What’s really behind Red Bull’s scathing criticism of F1’s 2026 plans

[@iamlato]

in my opinion the problem leans more towards the proposed chassis changes. if theyre trying to make smaller, lighter cars then wouldn't active aero and heavier engines be seriously counterintuitive? max wanting simple, driveable cars is not unreasonable at all

[@AtreusMobile]

Yh that’s what I’m trying to grasp with, Lithium batteries are much heavier than the V6 when giving power and it’s not constant either, they are going to be heavier and much less faster

[@mondodimotori]

Aren't new engines supposed to be simpler and lighter? And I'm pretty sure I've heard they intend to phase out active aero (DRS) in the future.

[@pietrovilla15]

​@@mondodimotorielectric engines are kind of the opposite of light

[@decypheredmatrix]

@@mondodimotori the active aero changes they are planning are entirely separate from DRS and would function differently, and act as a sort of "replacement" in a way. Hope this helps

[@MrNinjaFish]

It's none of Max's business. All of the teams and drivers fight to get the rules they want, that's part of the sport.

[@LouSassol69er]

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. They're scared of the new reliance on engine power because they could lose out to Mercedes, Honda or Ferrari. But also the weight increase is God awful. I thought they proposed to make the cars lighter, not heavier. In that sense the regs are awful.

[@nabstergaming2859]

yeah exactly but even looking at FE and electric road cars they are all very heavy because of of those big batteries so weight will be an issue

[@travisfubu9053]

Fix your Effing battery horner

[@moka5377]

@@nabstergaming2859 anyone even with just half a brain knows electric battery powered cars arent sustainable future option, if anything hydrogen is the future, hate how private business interest is wasting valuable recourses and polluting our planet just so they can profit off of some ignorant ppl who want to feel "green" and like they care, when reality is 20 year old cars both petrol and diesel have lesser pollution footprint than any electric battery car. all this investment in electric battery cars us such a waste.

[@RockSolitude]

No, there is no "truth lies somewhere in the middle" here. Saying they are worried that they could lose out to rival teams is completely unfounded. Not only is the weight and size going to get worse, but the cars are going to get less powerful because they will be running at 500hp normally and will only have a few seconds of full power, then needing to recharge for a few laps. The battery and energy regen can't keep up with the motor.

[@LarzB]

If the reason is because of the power unit, then asking for higher ratio of combustion engine is the exact opposite to expect.

[@FCS84168]

i agree with Horner, I dont understand why F1 wants to electrrify so much if they will use 100% sustainable fuels. Just ditch the electric part and make a small and nimble car which will improve racing

[@youngster30uk]

Have you not noticed, the car manufacturing industry is turning towards electric? Most countries have banned the production of Petrol and diesel cars from about 2030

[@kesh_r]

Agreed, and find a way to design cars that don’t need DRS to pass

[@FCS84168]

@@youngster30uk so? in most countries you cant own guns but there are still shooting competitions.

[@550LMS]

@@youngster30uk and? I can't buy a car with slicks yet F1 drives with them. F1 isn't road cars.

[@youngster30uk]

@@FCS84168 So, whats you point. Most countries prostitution is banned, but you can still get hookers! F1 has a goal to be the innovator for the motor industry as a whole. F1 has a mandate to become more sustainable and thats the way the motor industry is going. F1 has a necessity to be relevant to the motor industry

[@aredd92]

I think his concerns are warranted. The FIA has clearly been trending towards slower, heavier, and quieter cars all for the sake of the environment because they care more about "optics" rather than the entertainment aspect of the sport. The emissions from the cars themselves are but a "speck" in comparison to the logistics (cargo planes/semis etc).

[@550LMS]

If RB/Max are accurate in their statement if I was liberty I'd think again about not selling F1 for 20 billion to the Saudis, because if 2026 is as said, they struggle to get 2 billion for it not long after that.

[@taylorwhedon9486]

This. Is. Spot. On. 🤌 thank you for the comment. Honestly, just let them race and make awesome cars. There’s nothing environmentally friendly about racing cars in the first place. Let’s not pretend it will be when they run through 6 plus sets of tires in a weekend.

[@dane4265]

you forget that the teams within F1 want to push the envelope , car manufacturers want to develop new tech, F1 is and has been doing this for years. Hybrid rules are bringing in more car manufacturers, this is good for the sport. This isn't nascar.

[@550LMS]

@@travisfubu9053 woooosh

[@jayman81424]

You guys are thick headed. It is not about the emissions the cars put out, it is about the technology these manufacturers are spending millions upon millions of dollars on. Like it or not, all of these companies have missions on reducing their carbon footprint and if the technology in Formula 1 does not align with that, then we do not have any engine manufacturers.

[@bennyb.1742]

I do wish they'd lower the weight and go for lighter, smaller cars. If it's all about sustainability and efficiency, being smaller brings both those things.

[@TyRaidd]

It isn't about that though - it's pure corporate virtue-signalling.

[@apathy_led]

@@TyRaidd True. Electric cars have there own sets of problems, especially in manufacturing. Making a care "more electric" doesn't make it more sustainable.

[@HighOctaneNews570]

Electric cars are a lie, and they want to destroy or beloved sport

[@launchsquid]

Awesomely both Horner and Max have given concrete reasons why these new rules will be bad for F1: - Massive batteries that will create packaging and cooling problems. - The need for cars to downchange on straight to charge batteries for laptime advantage. - overtaking becoming more difficult due to active aero making following harder. Given its likely consensus won't be reached to change the regulations, we will have a solid test for if Redbull sre telling us the truth or not. I'll be honest though, when the 2014 regulations were proposed and people said it was going to create ugly nose tips, and force drivers to lift and coast to save fuel in races, they were called doom mongers too, and when the cars arrived they had ugly nose tips and the drivers needed to lift and coast in races. When the 2022 rule changes were pronounced they said the cars will be slower and follow closer increasing overtakes, that came true too. So I'm not going to lie, when someone so vigorously makes specific warnings about an upcoming rule change, and people ignore them, I feel concerned.

[@E_Clip]

They have 3 years to develop the car and work on potential problems. The changes were just announced, there is no way in hell they understand them correctly in such a short time. They could be right of course, but its too early to tell if that's actually going to be the case.

[@BlinkyBill_]

LOL no other team is worried juts redbull imagine this same year there works engine comes tolight and will be responsible for 50% of the cars power *thinking*

[@Csks]

@@BlinkyBill_given Red Bulls ridiculous advantage currently who do you think is paying the most attention to 2026 refs? I’ll give you a hint it’s not Toto

[@NomadUniverse]

And honestly if his driver and team weren't miles out in front he would get more support. It wouldn't matter what he said at the moment, he has a massive target on him and all other teams are adjusting their sights. Even if its as simple as not supporting him in this issue. Why would you not listen to what your current dominating driver and team are saying. They obviously know what they are doing.

[@NomadUniverse]

@@E_Clip Define correctly though...the changes arent that huge and it's still all the same concepts where logical conclusions can be drawn. It's all relatively simple engineering with known requirements at this stage.

[@karl9046]

As of right now with the new energy limit, it seems like the ICE will be close to 500bhp. In addtion to that, the new MGU-K will be able to put out 469 bhp, but obviously not for the whole lap, because the recovery system is not powerful enough. Do we really want to see F1 cars that approach a corner with only 500bhp and then lift and coasting for 200m before the corner? It´s not the 70s anymore... For me personally that is not enough, so i guess i am on RBs side in this case.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Even in the late 70s they had more than 500bhp lmao these new engine rules are a disaster honestly lol However I would be naive to say RB doesnt have an agenda either as well

[@Ceece20]

I also see the weight as a terrible thing. These cars are getting so incredibly heavy already. This next regulation will make it worse.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@Ceece20 these cars need to go on a crash diet! They are obese as racing cars

[@heisenballs]

If they can't make a car within the budget and technical restraints then maybe they shouldn't be competing and room should be made for others to come in and try their hand. This is F1 the pinnacle of motorsport engineering, they'll find a way.

[@lankyboy90]

@@heisenballs They're not saying they can't make a car within the rules. What they're saying is that from the data they've seen, the rules look to be rubbish!

[@SpookyGhost.]

So in summary, RBs issue is that they think the batteri is to small to constantly reach top speed att power circuit, but increasing the batteri size will make the car heavier and the racing worse.

[@fsplayedbyjulian]

still got to be charged ... that wouldnt help

[@karl9046]

I think the problem is the recovery system. There is not enough energy to recover, for the rules to work

[@jayaganesh4526]

😂😂 if race said it like this the video won’t be long enough to be monetised and they can’t trigger toxic rb and merc fan bois to have battles in the comments section, you don’t understand the business mate😂😂😂

[@abingdonboy]

The battery tech isn’t there. There’s ample technical analysis to support what Horner has said- the level of regen needed to match the output is not physically possible under the 2026 rules/tech The cars are already so massive and heavy and they’ll get even worse for 2026 Obviously Horner is batting for his one interests but he’s absolutely right that these cars will be frankenstein monsters and nothing like the nimbler lighter cars some promised 2026 would deliver. They are getting closer and closer to FE sadly

[@mstar011]

basically i think RB are concerned the battery management/tech/knowledge other engine have will leave them exposed as they are seeing issues.

[@MrUltraworld]

I just want to see an F1 race and NOT know who's going to win before a lap is turned.

[@MrBertstare]

you must be new here! there is one or two seasons a decade that goes like that.

[@seanonraet8327]

It's kind of par for the course in f1. I'd recommend any feeder series, FE or indycar if you want unpredictable open wheel racing

[@Devdev009]

@@seanonraet8327 Normally Indycar, but Palou is running away with it this year

[@klarkqent]

Don't watch f1 then because that's been the case for the majority of seasons since the early 90s

[@Nemoticon]

F1 is a development series... whoever builds the fastest car dominates. The drivers might sell the sport, but it's actually an engineer's motorsport, that's where the magic is. Welcome to F1.

[@florisbackx1744]

Yes, there is an hidden agenda, any F1 team principale always has a hidden agenda's. But I do feel Max's arguments are pretty compelling and raise real risks. I also feel that the active aero part takes away a big part of the 'art' of finding mechanical grip to keep drag down. This in combination with the new engine rules wil make the engine way more influential in deciding what car will perform best.

[@Miragexe]

Too early to tell at this point, peope who dislike RB and Max are going to say they're just whining, people who dislike Merc are going to say Toto is whining. Both sides won't argue against something that works in their favor, but it doesn't mean there cannot be a legitimate problem with the rules.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

I think the truth as usual lies somewhere in the middle RB concerns about the engine are legit and anyone who read the regulations change saw the potential issues from last year but at the same time they want to maintain their dominance by any means Mercedes are right saying the regs have been known for time and RB had a seat at the table as well as part of RBPT but they know they have more engine expertise than RB and are more likely to make a better engine than them I don’t like these new regulations at all but the rules have been made and settled on for about a year so it’s time to make their engines

[@NjeleMolStudios]

@@travisfubu9053 I agree , Redbull have pulled this PR stance in the past by getting the engine freeze which now they are benefiting from with Max winning 2021/22/23 F1 Championships , so this isn't new and obviously they wanna maintain their dominance by any means.🤷🤷🤷 So will see if this Engine regulations will be changed.

[@Enzoblueblood]

@@travisfubu9053 yeah, Hamilton should shut his mouth Oh wait… I’m on the wrong thread. My bad

[@joetheftman9619]

​@@travisfubu9053 You make it sound like it's a playground full of 8 year olds. I think Cartoon Network would be a better option for you.

[@random_username_thats_not_used]

The thing is Ferrari backed Redbull and they have no reason to do it

[@andyf1210]

Toto saying f1 is innovative enough to fix these problems, but needed a technical directive to fix the porpoising on his own cars. Brilliant.

[@florisbackx1744]

He is just waiting fir the moment where he can tell Horner to "fix your fucking car" hahaha.

[@jimbomac555]

So he’s right their hit rate is good. Porpoising was one of very few issues they haven’t been able to fix and yet he said “f1”, not his team - F1 did fix porpoising, look at red bull…

[@chriswirges5202]

I'm not always thrilled with Horner but on this topic I totally agree. 60-40 with sustainable fuel is plenty. Look at Seb running his V-10 during exhibitions with sustainable fuel, it has that awesome sound ( that these will never have) and power. Why do we need 50-50? No!

[@GBGB000]

I just want to see lighter, nimbler, smaller cars with a lot of power. I honestly don't care one bit about sustainable fuels or whatever buzzwords they're promoting.

[@bishopoftroy]

You`re living in the same climate crysis whether you want to accept it or not and it`s not really about how much fuel an F1 car is burning but the image the sport is projecting to the world. It`s not just buzzwords. It`s a real concern that needs to be addressed by everybody in this world, including you.

[@daarom3472]

its greenwashing simply put. Best for the environment would be to stop doing F1 altogether. Or simply dedicate 10% of their profits to sustainability projects.

[@ilias-mu4vt]

​@@daarom3472 "hey wait that's ilegal"

[@fearme46]

@@bishopoftroygo look at the F1 schedule and the ridiculous way it is set out. The carbon footprint of simply moving the sport around the globe dwarfs what the cars put out. Take in the materials used to build cars, tyres, all the wastage of parts etc etc the fuel the cars burn is literally the most insignificant part of the sport and is just a token gesture to appease the climate sheep.

[@KirtFitzpatrick]

@@daarom3472 100% agree it's greenwashing. But I'm also very interested to see F1 engineers wrestle with the limitations of electric and what solutions they may come up with for it. Batteries are heavy. F1 cars need to be light and rip through a ton of energy in a short time. With road cars, hybrids are always far more complicated and heavy than pure ICE or pure electric. It should be an interesting trial by fire.

[@Lanse1984]

I am worried about the 2026 regs as well. The entire list of complaints fans have is just being ignored honestly in the search of technology

[@twincam20mr]

Explain what’s being ignored? I’m curious

[@beanlentil]

​@@twincam20mruse of sustainable fuels without the use of batteries restoring v8s or v12s back into f1

[@AmundLyric]

That’s f1 tho, it’s always been about pushing technology and the race to be the most innovative. Fans shouldnt really have a say anyways, it’s a sport!

[@l_poci_]

@@beanlentilbringing back v8s or bigger engines isn’t happening. F1 is and has allways been for targeting the future of motorsport and motoring in general. Going back to those engines (as much as i would like to) is going backwards in development. Smaller engines like v6s and maybe I6 or i5/i4 could potentially sound very good (especially an i5, as a mini v10). But the main focus is efficiency. They probably wont drop the hybrid as it would massively drop efficiency on the car and counter the environmental help of the co2 neutral fules

[@DanishWistara]

@@AmundLyric that would be true, if not for the many rules limiting innovation

[@maplechill75]

I think it’s really funny to hear Toto say that a team just wants a rule change to help them with a problem after the Mercedes porpoising problem when he was doing exactly that.

[@lucascarpelli6954]

If RedBull has a problem with the new regulations they should change their fucking car!

[@maplechill75]

@@lucascarpelli6954 that should go for all teams. It’s particularly rich to hear Toto throw stones from his glass house.

[@spudo133]

⁠@@maplechill75it’s rich for Horner to claim that he is more interested on the sport than it being self served. Keeping in mind Mercedes are kings of coming up with powerful power trains. All these teams do and say to benefit themselves, nothing new here.

[@maplechill75]

@@spudo133 exactly, so to hear any boss point fingers is a joke. In this case, it just happened to be Toto.

[@andrewfayi9448]

@@spudo133 finally, a real comment! all these teams and drivers are selfish. So it’s pointless to make a cringe names for each driver, such a crymilton and crashspappen. Let’s just enjoy the sport, but of course these DTS fans don’t understand that.

[@roadmantop3769]

2.4lt six cylinder engines, natrually aspirated, synthetic Fuel and no addition weight with electronics .... done!

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

And get Seb to head up a working group to do environmental projects in the name of F1.

[@gordontheman6151]

My reasonable suggestion would be: 2.0 turbo inline 4. Most relevant engine in the world, might get some good innovation. Would be very interesting how they would package it. And 80/20 with Combustion/electric power wise so that we have less hybrid stuff that makes them heavy. (Would rather have V10s again, but it's ain't gonna happen)

[@StephenLee529]

I’m not a Horner fan however, we know RB to be a very capable team in the engineering department. Given that they rule this formula generation I do believe they have started working towards 2026 and could have a very valid point. I think it is worth looking into. If it is 🗑️ then RB will get raked over the coals for that. 2026 cars should be trying to get lighter not heavier…🤔

[@crazehsmile]

I find it absolutely hilarious that of all the people, Toto is the one that said "oh they're just afraid of the new rules". They were dominating for 8 years, suddenly their car is slower than Red Bull and then they immediately go and ask for rule changes cuz their car stinks. I don't even like Red Bull but I'd rather they win than fucking Merc.

[@Kaimax61]

Kinda ironic that Wolf says, "he's not worried that F1 wouldn't be innovative enough to counter act the scenario" YET here we are, in the Aero era, where RB is dominating, because the rest of the team can't figure out how to do Aero and downforce right. He's only saying that because he knows Merc engines gonna win hard again.

[@cappeb]

If you have 100% sustainable fuel just slap on a V10 and ditch the electric motors

[@guttsu]

Every team has an agenda so it shouldn't be surprising. ESPECIALLY if it's coming out of Horner's mouth, or any TP really. But am worried about car weight increasing yet again. They keep going in the wrong direction with size and weight and that should be a real focus to reducing both of those.

[@LandonMurray-m8h]

People blame the battery but I belive a majority of the size and weight is due to the current safety specs. Remember how concerned people were mercs no sidepods didn't fit the sidepod safety profile?

[@yuriibondar3757]

​@@LandonMurray-m8hwell, safety is quite important though, isn't it?

[@99EKjohn]

​@@yuriibondar3757meh, there's a lot that matters more, like liberty.

[@yuriibondar3757]

@@99EKjohn ... what does that have to do with F1 cars?

[@hugeiftrue4224]

Whether or not Horner’s got an ulterior motive, his complaints are not wrong. Smaller, lighter cars = better racing

[@damianclark550]

Many teams have a dominant era. If people want pure driving skill that won't happen. You would need the rules to be like the Indy Car series. Cars mostly the same but a few parts they can develop independently.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I like both F1 and Indycar and the difference between the two series is what I find interesting. F1 is about the technical aspects in addition to driver skill and I'm fine with that. If you want to see really good drivers (quite a few of them being F1 caliber) in larely equal machinery Indycar is where you want to be. F1 becoming a spec series or close to it takes away a lot of what make F1 unique given the existence of Indycar and F2.

[@joobaggs6886]

Alex Palou is leading by 110 points so there goes that argument about no dominance!

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@joobaggs6886 Yeah, for just this championship. We are talking about extended multi-season dominance. Hence, dominant "era".

[@persezyra]

Dust off the 1991 cars and race with those. 480kg NA V10.

[@Icewolf2oo3]

Just like any team that has had a period of domination, they don't want to risk losing that.

[@elcactusdelamuerte506]

Chances are they're just worried they don't actually know how to build an engine without honda doing it for them, which is ironic given they turned Porsche down because they were sure they could build an engine by themselves

[@mauricemotors8207]

The FIA systematically slowed Mercedes down tho

[@magicjack4076]

@@elcactusdelamuerte506i think porche wanted more control which I guess red bull wants to keep control. Kind of wish Mclaren partnered with porche. I’m not sure what the deal is Ford with but using a badged up Honda engine with Ford who has no experience with theses new engine compared to the other manufacturers then i guess you can’t blame them for wanting to try keep the status quo

[@elcactusdelamuerte506]

@@magicjack4076 RB higher ups originally agreed to the Porsche deal in principle, but Horner and Marko fought back with we don’t want to give Porsche that much power and used the we just spent hundreds of millions on a new engine facility as their main point. Ford aren’t making the engines for the new regs they’re simply sponsors. It’s a bit like when red bull ran “TAG Heuer” engines in 2016-2018 which were simply the Renault engines, it’s just this time rb are planning to build the engines themselves. And we sort of can blame them for trying to keep the status quo when they’ve already agreed to the regs in concept (after being one of two groups pushing heavily for engine changes), chose to become their own engine suppliers rejecting existing, new and returning manufactures and the last few years have been the most vocal for rules not being changed allowing for merc to dominate. Yeah they’ll do what they can to keep winning, but it’s like everything in f1 a load of rich kids throwing tantrums because things aren’t doing their way being massive hypocrites the entire time.

[@givemeabreak8784]

Lighter cars are the most. Why a bigger and heavier battery when they use sustainable fuels ? We are going to see cost increases all over the board with these powertrans.

[@DavieAM600]

An increase in the size of the battery pack will increase the weight again. I wonder how heavy they will let these cars get.......

[@andrigtmiller]

I think there is one thing they should change with the 2026 engine regulations, and it's not the approximately 50/50 split of power between the internal combustion engine and the electrical power. For some reason, which I can't fathom, the electric power has been increased, but they have kept the total output of the electrical energy to 4 megajoules, which is the same as the current regulations. I think they raise the ceiling, since they have raised the amount of power. It's the 4 megajoule limit that makes the power unit run out of electrical energy at around 11 seconds, compared to around 33 seconds now. So, just raising the ceiling a small amount would probably solve the problem with tracks like Monza.

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

I dont think Max is scared of not having the fastest car. I think he wants to race propper racing cars. He has nothing else to prove to anyone.

[@denzel9086]

And the cars that he would have won his fake titles are not proper cars anyway. So what does that make him?

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

@@denzel9086 sure

[@onlyviralvibes8386]

Ofcourse he is he know if Lewis or Leclerc get equal car he is Finished add to that his goal to leave the sport in 2028 i dont think max will stick in F1 for long the moment he wont have the best car he will leave like a coward

[@hoya1178]

@@onlyviralvibes8386 Lmao, you must be really ignorant because Max is better than both of them, Max also beat Lewis in 2021 even though Max had a slower car overall than Lewis that season.

[@hoya1178]

@@denzel9086 Typical british fanboy behavior, all of Max's titles are real buddy. Stop crying lol

[@jealva]

Anyone who has been to a race and been in the Paddock Club realizes that Net Zero is a marketing slogan only. F1 needs to go to NA engines with cleaner fuel and be unapologetic about it.

[@noobsaibot7006]

Redbull is complaing because it will be like 2014 where for 7 years have not won anything until now. Rules most likely favour engines rather than aero by the time 2026 comes I think Adrian Newey will retire.

[@DanishWistara]

Adrian Newey barely worked on the car I think? Either that or he just worked on the suspension

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@DanishWistara yup his main work was getting the suspension to work he doesn’t even work Full time at RB anymore he’s a contractor

[@richardallen503]

People saying RB worried about the engine, what they have stated with 60/40 split means they are relying more on the engine !

[@slevingaius]

Well in MotoGP Ducati did warn that aero is a black hole and look where they are, same for F1 the cars are not getting lighter even with the best tech available its still overweight and drivers are still mentioning "dirty air". So I would say Horner does have a point though its rich coming from both him and Toto, on the flip side Alpine/Renault are strangely quiet.

[@Fr3ddyUK]

Did Ducati say that before Audi bought them out, or after? Because since Audi took over, their ability to go around corners has improved by a coutry mile. And no-one is really going to win against them, unless it one of the satelite Ducati teams, like Pramac.

[@LordHypnosis]

Who would have thought that getting rid of the current power unit for a dumbed down version would result in more compromises? But yes of course Red Bull or any other team in the sport isn't selfless.

[@calgar42k]

Well the reality being do we want F1 to become a dumbed down version of formula E for the sake of a decarboned ideology we dont give a crap about ! personally i would prefer active suspension , V8 or V10 biturbo ,active aero with no battery at all !

[@paperplane-db8qf]

@@calgar42k you're not spending hundreds of millions of dollars so your opinion is irrelevant. All the car manufacturers want these regulations. Honda and Audi would not even sign up without it.

[@Versatilty]

Let's be honest if this was a legit concern across F1 then there would be at least one other team that would have similar concerns. Since it is only Red Bull, the completely dominant team right now, the more things change the less likely they are to repeat their success like with the current regulations. This is clearly RB being concerned about not being dominant and nothing to do with an overall concern. Full disclosure I'm not a RB or Merc fan I'm an Aston fan that finally has something to root for lol

[@Dacommenta]

What’s really behind redbulls criticism is the Brit media fuelling anti redbull comments.

[@rars0n]

Losing Honda is going to be a big blow to Red Bull. It's not that they can't build their own engine, but I suspect they will struggle with getting both performance and reliability out of their new power unit, at least at first. Having Ford will help, but I suspect Aston Martin will leapfrog Red Bull once the new engine regs go into effect. At the same time, I think the cars are already overly complicated and a return to smaller, lighter, simpler cars would be a good thing. So I don't entirely disagree with Red Bull, either. IMO F1 needs to swing the balance back in favor of the internal combustion engine and focus on synthetic fuels, rather than going too far down the electrification path. Incidentally, I would suggest the same thing for the car manufacturers' road vehicles as well. 100% electrification simply isn't a sustainable future, nor is it an exciting one.

[@jstogdill]

You know what else isn’t exciting? Record high temperatures and non stop wildfires. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@philtucker1224]

If any team wishes to leap frog Red Bull they would have to have a superior development department to the one that Adrian Newey currently heads up. Yes it is possible, but not very likely..

[@philtucker1224]

Regarding moving towards sustainable fuels instead of electricity it would involve transferring agricultural land (currently irrigated with very precious water for the production of food) into crops grown for bio fuel to service the convenience of motor vehicles. Personally, I would not support that notion.

[@onlyviralvibes8386]

​@@philtucker1224neywey is an aero Guy bro they are finished they New regs are engine reliable so basically rb is in the shit and max is scared to lose his rockeship it could expose his ass being an average driver

[@hoya1178]

@@onlyviralvibes8386 You Verstappen haters both delusional and ignorant

[@GlobalNomadPete]

Merc have customers. They are probably downplaying the challenges to get engine contracts. Red Bull don't have that worry right now. Horner may have a point but is probably over-exaggerating to gain an advantage because the Powertrains project is likely getting expensive.

[@SD-mi2vc]

Thus lowering competitiveness even lower

[@marion817]

That’s rich coming from Toto. So he’s pretty much admitting that his whole drama surrounding ride height and “safety” last year was also purely driven by his own agenda. There’s already videos about this and of course Horner is partly raising this out of genuine concern and self-interest. That’s how competition works. If it’s really a physics problem that cannot be solved by any of the brightest minds in the sport, it at least warrants revisiting.

[@chuza_97]

Yeah, they are all like that; they are selfish because they want to win. If they cant beat each other on track they will try to win outside of it; Horner bit ching about DAS, midfield complaints about Pink Mercedes, and Toto crying about porpossing.

[@kratos9223]

Who says the issue Horner raised can't be solved? 😅Other teams is not as concerned as he is. Typical slimy RBR.

[@pauls5745]

I think the main concern is the bigger, heavier electrical side of things. this makes cars less agile and race pace will be slower due to drivers having less available power at any given point. It's going to be more Formula E-like style racing

[@benroberts9268]

You all just have tunnel vision of ”red bull want to keep theyere dominance”. But if the cars actually become much heavier than they are now, and they already are too heavy its a really bad thing, and if the cars become even bigger then they are now its a bad thing. And why should the engines be 50% electric we have a different category for that (Formula E). And all the uncontrollable wing levels in the car is really terrible, imagine the best drivers in the world not being able to adjust theyre own wing level while driving, it would be like the FIA driving for you.

[@dinos0123]

Well if the cars get heavier, if the ERS cannot harvest fast enough, if the engine is that much weaker than there is a huge problem…. I would certainly like v8 or v10 with eco fuel but that ain’t happening. Honestly I think there is something in what Max is saying.

[@tomstevens7452]

The concern by them is that another team will have better batteries. Honda is said to have the best baterry system and could be at an advantage

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

The new engine regs are a disaster I said this the moment I heard the regs but fans heard it might be louder noises and got exicted They're removing a part that makes these engines super efficient (MGU-H) so going against their own sustainability angle/tripling the batteries which make cars even heavier and don't always completely recharge fast dependent on the circuit you're on and have reduced how strong the ICE will be It's a disaster However dont get it wrong, RB are complaining rn because the want to maintain status quo

[@JabaloeGaming]

@@tomstevens7452 if you have to downshift 500m before a corner so the battery harvest enough energy so you have a much quicker exitspeed then when you brake like normally that aint good

[@vincentchang2673]

​@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 F1 is a business which wants to expand it's engine manufacture portfolio, so they have to get rid of MGU-H as that's what VW group want

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

​@@vincentchang2673Yup I know that's why they got rid of it as the VW group were Cba to make their own MGU-H but it's a big loss honestly The 2026 cars are going to be very very slow lol wouldn't be surprised if they're like 2014-2015 slow

[@tonyhull9427]

I think it’s all of the above. Teams compete not only on the track, but off the track as well. They compete to see who has the best PR, the best facilities, the best employees, the best livery, the best reputation, etc. In short, they compete at every level.

[@ivarvdk2610]

i reckon that every team is selfish, but as max is pretty blunt as says what he thinks, i dont think he is trying to be tactical here, or RB lied to him and show him something different or they are actually going to downshift on the straights

[@jb-y1487]

You don’t know what you are talking about max’s problem with the gearbox is a Honda problem because they have a small gearbox the other teams have bigger gearboxes so they are not running into that problem this is a crybaby max redbull problem not and f1 problem

[@orangepekoe7096]

​@@jb-y1487Honda doesn't make gearboxes for RB. RB makes their own gearbox.

[@motorsportsfan]

@@jb-y1487 Red Bull build their own gearboxes, Honda only build the power unit (ICE/MGUH/MGUK/TURBO/ES/CE/EXHAUST etc) 😉👍

[@netaisarker4991]

@@jb-y1487 u got the iq of a squirrel

[@Lamp-iw3gl]

@@jb-y1487if u think downshifting on the straight to gain time and the cars getting heavier is good then u must be delusional. If these issues are true then max is right to highlight them because those things arent good for f1. Cars are already heavy as it is

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

TBF RB is right. It it's "green" fuel, then why increase the electric input?

[@jamiemaxwell9649]

Wondering why active aero is being introduced but active suspension was ruled out?

[@stusue9733]

Because one is just expensive while the other is expensive but can be "green washed"

[@SilverScarletSpider]

it should be a 80% engine and 20% battery split because the batteries are way too heavy and low energy density

[@bluedog2367]

The second F1 goes full electric, I’m switching off. To say electrification is being more sustainable than say, an e-fuel is not only incorrect but also obsurd. This cult of electrification is not the answer. Major car companies such as Toyota, Honda, BMW and even companies such as JCB already know this. The jig is up.

[@rars0n]

Yes, at this point it's all just virtue signaling anyway.

[@youngster30uk]

Clearly you dont read the news.have a look at Toyota's press release today. Your entrire premise is wrong. Is eFuel better than electric? Because of that inefficiency, a car running on e-fuel burns through significantly more electricity than an EV would use to go the same distance. EVs wind up being around four times more energy efficient, according to the ICCT. That inefficiency comes with significant costs.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

They can't go full electric as FE has the exclusive electric premier racing competition agreement with the FIA for many years

[@youngster30uk]

@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Its debatable how long Formula E will survive. Race by race viewing is already declining

[@camo8723]

Never believe I would have said this, but I miss Bernie Ecclestone. F1 is everything but motor racing. This green marketing agenda, the focus on entertainment than racing and the FIA making a clown of themselves is painful. It would be amazing if Vettel's initiative of alternative fuels gains more support, but money is on batteries and green washing corporate image. F1 is mutating and I'm not sure if I'll be loving this sport as I used to.

[@GranDaddo]

I may have been naive, but some of the best racing we have seen was when you gave a lot of freedom to engineers and define (for example) amount of energy they can use per race (example 100lit of petrol). Why not giving them same here? Energy from petrol or from electricity combined in one number and let's see with limited budget who will do better job. Maybe best is 70:30, maybe 30:70... up to them to decide.

[@Onizukachan915]

Fuel amounts are already limited. That’s why the revs are so low.

[@SilverWolfXIII]

The idea would be to make the cars lighter and smaller and not half formula e. Hopefully 2026 won't be a dud

[@ediltonspencer6974]

Am I the only one who think RB will have an underpowered PU in 2026 and will have a tough few years just like Mclaren Honda? On the other hand, Honda at this moment has the best electric unit and with the batteries getting even more relevance I'd say Aston Martin is in a very good place coming 2026.

[@irishwristwatch2487]

If Stroll can get up to scratch they could be very good. He is slightly improving

[@philliptiestopl1511]

I HOPE THEY HAVE A SHIT CAR AFTER ALL THE CRYING ABOUT MERCEDES

[@dahorn100011]

No you're not. If red bull are moaning, it must be the right decision

[@caesaraugustus3749]

Engineering explained did a really good video on the new engines and yeah, something is definately off with them

[@fentmaxxer_]

i love how bored guenther looks at 2:34 😂

[@guve25]

I think Horner simply doesn't put that much trust on Ford to deliver the electric part of the PU.

[@michaelwilkie35]

Max is both one of the best drivers in the world, (on the track & in sim’ racing) & hilariously blunt in what he says so if has concerns about how the cars could/might drive I believe him. Honestly I don’t think he cares as much about maybe not being on the dominant team as much as the racing won’t be as enjoyable/fun behind the wheel.

[@Lewythefly]

So Wolf underhandedly agrees with Horner about the problem of down shifting to generate power for the battery. But also slammed Horner for mentioning it. Sustainability is a joke, nothing about F1 is sustainable

[@afrofantom6631]

not gonna pretend that i understand the regs in depth or something like that but it seems that they need to do a version of the high rake - low rake rule from 2021 to make it so that the rb is slower.

[@cap7ainadam387]

That wasn't the purpose, the purpose was to decrease load on the tires

[@afrofantom6631]

@@cap7ainadam387 purpose, intent and impact; their interplay is not what concerns me. The result is what I really care about.

[@syreemills1553]

you mean cut downforce to simulate a rule change thats not gonna happen ? why do yall always act like that rule was meant to slow mercedes down when A ) they werent the only team to be affected by that and lost performance and B ) the rule literally had an effect on every car on the grid as they all lost down force yall need to stop acting like the mercedes brigade acting like that rule was a nerf to them when it was a general nerf to everybody on the grid

[@TheDouman1]

@@syreemills1553 well the reason is Mercedes did not carry the same car from 2020 to 2021.RB did carry the same car and the reduce floor did benefit them since they were the team that push for it. Remember the W11 lost the DAS System, the party mode and the floor reduction before getting to 2021. RB carry all the specs of their car to 2021 and gain on everybody.

[@MaximVanberg]

your voice and speaking style sounds like from channel DryDry ragnarok x

[@bootoo]

i don’t frequently agree with red bull but in this case i agree completely. it’s hard to imagine racing can improve while the cars remain so heavy

[@svenhodaka9145]

Hybrids are only good for long range EVs (think Audi DAKAR etron GT). Let’s keep F1 simple: sustainable fuels and V10s. 😁

[@kevinwilliams3694]

Formal E has ended up with tactics more like cycling teams due to battery saving. A larger swing to battery power could change things in interesting ways.

[@v4skunk739]

FE is a joke, complete cancer of a series.

[@richardn3387]

Exactly. I want the race leader to hold the lead, not burn up all their electrical capacity so the car in fifth can swoop in at the end. And there better not be fan boost.

[@v4skunk739]

@@travisfubu9053 Cope, it's complete cancer.

[@phanboyiv]

​@@richardn3387We have that in F1 now - the leader can easily hold the lead. That's sort of the problem, though, isn't it?

[@0Synergy]

Or just add refueling back.

[@wolfhead74]

To some degree I feel the issue will come down to who else joins in...if you have Lando, Valtteri, Alex, Estaban etc. join in the criticism then it adds much more weight to the argument. As long as it is just one driver and one team, regardless of who that is, there will be speculation it is because of their design.

[@aleksanderclark296]

F1 going sustainable fuel for the engine is innovative but I'm really disappointed that there not been innovative enough with the battery tech. There's so much potential for battery's to be lighter or stay the same weight but have higher energy capacity as some road car manufactures are currently testing out as they see lithium as not the future for battery's but F1 don't seem to be going down that root. I know the alternatives battery's cost more right now but they will eventually reduce in price just like everything does.

[@juaneer]

The batteries don't have to be lithium in F1

[@aleksanderclark296]

@@juaneer well that's what there currently using and there not been innovative enough to find alternatives. You think with pioneering innovation of F1 they could have been better with the ideas for the battery's since they seem to have been innovative with the biofuel for the engine.

[@Bahbart]

I wouldn"t even be surprised if it was the other way around, maybe RBPT found a great advantage and now Horner is making sure nobody will be able to be against it when they hit the track.

[@reggiejohnson6521]

"...my interest is actually about the sport rather than self-gain" 😂😂😂

[@evanf133tr9]

I think we never should have left na v8s he cars should lose 50kg and have smaller wheels and chassis size

[@MaartenOosterbaan]

I am guessing most likely it's both....but it does sound weird that 50/50 split. A 760kg FE car can't last anywhere near the distance of an F1 race and nowhere near at the same speed. Despite it having 800hp, if they want 500hp from the MGU-K it does sound like a big issue. The FE car doesn't need to have an ICE or fuel. So these cars need to become very heavy...plus if the car can become a generator...does that count against the ICE? Or can they have an ICE that produces 800/900hp and then syphon off 300/400hp to charge the MGU-K systems....LMDh cars these days are minimum 1030kg....I sincerely hope we're not going there...

[@gallosai]

We are going there. That's exactly RB's point.

[@MaartenOosterbaan]

@@gallosai yeah...I am very afraid of that too...as in it would be pure utter shit...but I won't be laying awake about it...

[@marciosilva89]

A lot of people criticising RB Horner and Verstapen, but ok. Once the power unit and coasting to recharge is going to absolutely dominate F1 and ruin it, it's going to be the same people criticising the regulations, For now it's just fun to criticise Horner and his team because people are bitter that they did and are doing an amazing job.

[@Khiswow]

I just find it interesting that RB doesn't like a major change in the power plant when it will be the first time they have to step up and build a brand new power unit. They know that other engine manufacturers certainly have more expertise in that domain.

[@Ceece20]

Remember that development will now be part of the cost cap. So even though they have more expertise, just incorporating it into the new cars might bust the bank.

[@Khiswow]

@@Ceece20 Sure, but teams / manufacturers like Alpine or Ferrari allready have some insights with their programs in other competitions like Le Mans for example. And even if Ford will be able to help, having each party developping half of the power plant could be complicated and messy

[@hoya1178]

@@Khiswow You are completely ignoring what they are actually saying because of your bias against them *tsk tsk*

[@Khiswow]

@@hoya1178 Yes you got me. I'm a very biased Ayrton Senna fan. But for Horner comment excuse me for not taking seriously his comments or more precisely taking it as seriously as the one about the AM being a RB clone.

[@hoya1178]

@@Khiswow Lol, you seem offended by Horner's joke about AM being a RB clone, it also shows that you can't see how they have copied RB's concept.

[@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI]

1.8-2.0L V6 running on high fructose bio sustainable-degradable rocket fuel. NO DRS. 680kgs max weight Rerturn to mid race re-fueling but with some over engineered safety mechanism that can also pump ~10 L/per second ust kill the hybrid already... I think its been great but & personally I'm more in favour of hybrids than full EVs for the consumer but if you can get the ICE V6 runing on 100% renewable/sustainable fuels & also head 150kgs then yeah, lets do that... These cars aren't remotely nimble when you llook at the differece in past cars as recent as the RB9 or BGP001 let alone the MP4/4

[@ragemydream]

Toto said that in order to create innovation in technology, the rules need to make the engineers push the boundaries to find new solutions to meet them, otherwise they'll just keep moving the goalposts just like with the minimum weight.

[@ryanwhittle6525]

I think a legitimate retort to that will be how do they pay for the engineering to come up with a clever solution in a cost cap era?

[@mikko3]

@@ryanwhittle6525 If the engineers are good they have enough money to pick the best one. Cost cap hits people who are hiring bad engineers

[@TheBowlingPotato]

Easy to for him to say when it doesn't count against you but you can just dip into the patents and preexisting research of a century old major car company.

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

The problem of finding new solutions is that only 1 team will find a solution, and be a big step ahead of everyone else. That's the last thing we want.

[@jstang87]

We already have Formula E, we don’t need to keep pushing towards electric.

[@konstantinreuther3122]

Im still sad that the MGU-H is on it's way out. Such an impressive piece of technologie. I understand that it has maybe less relevancy in road cars but imo it could be implemented in some way even there.

[@Appletank8]

It would've been neat if kept as a spec part at least.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@Appletank8 I agree they should have had the option to be able to buy a MGU-H part for a cost

[@v4skunk739]

@@Appletank8 I agree 1000%.

[@hotshtsr20]

Porsche recently patented an E-turbo

[@BJWT1047]

It’s too complex to be retained. And muffles part of the exhaust note, (partially) hence why this era of engines sound so dull.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

How can the change the regulation when they are just 2 years away? The fact is Red bull is behind development and Mercedes and Ferrari both have their V6 ready and in Dyno. The 2026 Reg are Great and have technical freedom and Turbo lag. The weight concern is a joke or Red bull is really struggling. Honda, Ferrari Mercedes will also have next generation battery technology. Audi will use batteries developed by Rimac which is under the VW group. I am not going to mention which team but one of the 2 teams with V6 ready has their V6 engine 7KG lighter than their current engine. The batter tech that Rimac uses is 30% lighter than current batteries. So I am surprised that this is Horner's concern. Red bull want less electrical reliance because they have to develop that while they bought the IP of V6 from Honda.

[@VicCross]

I always ask, does the concern itself have merit. If the answer is yes, then it doesn't matter who raises that concern. If the answer is no, then is doesn't matter one way or the other. Winning teams wanting to keep winning? I am pretty sure this is the cornerstone of Formula 1. Teams work, scheme, whatever, to get the best lap times and results. Every team in the history of the sport has done this. No team has purposefully handicapped themselves to make the sport more "fair". What I think the teams need is more driver shakeup. There are drivers like Russell, Lando, Albon, Gasley, Ocon, who tend to get the maximum out of what they are given. Some like Lando and George, doing it better than most. But teams live with a deficit in terms of lap times for way too long IMO. And yes, the cars may suck. But that is al part of it now isn't it. Who can sit in that seat and tell the team EXACTLY what isn't working. Technology should never be more of a focus than the driver. Set the tech rules to not price anyone out of developing a good car. But the FIA and F1 needs to be very careful of not ruining the sport for the sake of some good publicity. Is a 50/50 split actually good for racing. Period. Is it or isn't it. If it isn't going to improve racing, then it isn't ready to be part of the sport.

[@MrUwphotography]

I'm shocked at the suggestion that Horner would not be sincere in his concern for the sport without regard to Red Bull. Shocked!

[@Pabig93]

"Certain teams share very similar opinions to that of our own." Let me guess, that certain team is Alpha Tauri?

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Maybe :)... I expect it to be sold soon

[@SD-mi2vc]

Yep

[@Ricksdetrix]

is it just me or is the idea of tactically downshifting (or someone trying to overtake you deciding not to to overtake, leaving them vulnerable later/next lap) an interesting strategical option?

[@kiko107]

Red Bull are starting to make a fuss because they're now not getting new engine manufacturing time like Audi, and Honda are making a return so at a chance could be the worst engine on the grid. they agreed to these rules months back, no-ones happy with the engine direction but this was decided months back. It's taken us like 5-10 years to work out where we're going for 2026 and after we get new interest from new engine manufacturers and now the toys are out of the pram.

[@BYTES305]

They killing the sport with the sustainability bullshit and electric its not making engine noise super wack

[@philipchouliaras5879]

F1 has been peaking in viewership and attendance the past 2 years so you are objectively wrong

[@prakharsrivastava4951]

I think horner is right to a certain degree, yes the aero and speeds are going to be a mess to sort out, but I personally feel the real reason why they are pushing is because of the fact that RB is scared of losing dominance, the best example for this is the fact that most teams here don't have any idea of an electric/hybrid road car and how to develop it. even ford only has 1 and that's a simple car. The only ones who have experience are Mclaren and Ferrari, so this could be something which tips in their favors

[@Batman22222]

Karen Horner and Robbery Champion Costcappen crying already??? 😂 Seems like RBPT without Honda is turning out to be Sh!t eh? 🤣💀

[@drfeelgood94]

Red Bull (just like Mercedes) love to cry. They've doing doing it for 9 years now too.

[@akshayyadavyoutube]

Everyone who's in a winning position cries. Except Ferrari of course. If they cry, they will be fired by Ferrari themselves.

[@fsplayedbyjulian]

if cars are at full throttle for 70 percent of a lap in most circuits , then this seems like a sensible ratio 70 percent ice 30 percent electric

[@jamiej75]

as much as people complain about the team deserving to be ahead because they've designed a great car, it's impossible to deny that some of the best seasons always follow new rules and regulations that significantly slow down the fastest team, 2021 was a great example

[@billgross7947]

I may be mistaken, but wasn't 2021 the last year of the old regulations?

[@HIYAharry]

2021 was the last year of the regs? Guessing you're trolling but I couldn't resist the bait

[@shreyass2447]

​@@HIYAharrybut the cost cap was introduced in 2021 and changes were made which slowed down mercedes considerably from 2020 and helped redbull catch up.

[@Chadabi]

2021 rules significantly slowed down Merc by reducing floor area guys stop being casuals he’s not trolling

[@HIYAharry]

@@Chadabi got it. I'm not sure about OPs comment though. The years after the new rules are domination by one team. 2009 (not too bad in the 2nd half), 2014, 2022

[@SuperfluousIndividual]

I mean, from all these arguments, I gather that the cars are gonna be designed, built and be driven according to the specifications/size/weight of the engine, batteries and it's need to be recharged. Those cars might really turn out to be actual frankensteins. Heavier, bulkier, slower, trickier and counter-intuitive to drive with automated aero that further reduces the control drivers will have over the vehicle they're supposed to race with. That can't be good, but we'll see how they turn out in 2026.

[@fqeagles21]

The fear of not being able to continue to dominate

[@Biggspeed]

Or is it possible that they're not too confident on Fords ability to provide electical help. I know I wouldn't. Ford has very poor electric technology and it quite far behind companies like Hyundai/Kia and Tesla. Horner is most likely not impressed with Fords technical involvement.

[@richcoburn6555]

I lean towards Mercedes' stance. any increase in batteries should be offset by removing the MGU-H and advances in battery power density (and thus a smaller lighter battery pack for the same amount of power). If the Chassis is made significantly smaller and therefore lighter and probably less induced drag, then this will further offset the power demands, so while it is definitely a challenge I don't think this is insurmountable. What I think is perhaps more worrying is will all the major manufacturers be able to overcome those challenges before 2026 - all fans want a competitive season, so there is a real risk that we will have another period of domination like Merc and now RB

[@adityawardanasujaya]

if only MGU-H isn’t too expensive to produce, i like it “now” because all manufacturers are getting closer on engine

[@valconir1619]

The start of Merc dominance era was started with Merc got an early start developing hybrid PU more so than any other manufacturers at that time in and outside of F1. RB for sure have a massive disadvantage being a very "Rookie" new comer engine manufacturer even with Ford on board. I would say It would be a miracle if they stayed in the Top 3 at the start of 2026 season. Regarding Max's complaining mostly about the active aero out of driver's control during the race can make it very difficult to drive with increase risk of conflict with driver's intent or malfunctioning just by slight damage is very valid

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

It's just a Ford battery -That should be a spec part anyhoo

[@Jt7166]

We don’t know the regs in full detail yet, but from what I’ve seen and read I can’t say I’m excited for the ‘26 regs as they stand now. I’m not understanding how these cars aren’t going to be significantly slower.

[@ElementsMMA]

RIP F1 1950 - 2025

[@purpleguy3000]

It feels like the new rules are the marketing department butting heads with what makes F1 fun. If the cars end up heavier again for the sake of bigger batteries then the rules are definitely going in the wrong direction

[@SilverScarletSpider]

simpler and lighter cars are better. less low energy density batteries and more engine power

[@cyan_oxy6734]

So when F1 is all about the engine it's unfair but when it's about aero it's fine? At least the engine development has some real world impact. Some aero parts designed around some specific rules are worthless outside of F1.

[@Adwnpinoy310]

I hate active aero

[@nosebleedpuddle]

Honestly, bringing in these new regulations for 2026 and the cars for me was a drastic change. We need stability in f1 for at least a 8 - 10 years. Let the mid field catch up and to have closer racing like we did in 2021, with McLaren and Ferrari showing up. This is just a knee jerk reaction and there are genuine concerns, though honestly Toto just wants to have his say and shit stir at every opportunity he can and quite frankly it's getting old.

[@halemmor]

Ever realise that there are 10 team bosses, but stories only ever really focus on the opinions of 2? I wouldn’t be so quick to label Toto or Christian the bad guy here; they just make for greater engagement and discussion. Clearly all 10 teams have signed off on the regs and the changes have brought in interest from other manufacturers.. I find it hard to believe that the regs are as horrible as we may think

[@stopitmike]

@@halemmor I appears they signed before hitting the sims.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@stopitmike Or maybe their sims suggest something different than RB's? Mercedes's were pretty confident that their sim data for their zero sidepod design was a slamdunk until it hit the track. Now RB is super confident their sim data suggests massive problems with the 2026 regs in spite of zero refinement or collab prototyping? Okay lol...cry about the whole quiz after hearing only part of the questions I guess.

[@greenlantern7959]

Formula E saw this at Portland. All the cars were lifting mid-straight to conserve energy. In Berlin it was awful because nobody wanted to lead. On the flip side, on a single-lap basis, it could enable someone to commit more battery to an overtake while a competitor might need to coast