What Is The Difference Between Fearful Avoidant & Dismissive Avoidant Deactivation

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In this video, I talk about the difference between fearful avoidant and dismissive avoidant's deactivation patterns and where they come from.
What are some deactivating patterns you have been able to observe in yourself?
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[@nickbarbosa21]

Thank you for everything PDS! If the whole world took the time to understand, learn, and work on themselves like the people in this community do this world would be a MUCH better place. Very grateful for Thais!

[@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool]

Thanks for such a thoughtful comment NIck :)

[@repentjesusiscomingsoon1529]

@@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool I have a question: If a Fearful Avoidant were to date a Secure Attachment person, would it help to heal them, or what??

[@howtosober]

RE: DA vs. FA deactivation: In my experience, DAs deactivate any time there's a conflict where they're not getting their way or over an issue brought up by the other person. When this happens enough, the DA deactivates hundreds of little times on a daily basis until their partner can't take it anymore and leaves, or the DA just lives in their narrative about the relationship instead of checking in to the reality and deactivates themselves right out the door. On the other hand, FAs usually lean in to their anxious side with a DA and activate over and over trying to fix the relationship until they're fed up with continually being disregarded. Then they deactivate with a hard shutdown and decide that they're done putting *any* work into this relationship until the DA proves themselves by making up for all the one-sidedness the FA feels. If the DA doesn't take that cue to pick up the slack and restore balance, the FA is done forever. Even if they stay after that point, (like for the kids) they're pretty much checked out of the relationship for good.

[@aspegel5281]

What's weird to me is how my DA's perception can twist and be thrown back at me to become my fault. Like his memories change to fit his narrative. Almost like his mind cannot accept the truth, so it makes something up so that he doesn't face his core wounds of being in the wrong and being accountable for it. It's amazing (as you commented before) how many narcissistic tendencies DAs have. When I came to PDS, I was trying to figure out whether he was a narcissist or DA. I come to find that narcs do things intentionally, and DAs do them subconsciously. Then I sat back and thought - I can't read his mind, so I don't know if he's intentionally doing these things. The one thing he does have is empathy, so that may be the indication that he isn't a narc??? I don't know. All I know is it's so dang frustrating dealing with him. LOL

[@howtosober]

@@aspegel5281 Seriously, just run from DAs altogether. It's not even worth TRYING to make it work, the juice simply is not worth the squeeze. Unless the DA is actively working their ass off to become a former DA- which they will not do just because you ask them- there is only one way to win with a DA and that's to completely abandon everything you need and want in a relationship and accept that you'll never get any of it from them. The FA or AP partner does all the work while the DA sits back and demands their way. Any time they don't get their way they hold the whole relationship hostage by disappearing until they "feel better." It's like having a relationship with a spoiled toddler. They have absolutely no room for another person's existence, feelings, or needs whatsoever, so don't bother thinking you'll be able to resolve conflicts with them- they'll just turn anything you say around on you and make it all about them. It doesn't matter what a good communicator you are, anything that confronts their behavior in even the gentlest way is "criticism" in their world. They'll sulk their way through Christmases, birthdays, and events that are important to you or simply not show up at all if they "don't feel like it," punishing you for "making them go" if they do show up. Promises they make disappear into thin air as soon as those promises become inconvenient to how they feel or what they want, but don't dare hold them to their word because you're "not respecting their space." They spend the entire relationship competing with you and preoccupied with their "space," never appreciating the relationship at all, but then getting mad at you when you stop giving. They take and take all of the love you have to give and give nothing back. When the FA or AP finally starts setting firmer boundaries and telling the DA "no" to doing all the work in the relationship, the DA gets vindictive and spiteful and sabotages everything, leaving their exhausted partner to clean up their messes while they walk away with no consequences or remorse. Many times they will pull stunts like moving out without telling you or just ghost you altogether. However they leave, it will be like you never mattered to them at all. And you will never ever get an apology or any accountability from a DA. Not ever. FAs and APs, do yourselves a favor and just heal yourself, then go find someone secure. Leave DAs to work their shit out alone- or with each other. If you're going to bang your head against that wall trying to make it work with a DA you might as well just go be with a narcissist. There isn't much of a difference.

[@brownsuga929]

@@ariggle77 this made me so sad genuinely. It's sad how they sabotage themselves out of beautiful loving connections. There is nothing more humbling to me than someone who loves me trying to understand me. You can't take that for granted especially in today's world. It's a blessing. I'm FA and the man I love with my entire soul is DA. And I had to leave him. After therapy and the videos It's just not the love I want. I don't want superficial surface. He'll probably never forgive me and that's ok. Crying daily was pure torture.

[@Andersj13]

You are 100% correct!

[@katieandnick4113]

@@aspegel5281 we are told that narcissists do crappy things knowingly, but I disagree. Narcissists are incredibly lacking in self awareness, and depending on how they see themselves, they are likely incapable of perceiving that they’re ever in the wrong. It makes victims of narcissistic abuse feel better to think that the narcissist is some evil, malevolent monster who is totally in control of what they’re doing. Some may be, but most are not. If they do something objectively terrible, it’s because they had no choice; you made them do it. They wouldn’t have done it if you had been a better person(in their minds).

[@adamwood87]

1:48 starts.

[@rosestewart1606]

I am most definitely FA. I deactivate so quickly and so easily that I've been told you can see the change in my face. It's a self defence mechanism to prevent getting hurt....as soon as feelings become too intense, I get scared that it will end. I mistakenly think that I'm better off alone. I didn't realize any of this until this summer, because of my involvement with another FA. It has also held me back in my career and my studies. there are so many things I could have done if I had believed in myself, but I never felt like I was enough or had the ability to cope.

[@ombra711]

Its so surreal to me that my youth spent in a household where my dad was always traveling and my mom worked nights as a nurse and wasn't able to be there completely during the day, created in me a coping mechanism that flares up and threatens to keep me in that childhood state of solitude. Its bitteersweet, the knowing.

[@joe-mama6451]

I heard a therapist say “the goal of parenting should be that your kids only need 5 years of therapy and not 20” because there is no perfect parent. Even fully self aware parents will mess up. Human condition. I heard a another quote the other day: “It’s possible for your parents to have done the best that they knew how to do AND for their approach to have really messed you up or caused you legitimate pain”.

[@xiao__mao2796]

The beginning is not always placed in childhood, a later past relationship can also break them

[@RobinSentell]

A good thing about a lifetime membership is that growth is linear. Sometimes you need a break away from PDS in order to apply the theories. Then when you come back things come together much better

[@lifecoachingtoronto]

When someone is so unpredictable it makes sense why some people will just push someone as far away as possible

[@bennyton2560]

but also it's worth asking if the FA's expectation of "predictable" is even valid?

[@lifecoachingtoronto]

What do you mean?@@bennyton2560

[@OneYellowFlower]

“I don’t really need anything from them anyways” 😂 I relate

[@smileyface702]

I definitely relate to the DA a lot, but I'm still FA. Especially apparent in my romantic relationships, which I tend to avoid, because the intensity and volatility is so triggering.

[@pickleandmayo]

I’m the same. I’m FA leaning DA. I’ve been single for so long because relationships trigger such an anxious spiral and it takes me FOREVER to get over the damage. I do get lonely but I’m so much more emotionally regulated when I don’t have someone messing with my head, so I just steer clear. I think being with someone who is a secure, honest, clear communicator would be so healing but I don’t seem to attract them but I’m working on it.

[@wanderingseth]

​@@pickleandmayo Even if we could attract them, we could NEVER keep them, because we're too much hard work

[@kylaevans5928]

It hurts to be with an avoidant. Constantly feeling like they just dont care. Im an anxious attatched & need a lot of reassurance that he couldn’t give. I loved him more than anyone in this world but i had to walk away cos i was sick of feeling unwanted 😔💔😭😪

[@joannedomingo2398]

Ditto

[@coltenkelso5764]

Understand that it’s not on purpose. Us avoidants do care. These are just learned behaviors from childhood. I’m self aware and still struggle with my attachment style. These behaviors have been hardwired into our minds and aren’t just easy to turn off like a switch.

[@openperspectives7236]

@@coltenkelso5764 she knows this she knows how you guys work because she’s been tortured and confused by it all, your just triggered because you perceive her post as criticism hence your defensive un empathetic comment instead of realising that post is her expressing herself and she has a good right because FA and DA destroy people, I know because ive felt it and still feel it, if any of you FAs & DAs felt how excruciating the pain was you’d collapse on your knees and beg for forgiveness. Thats my un empathetical comment back to you.

[@openperspectives7236]

I’m in the same boat as you sweetheart and I’ve noticed this comment is 6 months old now so I hope at this point your happy or atleast not in pain, I’ve never felt pain like this before I truly know how you feel.

[@coltenkelso5764]

@@openperspectives7236 I am not triggered at all. I am fully aware of how my attachment style affects my relationships. I am actually self aware and working on becoming secure. Sorry that you feel that my comment is unempathetic. Sounds like you have your own emotional issues. You should seek therapy if you haven’t.

[@Joe-jc5ol]

My Mom is an FA, Dad a DA, they argued a lot. It's like being quizzed on my childhood. My mom used to shutdown haaaard and I used to blame myself, I took it personally as in my mom does not love me, she does not want to see or talk to me... My dad externally looked like he could not care less, his answer to all this was "meh, she'll calm down eventually". Swept problems under the rug until the rug swallowed me whole...

[@joe-mama6451]

It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. -Sean maguire - good will hunting.

[@roshalllambert]

Yayyyy! thank you so much for doing this I had suggested this to one of the PDS members so I am glad she made a video on it!!

[@ourloveourjourney215]

These vids are AMAZINGLY good! Thank you SO SO SO much for posting these! These help us so much! ❤

[@doodlesbe2495]

I love all your videos, you’re a beautiful star helping people

[@dotfive5six477]

Thais, I would love to see a video on Fearful avoidants and Affairs, it's much needed.

[@justinkase1245]

Definitely seeing a DA/FA mix in myself. A lot of this makes so much sense to me now. One thing I do want to understand better is the idea of opening up. I have recently been talking to someone outside of my relationship and it has felt so easy to open up to them, they just listen and aren't constantly trying to correct or interject. It is like being seen for the first time. I never feel like I can fully open up like this in my relationship as I constantly feel ashamed for feeling the way I do. Sometimes I do not express myself at all because, well I shut down like the video explains. Now, since I have been watching more of these videos and also doing a lot of self-work. I am opening up to my partner more as well, but it does not feel as easy. I feel like by expressing myself fully I am potentially hurting their feelings or just not being seen. I have in the past tried opening up as a DA to this person, but either been ignored or they didn't even hear me and change the subject. I constantly see myself wanting to go talk to the other person as I do not feel the fear of judgement/feeling invisible. Amazing videos and I am just about ready to jump on the courses.

[@lisa4cohen]

I am fearful leaning anxious and for the last 6 months I have loved, shared and subscribed .. u have changed my life .. I only wish I delved in during the pandemic when I was a FA MESS . But I will not dwell on the past and just say how lucky I am to have found you ( actually my da shared u with me.. or the irony) .. I am learning to be secure and have a ton of childhood trauma. Had a beautiful DA bf who left Canada just before the border closures for his home in the USA and I was just so fearful that I wouldn’t let him talk to me .. basically the closure secured a nail in the coffin .. here I am 2 years later and I finally told him I love him and I’m sorry .. well he ghosted me and told me I was too late .. here I am fully present in real time not Covid time anymore .. realized my anger was really love never indifference.. Thank u for all that u do ♥️ We r all works in progress

[@nuez23747]

I have both types of bounding issues and I see myself in both ways, but in this video I understand the dismissive part is at least now stronger and first to be taken care of

[@paulapackowska1]

Love your videos. Thank you

[@davidlindh7938]

This is one of the perfect videos to send to someone to understand a parent or partner that is dealing with FA and DAs. It lets them understand that not all avoidances are not the same. It shows that it's that they can love that they are not giving but sometimes they are stuck. Hence, why it is easier to start or focus on a new relationship. Maybe I am wrong but I am always learning..

[@ashley14579]

Thank you, your videos help a lot.

[@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool]

You're welcome Ash :)

[@robertoflores4546]

Man, for some reason you come out with these videos just in time! Lots of times they coincide with my relationship with my DA! 😝 makes me wonder why this is so much work!!

[@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool]

Good luck Roberto :)

[@lukethompson5558]

Haha, right! So true

[@nataliegreenham]

Ditto. It’s like I’m being spied on. The advice is always right on cue. Lol

[@creativesolutions902]

I click on every time you show up… I’ve subscribed because I am so intrigued and inspired buy what you have to teach. At the same time, every time I watch a video, I am so incredibly triggered and I become aware of just how damaged I am and why my relationships are at a standstill. But… While I was watching this one today, I had a tiny sliver like a light coming through the crack of the door… Little tiny breakthrough: and that is, that I am willing to come out of my hiding place or my shut down zone, if I can just come up with one expression of what I feel safe saying or sharing or expressing to someone I am trying to heal with. Mainly these are family members. I’ve got half of it figured out, I’m trying to rebuild new memories with them so the old ones aren’t dominant … But that is still coming from a place that is very guarded and not authentic, completely anyway… I continue to watch your videos and the only reason I haven’t started the course, as I have this strange fear or feeling that it would make me feel even more distant from the people I am trying to heal with …❤️

[@karims9379]

Thank you 😊💕

[@aurinkobay7118]

shiiit yeah that is the thing it's exactly that no wonder why i have FA in the scoring as well as overpowering DA (ugh emotional instability from mom extreme highs and extreme lows it sends my nervious system through a crazy cycle). That is why I have a tendency to avoid conflict or completely disconnect before hand yet ppl please just to keep them away from me. ugh working on it

[@EstiEquinox]

This explains that even though I show up more AP in my romantic relationships, why my FA is stronger right now. I'm ending NC with my DA right now, after our first ever relationship break down. So I'm going to give things one and I mean ONE fair chance at working together. I have my boundaries set and logically I know I can see if he's willing to show up and do the work or not. But because I have no freaking clue if he's gonna show up or not. (I have zero proof either way from him directly, and there aren't any factors that push him strongly in the type of DA that would be willing to grow or not as of yet. ) my FA strongly wants to push away. It doesn't know if he will be willing to work on things or not, and if he'll follow through or even if he'll reciprocate my attempt at re-contact to try again. We'll see. Still gonna give it one fair shot if he's up for it. And I'm fine with it working or not working. But I see my FA is in charge instead of AP. I want to de-tach form him 'cause I just... don't know what to expect. So I naturally wanna be less attached and back off. Well, that and given it's nearly been 2 months (7 weeks to be exact), that's when APs tend to want to move on. Even more reason that I'm less engaged. Meanwhile DA's typically only start processing things about 6 weeks in. He still deserves a chance to grow in case he's the kind of DA that is willing. And I'll give it one fair shot for me so I can go knowing I tried my best guilt free. Thanks for explaining to me how my FA side is trying to pull me away since I just... don't have any trust or knowledge.

[@IanRoyball128]

Thanks!

[@Rose-ou5ug]

Thais when are the podcasts starting?🙈 would enjoy it so much while I go on walks by myself

[@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool]

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[@Rose-ou5ug]

@@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool wow yaay thanks!

[@swarovskikris1]

This is what I’m facing right now. The pain is excruciating ❤

[@prarthanajacharya2131]

Please do a video on whether DAs are even capable of long term relationships kind marriage. And what clues/characteristics i can look for so i can make my decision to stay? Cause I'm struggling to decide whether to stay or go and they're numbingly confusing to figure. Also, your channel is a life saver. Thanx so much for your work.

[@monicamonica5924]

My situation is the same 😔 stay or move on....

[@aspegel5281]

You will be in this constant loop as long as you are both unhealed. Healing yourself will make you accountable and will give you the tools for dealing with him. The main thing is he needs to learn to tap into emotional self-awareness as well. He cannot show proper feelings if he is disconnected from truly knowing himself.

[@niar3214]

What’s the difference between the inconsistencies the AP experiences and the FA experiences that make them different attachment styles?

[@justenhansen]

What if I seem very dismissive avoidant, but it's really because I'm just not happy in the relationship. I mean, I am happy, and she's a wonderful person, but I'm not happier in it than I would be alone. Is that an option? It's not that I want to be alone; I just want the relationship to be better than being alone. Cuz I kind of have a pattern and I keep getting called out.

[@RachealD28]

Do you have any recommendations for different areas? My ex is a DA and pretty much had everything catch up to him and had his life flipped upside down. He’s wanting go talk to someone but I want to make sure he sees someone who is WELL EDUCATED in this area and doesn’t screw up even more. We are in DFW…..help 😕

[@h.meraki1156]

Question : if you try to apologize (way later) about something not really great you’ve done partly due to poor communication does it make them discard you ? I mean Does apologizing is something they’ll will use against you ?

[@edgreen8140]

Repartition compulsion. That's the explanation since Freud.

[@ScottH7651]

regarding FAs, "what's unresolved will get brought back into future relationships." YEEESSSS, I'm quite sure that's what happened in my last relationship and I'm quite sure she was an FA. I'm still struggling to get her out of my head. I must be an AP....

[@23degrees48]

When the person tells me about their most painful childhood trauma and mentioned they only told one or two ppl in their life about this but don’t know why they felt comfortable sharing this with me, is this a sign they are fearful avoidant rather than dismissive avoidant?

[@Katrica670]

If DA comes from emotionally aloof parents I shoulda been!

[@Klover_pearl]

First time I felt seen

[@juliemeyers461]

Can I be both? I relate a lot with both and can't decide which I am!

[@jannahnezzar6412]

Yes you can be both

[@daisylavenderlove]

Thais you're so gorgeoussss

[@missmaybe8588]

How do you actually come out of the shutdown? I’ve really shutdown in an extreme way.. I used to swing quickly back and forth between described and engaged but this time it’s soo extreme and I’m so very stuck in the shutdown. It’s been weeks now. Is this normal? Or I sign I should leave once and for all? I’m a FA and he is a DA. Together nine years and 3 kids 😭

[@lucytownsend1176]

Start working on reconditioning yourself first, and then see what happens with the relationship. I’m an FA, with a DA. As I’m healing, the relationship is healing, and he’s starting to heal.

[@kriskumar3149]

Hey can anyone explain this, what about when someone gets triggered when their person pulls away affection/ attention if their partner is being very communicative everyday talkative and then all of sudden pulls away abit. Then the person reacts in a freaking out and thrown off by the pull away. What attachment style is that? Or what is to be resolved about that.

[@nafisaiddrisu9983]

I think AP

[@kriskumar3149]

@@nafisaiddrisu9983 what’s that

[@nafisaiddrisu9983]

Anxious Preoccupied attachment style

[@nafisaiddrisu9983]

Anxious Preoccupied Attachment Style

[@kriskumar3149]

@@nafisaiddrisu9983 that’s what I am?

[@robertolopez-geissmannh.8665]

Why when an FA is anxious is able to take bad treatment and even insults from their partner but while they're more avoidant they can't hold a simple constructive critique and show more rejection sensitive dysphoric? I have had a situation with a FA who took bad behavior and contempt and abuse from a narcisist but when I barely spoke out my needs and made a critique, she ghosted and later blocked me,being myself a typical "nice guy", AP. So unfair!!

[@aspegel5281]

Hard to say, because I'm not sure exactly what you said to her. Maybe the abuse from her partner was something she became accustomed to - so she doesn't take it so deeply. I've even grown cold to my friend calling me a crazy bitch when he's pissed at me, because he has said it so many times that it doesn't even phase me. Whereas my AP friend pointed out that it's abusive and I shouldn't allow it. I agreed with her - but it also made me realize how dead I have become to his abuse. Since you don't normally talk that way to her, maybe it felt more offensive? In fact, my AP friend even said, "If I called you a crazy bitch, you would probably not want to be friends with me." She's right - I probably would be more offended by her saying it, because she doesn't talk to me like that.

[@robertolopez-geissmannh.8665]

@@aspegel5281 Thanks for your answer. I didn't talk her in a harsh nor irrespectful way. I criticized a video of her because I think it can show an image that could harm her and attract precisely though not exclusively, narcisists and antisocials, with whom she have had bad and toxic relationships. I knew my words could lead to ghosting, blocking or breake up, but I felt it was for good, not to intentionally hurt her. I sent her messages pointing that out in the afternoon and in early night, she blocked me without any answer. It ocurred a month ago. Still blocked in WhatsApp but curiously not in tik tok...

[@aspegel5281]

@@robertolopez-geissmannh.8665 Hopefully you'll get a chance to tell her that was your intention - to protect her. But why do you feel she was hurt by what you said? Maybe it was your choice of words when you criticized her video? Maybe if it were said differently?

[@robertolopez-geissmannh.8665]

@@aspegel5281 She knows me enough and I dare to think she perfectly knew my intentions. One of the problems is that one cannot keep walking on eggshells with people like her. For me is part of the difficulties with being with a FA. She is also a diagnosed Aspie and ADHD. And most ADHD have Rejection Sensitive Dysphory. I can tell that at least, she's got it. I've realized it not in an hypothetical manner. Seen in her interaction with coleguees, for instance. She can stay avoidant for half a week or a couple of days more just by a disagreement or a ponting out from her fellows! Studying through these kind of videos like ms.Gibson's and papers as well, have helped me to grasp better what's going on and allow as well a kind of predectibility of what will ocurr. So as it happened after my critique...

[@robertolopez-geissmannh.8665]

@@aspegel5281 Moreover, I think a good communication is something fundamental for a healthy relationship. One must consider and respect his/her partner but also be able to talk about hard issues and share our dearest and deepest thoughts. She flees from relationship conversations and receives very badly certain observations. Being so, it's very difficult to fix or improve a relationship. And it hurts being blocked and almost surely being broken up without saying a single word!! I really like her so much and love her, but if she cannot show clearly her borders and what she thinks and wants and neither can meet my needs, this situation won't be healthy neither comfortable for none of us. Anyway, I guess it's over, almost 10 months where we met, had sex at the beggining, everything was lovely and ok but few days later and despite treating both of us with affection, I barely dated her...ONCE after the first weeks when we knew each other and hung out. She said everything would be ok but she's got fear , due to past relationships and how she was raised in her family. I am really sorry for her, for us, but unless she works harder and even with therapy, unless she overcomes her wounds, not just with me but with no one she couldn't have a beautiful and healthy relationship. May God bless and heal her. ..

[@tahrimabs]

I think DA's are worse than FA's.

[@waterlilynymph]

Thais, which style will come on extremely strong with emotions and then go hot and cold? I have been talking to a man for almost two years who says he loves me and wants to marry me, then ghosts for days - weeks and then comes back to say he misses me so much and still loves me. This cycle has been going on for two years, and because I have fallen in love with him as well, I have been patiently waiting and giving him space. Well since we are at a long distance now cause he had to move away, I gave him a deadline to come see me for the holidays or I need to end this in the new year so we can both move on and find our happiness. I hope I set my boundaries properly, but I am so confused on what the hell he wants with me keeping this connection so intense and then pulling away? Is he Fearful Avoidant or Dismissive Avoidant that fell in love?

[@sindhusekar1918]

Send him a link to the attachment style quiz of PDS. Tell him to take the quiz and share the results with you.

[@IanRoyball128]

❤️☮️ You're so awesome 😉 💤 💤 💤 💤 💤 💤 💤 💥 subwoofer voice💥 I'm going to sleep now 💤 💤 💤 💤 💤 💤 💤 ☮️❤ thank you 😴 🫂 no worries 👍 Professional talks EXTREMEPTSD You're wonderful. Thanks ☮️

[@Namrata766]

With all due respect, the cracking voice you are speaking in seems made up and it is very annoying to listen to. The info you are sharing is great, but the voice is pinching my head. 😢

[@billyb4790]

Thais, I've only done 4 courses so far and already some amazing breakthroughs. My therapist was so happy to see some major changes in me. I was, too. I'm so looking forward to future courses. As one healer to another, you're doing some of the most amazing work I've ever seen. You're not just helpful but inspiring. Thank you so much!

[@AmyMcColgan-rb6yr]

Can you let me know which courses you did as there’s so many and I don’t want to get overwhelmed

[@billyb4790]

@@AmyMcColgan-rb6yr there’s a course guideline for categories lie Fearful Avoidant. You can start there 😊