What Is Rainbow Six Siege's Most Nerfed Weapon?

[@WhyX23]

I don't like how Ubisoft doesn´t tend to buff the "bad" operators, but instead just nerfs the "good" or "fun" ones. I feel like this makes the game less fun in general

[@frugbub]

blackbeard is getting buffed so im happy for that

[@BMP]

Yeah I agree. Its a sentiment that I wish would change

[@drjamaymay405]

When specifically? The R6 dev team hss gone through 4+ iterations, so if it didn't happen in the past year it isn't applicable.

[@maxmustermann-zx9yq]

also, they nerfed alot of defender guns for "being too strong", but now every new defense op in the last seasons has been released with a literal attacker gun like what do you mean "it's like a dmr on defense", they released Aruni not that long after ...

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

I completely agree, most of the time players make an operator popular because the gun is still good. Ubisoft devs don’t see this, they think the operators become too popular or overpowered, and nerf them, instead of buffing less used or nerfed operators. The most laughable example was when everyone started running nokk silencer, they decided to nerf the gun and then the gadget.

[@SolarSillySolace]

As a newer siege player, hearing the words “low recoil” directed anywhere near the f2 sounds like a complete different time line to me.

[@TheKingofFresh3]

When it lost vertical grip the recoil got a lot worse. Which sucks, but also maybe thats for the best.

[@tsukikotsutsukakushi9339]

@@TheKingofFresh3 it still bothers me that the devs can't figure out a way to balance the recoil for the f2 in a way that feels fair while allowing for a vertical grip. they figured it out with buck's c8 and i remember when the recoil on that gun was so bad, people were running the camrs

[@leesasuki]

@@tsukikotsutsukakushi9339 c8 can shot a bird when you are aiming a chicken, the buff is justifiable, while F2 is still a beast even with the recoil

[@BMP]

It used to be insanely easy. Its just sad to see where it is now

[@Medlocre]

The recoil got better. It's very manageable now with a compensator

[@entxjay7677]

Genuinely ubis whole 'lets nerf whats fun and not touch whats weak' is the reason why i stopped playing. After a while it just slowly strips back what makes the game enjoyable

[@zayedmuneer8006]

still insane that the AK-12 and M4 are still close to how they were released even through they are also ridiculous guns

[@drjamaymay405]

fuze and mav aren't very popular. and they like ace being both a fragger and hardbreacher. no reason to nerf it.

[@KasettoQuota]

still insane to me that the AK12 did 45 damage and they gave it to Ace without realizing how fucked up that gun was to play against

[@vegitoblue2187]

​@@KasettoQuotawell, it was fun to play considering it was locked to a 3 armor op for quite some time.

[@vegitoblue2187]

Ak 12 did get recoil nerfs afaik

[@BMP]

The thing is that the AK-12 was actually considered to be a pretty middle of the road weapon, but now since all Ubisoft does is nerf guns, the AK-12 is considered the peak of attacking weapons. The M4 has always been strong but it isnt on any good operators so they likely wont nerf it until it is

[@shaqy8041]

Well they never understood that jäger was the only op to catch nades that was the reason he had this insane high pickrate

[@BMP]

Yeah idk why Ubi nerfs weapons on ops where their gadget is clearly the issue

[@ethanbradberry5224]

Man at this point id almost take a ump over the 416, just because its more consistent with slightly less dps

[@infernodotdash2203]

nah, his pick rate was 99% 2 years after wamai was released. the second they made his recoil awful he dropped to under 5%. now that his recoil is similar to before the nerf he just never recovered

[@klocper]

Nah, a lot of SoloQ player, would pick him to spawnpeek if Doc was taken. Despite him not having the ACOG. That gun used to hit like Kamaru Usman.

[@logansenkier3083]

@@infernodotdash2203because there’s so many other defensive guns with high fire rates, why play something that is turtle speed when you can drop somoene by unloading 25 bullets in 2 seconds at their face

[@Very-average]

elas really overlooked she had 50 bullets nerfed that to 40 then they made the damage lower then they made her gadget worse (that was reasonable) then they decided all that wasnt good enough so they made her guns recoil so bad you cant even shoot anyone past 12 meters

[@BMP]

The recoil has gotten better recently with the compensator, but I do agree Ela's gun was nerfed hard

[@MTF-EPSILON-11-5-NULL]

@@BMPhot take i think P10 was fine never needed a nerf

[@cybersentient4758]

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[@psilocybinenthusiast5200]

Elas gun is easily still one of the best to defend w, tears people apart up to that 12m!

[@billjohnson2307]

@@MTF-EPSILON-11-5-NULL Agreed. I love both mozzie's primary weps but for aruni im not really an AR enjoyer the p10 roni being nerfed makes it hard to play aruni.

[@egorpanteleev6804]

F2 ended up being nerfed for the casual playerbase to an unplayable level and for esports sweats recoil increase doesn't mean too much, which is the worst way to balance the game Cav's pistol nerf was probably the second biggest nerf that is up to date (since some other weapons got buffed back) The damage nerf was significant but the worst part was the recoil and mag nerfs which made 0 sense The damage dropoff of this pistol is already unique in a bad way, it has way faster damage drop which makes it even more worthless on the range compared to other pistols To make things worse, that pistol never was good on long range, it knocks down enemies and gives them an immunity period which means that if the enemy has the high ground or is standing far away - the enemy will most likely be safe and will force Cav to leave or to push the body across the map, making it a free bait to kill Cav in the process Cav's pistol needs to have its recoil and mag nerfs reverted and have its damage dropoff on range buffed, the damage can stay at 65 as it is nowadays

[@F2-_-mainn]

I think the F2 nerf was good because with the high amount of recoil, most players can't be good with it, but then people like me who main Twitch and can control and know the recoil pattern can beam everyone who steps in their way.

[@christian2534]

@@F2-_-mainn that's his point! lower ranks simply cannot play her, unless they use the 417. You might be able to beam with the f2, but most people cant, that is the sole reason why nerfing her gun that much is js not good for the overall game. New players are not even gonna bother trying an operator infamous for being basically impossible to play with. I used to main her, but now, unless there is a goyo and a mira on the enemy team, I much prefer using brava

[@datelessgamer5190]

When they nerfed the damage they brought the falloff in line with other pistols to compensate. That is a misconception that the damage falloff is still as bad as it was in its original state. The recoil and amour becoming health makes the damage nerf feel compounded but trust me, OG cav had way worse falloff. Not disagreeing that it deserves a buff though.

[@F2-_-mainn]

​@@christian2534 I'm on console, so I have no idea about PC, but I can still easily control it and same as other controller players, but sometimes you do forget how much recoil it does have, so when you do use it after a while, it's going up to the fucking roof, but if you main it or practice it for 30 minutes in the firing range before ranked like me, it's a fucking beam.

[@egorpanteleev6804]

@@starlson3442 where else would I try the F2? I played it throughout years and it's annoying for a casual user but for an esports nolifer it's controllable on short-medium ranges

[@fluxx-1603]

I stopped playing Siege in mid 2019, it is a absolute pain that Ubisoft keep changing weapons stats every season like it is League Of legends, they are anti fun. I haven't played since the introduction of the 1.5 scope etc

[@Zoxxtheking]

Well they removed the 1.5 and 2.0, but kept the acog/2.5 and the 3.0 (only on marksman rifles tho)

[@factordev]

FYI all attackers have acog once again, some defenders too (doc rook castle mute and more) also got it back, 1.5 is removed from game entirely.

[@Neto_69]

​​@@factordev Mute acog?

[@DB007-28]

S1 veteran here, i remember when the super 90 could outsnipe glaz on house. It was so bad people started calling it the "sniper 90".

[@meefy7777]

Good vid but you forgot the 44 mag semi auto, the Acog pistol that Kaid and Nomad have. On launch it was so busted. No recoil, high damage, 2.5x scope, 100 MS ADS speed and 5% speed bonus because it was a pistol and fast reload. imo it was the most broken gun the game has ever seen i remember having so much fun with it when wind bastion first came out edit: oh also the 2.5x scope was better than the standard acog since the housing was so slim, doesnt take up nearly as much peripheral vision as the standard acog does

[@phageios]

correction: it's scope is actually 3x (and always has been) which is more than the standard acog

[@D1amond131]

@@phageios the standard acog was 3x before they nerfed it. Big L since IRL its 3x times instead of 2.5

[@phageios]

@@D1amond131 yes, but what i mean is that the .44 has always been 3x, and never got lowered. so currently it has more zoom than an acog

[@D1amond131]

@@phageios yap :)

[@BMP]

Yeah I did forget about that one. Honestly solid point

[@Women_Respector17]

I feel like both of zofia’s primary weapons have to be included. It might just be a skill issue, but her AK used to be one of the best guns in the game but the recoil pattern change made if awful to use at least on console, then the initial nerf to the lmg, which was somewhat fixed with the lmg buff recently made that gun feel terrible to use. She just isn’t a fun op to play, especially with ash existing in the game.

[@SharkWithADrill]

You are right, they ruined both weapons with terrible recoil

[@Women_Respector17]

@ FR, I think I would rather run around with the pistol most of the time. What’s the point of giving her hard breach if none of the weapons are fun or usable

[@jetblackthreat6459]

Agree bro her AR was super fun to use

[@namecciano4518]

the problem is most of the players use an operator for a weapon, not for the gadget the big complaing about the p10 nerf is that aruni for no reason also take all the nerf from the mozzie 1.5 problem

[@its_sun7906]

this videos design and topic is amazing It has the feel of a 1 hour documentary style video in only 10 minutes and the thumbnail design just makes me curious about something I've never thought about awesome job BMP

[@aztecaura]

Insane idea: what if Ubisoft just buffed every operator in siege so that they are all overpowered, then it’ll be fair🔥🙏

[@featdirty1127]

Truly the Syndrome mindset. “When everyone’s super, nobody will be [super]” Tbf I agree wholeheartedly. Instead of nerfing what’s good/popular/fun they should buff what’s bad.

[@themarketgardener]

This is the strategy Dota 2 adopts and it’s much more fun than League’s balancing strategy of nerfing everything like Ubisoft

[@kai8367]

If everything is op nothing is

[@Foxythemenace]

You're in every siege video I watch.

[@aztecaura]

@ nah💀

[@matthewcochrane9499]

If Ubisoft actually nerfed fire rates instead of every other aspect of the gun they’d maybe not need to nerf a gun 5 times before it actually gets weaker

[@BMP]

Yeah idk why they refuse to do this

[@charlescabbage2933]

@@BMP the UMP 45 could really use a 50+ RPM

[@blastmole299]

I think you should mention Mk.17, the only reason it's nerfed so many times is because it's used by Blackbeard From a high damage gun with low fire rate like L85 and 556 but it only has 20 rounds, got its damage nerfed, ads time nerfed, got its ads time nerfed again when you equip the rifle shield, got its damage buffed to 49 but nerfed it again later to 40, even worse than before It literally is one of the worst rifle in the whole game, a 7.62 chambered rifle that's somehow deals low damage

[@solomonkane5240]

Which is insane thing that 7.62 bullet deals really bad damage for that caliber

[@blastmole299]

@solomonkane5240 Thankfully now it's buffed to 44

[@topbanana.2627]

the r4c nerf was criminal. NO one complained that it was op, but ive heard some low golds were complaining they were getting trashed by good ash players so i guess here we are now.

[@Sn3acky8934]

THANK YOU SOO MUCH, without you ive never know about thing that were lot stronger in the old days of siege (cuz i started in dread factor)

[@Sn3acky8934]

also the first comment lol

[@BMP]

No problem bro 💙

[@RainPage]

you forgot about smg 12 and bearing 9, those two were beast when they came out

[@notaisnot]

(Oops I accidentally deleted my comment) but the c75 auto having no sight options and worse stats in every category was brutal

[@featdirty1127]

@@notaisnotnot ‘was’ brutal, ‘is’ brutal. Nobody uses it to this day still because not only does it lack attachment options of any kind besides a suppressor, the irons remain some of the worst in the game, and the visual recoil makes it nigh unusable despite having good stats anywhere else. It’s why Kali got the TMP added to her kit, she didn’t have a truly viable secondary option because one was a pistol (a good one, but not something that can reliably take fights with SMGs) and the other was the C75. The thing still desperately needs a buff, and the only thing it really needs to be good is giving it a sight option.

[@BMP]

These are good honorable mentions. They are still insane today aswell

[@silver1407]

Bearing 9 is definitely a lot harder now though, I remember the glory days

[@kuromaki6226]

@@silver1407 Current state of bearing 9 is mostly vertical recoil not horizontal anymore, I'd argue it's almost as good as back then if you can pull down hard and use compensator.

[@SigrunForrester117]

Something I genuinely appreciate with your video is how even if you disagree with some nerfs, you also acknowledge how broken and deserved some of the nerfs are, even if some guns do need to be brought back up into line.

[@BlueMK12]

F2's nerf was seriously a crime, all the fun we've could have with the new grip system but no, they prefer to ruin Twitch. Nice vid!

[@BMP]

Yeah twitch got packed up. I appreciate the comment mate 💙

[@ALEXNHERO]

Best gun in the game in its prime!

[@Lilybun]

and super sweats and scripters still get to use it with pinpoint accuracy. it's only unusable for mid players who switch to dmr and soon the usage will show it's overused and will get nerfed lol.

[@TheBigHombre]

Thank you for uploading during school hours 🙏🏼

[@ImSoIo]

i love the vid but chill w the transitions 😭

[@leesasuki]

I think reducing p10 roni reload time will be a great way to go. This will make the gun very unique as it can't take long fight, but since it reload fast, you can do hit and run easily with it

[@insquared1868]

i remember, a few years back, when Pengu was still in G2, he mentioned that he finds the F2 recoil nerf to be a good decision and every single gun should follow this path. Mainly because Siege is a 1 shot headshot game, weapons with infinite firerate and 0 recoil become the strongest and easiest weapons. All you do nowdays is crutch those 800-1200 rpm smgs, prefire and swipe your crosshair somewhere around the head, it only takes 1 random bullet to get a kill. Changing every gun to a hard to control recoil with consistent patterns similar to CS would raise both the skill floor and ceiling. And I honestly agree with Pengu till this day. No wonder F2 is popular, it's one of the fastest guns attackers can use. Same goes to the p10 roni, 15 bullets take more precision and require better magazine management since you've got less bullets and thus less time to correct your missed shots while spraying. Guns with a similar problem are lesions T-5, MP7, MPX, Mx4 Storm (alibi), vector, elas scorpion (again). they all have 1 thing in common, fastest firerate known to man paired with 0 vertical and horizontal recoil. (Scorpion is verymuch back to it's prime version with compensator, literally 0 vertical with little horizontal sway.) Guns that have similar stats but take more practice to get good at are Smg 11, Smg 12 and Bearing 9. They are not perfect and actually quite easy to get a hang of, but can loose controll easily. F2 might be exaggerated, but it is not impossible to use. Even those who claim to have mastered it often have little struggles with the horizontal kick while still needing to pull down enough. Same with Jäger, when back in the day they completely broke his recoil, it was in an unusable state but i was impressed to see proplayers controlling his gun efortlessly even after the nerfs. It made me practice recoil of his 417 carbine, and learning to get good with the worst setup - no vertical + supressor. And the practice is what lacks every other gun, because it's just your typical aimlabs gun with pure focus on aim precision. I would like to see the game with these changes.

[@hoothoot7122]

One buff nobody talks about (because siege players lack creativity) is the supernova. It went from bad to the most consistent pump shotty except maybe the mossberg with just a little damage

[@harv8036]

The g36c got to be an honourable mention

[@why_tho_]

Yeah the thing was a headshot machine, but nowadays it's a worse alternative to R4C

[@ElementBruv]

Braindead devs lmao, hopping on r4c till players switched off of it then nerf the gun they switched to because of the nerfs, i feel bad for anyone whos living is making content in this game

[@Hmsdeacon]

I HATE magazine nerfs unrealistically. The nerf I hated the most was the loss of the ACOG on Hibana … thank god they reverted for once, no idea what they were thinking with that one

[@iskender1310]

Could be an honorable mention and not nerfed as much as these guns but IQ's Aug is so much worse than it was back in the day. That gun was shooting a line on full auto spray, and then they nerfed it because it was really easy to use even with a silencer if i remember corectly. Thanks CTZN for using it in pro matches and got it nerfed.

[@trashcontent6503]

Bro i literally just lost a ranked match today because of the amount of bullets ela has amongst other things but literally not being able to use my primary due to having ZERO ammunition happens so often it’s actually ridiculous

[@JansMarinara]

As someone whos played with most of these weapons. The biggest fall from peak to now is the luison. That pistol used to one shot from point blank to the body. Now its one of the worst pistols in the game, especially on console.

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

The cav pistol changes i remember seeing so many people claim that pro league got cav nerged when the designers notes litterally said casual focused.

[@samipennanen9429]

Ubisoft with the 5 bullet nerfs such a lazy way of nerfing

[@ritualising]

Before watching, I’m quick to say Ela’s evo. I remember when she came out it was cracked, it was a race between the whole team to get ela first, even team killers just because they lost the race to select Ela, her gun got nerfed to the ground even still it’s fairly decent, was a complete and total lazer

[@jaltersimp9639]

I feel the main issue with Ubi is there way of nerfing things is "add recoil" to all the higher performing guns. Can we get different nerfs rather then just decrease the amount of shots till we see the roof? I miss old school Ela. I understand she needed to be nerfed but god damn she was fun.

[@kala457]

I started playing mozzie a lot a month before his gun nerf and I miss the old P10

[@UP51L]

Cav’s smg seems fine currently. Low recoil, average damage, and on an op that’s meant to keep you on your toes. It’s got a lot of spawnpeeking potential especially with the extended barrel and it’s on an op that’s meant to close the distance and flank without making much sound. Doing anything to it that isn’t giving it more mag capacity would be too much.

[@franciscocipriano7973]

another weapon that got really bad was the .44 mag semi-auto, it had 74 damage which was nerfed to 54 and the recoil was very low and then it was nerfed and now it's almost impossible to use it only at close range but with a 3x scope it's shit.

[@exoticccks8651]

Is that Deimos gun?

[@rice5827]

@@exoticccks8651 nomad and kaids pistol

[@franciscocipriano7973]

@@rice5827 @exoticccks8651 yup the pistol that no one uses, when it came out no one used Nomad's PRB92 and Kaid's LFP56, the .44 was a great weapon for close range, long range and a spawn peeck machine

[@franciscocipriano7973]

@@rice5827 yup the pistol that no one uses, when it came out no one used Nomad's PRB92 and Kaid's LFP56, the .44 was a great weapon for close range, long range and a spawn peeck machine

[@exoticccks8651]

@@rice5827 ahh yep cheers thanks a lot 👍🏼

[@TITANia69420]

I miss the old 416. Not even just the ACOG 416. Just the 3-Speed Jager 416.

[@Kadorhal]

I'd have figured Blackbeard would have at least garnered a mention - I only played for about a week or so at two specific periods very early on, once during Operation Health and once during Operation Chimera and even I'm well aware of how often they've been nerfing him - but then again I suppose that only applies to his rifle shields and not his guns.

[@thomaswilson4292]

TTK feels painfully long compared to what it used to be, and I find myself asking “How was that not a kill?” so many times when the enemy was solely in my sights, just to see enemy health still fairly high in the kill cam. How does a DMR which used to do 71 damage leave someone with 80 health left?

[@nosk7611]

It only took them 8 years after his release to make black beards gun a more viable gun. I don’t even like bb but his ar was just so worthless forever. Quite upsetting they don’t even bother to revert the nerfs they do when they address what actually made an operator good.

[@aqibfreed4672]

At the top my head i was thinking for sure its ash. Im sure the r4c has had the most recoil changes ever, it also gained and lost its acog like 3 times, the recoil pattern has changed atleast 5 times.

[@featdirty1127]

Yeah but nah. Sure it’s seen it’s fair share of nerfs but it’s still the most popular attacker weapon, and in all honesty it’s still not that hard to master even if you haven’t used it in a while. Zofia got absolutely shredded, first by making her AR basically unusable and making everyone realise how stupid the LMG-E was, then also making that LMG unusable. Not as many nerfs, but certainly more impactful considering she was nerfed beyond just her primary weapons. But the F2 still probably takes the cake. A damage nerf way back in Chimera, something close to 10 recoil nerfs, a mag size nerf and removing an attachment completely. The old F2 vs the new F2 is something else, cause that thing was an absolute monster (still never as popular as the R4C despite that), turning it from a newbie friendly headshot machine into something completely worthless. 2 honourable mentions: the Scorpion was the best weapon in the game when it was launched, no contest at all. No recoil, 1080 RPM, 28 damage per bullet, 50 rounds, and SMG handling, all on a 3 speed defender with a gadget that was easy to play off and impacts. They nerfed the mag size and it’s recoil a tiny bit (which didn’t do anything at all) before lowering its damage to 23 and drastically altering its recoil to not do well after the first 5 or so bullets, balancing it out quite well. Then they reworked the recoil system and that was it, the amount it pulls your screen everywhere made it impossible to consistently control and there wasn’t a reason to use it, giving rise to her shotgun becoming one of the best weapons in the game (which could also be on this list but it’s ok, besides Ela sees no use anymore sadly). They buffed it once, it was really good again, then they nerfed it back to in between the first adjustment and the buff they gave. I still think it deserves a good buff because of how many other good weapons are out there now. The other is the magnum on Kaid and Nomad. The thing was unholy in release, and actual pocket sniper. Then they cut the recoil back into what it is now and removed it’s damage to be ok. Now it sucks!

[@tsukikotsutsukakushi9339]

i think the luison is probably the only weapon in this game that i wouldn't even call a nerf but a rework similar to operator gadgets/abilities. you can look at the damage reduction from 99 to 65 as a major nerf but the devs also established a clear baseline for when damage falloff starts/ends for all weapon categories whereas OG Luison starts at 99 and falls off significantly at like 4m and beyond.

[@vegitoblue2187]

I am disappointed you did not cover Jackal's C7E which became an MPX level garbage weapon with capacity down to 25 and damage close to that of smgs for a very long time. AK 12 got major recoil nerfs too and these were arguably the best ARs in game.

[@hev.n]

I think some noteworthy mentions should be, Buck's AR ,Zofia's AR, the Secondary SMG nerfs, IQ's LMG

[@SteadyFreedom]

I left the game a year and a half ago and tried it again a few weeks ago. Coming back was impossible because the game felt like absolute dogshit. Every weapon I liked was nerfed to oblivion and the operator bloat was too much to handle. I felt like I was doing homework rather than just playing a game even in casual mode. So I just left and never looked back. Thanks Buggysoft

[@ZERO-jj2lh]

You see the pattern, they cannot nerf RPM or Fire Rate and in my assumption, they are too lazy to also patch the sound to match the fire rate.

[@futebol25horas570]

Good video. My top 1 its the BB Mk17, this gun its awful nowadays.

[@BMP]

The gun is bad for sure, but the issues is it was never a very good weapon. So, from a nerf perspective it wasn't really nerfed to the ground it just went from a below average weapon to a terrible one

[@timmy5876]

To this day i wish ubisoft went the route of making all the operators better rather than making all the operators worse, i get nerfing in some scenarios but when they’ve made guns worse for example why didn’t they just make other guns better

[@theunkownboss8052]

Them removing the grip from the F2 was the single stupidest decision I’ve ever seen and really told me the direction the game was heading

[@theunkownboss8052]

Also I think the scorpion was a much stronger weapon in its prime than the F2 I’ve played though both eras and witnessed first hand it’s unholy power

[@BlitzKanec]

I think adding the acog on Jäger's rifle would be pointless since it would just make what's bad about his rifle (the recoil) even harder to mitigate, I think that making the gun itself good instead of giving it the acog would make Jäger much more fun because you can't take a gunfight at 15+ m and expect a good outcome nowadays (unless you're a beast). I'd increase the mag size and reduce the horizontal and vertical kick.

[@bntts]

Def not the most nerfed, but got the attention that it needed too late by the community, is the AK-12. Fuza was a banger combo, until Ace was released and had the gun nerfed, nowhere near as good as it was before Steel wave.

[@TheGrayAdder]

Not the most nerfed weapon, but I definitely think the ALDA 5.56 deserves a mention. Losing its ACOG and the unusual hip fire mechanic was a big nerf that also removed a lot of the unique appeal of the weapon imo. That said, it was a VERY strong weapon that's still quite good, so I can't say the nerfs were unwarranted (even if I don't like them...).

[@Echocompany2-7]

The f2 getting the ammo nerf makes sense. As the real famas f2 with its straight box mag holds 25 rounds. 30 is unrealistic as it’s impossible and this in my opinion isn’t a nerf it’s just keeping the gun accurate to its real life counterpart

[@Ad_Dystopia]

I don't get why Ubisoft just refuses to give every weapon class the same the same scopes. Could for example do DMR Telescopic, AR Magnified, SMG only non-magnifuing scopes with no ARs and DMRs on defense. They're just outplaying themself by shifting scopes over and over again.

[@bikiniboky2488]

It was so sad when they nerf cav Luison, that pistol was best thing in siege. Cav is now bad operator to use but I would still pick her, even thought Vigil and Lesion are now way better picks

[@alexgrooms7467]

Every time a gun is fun and players find good uses for it in the game Ubisoft just comes in and makes in unusable.

[@Mustang-wt1se]

nerfing magazine capacity in a tactical shooter is such a Ubisoft thing to do

[@Dottol-]

BOSG almost got butchered but that thankfully was either reverted or never went through

[@maxgoose707]

If I remember correctly, in the same patch they removed 5 bullets from the roni, didn't they increase the recoil a little bit? That change I'm fine with, it needed that recoil nerf but the 5 bullets is still just plain stupid

[@OTTiFieD]

Awesome vid 👌

[@epoc-dielak]

Kali's sniper is the most nerfed gun because the community didn't understand to not peek a sniper.

[@nate4md13]

isn't the thumbnail just great blue's tf2s most nerfed weapon video but with a cav pistol?

[@AliceDevil7490]

I think the rework of maestro and alibi's acs12(primary shotgun) is a notable change for being a particularly anti casual fun change. It went from being a comedically scary wall shredding buck shot shotgun, arguably the most hilarious weapon to ever exist in the game if not talking about cosmetics, and they changed it into a slug shotgun. It was rarely played before the rework and it's rarely seen after the rework all the same, all they really did was take away a little drop of casual fun.

[@vegitoblue2187]

Actually it was a copout since their engine was not able to bear the load of all that destruction in such a short amount of time. They stated it was causing stress on the engine somewhere when they did that.

[@seniorspaz5131]

im not gonna lie maestro's LMG and alibi's CX4 are just really good, high ROF no recoil headshot machines i see azamis running acs12s a lot over VSNs, id say it's just a matter of the weapon it's next to rather than the weapon itself

[@fistan5447]

Main reason i do not get into siege is because gunplay feels the worst in any Fps ive ever played. I know its supposed to be secondary to OP gadgets since thats R6's schtick, but thats not what we use most of the time. Gadgets are support items, not primary. So instead i watch it as spectator sport.

[@spark9984]

Idk if that would work but I think that to bring back F2 back to the balanced state I would do this: - remove ACOG, add Vert. Grip - increase the recoil on first 10 bullets by 5% - decrease the damage from 37 to 33 - increase mag size to 30+1 This would make it a bit tough to control but more manageable due to vert grip and then with the dmg nerf she should need 1-2 extra bullets depending on the armor and distance

[@bing4580]

they said they wont remove scopes from attackers anymore

[@darkmusky9851]

I would just reduce the fire rate, that is what makes the F2 so OP

[@Ariz0na_AGU]

Glaz dmr. Used to do 325 damage with even lower recoil.

[@Zoxxtheking]

Honestly hate how devs think they “balance” the game by solely listening to pro players. It’s like honestly one of, if not the worst dev move you can do. A decent amount of pros don’t even run ranked, so like it doesn’t even make any sense on why they would cater to like 1% of the player base, when the other 99% are telling then what they want from which operator and how they would like to see it implemented. Instead they buff one thing so bad it breaks the meta entirely and changes it. This whole year was deadass shield meta, because people who don’t have good aim could win a match without even taking a gun fight. The only way to counter was either run straight trap ops, or use clash, oryx and warden to HOPEFULLY kill one of the TWO primary shield ops. They then made blackbeard an even more op primary shield op but at the same time, nerfed the shields, AGAIN, but gave blackbeard the ability to aim behind half of his shield. Too be honest tho, he isn’t as powerful in his season. If he came out any other season this year before the shield nerfs, he probably would’ve been the most used op

[@roberthunka]

Nomad and Kaid pistol is so bad now that they had to give them alternatives. But it used to be meta

[@lukebieda4733]

The transitions are all peak

[@BMP]

W editor

[@formidablegames6086]

5:26 hm, the largest gun damage nerf? we forget about glaz i see, going from 180 damage down to 71

[@Dottol-]

Also did the ACS get shadow nerfed along time ago? I was playing one day and felt like the fire rate was off, seemed slower than I remembered so I checked the rogue 9 video on when the weapon released and stats wise it has the exact same fire rate listed, however it was noticeably slower than the old video

[@billjohnson2307]

I miss Twitch's Grip for her F2. that was by far one of my favorite guns when i started siege and her drones were a bonus for even more enjoyment popping mira's mirror to zapping drones mozzie captured to helping our hard breachers by zapping bandits/kaids off walls. Now i barely touch her but i do mess around with her 417 the AR just isnt as fun as f2 was imo so i moved away from playing her and it sucks :c

[@Somejaun]

The nerfs of everything in the game just makes it not fun I’ve played since blood orchid and I just can’t bring myself to play this game anymore

[@fataldeadshot1032]

Not mentioning either of zofias lmg or m762 in this video is criminal

[@timmy5876]

Has to be the F2 in my opinion, it’s currently the worst to control as a low sense player. If i use it consistently i get used to the recoil but u shouldn’t have to only play one op consistently to get the recoil, i want to be able to switch to twitch when i need her ability and have confidence using her gun

[@jasmine-xr5yo]

the r4c has only ever been nerfed over the course of a decade. it has never even one time received a buff.

[@dev.reveal]

What about glaz OTS? It used to do 152 damage, now it only does 71? That’s the biggest damage Nerf in the games history.

[@jaboba8937]

They should decrease the R4-C damage, this damage is unreal combined with its fire rate, and considering the R4-C is a 5,56 rifle, it has an above average damege for a 5,56 (the 7,62 from Zofia has the same damage as the R4-C, even though being a bigger caliber)

[@VariousAce-o3f]

9:07 "universalizing" attachments. Like 3 of them and none of them make a big difference to almost any player especially newer player base. And ash acog not being a problem (because she's an attacker) though she was a top frag atk op for mulitple years on top of hitbox issues, is just insane. I stg so much bias in it that just ruins the fun of coming up w/your own strats that typically just depend on the team working together well enough to work. Remember turtling?? Only crawling with shields, rarely worked but when it did it was fun asf and hilarious. Recruit rush? Nah. All unique strats are dying to specific meta.

[@Goohizaus]

The F2 definitely needed an ammo nerf That’s how it is in real life.

[@mmaaurraa4233]

417 is a good gun anyways, but they really did the F2 so badly. Any nerf would be better than removing grips for her gun.

[@ChiefSteve1337]

misses the Super 90 in my opinion, but still a good video though!

[@BMP]

Super 90 was killed by Ubi. I just didn't think about it lol

[@charlescabbage2933]

@@BMP wasnt the gun called the Sniper Shotgun back on release ?

[@timmy5876]

Removing ash acog made ZERO sense cus yes everyone used her for her gun but it wasn’t exactly OP it’s just she was a 3 speed with a really comfortable gun, in reality maverick and zero were as good but people just weren’t as comfortable with them at the time. Removing ash acog made her basically useless unless u were rushing

[@BeardBrawn]

Mozzie P10 still hurts to this day

[@sgtRedFireFox]

Bro bartland university omg I miss that map so much and damn I really have been playing this game for a decade

[@torrxknight2064]

Not a gun, but shields got giga nerfed in the long run and in my opinion the worst nerfs. Removing the one hit kill bash made sense since it was stupid to die to a blunt melee attack, but making the shields slower and clunkier to use in a time when the netcode was not favoring shields made me drop shield ops. I'd get consistently headshot by people I was looking at since the server could not handle a shield turning properly. With my toes and elbow popping out, my shield getting staggered off my arm from melees, and the netcode turning my shield into a cosmetic item it just begged the question as to WHY would I play shields when the fun factor they had got stripped and spat on?

[@Milk23678]

No matter how bad the f2 is now it’s still my favorite gun to use and with so much recoil getting good with it agin feels so damm good I do hope they give it slight buff tho

[@dr.narwhalmd4885]

Recoil nerfs, esp on console just annoy me because you're not affecting anyone using xim or cronus, which are most likely the people crutching the gun in the first place.

[@killerninjaz13]

What would help if they actually diversified the weapons in the game rather than having the same guns on multiple ops So when nerfing guns they don't immediately hurr durr an already weak op Eg Ram she has an LMG with monstrous recoil and then the R4C which also has extremely high recoil Or the lord tanka they nerfed the LMG and now it's useless So you need to use the VSN but if they nerf it because of Azami then he'd be utterly useless Now they basically can't nerf guns when needed because so many ops share the same over such a board spectrum of useful and useless

[@jR0xas]

Honorable mention: Blackbeard's SCAR.

[@michaeljamesm]

8:03 ah yes operation phantom recoil, they really showed off their work on the skybox that season

[@vegitoblue2187]

skybox?

[@cvcorvus]

you should credit great blue for inspiring this vid and it's thumbnail

[@breathair66]

f2 should her vertical back bro like how can we control recoil without it

[@Sarahsqueak]

its not that difficult

[@Kehlp]

would rather have every character be broken than nerfed to all hell, makes the game more fun

[@BMP]

I would tend to agree

[@Wiffle990]

They need to buff the bad operators instead of nerfing the good and fun ones because it makes the game worse overall

[@angelguardianpeace-lf6fl]

I honestly think people saying cav has a bad gadget that's a skill issue if your on defense you already need understand how attackers will drone once they locate sight. She has a stupid good gadget and pretty decent guns. I run the shotty and pistol simply bc I play her on maps with more tight corners to boogie man people with. She is no bad being able to sneak around and get clean picks with a near negative sound weapon works well if done correctly. I think a lot of people think they have to go for the interactions. It's a call is it worth the risk or not. However if you say yes commit that time to get it getting the real time enemy locations. As well as increased running speed while gadget is active on top of running faster bc of using a pistol as well as having increased mele range that downs the target for the interrogation. She does have a usable kit. It's more about decision on your end. Skill issues.

[@ImLazarus666]

The tcsg was a mence in pc lobbies but you try using that thing pre nerf in consoles the recoil was dogshit

[@runmyfadecuhhh]

Never talked about the sniper 90