! They dipped off at a junction and then I watched the police go straight on unfortunately. Relay attack is so easy.

[@stevensarson482]

I bet it was somewhere north of Stockport :South of Oldham . I think it’s a training ground and that all the idiots are on the payroll. It doesn’t need policing it needs the RAF .

[@tee_m]

@@stevensarson482 nah, was up near simister island.

[@stevensarson482]

@@tee_m I stand corrected . Know it well .

[@leslieburridge2087]

Hi great video Just hitting on SUV and high end car insurance. I have just received my renewal insurance and it has gone up by £500 without any explanation. I am 70 no claims no issues and 4000 K miles (BMW X6M 3.0D) thank Hastings Direct 🤬

[@RichieRouge206]

I've just subscribed to Richard's channel. Range Rover have absolutely shot themselvese in the foot. JLR appear to be on a self-destruct course with their flagrant disregard towards customers over the flooded cars and now their dismissal over these thefts. Wow.

[@timbo19751975]

It's been more than that - constant poor reliability inndemic throughout the model range and arrogant dealers with almost zero interest in looking after their customers. What has gone around, looks like it could be coming around.

[@isaiah12v2]

As one of the customers so arrogantly disregarded when my car was flooded at Inchape, I can only hope karma bites them at some time.

[@P6UL_K]

Awesome video Geoff, I’m not at L322 status yet although I do fancy a 4.4 V8 at somepoint… I currently own a RR 2.5TD P38, it’s 23yrs old and is probably the last of the ‘agricultural’ RR’s before they went all fancy-pants. I have my insurance with Adrian Flux, have done for a while and I have my small fleet all insured with them, so the P38 ins was up for renewal in early summer at a cost of around £600 fully comp but due to me using other vehicles I just took this one off the road for awhile as I didn’t really need it. Come the end of autumn a few months later I rang my insurer to reinsure the P38 and to my surprise I had to downgrade the policy from fully comp to TPF&T as quotes were coming in at nearly £1800-£2000 fully comp! 3x what I was quoted only 3 or so months earlier! Managed to get it just shy of £1000 but as I say that is now on a TPF&T policy. When I asked why there was such an increase in the policy, I was told it was down to the fact that so many land rovers were being stolen! I did ask why they were tarring all Land Rover products with the same brush, as I explained no twit with a laptop is going to be nicking my Range Rover at any time soon! That thing will need lifting with a hiab as it’s so old 😂 So it seems no matter what age of Land Rover product you have, everyone’s policy is absolutely going crazy at the moment and it does seem slightly unfair that we are all being tarnished.

[@paulnewman9275]

I purposely choose my car variant one down from the top model to avoid keyless ignition - I use a key ,how hard can it be :)))

[@johnwade1095]

Dude, keys are so 20th century. 9k a year is a small price to pay for latest thing!

[@paulnewman9275]

@@johnwade1095 Ha ha , well I'm stuck in the past I guess 😀

[@EverydayLife621]

Back in the early ‘90s you couldn’t get insurance on XR2 / XR3 / XR4/ cosworth . We were given 2 x RS 2000i escorts , from FMC. We were not allowed to work on them, so around 10yrs ago we scrapped them (with less than 500 miles on clock)

[@bdeithrick]

There has always been G.T.i’s

[@benjibradshaw69]

28:43 I’ve been running an EV for a year, covering 16k miles. The range is meant to be 280. It’s never seen anywhere near it, no matter which season. Best it’s ever seen is 229 in the summer and generally hovers around 185 thought winter. Remember this is based on using 100% of the battery and not the recommended 20/80% by the manufacturer for battery preservation. I wouldn’t have another, even if it was a Taycan.

[@stephenbirchall941]

That's odd. My EV real world range most of the year is over 300 miles.

[@MrOzphoto]

Here in Canada my insurance provider actually paid for a anti theft system called Tag as my Honda CRV was one of the top stolen vehicles here in Ontario. The thefts here are off the charts with Range and Land Rovers part of the list. Dodge Ram Pickups, Lexus etc. They sent letters around to the most stolen vehicles offering to pay for TAG and Etching. The cost to them was approx $400 CDN dollars. Desjardin was my insurer and I jumped at this chance to have this done. Also you don;t get this work done your rates will go up!

[@totalutternutter]

I remember back in the early 90's when market conditions meant you could buy a decent condition Jaguar xj6 for £50 but no one wanted them because most people could only afford to drive a Nisan micra.

[@gordonswift8268]

I’m not a car guy but love your channel when you just taken about the main injustices going on etc. One of my customers told me that recently 20 Range Rovers have been stolen in 3 months in an area called Thorpe Bay (rich people).

[@jontownsend8090]

When there was a vehicle theft epidemic back in the early 90's, the industry upped their game on security. 30 plus years down the line, we are back to square one, it seems nothing has been learned from history.

[@bridgeovertroubledwater6716]

I have a heavy steel pedal lock and cover which is a bit of a pain to put on but impossible to get off without the key and prevents anyone driving it away.

[@klausschwab9507]

If you have keyless entry it's best to keep the key in a metal box or a Faraday bag so they can't boost the signal. On the salvage rebuilds uk channel they had a range rover the transponder is easy to get to and the board for the keyless entry can be reprogrammed with a laptop

[@achauhan1978]

I had ordered a new Range Rover Sport P440e and been on order for over a year. I only cancelled it last week due to the insurance costs. Best price I could get is £5k with 12 years NCD, no accidents, garage, LE area. Such a shame but I’m not paying that much for insurance…..

[@achauhan1978]

Also, I noticed that JLR have relaunched their own insurance again and thought great, I’ll get a better price but actually got quoted £6k instead 🤷

[@CTR_1986]

I got an email from a local lease company and to show the desperation of how badly they must be trying to shift EV’s, it was a business deal for a Mercedes E-Vito, £1000 deposit and £94+VAT a month. Not sure could even lease a car privately for less. Oh and the range is terrible think it suggested in their own words 86 miles

[@richardbutler4488]

Sounds like a Del Boy 👦 Deal, don’t pull the trigger on it 🫡 play it cool 😎 probably better EV deals on the way after the actuarial guru’s have a look at the EV Fires 🔥 recently and that runaway car 🚘 in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@telx2010]

@@richardbutler4488 I'd rather have a model T Ford.

[@richardbutler4488]

@@telx2010if anyone has a model T knocking around lend it to Geoff ❤ and get Lee to race it against his yoke 😂

[@mdshovel]

They should do what Volvo does. The car doesn't look for a key until your hand slides in the handle. Then, the Key Fob has a G-Sensor that only wakes the key up when moved. When you put it down, the Fob goes to sleep and cannot be woken with a signal.

[@chromiumphotography5138]

A very Swedish solution. Land Rover used to be run by cowboys, now it is run by Indians. Hard to figure out which is worse.

[@onetone4561]

What's this a car with a G spot 😅😅

[@nev7711]

That was a brilliant podcast. To think that it was two blokes chatting about their concerns and appreciation of cars and associated topics. Some interesting issues discussed. I now understand why I don't engage with any mainstream media content.

[@DanSmithBK]

In fairness, I drive an Evoque coupe without keyless entry, and once I mentioned that, my insurer gave me a reasonable £330 fully comp. Maybe it’s worth just having the keyless module removed, to disable that function? I’m sure it could be coded out easily if JLR allowed it.

[@Crazy_Dave]

You've just saved me from trading in my EV for a Range Rover. Thank you.

[@marks7471]

I shudder to think how much we've paid in insurance over the years. Our family health insurance is 1300€ per month here in Germany and we must have it being self employed. I can add up in a few minutes the very small claims that we've made. Insurance is a big scam.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

I do feel sorry for you - after paying ££££££££££ back in the early 90's for home insurance I woke up a few years later - and realised its all about FEAR. Fear and Karma. I've not had home insurance - health or travel insurance (apart from one trip to the crazy US) for around 20 years now - but enjoy nice holidays

[@willardr100]

My Range Rover P400e Autobiography MY2020 cost £120k new (before discount) and is now worth £50k 4 years later. I was laying £1000 a year in London, no driveway, zone 3, full no claims etc. It went to £1700 then just recently went to £3500 on renewal. I’m considering going 3rd party only on renewal later this year which may help. I keep my new Ranger Rovers for 10 years before changing, this insurance issue risks breaking my car purchase strategy (buy high spec, enjoy for a long time)

[@ianchalklen1047]

Be it car theft, burglary or shoplifting, there seems to be very little interest in the police or criminal justice system addressing crimes. Given how expensive these cars are the technology protecting them is woeful.

[@trickydicky90]

The increase in insurnace is partly to do with more theafs but more to do with how claims are taken care off. Most claims that are 100% winnable are given to a credit agent who takes care of the whole proveww. and it now transpires the courtesy cars provided are on an extorionate rate, meanwhile the repair centre puts your car on a ramp for 3 to 4 weeks awaiting parts while the hire car racks up £350 a day. The end result a £2000 bumper repair ends up as a £8000 claims. The company in question is Auxillis. This has had a huge impact on preiums in recent years more so than anything else, covid, supply chain, inflation, paint and parts blah blah.

[@jessicahitchens6926]

Black spots insurance areas are test cases. You'll see it on property as well in the next few years.

[@BionicRusty]

I watched the video this morning and think that JLR are seriously damaging the RR brand, if that could be any worse, btw! People won’t think, ‘Oh, we’ll avoid particular years of RR’s.’, they’ll think, ‘Oh, we’ll avoid full stop.’ This is likely to cause the demise of the brand.

[@johnuk5160]

The police ain't got time to tackle car crime, there too busy falsely arresting AB Yardley Ski etc. etc. or anyone with a phone or camera outside a " sensitive " site, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@privatetravelpa6525]

Thank you. I didn’t know why NFU told me they wouldn’t be interested to insure at all - now I do. I was actually looking at the older 2nd hand market 2010 to 2014 which are already a great deal but this will presumably wipe out any remaining value

[@JosephPalmerT5D5]

Geoff, the one thing you didn't cover enough is..... the misgivings of our police force in Protecting the public's property. Why do we pay our taxes? Are the police reacting to this crime wave? Get a response from the MET? What's the recovery rate for these stolen vehicles?

[@anthonyprice5596]

Looked at a Range Rover, looked at a Land cruiser, it dosen't have the CHAV cudos but the land cruiser is RELIABLE, why do people buy Range Rovers?

[@tonyorourke5066]

This is a start. The powers that be will price us off the road. It’s started subtly with low speed limits, Ulez zones and cameras. Next is rocket insurance prices. Then high fuel prices. It’s going to come.

[@chromiumphotography5138]

Along with N Korean style required obedience.

[@steffenmoss7119]

Where do all these cars go?? Problem with van brake ins too and the tools being nicked 😢

[@davidmitchell4089]

All this electronic key and keyless entry nonsense has made these new cars very easy to steal. You can't beat an old Ford with an old style key and a stoplok. Job done.

[@syracuseephelump9995]

I had an Old Ford, could open the boot with a 2p piece. Made my own alarm with 3relays and a key switch.

[@declanbrady5172]

Old fords were easy to nick. Ford fiestas and escorts were the car of choice as the locks could be screwed and hot wired by kids

[@Silver3ides]

Ford had the key stuck in fuel cap problem back in the day .. Me dad had it on an Orion back in the day .

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

mechanical deadlocks for the win. I will not own a vehicle with central locking or keyless entry/start.

[@pauldow72]

thanks for the reminder - must get a steering wheel lock for my new car.

[@davesastar]

My policy doubled this year. 2015 discovery. Not even a very desirable car. I’ve disabled keyless entry but the insurance company won’t drop the policy price.

[@stevezodiac491]

I can't understand car theives. A little while ago, three hooded men came and stole our neighbour's Volkswagen golf R, by jumping over their fence, breaking into their kitchen extension patio doors, then stealing his car keys off the kitchen table and away they went. We had it all on CCTV and gave the footage to the police on request. Evidentally they were from West Yorkshire according to the police. The most utterly bizarre thing about the whole event, was that they made absolutely no attempt, whatsoever, to steal our Nissan Leaf, bizarre ?

[@oceandrive7283]

Golf R or NIssan Leaf?? 😂

[@stevezodiac491]

and some fell on stony ground.

[@chromiumphotography5138]

No street cred in the BD postcodes, sorry.😂

[@gadjetsvideo]

I have a 2020 tiguan with keyless entry and VW implement a function to lock the car and disable keyless entry at the same time, I do this every time I park up for the night.

[@alistaircross5728]

you should build your own top gear team, seeing as the jobs vacant!

[@G4RY1159]

The Public liability insurance might be tricky now

[@nickwoolley733]

Why not simply disable Keyless Entry via the keyfob? However probably wouldn't convince the insurers. Is comprehensive insurance excluding theft available at a more reasonable cost?

[@barriewilliams4526]

The police will be too busy with wrong thinkers, and people from the far-right to be worried about car theft. All car insurance has gone up considerably, and if you are a pensioner (like me) and live in a village where there is no public transport, (like me) what choice do you have but to pay up, otherwise, you ain't going anywhere. What with ULEZ, 20 MPH zones and the cost of motoring these days, I can see a lot of people driving around with no insurance, and dodgy plates🤔

[@abc33944]

I imported a 2020 Toyota Camry hybrid TRD From Japan to the U.K. in 2021 although it’s not as premium as a RR I have to say it’s an amazing underrated motor I’ll be doing a video on it soon !!

[@Ricardoteh345rd]

This is why I drive old cars because no complicated tech or other gumf. It's got a key it does what it says on the tin. I certainly can find something else to spend 60k on than a a naff rangerover.

[@RestorationBiker]

Everybody should buy older stuff. But they are all worried sick about how it would make them look 'poor' Goons!

[@willardr100]

There would not be ‘older stuff’ for the wise if there were not daft goons like me buying new stuff previously.

[@jeremywentworth1833]

I attend Aston Barclay and Manheim Leeds & Wakefield regularly and I've seen RR sports either not making reserve , only the other week a 15plate with 85,000 went for £13,000 can't remember what model other than it was diesel trade price must be minimum £15grand retail £18,500/£19000 but that was maybe 4 weeks ago.

[@1gerard47]

Another question, who is going to buy them 2nd hand?

[@hobstherotti]

Shipped out of the country.

[@S1Rossco]

Superb video Geoff 👍. Just did an insurance quote on a 2019 Range Rover Sport and it was....... £1300. Maybe it needs to be a newer vehicle for the intergalactic prices.

[@oneeleven9832]

Phones have for years either been finger print or lately face recognition..cant be that hard to do it on cars (without that info going back to the Borg collective as well)

[@rogerevans9564]

22 plate RR Sports have dropped 10k on CAP since May. I have >10 of them in my business. My customers are all paying north of 6k insurance even with full aftermarket immobilisers which have prevented thefts just fine. 😢😢😢

[@lestersmyth692]

Let’s be honest it’s not just Land Rover who has this problem is it? but it’s the brand that seems to get aired most on U Tube or other media outlets as it’s good for ratings. I’m sure more coverage will only worsen the suffering…….be good to see other brands affected discussed too 👍

[@khalidhafeez4520]

Is it not the case if you hut the lock button twice that the keyless signal is inoperative ?

[@zipazzz]

I like how i bought a cheap Range Rover sport 2 weeks ago and all this now :D

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Stoplock, pedal lock, car cover, barbed wire, flame thrower.

[@keithavian8129]

​@@GeoffBuysCarsand a guard dog on the inside just incase

[@telx2010]

@@keithavian8129 They'll just take the dag too.🤣🤣

[@hedydd2]

Ford [and VW Amarok] Ranger has the same issue but Ford sorted it straight away by simply disabling all keyless entry in the vehicle’s firmware. The key remote still works by pressing the buttons. Ford promised that they will provide modified keys quite soon that go to sleep after five minutes of inactivity, so will not be hackable in the way that JLR are and Ranger was when initially launched earlier this year. Ford recognised the issue early on but could not source the necessary chips for the keys, so did the next best thing short term, which was to disable the keyless entry feature to protect customer’s property and low insurance premiums. So 10/10 to Ford and 0/10, as usual, for JLR.

[@marktownsend9333]

Car auctions are full of them reliability is also a massive issue plus easy to steal

[@craigwatters127]

Just seen Quentin Wilson on GB news with Jacob. Bloody brilliant, Moggy put rings around him! Well worth a watch.

[@shauncorless8965]

80 a day stolen in London alone ,,, thief's are driving around looking for them in carparks hospital,s and shopping centres ,,,😮

[@dimd00d]

Key replication is not even the only problem. My RRS was stolen via the rearview camera CAN bus (which I have on security camera footage) - took them about 10 minutes to get in and get out with the car.

[@TheBendalina]

For a £100 you can get a pedal lock. It’s a pain to fit and remove but would need a grinder to remove over a couple of mins Would slow down the scum bags

[@jamesp.1784]

This has been a massive problem for years, and I can't believe it hasn't been solved. They are transported to rural areas like Lincolnshire, for example, where farmers will happily rent out a remote building for cash. There are a lot of typically Eastern European visitors who will work cash in hand. Your bright shiny new wheels will be stripped down within about 5 or 6 hours. The worthwhile parts will be packed for shipment, and the shell will be cut up and taken to a scrap yard. You would be amazed just how quick this is done. If it is an option, DO NOT HAVE KEYLESS ENTRY!!

[@RichieRouge206]

I am so glad I still have one of those old fashioned remote locking keys 😂

[@julianlong]

Couple of points. I had a ghost fitted and I’m convinced it screwed with the tech in the car in particular the ICE - continual errors. 2nd - Very simple process for the owner to disable keyless go on the vehicle completely, also how many double lock their vehicle from the remote or even know that’s a thing?

[@prawnk1ng]

Why does anyone in London even need a Range Rover ?

[@industrialmonk]

I have had my old ford for 31 years & if parked outside my house it never been insured. Insured every were else but not at home? But I think the MacMaster might possibly appreciate it? But it's great surviving in Mankchester.

[@chrisaris8756]

Thanks Geoff. Very interesting. Good to see the police are working hard to prevent this. But, I have heard about this happening and though it doesn’t seem as big a problem with Jaguar, I keep my keys in a drawer near the front door. So I have started keeping them in a small stout metal box that will ( hopefully) keep the signal from being intercepted. Wonder if anyone has come across a company who is marketing shielding boxes for car keys. Maybe a business opportunity!!!

[@bordersw1239]

They’re everywhere already £13 from Amazon.

[@chipmonk12]

And less on eBay 🤔👍

[@adedavison762]

Next stop Dragons Den🤔🫣

[@Nenah1976]

Faraday cage on Amazon for £15 just bought one to keep my RRS p400e 21 plate keys... I live in north Scotland with car off the road, but won't risk it. Was shocked at some insurance quotes and many refused to cover for theft, fire & keys ... Now understand why. Insurance cost £1.6K this year 😮