What Is The Difference Between A Bowling Ball Drilled Pin Up & Pin Down | Featuring 900 Global Zen!

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Luis Napoles

Luis Napoles

2 жыл бұрын

There's always been so many questions about pin up vs pin down and what the difference are and whatnot. In this video I took two 900 Global Zen's and drilled them 30x4.5x30 and 30x4.5x75 to se what the differences are ON THE LANE!
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@aaronjames3375
@aaronjames3375 2 жыл бұрын
The shot at the 12:45 mark won me over. Sir you just convinced me to buy a pin-down Zen and to subscribe to your channel. Phenomenal video, can't wait to watch more!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aaron!! Welcome to the club!!
@michaelsnyder3577
@michaelsnyder3577 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your reactions to shots. You crack me up man. A wealth of knowledge while still being comical and entertaining. Perfect amount of shots with explanations as well. Pure gold baby!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Michael! I still really love bowling!
@georgeweier2108
@georgeweier2108 15 күн бұрын
Yes, I like that because sometimes you just move left so much that when you have a pin down ball, you don’t have to move so left and you can start to work the ball the way it should be worked. I think that’s great. I had a grip that newest one and I had a pin up and I just had to move Sometimes 10 boards over or 11 boards over to make that ball hit the way it should, and I drilled with the pin down and I haven’t really gotten used to it yet. You have also made me take a ball the Zen with the pin down because I saw the way you threw that ball. You went more straight with the pin down and sometimes you need that with the way the pattern is and I think this is very educational. I enjoy it and, it’s always good to see your videos on the new ball that are coming out. I love them because you really explain everything about it and the corrections you make later on I listen to them too and I’m very glad that you do that you’re just a great instructor to help me along in my flight through Bowling because I never took professional lessons and I followed decent game but not something that I would be really proud of, but they have a lot of recking to do with me. I can bow at 2:20 or 230 and then I can roll in 160 so that’s my problem.
@brianhainey9452
@brianhainey9452 2 жыл бұрын
More educational videos?...YES! Pin Up vs Pin Down battle is amazing to see in any popular/league ball. Do a video on how to find PAP without a ProSect...Just tape & your phone's video camera! Keep up the good work Luis! You're make a difference sir!!!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that!! I’ll work on some more videos!
@MasterGunz84
@MasterGunz84 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, awesome video on the pin up & pin down on the Zen, great layouts on both zen, and info on surface. Been eying the zen for a good minute, now I’m going to get one! Thank You 🙏🏼 😊🤙🏽
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you love it like I have! Use the link in my bio to support the channel!
@slip309
@slip309 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a really great explanation Luis! I appreciate you breaking some of these concepts down into simple terms. I have a pin up Infamous and a pin down Black Widow Ghost and thinking back over some games yesterday, I can see what you mean about layout affecting ball motion (obviously sim/asim and cover stock make a HUGE difference as well). Keep up the great work!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you liked it! I am just trying to break things down as simple as possible!
@muttsbutts
@muttsbutts 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Luis. One could definitely see the ball motion differences in each ball. Thanks for explaining the ball motion, of these lay-outs, and how those motions can be beneficial to in-game situations. I too have a pin up and pin down drill of the same ball, and I'll have to re-evaluate those balls. 👊🖖✌
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Yea! Figure them out and see how they can help your game!
@DanceVids
@DanceVids 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this video. The pin down really rolled smooth and shaped well on the lane. I have a pin down Trend 2 and it's similar finishing ball for me. Keep up the great videos. Thanks again!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Chad! Thanks for the support!
@T.H.4219
@T.H.4219 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Luis I really enjoy the content in the video and I hope you would do more videos in the future like this because I enjoy a pin down layout.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely definitely will !
@RogaBigCalves
@RogaBigCalves 2 жыл бұрын
Great video overall. Just wanted to say your swing is definitely looking smoother lately. Keep up the good work.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! I have a long way to go but we'll get there!
@MrMice...
@MrMice... 2 жыл бұрын
Recent subscriber, really enjoy your vids and appreciate the upload frequency. One thing I'd like to see on any bowler channel, would be a PIP in bottom corner of a closer/zoomed-in shot of the break/flip/hook point (whatever you want to call it). Bright mixed colored balls are easier to see but always thought it'd be fun to see the "action" of ball up close. Of course that might mean more equipment and editing but just throwing it out there. Keep up the great work.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I can try to work that into my videos!
@billfleming8281
@billfleming8281 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice job explaining the differences , thx !
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!!
@joelosurdo4858
@joelosurdo4858 2 жыл бұрын
Great job explaining the numbers difference on both layouts. Pin down was money in your hand on that condition! Keep up the good work!!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Joe!
@cozzi67
@cozzi67 2 жыл бұрын
a great simple explanation of pin down vs pin up ..amazing how many players still get this the wrong way around. I have a new Zen - pin down - but I didn't like the shape - lots of "wobbles" when moving left ... so I put a 1000/4000 surface on it ... much better now
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@usafvet5602
@usafvet5602 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Luis....very informative.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@chrishuffman3030
@chrishuffman3030 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video... a pin-up and pin-down Nova, or a Gem video would be interesting. Love the educational videos. You do a great job explaining the details and not making them too complicated.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
In this video I was reviewing them Gem and I have a pin up one and a pin down one as well kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIGXfYCvf715ibs
@Been_Crafty
@Been_Crafty Жыл бұрын
This helps me out a lot! Thank you. I have the Zen Soul and sometimes I hate how early it reads so this helps me understand better
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
im glad this helped!
@tated9350
@tated9350 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone made it so clear for me to understand
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
YES!!! I'm so glad you can understand it! Thanks for sharing that with me!
@Footymadog
@Footymadog Жыл бұрын
Always come back to your content mate. Getting a zen delivered in the next day or two. I,m going to get it pin down as I have a pin up Phaze 4. Hoping they compliment each other. Cheers mate.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
I hope you love it!!
@mackhudson7351
@mackhudson7351 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video! You're straight up $$ with that pin down Zen in zone 2!!!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mack! I am def trying here!
@georgeweier9710
@georgeweier9710 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Zen with the pin down I know you had it at 70 but my pro said oh I wouldn’t go that far so he said it at 40 so I’m still enjoying the gym paying up and I’m waiting for a chance to use the Zen pen down and I’ll do that at practice and I enjoy your your educational videos very much showing me where you throw it and how are you throw it and moving left to right really helps me a lot thank you
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
The 40 put your pin down?
@jimcosshaveden5259
@jimcosshaveden5259 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have only had 1 pin down ball. It was an OG Melee with a 1" pin with a weight hole. Loved that ball. With my high track my PSO is afraid to drill pin down for me due to possibly clipping the thumb hole. Keep up the good work buddy!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the holes!
@billylusk7207
@billylusk7207 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and explanation. I would like to see more educational videos, like about the fronts being burned up, how to read what your ball is doing, etc.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@stormb28
@stormb28 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this out. TOO MANY PROSHOPS out here slap a pin up layout on a ball and still thinks it “goes long an flips” pin up balls are actually earlier.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Soooooooooo many shops do that! With not a lot of education out there!
@StacyCrapo
@StacyCrapo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@FamilyKicks
@FamilyKicks 2 жыл бұрын
Great content bro and I want to see more layouts on bowling balls👍👍
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that! More to come!
@jimlogan2610
@jimlogan2610 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video on Pin up and Pin down on the Global Zen. Love to see this on the new Storm Infinite Physix and the Global 900 Wolverine Dark Moss. Please show us the board ##'s you start on for your feet and the board ##'s you are targeting. You Rock. Best Videos I have ever seen on bowling. Keep up the great work.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
I did this on the gem a while back. It’s hard to get 2 of every ball! Though I want to
@braig8481
@braig8481 2 жыл бұрын
Form lookin effortless brotha👍👍👍
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
TRYING!!!!
@keithjuchem2528
@keithjuchem2528 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I would love to see the Gem in this format.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Its not the same format but in this video I am comparing a pin up gem to a pin down gem! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIGXfYCvf715ibs
@fanoir9030
@fanoir9030 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pin up zen that looks more or less like the placement you have on your pin up zen and I personally love it. Thank you for the comparison vid!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so good !
@thomasgorman1535
@thomasgorman1535 2 жыл бұрын
Being, before knee and shoulder, 190s average and after surgeries well below, I only had one assistant pro shop serviceman watch how I threw to make suggestions. I had one who tried to help me with my middle finger issue. RH, finger was injured at 1½ years old. Starting from hand first joint is normal and straight, to the next joint my finger goes right about 5°, then from last joint finger goes goes left about 5° with a slight twist cw. It seems in my area, unless you're considered a premiere bowler, few have time for you. This is why I really enjoy informative demonstrations like yours. I love the data and explanations and examples that go with it. Speaking for me and other bowlers like me who enjoy bowling and the science are starving for more like you did here. It would be great to see you show the very basics through the adjustments of ball selection examples, bowling strategies, and ball and hand adjustments with real demos along with the numbers and science, please. Now regarding my middle finger issue above, if you know a bowler, coach, or pro shop operator, I wonder if you could get me some advice, recommendations of how I should proceed. The last finger joint is starting to get arthritis with pain, after I've finished my set and it lasts days now. I had a pro shop operator try a pitch change for it, but no relief. Should I change it to a conventional finger hole, or plug it and drill a hole for index and/or pinky finger, or drill the 2 fingers with one hole to try and get relief. I've been able to make changes through all my injuries and surgeries. I love bowling and perish the thought of quiting because I can't make a work around. Any thoughts or suggestion are appreciated. Thank you for your demo, and hoping it's not your last. ThomG
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
It definitely will not be my last!! Thanks for the support!
@JLH_LetsPlay
@JLH_LetsPlay 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, please do more educational type videos. I usually start out with my Obsession (pin up) because it's more aggressive through the fresh oil, as the oil starts to go away I switch to my Black Widow 2.0 (pin down) to the end. I love watching my BW 2.0 go down the lanes because it looks so smooth and graceful and it's so easy to control. I actually prefer the pin down overall.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I def wanna do more of these educational type videos! Thanks for sharing that!
@7803bigart
@7803bigart 2 жыл бұрын
Yes these videos are great for reference.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@danlorwil083175
@danlorwil083175 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a pin up (70 x 3.5" x 20) vs pin down (40 x 4.25" x 75) comparison with an asymmetrical like the Altered Reality. Also, how about demonstrating a short pin layout on either the Altered Reality or the Zen (ex: 90 x 2.25" x 45, 90 x 1.25" x 45) as compared to a standard pin up layout (ex: 70 x 3.5" x 20, 45 x 4" x 35).
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Dam thats a lot of balls to drill LOL
@dansbowling8879
@dansbowling8879 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles +1 to the AR but i already entered my vote for the Helios...lol
@clintonkahler2082
@clintonkahler2082 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles maybe let us know what you have pin up and we can say oh do this one pin down or vice versa...do you have a normal preference?? All my balls have been pin up after watching this I think I need to consider a few pin down...thanks for the good content 👍👏
@GoGoated_
@GoGoated_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yes or even the gem
@williampiscitello6394
@williampiscitello6394 Жыл бұрын
Could you do this with a Proton Physics? I have a pin down Zen, love it
@kylemc8851
@kylemc8851 2 жыл бұрын
Super helpful vid! Your slide is butter!! Proton, P2 or Pha4e would be cool!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Always working on it!
@carlriley6403
@carlriley6403 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and y7es that pin down did look great, I never use to use a pin down layout but over the last few years I think I like them much more than pin up
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@shoobybikes1728
@shoobybikes1728 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Lou!! My son got the same reactions with his pin up and pin down Altered Reality. He has been looking for something that would get down the lane rather than always reading to early and the pin down was his favorite. Check out his review at 2 Handed Ball Reviews. Keep it up Lou!!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Will do!
@joewiencek7360
@joewiencek7360 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting I just ordered the hustle camo and been wondering how to drill it. I might go pin down. I would love to see pin up pin down vid on the camo!! Great video
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I need to throw that ball more!
@mikecolon3489
@mikecolon3489 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!!..Really like that pin down motion. Would like to see this comparison on the original Reality. I'm very interested in what the pin down motion on it would look like. Appreciate the visual explanation!!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I dont have one an a reality but I have it on a roto grip gem if that helps! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIGXfYCvf715ibs
@ITZxxterrell02
@ITZxxterrell02 2 жыл бұрын
I suggest doing a phaze 2 and Zen with a little surface comparison. For me they are similar but compliment really well. Love the video brotha.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@michaelw_yee
@michaelw_yee 2 жыл бұрын
Ive only drilled one ball in my arsenal pin down but loving it so far. Way more controlled and i can play straighter longer. Definitely gonna drill more balls pin down in the future
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Yea I mean its all about what kinda motion you're looking for! Surface will always be the biggest factor but the layout can def help!
@autodoson1
@autodoson1 Жыл бұрын
Now I know. Up vs Down can be relative to surface. As a beginner to advanced bowler I do agree with the surface and hand position aspect of bowling. Glad I watched this video before I began creating my new arsenal. I will definitely consider having a pin down ball for my house bowling league shot. Thank you Very Much.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
I’m glad this could help!!
@stellaraudioaz
@stellaraudioaz 2 жыл бұрын
My pin down Rogue Assassin is my go to when I need a ball to be a little slower off the spot. Love the motion I get.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Been a long time since I seen you comment on here James!
@Skeer0
@Skeer0 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish I watched this video before drilling my new HyRoad. I told the pro shop staff I wanted a smoother more predictable finish that would react a little bit further down lane and they ended up drilling it pin up a good 3 inches above my right ring finger...this ball now seems to react almost immediately as it hits the lane and seems very bad for my style.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Knowledge is power!
@markbroad119
@markbroad119 Жыл бұрын
Did they still your ball wrong? Sounds exactly opposite of what you wanted
@Skeer0
@Skeer0 Жыл бұрын
@@markbroad119 yeah they said "you don't want a pin down ball, trust me"
@hotshoer916
@hotshoer916 8 ай бұрын
All the vids ive seen say do not drill symetrical ball pin down without a balance hole.
@nickbabin5884
@nickbabin5884 2 жыл бұрын
Keep these Educational video's up, I would say ball motion is more or less covered across KZbin, I find lane surface and those affects along with how the oil machines work aren't clearly explained any where's, ball motion, drilling, surface, ball maintenance and the main topics I feel are covered, but lanes, lane oils, oil machines are covered almost no where's! Keep up the good work!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll keep ‘em coming!
@MetalCityShadow
@MetalCityShadow 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, super helpful! Would be interesting to see pin up and pin down on an asymmetric ball.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll work on that! Thanks!!
@BlazersAreAwesome
@BlazersAreAwesome 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, it'd be great if you did an overview video on ball maintenance. What you use to clean your balls (if you do) before you put them away, how you deoil your ball, when/if to resurface it, etc.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I can def work on that!
@bowlerpba1
@bowlerpba1 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Pedro!!
@Inquire703
@Inquire703 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, more videos with pin up and pin down. Very educational. Do you think hand movement create the same ball motion down the lane?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Not really sure!
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
The best technical aspect of the video was showing how the large val angle "tightens" up the flare rings. It would be interesting to see a video showing the flare ring difference due strictly to pin length.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I could try!
@gofortyninerss
@gofortyninerss 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, you put out the best ball reviews and I particularly like this one. All of my balls are pin up as is my Zen. I'm thinking maybe I'll try pin down on my next ball. Aiming on getting a Gem to complement my pin up Reality.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that!!!
@williamlassiter9673
@williamlassiter9673 Жыл бұрын
Hey Luis, hope you are well. So sorry for being late to this video love the info you presented. Would love to see if you could do one for the Motiv blue tanks as I have one of each. Again I know I am late but really trying to learn this game as I have more time to dedicate to learning as much on the lanes as off. Be blessed
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 7 ай бұрын
So I’m on staff with 900 global so I’m only allowed to throw global storm and Roto
@marvellbinnamin7960
@marvellbinnamin7960 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video and the information. If possible can you do a pin up, pin down comparison with the Reality thanks and keep up the good work.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I can try!
@gregkelly2971
@gregkelly2971 2 жыл бұрын
great stuff as always, i would love to see a video with the black cherry tropical surge hybrid with surface change. For me being such a high rev bowler im relagated to extreamly high rg balls and even a ball like the camo is to much most of the time. Also there is just like a lack of any sort of review for that ball and it being a low priced hybrid i would love to see you review it.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
If I drilled one it would be mostly useless :(
@kevinbartley2362
@kevinbartley2362 9 ай бұрын
Great video. I would like to see this comparison with the purple hammer.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 7 ай бұрын
The diff on that ball is so low it wouldn’t make much of a difference
@douglaskonas2852
@douglaskonas2852 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info and bonus shots Luis! I’m thinking an asymmetrical pearl like the Altered would be interesting to compare. Also, I use the Gem on my fresh house shot. What would you suggest to get into once they break down? I’m thinking a pin down Zen is the ticket!😉
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna try an altered pin down!
@douglaskonas2852
@douglaskonas2852 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles Thanks for you replies! What would you suggest on burnt house conditions after the Gem? Thinking a pin down Zen but worried it would be too reactive. Need to make a purchase from your link and would like a suggestion. Wolverine?
@flinch622
@flinch622 Жыл бұрын
The best explanation of this... comes from the bowling ball itself: moving oil rings are proof of axis migration. Pin up or down changes that behavior/bowtie pattern, and as mentioned rg differences between drilled balls will hook differently. Initial throw begins at a point of instability, and the art is how best to match that to lane conditions - it shows up in the flare pattern. Personally, I am plagued with low axis tilt, that often means pin down is more forgiving.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
Yup!
@ALFAJERKBFH
@ALFAJERKBFH 11 ай бұрын
Awesome vid 👍 I recently got into bowling again and I bought a black widow 2.0 hybrid (pin up). Then I bought a black widow legend (pin down), because I'm hooked on bowling. I even got a pink Widow urethane drilled for my left hand. I've bowled lefty a bunch of times before, but not with a hook. I want to hook it now.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@bned-hv3of
@bned-hv3of 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great vid. Would like to see this with the Reality if possible.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I did it with the Gem if that helps?
@SirGenesis206
@SirGenesis206 4 ай бұрын
I’m just seeing this video now as I’m trying to get back into bowling and actually learn the technical/science side of the game. I’m 1000% a pin down bowler. I’m a high rev bowler and every strong ball lives in Brooklyn for me so anything I can do to make a ball a little weaker is a win for me lol
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 4 ай бұрын
High rev players will love the pin down motion!
@molockridge8696
@molockridge8696 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pin down zen and I definitely see where there’s more room to miss. Seems to hold midland really well when missing in, at least for me
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Yea I love it on house so much!
@curtispetit986
@curtispetit986 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, you do some great videos on your channel. You have a bunch of videos where your equipment is drilled pin up or pin down. What about a drilling where the pin is level with the fingers? What kind of differences would you get out of that?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not 100% sure on this but I imagine it would be more neutral
@Norsebowling
@Norsebowling 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Could you do a dark code pin up and pin down?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have a pin down dark code unfortunately 😭😭
@willywoon88
@willywoon88 2 жыл бұрын
@Luis Napoles Great video! Can do a video on how to differentiate ball motion such as hooking early in the release as it looked similar to me?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I dont really know how I would do that. To me in re watching this video its pretty clear the differences
@StephenLella
@StephenLella 2 жыл бұрын
This is super useful! I'd like to see these comparisons with some tape on the ball, to see how it rolls. Also, could you do this with asym solids? I'd love to see the differences of a pin up vs pin down Reality.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Oh smart! I like that!
@douglaskonas2852
@douglaskonas2852 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen, check out Luis’ Gem vid…he does a pin up/down breakdown.
@aaronspringborn34
@aaronspringborn34 Жыл бұрын
Hi, yes please. I need your advice on something as much as this is a fascinating topic of bowling balls as a science for me as a beginner. I want my first custom bowling ball. I’ll probably get a storm I want something that is versatile and I can control it and I want to go straight. I’d like to eventually in time learn how to hook the ball which one would you recommend and why for future videos just like this for pin up and pin down how should my first bowling ball be? My favorite ones that you reviewed and I like are the phase II and the pitch black pinup and pin down video please
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
check out the Zen or Phaze 2
@justinedward81
@justinedward81 2 жыл бұрын
Like the info and was helpful thank you. I been using in league, Code Red by Storm and a Rubicon by Roto Grip. Might not like too, but would be nice to see some about those balls.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to! But they are discontinued and I do T have them:(
@justinedward81
@justinedward81 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, id let you use mine but i need them. I look forward to more videos from you. Also my girlfriend is on my team for league and she uses the zen master
@Alldayertexas
@Alldayertexas 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Pin down if I was through one-handed. I'm guessing for a two-hander that would be a short pin maybe. Still enjoyed watching and love your content. Great job
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Robert!
@clintharris8818
@clintharris8818 Жыл бұрын
Just picked up a new PD zen ❤️❤️
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
NICE!
@oldmancank4174
@oldmancank4174 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Maybe the nova would be good to see
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna drill a second Nova!
@oldmancank4174
@oldmancank4174 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles that would give u a good reason to lol
@sneedtw
@sneedtw 2 жыл бұрын
really good info, I did not think the pin down would look better from zone three but it did would have loved to see you go another zone are two to really push the limits so we could see the difference I think maybe the pin up would win another zone left but I don't know?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
That pin down Zen has been 💰💰💰
@rodennis418
@rodennis418 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this taken one step further adding long and short pin layouts. (maybe 900G would help with some Reality Checks for that super comparison?) :)
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
Yea I’m working on that!
@JonnieHollywood
@JonnieHollywood 2 жыл бұрын
As you stated, pin up vs pin down affects motion minimally. Change surface to get the reaction you want.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Facts!
@georgeweier2108
@georgeweier2108 15 күн бұрын
Yes, you should do that with different balls to see how it affects different balls but that’s a good idea
@WN-ff4qb
@WN-ff4qb Жыл бұрын
Hello Luis. I'm 66 returning to bowling after 42 years. When I bowled a lot, I had a Dick Weber All Star drilled conventional. Having lived in Europe the last 40 years I had to give up bowling because of the dearth of alleys. I'm now retired and want to start up again. The technological advances are mind boggling! Thanks for the clear explanation of pin up / down drilling patters w/o being too technical. The lanes here (in Switzerland) are really dry (oiled once a week, if deemed necesary!), so I'm thinking of buying either a Storm Tropical Surge or a Brunswick Twister drilled pin down conventional. Any thoughts? Thanks again and keep on making videos.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
Yea those weaker balls will definitely be advantageous
@WN-ff4qb
@WN-ff4qb Жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles Thanks for the imput! It's good to have confirmation that I'm on the right track.
@janetburrell6513
@janetburrell6513 2 жыл бұрын
I've never tried pin down but really like it here. Can you do a video like this with the blue coral venom?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
After I left Motiv I signed with 900 Global so I’m only allowed to throw balls in the SPI umbrella
@robertfoor3309
@robertfoor3309 Жыл бұрын
I learned my pin down may help me when the transition takes place in the second game. . MAYBE MY DARK CODE is amazing in the first and third game but I lose tin the second game. Hope to try it
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
Transition is the hardest part of bowling!
@gregm7362
@gregm7362 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, would love to see you do this comparison between a Proton Physics pin up and pin down. I’m with you and like a smoother ball on the back, but I don’t want to lose the strength in the Proton Physics. Thanks in advance!
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Challenge accepted
@gregm7362
@gregm7362 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles Thank you so much Luis! Because of your quick response, I’m going to wait to get mine punched so I know which way to go from your review. You do outstanding work and I appreciate you!
@CasualGamerPlays
@CasualGamerPlays 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! This helps a lot, as i've asked so many people about this and no one could answer this question. Most of my bowling balls are pin up and go long which is what i've been told. From your video though, i'm guessing that is incorrect??
@bastardiniho
@bastardiniho 2 жыл бұрын
the term "goes long" is relative. Oil amount, rotation, speed exact pin distance to PAP, the list goes on. The point of the video is to show you what a pin down would do differently for you or vice versa. if you feel l ike your pin up goes "long" and flips as it is, drilling another the same but pin down would make it have a tendency to be even cleaner through the front going even longer before it flips, and possibly give you a smoother shape once it did.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I pin up drilling will increase the Diff of the ball which will make the ball hook more which will make the ball respond faster to the friction. Which actually makes it earlier
@dansbowling8879
@dansbowling8879 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a Helios comparison. I am waiting to get my Helios drilled and not sure what to go with. I'm looking for something a little more controllable when everything is over/under and that might work on a longer challenge pattern
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Try the down one with a strong pin to pap
@pg9831
@pg9831 2 жыл бұрын
What is your PAP Luis? I'm guessing around 4 over, 1/2 up?...Consider a straighter up the back release for high track bowlers along with your normal lower track release to help ppl see a reaction difference with pin up vs pin down in future videos. Always good stuff 👍
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I am 4.25 over by 1/8 up
@cwagner4704
@cwagner4704 Жыл бұрын
I love this , my gem is pin up and my other balls are drilled with the ring finger hole being right into the pin mark, ( does that make it neither up nor down)? But when I get my Zen I’m thinking I may wanna go pin down. Your explanation and comparison video are super and they make it easier to comprehend.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!!
@roycealbanyeden
@roycealbanyeden 2 жыл бұрын
Look into getting a run cam with a 25 mm lens and set up to watch the lane. This camera is already zoomed in and will help with seeing the Ball down lane
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Who’s gonna pay for that?! 😂😂😂
@roycealbanyeden
@roycealbanyeden 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles thankfully they aren't too expensive. I think under 200
@roycealbanyeden
@roycealbanyeden 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles I bought one years ago for another hobby and it works really well
@machinethesun9243
@machinethesun9243 2 жыл бұрын
I've never had a pin down ball, but I'm wondering if I'd like my Helios more if it was pin down... or at the very least, I'd get more use out of it if it was. If you do another video like this, could you do it with a solid ball on a lane that has had some play on it already. Thanks for your videos.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I can def work on that!
@aidigitalmarketing46
@aidigitalmarketing46 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, My bowling coach taught me Pin Down is just above the THUMB - HOLE. There is a big advantage. The ball hooks the same but it holds the line as it rolls to the pocket, the ball will never over hook. Paul Klanecky
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
That’s to generic cause it’s based on pin to pap
@aidigitalmarketing46
@aidigitalmarketing46 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles What does pin to pap means ? I heard its because the softness of the ball. Very confusing
@ASUWoody
@ASUWoody 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a comparison like this… Pin Down Asym vs Pin Down Sym Pin Up Asym vs Pin Up Sym For ball motion comparisons
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@michaelfinley9988
@michaelfinley9988 2 жыл бұрын
So Luis, great video. Would having two of the same ball, one pin-up and one pin-down only be advantageous for the elite bowlers…say 220-230 average bowlers? I am a 200 average bowler and for me I am not consistent enough to justify buying two of the same ball. I’d rather have an entirely different ball to produce a different look. Now, I may drill another ball pin down for a certain lane condition. I have never drilled a pin down ball, so I am curious if I would notice any difference. May try it next time. Thanks Luis for another great vid. 👍
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider myself an ELITE bowler and I find it very advantageous. See here's my thing if I LOVE the Zen then drilling another one can give me a different look with a ball you already know you love!
@paulbass5955
@paulbass5955 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video. Could you do the Nuclear Cell? Pin up vs pin down?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have oke and since it’s discontinued I don’t have access to one
@paulbass5955
@paulbass5955 2 жыл бұрын
Ok I just thought I'd ask, everything I own is pin up, and my brother got me a IQ Tour Nano Pearl for Christmas and it cracked with less than 20 games on it, but he gave me his Nuclear Cell and it's a pin down and I would have liked to see a comparison, Thanks anyway and I enjoy all your videos
@airammitchell682
@airammitchell682 2 жыл бұрын
Love for you to show people same 2/3 numbers and change remaining. So VAL angle or pin buffer is done here. Now keep pin to pap and val same then change drill angle. Then finish with just changing pin to pap
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to do that but man thats a lot of bowling balls to drill lol
@airammitchell682
@airammitchell682 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles thats fair! Figured you'd need to drill like 1 more zen with a different pin to pap and then 1 other ball that is an asym to adjust drill angle. But after writing that I realize that is a lot haha
@machinethesun9243
@machinethesun9243 2 жыл бұрын
One more question please: can you describe what type of bowlers benefit from pin up and pin down? For example, what is best for speed dominant vs. rev dominant or does it matter? What about someone who is matched up? And what about pattern length? Does it matter on a 39 house shot vs. a 44 foot?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
All bowlers can. Bowling balls are tools and we have to use them at the right time!
@brandonrobinson7517
@brandonrobinson7517 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't mind seeing a pin up vs pin down on the nova
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
That would be dope!
@davidseeburger8448
@davidseeburger8448 2 жыл бұрын
I think I like the pin down. Yes I like your videos.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
Me too!!!
@donrichter9859
@donrichter9859 2 жыл бұрын
Luis, in one of your prior videos (6/24/21) titled "Why I hardly (hardly, hardly) ever drill a ball pin down", you did not like pin down because it lowered the differential and could not be adjusted with a weight/balance hole as they were no longer allowed as of 8/1/20. Just curious, weight/balance holes are still illegal, so what has changed your feelings in now liking pin down?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
My rev rate is substantially higher now than it was before!
@jeremiegrund
@jeremiegrund 2 жыл бұрын
It’s also helpful to have a core with higher diff to start with when looking at pin down.
@jakester4022
@jakester4022 2 жыл бұрын
Thereafter a lot of talk about the idol helios and storm phase 4. I'd be interested in those two pin up and pin down. Like better ? I like whatever is striking the most lol
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I want a pin down Helios I think!
@dangriffiths1392
@dangriffiths1392 Жыл бұрын
I'd personally like to see it with the Hammer Infamous, just because it's such a strong symmetrical. But I'm getting it drilled tomorrow, so I guess I'll find out before you ever get to it... ;-)
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
I can say with 10000000% confidence that I will never throw that ball again 😂
@Rocketman9mm
@Rocketman9mm Жыл бұрын
I have an old cyclone fireball from ebonite that i use with pretty much the shot of your first shot at 3:08. It's pretty well dead so I'm looking to replace it. I'm thinking about getting a phaze II or a black widow 2.0 hybrid. would those work? I tend to like a smoother hook so should I go pin down?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
smoother ball def the P2
@tnjrcfl1
@tnjrcfl1 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. How about the Nova? Mines pin up and really considering a pin down. I know selfish but hey you asked bro 😆 🤣
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I like my pin up nova!
@mikedavis9326
@mikedavis9326 2 жыл бұрын
great video! i'm curious if this layout works the same with no thumb bowlers?!
@ThePacerTest
@ThePacerTest 2 жыл бұрын
I would also like to know! Most educational video ive watched in months lol
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
For no thumbers I would lean towards the 2LS system
@mikedavis9326
@mikedavis9326 2 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend a 4x4x4 2LS to start on this Gem? Would that be a good starting point?
@carpetmagicofwilson
@carpetmagicofwilson Жыл бұрын
Just watched this video i'm new to bowling so i went to my local alley and bought a ball had it drilled, after watching your video looked at my ball my pin is to the right of my finger hole. What does that mean ?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles Жыл бұрын
Whats the layout numbers ?
@mystikalous
@mystikalous 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do the same video with the Storm Nova?
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I want to!
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