What Question Should You Ask Non-Christian Friends?

If you notice that a discussion with an atheist doesn't lead anywhere, it is time to ask an important question.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

"MOST PEOPLE AREN'T ON A TRUTH QUEST, BUT ARE ON A HAPPINESS QUEST." I've heard Frank say it often, and I've got to say it's true. The irony is, however, that if you put the pursuit of truth FIRST in your life, then you will eventually find true and lasting happiness!

[@baruchspinoza7404]

LoveYourNeighbour Question.... Do you consider yourself on a truth quest?

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

To be honest, since the last decade or so, I've no longer considered myself as being on a truth quest. I think it was around the time I had finished reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, and I concluded the arguments and evidence pointing toward belief in a creator are far far more convincing than the arguments and so-called evidence for Atheism. I was already reaching this conclusion by the late Nineties, actually, but by around 2005, I had pretty much ACCEPTED the fact that Theism is true, and Atheism is false. So I had reached the end of that 'truth quest.' I checked out your channel, by the way! 1998-2000 was my favorite era for this particular style of Electronic Dance Music. Transa - Behind The Sun, is my favorite song for this particular style. Cheers! Baruch Spinoa.

[@baruchspinoza7404]

LoveYourNeighbour So you’re no longer on a truth quest. Isn’t that placing yourself in the same bag as the ones you say aren’t on a truth quest either? And thanks. Oakie’s the best in the world.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

I DIDN'T say anything about "the ones" who "aren't on a truth quest." Please don't attempt to put words into my mouth. If you are trying to suggest to me, that after I had reached the CONCLUSION to my "truth quest" regarding Atheism vs Theism, I was "in the same bag" as people who had never even GONE on a truth quest, that simply doesn't make any sense! After reaching the conclusion of my quest for the truth regarding the validity of Atheism vs the validity of Theism, I was no longer on a quest to discover the truth about the matter. You can't continue on and on searching for something you've already found! I assume you didn't intentionally try to misrepresent what I had stated. So hopefully this time you'll understand. Cheers. And I hope you'll make sure to check out the song I mentioned. It's a little-known gem.

[@baruchspinoza7404]

G Will I’d rather hear it from himself. Thanks.

[@lorenasalas3]

“When the student is ready the teacher will appear.” love that 🙏

[@ar2ro969]

@J M Are you here? i can answer

[@DJosh-cs5vx]

Was about writing this also.

[@sirijun9463]

Bro I was questioning this today and this video popped up right after. God is really leading me thank u god

[@danielmartin8428]

That answer was the best possible response and I think it’s true. As a Christian people will watch you and so be a good example to them. They might see something that they will also want for themselves

[@ScottEbruh]

Love Frank Turek's ministry! I've learned so much from him and other apologists. I recently decided to even start my own apologetics channel as I strive to pursue truth, and to share it with others.

[@evidentone9teen259]

Lol, for a moment... I thought that was a tree behind you! I had to go into your channel to make sure. Subscribed! You should invest a few dollars in Google AdWords to get your trailer out there.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

That sounds great! The best way to begin (that I know of) is to learn the best arguments from both sides (Atheism & Theism). I began in the early Nineties, by reading the best books (that existed back then) that made their best case for both sides. Listening to debates with William Lane Craig (and more recently) Frank Turek have been quite informative as well. I noticed your channel has J Warner Wallace as a featured channel... Make sure to read his book: God's Crime Scene. It's among the very best Christian Apologetics books of all time, in my humble opinion :-)

[@todbeard8118]

ScottEbruh, Try to make it enticing for atheists to come on as well, perhaps a debate forum. There are a lot of atheists and the more atheists who visit your channel mean more money for you from advertisers.

[@ScottEbruh]

@@todbeard8118 Thanks for the insight. I definitely want to reach out to them. After all, how else are we suppose to fulfill the Great Commission laid for us in Matthew 28:19-20 👍🏽

[@todbeard8118]

ScottEbruh , I'm agnostic myself but enjoy watching apologists like Frank Turek. I think there's some kind of debating tool out there where if anyone could invent it, it would be very prosperous. Perhaps something like a Christian/Atheist debate but for the average person in the form of a contest. Have viewers vote on who they think won the debates and have winners ultimately competing with each other for top honors. There may be something there.

[@evidentone9teen259]

"When the student is ready the teacher will appear". Thats going straight into my journal of quotes!

[@evidentone9teen259]

@nickj14711 Hey... at least this philosophy will stop us pesky Christians from continuing to badger you about Jesus after you've already made it clear that your not interested.

[@evidentone9teen259]

@nickj14711 Oh, ok. Well... On behalf of all Christians, I'm sorry for being such hateful and evil people. Take care of yourself Nick. Thank you for being such a cool headed beacon of morality.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

Frank's 2014 book: Stealing from God - Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case, has great quotes you should add to your journal! Here's a couple for you from page 214. "We Atheists don't believe in anything we can't see, hear, touch, smell, or taste - except for the multiverse, which we can't see, hear, touch, smell, or taste." "No one really has free will - except we Atheists, when we freely arrive at our Atheistic conclusions." LOL, take care!

[@Rhinomssy]

@nickj14711 quick question if you don't mind? Which part of the Christian message is hateful? And how is it harming kids?

[@Rhinomssy]

@nickj14711 I'm still trying to figure out how any of that is hateful. You mentioned that Christians teach that we are all born sinners and non are good. If that is not true then I wonder why we as responsible parents must teach our kids to do good and not do bad things. If in fact we are all born good as you suppose than there would be no need for discipline or teaching your child right from wrong. They would just naturally always do good.

[@kassandrav9668]

Amen, when the student is ready the teacher will appear ❤

[@jasonrodgers880]

He makes a good point. At the same time, I'd add to it that "what I say isn't nearly as important as who I am." If people see me living a life of love and peace, even in the midst of hatred and turmoil, they will see my gentle example for their lives. It's up to them to choose what life they wish to live - not me.

[@blueskies382]

Interesting never thought of that before

[@paulrock4816]

This happened to me at work. The one guy that picked on me & other Christians mocked us, told on us, picked fights with us. One day he did not show up for work, one of his friends told us the Doctors gave him about three months to live, (full of cancer) they could not even find the host he had it everywhere. We (Christians) went to the hospital to see him to weep with him, tell him we are there for him. We gave him some cartoon Bible Tracts as we left, before he died. He went out of his way to talk to us, to wave at us as he saw us. I heard from his wife he did seek the Lord or maybe "religion" before he past away. Remember they are still blind, & need the gospel.

[@jalonglover4488]

RIP to your friend.

[@ADMusic1999]

If Christianity were proven true, it would be irrational to deny it. However, it would be perfectly rational to not become Christian. Christianity is more than just a truth claim. It is an ideology, way of life, and religion of dogma. You can accept that Christianity is true without choosing to worship a god who sends people to hell for not living up to his standards and for refusing to accept his blood sacrifice as a gift. I have enough proof that Nazi Germany existed, but that mere fact is not enough to make me want to be a Nazi. Secondly, when atheists have problems, we don't actively look for Christians to talk to. We talk to anyone who can help us and give us comfort. I don't know any atheist who would be like "stuff just happens and there's no reason for anything so f u." I think that an atheist would probably do what they can to help someone because we believe that you only have one life which is finite and it would be horrible for you to spend it suffering. And while you, Frank Turek, are posting videos about how to convert atheists to your religion, millions of people are dying from starvation, disease, poor sanitation, natural disasters, etc. Just think: if every church in America donated 10% of their income to charity, how much of a positive difference would Christianity make on the world? Yet, Christianity's message is to attack the atheists, attack the Muslims, attack gays and lesbians, deny science, fight wars, build walls, prepare for the rapture, and wait for the world to die. Atheists are "hostile," right? Disclaimer: Frank, I know you don't believe all of these things, but your group does. Before you point the finger at atheists, make sure that your group isn't just as bad. John 8:7

[@ADMusic1999]

@G Will Would it be irrational? If you knew for certain that someone was going to torture you unless you worship him, would you want to give him praise and glory for the rest of your life? I know that you might do so to protect yourself, but would you want to? Only Christians can provide the real deal? Yes if the real deal is judgment and hatred once you disagree with them. I donate to the poor and suffering people any chance I get. I volunteer to feed the homeless and have done many other selfless things. Instead of giving my time and money to a church that does nothing but offer people superstitious answers to real problems, I give it to people in need. Ever heard of Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg? They're kind of famous for donating and being atheists. And, their foundations are still on the top list of most charitable foundations. What part of the bible did Jesus say, "attack those who disagree with you?" The hatred of Muslims goes all the way back to the first Crusade, but that doesn't make them evil. And the word "militant" should be used when a group is trying to militarize. What gay person is out there buying guns and bombs for the gay revolution? They already have the rights they wanted so what would be the point of them militarizing? The bible says that the Earth is 6000 years old, man was made from dirt, snakes can talk, a flood can wipe out the world, people can turn into salt, and people can rise from the dead. The message is in the bible so when you see those evolution and round-Earth deniers, you know exactly where they got their inspiration. There's nothing wrong with defending yourself, but when you go to another country and kill millions of innocent men, women, and children, it becomes a problem. Bad stuff gets in with walls. You know airplanes are a thing. Over a span of 30 years, we go from a republican president saying "tear down this wall" to a republican president saying "build the wall." No the world should not die. It has problems but those problems are being fixed. Until we reach Mars, this is our only home in the universe and we need to protect it, not destroy it. I'm glad that atheists don't have the guts to show their hostility. I'm glad that we don't bomb abortion clinics or protest equal rights. I'm glad that we promote freedom of speech and get angry when people are punished for not standing for the anthem or refusing to pray. I'm glad that we dont advocate for killing people who disagree with us and that we generally respect life and the time we have to live it.

[@andrewgraham7659]

Way too true - it's the hostility. No-one is pursuing the truth because no truth will ever satisfy them.

[@lilchristuten7568]

If they don't want to hear about God they shouldn't be your friend. Your job is to proclaim the goodness of God and how He has been working in your life. If they walk away then let them walk away, Jesus said if they would listen to Him then they'll listen to you, and if they reject you because of Him it's not you they're rejecting it's Him, shake the dust off your feet and keep walking the path He is leading you on. The thing is that the people will not come unless the Father draws them. People who hate God cannot come to Him because their hatred for Him will not allow them to.

[@SailingSeignior]

If Christianity were true I would acknowledge that it was true but I would not be a Christian meaning I wouldn’t worship the god. The god of the Old and New Testament is a monster. No one should worship a monster regardless of if it’s true. That’s why atheists say they wouldn’t be Christians if evidence were provided for the religion. Same goes for Islam and other horrible religions too. This is not difficult to understand. Even a Christian could figure it out.

[@ChrisFineganTunes]

It's not about wanting to be God of my own life. I went on a pursuit of truth having been a Christian my whole life. I found no evidence for God. I have no desire to become a Christian again but if I at any stage become convinced that a God exists then, as Hitchens would say, I still have all my work ahead of me. If God is real, what is its nature? Which, if any, of the religious doctrines of the world are true? If the God of the Bible exists then I don't think I'd want to worship him if the Bible is true. I don't what God to not exist because I want to be able to lower my own standards. If God exists then I would expect God to have standards that are, at the very least, higher than my own. And I don't see that in the God of the Bible.

[@petarvasiljevic8764]

"Even heaven would be hell for someone who doesn't want to spend the eternity with God".

[@suzanneflowers2230]

If I read your post correctly, it seems that you have high moral standards. At the same time, you read Scripture and don't come away thinking that God's standards are any higher than yours. We may have high standards, but we can't keep them. All of us have, as an example, broken some or even all of the 10 Commandments. Only God, who is holy, can keep them. So we shouldn't think for even a skinny minute that we are good enough to come into the presence of a holy God. Only through realizing how bad we are and how holy God is do we see our dire need for the Cross. When we see how much we need the Cross, our hearts are hit with a Tazer! Christ paid the price for our sins, so as a result we can have forgiveness and even access to the Holy God of the Bible. I encourage you to think about this, because knowing your Savior makes all the difference- in this life and for the life to come after you die. I hope you get hit with the Tazer, as I did. When you do, you will become a new person.

[@ChrisFineganTunes]

@@suzanneflowers2230 Your response assumes God's existence and assumes God's goodness. I'm not convinced of either. I can't worship the God of the Bible any more than you could worship Zeus or Shiva.

[@darrylelam256]

But does Frank understand why the atheist wouldn't become a Christian... He should he's been told the reasons often enough but he refuses to tell his sheep those reasons. He asked if they would become a christian, they would believe in a god but that does not mean that they would worship the christian god and therefore actual be a christian. This is where Frank and so many other theist prove that they are wholly dishonest. Because the a reasonable answer was given to the question that they asked. Because the question was not would you believe in a god. Just because you believe a a god does not mean that you have to follow that god. In fact if the christian god actual exists, then I would actively fight against that god because that god is highly immoral. I'm not going to become a christain when I find the christian god to be highly immoral, that's not rational. We do not want to be gods we do not think we are gods, we simply have no reason to believe that gods exist. Even if you prove that a god exists that doesn't mean that we have to listen to anything that this god says. Belief is not the same as blind worship.

[@patrickcolvin3043]

True every1 doesnt think there gods but some do that's like a big ego here what frank is saying so if there's no proof for any god after death that means we can't be gods and death is our god or judge to take us to an unknown place

[@jebheadrick4079]

Hey Daryl, when you say that you couldn't worship a Christian God because He's highly immoral; on what grounds do you make this claim? By who's authority? Yours? If so there is a logical and philosophical problem with your position - one of the characteristics of the Christian God is that He is Omniscient. How can a being (you, or anyone else for that matter), with limited knowledge (some of this knowledge being critical to making any kind of reasonable judgement of God's character. IE why did He create us? Why does He allow suffering and pain? Why does He allow evil? Is He obligated to follow some code of ethics himself, etc.?) make a just and wise judgement of His character? Would you rashly judge a friend for an action or words expressed if you only knew that he / she did, or said what appears to be damning? There are answers to these questions if you are interested? Some of the following related questions have challenged the minds, and troubled the hearts of mankind for time immemorial! 1. Why are we here? What is the purpose of life? 2. How do we accomplish this / these goal(s)? How do we then prioritize our lives? 3. Why must we suffer in this life? Why is evil allowed? 4. Who are we truly? How do we relate to God? To the Universe? To each other? 5. When / where did our life begin? At conception? At some stage in the womb? At birth? At some other time / place? 6. Is there life after this one? If so, what's it like? Where is it at? I challenge you to answer these questions in an internally consistent and logical manner. Better yet, find a single source, be it science, philosophy, popular theism, or even metaphysics that provides an internally consistent answer to each of these questions. Good luck, you're going to need it! BTW, I'm not an uneducated, anti - science, fundamentalist Christian. For the record: I'm abd for a PhD in chemistry (focus organo - metallics) I hold a MS in chemistry I hold a BS in chemistry (focus organic) and a BS in physical science I have three peer reviewed papers in prestigious chemistry and physics journals, And I've taught chemistry and science courses at the high school and university levels Look, I realize some of these questions may prefigure what at first blush seems to be talking points for some type of new - age - guru (that's the reason I included my science background.

[@maow9240]

How is God immoral?

[@jhmejia]

To be fair, you could say the same thing about Islam to many Christians. It's difficult to talk about hypotheticals being true if you believe they're false and they hurt people. I assume most Christians would say no if you asked them about Islam, or even Mormonism- they'd just say "it's not true, though" or something like that

[@cnault3244]

"If you notice that a discussion with an atheist doesn't lead anywhere, it is time to ask an important question." It might not lead anywhere because the Christian will make a bunch of claims, the atheist will ask the Christian if they can present evidence to prove their claims, and the Christian is not able to.

[@Richard-ov3bw]

Evidence: “The more I study science, the more I believe in God” -Al Einstein

[@IceyGuy]

@@Richard-ov3bw wtf did you smoke to think that an aapeal to authority is any sort of evidence?

[@maice_kanin722]

@@IceyGuy because how did the universe, laws of physics, atoms come from?

[@todbeard8118]

How do you teach a group of kids about God? -Who he is and what he does? Gather them in a classroom and never show up.

[@bdf2718]

ISWYDT.

[@BestAnimeFreak]

Oh ... I guess one of my teachers in college was God then ... Sometimes he just never showed up in class for 1 1/2 hours ... and then class was over and we just left xD

[@craigmcgrath8681]

If there were no God would you believe it?

[@baruchspinoza7404]

Craig McGrath I’d want to know how we know that.

[@craigmcgrath8681]

@@baruchspinoza7404 if I could give you a sufficient and convincing answer would you believe it? I'm not going to, but I'm just asking for fun.

[@a.d1287]

If it was true then i would believe it.Most christians would.because we are interested in the truth.not what is convenient .But i know jesus is the truth ,and the truth will surely set you free.

[@craigmcgrath8681]

@@a.d1287 if Yahweh and Jesus were not God how would you be able to find out? Where would you start looking as an unbiased detective?

[@a.d1287]

@@craigmcgrath8681 if he was real ,all his teachings and status would also be valid.if you pray and ask god to reveal himself in a way you can understand,he surely will .thats how you will know that christ is real and living,once you actually have an encounter.most people convert not because of apologetics,which works too,but most convert after meeting him.why don't you try and see what happens if you want to live the truth so badly,and prove you are objective/unbiased

[@rouge4855]

A coworker of mine actively praises lucifer and tells us not to pray for because she wants to go to hell. I pray anyways of course. I would like to have a deep conversation with her about it but we work closely together and I know it would make working together difficult. She is very resentful of Christianity because of past experience and a over all misinterpretation of scripture. It’s funny because she wishes to be her own god but she can’t even seem to make herself happy. She is a very miserable person. I’m just waiting for God to give me the perfect segue to have a productive discussion. Pray for me! (And her even though she claims she doesn’t want it)

[@iammeiamme9666]

So why cant you let others be? Stop trying to convert people, if they don't want to believe in it then stop, people have the right to believe differently.

[@Isaiah53_John3.16_ChangeUrLife]

@@iammeiamme9666 bro she wants to go to HELL? you think that's fine? Think about it. A blind man is in a house that is burning, you are running to get out and see him there...so you will not take the man out of the building just because it would be seen as "forcing him". NO!!! you're saving him from DYING because you care about them come on. Same here. She's trying to save a person from ETERNAL pain.

[@Isaiah53_John3.16_ChangeUrLife]

@Rouge any updates? Has her situation improved? Or does she still want to go to hell? Anyways...i will keep her on my prayers in Jesus name 💕💕

[@BestAnimeFreak]

"A coworker of mine actively praises lucifer and tells us not to pray for because she wants to go to hell. I pray anyways of course." I bet my 2 cents, that she is mocking you and you don't even realize it xD"and a over all misinterpretation of scripture." Don't worry, you misinterpret a lot of scripture as well ^^ "Pray for me! (And her even though she claims she doesn’t want it)" See? That is a problem. People tell you to not do something and yet you do, because you think you know it better, even though you certainly don't.

[@BestAnimeFreak]

@@Isaiah53_John3.16_ChangeUrLife "bro she wants to go to HELL? you think that's fine?" Considering that place does not exist, I have no problem with it, at all ... People wanting to go somewhere and people actually going, is a big difference ... A lot of kids would like to go to Hogwarts ... guess what, not gonna happen ... so regardless if I would find it good or bad, I would not intervene, because it is a fictional place they will never reach anyway ... "Think about it." Fallacious metaphor incoming. "A blind man is in a house that is burning, you are running to get out and see him there...so you will not take the man out of the building just because it would be seen as "forcing him". NO!!! you're saving him from DYING because you care about them" Big difference. The fire can be felt and verified by literally everyone ... it is an immediate threat and can be objectively verified to exist ... Hell isn't ... hell is neither objective, nor can anyone verify that it actually exists ... there is no evidence what so ever about it and all you got is the claim of its existence ... So when you break into a blind mans home while the house is NOT on fire and you drag him out of there with force, because you think the house is burning ... Yes, that is a real douche behavior ... you will get arrested for breaking in, assault and tried kidnapping ... "Same here. She's trying to save a person from ETERNAL pain." As this 'threat' can not be verified by literally anyone, we have to assume that the claim is made out of thin air ... Otherwise, demonstrate there to be an actual threat ... You can't? Then get outa here ! ".i will keep her on my prayers in Jesus name" I ask Satan to counter your prayers \m/ ... yeah, as if I spend my time doing something ridicules as that ... Hail Satan though \m/

[@darrylelam256]

If I proved Darth Vader existed, would you became a Sith?

[@gemguy6812]

yes.

[@kyrak5683]

Yes

[@mcnastyboy6920]

Darryl Elam hell yeah

[@maow9240]

Whats the benefits package like? More importantly what are the insurance or retirement plans like?

[@grahamhaspassedaway4580]

@@maow9240 You seem to get robot hands and life support suits quite easily.

[@ISkeptic649]

I'm in the pursuit of truth. I read christian books, watch christian news, and choose other sources of information that support my current views.

[@trumpbellend6717]

. "Truth" is demonstrated dear not asserted, its that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith" Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge. Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜 To assert as FACT that for which there is insufficient evidence is intellectually dishonesty and essentially no different than a *"LIE"*

[@djhudgins8412]

But you must remember that some people will never change, you can't hold that against your soul. The way to destruction is broad for a reason, most people will want to choose it. You can't cast pearls towards swine and expect them to appreciate it.

[@djhudgins8412]

@nickj14711 Because I have faith. Everyone has faith is something they can't prove, most of it usually resides in eschatology and whether or not God exists. Are you a fan of "Occams Razor"?

[@baruchspinoza7404]

Dj Hudgins I don’t accept that I have anything like religious faith.

[@djhudgins8412]

@@baruchspinoza7404 Ok you can say that, it's your opinion, but whatever you think happens to us when we die is faith. I'm guessing you might be the type of person to say we all rot in the ground? If so that is what you have faith in, that nothing will happen after death.

[@baruchspinoza7404]

Dj Hudgins What does the evidence say about our bodies when we die? Forget faith, I’m on about observable repeatable evidence. Every single time without exception.

[@djhudgins8412]

@@baruchspinoza7404 The same cannot be said about the soul my friend. You have faith that the soul stops along with body?

[@philipcopes7902]

I don’t want Christianity to be true because it would mean that billions of people will spend eternity in hell. Not because I want to be God or because I think it would spoil my fun. Lol

[@hneedham5116]

if i don’t want to hear about your religion, don’t tell me about it. simple.

[@MultiBigAndy]

Easier said then done..

[@hneedham5116]

Andre Gouvea just don’t talk about your relgion. easy

[@rejithregi2588]

"When the student is ready the teacher will appear." Nice

[@bradrob2863]

The Ravi joke isn't gonna go over well now ...woow

[@kenfaulds8818]

Jesus Christ is the great exemplar. Humans are mere mortals.

[@oliverburall1578]

If I knew God existed I wouldn’t worship him/her because they are doing nothing to stop millions of children dying all around the world

[@maow9240]

What about the other millions of children they have stopped from dying all around the world?

[@pumpkinkill2937]

I think it have sth to do with the ripple effect!

[@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651]

Is Christianity true? Why should one believe in the bible?

[@lilsaam]

A lot of atheists actually DO want there to be a god. They want it to be true over anything else, but they just can't rationally justify that belief hence - they're non-believers.

[@MultiBigAndy]

I am thinking they don't want the bible to be "true" because of what happened in the old Testament.

[@dan4992]

@@MultiBigAndy if the bibles true then it's true, unfortunately in this world the idea of religion just isn't very convincing to a non-believer

[@1godonlyone119]

You are a very bad liar, lil sam.

[@lilsaam]

@@1godonlyone119 Lol what

[@tmcalhoon9668]

The issue is that Turek is equivocating between two definitions of the word "believe" here. To illustrate, I believe, on historical grounds, that Julius Caesar was assassinated by Roman senators on the Ides of March. However, my belief in this does not have any effect whatsoever on the way I live my life or the morals I follow. Likewise, some people believe in God, but this belief has no effect on the way they live their life or their moral behavior. In summary, the two different definitions he equivocates between are as follows: believe = cold, meaningless intellectual assent, vs. believe = enduring effect on moral behavior.

[@sydelle3941]

This is by far the best Frank Turek video! God bless him.

[@username82765]

I can only guess however... I think what the other Atheists are saying is NOT that they would deny the evidence but they would NOT worship the God of the Bible. I would worship out of fear of an All-Powerful God who has demonstrated himself to be sadistic and cruel for completely arbitrary and unnecessary reasons.

[@bdf2718]

But he'd know you're faking it so you're screwed anyway.

[@gemguy6812]

if you could show me a verse from the Bible where God was arbitrarily cruel?

[@bdf2718]

@@gemguy6812 Flip to a page at random in the OT and you'll find one. Probably a lot more than one.

[@gemguy6812]

@Hey Zeus How would someone who has only been around for a few years know what an all powerful, all knowing. being would do?

[@niclaz79]

@@gemguy6812 Well most Christians claim they know what he means, says, and wants from humans. So you tell me.

[@pikminpuck8015]

The premise is flawed. Being a Christian would entail that you worship the Christian God. If Christianity is true, then it would mean God actually comitted genocide by flooding the world, sending bears to maul children, commanding the slaughter of the Amalekites, gave guidelines on how to treat different types of slaves, killing Job's family to test him only to give him a new one, etc. If Christianity was real, who in their right mind would be a Christian and worship a God claims to be good but acts evil?

[@jeffreydean5112]

Your comment is flawed. A little bit of research would go a long way. When God flooded the world, he gave the people HUNDREDS of years to turn away from sin and they didn't. They were extremely sinful and had plenty of time to turn back to God and didn't. They were given warnings about the flood and laughed and mocked God and Noah. God didn't send bears to maul children lol study the text a little bit please before commenting. The word "youths" in hebrew would have meant young adults which were around 30 to 40 years old, not children (people lived for hundreds of years at this time). The Amalekites were, like the people of the flood, extremely sinful and they attacked the Israelites when they were freed from Egypt. It was uncalled for and unprovoked but they were violent killers and God did away with them. The Bible's word for "slave" is not like the word we use today. This is not like the Africa to America slave trades we saw before the civil war. The hebrew word of slave means more like a servant that is looking to pay off debt or working.....like a job.....where they get paid. Were there slaves that were treated unfairly? Of course there were....look at the israelites in Egypt lol The Bible is very against that and God saved those people. Also God didn't kill Job's family, Satan did. But I will say that God stood by and watched it happen. But look at what happened - Job was not only given a new family but he was blessed with more than he had before. It seems unfair but for Christians, it's about Christ and what He did for us. Job was in Satan's hands (as God stated) and Satan wanted to make his life miserable. I don't get why people get so mad about Job's family dying and his wealth being taken away from him but Job himself (who lost all these things) was still able to praise the Lord. So, in other words, you're more upset about Job losing his stuff than Job is lol I don't write this comment to be a jerk and I understand that the Bible can have some parts that seem bad on the surface but I don't understand people who attack something they don't research and don't care about. Again, 10 minutes of research would give you the answers on these events - Google is a strong tool, I promise. People attack God about things in the Old testament yet never give God the credit for sending Himself to be sacrificed so that we won't go to Hell. I mean, that's a pretty big deal.

[@AntonioLopez-fr7xr]

Great advise. Thanks for information.

[@Uchizumaki1]

Bad advice don't take it. Try listening to people outside your religious group instead of listening to bs from pricks

[@TheAnxiousAussie]

Yeah no. Its terrible advice.

[@kingjamesbiblebeliever8387]

Frank Turek is a very intellectual individual, I love his work. That’s why I’m going to see him in Baltimore this evening

[@jacobshank7336]

Frank is awesome!

[@ScottEbruh]

He was in Michigan earlier this month, but I couldn't make it. Hope he comes back.

[@kingjamesbiblebeliever8387]

Chris Boyer yeah I’m very lucky I hope you get to see him live one day, God bless

[@kingjamesbiblebeliever8387]

He most likely will return to Michigan, he travels all around the country, to hundreds of campuses

[@baruchspinoza7404]

Samuel LoCicero He appears to be intelligent but his arguments for god are fallacious. I’m surprised he’s still a Christian.

[@christinaf8417]

I don't have non Christian friends. I'm nice to everyone which makes them think I'm friends with them but if we don't have a common foundation we have nothing in common. It is the most spiritually draining experience.

[@ChrisFineganTunes]

To an extent I understand that - I find it hard to find common ground with right-wing social/fiscal conservatives because I cannot get my head around their worldview. However I do consider the desire to attempt to bridge those gaps to be a virtuous endeavour. To dismiss the possibility out-of-hand seems very limiting to me.

[@celticwarrior1365]

How about "Hi, how are you?"

[@miguelmaturino2516]

That’s quite boring though

[@anuraglamichhane1733]

"If christianity were true.." Oh you wish! Sadly it's not.

[@quiverumquaerit]

How do you come to that conclusion?

[@anuraglamichhane1733]

@@quiverumquaerit no evidence. Period.

[@quiverumquaerit]

@@anuraglamichhane1733 do you have proofs that there's no evidence?

[@anuraglamichhane1733]

Proof is you can't give me the evidence. If you do then give me.

[@quiverumquaerit]

@@anuraglamichhane1733 what evidence do you want?

[@MadBastich]

If it were true, it would be true regardless of belief and faith wouldnt be required ahead of time. you only need faith to believe in something for which there is no evidence. because if there was evidence, you wouldnt need to believe it, it would simply be true.

[@iowasenator]

You're absolutely right.

[@maow9240]

That depends on the evidence. Science doesnt deal with "proofs" and science itelf has been wrong which is why we say science is self correcting so nothing would need to be self correcting if it was never wrong and it cam take yeasr, decades, or centuries even before something comes along to show science wasnt correct and must correct itself so science just like anything else requires faith

[@stickmansam8436]

Other great questions to ask(whenever they assert something)are: "what do you mean by that?" and "how did you come to that conclusion?". Questions are powerful in seed-planting/harvesting; no wonder why Jesus used them alot to make His audience think hard and re-evaluate their assumptions. I recommend every Christian here to read "Tactics" by Greg Koukl; it will help you in your interactions with non-Christians.

[@baruchspinoza7404]

Stick man Sam I’ll have a go at that. How did you conclude that Christianity was true?

[@maow9240]

@@baruchspinoza7404 revelation from God by the holy spirit and historical evidences that coincide with the bible

[@kjstars]

Awesome answer as always.

[@niclaz79]

Ridiculous and intellectually dishonest answer.

[@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle]

Wow so many hostile people in this comments section.

[@epock11]

I want Christianity to be true. But I don't want Islam to be true.

[@Premariss97]

Islam cannot be true.They believe that if they kill themselves after they killed someone they will go to heaven.That's why there is so much terrorism nowadays(but of course not all of them believe the same).From this point of view it means that one that kills someone is practically stealing the opportunity of the other to get to heaven. This doesn't stand for a righteous God,not at all.

[@paragonofvirtue270]

Martin Prometheus : Islam is true and not even little Jesus can prove any different .

[@trumpbellend6717]

Wow talk about disingenuous frank wants you to sign the contract without seeing the small print. I care about "truth" not only with regards to the existence of a "God" but also the truth of said gods actions and desires conforming with my perception of morality. 😊

[@abri1997]

How is it “forced down your throat” isn’t your country free-speech? Freedom to speak one mind and thought? Well, My Mind is Christ crucified, so I speak Him

[@scottgodlewski306]

As a non-Christian I find this question to be problematic if it's not coming from someone whose versed in apologetics. I would want to know what is meant by "true". That Jesus is the son of God. That he died for our sin and was resurrected? Are all of the Bible true? Literally true? Frank likes to take context out of things with is little sound bites.

[@TheAnxiousAussie]

If i'm having a conversation with someone and they bring up religion and why i'm a sinner of course i'm going to be resistant! I don't want to listen to someone telling me that a god I don't believe in is going to send me to a hell i don't believe in, just for being myself. The last thing someone should do in a situation like that is to continue to push the topic. Just take religion out of the conversation entirely please.

[@maow9240]

How do you know that What you are doing is right?

[@TheAnxiousAussie]

​@@maow9240 Could you please elaborate?

[@maow9240]

@@TheAnxiousAussie you are complaining about being called as sinner but you say that's just you being you so don't call you a sinner or that you sre going to punished for it. So how do you that what you are doing, which is you being you, is right?

[@iammeiamme9666]

@@maow9240 It is rude to call someone a sinner because they are not a christian, guess what everyone has different beliefs wheter having a religion or not, wouls you like it if a Muslim called you a infedel? You can't make others listen and you definetly cant force christianity on them, especially when they didnt ask for your opinion to begin with, so to each their own, let others live life the way they want and they will let you do the same.

[@maow9240]

@@iammeiamme9666 Christian doctrine doesnt say you are a sinner if you aren't Christian though according to the teachings we are all sinners not just non Christians but Christians alike which is why Jesus is so important. The teachings of christianity is not to force it onto anyone but simply spread the gospels amd when someone doesnt want to hear it then move to the next person. A muslim can call me an infedel all they want I still be willing to talk to them about it amd if they dont wamt to have a rational conversation then i move on as I must remember that we are all sinners

[@trumpbellend6717]

How telling that if Christian soteriology is correct the most important factor that differentiates those deserving eternal paradise and those deserving eternal torment is the geographical location one is born into. If one is born in Saudi Arabia there is about a 95% chance that you will belive in the "wrong" God and reject jesus and thus receive eternal damnation in a lake of fire. However be born into America and magically there is about a 95% chance that you will believe in the "right" God and thus receive eternal salvation. 👏👏 Aledgedly this is the justice of a perfect omnibenevolent omnipotent omniscient loving God. The fact that many people who reject jesus often lead devout pious lives and follow very strict and demanding religious practices with regards to worship, diet, clothing and relationships is not a factor, these people seemingly reject jesus because they *"want to sin"* 🤔🤫 Some live lives of isolation and quiet contemplation taking vows of celibacy and silence but the loving jesus still deems these people unworthy of anything other than eternal torment. Conversely however a murderer so long as he truly repents and accepts Jesus on his death bed he can spend an eternity in paradise with those he murdered. Unless of course those people also found the "evidence" for your God unconvincing, in which case the murderer would be looking down from paradise on the people he killed as they too suffered for eternity with me 😡

[@Taker02]

Would a christian convert to Baal if his religion was true? I don't think so. Neither a non christian would like to submit to what they consider a false god, an evil being if he was real. The only reason would be if there is not another choice, if the only choice would be between that god and punishment.

[@rlunnerstall]

What if someone claims to be a Christian and lives otherwise, what should we ask them?

[@gemguy6812]

show them in the Bible where they are wrong- just make sure the log is out of your eye before you take the sliver out of theirs

[@zeddicuszorrander3599]

You could ask them why they are living contrary to the Biblical teachings. One of the main problems humans have is that they don't want to listen to what other people say. When it comes to Christianity, there are so many interpretations and beliefs. They could be following God as they understand the Bible, or they could not be, but you're not going to know unless you listen to them without trying to judge them before you have information.

[@rlunnerstall3527]

Agreed

[@MAC...007]

When the student is ready the teacher will appear.

[@thenaturalpeoplesbureau]

Turek is Taliban lite

[@peteyk9391]

I’ve watched many of your videos. Your reasoning to this young woman’s question may be my favorite of all. Well done!

[@alejandrojoselizano]

I am an atheist, I will never follow christ and I defy Frank Turek.

[@melissabattles3196]

There are so many problems with this video's logic I can't even list them all. So I'll list the ones that make me facepalm and respectfully roll my eyes the most. 1. Mr. Turek, you are guilty of a black and white fallacy by implying that atheism and the Christian religion are the only two possible positions of absolute truth. Even if this claim were true, to argue its validity by using a black and white fallacy (which he's intelligent enough to know he shouldn't be doing) renders your argument's power moot. Why? Because there are millions and millions of people who could use the EXACT same method of argument for their own religion or belief system. For example, a Muslim could say this: ''Atheists say they're on a path to truth, yet they are apathetic or even hostile to the Islamic faith!'' (thus implying that Islam is the only true faith and thus the atheist is not pursuing truth because they are not pursuing Islam). To accuse an atheist of not being on a path to truth simply because they lack faith in a god is as vague as my saying you are not on a path to truth because you are ''apathetic or even hostile to'' the belief in the Loch Ness Monster. (Though, to be a bit pedantic, I'd technically have the upper hand since not only are there numerous eye-witness accounts of old Nessie, such an aquatic beast would at least have a greater chance of not violating the laws of physics and biology). 2. I'm absolutely OFFENDED at your arrogant, callously insensitive claim that atheists like myself don't want there to be a god. Yes, absolutely I know of atheists who say they would not like the idea of a universe with a god. But as a former dedicated Christian, I (and so many other atheists like myself) don't share their opinion. We-- especially perhaps those of us to whom our faith in God was the most important thing in the world to us-- would LOVE to be able to again believe that there is a heavenly Father watching over us, guiding us, protecting us. How callous you are, Mr. Turek, to undermine, ignore, or deny the grief and sense of deep, profound loss I and so many other atheists have had to face when what had been our identity was stripped away from us and we realized that we were alone-- no guardian angels to shield us, no reuniting with my Nana and Papaw who recently passed away who I'd do anything to share one more moment with. How dare you, sir, belittle or ignore that kind of pain when you've never had to experience it. I and so many others tried desperately to find some way-- some evidence to adequately convince us that our faith was true. In the end, our choice was taken away by conscience and moral obligation to ourselves not to accept anything we no longer believed was true because of such an overwhelming lack of evidence. I do not lack faith because of desire; I lack it because of conscientious necessity. And, for the record, if someone presented irrefutable evidence of a god tomorrow, I'd wake up with an overjoyed smile on my face at the discovery. Though, even if this happened, what guarantee would you have that it would be the God of the Bible? What if it were Zeus, or Odin, or some as of yet unidentified deity? You see, you'd ''still have all your work cut out for you.'' Perhaps, Mr. Turek, you should try to understand the different kinds of atheists instead of trying to speak for us all. Unless you'd like the verse changed to ''Man sees the outside but Turek sees the heart.''

[@sierraclark6129]

Hey, Jesus Christ saves and He loves you😁✝️

[@TrashBunBun]

Ask this atheist anything, I answer with honesty ALWAYS.

[@randommanny7659]

Do you like cheetos?

[@TrashBunBun]

@@randommanny7659 I do like cheetos. Crunchy and puffy. Can't eat hot though, heartburn is a hoe XD

[@TrashBunBun]

@Rookmations Lolol weirdly, KZbin didn't notify me EVER of that comment, just yours. Which is WEIRD. But yeah, crazy how that works out :/ Almost like they're avoiding.

[@randommanny7659]

@@TrashBunBun thanks for your honest answer. Praise the Lord.

[@TrashBunBun]

@@randommanny7659 Ramen :P

[@WWYG316]

It always goes back to a heart issue!

[@WWYG316]

nickj14711 There is more than one definition to the word, you an also look at a lexicon to see the background of the word if you are truly interested, search specifically for "the heart of man". Mariam Webster's dictionary The heart 4 : the emotional or moral nature as distinguished from the intellectual nature: such as a : generous disposition : COMPASSION a leader with heart b : LOVE, AFFECTION won her heart c : courage or enthusiasm especially when maintained during a diffiicult situation never lost heart 5 : one's innermost character, feelings, or inclinations

[@flamemojis]

@nickj14711 what a fool

[@gemguy6812]

@nickj14711 was that comment just a chemical reaction within the brain or did you use your mind?

[@gemguy6812]

@nickj14711 i keep asking you what credible evidence do you want? The evidence for a round earth is apparent but flat earthers still demand evidence that it is round.

[@gemguy6812]

@nickj14711 I can't give you evidence for God, who by definition is a supernatural being, until you tell me what credible evidence would suffice for such a being. Do you want to see Him ? not proof because it could be an hallucination. How about healing of an amputee? Naw, one could simply believe that evolution was accelerating.. How about making the statue of liberty disappear before your eyes? Nope, David Copperfield did it already.

[@liju24]

Frank Turek-master's degree in Public Administration and Doctor of Ministry in Apologetics from Southern Evangelical Seminary. Not much of a scientist. No wonder he cant think rational way

[@DaveSpicerUK]

Awesome, thanks Frank 👊

[@danicaauge983]

Brilliant advice thank you 🙏

[@boxingfit]

Guys could someone please explain why he attacked Ravi Zacarias in this clip.... Ravi is a total man of God and has given his life up to the path of truth... have i missed something???...please and thank you

[@koopsterdabomb]

boxingfit he didn't attack him. It was a compliment as a joke

[@beautywbri7540]

That’s funny bc when one of my catholic friends mother died I comforted her. N told her that her mother loved her. To carry her memories in her heart and spread the love her mother gave her around the world. Years later we got together for coffee and wanted to thank me for helping her get thru that Time in her life. She told me i was easy to talk to n my advices helped her thru the pain. Guess what I’m an atheist!!! Stop acting like u guys have a monopoly on love n understanding bc u don’t. It’s bigoted what this man is preaching

[@juarts3352]

I did not know what love was in the past and God taught me to love, not only who is sad, but to love others, not to judge others, not to wish a murderer to be killed, not to speak ill of the LGBT community, to accept the other's point of view, etc... We don't have a monopoly on love, God has it and he teach us to love

[@beautywbri7540]

Jessica Tuzine u missed the point

[@beautywbri7540]

Jessica Tuzine ur god doesn’t notninform my life that’s the point. Y’all need to accept god isn’t an influence on everyone’s life and people like me are not evil for not believing the same as u

[@TE-ow8wk]

I love how he acts like because he pretend to know there’s an after life that makes you someone to turn to in difficult times. If I’m going through something I don’t want someone who’s going to us the situation to get me to join there cult

[@basicalized]

Real Love comes from God. You can make someone happy and not be truly Good

[@alexrojas9725]

AMEN

[@AtamMardes]

How did you free yourself from the shackles of religion?

[@baruchspinoza7404]

nickj14711 It seems like a magnet for the human psyche to fall into unless you’re prepared to educate yourself about the world outside of it.

[@AtamMardes]

+G Will Christianity is no better than any other religion. If you read the following Bible verses & it didn't realize that the Bible was written by primitive barbaric people, then u are intellectually dishonest brainwashed religious fool. No offense. The following Bible verses teach how to buy slaves, how to beat slaves, how to enslave children, how to pass slaves on to next generation as inheritance, how to not treat relatives the way slaves are treated, how to sell daughters, how to kill unruly children, how to kill non-virgin brides, how to downgrade woman by ordering them to be quiet, and how to slaughter an entire nation including their children, infants and animals. You should be ashamed of your dumb self for praising a God who orders the slaughter of even one infant in any context. Exodus 21:7 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Numbers 31:18 But all the women children, who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Exodus 21:2 When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. 1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. Exodus 21:21 But they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Luke 12:47 The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. Leviticus 25:44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. Psalm 137:9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear. 1 Samuel 15:3 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

[@chumbucket5109]

If you don’t believe in the Bible, read it, do everything it says and watch it “fail”.... heads up it won’t

[@robertoesquivel4447]

The Bible only gives two commands. To love God and to love your neighbor (every single human being). I promise you, that if you're sincerely trying to do both, then in the end you won't fail. ✝️❤️😊

[@chumbucket5109]

Roberto Esquivel a lot comes with just those two commands. “They claim to love God but they deny him by the way they live” (give or take some words) now it gets deeper into the way we live etc. I think we are on the same page lol I can see how my comment can look wrong but God’s word never fails!😁

[@chumbucket5109]

nickj14711 the thing is finding God is a personal pursuit, I can’t do it for you. I could go on and on about how God is real and exist but how heavy would the words of just someone on the internet way on you? If you aren’t in a committed pursuit for God then you won’t find him. To think that all that we see physically was just an big accident it’s historical to me. For something to exist it must be created and for something to be created it must have a creator.

[@baruchspinoza7404]

Joshua Woodall On the other hand..... If you are promised an afterlife with the creator of the universe who loves you. So long as you believe in his words. Why wouldn’t you believe that?

[@chumbucket5109]

Baruch Spinoza I’m sorry my comment is confusing, I believe in God and his word and promises

[@shantheman9922]

If christianity is proven true, I would now believe that christianity is true. That doesn't necessarily mean i'll immediately fall in line with their doctrines or beliefs. That would be becoming a christian. At that point, God would have a lot to answer for, and depending on how he responded, I may or may not begin following him. Blindly becoming a christian just because you find out it's true is throeing away your autonomy and the free will he supposedly gave us. And just because god believes something to be true (like being gay is a bad thing) doesn't mean i'll agree with him

[@Telamonian]

From an atheistic standpoint there is nothing wrong with Christian values, “treat unto others as you would like to be treated” you are basically saying that you still wouldn’t believe, you still wouldn’t follow Christ in your world where you finally found the truth about him. Blessed are those who believe that didn’t see.

[@shantheman9922]

@@Telamonian it depends what you mean by christian values. If it's everything in the bible, then it's messed up. If it's not, then you used your own sense of morality to determine that. And like i said, i would believe he exists, not that everything the bible says is correct

[@PockASqueeno]

What if they say yes? I’ve never asked anyone this question, but I can think of one person who would most likely say no and another who would most likely say yes.

[@PockASqueeno]

nickj14711 Because some atheists legitimately are seeking truth and are convinced that Christianity isn’t true. Contrary to popular Christian opinion, not all atheists are atheists just because they “want to sin” or because they were hurt by religious people in the past. Trust me, I have friends of all different religious beliefs and lack thereof.

[@gemguy6812]

@nickj14711 they might say yes because it's true.

[@gowth_292]

maybe idk not bring up religion??they can be worshipping another god and they don’t want to hear about it or they are atheist,please dudes just go on to another topic

[@maow9240]

If you knew someones brakes were out on there car wouldn't you want to tell them not to drive that car because the brakes arent working?? If they dont want to listen thats fine but their actions affect others and can make others not listen to you even if its the truth.

[@zeddicuszorrander3599]

@@maow9240 I understand where you're coming from because I'm a former Christian. But we can flip this arguement around. If an atheist relentlessly brings up that your god's moral pronouncements are impacting and harming others, you'll probably be annoyed by it. But if people don't want to hear what you have to say, then all annoying them will do is turn them off more to what you say, than it will help. I have trouble finding the balance as well because I see so many people being harmed by god's immoral teachings.

[@maow9240]

@@zeddicuszorrander3599 well Gods teachings is to love your enemies and your neighbors like you love yourself and to love your spouse just like christ loved the church so how are these teaching immoral and harmful?

[@zeddicuszorrander3599]

@@maow9240 Those teaching are good. But that's basically taking just the Gospels and ignoring the rest of the Bible.

[@maow9240]

@@zeddicuszorrander3599 not ignoring anything actually as even in the old testament the isrealites we reminded about how they were oppressed in Egypt so do not do so to others.gotta keep in mind the old testament was for the isrealites as the other nations rejected God which was the old covenant and the new testament is the new covenant putting away specific laws that were not taught in the new testament. Not ignoring anything

[@bayouboi3668]

What if they say yes, they would become a Christian if it were true? How then do we bring them around?

[@alexhaynesjr]

My question too

[@BestAnimeFreak]

Easy ... you can't °L°

[@viktorijakrasovska8390]

🔥🔥🔥

[@baruchspinoza7404]

This is a nonsensical question. If Christianity were true, no one would have to use faith to believe it and this would nullify Christianity.

[@brainblox5629]

Asking "if" implies that even the asker doubts christianities validity

[@brainblox5629]

@G Will You are just twisting Veruchas Words. If you really wanted to disprove him you have to use his own logic. "If Penicilin was true, noone would have to use faith to believe in it, and this would nullify Penicilin". That sentence makes sense. Penicilin is working, regardless if the patient believes in the effects of Penicilin or not. Doctors can analyze the blood and *observe* the penicilins rampage on biotics *live*.

[@MP-yc2ou]

You are the atheist that would answer NO

[@MP-yc2ou]

Faith=believing. You have faith in a chair that you sit down on or a car that you choose to get into. You believe, you put your faith in these things. Faith is not supposed to be a blind faith. This is the irony tho with atheists, and whats more ironic is they really have the blind faith in what the foolish biased professionals with degrees present themselves. You are putting your blind faith in a PERSPECTIVE, nothing more. Microevolution is the only Truth. Everything else is an unscientifc assumption.

[@baruchspinoza7404]

MP D1 No you’re wrong. I have experience of a chair usually holding my weight. I have experience of a car usually working how I expect. You do not have any experience that Christ rose from the dead. That is blind faith. You need to watch “The Atheist Experience” which has covered many of these fallacies that you’re using. It is YOU that uses religious faith. Stop projecting that flawed method onto everyone else.

[@sabiititimothy5802]

How about when someone says no to that question its becoz they cannot worship a God who sends people into hell for eternal sadistic torture? Isn't that reasonable?

[@champagnegonzales6815]

probably tell them that God does not want anyone to go to hell but people chose to do so. God is holy and just, He could not let sin go unpunished. if we would apply this to a judge in a court of law, a judge who turns a blind eye to someone who murdered and raped 3 girls is not a good judge. God doesnt want anyone to go there, thats why He sent His Son Jesus to take the punishment for our sins.

[@BestAnimeFreak]

@@champagnegonzales6815 "probably tell them that God does not want anyone to go to hell but people chose to do so" And then I tell you that an all loving God wouldn't let any of that happen, because it literally goes against his nature ... Which then means, your God does either not exist or is a sadistic monster, which doesn't deserve worship. "God is holy and just, He could not let sin go unpunished" He could snap sin away from everyone, as he is omnipotent. And because he is omnibenevolent, he'd actually do that, to safe us all from harm ... yet according to you, he doesn't. So again, he either does not exist or is a sadistic monster. "if we would apply this to a judge in a court of law, a judge who turns a blind eye to someone who murdered and raped 3 girls is not a good judge." Great, so God is not a good judge according to you. Why? Because the one who murdered and raped 3 girls goes to the Judge (God), tells him that he accepts Jesus as his lord and savior and gets scotsfree ... no punishment ... Yeah, great. "God doesnt want anyone to go there, thats why He sent His Son Jesus to take the punishment for our sins." To stay with the judge analogy. It is as if the judge is saying to the murderer, that he can go free, because the judge himself will go to prison instead ... This is not justice, that is madness ...

[@adamrspears1981]

I have several issues with The Bible & Christianity. Here are some very important questions, that sadly, I am not hearing people ask: There were people in The South & Middles Americas. GOD chose to have them born on Earth, in geographic areas where they & their ancestors were geographically & physically cut off from Christ; The Prophets; The 10 Commandments & The Torah. GOD also chose to have some of them born on Earth, in The South & Middle Americas, while Christ was walking in Judea. These peoples *NEVER* heard The Name of Jesus Christ. They *NEVER* heard The Prophets. They *NEVER* received The Bible, nor heard The Word of GOD. They were *NEVER* taught about Faith. They *NEVER* heard The 10 Commandments. They *NEVER* were given The Torah. These people *NEVER* got a fair hand-shake from GOD. Because GOD chose to place them on the Earth during a time, & to where they would be 100% physically isolated from learning of GOD & THEIR Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. ________________________________ -So with all the above in mind, here are my questions... & I ask because I feel like since I have realized this terrible tradgedy, it is my duty to at least pleade my case to GOD, on behalf of all these (probably millions....if not billions of) people!!! Because who is going to be their voice? They are dead & no one on Earth today, seems to think of them & care about the lot in life that GOD gave them...much less the fate of their souls! So I am that person. I am questioning GOD on their behalf. I will be their voice, to make their case. I will inquire of GOD to give an answer. Because a Just GOD cannot be Just, if THEY judge everyone to the same standard, after not giving to everyone the same measure. These peoples were short-changed. They didn't get the same opportunities *(they got ZERO opportunities)* as the rest of The Human Race that was given at least 1 of the 7 following opportunities: (1) The Prophets (2) The Torah (3) The 10 Commandments (4) Some of us heard Christ directly as a physical man (5) Some of us heard Christ indirectly via The Bible (6) Some of us heard The Disciples & the Apostles directly as physical people (7) Some of us heard The Disciples & the Apostles indirectly via The Bible -But these peoples were geographically cut off from hearing *ANY* of the above list of 7 ways GOD measures unto a person THEIR Teaching of THEIR Way & THEIR Hope for redemption. ...So my questions are, *WHY* ? *WHY* didn't GOD give these peoples not even one of the 7 opportunities to know GOD, THEIR Laws, THEIR expectations, THEIR Word -THEIR Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ The Living Son of GOD?? *HOW* can a Just GOD judge these people when GOD chose to deny them any of the 7 opportunities? *WHY* would GOD show partiality?.... especially concerning this??? *WHY* would GOD choose to give a sub-set, group of The human Race *ZERO* of the 7 opportunities? *HOW* can Christ return if not everyone heard His Name? *SINCE* Christ could walk on water.....Before Christ laid down His life on The Cross, why didn't Christ at least just walk across The Atlantic Ocean & share his Good News to these peoples?? There were also many people in The Pacific Islands & Oceania who, like the peoples of South & Middle Americas, never got *ANY* of the 7 opportunities that I listed above. *WHO* is going to plead their case unto GOD? The Church doesn't really even care to acknowledge any of this! & if Christians _do_ acknowledge this, they come up with a cop-out excuse to justify it .....such as, "Well GOD writes upon the hearts of men THEIR Laws, so they don't need Prophets, The Bible, etc..& GOD can still judge them because they have a conciense..." -Ok, so if that's the case, then *WHY* do any of us need the Prophets, The 10 Commandments, & The Bible? *IF* those people didn't need to hear The name of Jesus Christ, why does _anyone_ need to hear The Name of Jesus Christ?? *IF* GOD writing THEIR Laws upon the hearts of men is good enough, then why would GOD of sacrificed THEIR Only Begotten Son, in the first place?? ...Wouldn't writing THEIR Laws on the hearts of men & giving men a conscious just be good enough?? I mean, the whole demand for a Savior stems from GOD's Laws written upon our hearts, & us having a conscious *NOT* being good enough... i.e. we need The Savior, Christ. -Well these peoples were kept from knowing GOD & Christ because of where & when GOD chose to place them upon the Earth. ________________________________ So obviously there is a misunderstanding surrounding all this. I hope that GOD "Grandfathers" these people into The Heavens. A Just GOD would have to, in order to truely be a Just god, under these circumstances. ________________________________ This is a big problem for Christianity. & so far it remains one. But most importantly, *WHO* other than myself cares about those people's souls?? Christians don't seen to care about them.

[@adamrspears1981]

@Beetchacha What you posted is exactly the reason why I ask the questions I have asked. According to the Bible, Jesus Christ showed up a little bit late to the party. Had Christ laid down his life for The Human Race *prior* to Abel being murdered by Cain, then your's & Christianity's claims would hold water. I am sorry if I come off as a little bit frustrated. Its because I am. I very clearly & methodically laid out that a flaw of Christianity is that people who lived & died prior to Christ's birth; & who were geographically cut off from all Old Testament dealings/events, could not ever hear The Name of Jesus Christ. Most of your post addresses peoples upon the Earth during & after Christ's time upon the Earth. You did, however, cite the typical "GOD's laws are written upon the hearts of men, so their own mind/thoughts/conscience will suffice on Judgement Day" scripture. Ok. So taking that at its face-value (because if One believes that GOD authored all scripture, then what is the harm in taking GOD's Word at face-value?) ....So taking it at face value, what it is describing is that peoples without knowledge of Old Testament dealings (Prophets, 10 Commandments, Torah, Abraham's Covenant, etc..) & who never heard the name of Jesus Christ (because they died prior to Christ's birth) are basically left to navigate through their lives with their own moral compasses. & let's face it...when a person is left to decide what defines "right" & what defines "wrong" in their own life....their definition is not going to be the same as another. I'll give you an example: People that lived in Middle or South America, prior to Christ's birth may have worshipped (what we know today to be) a false god. But to _these_ people it wasn't a false god. It was as real as real can be to them in their minds & in their society. They didn't have the 10 commandments. & as far as we know, there may not of even been the *concept* of a false god in their minds. Now the 10 Commandments say, "You shall have no other gods before Me." -But these people didn't have the 10 commandments. So from their perspective; in their society.....they would not be able to know that they were doing something that God forbids them to do. So (& this is *very* important) if their minds or their conscience is going to be "the standard" that they are weighed against on Judgement Day, then they are good to go & have nothing to worry about. Why?.... Because in their mind, they did nothing wrong. They needed rain for a good crop, so they sacrificed virgins &/or babies to their Rain god, for example. They did the only thing they knew to do. As I said, for all you & I know, the concept that "there is only 1 real GOD, YHWH, & any other god is false" may not of even existed in their minds. So they had no idea that they were breaking 1 of the 10 Commandments....even if someone from The Levent were to of shown up at their door-step just to poke their head in & say, "FYI....there exists this tablet with 10 Commandments etched into it!" -They'd still not know they were doing something that GOD doesn't like. Ok. But going by what you & I know today (by hearing the name of Jesus Christ; having The Bible complete with the 10 commandments) of course, from our position upon the Earth at this time that we live in, we can vety clearly & easily see that their moral compass was not pointing True North. But to these people, it WAS, even _if_ they were sacrificing children & worshipping a "Rain god". -Why? Because GOD placed them upon the Earth geographically isolated from any of GOD's Law (which would of shown them "True North" on their moral compass as they lived out their lives) *AND* GOD also placed them on Earth prior to sending THEIR Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, The Living Son of GOD. I can't stress enough the *absurdity* that "An all-powerful, all-knowing, & completely in control, GOD wants to rectify flaws of being Human......but THEY squat on THEIR Solution (Jesus Christ) for thousands of years.... resulting in (possibly trillions, if not million or even billions) of souls living & dying with no Savior; -& some of which not even hearing the words of The Prophets. -Which were GOD's *direct* communication-line to people... (but only just for a limited few!...Because after all, a Just, Loving, Merciful, & Gracious GOD who wants every Human Being on Earth to know THEM & THEIR Way would *only* directly communicate with a select few.) ...prior to Christ The Mediator of GOD & people. *AND* this so-called "Just" GOD is going to judge them! To anyone who believes that every soul gets judged: What about the unborn who are aborted? ...Is GOD going to judge them too? What about babies still in diapers that, unfortunately, die.....are they going to be judged? -Now wait a minute! Before you hurry up & answer, let's consider what Christianity claims of sin: Christianity claims that we are *born into sin* . The act of being born makes us sinners. That is _why_ Christ was born of a Virgin from The bloodline of King David, because Christ's father is not Earthly but The Heavenly Father. That is _why_ we must be *born again* . Ok. So what about, for example, a new-born healthy baby, that unfortunately dies of corona virus at the age of 6 months..... According to what Christianity claims, that child was born, & born into sin ...... So does GOD judge a 6 month old baby?? Judge them based upon what...& for what? Wait a minute, Christianity claims that a 6 month old baby is a sinner, because after all he/she was born into sin. See how ridiculous this is??... ________________________________ Look, if you or anybody out there wants to believe Christianity; & are ok with its teachings & claims...great. What you & others decide is up to you & others. But for myself, after literally decades of studying the Bible; hearing Christian Doctrines; being baptized, praying, fasting, attending church, asking questions *& getting different answers from quite a few Christians* -Some of these various answers not even being compatible... -All from Christians/bible scholars that claim they "Know The Truth" & "The Bible is very clear" -but after asking them the same question, they each give answers that sometime contradict each other. To where so many times I am left thinking, "Well it cannot be both ways. At least one of these "Bible Experts" doesn't know what they are talking about." -& this _is_ the problem you get when you have a belief system that allows just anybody to wake up one morning & claim GOD told them "x, y, & z". ________________________________ Imagine if just anybody could wake up one morning & claim that they are a brain-surgeon & were allowed to start cutting on people in the ER... -That would be a real disaster wouldn't it?

[@adamrspears1981]

@Beetchacha No Sir. How can one believe another exists before that other is even born? How can one Call upon The Name of The Lord, when they've never heard The Name of The Lord?? People who lived & died prior to Christ's birth, cannot -As it is written in Romans 10:9 kjv " *That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved* ." Why? *BECAUSE ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANITY, CHRIST SHOWED UP LATE TO THE PARTY* So by the time He was in the mix, others had already showed up to the party; had their fun & left the party! -I really don't know how else to break it down for you. -& _this_ is exactly what I am getting on about! -I am so fed up with you people because you guys reply with stuff that makes no sense! In your last response, you claimed that the peoples who I am addressing: *PEOPLES WHO LIVED & DIED PRIOR TO CHRIST'S BIRTH* knew Christ just as you & I know Christ! ???????????????🤯 wtf, dude?? & really I apologize for taking my frustrations out on you. Its actually *not* your fault. You have been brain-washed, & as a result, unfortunately you lack the ability to grasp simple concepts. & this is why I urge you to do whatever you must to separate yourself from the source of your brain-washing. I truely & sincerely wish you all the best. ________________________________ Sorry. I made the mistake of assuming you were a guy. & as you have informed me, you are not a guy. So I apologize for assuming you were a guy. ________________________________ However, _if_ my only mistake here is assuming you were a guy on social media, with a name on youtube that (to me) gives no hint that you are a woman..... I think I'm golden. You, on the other hand, have made the much more serious mistake of allowing your self to be brain-washed to the extent that you (I say this out of concern, & not insult) are demonstrating that you lack the ability to understand that people who died prior to Christ's birth cannot confess Him as their personal Lord & Savior. -& Christ's very purpose was to save The Human Race because every Human Being is (according to Christianity) born into sin. ________________________________ -Which actually brings me to another flaw in Christianity: Christianity claims we are sinners by merely being *born into sin* . -So the act of one's birth, (of which one has *no* control over) makes one a sinner. But yet Christianity, *also* claims that one is a sinner as soon as they "decide to steal a cookie from the cookie jar". -Now which is it: Are we sinners by being born into sin... stemming from a generational curse going back to Adam & Eve.... ...Or are we sinners when we eventual give into the temptation of "stealing a cookie from the cookie jar" ? I mean, if sin is sin, why would one take priority over the other? Or why would it be one or the other?? If Christianity holds The Truth, why would it claim on one had sin happens by just us being born; -But then on the other hand claim that it depends on our actions *AFTER* we are born when we sin & therefore meet the standard of being a sinner? Because, really it can't be both ways. Because _if_ we are sinners because we are born into sin, then Christ's self sacrifice & resurrection corrected that; & then all that is needed is for one to confess with their mouth & believe in their heart....& the rest is history! (unless, of course, you died prior to Christ's birth & you cannot do that) & our acts from then on are obsolete because the source of sin is not in our actions, but rather in our being born into sin .....of which Christ rectified on our behalf at Calvary. ________________________________ But if we are, instead, sinners because of our certain actions, i.e. "taking a cookie from the cookie jar" then why would our original birth need to be rectified by Christ's sacrifice at Calvary ....which (again, as Christianity claims) also rquires us to be "born again" ?? -So you see, it actually _does_ matter if what qualifies us as sinners involves both ....& Christianity implies that both qualifies us as being sinners. So, this is another red flag with Christianity. ________________________________ Here is what I suspect may of been the cause of these "red flags": Prior to The Apostle Paul's Ministry, the tenants of the pre-cursor that had just barely gotten off the ground by the diciples of Christ (& developed into what eventually became "Christianity") was pretty much established. However, when Saul became Paul, he didn't jive very well with the others of The Faith. Because Paul really put his own "spin" on it...& that is what eventually became this other thing that is called Christianity. But because Christianity has some Judeo- roots....some things already established by some of the others from the Faith remained. & the result is essentially, a number of "you can't have it both ways" conundrums that plague Christianity. -I can't be too certain of this. BUT after quite a few years of careful examination of Christianity, this seems to be the case.

[@adamrspears1981]

@Beetchacha What do you mean "The full mystery of Christ was not revealed to the Prophets." ??? -Who do you think *PROPHESIED* of Christ's birth?.....The Wise Men?! 🤔........🤦 ________________________________ "Naturally known in us to worship 1 God." ?? -You mean that 1 God that is 3 entities?! & exactly _how_ or even why would anybody have a natural knowledge to worship only one God? ....Did God The Eternal Heavenly Father greet every Human Being face to face & say, "Hey I'm God...& btw....I am the only one." ?? According to The Bible, GOD spoke to Moses with a veil over his face; & GOD gave Moses The tablets which said, "Thou shall have no other gods before me." -But (for the ump-teenth time!) Christianity shows that not every one got what Moses & the Israelites got, because some were *GEOGRAPHICALLY ISOLATED & CHRIST SHOWED UP LATE TO THE PARTY* Good grief, lady!!! You really don't have the capability of getting this. I'm sorry, but I tried & appearantly I can't help you, so good night!

[@adamrspears1981]

@Beetchacha "...you do know that the apostles did not understand the mystery of Christ until AFTER he died..." -Um ok ...But in their defense, you _do_ know that the Apostles didn't even exist until *after* Christ died ....Which is actually what motivated them to be Apostles in the first place, right?... 🤔...........🤦 & as far as this "Mystery of Christ" that you keep referring to: Why would GOD send Christ, The Way, The Truth & The Life to rectify the flaw of The Human Race...... *as a mystery* ??? Can you think of any example where someone with pure intentions claims to present the Truth....but ends up shrouding it in mystery to where only some can benefit from it? If I, or anyone for that matter, were to gather you & others in a room & swear to you all that I have nothing but good intentions for you, & that my purpose is to empower you so that you benefit from the Truth that I possess ...but I make it a mystery, & have, behind the scenes, pre-determined that only a select few of you will actually understand so that you are empowered... ...Wouldn't you be a little bit suspicious of me? -I mean, at that point its not really as much about being skeptical, as it is just being wise for your own security! You know con-artists do exactly this. They make claims to get your attention. Then they persuade you that they are devoted & committed to your benefit, but "ya just just gotta trust 'em" & do exactly as they say... They claim they will "show" you how to dramatically (for example) "turn a dollar into a million dollars" -But guess what?! ....They just keep leading you around. They keep their "recipe for success" a mystery. They waste your time. & either 1 of 2 things happen: (1) You realize they are scamming you & you bail. or (2) You don't & they scam you. ________________________________ Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here by guessing that you might of heard about this "mystery of Christ" reference in Church... & if that is indeed the case... Maybe you should think about the above example I am giving you about how the con-artist operates. I think you're getting scammed in Church. Because a good GOD for The Human Race, with The Truth, wouldn't turn it into a "mystery" that THEY have pre-determined that only a select few can benefit from.....but somehow still Justly judge everyone & those that were not "meant to benefit from the mystery" burn in hell forever. -If you wanna believe that load of crap, then by all means its your right to be able to do so. But believe me when I say that I am def not the sharpest tool in the shed.... but lady, even I can see through that non-sense!

[@lovelight3478]

As Christians / Followers of Christ we are to be a Light to unbelievers not by Words alone, but by our Deeds .....if we as True Christians would really apply the Bible & God's Words (God's commandments ) to our everyday life, and Lead by Example a lot more people would believe .

[@TiltyfishPoker]

I'm convinced speakers such as Frank are now just telling Christians what they want to hear. It's impossible for him to not know why most atheists don't accept the christian or any god to be true. Claiming we don't believe because we just want to party and sin is ridiculous. That's like saying Christians don't want to stop believing because they'd have to start taking accountability for their wrong doings.

[@duncant6364]

This feels kinda Christian-centric I mean, we aren’t actively looking into this specific religion necessarily, my dude. There’s a lot out there and religion isn’t important enough to a lot of people, or they’re happy with where they are. Mostly, We’re just hanging around

[@j0nr3y]

🙌🏼💪🏼☝🏼👍🏼

[@richvail7551]

This is the problem with religion and those who profess science. They seem to think that there are only 2 camps of seekers. There’s more, and one of those options is that of a seeker of the actual truth. Not just what can science prove at this point or which religion is the correct religion. There are some who are interested in whatever the actual totally of the truth is and whatever that truth is that individual would be willing to invoke all their energy into understanding. It’s not either creation or evolution. A true seeker or scientist should be open to whatever is found.

[@royajunique]

God bless you.

[@zhontac6194]

Here's an idea: respect people's boundaries. I know that you probably don't get that but if someone says, 'hey I am not interested in this topic, the decent thing to do is to just stop. Not everyone wants to hear Christian mythology. Besides all of that you can't even agree with the right Jesus. I have no reason whatsoever to believe any of this nonsense

[@Machster10]

They questions should be "How can you best distance yourself and leave us alone.".

[@charlieparks2015]

Is this related to the translation debate

[@jimmyhayden5292]

VERY DISHONEST. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BELIEVING CHRISTIANITY IS TRUE AND BEING A CHRISTIAN .

[@daniapowell180]

Halleujah

[@paulhadlington8179]

Just because something is true it doesn't mean it it necessarily right or desirable. We know that Communism is true... does this make us want to become communists?

[@watchalotadunks]

what do you mean by "communism is true" what does that mean?

[@paulhadlington8179]

@@watchalotadunks Good question.. This statement simply means that the concept/ideology/doctrine of Communism is a reality. Put another way, we could say that it is true that communism exists.

[@watchalotadunks]

​@@paulhadlington8179 I hope I'm not misreading you but by that definition anything that exists is true right? I'm a bit confused by the communism analogy since christianity claims to be what is right and desirable, so from my perspective it can't be true unless it's right and desirable.

[@melaanieerasmus3891]

please could you comment on the simulation theory don't know if you have before

[@iowasenator]

I cannot speak for all atheists but, I can say with absolute certainty that if it were somehow demonstrated to me that Christianity were true, I would then become a Christian. I don't know how anyone could be otherwise. The fact remains that I haven't seen sufficient proof that Christianity (or any other faith) is true.

[@Volth]

If Christianity was right and that the God of the bible would exist, of course, I'd believe in it. But it doesn't mean I'd be a christian, I'm not gonna follow that God.

[@iowasenator]

@@Volth Its a good thing that this is merely an academic exercise then, right? hehe

[@maow9240]

@@Volth whats wrong with the Christian God?

[@Volth]

@@maow9240 Hmm... I don't know... How about we start with the flood? Killing thousands of innocent lives? Or maybe... Approving the ownership of slaves AND the beating of one (as long as the slave doesn't die, of course). You could add in all the suffering a lot of people live in while he's supposedly omniscient and all powerful and does nothing about it? God, if he exists is a horrible monster guilty of either genocides or inaction. Also, I am never going to follow an entity that is going to let me burn in hell just because I won't believe in it when it gave me absolutely no proof of its existence. This is not a loving relationship, this is an abusive one. You wouldn't start to compliment and accept the actions of a random guy abusing his girlfriend, would you?

[@maow9240]

@@Volth - Volth - - Volth - what do you mean by "innocent"? During the time of the flood everyones mind was continuously on evil . you really complaining about God smiting evil? Death isn't the end you know. According to the bible the rule of thumb for everyone ,slave and non slave, was if you beat them everything will be ok as long as the person doesnt die so slave and non slave are on equal footing here so there is no need to bring this point back up. According to Gods word slaves are suppose to he tooken care of, they eat, the get a day off, if they run away then you arent suppose to return them to their master but let them live with you until they find a place they will like to live that doesnt oppress them, you arent suppose to let other people talk crap about your slaves, and you are suppose to give slaves what is just amd equal without threatening them. If you take care of your slaves like the bible says to then whats the probelm? Why would it be wrong? People bring alot of suffering on themselves and others. What we do just doesnt affect us but it effects everything and everyone around us. It not Gods fault that anytime He fixes something humans mess it up. There are tons of people God has help who have once suffered you cant blame God for not helping those who dont wont help thus causing suffering for others and themselves. Sin is a strong curruption. What kind of proof or evidence are you lookong for? Science doesnt even deal in proofs? No one goes to hell for not believing its the actions they do because they dont believe is why they go to hell. Its not an abusive relationship at all. Its either you do right or you are doing wrong amd when you do wrong you get punished its as simple as that. For a lofe time of wrong you get a lifetime of punishment. If you are going to spend your whole life doing wrong then thay shows that no matter what you are just going to continue doing wrong forever becuase you've have your whole life to change but havemt so hell for eternity is fitting for the crime.

[@joshuaward6695]

Good point by Frank Turek but for anyone looking for answers I have the following to say. 1. Create a genuine connection with them first and the more time you spend talking to god from your heart/building that love relationship with Jesus the better, as His love will flow through you onto the people around you naturally. 2. Share with them the Gospel messege (Repent and put Jesus as lord and saviour) but dont put this off to long as you dont know how long they have left on this earth. 3. And just continue to pray for them and be there friend without looking to "win them over" a good way to look at it is to love them into the kingdom:). You can only do so much and you are just called to share the gospel messege and love people but it is the Holy spirit who will bring them into the kingdom so let him do his job and you do yours:). And if they have any questions for anything like the resurrection etc and you dont know all the answers, then try to find out where they can go to find answers. Remember changing someones heart/worldview dosent happen overnight and even if you give them all the answers for their mind, their heart will still be distant thats why stories of Gods love for them are powerful. What I mean is I recommend giving them 'the case for christ' by Lee strobel as it has evidence for the resurrection but it is all framed inside the authors story of transformation from athiesm to faith from the evidence and along the way the reader discovers Gods love for them. So its powerful because it engages the head and the heart!:). Sorry if this got unrelated and dragged on but I hope it helps someone:)

[@Uchizumaki1]

Here's the the thing if people don't want anything to do with your religion then none of that is going to change it. If you truly like and respect that person then just keep your religion to yourself

[@grahamhaspassedaway4580]

"If christianity were true would you become a christian?" Depends on what you mean. My goal in life is to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. My method of achieving that is via the most rational assessment I can make of the evidence I have. So for me, it's not so much a question of "is it true?" as it is about "can you demonstrate that it is true?" If christianity is true and you can't give me evidence for it then no, I wouldn't believe. But there's another issue. Notice that speaker conflates "believing christianity to be true" with "being a christian". He assumes, apparently without even realising he's doing it, that if you believe christianity to be true then you must necessarily become a worshipper of the god of christianity - indeed he speaks as if those two are the exact same thing. But they're really not. If you prove to me that christianity is true then I will believe that christianity is true - of course I would! But I have moral issues with the christian god which would prevent me from becoming a worshipper of him, even if he does exist. So whilst I would believe in christianity, I would not "become a christian". It's also worth noting that this is purely hypothetical - you *can't* prove that the christian god is true. Nobody can. You can't prove that god exists any more than I (or anybody) can prove that he doesn't. Whether you agree with all that or not, it is an answer to the question and I hope it demonstrates why that question doesn't shake my atheism in the slightest.

[@kaizze8777]

honest question from a christian. where do you get "your" moral values from?

[@grahamhaspassedaway4580]

@@kaizze8777 So-called 'social' species are ones in which evolution has driven the individuals to act in the best interest of collective groups. So for instance a bee doesn't act for itself, but for the best interest of the hive. This makes sense because it's through the welfare of the hive that the bee's genes are passed on. Humans are not as socialised as bees, but we are social animals who live in groups - families, tribes, villages, towns, cities, countries. As such, evolution has programmed us with instincts to care about one another. That's why we have things like empathy, a desire for fairness, a need for companionship, etc, especially for those we regard as being part of our "in group". Now that's the source of our desire to live and work together for the common good, but how that desire is expressed through rules of behaviour is something that we create, as individuals, as families, as societies. This is where our laws, both moral and legal, come from. They are the rules we've come up with to enable us to live and work together in groups, whilst satisfying our evolved sense of fairness, empathy, desire for love and companionship, and other social instincts. So in short - I get my morals from my upbringing, my society, my peers, and my own intellectual consideration of my actions in relation to others. All of this shaped by social instincts that humanity has evolved as a semi-social species. I hope that answers your question.

[@kaizze8777]

@@grahamhaspassedaway4580 thank you for that. In the Bible we are either leaning on our own understanding and works and righteousness. Or leaning on God. I used to believe the same things as you, I thought myself to be socially adept and thought all my views in perfect alignment with the world. Heck I even coached people on this very topic. That doesn't leave the fact I had a huge hole in my being. Something was missing and no amount of worldly knowledge could fill it. It wasn't until I heard the gospel, and things really did click and make sense. And that comes from God's moral values which is ultimately the ultimate value cos everything comes from him. If you ever feel like something is missing (don't reply on this comment. Seriously ask yourself in your private moments) ask God to reveal himself to you and he will. God bless friend I hope you live an amazing life and find God before your time comes :-)

[@grahamhaspassedaway4580]

@@kaizze8777 But I have asked god to reveal himself to me, and he didn't.

[@kaizze8777]

@@grahamhaspassedaway4580 gotta be careful, you don't do it from a heart just to "test" God, do it from a heart of truly wanting to know. You cannot spite God, or humour Him. Its very difficult to understand but my christian belief means that if you asked whole heartedly, he will. not literally, maybe some other way. Hes not a magic cosmological genie where you ask then you get immediately either. Time doesnt mean anything to God, 1 thousand years or 1 second. you may of asked yesturday, and in 30 years he may appear. Get my drift? God is Sovereign, that is objectively true, athiest or not. Let God bless you :-)

[@apersonontheinternet8354]

"If christianity was true would you become a christian?" No, and I'll explain why, because he definitely didn't give the answer I would. If christianity we're true, I would believe in the christian god, yes. But there's a difference between only believing in a god and actually adhering to that god and serving it. That is something I would definitely not do. And I have a multitude of reasons for that, mainly going back to the morality of the christian god as shown in scripture, which advocated for slavery, commanded genocide and actually performed a few himself, and so on. So it'd boil down to "I'd believe in that god but I would refuse to worship such a vile character." But another point of clarification. That's not why I don't believe. Just to make that clear.

[@Somebodyuprobsknow]

Man brother Frank Turek really knows how to answer! Bless the LORD for giving us true knowledge!!!

[@zeddicuszorrander3599]

Frank Turek uses these arguements a lot, but I haven't seen anyone in his videos call him out on it yet. Just because a god is proven to exist, in no way indicates I'm I ought to worship him, or that he is worthy of worship. If god doesnt care about my happiness, why would I want to choose god over my own happiness?

[@deathwing9664]

Why do you think God doesnt care about your happiness?

[@zeddicuszorrander3599]

@@deathwing9664 I wasn't referring to just me specifically. But if you take, for example, Leviticus 20:13, this entire group of people dont get happiness following God's rules. So, what motivation do they have to follow God?

[@Kaymen1980]

Mr. Turek, first, thank you for talking on the behalf of atheists everywhere and misrepresenting us.. Feels great as always.. Secondly, have the thought ever crossed your mind, that we do not find your god worthy of worship even if he was true, and that this could also be a reason why we do not want to be Christians? Should a god be worshipped simple because it exists?

[@ProMaxElite]

J Ovesen If the God of the Bible exists, then He is good and worthy of worship, because that’s what the Bible says, and the Bible would be true.

[@Kaymen1980]

ProMaxElite If the god of the Bible was true, I would still be me i my entirety, and I would still call that god a cruel, dishonest, genocidal maniac, which makes the gods claim; that it is a good god, an opinion and there would be no atheism. 🤷‍♂️

[@youngnixx88788]

@@Kaymen1980 If you discovered Christianity to be true, then your opinion of God is corrupt because you're a guilty sinner, void of any concept of perfect justice, judgment, and righteousness. Not to mention the entire perception of your thoughts on God is based on ignorance 🤷‍♂️

[@Kaymen1980]

J RAN 85 That might be true, but that will only and ever be your gods opinion 🤷‍♂️

[@youngnixx88788]

@@Kaymen1980 Not if you discovered Christianity to be true. God is the standard; perfection without iniquity of any kind. God's judgment on you would be based on truth, not opinion.

[@galaxia1190]

But is that what Jesus would do though

[@fruitygarlic3601]

I'm just scrolling through here to see if any of my Christian friends have commented, because some of them have been extra disrespectful and preachy lately. lmao

[@mtoddlaw]

This is one of the best Q&A videos I've seen

[@arcanesunku]

If Islam is true, would you be a Muslim?