What’s Better? Battle Of The R1s. Crossplane VS Flatplane. Real World Review.

Two very iconic bikes head to head.

[@alexbeltrao2535]

the flatplane sound is enough to make me buy a 15 year old bike insted a new one :D Amazing!!

[@Juicybignut00]

bought a 2005 yammy blue R1 no regrets! omfg i LOVE this thing!

[@ramsayward6582]

Thoroughly enjoyed this video. I've owned and rode many bikes in my time. I've had bikes that I've held onto for way longer than they deserved, and others that still make me want to kick myself for selling on. However, the one bike that I honestly can not part with is my 05 R1 5VY. I bought that bike brand new, and I've been close to trading it in for newer litre bikes, but once I hop back on it, it brings a smile to my face and the miles pass by with ease. Being on the wrong side of 50 now I have to admit that my eyesight and reactions aren't as sharp as they used to be, and my old BMW R75 bobber is more sedate on Scotland's country roads, nothing beats a good ole blast on a sports bike on a sunny day.

[@JT2JZ]

Glad you enjoyed the video! I hope I still have your passion for motorcycles when I get to that age. Me and the wife share the same passion togeather so it definitely helps in the long run!

[@johnr7022]

My personal opinion 2005 2006 Yzf-r1 was the best year period

[@ajdinsutkovic4279]

@@johnr7022and 2004?

[@Mrmarginofsafety]

Still doing track days at 69, don't slide into boredom

[@JT2JZ]

Keep the passion alive 🤘

[@brettfrimmer6567]

The blood curdling scream of the flat plane just does it for me. It sounds like how sport bikes are supposed to sound imo.

[@ufcker915]

I love how he explained all the reasons why I cannot stand them crossplaned engines..Excellent!!😆😁

[@JT2JZ]

It definitely has quirks but compensates with endless character. For some people the trade off is not worth it

[@worldtraveler8613]

The 07/08 r1 is the sexiest bike of all time to me... Im looking to buy one very soon, by the time someone reads this comment lol

[@wherearewe4x442]

Same just something to do with the front light

[@JT2JZ]

The angry wasp look is a classic for sure 👌 🐝

[@obriantomlinson2776]

What about the 06? And what year you think is the fastest? 6,7,8?

[@worldtraveler8613]

@@obriantomlinson2776 all the R1s look good. But i just like the 07/08 the best for looks. But i think they got faster every year. The 09 actually got slower because it was so heavy, but because of the crossplane crank the handling got better and that made it easier to ride, which in a way makes it faster

[@remocrosato2478]

I agree!

[@skywatch4639]

Old style flatplane engine still sounds better when started from cold, it's got that lovely burble.

[@JT2JZ]

I think the upgraded exhaust header makes the flatplane cold starts a lot more aggressive sounding than the average bike

[@desantos1234]

YESSS, thank you for the video mate, I remember asking a couple months back, im glad you did it :)

[@JT2JZ]

No worries! I’ve been meaning to for a while now but wanted to get some seat time on the new bike before I finished the video.

[@garvincollins8632]

Great video. Thank you for the clear descriptions of bith bikes. I want to get a new cross-plain before they stop making them. I love the way the new ones look. I also love the way R1's corner. I had a 99 and an 07. The 99 was a beast and the 07 was a screamer. Both were exhilarating in their own way.

[@JT2JZ]

It will be a sad day if they discontinue the R1 just like they did with the R6 already. If they have an all black final edition I would be tempted to buy one! I absolutely love the Crossplane R1. Probably the most fun bike I have owned.

[@Waltari71]

I have rebuild -08 flat and 178 fwhp, loving it. i have before 5 valve -06 but this -08 is awesome

[@remocrosato2478]

I have two R1, one 07 and one 08, both race prepared. Awesome bikes and fantastic engine!

[@alphastarcar]

Awesome comparison. I just bought an 09 R1 and I love it. Big difference between my R1 and GSXR 600.

[@JT2JZ]

Right. I love the excitement behind trying a new unique bike like the crossplane. Nothing but smiles over here!

[@joshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Yeah, the 600s are nothing in comparison to the gsxr 750s and 1000s. I've had all 3 and the 600s just aren't that great, but the 750 is damn near as good as the 1000. Never had an r6 or r1 but all gsxr and one cbr600rr. It was ok as well but nothing like the 750s or 1000s. I'll never buy another 600. Even if I was to get a naked bike, which I probably will because of back problems and much more comfortable riding position, I still wouldn't go lower than an mt-09 or mt10 or s1000k. Just have to have that lower end torque now. 600s just don't cut it.

[@joshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

On a dirtbike a 250 race bike has plenty of torque though, so 250 and up is ok.

[@JT2JZ]

I agree. The gsxr750 is an impressive unit for the size. I’m with ya. The more low end torque a bike makes the better street characteristics it has. You don’t have to rev it out constantly to use it’s power. If a light turns yellow you don’t have to down shift to get through it, just grab some throttle and it really doesn’t matter what gear your in.

[@justingreene3667]

you are a lot better of a reviewer than a lot of others.

[@JT2JZ]

Thanks for the kind words. I try to touch on things that other people don’t mention

[@justingreene3667]

@@JT2JZ great job. will be coming back for more videos!

[@JT2JZ]

Appreciate the support. I do have a lot more video ideas. Just need to find the time to make them.

[@maximilliancunningham6091]

I had the 98, migrated to 05. The 98 had more grunt, down low, longer stroke. 05 is noticeably lighter, and with improved aerodynamics, that you notice at highway speeds. The 05 also pulls harder up top, in 6th, than the 98 did, in 5th. I give Yamaha credit also for the seating position and posture, which I enjoy, being very close to identical. Ascetically 98 & 99 are beutiful, and so is 04/05/06. 07 & 08 looks like a characture on 04.

[@JT2JZ]

The 98 was likely carbureted? Hard to beat the down low torque of a properly tuned carburetor. Fuel injection shines in the higher rpm on the newer bikes. Smooth throttle input but doesn’t have the same “punch” so to speak.

[@maximilliancunningham6091]

@@JT2JZ 98 is, carbs.

[@Andreas.619]

This was the perfect video dude. Great information and everything is relevant. A lot of big reviewers talk about shit we never use. I'm going with the flatplane.

[@JT2JZ]

Thanks you. The flat plane truly is a great machine. I’m sure you will enjoy it.

[@MrDinokoumi]

Great video ✌

[@JT2JZ]

Thanks boss. I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@DailyDrivenBikes_1]

I like bikes that are more raw. You feel more connected to what the bike is doing.

[@johnr7022]

Absolutely 👍

[@JT2JZ]

After trying my new 2012 aprilia I do agree. The electronics are a bit overwhelming

[@joshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

This is why the 2005-07 gsxr 1000 will forever be my favorite bike, no rider aids, no abs, no traction control, ride by wire, only A,B, and C mode. and only use A mode all the time, unless I get caught in rain and then switch to B just for a smoother, safer throttle response, but with a power commander installed the throttle is going to do exactly what you tell it to anyways, so if you wreck on A mode you know you messed up, not some rider aid that made the bike do something dumb.

[@JT2JZ]

I’m pretty old school and agree. I do really enjoy older bikes with a simple more raw riding experience. There are a couple specific rider assist features that I do enjoy though like a quick shifter. I enjoy quick shifters so much I’ve thought about adding it to my 2012 r1.

[@1881hardcore]

The factory seat comes with a allen key for the main seat built in. Found that out the other day (09-14)

[@JT2JZ]

Where is the built in location? Because the tool kit is under the main seat and you need the Allen key to take the seat off to get to your tool kit! Maybe my bike is just missing the Allen key

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

@@JT2JZ passenger seat underside has a slot for the allen wrench(not key), take it off with the key and there it is. No need to go near the toolkit

[@scottyj1070]

I'm buying the 2009 R1 tomorrow, hopefully I get along with it, excited 😁

[@JT2JZ]

I’m excited for you! They are an absolute blast to ride 🤘

[@scottyj1070]

@@JT2JZ bit worried about it not having any bottom end for the slow riding now though lol

[@scottyj1070]

Was between 2007 and 2009 so picked 2009

[@JT2JZ]

Even with the quirks of the Crossplane engine I still enjoy it more than all of my previous bikes. It’s still a power house don’t worry!

[@scottyj1070]

@@JT2JZ nice! Thanks for replying, great video man 😎

[@Caz1studios]

That 2012 is hard to find, Rare Raven ugh so good

[@JT2JZ]

It took me a few years to find it but I’m glad I did! Definitely my favourite bike to date.

[@k-dub2856]

That was a really nice video. I had a 2013 Aprilia rsv4 but now I'm on a 2019 Yamaha r1 and I'm loving it. I think I'll be hanging onto it especially with them discontinuing it in 2025.

[@JT2JZ]

@k-dub2856 I want to transition into a new R1 as well. Is the new R1 all around a better bike than your original aprilia?

[@k-dub2856]

@@JT2JZ As far as reliability goes yes. The Aprilia definitely needed more attention regularly. I do miss the low to mid range on the Rsv4 though. The sound of that v4 was just a step above the r1 but it still sounds good.

[@Knight___rider]

Where are you from? P.S amazing comparison

[@SepuluhSeptember]

So detail, thank you bro! Looking to buy R6 or R1 2012.. and i thing i will go to R6. I think R1 2012 is too beast for me... I love low RPM

[@JT2JZ]

They are both amazing bikes at the end of the day. You really can’t go wrong with either of them.

[@davidtobey8062]

Hey thank you for your video I enjoyed it very much, I had an R1 when they first came out a 98 definitely a big big big levels of improvement throughout the product age of this particular motorcycle, anyway you probably seen this video that I’m attaching to at the end of this message but I think the main reason that Yamaha decided to do this is because they had already invested the R&D in MotoGP in the early 2000 and then in Yamaha to add the cross plan to the R one starting in 209 that that super sport and the all alligation sport racing that they could add the Crossplain crankshaft to their bikes and then Pete a lot of people would buy them in Road race them and then they would have the benefits of having a Crossplain crankshaft better cornering exits you were accidents and then of course then it would make sense that they would add traction control do that too because the Crossplain since it has most mostly to do with rear traction exiting corners thing with the traction control it just works hand-in-hand, I restart one of the newer R6 the carbureted models in a 99 to 2001 and it was quite a fun experience just like a razor that are six and a guy out in Bremerton Washington built my motor until they came out with a new 750 Suzuki‘s I would I could yard the 750s on the straightaway and cut them up on the corner so a lot of fun anyway I’ll add this video this guys got a lot of other great videos about it but this is a good video that he puts out and explains the Crossplain quite a bit in depth anyway I enjoyed your video and keep them coming thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/q36QqpZ-iJ6orNk

[@andreash7586]

Great Video!! thanks

[@JT2JZ]

I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@vasilisgreen]

the bottom end being poor is not caused by the firing order. Firing order affects responsiveness and power delivery, not power/rpm. That's the top end setup, the way it's cammed and timed along with its exhaust design and intake valve size. It really has nothing to do with the firing order. Your power band is affected by those factors, assuming you compare engines with the same cylinder dimensions.

[@SrtAng]

A video comparing the 2015+ r1 would be dope also

[@JT2JZ]

I would love to get my hands on a new generation R1 but they are pretty rare in my area. Hopefully one day!

[@user-nt8ek3pm4u]

great video!!! but you forgot to say about 14b clutch))) sometimes can start sounds like an old shape ducati bike clutch))) but its something normal for that bikes)) my 09 after a lot of drag racing now is like with dry ducati clutch))) that damn springs what are inside in the clutch are start loose a bit))

[@JT2JZ]

That’s something I didn’t know. Thanks for the info 👍

[@tkx86]

2007-2008 were my absolute faves... I have my eye on a 2008 atm. They will be collectors bikes. The older bikes look better and sound better. I am for more mechanical and less electrical features, as cool as it is.. On a side note, thank you very much for the video comparison, it was so well presented. It only reinforced my position on getting a 2007-2008 R1.

[@JT2JZ]

07-08 are legendary bikes for sure! You will be extremely happy with it.

[@swagger897]

Biggest thing I notice with my 09 that is quirky is the modes. A mode is the only mode I can smoothly rev-match with, since STD and B mode are delayed, it throws off the shift time relative to the blips. I'm not scared of A mode itself but I do think it's quite comical that only a minute amount of throttle can get you to 100 (mph) so fast.

[@JT2JZ]

I agree the power modes are a little quirky. I find power mod A is so touchy the first 1/8th throttle making it more difficult at parking lot speeds for no reason. Then the other two modes are very laggy and under powered for sure. When I want to wheelie I find power mode a is so touchy it’s hard to not be twitchy. The other power modes don’t have as much punch to bring the front end up as quick as I like in the lower rpms.

[@swagger897]

@@JT2JZ Yeah slow speed and from stop-to-rolling movement is definitely a bit weird on this bike. I notice mine seems to have a peculiar sound I haven't heard before coming from the clutch that sounds like metal slapping almost, and you can feel it shudder through the whole chassis and into the bar ends. I have no clue how to wheelie though lol, I can only manage power wheelies when I bring the front up when going over a subtle crest while in first. I still don't think I've gone to 100% throttle yet while in 1st as well. I've debated doing the R6 throttle tube mod and then riding around on standard/B mode a bit to test it out, as I don't like how much wrist movement is required to go from 0-100%. Just worried about slow speed maneuvering at that point.

[@JT2JZ]

My bike shudders pretty good if you don’t give it enough rpm from a complete stop letting the clutch out as well. The crossplane almost wants to stall in the low rpm when loaded unlike other flatplane bikes that are pretty smooth down low. I’m no master at wheelies either but I do like to play around a bit here and there. Still getting the feel for the bike as I’ve only had it for a season. These throttles do have a long range of motion I don’t blame you for wanting to try that mod on your r6. I don’t know anyone with it so not sure how much they would improve the riders input / feel. Definitely let me know if you pull the trigger on it!

[@user-by5ud2hf1p]

Mine is stuck on A mode I can’t change it to B mode. How can I fix that?

[@JT2JZ]

Possibly just a faulty switch but it would take more diagnoses to know for sure.

[@myronburrows8804]

🏍🔥🔥💙🔥🔥 I love the blue badass flames mate. I'm guessing with the older R1 the flames are orange 🏍🔥🔥🧡🔥🔥

[@myronburrows8804]

29:32

[@JT2JZ]

The old R1 never backfired or made any flames at all. It ran very clean so to speak.

[@generaldistrust]

28:47 (startups & sound demonstration)

[@JT2JZ]

Thank you

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

I like the 06 r1 lower grunt is absolutely necessary

[@Tampa_tom]

I just got a 06 and i love it too

[@Alic_R1]

Stoked to watch! Will you do a riding style video with both bikes to compare too?

[@JT2JZ]

My old 2006 R1 sold at the beginning of the season already but I have been playing around with some different GoPro mounts to try on the new crossplane. Unfortunately we have a ton of snow here already. Will have to wait until next season May or June to get more footage.

[@westondifranco9313]

I have the dad R1, an 03 FZ1, built off the 98-01 R1 motor. Flatplane> crossplane for me. I love the sound more, and cresting 8,000 rpm makes me feel amazing.

[@JT2JZ]

I’ve rode the fz1 before. They are great bikes. Very affordable as well which is always a bonus.

[@westondifranco9313]

@JT2JZ Also serve a different purpose. Road focused, and great sport tourers. It's a shame there isn't an MT10 tracer, that bike would sell like hotcakes.

[@JT2JZ]

Agreed. We have made lots of road trips with our friends fz1. No complaints at all.

[@NudaMan]

i see these as collectibles lol, will have to get one of each for sure!

[@JT2JZ]

They are getting harder and harder to find that’s for sure!

[@otisdriftwood8469]

I do to, can't sell them lol.

[@jakeR1954rr]

Looking at my next bike being an r1. I have a cbr 954rr currently. My backup bike is a little vstar 650. Looking to replace the vstar. I got to say, I think the 06 r1 looks way better from the side view. I like the side fairing and swingarm much better on the 06. Love the modern cockpit and top yoke on the newer one though. My 954rr has the exhaust servo valve deleted with a full system but its got no tune to compensate as the power commander shit the bed. Down low is crappy but once you get moving it takes off beautifully. I had a Triumph Sprint St 1050 2009 and that thing with some mods took off from a stop wonderfully. It just pulled clean and balanced feeling from a stop. I really do miss that. I like to take off at the light... I hate having that short stumble before I get flying on my 954rr. Not sure if it just needs a tune or if its just largely the nature of the bike... I have dumped too much money into it and want something new with my money. I think I will be getting a flat plane older model and making her fresh and pretty.

[@JT2JZ]

I think you will enjoy the flatplane r1 with your riding style. I do miss my 2006 some days. It was a very well rounded and reliable unit.

[@stestar09]

​@JT2JZ i too love the top yoke on your crossplane & the front lights look great on it too , as said above , the side view of the engine on the 06 model looks better , I've got the 08 model & it looks the same as your 06 model but my brakes look like the crossplane type ones , dod they change them or has a previous owner done so ? Are they interchangeable between both your models there ?

[@jakeR1954rr]

Funny to get a notification on this and see my old comment. I got an 05 r1. It was butt ugly, had messed up forks, put all new plastics and carbon on it. Ended up hitting a deer on the highway, just barely clipped him on the left side. Rebuilt it again. All in the span of the last few months lol. I will say, I think my 954rr is definitely the better bike all-around, for me. But for taking a bike out on the weekends and having fun, the r1 definitely wins. It's a bit faster and feels very stable. The 954 handles and flicks way easier though and is way more comfortable for in the city. Tried raising the bars on the r1 to match the 954 (bout an inch difference) and didn't like it's effect on handling. The seat height really needs to stay high in proportion to easily shift around it's weight. The r1 does seem to have more low end torque, and it keeps pulling when the 954 would begin to peter out. I still would pick the 954 if I had to have one and one only, but now that I have both, I can't imagine having only one lol. Great bike, love my r1

[@brdllc]

@@jakeR1954rrover time have you gotten more used to the r1 handling wise? I’m torn between an 08 r1 and a 954rr.

[@Slimdawg2011]

Comparison was soo good I had to watch it twich. Currently riding a Zx6r but considering crossing over to yamaha. Just not sure if I should go for crossplane or an 08. This vide helped a lot.

[@JT2JZ]

Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad I could help. In simple terms the 08 will likely be more reliable. The Crossplane has been my favourite bike to ride though ( worth the hassle in maintaining if you can afford it )

[@CJRSBK]

Get a zx10r there just more exciting and faster

[@JT2JZ]

I am tempted to try one. Used zx10 seem to be a lot cheaper than Yamahas.

[@CJRSBK]

@JT2JZ not really cheaper ....the big bangs hold good money but in terms of speed zx10r always been faster than R1's but I would say cosmetically yamaha are built better

[@CJRSBK]

@JT2JZ mind you I'm in uk so prices might be different in USA

[@Aiden-me2zs]

My dad has a 07 R1, it’s no cross plane sound buts it’s still cool

[@JT2JZ]

2007 is still a very good year for the R1

[@highwayman1218]

Always have had a few bikes and currently 5 in the garage. My last R1 was an 04 and sold it in 12. Ive been kicking around adding another R1 and hitting trackdays again. LOL, Im not paying 23k for a 22 here in So Cal. Looking at another 04 thru 06 or CP R1. Id prefer a 15 or newer with the last major refresh. So what is your opinion on what you'd go with nowadays? Yep, still remember that 04 being a top end bike. I remember getting smoked everytime on roll ons by my buddy with a 04 ZX10 at the time.

[@JT2JZ]

Honestly my 2006 R1 was my best most problem free bike. Just hop on and ride, no worries of break downs or future repairs. My 2012 R1 has been my favourite bike to ride but the most problematic. So pick your poison. If you are handy with a wrench I do love my Crossplane..

[@highwayman1218]

@@JT2JZ I do my own wrenching and the CP is most likely the route I'll go this time. 👍

[@callumsimpson858]

I might be wrong but on the crossplane r1 is the front tyre on backwards as it looks like it would dispense the water under the tyre instead of throwing it out words just wondering bud

[@JT2JZ]

It does look that way from a distance but it is installed the correct way. I double checked after your comment! Lol

[@paulboyle8522]

What about starting? Any significant differences, especially in the cold

[@JT2JZ]

Flatplane always starts perfect any temperature even with a small battery. Crossplane is almost always hard starting in any temperature. A good oversized lithium battery is a must!

[@kbetancur]

I currently have a 2012 r6 not much tech on the bike which i really enjoy and it has been very reliable. I just am looking for more information before I buy an r1, which year r1 would you recommend on getting that is very reliable from 2004-present?

[@JT2JZ]

The r6 is probably the most reliable bike around in my opinion. As far as the r1 goes. 2004-2008 would be more reliable. I owned a 2006 R1 for many years with high kms and zero issues. My 2012 R1 has been my absolute favourite bike to ride but it has needed the most repair work.

[@lorenzomack6517]

Racing at BeaverLodge?

[@sparkthego]

Great video, but on the fuel gauge, actually a fuel gauge is less advanced tech with the floating lever, compared to non fuel gauge temperature sensor system.

[@adamsimmons59]

Thank you.

[@Chrisnuzzo76]

Power mode A is 30% more throttle. STD is standard or average. B mode is minus 30%, AKA Rain Mode. It's most practical to ride daily in traffic in STD mode. If you are making a U Turn in A mode you can accidentally give it to much gas and turn too quickly, which happened to me and I went 1 lane too wide. Mine defaults to A Mode, not STD mode. I have to remember to switch it to STD.

[@JT2JZ]

A mode is definitely sensitive with tip in throttle. I wish mine defaulted to A mode and not standard though. Your bike must be tuned then I assume?

[@johnreynolds1527]

I'll Take that 06 All day Over a Crossplane.. Both Gorgeous Bikes Bro

[@alitayyaryarar7556]

Do you think if I try to swap old model with newer crosplane facelift body to look newer, is it gonna work? They have the same frame and body right?

[@JT2JZ]

Yes I have seen it done before. The 2012-2014 R1 headlights do fit on the older 2009-2011. It’s a very nice upgrade 👌

[@flukemasterbrake2143]

How can i connect my 2010 r1 to read the ecu wheres the port i couldnt find it

[@ProfessionalTrenchDigger]

Are u in canada?

[@haiderali-wn1sn]

I've go the 2010 big bang in blue white, it is lumpy at low revs and smoothens out at higher revs, but at the top revs its not as fast as other litre bikes. s100rr '23 model, has power in all gears and pulls your hands, the R1 pulls your whole body as the torque pulses are less. but I had more excitement on the R1 the s1krr felt boring to me, I didn't upgrade, waiting to try a new R1 the garage told me its not like my 2010 R1, My bike feels like riding a twin in sport bike format. But if you put it in A mode it does have bottom end so I don't agree with him fully, although on sprints against twins and street bikes yes you will lose unless your racing to a 100, once you get a to 60 you can reign them all in with the big bang. I tried changing to a bigger cogs for wheelies and she becomes f'ing dangerous as mine doesn't have abs or traction control , u got to use the clutch to control at low revs by feel, so on the track I have to use 'b' mode or standard and as it gives you a thumpy acceleration its hard to place on the track. Newer bikes are lighter and you can throw them more than the R1 unless you are a bigger guy. So screamer engines better on track and pull linearly the r1 14b is thumpy and gives u a shunt. This makes it it way more fun to ride and exciting. Also you can set which power mode it starts up in, its in the manual, JT2JZ doesn't know I changed mine to default to A mode. The rear seat/racing cover does have a slot for a small allen key, turn the seat upside down and u will see it.

[@jamesz9377]

Its easy bro..send ur ecu to mr chris moore,Moore Mafia,it removes all restrictions and smoothens it out..not to mention it adds around 20hp to the tire😉

[@JT2JZ]

That’s a huge gain! I’ll have to check him out. Thanks

[@strongarmmuzik]

There’s no bike that sounds like a crossplane crank.. unbelievable sound! I owned a 2010 for 10 years.. awesome experience. This first generation crossplanes sweet spot is between 7 and 12k rpms is was designed to go through the corners faster then the flatplanes bikes in moto gp.. mid range corner speed won Valentino Rossi championships on this version r1. The other bikes manufactures started putting massive amounts of hp to beat the r1

[@JT2JZ]

The midrange torque is definitely my favourite part!

[@Chaitanyaworld2692]

2007 r1 was and is best 👍💯

[@JT2JZ]

I like your style 👌

[@Chaitanyaworld2692]

@@JT2JZ 🙂🙂

[@antonispetrou4472]

Extra info Cross vs Flat 20V (wikipedia official). 8ltr/100km vs 5.65/100km. 191hp vs 172hp. 177kg vs 172kg. BOTH 18ltr tank!! 310mm front brakes 6p vs 320mm 4p. (NO f......g fuel gauge... 50cc from 90s have one!!!) Sound is like an american V8 vs an italian V8 like Dodge vs Ferrari, Chevy vs Lambo, Jeep SRT vs Pagani. Corvette went flat for the latest mid engine model. Ford GT40 as well. F1 has flat engines. It's down to the crank and firing order. Personally I love both sounds but not from straight pipes!!

[@ashrafabdusaabor204]

Thanks for this Great video man , iam about to buy r1 06 , but iam afraid of the flying wheel defect in this model , did you face this problem ?

[@JT2JZ]

I’m not familiar with that defect but i wouldn’t be to worried about it. My 2006 R1 was the most reliable bike I have ever owned.

[@ashrafabdusaabor204]

@@JT2JZ okay thanks man

[@JT2JZ]

No worries. Good luck with the purchase! I’m sure you will be more than happy with it.

[@Tampa_tom]

What’s a flying wheel? Did you buy it? I just got a 06 r1

[@otisdriftwood8469]

I have a 05 R1, love it of course. I haven't been on the newer R1s yet. But I do prefer that lower end power. I would like to ride one and see the difference.

[@JT2JZ]

I love both generations. Both have different characteristics that they offer. If you ever get the chance to ride one definitely do it! It’s something you just have to try yourself to see if you enjoy it or not. Very unique riding experience compared to any other sport bikes.

[@johanolsson8690]

Awesome bikes 😎, how about fitment? Any size difference? What model is the best for tall riders (195cm)?

[@JT2JZ]

The only size difference you notice on these bikes is the extra width of the Crossplane. The engine and fuel tank are both wider. You also feel the extra weight of the Crossplane bike. They are both very similar in height. You being very tall will have zero issues on either bike. I’m only 155cm and still fit both of these bikes very comfortably.

[@paulpanzer7776]

I had a rn12 R1 and im 187cm so older ones are way better for tall riders. Newer R1 models are to small for me. BMW s1000rr is also good for taller guys. Try one youll see

[@JT2JZ]

I would love to try a bmw s1000rr one day. Very rare bikes where I live but I plan on having one eventually

[@paulpanzer7776]

@@JT2JZ dont buy any of them if you r a new rider...this are killer machines if you dont know how to handle them. R1 with 172hp is brutaly fast and bmw is a monster. trust me im 50 y.o had 8 crashes with such bikes. so be carefull ;) good luck

[@JT2JZ]

They definitely need to be respected. That’s what I love about them though. My very first bike was a 2004 CBR 1000RR when I was 18. Have been riding 1000cc or bigger bikes ever since I fell in love with that machine and the raw power these bikes can offer.

[@darkknight17]

I've got the crossplane 2010 R1and had the 2008 screamer. I prefer the size and looks of the 2010, but the 2008 engine was super linear and easier to ride fast. It felt effortless to ride in traffic, in very low down RPM in residential areas and carparks and safer to ride wet frosty winter weather too. The 2010 R1 sounds good, handles better but I do miss the screaming butter smooth engine of my old 2008 R1. You could hear me from 1/4 mile away.

[@JT2JZ]

I do agree. The flat plane engine just runs so smooth at any rpm you never have to think about what gear you’re in. Makes life very simple. Mechanically they are easier to work on and more reliable in my opinion as well. But damn nothing puts a smile on my face like the Crossplane at the end of the day!

[@darkknight17]

@@JT2JZ This was a really good video you did, and I have not seen many on the entirety of KZbin comparing the flatplane vs crossplane. I actually watched your video 3 times it was that enjoyable! I bought a brand new left over 2010 R1 in 2018, with only 3 miles on the clock from a Yamaha dealer. I have since done almost 11k on it. My previous 2008 R1 I had from new and racked up 60k miles on it. I did have one major issue - and that was the magnets on the stator melted. Apparently a known fault to Yamaha. I had to spend £3k on a full engine rebuild as the magnets had ended up inside the engine. As an owner of the 2010 R1 I would say: Pros: 1. Better ergonomics. 2. Better handling, despite being a heavier bike on paper it feels incredibly light and agile. 3. Smaller dimensions, better styling. 4. Addictive exhaust note Cons: 1. Cam chain tensioner rattle on start up 2. Heavy compression requires a powerful battery - for me a Lithium battery solved my intermittent start up battery drain issues. 3. Clutch is grabby and inconsistent. Can be fixed with the Graves Motorsports Clutch kit. 4. Engine is lumpy when riding slow. The bike HATES to be ridden slow - especially residential streets and car parks and requires a lot of clutch slip. 5. Questionable rear tyre grip in wet and cold conditions - I cannot feel the limit of the grip especially in cold wet or frosty weather as I could the 2008 R1. 6. Addictive sound makes you THINK the bike is better and ignore the short comings. 7. Aggressive seat angle, pushes you too forward against the tank. Usual upgrades: 1. Alarm and immobilizer 2. Full Akrapovic system 3. Air Filter 4. Lithium battery 5. Suspension set up to my weight 6. Michelin Power 5's 7. Renthal Grips 8. Renthal Bars 9. Bar End Mirrors by RhinoMoto 10. Stomp Grip Tank Grips 11. Vinyl High Grip Seat I'd add the engine braking is weird. On the 2008 R1 I found myself using the engine braking into corners. On the 2010 R1 I find the engine braking feels more like the bike is coasting into corners rather than slowing down.

[@JT2JZ]

I’m very happy you enjoyed the video and got some value out of it! Makes the effort on my end all worth it.

[@Ivanovich518]

What size back tire on your r1? Regular 190/55/17?

[@JT2JZ]

Yes factory size

[@ashiksabu05]

Does that crossplane have abs?

[@JT2JZ]

No

[@jacobhendrickson8935]

They went back to the old style calipers in 2015 for a reason. They are better, plus they are lighter.

[@stasKZ]

can you recommend a starter for my 2005 R1? thanks!

[@JT2JZ]

OEM starters are good on those years of bikes. A lot of cheaper options on Amazon if you don’t want to spend big bucks on a factory unit. I’ve had good luck with my cheap amazon starter, a year later and still going strong.

[@moucheali3911]

I think you made a tuff decision I kept my 2004 R1 and jus like you I never had to do any serious maintenance But it only has 25000 km so it's like new

[@worldtraveler8613]

Something many people don't know, the main purpose of the crossplane was to increase traction at the rear wheel, by smoothing the power pulse at high rpm. So a flat plane crank does not fire evenly across the cylinders. In a 360 degree rotation, it's like hitting combustion on 90 degrees and then not again til 270, two cylinders at a time... Something like that. This causes loss of some rear wheel grip. The cross plane was designed to fire a cylinder every 90 degrees, evening the power pulse to the rear wheel. Weaker pulses (1 cylinder at a time) cause the loss of some bottom end, but smoother power delivery causes the increase of rear wheel grip. The crossplane came out in 09, and ben spies won wsbk on it that same year. It continued to dominate wsbk and ama for the next several years, until ducati and aprilia stepped their games up. But even now the crossplane still dominates motoamerica. Not being the fastest bike in a straight line. Confidence coming out of a corner, to get on the gas early while still leaned over.... Thats what the crossplane was really made for. Yamaha must have patented it cause every inline 4 should be using it.

[@OmGiTsMeTaStY]

You have the 2 mixed up. Crossplane allows for a break between power pulses to the tire to give it a chance at regaining traction. The flat plane fires evenly

[@MHLivestreams]

@@OmGiTsMeTaStY crossplane means 4 lower powered pulses instead of 2 more powerful ones, that's what the point was and is.

[@OmGiTsMeTaStY]

@MHLivestreams what????? A flatplane I4 fires a cylinder every 180° of the crank. Very even, very smooth. NOT firing 2 cylinders at a time. (what? XD) The crossplane fires at 180° 90° 180° then lastly 270° to start the cycle over again. The key is that 270°. The long pause of no power gives the rear tire a chance to regain traction many times a second especially at high rpms and high lean angles. Wtf are you talking about "4 lower powered pulses instead of 2 more powerful ones?" Within 720° of rotation, each of these bikes fires all 4 cylinders once, and one at a time. Flatplanes are very even and balanced, crossplanes are uneven, irregular, and require an extra balancing shaft to balance the engine, but can result it better grip at the limits of traction. Both of you are SEVERELY wrong on the engines/crankshafts of the bikes within this video. Google is free. KZbin is free.

[@gw4717]

You want to experience something crazy fast best bike in the hole dam world 🌎 to ride a 2020 zx10r blow your mind I've had every r1 every bike and nothing compares to riding my 2020 zx10r freaking amazing 👏

[@JT2JZ]

They are awesome value for the price as well. Hopefully one day I can try one

[@MikeSmith-qs2nr]

Rode both only my opinion cross plane gets my vote

[@jedslather]

07-08 are the best model in my opinion, and with a bit of tweaking it's like F1 engine ripping through the gears.

[@JT2JZ]

The 07-08 R1 was probably the best rounded and reliable bike for Yamaha. Very solid units that’s for sure.

[@stestar09]

Mines an 08 model , has your 07/08 got 6 pot front brakes like the crossplane? I'm trying to work out if they've been swapped by previous owner on my 08 version

[@JT2JZ]

I think that is a stock caliper on the 07/08 as well

[@remocrosato2478]

I have two: one 07 and one 08 R1, both race prepared: crazy bikes! Maybe one of the best bike of all time!

[@travelshaft52]

06 rules!!!🏁🏁🏁

[@prajwalmahesh576]

Which is more powerful inline or crossplane

[@JT2JZ]

Crossplane makes more power but the bike is heavier so it’s not actually that much faster.

[@leonarddenicker5852]

Any chance you are selling the 06

[@JT2JZ]

I was yes but it already sold

[@hunterhansen87]

I’m looking between a 2008 and a 2010 R1, and wondering which one would be better and if the 2010 is worth $1000 more?

[@JT2JZ]

In a perfect world it would be nice to try both bikes and see what one you like more because they are very different! If you are looking for a good all around bike that is reliable , smooth linear power, light weight, raw riding experience and gets decent fuel mileage I would go with the old body style flatplane engine. The new crossplane bike is a more top end power race oriented bike. It has a lot more tech ( traction control and 3 power modes ). It’s more unique but may come with more reliability quirks. If you can put up with a few of the Crossplane characteristics I do think it’s worth the extra money. I’ve never had a bike that delivered such a memorable riding experience before.

[@callumsimpson858]

Go for an o8 r1 I have one and you won't regret it

[@stestar09]

The 08 has the 6 pot calipers too , well mine does & i bought it second hand with them fitted

[@stestar09]

The 08 has throttle bodies with fly by , cables down to bodies then actuator controlled from there

[@JT2JZ]

I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing

[@jacobhendrickson8935]

I’ve always thought the 04-06 and 07-08 has a better top end rush.

[@Vtwin_Superbikes]

If you are waiting for a gap to pass someone then drop a gear and pick the revs up 🤯

[@tttmaker]

Did you know when the low fuel light comes on a F-trip meter comes on and that's the fuel trip count to 35miles till u out of fuel

[@JT2JZ]

I’ve never pushed my luck that far but that is a decent size reserve

[@stestar09]

Used mine yesterday for its first decent run out & its actually good on fuel coming from a B1H 636 that was 200miles a tank good 👍

[@Tampa_tom]

I have done 30 miles with the light on before

[@bazuquinharev6130]

you still have the 2012 one? you regret selling the 06?

[@JT2JZ]

Sold the 06 and don’t regret it. I also just sold the 2012 R1 and I do regret it. Was hands down my favourite bike to own and ride even with the issues it had. I replaced it with a 2012 aprilia RSV4. It’s a cool bike but will never replace the Crossplane!

[@mrpabs5864]

Watching your video I noticed that my bike doesn't have the tachometer backlight, is there a button to turn them on or is mine broken?

[@JT2JZ]

They should be on all the time.

[@Scythe_Voltage]

I found a 2006 yellow special edition 5,400 miles for 5,800$, I was about to buy it and watched video of drag race 2014 vs 2006 and have never seen a 1000 get smoked so bad, wasn’t even a race

[@JT2JZ]

They are both good bikes at the end of the day. The Crossplane is an absolute riot to ride though! Definitely my favourite bike to date

[@LiviuXSA]

all in all you make it sound like the crossplane sucks when compared to the older one. everyone seems to say the 06-09 were the best.... i kinda get the feeling you're saying the same thing too

[@JT2JZ]

I do miss my 2006 R1 some days. Reliability wise I would definitely say the older bikes are better but even though I have had multiple issues with my new crossplane it would be hard to go back in my opinion. Once you try a Crossplane they are a pretty unique addictive ride.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

the 6 piston of the 09+ are WAY better brakes overall tbh. with the same pads the new calipers do soo much better

[@JT2JZ]

The new calipers probably do perform better. It’s probably the weight of the Crossplane bike that makes me feel like it’s harder to stop. My 2006 just felt all around lighter and more nimble even when braking.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

@@JT2JZ upgrade the pads, itll help a ton. The stock pads are trash tbh

[@Mrmarginofsafety]

For a road bike give me mid range any day, it's why the latest Honda SP brought back the mid range.

[@JT2JZ]

I agree. That’s why I choose 1000cc bikes over 600cc every time

[@Mrmarginofsafety]

@@JT2JZ My K5 GIXER rocks tons of mid-range probably like the CP R1 very comfortable too.

[@dylanglave7879]

You wouldn’t have to downshift if you were in six gear on the freeway I stay in fourth or fifth year unless I’m doing 130+ then I hit six gear between 100 120 4th and 5th gear is perfect

[@JT2JZ]

Ya that’s definitely its happy rpm range. I use the bike a lot for long distance rides though. I need the fuel mileage or else I won’t make it when there is no fuel station for nearly 200kms I’m a few spots local to me.

[@luislongoria6621]

A thirsty Yamaha? I had to do some digging to find out the old VMax got discontinued. I could see how some riders aren't looking for that kind of Yamaha

[@Chrisnuzzo76]

What's funny is the standard 2003 with 152 hp, 25+ less hp than either of these bikes, is faster and has way more power in the mid rpm band and up to about about 110 mph. 0-60 in 2.9 while the 2006 is 3.0. But after 110 mph both these bikes leave the 03 in the dust. So basically the 02/03 is better for street use, while the cross plane shines in the higher rpms and at the the track.

[@jackallred8228]

I wish they made both the flat and cross plane r1 at the same time. And just change the cam, ecu timing, and the crank. Those would need to be the only different parts

[@JT2JZ]

I agree. More options when buying is always a good thing!

[@jackallred8228]

@@JT2JZ completely different machines but decently similar design, different engines for different people.

[@RageEG]

Crossplane also has a balancer shaft, to cancel out the rocking couple. So that would complicate things a bit.

[@stestar09]

I get a 1k bike , i wana sacrifice nothing , power wanted all through the range , i don't wana down shift or I'd just keep the 600

[@JT2JZ]

That’s my style as well. Power is #1 on my list of reasons I ride a crotch rocket.

[@ThorgalsWalhalla]

does ever Rn22 have crossplane?

[@JT2JZ]

Yamaha is the only company that makes the Crossplane engine.

[@ThorgalsWalhalla]

@@JT2JZ what i mean to aks is, if every Yamaha RN22 (and Facelift) has the Crossplane Motor?

[@JT2JZ]

Yes. The Crossplane came out in 2009 for the R1. They are still currently using that engine today.

[@ThorgalsWalhalla]

@@JT2JZ awesome thank you :) how important is tracktion controll and things like that for someone who never riden a liter bike ? ireally like the looks of the RN22 but the only models i found are without the tracktion controll update

[@ivandanvervittali3817]

you should have used the R1 2007 - 2008 which has the same brakes and more power lol

[@JT2JZ]

In a perfect world I would love to own more bikes. My finances don’t agree though lol

[@stestar09]

Ah so the 08 r1 has 6 pot brakes ? Its what i have & i thought a previous owner had swapped them out because the 06 looks the same as mine but the brakes on mine are 6 pistons each side

[@ivandanvervittali3817]

@@stestar09 not just the brakes, some small engine ccomponents, the body, brake light, coolant reservoir etc. Looks the same but not'

[@vicpnut1]

You put bikes in the house when you have a garage ? My bikes lucky to get a cover when I know weathers coming 😬🤷🏼‍♂️…then again I live in apartment and my bikes not an R1…R1 little brother (09FZ1) which someone dropped /small lay down b4 I got it ….nice stable there ,to bad old ones leaving .I believe it’s the engine that went into my FZ1 and it’s a quick ride fo’sho’ !….

[@JT2JZ]

Ya I enjoy having the bikes inside over the winter. It also gives me more space in the garage for winter projects like when I built my 750whp Toyota supra.

[@vicpnut1]

@@JT2JZ you’re living my dream life 😬👍🏼🤘🏼✌️

[@jeremiahbuck5191]

@@vicpnut1 only have one life, have to make the best of it!

[@sokegame8788]

If you're in 6th gear at 4k rpm in traffic that's your answer honestly. Shouldn't be in 6th gear. All the down low issues aren't on a graph so it's really on the rider and not knowing how to ride the bike. Never experienced any of those issues on my 09

[@jacobhendrickson8935]

I don’t think the 5vy looks dated at all.

[@wade998]

flat plane all day with the F1-lke howl.

[@JT2JZ]

🤘

[@johnrenehan7406]

The cross plane has less low down grunt ??? Like you ve just said the opposite to all others ! I mean - ive ridden an 12" year model around the track - out of corners it had heaps of torque right from 2 k rpm ...... Certainly more than my 2005 R1

[@JT2JZ]

The Crossplane has really good torque in the mid rpm but does not run as efficiently as the flatplane crank in the very low rpm’s say 2000-4000. Most people don’t ride at that low of rpm’s

[@JAMMAJ-cq2bl]

Flatplane all the way😂 Tried and true😃

[@JT2JZ]

They are more reliable that’s for sure!

[@CsniperC]

i had 2008 black and 2012 gray i loved 2008 ... i will never buy crosspalane again...

[@JT2JZ]

Did you have a bad experience with the Crossplane? The 2008 was a very good year for Yamaha.

[@CsniperC]

@@JT2JZ önlu with sound.its like mt 07.i hate that sound..riding is better but sound is more important in city for me

[@Yeah_na]

Hmmm… I hate it when people change your mind…

[@JT2JZ]

It’s just my 2 cents. Take it with a grain of salt

[@stubbk3]

So does this mean the old bike is a better road bike with better low end pull

[@JT2JZ]

In my opinion yes. Better street manors, better fuel mileage and generally less problematic from my experience. Less unique and it doesn’t have the same fun factor though.

[@stubbk3]

@@JT2JZ costs less too which now is a factor I have to consider.

[@JT2JZ]

Agreed. That was originally a huge deciding factor for me as well.

[@Chrisnuzzo76]

With the flat plane getting better gas mileage I'd go with it. Sounds like the crossplane is designed primarily for track use, and having to refill the tank more often and down shifting to move through traffic sounds like more of a pain than it is worth. I have an 03 R1 and it doesn't make as much power as these, especially because it doesn't have ram air, but I get 36-45 miles per gallon and my mid-range power is actually stronger than both of these bikes, which makes it much more practical for a daily driver. But, if I were someone that used my bike fior track use, I would then definitely get the crossplane.

[@panosdanzis950]

06 its the king if we gonna talk for performance. for the looks 09 its mona lisa. cross plane are better for playing for sure. if we talk for engine power race the 06 will tear all cross planes a part and as the road continue the 06 continue to gets ahead no euro no nothing rare meat xD

[@JT2JZ]

My 06 was a damn good bike that’s for sure!

[@panosdanzis950]

@@JT2JZ i was own a 06 and i never lose by a cp engine now i have a 07 its good but that pull of the 06 was something else the bike never stops to accelerate like a infinity gear xD the 4 gear was hitting 280 klm only with program, filter, air box mode, polini clutch system, and stock exhast with a/r inside, exup off ,stock sprockets oem. i sell it cause the engine hit a lot of miles only for that i dont want to rebuild it i live in greece

[@Ruthless_Gaming_]

Doing the speed limit “110”

[@JT2JZ]

Always

[@joshdean5867]

He's talking in kmh not mph

[@SystemAdministrator1]

2007-2008 R1 is faster Check out quarter mile times

[@jvillain9946]

2012-2014 doesnt have abs either

[@JT2JZ]

Correct. Just traction control

[@johnrexanaconda5872]

inline 4 its best 2004 to 2008

[@JT2JZ]

Both of these bikes are inline 4 engines. Just different crankshaft designs

[@johnrexanaconda5872]

correct crossplane the other one exhaust also different

[@timothycaldwell2560]

This didnt need to be a half hour video.

[@JT2JZ]

It could have easily been made much longer.