What Needs to Happen for the Kenobi Show to Work

[@Jpipooly]

You're just nitpicking and biased. I win, bye bye

[@Bearical]

Who?

[@DARTH-R3VAN]

@@Bearical your mom. I win, bye bye

[@pr0gurt]

@@DARTH-R3VAN u smell. I win bye bye

[@multifantv1245]

Biased? It'd his channel and his own opinion. What's wrong with being biased

[@alexeistrife56]

@@multifantv1245 It's a Dunkey reference.

[@a.z.pantera5577]

My only concern is that the show was delayed because they thought the original script was too dark and grim, and that it had to be rewritten. Like, what?!? A show about a broken man trying to survive and protect the galaxy's last hope, believing he failed everyone he ever cared about, and being on the run from dark side soldiers specifically trained to hunt Jedi should be dark and grim?? Perish the thought! This is the House of Mouse!

[@old-dream-left-behind]

That's been said about ROGUE ONE and it turned out to be my favorite piece of Star Wars media ever made despite all of its flaws, so I'm not too concerned about that personaly. :)

[@tomriddler1926]

Too dark and grim?! Thats the stupidest sting I've ever heard, I dont want another child friendly pussy show, where no one dies, I want violence, I want blood!!!

[@fredv6237]

@@tomriddler1926 Violence! Blood! That automatically means quality amirite?!! No, if it sucks it sucks. It's not a matter if it's dark or light, it's about the writing. You edgelords just love to suck googoo blood to appeal to your edgy mindset.

[@multifantv1245]

@@tomriddler1926 ever since Disney bought star wars that's not really possible that much I'm afraid

[@tomriddler1926]

@@fredv6237 I meant it metaphorical, it doesn't have to be that violent (well I'd appreciate a few limbs being chopped off) but I just wish for an overall dark atmosphere, fitting the era its taking place in. I may be an edgelord, but you're very judgemental.

[@RobPaulson88]

I have come from the future to say, it went wrong, it went horribly wrong

[@DarthWillSmith]

In one of the final scripts for ROTS, when General Grievous says the line "I was trained in your jedi arts by Count Dooku", Obi-Wan retorted with "and I trained the jedi who killed Count Dooku". Not that I think it changes the point made in the video but it would have been a great "I'm gonna end this man's whole career" moment.

[@ngabel8956]

I get why it was cut. In the context of the story killing Dooku was not a prideful moment. But dang it Lucas, did you really have to cut a good line from the prequels.

[@christopherbravo1813]

That line actually showed up in the books. "I was trained in the Jedi arts by Tyranus himself?" "You mean Count Dooku? What a coincidence. I trained the man who killed him."

[@calebharris7568]

I think the reason the inquisitor thing is so annoying is that it’s such an easy thing to fix but due to a lack effort or budget(?) it’s going to be massively distracting

[@Annmjpg]

I’d laugh if they decide to give them helicopter lightsabers but not fix the look.

[@scottwerner279]

@@Annmjpg thankfully the helicopter move doesn’t seem to show up in much besides Rebels

[@jame9277]

In revenge of the sith Pau’ans are literally people wearing latex masks + makeup and fake teeth. They easily could’ve done the correct design using either cgi or practical effects, yet for some reason they decided to slap white makeup on a dude and call it a day. This is Star Wars in 2022, not Star Trek in the 1960s

[@bustanut5501]

@@jame9277 The funny thing is that the actor playing the Grand Inquisitor doesn't even have that much of a wide head. He is in fact wearing some prosthetics alongside the make-up. It's just that these prosthetics are very badly done.

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

I'd be annoyed but I've about stopped caring since Disney hires directors who just don't give two fucks about Star Wars. The Book of Boba Fett shows that.

[@kanava6169]

I feel Kenobi series doesn't have much new to offer that we don't know already. Other than adding depth to Kenobi's and Vader's characters, i can't think of any. Therefore i guess there will be alot unwarranted and out of place fan service that will either contradict with canon or do the main characters something like what Disney did to Boba Fett. In my opinion the ONLY way to make the show good is to heavily concentrate on Kenobi and Vader, the things they're going through in that time period. However i'm afraid Disney wouldn't see that concept as the most profitable option, and just go again with the only thing in the bag, nostalgia.

[@bence1830]

If they make him go away from Tatooine it is a spit in the face of the original film. Even in Rebels he did not help Ezra, because he had to stay on Tatooine. The only thing I can imagine is to divert attention away from the planet so he appears somewhere far away.

[@obi-juantacobi8552]

@Ben18 even a spit in the novel's face, he had a chance to leave to have a haply fulfilling life with love, but turned it down.

[@kayano85]

It makes me happy that someone is finally talking about how many fans are being called Toxic for Criticizing one single thing, I've been told that I'm toxic and shouldnt watch the show and that I'm ungrateful. If we cant criticize anything then the future of starwars will not improve

[@Jp-1377]

The classic line they say is “just be thankful we’re getting more Star Wars content” well I’d rather get nothing than the shit they shovel us that actively ruin aspects of Star Wars

[@old-dream-left-behind]

​@@Jp-1377 This "be thankful" shit pisses me off. Can we stop pretending that this shit is made by hardworking and passionate executives not at all seeking to make as much profit as possible from us ungrateful cunts? I have nothing to be grateful about: I have to pay for it, so if I don't like it, I have the right to be upset about it.

[@fredv6237]

So long as it doesn't involve putting others down and demonizing them because that's the problem with the fans' so-called criticism.

[@bruhdon4748]

Yeah 100% there’s this weird divide in the Star Wars community where one side wants to express their likes and dislikes & the other just wants everyone to blindly accept every single bit of Star Wars content and be happy about it. It’s really annoying.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@Jp-1377 100% that’s exactly the response I get whenever I critique new Star Wars, I’d literally rather never have anything new from Star Wars if it means it puts a stop to all this garbage, it makes me sad that the sequels are even a thing

[@lordmasonchase7696]

I agree with pretty much everything especially with how CHEAP the damn aliens look in all these shows, Disney has too much money to not make convincing looking characters, it makes me think that maybe they don't care enough

[@Carabas72]

Fans: what's with all the crappy CGI everywhere? Lucasfilm: commits to using practical effects wherever possible. Fans: what's with all the cheap-looking aliens? Lucasfilm: screw it, we're casting Brie Larson as Mara Jade.

[@maxdavis7722]

@@Carabas72 but we have seen better of both practical and CGI before in Star Wars. The problem was with the design and not the method.

[@Carabas72]

@@maxdavis7722 Yes. In 250+ million dollar budget movies. Not so much on a tv budget.

[@maxdavis7722]

@@Carabas72 that wasn’t your original point tho.

[@Carabas72]

@@maxdavis7722 Your point wasn't really related to my point.

[@Noone-qs5jt]

You remember the episode "sacrifice" in the clone wars where sidious fights Yoda in a vision through an ancient sith ritual? So they face each other, but still they don't meet each other physically until rots. Maybe Vader and Palpatine will want to recreate that ritual to face obi wan, which will serve as a final challenge for kenobi to overcome his demons and learn to retain his consciousness after death, just like Yoda did in that episode. That way, Vader and obi Wan would still not meet again until anh, and it would serve to further obi Wans story in a meaningful way. I really hope that's the route they will go if they're going to do a rematch at all

[@pieceopye4046]

i thought it could be possible that they fight fo real but then afterwards something leads Vader to believes the fight to be a force vision

[@thesonofdathomir3907]

Thats genius, if they do it , it’ll be AMAZING

[@thesonofdathomir3907]

@@pieceopye4046 maybe

[@Guy117.]

This aged poorly

[@Noone-qs5jt]

@@Guy117. let's see how the show ends at least. But it seems they don't know what they're doing

[@nicwinsteadart5330]

I would like to see them delving to Obi-Wan's guilt of feeling he failed The Galaxy, Padame, Qui-Gon, The Jedi Order, Anakin and himself and continuing on to right a wrong that even in his own heart of hearts he'll fail and die like everyone else because of his "failure" I don't want a moody character drama but just how he accepts himself.

[@harrambou9468]

Facts I’m thinking he has a realization like “I did the best I could and still am, that’s all we can do”

[@caleb281]

So basically Luke's arc in The Last Jedi

[@zenna4474]

@@caleb281 Which actually fits really well for Obi-Wan and I think could be great. The concept behind that arc is good, but it was not meant for Luke.

[@thesonofdathomir3907]

@@harrambou9468 agree

[@x316RiotMakerx]

I like how Rebels handled Vader. He was an important part of the story arc but his actual appearances were limited.

[@LegoBuilderStudios]

I agree with you Sheev on "THE GREATEST REMATCH OF ALL BLUGABLUGA" I'm very against Obi-Wan and Vader meeting, nevermind having a duel. Everytime I watch Star Wars, when Vader says "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master" it always strikes me at the distance between the pair. It's fantastic. Then having watched the prequels later, that quote sits so well, with Vader's hatred for Obi-Wan being so prevalant. Will the pair duelling in the show undermine that? Probably.

[@TamTV12]

Yes…yes it will…and this is why the show has already failed. I still hope it is good ofc, but I doubt it.

[@bustanut5501]

People seem to forget that their confrontation doesn't have to be physical. They could very well meet in some sort of vision or dream. Maybe Kenobi could have a Dagobah-cave-like trial to deal with his guilt and trauma. And Vader just so happens to have another vision (the same one he had in the Soule comics) of him meeting Obi-Wan. Maybe Palpatine could be playing with his mind. There is a way a duel between the two of them could work. They just have to be very careful about it. Though I doubt they will be.

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

The only way it could work would be if Obi Wan has a nightmare about Mustafar, as he turns away from Anakin burning, he hears Vader's breathing, turns back around, sees Vader and then the duel starts. That way he technically has not actually faced Vader since Episode III.

[@Deathpool_04]

I actually want them to meet because I don’t think Vader would fight Kenobi the way he does in ANH if that’s the first time he’s seeing him after ROTS. Vader had to suffer unimaginable pain because of Kenobi and if he believes he’s that powerful, he’d hold nothing back against Kenobi.

[@TopTwom]

Disagree. The Death Star confrontation is way too subdued to be the first time they meet. Obi Wan has almost no reaction whatsoever to seeing Vader. Neither of them really seem that into the fight either. There isn't any emotion for me there. Which wouldn't be so bad if they had a true meeting inbetween. I have little faith they'll do it RIGHT, mind you... but doing it at all is necessary for me and my own interpretation of the characters stories.

[@RocketHarry865]

I want to keep any fights between Obi-wan and Vader as simply force visions. The duel on the death star in episode IV should be first and only time the two would meet since their duel on mustafar in Episode III

[@old-dream-left-behind]

I can somewhat agree but it's unrealistic at this point. They will fight. Multiple times. It's bound to happen. I'm just hoping they don't drag Maul into this, once again, somehow.

[@Anonymous-yq6wy]

"When I left you I was but a learner now I am the master"-vader in a new hope, except vader didn't leave obiwan on mustafar, it was obi wan that left, it's been hinted a few times that they actually met again after ROTS

[@luuska8657]

i dont think the death star fight gives justice to all the friendship and bonding we've seen from them in tcw so im completely fine with them reuniting properly if they make it work

[@ruta9044]

@@Anonymous-yq6wy Kenobi is post-Fallen Order. No way you tell me the Vader in that game is considered a LEARNER.

[@Deathpool_04]

I actually want to see them meet. I want to Vader being an absolute monster against Obi Wan. I honestly don’t think Vader would fit him the way he does in ANH if that’s the first time they are meeting and Kenobi needs to try actually redeeming Anakin which he didn’t really do in ROTS despite Vader saying that he did in ROTJ.

[@kcJOOONES]

I've seen an equal amounts of toxic positivity and people saying things like "If you like this then you're not a true fan". At this point it's easier to avoid the fandom all together and just enjoy Star Wars in secret

[@fredv6237]

Correct.

[@thesuperintendent4290]

@@fredv6237 Yeah same. The only thing I disagree with on this video is the bad batch. I liked it.

[@christopherbravo1813]

"If you're unwilling to accept criticism of a thing you enjoy, then you need to first of all grow the fuck up, and second you need to reassess how important these stories are to you." These words resonated with me so much, because they are what I firmly believe.

[@StarWarsOpinion]

Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for putting a name to it: toxic positivity.

[@everythingdibs344]

Not really a new phrase but sure, you never heard of toxically positive people that just give you the advice to smile through your teeth? Take joy from inside out for example.

[@AXOLOTLKINQ]

Thats not a new term

[@dqarqeer8603]

Thats existed for years now

[@KingSlayer_.]

@@dqarqeer8603 yeah but it's not wide spread is what he was saying I think.

[@JTPQuinn]

Oh my God, someone finally put it into words...

[@ethatsgoodwine5888]

Most of new Star Wars isn’t really Star Wars, it just looks like it.

[@magiccookies420]

I think you nailed it. If the show follows at least half these points, I think we’re in for a treat

[@matirm2792]

Honestly, it just feels like filoni is trying to finish off rebels in everything... And ironically, rebels started to work for the vast majority of people because it was continuing clone wars. I'd like for characters to stop meeting. Does every inquisitor we've ever seen need to be there? There's one new one, and I'm not even sure she's all that new (riva sounds a whole lot like trilla). Good stories with new characters, I don't need to see cad bane fighting the wrong fight at 100. It's becoming more of a guilty pleasure soap opera every day.

[@davycrock0441]

Wouldn’t it be cool if Durge the bounty hunter from legends showed up?

[@TopTwom]

I sorta agree but I think the fanservice things like Ahsoka, Luke, Boba Fett etc have all been an attempt to regain the Star Wars "image" after so many felt disillusioned or downright alienated by the sequels. Its certainly worked for a lot of fans and I think the more goodwill they earn by playing it safe the more confidence they'll gain to tell new stories down the line. I see this era as the recovery era. They've relapsed a few times, but you can see a clear attempt at improvement, which gives me hope for the future.

[@ngabel8956]

For me, fan serve only works when it achieves something. Luke and Ahsoka in Book of Boba Fett don't. Maybe they could have so much as a conversation about... I dunno Anakin, the Jedi Order, any of their life experiences. Nah. Just stand next to each other for a bit and fans will clap. For comparison, Spider-Man No Way Home has a ton of fan service but it also achieves a ton. Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield give Tom Holland advice, fight alongside him, and even save him from giving in to his anger.

[@TopTwom]

@@ngabel8956The Luke and Ahsoka scenes did achieve something but it was mostly for set-up and it didn't contribute towards the actual show it was in, which is pretty silly. It still provided a pretty clear image for us on Ahsoka's opinion on rebuilding the Jedi order and of Luke himself. Which was really the biggest question surrounding her. I didn't see their scenes as pure fan-service and rather as set-ups for future stories. Poorly timed and placed, but it wasn't useless like the "You'lll be dead" guy in Rogue One or Maul in Solo.

[@Remnicore]

I’ve been keeping up with leaks surrounding this show so if you want to know what to expect going in, here is the basic premise of what happens: Obi-Wan is staying on Tatooine and living in a cave as he is watching over Luke. I assume he communes with Qui-Gon during this time, but I know that Qui Gon doesn’t physically manifest until the end of the series. There’s a Jedi named Nari who has been tracking down Obi-Wan after Order 66 and he finds his way to Tatooine. The Inquisitors are hunting Nari and he’s the reason they find their way to Tatooine. The trailer dialogue of Obi-Wan saying “the fight is done, we lost. Stay hidden” is him speaking to the Jedi. The Third Sister can sense both their presences but the Grand Inquisitor can’t and he tells her she’s basically full of it. Obi-Wan begins to understand his presence on Tatooine places Luke in danger. In the trailer you can see the Third Sister ignite her lightsaber in front of the Jedi who was running away from her. It’s also his body that his hanging in town as the Inquisitors put his corpse on public display. The Inquisitors study the history of the Jedi and the Republic and learn Bail Organa was close to the Jedi, so they kidnap his daughter (Leia) to see who comes for her. Bail seeks out Obi-Wan and asks for his help, so he leaves Tatooine to rescue her. He goes to the place in the trailer that looks like Tokyo or Reno and he meets up with Kumail Najiani who is a contact between Kenobi and Bail. Obi-Wan rescues Leia and this is when Vader learns Obi-Wan is alive. Vader doesn’t show up until the third episode. Vader is in hot pursuit for Obi-Wan and he’s like he was in Rogue One except times 10. He fights Obi-Wan twice in the show, the first fight Obi-Wan wins and escapes. Their final fight is on a moon of Mustafar and it’s what the concept art is from. It took weeks to film and involved a lot of cable work. In the end Vader will believe beyond a shred of a doubt that Kenobi is dead as he slips back into hiding on Tatooine

[@Brometheus.]

I stopped reading towards the middle but it’s sounds good tbh. They just need to land it. I completely forgot about Vader saying to luke, “obi wan once thought as you did”. It makes more sense to me now they actually meet again between the 2 trilogy’s

[@memeeater4703]

If that is true, then this show seems like it will be really good. I don't like everything about the script but compared to the stories of Bad Batch and Book of Boba, this is light-years ahead.

[@ngabel8956]

I dunno, I've got some problems. So the Empire can't find Obi-Wan but some random Jedi can? There is a precedence for this in Rebels, but Ezra and Maul could only find him because of the holocrons and both of them had investments in the new hope / old enemy on Tatooine. Why can the Third Sister sense them when the Grand Inquisitor can't? Why can't anybody sense anything in Leia? (Granted, that's a problem in the OT). If these leaks are true, then it looks like the effort is being put in, and I'll have to wait to see the execution.

[@crypticcss4359]

This video is insane watching now

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

I had so many issues with the trailer of Kenobi. One of the most prominent issues is Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine. I just don’t see him leaving it for any reason. His life’s dedication was with Luke.

[@aesir1ases64]

There were two logical options: 1) Luke is in danger 2) Leia is in danger They went with option 2 but damn the execution of that concept was hella weak ....

[@dillonohlemiller401]

Can’t wait to hear your rant on how they completely fucked up all your ideas. The writers didn’t even watch the movies

[@sc-ju9nc]

What ket are you on

[@SiddharthShenoy]

@@sc-ju9nc the head writer confessed to never having watched Revenge of the Sith.

[@sc-ju9nc]

@@SiddharthShenoy source?

[@NoBreakz]

Let me read the future for you, my fellow geeks! It's going to suck! Search your feelings, you know it to be true! The shroud of the Disney is upon the galqxy of star wars, and as long as a company that cater to KIDS, the emotions, story telling and plot is not going to be complex enough to entertain adults, as they are going to cater to a big marketgroup as humanly possible. And something that tries to be liked by everybody ends up being hated by everyone. Beware helicopter lightsabers, animated characters that makes star wars look like its based on the clone wars show and not vise versa. Characters cant die because cyberpunk tattoo artist can revive everybody. The show that doesnt feature its own protagonist!

[@ngabel8956]

I would argue that they aren't even made for kids but for immature adults. Kids don't have that level of nostalgia to milk. They would be bored by these series. George Lucas made Star Wars intelligent and fun, with elements for both young and old audiences that could be appreciated more and more with every rewatch. He didn't think his fans were stupid. Disney does.

[@NoBreakz]

hate that I was right about this

[@julian5699]

I want to see variety. Bad Batch, Mandalorian, and Boba Fett all felt they exact same- bounty hunters operating from dingy bars on run-down wasteland planets. I don’t want to see Obi-Wan spend all of his time on Tattoine fighting bad guys, we have that in Boba Fett. I hope they delve into the Jedi experience, and seldom show him on Tattoine.

[@bence1830]

Well he has to protect Luke, that is his only purpose in life, and he chose that. Quite hard to make him wander around the galaxy with that in mind. Luke was never off-world before episode IV.

[@MRDLT00]

Don’t forget how all of those shows lean heavily on the whole “Found Family” troupe. The stories are sooo similar they’re practically the same structure wise. XD

[@mahermagdy4604]

So in conclusion, everything you feared about that show came true

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

You made a lot of excellent points in this video about constructive criticism and the overreaction some people have to genuine, valid criticism. Toxic positivity is still going on. I’m so glad you have put a name to this phenomenon because I’ve been wondering what motivates some KZbinrs to make very long videos talking about how it made perfect sense for Luke to be portrayed the way he was in the sequel trilogy etc. some thing I find very strange is several of them have said that they didn’t like the last Jedi at first but they made themselves watch it repeatedly and now they think it’s really excellent. This strikes me as very odd behaviour unless they are so desperate to want to approve of everything that has the Star Wars name attached to it … why though? Anyway, thanks for the video. I’m going to watch your Kenobi video now. I watched this one first after that intro advised that we do that. 🙏😎🍿

[@bryanscottmills]

6:46 apparently except daddy Palpatine saying no

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

Such a Shame. I actually wish now...they had just quietly cancelled this project. It actually finished off my love for star wars and buried it 20 feet below ground. Best Disney's gonna get from me now is...I might keep up with it all through videos like this but I'm certainly NOT going to take my own time and waste on total trash.

[@danielsailors7782]

Holy fuck all your worries came TRUE lol. Can’t wait to see your review.

[@benfielding4713]

I'm just trying to keep an open mind until the show actually comes out.

[@Flat_top_king12]

Something I just thought of, what if Obi Wan has to leave tatooine to start his force ghost training, that's pretty important and based on what we see from clone wars season y we already know that requires traveling outside tatooine

[@blitzwinger999wright6]

Well I would agree with you on the Dave Filoni thing about Obi-Wan and Grievous not meeting as it is lightly implied, but take Anakin and Grievous. Filoni made special care to make sure they never met in the Clone Wars just so the “you’re shorter than I expected” line made sense. It’s evident that whatever he does, he does pay attention to George Lucas’ vision, even if he does bend the rules a little. I agree with you. He isn’t a god, but he’s a damn well closer than Kathleen Kennedy.

[@briishbananabread]

Now that the show is out and you really hate it, is obi wan Kenobi still your favorite character ever.

[@SheevTalks]

Yes

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

Oh the look of the Grand Inquisitor was just the beginning.. so Obi left not to protect Luke, but Leia ! Totally abandoning him. And the bad guys learn who Obi Wan really is ! Bail himself even gives Luke and his location away - what fun !!

[@adonis_lol]

idk how or why I’m still up but Sheev uploaded so it’s cool

[@brentonsisemore1122]

I think how you said “cautiously optimistic” is the best way to describe how I feel.

[@gf1006]

FACT ABOUT THE KENOBI SHOW: Ewan McGregor is going to give everything he has to the role - he’s gonna have a lot of fun and he’s gonna be great

[@Michael-Phantom]

We are now 4 episodes in and so far none of what u wanted happend... We do got 2 episodes remaining tho... So far with each ep i am likeing it less and less. Not as bad as book of boba but like i said it still got 2 episodes...

[@reneflores5976]

how bout ep 5?

[@Michael-Phantom]

@@reneflores5976 ep 5 had some cool stuff but also some very questionable writing and narrative choices... But it is prob my 2nd fave episode so far next to the 1st. I feel that in this 5 and a half to 6 hour show there is a very solid 2 and a half to 3 hour long movie that they decided to drag out and add unessasary stuff too. And by dooing so just creativley killed a lot of canon and expectation. Like they went Quantity over Quality.

[@PickledShark]

Ouch. Watching this video years after the fact actually hurt. I remember feeling cautiously optimistic about Kenobi. Never even finished the show and it was the last one I did watch outside of Andor

[@McFrozenNuggets]

3:16 "To say that I am cautiously optimistic, is quite the understatement." ~ Ross Fallon (MGF Customs), 2018

[@seamusmicfilms]

Obi Wan must attempt to redeem VADER and bring Anakin back to the good side. The show must follow the words of the movies. "Obi Wan once thought as you do."

[@thorscape3879]

There is canon stating they haven't met since Mustafar. George Lucas has said it himself since 1977. There's also the Kenobi book which Disney is simultaneously aping and disregarding.

[@MRDLT00]

I mean you’re hoping they don’t do some bad retconning with Obi-wan and Vader’s meet up…but The Clone Wars show has already shown us the writers are willing to fuck over the continuity like how the Jedi found out about Dooku making the clones AND that clones started killing Jedi with a conspiracy behind it. That show fucked over Revenge of the Sith’s story with its shitty retcons. XD

[@majorastorm]

9:05 THANK YOU! no one ever mentions these books ever

[@parsapouyafar1047]

Thanks for this video you know i actually hadn't watched the trailer and i hadn't thought about what could go wrong its nice to have something for reference

[@finaltouchstudio_]

In regards to the fight, I feel like it’s going to be a dark vision Obi-Wan will have if he fails to protect Luke. Like the Empire finds Luke, Obi-Wan tries to find him and encounters Vader, but is too late because Luke has already turned to the dark side.

[@williamdavis1085]

Your Impersonation of Grievas had me rolling. "ackchasjdfh...fuck" lmao

[@harrambou9468]

Pretty spot-on 👌 Also I appreciate you pointing out the conundrum with General Grievous’ suggestive dialogue lol Edit: even the Clone Wars has its holes, too

[@evanderpierznik]

Some of the dialogue works for them meeting back up "When I left you I was about the learning". But in ROTS Obi-Wan left HIM, not the other way around. There's a few more examples too.

[@hk1371]

The line, at least how I saw it, refers to him leaving the Jedi Order, which Obi wan was part of. He also left Obi wans side when he said "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy". But now, after the show, it still had Obi Wan leave him physically so now the line makes absolutely no sense

[@MIDAZSITH]

Boba-Fet was great started off slow in usual star wars fashion but was great.

[@Kaptain_Scout]

"When I left you i was but the learner, now I am the master." That seems to me like the last time they saw eachother was mustafar..

[@onemoreminute0543]

@Julian R They separated from each other. An immolated Anakin didn't pick himself up from the banks of Mustafar, say 'see you in 19 years', and literally leave his master

[@onemoreminute0543]

Same here. The 'learner' refers to how Anakins overconfidence in his abilities led to his defeat in the duel :)

[@onemoreminute0543]

@Julian R "You shouldn't have come back to me?" :?

[@onemoreminute0543]

@Julian R No, I meant thats what that line from Vader is referring to ; "You shouldn't have come back", as in "You shouldn't have come back to me". I thought Lucas did a pretty good job at recontextualizing the lines in the OT to fit the events of the prequels. The only one I think is a little wobbly is when it's implied that Obi-Wan tried to turn Vader back to the light beforehand. It's more so a case that Padme was the one trying to turn Vader back to the light on Mustafar (the better line would be "Your mother once thought as you did"). Obi-Wan did kind of try to appeal to Anakin on Mustafar,but that was more so trying to make him see logic than any emotional appeal ("Chancellor Palpatine is evil!", "Your new empire?") :)

[@Hanoua2]

I'm with you on this one, the trailer didn't won me over, I'm still really nervous about that show, it would be so easy to screw it up, Boba Fett didn't help either

[@GhostyG19]

Hayden is already confirmed to be reprising Anakin in Kenobi and Ahsoka, plus the new novel coming out depicts force ghost Anakin saving Luke on exegol. There are also reports of a Vader series after Kenobi. Hayden will most likely get his own show!

[@marshmallowvampire8503]

You are absolutely right. Thank you I think the series should have an arch: Obi wan can learn to move forward and trust in the force with a sad trade off of abandoning the idea of Vader being redeemable. As much as I hate the idea of a great hero having a failed arch I think it would be pretty satisfying here

[@joelunderwood1326]

I respect a person who can convey their views with conviction despite the apparent exhaustion they feel dealing with sycophants. If you view something or someone as perfect then there is no room to adapt and improve. Plus the criticisms regarding the Grand Inquisitor lies primarily with the fact that if the creators don’t have the ability to look back at the source material within their own franchise (Episode III) then what other more egregious concessions are they willing to make. It stings more as you begin to realise that the care you have for the franchise as a fan is not reflected in the creative team that is producing new material. Gatekeeping is not inherently toxic but serves as humbling reminder that these stories are important to many people.

[@shinni237]

Awesome video! I pretty much share every thought you presented and really like the editing! I also dont think there is a single show that had as much of an impact on my child self as The Clone Wars have had. I recently rewatched the whole series and saga as well as Rebels and was genuinely astounded at how little of my interest in the Clone Wars and Star wars in general were nostalgia-based. I really enjoyed every second of the watchthrough and I'm suuuuper hyped for Kenobi.

[@nextgenkilla2140]

I feel the one reason they should fight is for obi wan too be protecting either Luke or Leia from being discovered. like say Vader is coming close to a good lead and so Kenobi reveals himself to keep Vader from that

[@jfilms840]

after the boba fett show, i'm really sceptical on how this one will turn out

[@lauryners]

After watching kenobi so far I kinda like that kenobi and vader have encounters because they lean into kenobi’s guilt and the depressed state he is in over vader after the clone wats

[@joaopedrorosa6198]

did you change your mind with the passing of time?

[@dumont7478]

I agree about what you are calling toxic positivity. In an attempt to ignore what people deem "mindless hate" of bad iterations of old franchises, a lot of people have created an equal and opposite problem. Cultish praise of every aspect of something. A good example is in the Dragon Age fandom. Several big channels will throw out phrases like "the team has a lot of passion for [it]" in order to defend bad writing, animation, etc.

[@jb197536]

I 100 percent agree about what you said about Obi-wan and Vader. I hope they make like a dream

[@captainsirk1173]

Literally all this show needs to do for me is make sense and have a reason to exist. I didn't really like rebels, but I'm a huge fan of stories that take place in this era of Star Wars, and Obi Wan Kenobi is an awesome character. So long as we don't get a contrived plot featuring no character development and utterly ruining continuity, I'm happy. Also, I love how pretty much every person I've seen talking about this show has professed to being "cautiously optimistic." I think that's a fair place to be.

[@budgetlifter]

Disney is gonna probably mess it i'm gonna keep it real. I mean there are simply so many variables, too many areas where they could go wrong very easily messing up the canon. it would've been so easy to make a good boba fett show since all we really knew is that he survived the sarlacc, eventually got his armor back and teamed up with din djarrin and fennec but they still f*cked it up. How are we gonna expect them to deliver on something that has so much more deep lore attached to it.

[@bsprentz8830]

I def agree with a lot of your gripes and the overly positive no matter what attitude can def be exhausting. However, I really encourage everyone (if you have the will power) to watch a Star Wars show or movie without watching a ton of videos about it before hand or chatting on forums about it. Form your own unaffected opinion about the show first and then go talk about it. The more you hear other people complain or talk positively no matter what ..the more you can’t unlearn what you have learned. One other thing real quick…at least half the reason why TROS is such a mess is because they DID listen to what fans would like and tried to cram it in / make things fit. The other half of the reason is because they didn’t lay out a definitive arc for the story before hand BUT I genuinely think this was done so that they could adjust after seeing fan reactions for each film. For example: “Angry Fans : TFA was a rehash” -Result - The last Jedi with tons of stuff that’s different from anything else to a fault. “Angry Fans : The last Jedi was terrible ..they killed the main villain and sent Finn on a wild goose chase!” -Result - The Rise of Skywalker trying to realign character plots and poke fun at things that people didn’t like in the last Jedi. Disney definitely looks at what the general consensus of complaining fans is and then tries to appease everyone which simply isn’t possible and it ends up pissing people off even more. I don’t think this is something that is going to change because while they want fans to be happy and keep watching, it is a business at the end of the day. If we as fans are going to say “This must happen OR ELSE” ..I mean we are just setting everything up to fail. Just like toxic positivity, if we are talking do or die/make or break without even seeing one episode, how can we expect anything to ever live up to expectations?

[@DavidEdge69]

Sheev!!! Just found your videos randomly on yt and I'm agreeing with pretty much everything you are saying. The postcard of boba fett we got was a major letdown and gets worse every time I even bother to think about it. I found the wasted potential to be excruciating as I've loved sw for 40 years. I knew tlj was bad to the point I didn't watch it in a cinema. Then I found it to be so utterly poor I have simply refused to ever watch tros as there was nothing that film could do to make the sequel trilogy palatable. Kennedy and co seem intent on destroying legacy characters. This is why I fear for Kenobi and am not looking forward to it. The potential for "Pissney" to f##k this up, knows no boundaries. I am hoping it will be brilliant, but I'm expecting to be reasonably devastated by the end.

[@angelodeita4605]

I also am cautiously optimistic about this series. There’s 3 ways it can go: 1. It plays it safe and just does fan service (a will probably receive hate over time) 2. It takes big swings (ala TLJ) and divides the fanbase again 3. It’s as middling and forgettable as TBOBF (i cant really see this happening, its obi wan and vader) There is a slight chance that it’ll make every star wars fan happy, but I haven’t seen such a thing happen since clone wars s7. Hoping for the best!

[@garythestormtrooper5589]

What I want to happen is that Vader is actually a vision constructed by Obi-Wan himself. Remember in the clone wars arc where Yoda has to confront his dark side during his training to become a force ghost? What if Vader is that darkness Kenobi has to face? That would awesome and we could also mix Vader/Anakin’s appearances to flashbacks that way we still get the interactions between Obi-Wan and Vader without messing up the over arching narrative.

[@adamabdelrazik2705]

Something everyone forgets is yoda told obi-wan at the end of ROTS that qui-gon had training for him. We later learn in the clone wars was that this training was to become one with force, a force ghost. It seems noone is even thinking about this, which is a shame because it solves everything you listed in this video. It gives Obi-wan a good reason to leave tatooine, a noncanon, nonnarrative breaking way for vader and obi-wan to fight (maybe in a trial or vision like yoda fighting dooku), and a good way to make this show about the force, which is what I think I want to see the most. This show should be the bridge between prequel and sequel obi-wan, and by focusing on his interaction with the force, you can show prequel obi-wan transitioning into wise old hermit sequel obi-wan.

[@WIGSLY]

Great video. Especially the end. Well said.

[@thebrutusmars]

I don’t understand The Bad Batch hate. I really liked that show. Damn.

[@axtagran7504]

While the trailer was cool, so was the trailer for episode 1, 2, 3 And look how those abominations worked out I mean the best piece of marketing for episode 1 was a chessboard

[@rodrigojacome7471]

I’m in the same boat as you regarding this show, I’m cautiously optimistic. Personally, I don’t think this is a story that needs to be told, but I am excited to see what kind of story can be told within this era of Star Wars. I just hope it doesn’t turn out like Book of Boba Fett or Mando season 2.

[@tonyfelder1206]

Ewan is a perfect successor to Sir Alec. Looking forward to seeing him again.

[@waterbears9874]

I’m really worried about Vader being in the show cuz tbh I think them meeting before episode 4 ruins when they finally meet on the Death Star, I’m more hopefully for this show than I was before after the trailer, but I don’t want Vader to just be there so him and obi wan and bang glow sticks Also I feel like the reason some of the aliens look ‘bad’ is because they’re trying to recreate the feel of the aliens from the old movies

[@Darkwintre]

Firstly there must be a good reason why Obi-Wan leaves Tatooine and explain why he doesn't immediately return there. So have Leia kidnapped by Crimson Dawn it's accidental and not deliberate that Obi-Wan is recognised and asked for help. He's about to refuse when Qui-Gon speaks to him this causes him to agree leaving with "Nari" as the Inquisitors arrive who are about to stage a world wide manhunt for Nari when they detect his ship leaving so stop their world wide search to pursue them. We learn Crimson Dawn infiltrated Bail's retinue and only Nari escaped the attack that kidnapped Leia and he ended up on Tattooine repairing ship damage after chasing them. They meet up with a rebel contact let's say Cassian and they learn where she's been taken. Leia is rescued but Maul learns Kenobi is alive and Vader learning about Leia being rescued he gets curious enough to get them to investigate further. Season 2 involves setting up the fight between Maul and Vader leading to Maul fleeing and ended up stranded on Malachor ala Star Wars Rebels. Leave that potential fight between Kenobi and Vader for Season 3. Seriously what we want is a good series and they need to stop paying attention to KK for god's sake!

[@ArcTrooper269]

*1:55** That was Me with the "Snake Eyes" movie from 2021, which Despite its title it never features the character of Snake Eyes*

[@REYfromTX]

“Toxic Positivity” is so spot-on in regards to the Disney fandom, and it’s not just for Star Wars - it’s arguably more pronounced on the Marvel side. I personally think that none of the Marvel TV shows (starting with Wandavision) were particularly good. But for some reason I see universal circle jerking on comment section, and if I criticize them at all I’ll get hounded by the sheep demons as if Marvel can do no wrong.

[@declandavis7876]

More like Lucas fandom.

[@REYfromTX]

@@declandavis7876 Nah, Marvel is usually more “universally liked” so there’s more toxic positivity. The sequel trilogy was very polarizing, especially after TLJ, so the toxicity is pretty “balanced” (tons of people that either hate or love anything Star Wars).

[@hkmrsrg1367]

"They'll never understand what you sacrificed." That line or something or something to that effect was so stupid. Wanda enslaved the minds of a whole town to trick herself into thinking her fake family is real and they somehow wrote it as some kind of sacrifice. Marvel shows were really bad.

[@REYfromTX]

@@hkmrsrg1367 Facts, man. What Wanda did was straight up TERRORISM because she couldn’t deal with the fact that her Pinnochio boyfriend got killed.

[@professorpigeon6517]

I understand what you’re saying and agree with it just wanted to point something out that how would Obi-Wan know that Vader was a machine

[@somethingwithultra7231]

I already hoped they'd st art with some flashbacks to older moments in the Book of Boba Fett for example. Where I thought they'd do the Cad Bane VS Boba Fett duel in live action, to give us context & Daniel Logan potentially as Boba (he played the kid ver.) again. But even though that didn't happen, I legitimately still have some serious hopes of them giving us some neat Anakin & Obi-Wan flashbacks, in which case they will easily be the best part of the show to me.

[@SaltySam34]

When Obi Wan first describes Darth Vader to Luke on Tatooine, it is implied that Obi Wan has a vivid understanding of what Anakin Skywalker has become. “He’s more machine now then man” could be expanded upon in the show if done right. That line of dialogue implies that Obi Wan might have a personal understanding of Anakin’s new persona from meeting him again as Darth Vader.

[@tseh3]

Wrong. Obi Wan says that to Luke in ROTJ after he's already faced Vader.

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@tseh3 Which line was that? And remember, Obi-Wan faced Vader BEFORE he was even put in the suit

[@tseh3]

@@onemoreminute0543 I know that. But on Mustafar Vader wasn't a machine yet. The line "he's more machine now than man" was spoken in ROTJ shortly after Yoda passes away on Dagobah when Obi's force ghost says it.

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@tseh3 Oh ok, that one. I just saw it as Obi-Wan putting two and two together concerning Vader's identity. He knew before Anakin became a cyborg that his new title was 'Vader'. He cut off Anakins remaining limbs and didn't actually see him die on Mustafar. So when he hears the news that the Emperor has a new cyborg enforcer called 'Darth Vader',not too long after his duel on Mustafar, he connects the dots :)

[@tseh3]

@@onemoreminute0543 In ROTS he watches a hologram of Darth Sidious say “Now Lord Vader go and bring peace to the Empire.” So he is aware of who Darth Vader is during ROTS. And you are correct about the rest.

[@CaspianNomad]

Ungrateful sounds like I'm being given a gift and should be thankful no matter what. Since I need to pay to see it, I'll criticise it all I want as a consumer.

[@brickabang]

I didn’t even realise that was the grand inquisitor upon first watching

[@PhantasticMrPhrog]

Hooo Boy… I can’t wait for the review of the Kenobi show. I’m sorry bro, but this shit ain’t gonna be pretty!

[@Geek393]

He’s gonna tear it a new asshole and I bet more people are looking forward to that than the season finale.

[@Amsel_616]

That Vader & Obi-Wan duel for me needs to be a remake of the Death Star Battle

[@towerbunga]

The issue with the grand inquisitor is simply casting. The actor is Rupert Friend (is that his name i am not 100% sure?) who i know from his role at the titular character in Hitman: Agent 47 (The terrible movie adaptation of one of my favourite game franchise). He plays 47 ok for the script he was given but his head shape is just not it. That's also a major issue with this as the grand inquisitor has a similar head to game-version 47, long bald head with sharp cheekbones and jawline. So why he's been cast as two characters with a completely different head shape to his own idk but that is the issue.

[@Galvatron_Studios]

I feel like another reason why they want to reunite Vader and Obi Wan pretty early on again is so that we’re able to know that Obi Wan knows what Vader looks like because if you really think about it Obi Wan never saw the Vader suit and to his knowledge in ROTS Anakin is dead so he wouldn’t really know who Vader is or what he looks like so it would make sense for them to meet again before A New Hope and explain why his reaction isn’t all that surprising when he sees Vader on the Death Star but that’s just my theory

[@Me11oCarm]

"Cough cough... ah fuck" Made me shoot blue milk out of my nose.

[@thebipolarbear1]

Finally someone looking at this realistically and didn’t forget all the tirds that looked good in trailers lol we’ll decide if it’s good after we see it

[@tomperry5947]

I did appreciate and like the dark tone of the bad batch and several of the episodes I really liked ! I think its miles above Boba and the sequels

[@PhenGoon]

I personally think it’s silly for Kenobi and Vader to never encounter each other. He’s most active in the Kenobi era and anything that goes wrong with the inquisitors, Vader is gonna show up to handle it himself. Kenobi is there to protect Luke first, that’s more important than him staying hidden. If there was nothing to protect him from when Vader and the inquisitors are actively looking for force users that would be too convenient for me.

[@ryanwalker5404]

This video took a strangely bitter turn

[@randytyson]

I think my biggest worry is kenobi can easily fall into the traps of boba fett including but not limiting a kid din prequel episode of the mandolorian.

[@KYCDK]

i love kenobi as a character same reason i love doctor who i reccommend watching it from series 1 of the 2005 revival, starts with the 9th doctor

[@Aisubun]

Unfortunately, Disney has proved with Dr. Strange and the MoM (and other recent products I just found that one the most egregious) that they will not stop crunching the CGI department if it means hitting their ridiculous deadlines. So, I imagine the weird inaccuracies aren't going anywhere.

[@mawhis]

Ultimately, it needs to be able to justify itself in its own right as a story, without relying on nostalgia.

[@fettbub92]

i agree with you on the Vader parts. My father, who was a boy in the theater in 1977, is more excited for it. i explained my opnion, being similar. Not only does it cheapen the fight in Episode 4, but any meetings they have in the tv show. I'll watch, but considering how they did Luke and Fett dirty, i wont hold my breath

[@straightjacket308]

"What needs to happen." Someone else needs to make the Kenobi series 🤣

[@LootFragg]

Ungrateful customer. How dare you consume a product without paying tribute to the mouse? Glory to the mouse! Burn the unbeliever who thinks he doesn't have an obligation to worship a corporation that's making mediocre quality shows.

[@hatuletoh]

The one and only way I could potentially feel all right about a pre-Death Star Vader/Kenobi meeting would be if they didn't fight each other one on one. If they were to encounter and speak to each other without any actual combat it would (more or less) preserve the impact of the Episode IV meeting. But I doubt it. I doubt this show is going to be good and respect not just the cannon, but the emotional moments in the cannon. I hate saying that, because Ewan McGregor is amazing: he literally carried two and half movies on the strength of his performance, and his respect for the character of Obi-Wan is obvious in every scene he's in. But given the Mouse Wars track record, my hopes for the show are next to nil. I hope I'm wrong--I would love to be wrong. But, well...just look at what they did to Boba Fett.