What is Starmerism? | The New Statesman podcast

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@microwaves25 6 ай бұрын

I'm a left winger but I'm also a pragmatist. Politics is a game and an ugly one at that and I think Starmer is the piece or character in this game that we need at this critical moment. I do worry that the left is going to make the same mistake and tear itself apart. Give this man time and we will judge him on his actions in office. He isn't perfect but there hasn't been a politician in the history of democracy that has.

@jakel8627 6 ай бұрын

Tell it how it is Spongebob

@robc7162 6 ай бұрын

Same as you, my instincts are left wing, but without power what are they worth? After 14 years of greed, corruption and incompetence, I'm just relieved that we may finally have a Labour Government that puts the common good top of their agenda and sound like they will be competent in doing so. It would surely help their cause if they could come up with a couple of pithy phrases to help people understand what their aims are. If you take the time to look, the policies are there yet we hear the constant whine that people don't know what Labour stand for and they could do with summarising that for the masses a la "get Brexit done" (yes, I hated that too but it got the message over).

@patcampton7163 6 ай бұрын

Starmer has torn the Labour apart. No one else. He is a real piece of work. I have supported Labour since Wilson. I'm not supporting this charlatan.

@patcampton7163 6 ай бұрын

@@robc7162it won't be a Labour government. What does he have to do to.make you finally see who he is?

@nimzgaz7049 6 ай бұрын

In 4 years you be wishing to get rid of kier. Follow the sheep and see where that gets you.

@samcarena4702 6 ай бұрын

Starmerism is an empty hollow vessel

@guywilletts2804 5 ай бұрын

Sunak-ism is about a hedge fund casino banker who screwed the country out of millions in 2008. Farage-ism is a posh boy career politician pretending he's something he's not. So what's your point ?

@DINOROAR2912 6 ай бұрын

I think its important to note that Micheal Sandels philosophy is never directly referenced by Starmer, he adopts similar language which could be argued to be equivalent to adopting the themes of Sandel, but that runs the risk imposing an asumption. Also, can we do away with "Starmerism" "Communitarianism" and just generally making things into an Ism, "Starmerism" makes for a good soundbite, but its psuedo intellectual simplification that makes a concept more abstract than it actually is. "Starmerism" = the values or positions of Starmer and his party, so calling it that gives a better indication of what you mean, position vs value, him or the Labour party. "Communitarian" feels much the same way, abstract for no reason.

@andrewrobinson2565 6 ай бұрын

It used to be that the Labour Party wanted to get rid of class not "make us all middle class". I escaped Thatcher's UK in 1986 and never came back. I'm Brexit French now 😂🎉 🇨🇵🇪🇺.

@rory4605 5 ай бұрын

Good to see the Habsburg dynasty getting some air time.

@turingtrading5301 6 ай бұрын

What does Keir Starmer stand for? Great question as no one is clear at all on this.

@nimzgaz7049 6 ай бұрын

He just another left wing puppet. A opportunistic guy who changes his mind and does and say anything to win

@georgesdelatour 6 ай бұрын

There’s a writer who goes by the moniker “j sorel”. He wrote a piece at the Daily Sceptic called “Keir Starmer’s Coming Revolution is More Radical Than His Opponents Realise”. Even if you don’t agree with the writer’s political preferences, I think it’s a good analysis of Starmer’s world view and the likely policies he will implement.

@lynzannabel6990 6 ай бұрын

@@georgesdelatour 👍🏽

@clivet3252 6 ай бұрын

@@georgesdelatour you're ignoring the fact that it could be utter bollocks

@albertbrammer9263 6 ай бұрын

Starmer getting advice from Mandelsohn is a huge mistake.

@TheLucanicLord 6 ай бұрын

He's no Beathoven.

@beatricecowley4307 6 ай бұрын

The Labour party was and should be again. The voice for the things that affect the daily lives of every day people. Whats happening is a party that is going pale blue. Work has to be safe to do. It has to have pay that cover a decent quality of life. By that I mean. Being able to buy food. (Nurses going to food banks is unacceptable) Having a roof over your head that allows you to feel safe and you wont be evicted from through no fault of yours. Being as ble to heat your home , have hot water. Maybe go for a meal or the cinema. Being able to live and work not exist and work.

@robc7162 6 ай бұрын

Their new deal for workers policy is just that.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

@@robc7162Labour rarely mention the unemployed as if we don't exist

@raphaeldelaghetto4 6 ай бұрын

Well said

@specialized500 6 ай бұрын

Agree he wants to win .

@kapitankapital6580 6 ай бұрын

This is fascinating, because the focus seems to be almost entirely on what Starmer believes rather than what Starmer intends to do. We're told about this man with all these noble principles, and yet in the same breath we're told he won't act on any of them in the name of "pragmatism". Newsflash: if you believe in something then you think it is the best policy to adopt; abandoning that is not "pragmatic", it simply means you never really believed in it in the first place. One has to wonder if Starmer is so interested in virtue over policy then why didn't he become a clergyman instead of a Parliamentarian?

@michaelcoward1902 6 ай бұрын

It's because he doesn't appear to believe in anything except for his entitlement to number 10.

@mongoliandude 6 ай бұрын

We can’t judge him on his actions because he’s not been in government. All we’d have to go on there would be how he addressed the conflict within the Labour Party, which was essentially to lock out the left of the party, so not especially inspiring. We then have to look to his words and his purported beliefs/values, but with his characteristic flip-flopping and reneging that presents a more dire picture. People are quite understandably unsettled.

@TheOGFrostiest 6 ай бұрын

Very well broken down and analysed 👍🏼

@matthew_whitfield 6 ай бұрын

The amount of eye contact from George is astounding

@rory4605 5 ай бұрын

I'm autistic, it would make be burst into flames.

@gavriloking5637 6 ай бұрын

He is a politician, nothing more, nothing less .

@archiemcberry7102 6 ай бұрын

Sir Keir believes exactly what you believe. And if you suddenly change your mind he still believes as you. Sir Keir is your alter ego, a true leader who has your best interest at heart. Believe in Sir Keir and your worries will disappear.

@markblance8492 6 ай бұрын

Wow, if only this was the case. What is he a Demi god?

@crayontom9687 6 ай бұрын

Power for power’s sake. The heir to Cameron

@Vtwin_Superbikes 6 ай бұрын

Ive been outside of the UK for 10 years, i only really know about Starmer by how commentators (left and right) talk about him, and they broadly do him a disservice. I hold my hands up and admit i prejudged him as i thought he was just another career politician, but listening to this it seems he has lived a full life before entering the frame which i am a strong advocate for everyone doing (i don’t think career politics should be a thing). So by default he gets my full backing.

@clivet3252 6 ай бұрын

So the work experience kid talks a load of nonsense trying to make out Starmer is not just a wooden puppet and you lap it up?

@andrewrose7800 3 ай бұрын

What does Starmer stand for, what are his principles. In a nutshell, promise and pledge anything and everything to gain leadership and power. Once you've gained these, it doesn't matter if you break these as you can make excuses, blaming others and follow your own agenda.

@DanCThorpe 6 ай бұрын

The project will fail because you can't grow your way out of the mess we're in without state spending. So after an anemic and short lived period in power Johnson will be back with a vengeance. The fault will lie squarely with the 'pragmatists' for their lack of ambition.

@willrelf1377 6 ай бұрын

Cringe client journalism from the New Statesman.

@aianmacpherson6190 6 ай бұрын

Really helpful summery of the content of Starmer's thinking and how that gels with his shadow cabinet. It can be frustrating how cagy he is due to a pragmatic gole of getting elected, it can leave a seeming content vacuum.

@jamien134 5 ай бұрын

Blimey George Eaton, talk about being the inspiration for the Easter Island Statues! That's a face made for radio if ever there was one!

@PaulMcCaffreyfmac 6 ай бұрын

Flogging blogs is where the world has got to but 'personality politics', though it gives you twenty minutes of free material, is the last thing we want after the utter shambles of recent years.

@durinvoronwe 6 ай бұрын

The references to the dignity of work are very Biden-esque. Biden and Starmer are in some sense quite similar: pragmatic center-left politicians from a working class background that seeks to chart out a path distinct from both the old neoliberal order and the progressive movement.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

No seriously no

@Ahrimas 6 ай бұрын

I can see the similarities now you mention it

@michaelcoward1902 6 ай бұрын

I'm laughing at the notion that Biden and starmer are center left. They're centre right

@durinvoronwe 6 ай бұрын

@@michaelcoward1902 I'll concentrate on Biden because I know him better. When he won in 2020, he basically campaigned on the following: 1. A return to the political status quo pre-Trump and consensus building (centrist) 2. Increased state investments post-covid focusing on the green transition (left-leaning) 3. Increased welfare programs (left-leaning) 4. "US-liberal" advancements in for example criminal justice reform, immigration and gun policy (may or may not be considered left-leaning). Summing all of this up, I'd label it centre left. In office, he has adapted to Congress and bad approval ratings. On point 1, he has not gone further right. On point 2, he did exactly what he said he would do. On point 3, he tried and mostly failed in congress (with some exceptions in the original American Rescue Plan like the temporary tax credit and higher minimum wage for federal workers, as well as $160B and counting in student debt relief). On point 4, he tried to get bipartisan compromises, mostly failed (apart from a small gun law and protecting same-sex marriage), and then pivoted to the centre. In addition, we can add foreign policy, where he's governed as a centrist (Ukraine) and centre right-recently-turned-centre left (I/P). So his term as president has been defined by a mix of centrist and left-leaning policies. A centre left label seems fair to me. Of course, if you define left/right simply as socialist/capitalist in absolute terms, I'd agree that he's centre right. But it seems lees useful to "calibrate" the scale in that way, as it would place almost all policitans and voters on the same side.

@clivet3252 6 ай бұрын

Oh get over yourself.

@rpb583 6 ай бұрын

Labour really have to get off the fence and tell us what we might be voting for. They cannot just keep quiet in fear of making a mistake.

@gabel5188 6 ай бұрын

Nice article, I was never sure what Starmer was about but this gave me an insight. Will be interesting to see when/if he gets into power how he will deal with the right wing as seen in America and in Germany.

@Ps5GamerUk 6 ай бұрын

Great job thumbnail maker, lmao

@profc9916 6 ай бұрын

What are the chances we can get through a conversation about Starmer without mentioning that he likes football?

@okokokjack 6 ай бұрын

He does though.

@chrispalmer7893 6 ай бұрын

@@okokokjack So did Michael Howard, so I think the football thing is pretty much a wash

@profc9916 6 ай бұрын

Winning elections, at essentially any cost. Next question?

@robc7162 6 ай бұрын

You wanna change the world you need to win elections.

@welshaccenttutorials3104 6 ай бұрын

Good analysis. thanks

@davidalderson7761 6 ай бұрын

UK politicians believe in themselves and also power. Nothing more nothing less.

@StevenHolmes-s3e 6 ай бұрын

Starmer is a politician! He can’t explain why Brexit was a problem while still being in the opposition! When he is elected he will change his tune and will then promote closer relations with the EU!

@PERRITOCBA 6 ай бұрын

Robin Cook and David Lammy in the very same sentence…

@StratsRUs 6 ай бұрын

Power for its own sake. The Tories that joined Starmer have not changed their political stance. Yet, 'Labour has changed'. To accommodate the Right , not The Left.

@TouringTony 6 ай бұрын

Now that Elphicke has joined Starmer it's clear he doesn't stand for anything. He wants power for its own sake

@CodeCancerLab 6 ай бұрын

Of course he wants power, he has none at the moment and can't do anything after a lifetime of achievement in Law.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

@CodeCancerLab ok Labour gain power what changes are you expecting from them?

@dreamcrusher112 6 ай бұрын

@@keithparker1346 in a first term not much - in a second term could be quite transformative culturally.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

@@dreamcrusher112 so nothing then

@markblance8492 6 ай бұрын

What does Starma stand for. That’s simple……. HIM SELF

@TheLucanicLord 6 ай бұрын

Where's Anoosh? Has she gone to visit Sangita Myska?

@Glasgow_kiss 6 ай бұрын

when tories feel right at home in your party, you are no longer a left wing party. they havent been for a long time, but still stands.

@albertbrammer9263 6 ай бұрын

When he accepts Natalie Elphicke I feel like throwing up. Sickening.

@zedrake 6 ай бұрын

It’s already been stated that Elphickle won’t be standing for Dover and the existing Labour candidate will remain there. She’s also been offered nothing. She has zero power and she’s essentially been gamed to speak out against the Tory’s and all for the price of nothing. She’s not going to be on the benches in a few months

@jacobcapon4271 5 ай бұрын

The Labour Party is a centrist party Now, starmer is that incarnate.

@zepecaos 6 ай бұрын

You are putting ideas on Starmer and over interpreting. Starmer is not saying what Sandel thinks. Rather that intuition, you are attributing ideas he does not have clearly.

@kayedal-haddad 6 ай бұрын

Starmer should have gone down a Blue Labour route rather than a Blairite route!

@theodoremcalindon 6 ай бұрын

Excellent comment totally agree

@kayedal-haddad 6 ай бұрын

@@theodoremcalindon I think it would have resonated with Labour voters a lot more!

@tapaarn5863 6 ай бұрын

Whatever Starmerism is, take it away, I don't want it.

@SD-wg3xo 6 ай бұрын

Appreciate Eaton's analysis here but starting every answer with 'YEH! Soooo ...' very quickly becomes jarring to listen to.

@harry-vt7ep 6 ай бұрын

Starmer has a lot of hopes riding on him to stop the decline of the nation, which has been almost by design been happening ever since the Condems era through wilful neglect or deliberate policies to make the average brit poorer

@willrelf1377 6 ай бұрын

He stands for the establishment, austerity, giving cover for genocide, crackdown on protests. I’ll never vote Labour again.

@markblance8492 6 ай бұрын

What he is a Tory

@gullygullible9774 6 ай бұрын

Starmer is a paid stooge for Mi5 😊

@alisonc297 6 ай бұрын

Yep, still non the wiser re Starmer... my only certainty is that I don't like his Gaza stance 😒

@fslinteriors7889 6 ай бұрын

"A ceasefire that lasts. This is what must happen now. The fighting must stop now." - yes, a very controversial stance, how dare he.

@davidhodgson3901 6 ай бұрын

Answer: winning elections

@DonxKarleone 6 ай бұрын

And after that? What then?

@chrispalmer7893 6 ай бұрын

@@DonxKarleone If he doesn't win, that doesn't matter. It's an inherent flaw in democracy - what it takes to win election doesn't in any way correlate to what is needed to be an effective government once you've won.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

In short you have no idea @@chrispalmer7893

@rogerhigman7568 6 ай бұрын

A really good and informative discussion - with exactly the right conclusion. Can Starmer deliver for people in this country. Personally I doubt it, but I'I'll gladly be proved wrong.

@JohnKerley-t8b 6 ай бұрын

So after all that we still don’t know

@alst4817 6 ай бұрын

I didn’t understand very much of this…also apparently Harry Potter became a journalist.

@brianoriordan7281 6 ай бұрын

Does he make good decisions? Did he see what the consequences of coming late to the table on the Gaza question. Has he understood the damage to the party in the forthcoming election if giving the Whip and almost certainly promising Ms Elphick the opportunity to stand for Labour in the GE when it comes. I welcomed his being made the leader but I confess I worry about some of his decisions.

@princeofchetarria5375 6 ай бұрын

I don’t care about Starmer’s personality. I actually like boring politicians. What I (and most normal people) *hate* is politicians who go back on their promises. Starmer has U-turned on the majority of important pledges that he made during his leadership. To me it’s straight up dishonest and he has lost my support. It’s a shame because if he’d only been consistent and honest, he could’ve been a leader that I was happy to support.

@andrewrobinson2565 6 ай бұрын

Can we call any person's politics an "-ism" if that person hasn't been in power?

@Vtwin_Superbikes 6 ай бұрын

Shush

@andrewrobinson2565 6 ай бұрын

@@Vtwin_Superbikes WTF does that mean (in this context)? (Edit: 🤣)

@paulronalddoe4548 6 ай бұрын

Nothing...Won't vote for them.

@gilgamecha 6 ай бұрын

What flattery to call it Starmer-ism. There is no Starnerism, only Starmer. There is no detectable principle. It is just Mandelsonism. Blairism without the spark.

@matthewkeating5963 6 ай бұрын

I have a funny feeling he will surprise us all.

@RegionalVariation 6 ай бұрын

How to talk for half an hour about bugger all is exemplified by this pair in this video, replete with Corbyn jibes. Client journalism for Starmer. Insufficiently challenging waffle, bereft of evidence and data, full of their slants. And they opine on why he public distrust politics and politicians!

@jonathanfell688 6 ай бұрын

I'm on the Left. There is no point in me and others being purist. Starmer's future Government will be very distinctly different to Blairism and more Progressive. I very much like the Practical strain within, things we can Actually Do rather than Dreams.

@CaptainValian 6 ай бұрын

Politic is done. You just don't get it yet. People have had enough of lies. All parties are the same just slightly different flavours.

@debbiegale9076 6 ай бұрын

Why are you seemingly to recognise a need for a drop.in immigration rather than challenging that. We know we need a population boost as people aren't having enough kids. Or is Starmer going to incentivise people to gave bigger families in some way?

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

Labour support the 2 child benefit cap they want people to have less kids and to be more reliant on imported labour

@sidensvans67 6 ай бұрын

Blue rinse Starmer .. .. Proper Tory Boy .

@-i1007 5 ай бұрын

2:14 the dignity of work is straight out of joe biden’s playbook

@pranabdas8570 6 ай бұрын

Hope labour wins .

@khar12d8 6 ай бұрын

The middle class have become increasingly Labour. Parts of the working class have shifted to the right. If Starmer does actually boost trade union power/ workers rights etc... It would be interesting to see how parts of the middle class react to that i.e. business owners, middle mangers etc... I think part of the reason the middle class have become quite comfortable with Labour is because Labour often do not threaten them like old Labour was perceived as doing. But a Labour govt that boosts the power of trade unions, increasing the likelihood of strikes etc... May find it begins to lose some middle class support overtime.

@jakel8627 6 ай бұрын

Kier Starmer has changed the Labour Party and will achieve a lot while in office, but he's kind of become "populist-lite" and so I'm voting for the party I always vote for - Lib Dem 🔶️

@galatechsuts8877 6 ай бұрын

Giggity

@indefatigable8193 5 ай бұрын

4:17 I actually agree with this. And further, I think this is where the left is going.

@MrTzimisces 6 ай бұрын

Easy. Starmerism is a clone of Cameron & Osborne economics

@RegionalVariation 6 ай бұрын

These two are smoke blowers: insufficiently critical client journalists angling for cushy gigs over the next 4 years of a Labour government.

@Taporeee 6 ай бұрын

Power without Purpose

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

Starmers Labour more interested in accepting right wingers than left wingers

@georgesdelatour 6 ай бұрын

He's a Pabloist.

@thecrimsondragon9744 6 ай бұрын

I find Freddie incredibly attractive 😍❤

@SWCM-g2m 6 ай бұрын

What he stands for today will be different tomorrow.

@mariamorgan8447 6 ай бұрын

Narcissistic. He is Right Wing

@albertbrammer9263 6 ай бұрын

Would fit in Thatcher's cabinet.

@sfire8111 6 ай бұрын

How on earth can you call him right wing? He is an extremely centrist man with some minor left wing ideals. He is what the country needs after the Tories have been putting the country into continuous decline.

@markblance8492 6 ай бұрын

@@sfire8111Yeh, he’ll do the same as every Labour government, Spend to increase the feel good factor and tax raise poor sods who can be bothered to work…..!

@danielwebb8402 6 ай бұрын

He's proposing tax and spend fall to 40% GDP? Max was from 97-07. He's going to weaken "workers rights"? Reduce regulations generally? "Anyone right of me is right wing" is neither true or winning thoughg process.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

@@sfire8111 how is Labours continuation policy going to yelp our nation?

@DaraM73 6 ай бұрын

@cherylburrows1655 6 ай бұрын

Starmer is an opportunistic personality. Opportunistic can often be confused with being ruthless. He has lied and betrayed his way to become leader. If you vote him in to numbe 10 Downing Street you'll regret it

@BeccaWithers123 6 ай бұрын

What a load of waffle

@danielwebb8402 6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure about stand. But i know what he kneels for. Not the UK.

@NumberOfName 6 ай бұрын

He has turned Labour into UKIP which is why Elphicke has joined.

@AdastraRecordings 6 ай бұрын

I couldn't vote for anyone with a name that rhymes with Llama.

@ivanconnolly7332 6 ай бұрын

Keir stands for his Israeli handlers.

@drkseidis8055 6 ай бұрын

this is quite embarrassing 10/15 mins in

@archie7218 6 ай бұрын

We need someone more charismatic at these times who can bring people together. He is dull as dishwater and so uninspiring. Someone like Andy Burnham would be far better

@andybrice2711 6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure charisma is a good thing in politicians. It usually just helps distract from their ineptitude. Look at Boris Johnson. I think I'd prefer a country run by wonks and boring geeks.

@keithparker1346 6 ай бұрын

@@andybrice2711just a shame that Labour are both boring AND clueless

@romaix84 6 ай бұрын

I'm commenting on this so that I can come back this time next year and point out what a load of total shite this analysis is. Barely an inch deep, massively naive about how right wing and neoliberal Starmer is, completely myopic towards Lammys awful record on foreign policy (an even racism!) utterly impressionistic view on class. Watching this back after the betrayals come thick and fast will be as satisfying as it will be depressing. In fact the New Deal for Working People has already become 'unrecognisable' according to unions.