What NOBODY Mentions about LCS / Cloud9 FUDGED the Playoffs - Power Spike S3E10

IWDominate, MonteCristo, and dGon discuss Playoffs in all Major League of Legends regions, Cloud9 failing to meet expectations, BDS and Fnatic in LEC, the LCS Spring 2024 Split + an unfortunate truth about the state of the league, and more.
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0:00:00 - Global Playoff reactions
0:10:58 - T1 vs HLE preview
0:14:33 - LEC Playoffs
0:24:10 - LCS Playoffs
0:40:15 - Fraud Alert (Cloud9)
0:54:26 - Keep or Kick (BDS vs Fnatic)
1:08:59 - Galaxy Brain Club (LCS Spring 2024)
1:32:04 - Closing
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[@G2LoL]

why stop at 4 teams Dom just make it a one team league

[@misternacho9951]

but that would make G2 a last place team at the same time...

[@screaminghairyarmadillo]

​@@misternacho9951it's fitting, best in EU and worst internationally.

[@MrEpicness1234]

@@screaminghairyarmadillo😂😂😂

[@trevorsanso32]

thorin recently said G2 was a top 5 team in the world 😂😂🤣🤣😭😭@@screaminghairyarmadillo

[@screaminghairyarmadillo]

@@trevorsanso32 it's time for the old age home I guess

[@kroli_shorts]

Dom, wanted to thank for everything you do for the community. Love the LPL because of you for like 3 years straight now. Greets from Belgium!

[@chrisjones6069]

Let Dom know I appreciate his coverage of the LPL. His insight on the games is top tier and his commentary is even better.

[@DarkRoboWar]

NyeeNyee

[@junejuly5413]

You just did with the comment no? Also nyee nyeeeee

[@kang1983]

I like how Dom can give really good commentary on the game state and also be like "wow X player just turbo ran it dry"

[@hitlast1]

I work at 4:30am and would see dom streaming lpl, into lec at 11AM, LCS at 3PM, a talkshow somewhere in between. Wtf he's cracked

[@EgoCarry1]

Stream is enjoyable when he's not trying to argue against every troll that says something stupid

[@Raidizzy]

On the topic of coaches, NRG also got impacted. They were a 6th place team, got a shit ton of coaches, and then proceeded to become the best performing western team. They lost most of those coaches and instantly went back to being a 6th place team

[@MattM284]

Ignar diff tho

[@realjackyoung]

every time i see a new show in my inbox i grab some food and lock in. much appreciated

[@dgonesports]

thank you jackson young.

[@mentalcow]

I know I probably should but I really dont care about LCS viewership so much as the product is enjoyable. And it really was, less teams made it so there was more close competition and less "undeserving" players having spots just to fill rosters, less expectations internationally made it more fun to care about the league itself. The broadcast changes were all really nice for the viewer except for when they had to give room for Val and that storage closet "Cage fight" stuff didnt work very well. I also think finals felt really flat being it was just in the normal studio...especially with the CS major going on at the same time so it was jaring to go back and forth. Overall it was a really fun split and it had me caring about players since there was actually personality shown. Also I think there being less money helps everything... players are there for the game more than the money, everyone is less filtered and it feels more real personality wise, and in general everything felt less corporate espn than it has for a long while.

[@Turbovolver]

agree completely

[@axelerator17]

Really cuz it seems like the reason Berserker got mad and punched a wall was because it seemed like his teammates didn’t care if they won or lost anymore. So where is this passion you speak of because it seems our native players don’t care but the imports do

[@kang1983]

so T1 knows DK, DK knows GENG and GENG knows T1... and HLE is random

[@slash-xmusic9790]

hle rolls dice and then beats one of the 4 teams.

[@ranolol]

@@slash-xmusic9790 Nah they only lost series to GenG and T1 in regular season. Doesn't look random at all.

[@LetsPlayBojangles]

Fudge in the past 4 splits has gone from Great -> Good -> OK - > Liability. The down turn has been sustained for long enough that its time to cut. I still think he belongs in the lcs because the fire lit under him as it being his last chance before getting shipped off to the PCS would make him start playing aggro again

[@mbrown7325]

Not a C9 fan specifically. I think they were a 10/10 on the Fraud. The expected finish was a convincing first and the reality was a depressing third. Jojo looked better on EG last year with an objectively worse team minus impact. You could have replaced berserkers name tag with any other players in the region and it would’ve looked the same, Vulcan and berserker are clearly not on the same page. Blabber had a distinct lack of blabbering. I can’t think of a single thing in the last 6 games that was a point of redemption and that’s when they should’ve been at their best. Idk if a player change is the solution, a coaching change or a serious internal conflict. Someone has to organize the chaos though and get something moving.

[@kang1983]

I think it could be an issue of putting too many carries on the team like that so everyone was egoing

[@mbrown7325]

@@kang1983 I can’t agree with you because no one but Jojo really played the game.

[@Rayon811]

Vulcan frauded 😂

[@carlod5818]

​​@@kang1983 its not that too many "carry players" is a real issue (see last years jdg), its that they dont seem to have defined roles in the team and no playstyle as a team, so they run entirely on talent

[@ThePolarpop]

Yamato said a great comment in a stream recently. "I miss the Blabber thatd die for a crab." Real :(

[@abadida]

I wish the Factor code was available in Canada..

[@whiteflame24]

The problem with the LCS viewership is all of these changes needed to happen like 5 years ago lol. They are all great changes but I can't tell you how long me and my friends have complained about how long matches take in between, the bullshit pseudo analysis like its old school ESPN instead of just being fun and having segments which even old ass ESPN started playing into before Riot figured it out. It's just all too late like the viewership isn't going to magically come back. If they made these changes when they should have the LCS broadcast could actually be profitable right now

[@persephone9360]

Man you have FRIENDS who are willing to watch this stuff with you? That's wild

[@lauritzbuschenhagen5601]

i remember RNG legit dying of covid on stage and still clapping cheeks

[@hollowichigo1023]

Spawn interview was great DGon good work

[@appleinator8065]

Marc Merill made a donation to the charity he was on the board of every year. The year he was fined he didnt. Strangely the donation was always 10 thousand dollars.

[@skylerallen7256]

The LCS viewership has been discussed to death, but I wonder how much of it stems from TSM dying. I would wager a good number of old nostalgic fans just left the scene behind.

[@joshjackson6240]

I really want licorice to replace fudge since fudge replaced him initially.

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

I think fudge got influenced by LS style. Fudge plays not to make mistakes but not to win or lose. He needs to be replaced.

[@stefankatsarov5806]

What is LS style? He coaches player on carries to carry and to do things that help them win the game. If you are shit you shoud try and cheese. And if you need to play passive you do it.

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

@@stefankatsarov5806 to play korean style. Make no mistake don't take risk unless you the man advantage.

[@JxPgg]

@@raymondandsweetheart7150 Dont think you understand LS "style" at all if thats your summarization.

[@peterenis3507]

@@JxPggi‘d say what he said is ls style but with a important distinction you need to outscale your opponent to play that style and fudge doesnt outscale it feels like he plays for job security not for outscaling

[@jashanbrar2615]

I can't speak for anyone else but this is the first year in a while that I've actually watched the LCS as a NA viewer

[@FreddyWoodz]

Funny Monte brought up the external factors affecting teams and that's all the T1 fans are talking about now

[@biggerscomedy]

Fyi: there was no winners bracket 2019 and back since it was not double elimin

[@AkshayPrasadrocks]

As an NA viewer, I watch caedrels costreams because he is way more positive about NA than any of the actual NA costreamers lol. Just by virtue of not shitting on literally everything he sees he is by far the most postive costreamer, even when he sometimes criticizes stuff.

[@Tahcryon]

too bad he acts like xqc lite

[@silvafangtv]

I personally think his "positivity" is fake. He was not like that at all early on, he caught on if he only talked positively he would get all the viewers

[@AkshayPrasadrocks]

@@silvafangtv Who cares honestly. If the negativity of other streamers is real that makes them worse in my eyes, not better. I watch league to have a good time. Its not like he never criticizes anything either, he just doesn't spend all his time doing it.

[@Wardenaz]

and this is why NA sucks take your criticism no matter how harsh it is and move on and prove them wrong. It's been 100 years no improvement.

[@Pyrrha_Nikos]

He's been watching NA for one split. Give him more time, he's gonna shit on everyone too, just like the rest

[@bussinboots6616]

i think replace jojo, no way a oce player would be the issue on any team. they always make top 4 worlds

[@christianwallander2412]

Question: if it actually is as Monty guessed that european viewers are more than NA ones for lcs, is it viable for lcs to have european product sponsors?

[@andrewadams530]

I really do hope they would add the " phone a friend" so that we can hear mithy running from Jack enraged shrieks as he desperately phones LS praying that he answers despite the time difference so that he can get the advice from the coach they should have could have had for multiple splits now.

[@Sunburnt_Icarus]

I am genuinely curious as to what the c9 coaches even do how do you fumble this hard, I just want to hear their coaching philosophy & thought process because this should have been free

[@g0vernment746]

Will fly get their coach this playoffs?

[@kamallewis-gopie6956]

9/10 frauds for Cloud 9. 10 would be if they didn’t make finals weekend

[@Avvura]

It was close between LCS teams but at the end of playoffs, only FLY and TL seemed remotely good. That just adds to how bad C9 really was. All they had to do was beat one of these teams. They had plenty of breaks to get better and nothing changed. MAYBE, this korean bootcamp will help them since they still a somewhat new roster (same pieces, but as a whole, first time as 5). But at this point, I've already seen the result of bootcamps , preseason and pre-worlds....and it just never seems to matter. Hopium is pretty much nonexistant as a person, but as a C9 fan, I have to remain somewhat hopeful. Scraping by the LCS just isn't enough anymore. If I can't see any glimmer of hope for international, then I don't know. Actually, I wouldn't even care if they sucked internationally if they played like GAM, who usually has a poor record but at least plays aggressive and uses unique picks.

[@calumm3303]

In a bo1 lol that doesn't matter. Id rather find an up and coming mid that'll play with razork properly as currently it isn't working Too bad they burned the bridge with nemesis

[@Natthiad]

The Annie OTP in finals makes the allegations make sense at least.

[@zeevkeane6280]

Underrated comment

[@Aanenk]

yah lets not count the fact that it was covid szn back in 2022 so viewership shouldve been higher then.

[@rupok90]

Berserker would carry C9 through their mistakes and now he is just straight up inting so C9 looks worse but they always had these issues.

[@ryderthibault8893]

C9 is way more fraudulent then the tl super team we have to remember vc was more prominent looking at this c9 team and putting it in that time id assume itd also cost 7million but that tl team still won games against better teams then the ones in the lcs now this c9 team needs to be blown up i think they keep berserker and jojo maybe blaber get rid of Vulcan and fudge for sure

[@tuckerbartsch191]

its always weird to be how people say Core has been terrible the last two years. Core has been dominating bot lane 2v'2's for the last three years, but his teams hve not been good and they throw in mid game. Their mid game teamfighting has been terrible for the last couple years, (Core included) but it just looks like the teams were very out of sync. Regardless, hes been dominating botlane's the whole time

[@slycoopahh9352]

40:14 Dom’s nose is clogged for one reason

[@loganoakley5267]

I have been a major C9 fan since 2015, and I have had big problems with how C9 has been playing since the crab incident in 2018. That was when things started to hit the fan in my view of them. I believe the issues with C9 are varied, and I hope to bring some of those thoughts to the floor. #1 biggest problem that I have with C9 is their inability to keep a true shotcaller. I don't know how many people have listened in on the comms with teams and C9 in particular. Yes, comms are chaotic in team fights, but when it comes to set up and prefight execution, C9 doesn't have that one person to direct them consistently. Sometimes it Blaber, sometimes its Vulcan, sometimes one of the other players steps up for the moment. But there is no one grand strategist in game for them. Blaber is loud in comms, but he doesn't think strategically all the time. No one recalls him when he steps too far forward, which leads to bad fights and incidents like the crab fight. Zven was good at strategy, but the best person that C9 had in the role of shotcaller was Zeyzal. The downside of that is that Zeyzal wasn't the most versatile support in terms of champ viability. #2. Mithy. And by extension, Jack. Jack loves to win, but HATES losing more. That typically falls to the coaching staff. Mithy will not choose anything outside of the meta for team comps, even if it is detrimental to the team. Blaber SHOULD NEVER play support/tank champions. Fudge SHOULD NEVER play Renekton. This year, ADC's SHOULD NEVER pick Nami/Lucian bot. But, because it is meta, Mithy will put Blaber on a supportive tank jungler, he will put Fudge on a champion that has been terrible for him for years just to go down in CS and score, and he will make Berserker and his supp play Lucian and Nami. Time and time again, he slams the same champs in draft, hoping that this time will be different. #3. C9 used to be a fun team to watch because you never knew what they were going to pick and where it was going. The game that made me a fan of C9 was when Jensen, Incarnati0n at the time, picked Veigar out of the blue at MSI in 2015. Then, when Blaber came on the scene, suddenly you had to worry about Kindred. Fudge would pull out Fiora every once in a while. They were fun to watch, and they were having fun playing. Now, the focus is just on winning instead of having fun, and there are studies that show that your mindset when playing a game changes how you play. I noticed 2 years ago at Worlds that champ pools were reducing in size and games were becoming a variation of the same champs over and over again. This really came to a head when I started keeping track of champion pick rates this past year at Worlds 2023. There were 32 champs that got played in more than 10 games. There were 56 champs that got played in 9 or less games, 18 of which were only picked once. Out of 165 available champs at the time, only 19% of those were consistently played. of the 32 champs that got played more than 10 times, only 5 of them were not banned more than 10 times as well. #4. C9 has no true playstyle. Now, I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying they have one, but they don't use it. Blaber, who I think is a great jungler mechanically, is in a role that got nerfed to not be as useful to play through. When jungle is a strong role, there's no other player that I would rather have. But its not a strong role right now. The introduction of Smolder truly cemented the strength of ADC this split, but C9 REFUSED to play through bot. The few games that they did, they smashed. But, with the introduction of Jojo, C9 made it their mission to play through anything but bot. Top was a non factor this split. Jungle was nerfed this split. Mid lane was dominated by control mages this split, making it a less volatile role. That leaves bot lane to be the powerhouse, and C9 did not utilize Berserker to his full potential. They paired him with Vulcan, who is great on his engage supports, and made him play enchanters and roamers, further hamstringing bot lane. This was the time for Berserker to dominate, going up against lesser trained and skilled ADC's. But when you put an amazing ADC up against a lesser ADC, support, and jungler that are all hunting for him and his team gives him no backup, they neutralized him incredibly well. #5. Jojo. I saved this for last, because I don't like to call out individual players as a whole. I think most players have upsides and downsides, but I don't see the upsides in Jojo that aren't caverns if neglected. Jojo is not a good mid laner on his own. He can carry games, but only if he is spoon fed the first 15 minutes of a game, and then its still a toss up if he's going to go nuclear or just hand over a massive shutdown continuously. Jojo picks terrible times to engage, terrible targets, and is extremely predictable in his playstyle. The power of a mid laner is explosive when used correctly and in surprising ways. Neeko is the only champ I can remember him having big plays on this split, and those were not outplays. It was a follow up to a fight or a prefight that he would ult in on and either pick someone off or finish them off, then immediately get blown up because there was no follow up to the engage or everyone else was already dead. This idea of him being extremely predictable was brought to the forefront when Bwipo picked him off of Taliyah ults before he could get to the fight. Bwipo knew exactly where Jojo would uit from and when he was going to. By cutting off one of the two damage sources on C9, the other 4 players were able to dogpile on Berserker and pop him like a balloon. Jojo can go even in lane, but he is inconsequential if he is not massively ahead and he can't get ahead by himself. I don't get the hype.

[@ElReyDeNoche]

A lot of what you said about Jojo applies more to Fudge tbh. Man will pick carries and play to not lose while many games this split were being saved by Jojo putting in work on champs like Neeko.

[@Aanenk]

yo lol... says coulda killed jesus on another weekend...... what if we just didnt tho lol. There wouldnt be an easter. that ez

[@jimmymontgomery4581]

What does Monte even define as mid jungle synergy at this point and time? Razork Humanoid have by far the most kills in 2v2 this year in LEC and it's their best functioning part in FNC, they don't struggle with most mid/jg compositions unlike majority of other LEC mid/jgs. They got fisted by G2 cuz they flipped 3v3 with ult disadvantage lvl 5 around bot vs G2, boo hoo. Reality is this team got retooled with middle pack players like Oscar and Noah. Jun is solid but that's about it. Changing Either mid or jungle would be absolutely stupid as those are their best players. Actually so insane to fall into "those are the longest standing members it's their fault" bullshit in 2024.

[@janisarbidans8931]

Its just such a lazy talking point. You would think him as an analyst would come up with something new in 2024 but nah same shit for past 2 years even though stats prove that he is wrong. Gameplay in most games also proves that he is wrong. Our TOP side when Oscar is on tanks is FNC strong point. Honestly g2 series was just abysmal and if i was a coach i would take next day free for boys ,go to some spa or other shit and relax and try to forget that series. There was nothing to review as everybody was playing uncharacteristically bad

[@Cheezperson]

C9 fraudulency level is 7

[@filipmaric5951]

what is this dude talking about. Humanoid and Razork have solid synergy. Those two are clearly and mileah ahead of rest of Fnatic players and definitely they are both top 2-3 in their role in LEC. Meanwhile OScar is like mediocre top lane , Noah isnt even mediocre i think he is shiit this year. And jun is fine. Give this fcking team propet bot lane and stable top lane and it will challenge G2. Give em photon or irrelevant on top lane and carzzy bot and we rocking

[@calumm3303]

So change bot again and top again and you think it fixes the problem? Humanoid is getting bodied by caps despite razorks best efforts He hasn't been world class in three years. Getting kills against bottom tier lec teams is not relevant

[@filipmaric5951]

@@calumm3303 Humanoid is best option after Caps. There aint better one. Huma bodied him last they played

[@skylerallen7256]

Dom casually predicting the future, Corki picks solo lost T1 the series vs HLE

[@antonyrousseau7758]

I don’t think that the LCS product being better entices players or non players to watch. I personally think that the game being so toxic makes it hard to get new players, let alone new viewers. I usually watch what I play. And in the rare occasions where I watch gaming content I don’t play, it’s to know if I want to play it or not. Esports is marketing and Riot is failing. New players try LoL and get harassed out of the game on literally their first attempt to play with others. It’s even toxic when you are playing a game against bots. There is toxicity everywhere in LoL. I would bet money that if Riot was to remove what they call communication tools completely, players base would increase as would viewership of eSports.

[@alexpuiu6288]

Hear me out Fnatic, I have the amazing roaster for next year: Irrelevant Razork Larsen Change bot, I am not sure here what players to get. And now suddenly you have an elite team and depending on the botlane can be a contender for Lec titles.

[@gangrenousgoblingangrounou7583]

why change bot?

[@alexpuiu6288]

@@gangrenousgoblingangrounou7583 I think this botlane is just mid right now maybe will be better, but at this point I doubted that will be better. Maybe I am willing to keep Jun around for one extra year just because he didn't have time like Noah did.

[@stefankatsarov5806]

Well the problem is they recently resigned Humanoid and probably his contract is still hefty. Larsen is also under a lengthy contract and we know Rouge will want big bucks from EU teams.

[@cookslawi7073]

Rather have a rookie mid lane than Larsen lol

[@loke2821]

Larsen is such an npc mid laner, fanatic will ever achieve anything with him.

[@cepheus9856]

I would kick Team Heretics wtf.. This team is terrible almost losing to a bad SK.. I cant believe they havent talked about how bad this team was in these playoffs. Jankos, Trymbi and Wunder are underperforming so badly.

[@Cashmoneez]

bc that team isnt even relevant to them lol

[@MrDespisedIcon]

They ain’t underperforming, this is their normal level. They are washed. It’s not 2019 anymore.

[@PitBossReplicant]

The thing they haven’t mentioned on glazing over the LCS is how good Dgon’s casting is! Goddamn I miss dgon on the cast already

[@Loiko579]

I only watch LCS cause Dom costreams it

[@suunnz]

Dgon you are so cute buddy 👉👈

[@ryanv8783]

Still cant give apa or yeon credit. Copeing hard bcause you guys are so sure they are shit. Asol is being played in other regions,i guess its fine when caps plays it and gets solo killed by ori

[@cyrisbarrett8948]

They aren’t consistently good enough to say they’re good players. APA definitely isn’t good, but he played good enough with his TEAM to win. At least he wasn’t running it down.

[@nandoe8692]

crack down nin9 crack up si

[@kylelo8953]

The reason why nobody really talks about losing the strategic coach before the TL match is because it should have very minimal effects on how the team plays the game. Its why if you take a good team with a shitty draft vs a team with the perfect draft, you can almost guarantee that the shitty draft team will win because they are just the better team. Its how DRX won worlds. The better team that showed up wins. NRG beating G2 is another example. Its not that exciting when we try to think the what if G2 just played better or what if X-team just plays better because it disregards mistakes made in game.

[@jacksimmons530]

Fudge lost lane slightly to impact and bwipo. Two of the greatest toplaners in western history. Dom is completely over exaggerating his Laning which I get is Dom's job but he's usually correct. Fudge has been shit but so has all of c9, they don't have a clue how to play together or what to play.

[@axelerator17]

Impact I agree but what has Bwipo done after FNC? I don’t remember him winning mvps and I certainly never heard people say he’s one of the greatest tops in the west.

[@dirkdiggler7253]

Fudge been losing all split guy

[@espada7646]

The issue is, even they struggle to think of someone to replace him. You can try licorice, but you don’t know if you have him from last year or him before his power up last year. Other than that you import, which doesn’t fix their issue of not knowing how to work together. They’ll just have even less synergy lol

[@wootie118]

I really.like monte I pretty much agree with every opinion he has

[@DRAGONADElol]

Anyone can do a lol podcast but in this channel you get all the background ,(mark meril cult ) stories, and the real analysis that the other channels are too afraid to talk about

[@mw2nubcake]

This is what the four horsemen is all about, go watch those episodes

[@dm4226]

Why does dom say you get second and third item quicker with shiv first? You shouldn’t need shiv to help cs this is pros we are talking about.

[@Raidizzy]

Shiv clears waves fast while being cheap. The faster you get the item, the faster you catch waves. The faster you catch waves, the faster you can rotate to catch other waves/kill camps. Leading to more gold and faster item spikes, especially because your first item is so cheap.

[@skylerallen7256]

If you can push waves faster, you can transition to taking camps or get onto turrets faster or setup for fights that get you gold

[@dm4226]

@@skylerallen7256 but we are talking first item. That’s laning phase

[@dm4226]

@@Raidizzy then why don’t they go hurricane? I believe one person did it in pro and everyone blindly does it without asking why they are doing it. Hurricane can do the same thing. we are also talking about jinx. hurricane on jinx is nuts late game Id rather have hurricane over shiv late game 11/10 times.

[@Raidizzy]

@@dm4226 so hurricane is better if the enemy team has a lot of melee that want to run at you. Shiv in certain cases is better mainly because the item right now is overtuned because of its stats and the price point on that patch. Shiv is a better rush because it gives you prio as well as having a decent amount of ad and attack speed. I don't really see why you'd rush hurricane because it doesn't provide any damage that early. More of a teamfight item

[@xben9216]

Another PS, another Monte perma hate on TL. This just start to become more and more unbearable. At this point it's just better skip him while he talks about TL. Dare I say they miraculously pull out a win against an eastern team in MSI, he would pull out excuses why that team lost instead of praising TL.

[@dgonesports]

1st

[@lastfreenation]

lies

[@anonihme5142]

test

[@nooootnooooot]

Monte dont spread insinuatiions that Spawn leaked the Phantiks stuff come on dude people do talk about it in the scene

[@thelight3270]

The fact that they talk about external factors regarding LPL teams at 2022 worlds but not the external factors affecting LCK teams at MSI 2021 and MSI 2022 just tells you all you need to know about these clowns

[@minhocho5487]

Yeah, both MSI giving advantage to chinese teams was kinda stupid.

[@finalfantasymad]

Wasn't it monte and thorin on summoning insight who literally called Riot out on their bullshit of that issue at the time? Short memory?

[@gymmineutron45]

Theyll never talk about it. Because Dom still butt hurt about pigle. He just hates koreans.

[@minhocho5487]

@gymmineutron45 That is false. He never gave me anything to go off and say that he doesn't like Koreans, just toxic korean fans. Also I think it seeks like they did talk about it.

[@flashorb2707]

​@@minhocho5487 still don't change the fact that they randomly brought up an excuse for lpl at worlds 2022 but lck don't get these same energy for msi 2022 or even t1 in worlds final2022 when zeus was sick

[@feartheoldblood7222]

This Monte guy is insufferable.

[@TonyLee-fm2fy]

Why is Monte’s first instinct always to say something negative or be critical ? His parents must have been cruel

[@Hdhfb34768]

Monte and thorin are the same

[@12ARedSon]

Travis Gaffer fan in the wild 🤣🫵

[@iMmunashe]

He does have good insight and constructive criticism for the most part 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@crazykillerpanda101]

Yeah the older I get the more off-putting monte and thorin get. In college I thought they were Le epic edgy contrarians but now I’m just like, relax, it’s gotta be exhausting to be perma negative. Waiting for dgon to snap on him one of these days.

[@TonyLee-fm2fy]

I would say that Monte’s criticism is often the exact opposite of constructive He never gives solutions only tears people down, often his criticism is just to defend some of his own opinions or make himself feel smart

[@XharHellgaze]

Monte makes this almost unwatchable. SO much negativity and a massive grudge he can't let go.

[@PleasureMe]

I just watched the dive and they praised apa to high heaven for na talent again lol

[@taylorpeay8991]

i mean he has gotten significantly better. he was a 2 trick. but he geniunely played well off of his main champs. his taliyah was actually good. i wanted him off of TL. but if he keeps improving then thats good. we talk about developing NA talent but then cut prospects for not being immediately good.

[@axelerator17]

They are paid to do so. Thats why I can’t watch their podcasts because they are afraid to call them out on their bullshit. APA played well this weekend but we all know Impact carried them by gapping Bwipo.