What is Melodic Thrash Metal?

[@whatsinameme5258]

I know I didn't really talk about the "meaning behind the genre" like I usually do, but if you want to know, it's pretty much what I said in my Metallica video. And yes, Melodic Thrash is an S Tier genre. Songs used: >Master of Puppets, Battery, Welcome Home (Sanitarium), Sad but True, and Seek and Destroy by Metallica. >Exodus by Exodus. >Never Walk Alone (A Call to Arms), Holy Wars... The Punishment Due, and Skin O' My Teeth by Megadeth. >Be All, End All by Anthrax. >Black Magic and Blood Red by Slayer. >Souls of Black and So Many Lies by Testament. >Pleasure to Kill and World War Now by Kreator. >Strange Deception by Holy Moses. >Constant Motion and In the Name of God by Dream Theater. >Dead Heart in a Dead World by Nevermore. >Tears Don't Fall and Scream Aim Fire by Bullet For My Valentine. >Down From the Sky by Trivium. >Last Breath by Lazarus AD. >Redemption by Shadows Fall. >Beautiful Mourning, Locust, Ghosts Will Haunt My Bones, Sail Into the Black, and Game Over by Machine Head. >Unholy Confessions, Almost Easy, and Nightmare by Avenged Sevenfold. >Death to All but Metal by Steel Panther. >Shockwave and Warriors of Time by Black Tide. >Hallowed be Thy Name by Iron Maiden. >Falling Asleep by Death Angel. >Dystopia by Iced Earth. >Elimination by Overkill. >Who's to Blame by Sacred Reich. >Into the Black by Generation Kill. >Instruments of Random Murder by Watchtower. >.44 Caliber Brain Surgery by Demolition Hammer.

[@JosiahHaynes95]

Shoutout to Melodic Thrash Metal, gotta be one of my favorite genders

[@CompulsoryOfficial]

Genders

[@RayStratos4489]

Genders

[@MaxTV_CCm12]

Genders

[@OverdadeiroIkarus]

Great to see you talking about metal again!

[@J.H7950]

Same. Not that the non metal videos were bad or anything.

[@CBT5777]

As Lemmy said: "Its all just rock n roll"

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

And what I always dislike. By this logic you can just say: "it is all blues".

[@CBT5777]

@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 Yes, I would agree for the most part, but Van Halen is not the blues.

[@skylacken]

Thrash was influenced by classic heavy metal of late 70s and punk, so I feel there's two thrash metals out there: 1)Thrash that's basically punk, but using tropes found in heavy metal riffing and song structure. The Municipal Waste type that often likes to use toxic green in their album artworks 2)Thrash that's basically heavy metal but using punky influences to increase the aggression and energy Thrash is kaindava spectrum

[@rajadacosmica3308]

"The only one missing now is a thrash equivalent to slam metal" Uncle Slam - Weirdo Man Ripping Corpse - Rift Of Hate

[@Sean-Ax]

That Ripping Corpse song is amazing; thank you for introducing me to that band.

[@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245]

Thrash: when you want to play hardcore punk but you’re really good at your instrument

[@whatsinameme5258]

True

[@leafyisnthere9396]

My favorite thrash

[@terriblecertainity]

for melodic/technical Thrash, I absolutely recommend Artillery-By Inheritance and Defiance-Beyond Recognition

[@colecarstarphen8743]

You should do a dsbm video either this april or may because those months statisticly have the most suicides. Make sure to mention the following bands: forgotten tomb, shining, bethlehem, strid, lifelover, psychought 4, apati, totalselfhatred, decalius, scilencer, leviathan, xathur, and end... (guy did the S part of dsb, thy light, trist, happy days, anti, make a change...kys, sadness, and many more i can't remember right now. Also point out how the dsbm decagon with the 10 axis representing high-fi, lofi, angry, sad, trve black, soft rock, tragedy, poverty, and disturbing factor. ( do it like the jojo stand stats wheel)

[@theinversion4269]

gay

[@VARVIS_]

Glad to see United Abominations getting some love That album is great

[@whatsinameme5258]

In my top 3 for Megadeth.

[@cecillianhater]

metal n roll will be a thing

[@mightymcloven3321]

Makes sense, I don't like pure death metal but I like melodeath. Think I just like "heavy melody" (term I just came up with, so ®™) as opposed to pure metal genres. Also explains why a lot of my favorite bands were showcased in this video, A7X being number 1. I think the melody aspect adds more substance and a level of accessibility for normies to get into metal.

[@DariusPeters-t1z]

RETURN OF THE KING

[@TheJohnnee]

Melodic thrash isn't generally considered a genre, but there is a line between Megadeth and Slayer in terms of melody and extremism. It is definitely on a spectrum, though. So it's not the most defined metal genre.

[@candideggplant1575]

Some were more punk, some were more metal, some were more melodic and embraced more mainstream appeal while others were more extreme and edgy. I think we all know which are which.

[@claudiaborges8406]

Machine Head! Whatever mix of genres their albums are, they have some of my top favorite songs. I absolutely love bands that are both Melodic *and* sorta Groove, and you’ll find that mostly in thrash but I kinda lean towards death metal and metalcore in technique and construction… hence why I like Trivium and Orbit Culture, for example. Lotta bands mentioned here that I like, so it’s a sign that I should keep this video in mind

[@whatsinameme5258]

I really like those 3 Machine Head albums I mentioned in the video. A shame that their vocalist has an ego and made utter cringe with the 2 records afterwards, but I do come back to those 3 albums still. I wish there were more bands with that sound that still made good music.

[@claudiaborges8406]

@ I disagree about their other albums but yea sometimes the sound is so unique that you won’t find it from any other band or time.

[@StonyBlazestation]

Prog as a genre means something different than the act of actually progressing. Metallica was very progressive on their first five albums. They stayed ahead of the curve and kept making new and interesting evolutions on the core thrash idea with each album. I like videos that make me reflect on things, even if it is something as mundane as a genre label. Great video as usual.

[@Krzztl]

Black Tide is the single greatest tragedy in the history of metalcore. They were so promising and had a great debut album, Light of Above. People called them “the new Metallica”. Then their second record came out, Post Mortem, which was a huge upgrade having a lot more of a metalcore sound even diving a little bit into emo territory. This album was so good that their song Honest Eyes even made its way into the intro sequence of Street Fighter X Tekken, which is easily one of the best crossover fighting games of all time. They were BIG and then in 2013 they came out with their EP Bite the Bullet, with a lot more of a generic sound, more Asking Alexandria adjacent than their old title of “the new Metallica”. And then in 2015 they released Chasing Shadows, their last album to date, with none of what made them great and original in their big years

[@chrisrambi6051]

I always considered early Kreator Brutal Thrash Metal, they really barely sidestepped the death metal sound

[@nukkleargarlicbread]

We got a "melodic thrash metal" video before metalpunk even getting acknowledged as a genre 😭

[@cecillianhater]

what like motorhead or something

[@nukkleargarlicbread]

@@cecillianhater Eh. Yes and no. From what I've come to understand, metalpunk is essentially speed metal + crust punk (and depending on the band, + black metal). A good example would be G.I.S.M. Particularly on their debut album Detestation.

[@cecillianhater]

@nukkleargarlicbread that was certainly an interesting listen

[@cecillianhater]

@nukkleargarlicbread definitely a genre though

[@candideggplant1575]

So crossover, metalcore, new york hardcore, and d beat? There are already genres that blend elements of punk and metal.

[@primordialserpent1763]

I largely agree with the whole video but particularly with the ending segment about how Thrash has very few widely used subgenres (with the exception of tech thrash and crossover) compared to other genres of metal and instead everything from Metallica to Demolition Hammer just gets called thrash. Another subgenre of thrash that I'd suggest is brutal thrash metal. This is thrash metal which has a significant death metal element to it's sound but still remains under the thrash umbrella instead of the death metal one. When compared to regular thrash it generally has harsher vocals, more aggressive and relentless drumming and the guitars generally use more tremolo picking and the solos have more of that death metal feel to them and less shredding. The lyrics also tend to focus more so on satanic imagery and gore rather than politics and partying. Some more well known bands I'd include in this would be Demolition Hammer, Morbid Saint, Haunting the Chapel to Reign in Blood era Slayer, Schizophernia to Arise era Sepultura and Pleasure to Kill era Kreator

[@rustymetalhead7714]

I love Sacred Reich`s "Who`s to Blame", great video as always!

[@statiic_hydra8678]

Wow, I’ll have to listen to Testament once I’m back to listening to new music (long story). Also, that Iced Earth track sounded shocking just like Megadeth lol

[@s-boy4613]

Huh. A very convenient video considering I was hoping to get more into Thrash. Very neat vid.

[@ThurFallen]

My favorite genre with Melodeath and Melodic Groove Metal(Pantera until VDOP + RTS and Machine Head)

[@paulwhite1109]

I agree with this and never thought of it before. This is what I like best too. I've always thought that I like some thrash more than others but that's because I like Melodic Thrash best. I like some other thrash too but in general not so much.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

There is Black'n'roll and Death'n'roll. Why not Thrash'n'roll?

[@Kroshbur]

I mean, it exists, but isn't talked about. Similar to grind n roll

[@totallynotdown3982]

Will you talk about punk genres as well?

[@Wildchild4ever]

Melodic Thrash Metal doesn't exist because Thrash Metal itself is made up of fragments of "Power Chord" traditional Heavy Metal + "The speed"of Speed ​​​​Metal + "The melody" of Power Metal + the rawness of Punk and angry and furious/madness vocals, although they have never been characterized by having a perfect voice like heavy or power metal has. You will always find melody in any thrash metal songs, which is why your video is understood as something like "Melodic Melodic Thrash Metal", or "Melodic Melodic Metalcore". Neoclassical Thrash Metal doesn't exist either, just because it has solos/arpeggios inspired by classical music doesn't mean that Coroner/Warbringer/Exmortus is a band from a musical subgenre that is not consolidated/doesn't exist. There's a reason why Tech Thrash Metal, or Prog Thrash Metal exists because they are built through complex riff/melodies to play.

[@psychosis8429]

Not sure if it fits but the band Anterior seem like they would be considered a melodic thrash metal band. They never really went anywhere and only made 2 albums but they were one of my favorites in my high school years. They are super underrated

[@MegaMicah12]

That ending part could mean Groove is Thrash...oh crud, hot topic city has just opened up haha.

[@andreaseverin1346]

Groove is 100% a child genre of thrash. It comes from Pantera and Exhorder who started with basically thrash bands with slower, groovier passages (excluding Glamtera ofc) and got slower over time

[@whatsinameme5258]

@@andreaseverin1346 Don't forget Prong's Beg to Differ. Thrash/Groove album that predates BOTH Cowboys From Hell and Slaughter in the Vatican. Amazing how many miss this in the Pantera vs Exhorder debate.

[@rottingsludgec4]

i think megadeth’s ashes in your mouth is also a perfect example of melothrash

[@vex3r732]

Very nice video, thank you for showing me some new music!

[@eliel14ful]

Thanks now I know more about the music I like, I would also argue melodic thrash metal is the perfect introduction to metal, is heavy but still melodic enough to get normies in, probably makes sense why it is the most commercially successful. Metal and roll is a thing, is a good term, btw I would like to mention the band Soilwork that seems to bridge the gap between Metallica and Trivium, criminally underrated

[@thekivster]

I’m not really convinced this is a real genre. It’s more of just a description.

[@thekivster]

Maybe it makes more sense to call it thrash that’s closer to regular heavy metal. Some thrash is closer to death metal and some is more traditional.

[@Neutral_fog]

Wow! Thanks! Now i'm lost.

[@asoran8528]

Melothrash huh? thats a new one. Should be interesting.

[@BigBl0ck-r9y]

Arghoslent mix running wild riffs with melodic death metal and Disenense

[@ThurFallen]

For me,Slipknot AHIG have some tracks that are straight melothrash(Gematria and title track) and mixes of melothrash and nu metal(Sulfur,Gehenna and Psychosocial)

[@cdavid0715]

Can you make a video for dissonant black and death metal

[@Зеленыйслоник-е8ъ]

Melothrash is the missing triplet brother of Melodeath and Meloblack.

[@whatsinameme5258]

I'm guessing you don't like Melodic Metalcore. Lol

[@Зеленыйслоник-е8ъ]

@@whatsinameme5258 It is about the chronology. I was just thinking of three big subdivisions of the late 80s, early 90s extreme metal genre to be treated similarly as a logical starting point of the naming.

[@whatsinameme5258]

@@Зеленыйслоник-е8ъ Fair enough. Melodic Metalcore is sort of just an offshoot of Melodic Death anyway.

[@theavocadoguitarist.1823]

Ok I know this one is about to be really controversial, BUT… would you guys consider Ghost songs to be predominantly Metal n’ Roll, with some gothic/occult rock and pop influences? Or just rock? I think it’s a particularly fitting title with Prequelle and Meliora with tunes like Rats, Faith, From the Pinnacle…, and I’d even Argue Cirice, although it is much more “occult” or “gothic” in the intro, with more piano interludes

[@whatsinameme5258]

You know what, I think you might be onto something. I never really got into Ghost, but listening to those tracks, I'm starting to hear the Metal n' Roll in there.

[@BigBl0ck-r9y]

Is razer from canada melodic thrash metal they sound like it 2 me,

[@TheDjpwn3]

Am I overthinking it or did my comment on an earlier video inspire this?

[@whatsinameme5258]

I have gotten about 3 different comments mentioning this genre, and it inspired my train of thought, so yes. Partially at least.

[@rieldebonk1044]

Not related to Melothrash but What genre would you consider Rev Theory?

[@whatsinameme5258]

A mix of Post-Grunge and Metal n' Roll. Perfect 2000s racing game music.

[@ThurFallen]

2:08 always have seen anthrax more like melodic crossover thrash than actual thrash metal

[@mortuuslupus666]

you need to do wigger slam i would to see your take on that genre

[@ales6305]

midolic thrash metal p.s. the only genre that deserves to be called just 'metal' is heavy metal, because it basically already is.

[@claudiaborges8406]

So is it or is it not prog? Maybe prog on its own isn’t really a thing, and Death’s distinct sound and the bands mentioned in this video, which you previously described as prog + smth, are in fact melodic smth instead, not the “purest form”, but still distinctly and clearly a form of melodic thrash (or death in the case of Death) As you can see I still don’t understand prog, or at least the stuff that is not purely prog. I know what pure prog means but not the rest of prog lol (I know this contradicts what I said initially, but it’s because people call anything “prog” and it confuses me because it’s never just “prog” or even prog at all bc it’s instead a new genre)

[@BigBl0ck-r9y]

I don't understand how a band like macabre is not prog

[@bobyrob9261]

I do make the binary of good and bad Thrash metal bands. You have ones that are inspired and trying to make music (melodic), and you have ones that are really boring and paint by the numbers, just trying to be basic. Good vid though

[@igorpniak8308]

First

[@pechurick2834]

And know I'm confused. What is "not melodic" thrash?

[@whatsinameme5258]

Early Slayer, early Kreator, Exodus. Any Technical or Brutal Thrash. So Watchtower, Demolition Hammer, Morbid Saint, Sadus, Vektor, Droid, Vexovoid. Crossover Thrash like D.R.I. or S.O.D. There's lots that aren't Melodic. But a lot of the popular stuff is Melodic.