What’s really going on with EV sales and sentiments in India | Podcast |

[@evoIndia]

Have any more questions? Have any stories about your EV ownership? Drop then in the comments below

[@krishnachandramenon8]

Still ev cars are a niche market in India, need 4c charging vehicles and infra. And good spot range, and also in a capital price comparable with ICE. Hybrid, hydrogen, aluminium etc are gimmick as they all are ICE with lower efficiency.

[@sachingirase3508]

Dear Mishra ji...It's not Puna/Poona, pls call it Pune पुणे

[@randomguy7175]

Insurance cost!?

[@VermaRajinder]

Bullshit ==== the problem is that most Guys in Apartments cannot install the Chargers !!! Apartments are not geared for EVs, EXACTLY how many guys have VILLAS ???

[@SagarKS]

Why is there not much emphasis on Plug in Hybrids, they are better than ICE & EV. A perfect combination of both.

[@gauravpatil9536]

Problem with ev is wrong expectations. 1. Dont buy for environment 2. Dont buy for cheap alternative 3. Dont buy tata ev for wrong range claims 1. Buy for best feel of automatic 2. Buy for silent driving 3. Buy for quick overtake 4. Buy if you can charge in your parking

[@theelectricmile474]

💯

[@fireinmyblood]

[@baapkastyle]

Also for saving on mileage costs if you are a heavy driver..

[@VermaRajinder]

@@gauravpatil9536 ... Absolutely Sir,, you are spot on !!! I am thrilled with my TATA TIAGO.EV I have done just 39,000kms with my 2008 Dzire ZXI and only 3000kms in 18 months with the Tiago but the Pleasure is unmatched !!! I am now looking to buy a Range Extended Flex Engine Fronx.ev next year !!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@gauravpatil9536]

@@tushtushar second point is dont buy for cheap alternative, its for running cost. Anyway vehical cost is not cheap.

[@shambhusreev]

I own a Harrier and Atto 3. I also do lot of highway drives. EVs are not only good for city drives but are good for Highways as well(especially where charging infra is good). One of the frequent drives i take is from Hyd to Palakkad which is around 1000kms. In Harrier it used to take around 17 hours and costs(fuel only) around 10K one way. In the Atto 3 it takes around 20 hours and costs around 5K. That is with fast chargers averaging around Rs21/KwH. Added to that, my harrier has been to service center a minimum of 7-10 times apart from regular services. However, the BYD has been only to service centre at prescribed interval. I have done 60K in total in Harrier in span of 4 years and 20K in Atto 3 in 1 year. If the EV is reliable I can see that becoming a first car for many. The only issue I worry is resale value. What would be their parameters to determine the resale value of an EV.

[@evoIndia]

So in your opinion currently EV and ICE are a trade-off between cost of overall ownership and convenience, given infra availability

[@roosekuriakose7910]

Can we travel from Hyderabad to cochin in an ev car without charge anxiety.. I am planning to buy XUV 400 soon..

[@PapaSierraGolf]

@@roosekuriakose7910yes. HYD to BLR TO COCHIN

[@roosekuriakose7910]

@@PapaSierraGolf I travelled many times from Hyderabad to Bangalore to cochin.. couldn’t find any charging stations in highway except Bangalore city. Are u from Kerala?

[@zomurani2587]

Sorry Sirish this didn't measure upto Evo India Standards. Rambling, unstructured and repetitive without clear conclusions.

[@theelectricmile474]

To have a real EV conversation, you need to own and live with an EV as a daily driver. Hard core petro heads talking EVs is like Android user reviewing Iphone 16

[@ArunMenon]

I agree. Came here looking for some useful insights, but this was so unstructured and disappointing.

[@abhishekvarma6461]

The main problem with ev for me is home charging... Half of apartments won't allow installing chargers for rented tenents... Now even if my current apartment allows it what will I do if change my home in future and they won't allow installing chargers

[@main_stream_media_is_a_joke]

Won't the charger be connected to the specific flat electric meter?

[@forever_momentss]

you can install 16amps 3pin plug and charge it overnight

[@7567_Rex]

you just need 15A plug point for charging EVs, make sure you communicate it properly to RWA that 1. You will hook it up to your own meter, not from common electricity 2. You will do so at your own cost 3. You will only want that the parking space is reserved to the particular flat number and put lockbox on your 15A socket

[@shankarbalan3813]

I was a naysayer on EVs. But after a lot of test driving and consultation with various friends and acquaintances I bought a Hyundai Kona EV - it was on a significant discount. And it is a superb car. I simply consider these as Alternative Fuelled vehicles and use mine accordingly. The cost of running Im seeing, over these last 6 months that I ve owned the EV, is only around 10-15% of the cost of running a petrol vehicle. And the acceleration and handling of my Kona is superb. Being a car made for EU Zone, the build quality is far far above the normal Hyundai vehicles that we Indians are used to.

[@7567_Rex]

Sad to see hyundai discontinue kona instead of brining facelifted model to compete with zs, then again, it may make more sense from factory pov to manufacture creta ev and creta ice on same line than make kona and creta separately

[@fireinmyblood]

bro how much did u pay on road for kona and when...

[@fireinmyblood]

@@7567_Rex true that, but i am secretly hoping Creta fails, cause car makers are not spending money on R&D for a pure EV and just taking out ICE engines and putting in batteries... the riding dynamic and handling, space management and design for EV is very different... the tata nexon for example, is ok for the driver and passanger, but in the back seat you get horrible road sickness... and if ppl buy the crete EV govt will stop giving EV discounts... so i believe this is the best time to buy an EV...

[@DeepakVarshney86]

Product is really great but very dated. I felt like sitting in Hyundai i20 initial launch vehicle when I sat in Kona!

[@fireinmyblood]

@@DeepakVarshney86 kona was a good vehicle but it was too expensive... why dont u check out the windsor...

[@pratapsalunkhe1310]

30 mins into the podcast & these two haven't yet discussed the real issues as to why demand for EVs has tapered.

[@evoIndia]

The overall EV sale has not so far slumped in India

[@VermaRajinder]

@@evoIndia ... Ask the Manufacturers to speed up the Flex Engine Range Extended Series EVs. That is the ONLY panacea for all INDIAN problems !!!

[@sutchak]

These 2 gentlemen have never owned an EV. Unfortunately they don’t have any real experience of EVs. Futile discussions

[@tushtushar]

Problems with Ev- 1. You just can't compare it with ICE vehicles. A 200 km range car is suitable for city drives and weekend nearby getaways. A 300 km range car can do most of what you want from a car. A 400km range like curvv ev will cover almost 98% of your real world usage scenarios. 2. U can't really know what an EV is untill you use one, for say 3-6 months or so. Then you will get to know, you can make it your primary car if real world range is 300km 3. Fast charging infra needs to develop more. I have seen tremendous increase in number of fast chargers within a year. Though now the challenge is that there are too many different apps to use those chargers.

[@fireinmyblood]

well said bro, but have u seen the curvv... Its criminally small, and feels exactly like nexon... and for 20-23lakhs is not worth it... the windsor is a better car at 13.5, but with the range of 300(400 is the mark which makes perfect sense to me too)... the app problem is also solved by MG, they have some ehub system, which shows all major charging in 1 app... Plus u always have home charging... i think slowly EV are making sense now...

[@VermaRajinder]

​@@fireinmyblood Problem is where & how can you install a charger in an Apartment ???

[@fireinmyblood]

@@VermaRajinder it's mandatory for the dealer to install charger at ur home... Additionally I have seen some people in Mumbai also installing charging stations there workplace

[@tushtushar]

@@fireinmyblood the Curvv is big on the outside and very small in the inside. That is what is stopping me from going for the Curvv. Even our old Honda brio is more spacious on the inside.

[@fireinmyblood]

@@tushtushar Bro i had a brio too... best car ever... fk thing just doesnt age

[@naveenbalineni235]

Too much fear mongering over EVs ....It's all abt the expectations. I am really happy with my EV.

[@tushtushar]

So true. I bought Tiago ev as my city car. And kept my old i20 as an outstation drive. 4 months into it, sold my i20, and planning to upgrade to higher range EV. Just can't think of going back to ICE. The cheaper running cost and that instant torque is so addictive.

[@forever_momentss]

same. happy with me zs

[@tushtushar]

@@forever_momentss I am seriously considering the ZS as an upgrade. How much is the real world range of ZS ev?

[@forever_momentss]

@@tushtushar anywhere from 330-380 . 380 if driven very carefully around 80kmph

[@forever_momentss]

@@tushtushar or you could go for tata curve which gives 380-420kms

[@arunkottolli]

EVs will take off when roof top solar becomes common. With roof top solar, running cost of EVs becomes nearly zero! Moreover cost of batteries is dropping 30% year on year. So with a deflationary price curve and free electricity with roof top solar, EVs are unbeatable!

[@7567_Rex]

Rooftop solar is no brainer, there is literally no disadvantage to solar -- idk why people have not bought solar yet. Even 5kW solar plant worth 3L is enough to cover electricity usage of entire house + EV charging govt should mandate that if your house has >1000sqft roof area (say) then you must have at least 5kW solar on the roof. Daytime energy needs can be covered by solar alone with zero coal zero hydro zero nuke if we have solar at every home, school, office and hospital

[@VermaRajinder]

@@7567_Rex ... Absolutely !!! 💯

[@arunkottolli]

@@7567_Rex 5KW solar capacity gives (nearly) free electricity for entire house plus 2EV cars and 2 scooters! It takes a mindset shift to move to solar. Surprisingly rural households are moving to solar faster than urban households

[@srini8701]

You need to have the right expectations. There is no better automatic than EV. Inside a city, my simple Tiago EV can whiz past all the ICE SUV in start stop conditions without using sport mode. Plus inside the city with house charging it is half the running cost of a Honda Activa (45kmpl vs less than 200 rupees for 200km range).

[@TheTwinPost]

My friend has been driving his TiagoEV for almost an year now and is really happy with what he expected vs what he's getting. His city commutes have become extremely cheap and it's a proper no-nonsense car. I drove his car for about 30 minutes and man the acceleration is addictive, no clutch in bumper to bumper traffic is really relaxing.

[@fireinmyblood]

good buy... hope it doesnt give any of the issues tata cars give over the long term...

[@srini8701]

@@fireinmyblood So far so good. But yes, fingers crossed :)

[@srini8701]

@@TheTwinPost Yes. It is a fun car. If Punch EV was available 1.5 years ago, I would have gone for that (higher range, more boot, better chassis, etc.). But not regretting my EV purchase.

[@benoeythomas3816]

Bro best solution for Hybrid is No PLI scheme for hybrid But for Petrol/ diesel GST is 28% For EV it is 5% For hybrid GST can be 12% this is best solution n sales goes up for hybrid cars

[@PrashantKumar-qq5vr]

Lekin ye tata aur Mahindra wale hybrid mei tax kam karne nhi denge

[@adarshabadrinath1304]

I would love to own a EV but my biggest concerns are 1. likelihood of battery prices dropping due to greater indigenization and 2. New technologies in battery, like sodium batteries crashing the prices and 3. New technologies soon replacing EVs like hydrogen based (perhaps more long term). Any counter thoughts?

[@babloovasu]

Let's say normally you keep a car for 15 years and after which is resale value is almost peanuts so even in case of ev if you use it for 15 years n say it has 0 resale value , but by that time you might have already saved atleast the amount of resale value of ice vehicle. Further to answer your questions about new battery technology , it will atleast take another decade for it to become mainstream, n hydrogen vehicles also it will take atleast 12-13 years to become mainstream. So yeah they come a few years before your 15 years if you buy an ev now so, it shouldn't be much of a concern u can buy a new n more reliable hydrogen vehicle or better battery tech then , n for sodium battery who knows maybe you can fit that battery into your current ev

[@neelraoraneraorane5756]

Fantastic one...should have discussed the actual environment impact with strong figures explaining ICE aren't that polluting...

[@evoIndia]

We hope you enjoyed watching the podcast. Thanks for the suggestion :)

[@rules436]

Battery rental/subscription may have GST added. Given that 5% GST, rental may have 18% as it's a service.

[@borkarms]

Great Podcast , an hour well invested. Didn't knew about a v16 . People will buy more evs if 1. No Range anxiety-The day car like a Tata safari charges for 500- 1000 kms in 10 minutes. Which means next Gen battery tech. 2. Govt needs to really invest in charging infrastructure. There should not be 1x but 10x charging points at each charging station that too working with an attendant like a petrol stn. 3. Like C type chargers which are universal in Mobiles , only the fastest of chargers should be mandated by law, also whether a car selling at 10 lakhs or 2 crores should have the same compatibility.There should not be any variation , only fastest DC chargers mandated by law. 4. Real estate developers should be mandated to have at least one charger for 5x flats, else penalized with taxes. For those developers who have projects running incentivise them to develop charging infrastructure by giving special tax waivers on next new project. Having said am a firm believer that Cars are Emotional Purchases , but Evs are lifeless , would never buy a EV despite all its advantages till there is no option left.

[@7567_Rex]

> 1. No Range anxiety-The day car like a Tata safari charges for 500- 1000 kms in 10 minutes. Ioniq 5 already charges in 18min for 500km, not that far. > 2. Govt needs to really invest in charging infrastructure. PM Edrive scheme will oversee installation of 22500+ fast chargers, there are already 5500+ fast chargers. Personally I don't think govt should get into any business like telecom etc, they should let pvt players handle it as PSUs are lazy and inefficient. Rather give the money to companies like JioBP, Tata power, statiq, chargezone, zeon, etc and see how fast EV infra builds. These brands made 5500+ chargers in last 5y, without govt support, imagine what they can do WITH subsidy > 3. Like C type chargers which are universal in Mobiles , only the fastest of chargers should be mandated by law, That is not an issue, all EVs use CCS2 which is same as cars in europe or africa or america. No variation, all cross compatible. > 4. Real estate developers should be mandated to have at least one charger for 5x flats, else penalized with taxes. yes, there should be hike in property tax by X% if hotel or restaurant or office does not have 50% parking spaces with chargers > but Evs are lifeless , would never buy a EV despite all its advantages till there is no option left. There is no car under 20L which is objectively fun to drive, all of them are econoboxes built to maximise mileage. EV has more performance at every price point, be it 10L tiago or 10cr rolls royce spectre

[@fireinmyblood]

excellent post... but i joining the EV side...

[@baapkastyle]

EV cars are no fun, agreed. But what's the alternative? It's not like the EVs are replacing Mustangs, 340i's or Ford Raptors. The EVs in India are replacing a Creta, Nexon and Sedate boomer Sedans. They are already uncle type in power, dynamics with no signature exhausts.. With EVs, we may as well save money in Oil Imports, save a bit of climate and enjoy good mileage..

[@baapkastyle]

​@@7567_RexAbsolute valid points all of them. The EVs are no fun rhetoric is comic gold. It's as if we are trading our Golf GTs, Nissan Patrols or Lambos with those signature exhausts 😂😂

[@evoIndia]

Thank you for your views :)

[@vittalshenoy]

BYD E6 owner for 10 months. I bought this car because Hycross had 18 months waiting period. I don't regret the decision one bit. The car is great, has the best battery tech in the world today. I am only worried about how to drive 5 lac kms in 8 years :) , that's the battery warranty on the car by the way...

[@evoIndia]

Do you also have an ICE vehicle on the side?

[@vittalshenoy]

@@evoIndia yes, I have. To be frank it's driven hardly 500 kms after the EV came, while the EV has already clocked 12K kms. We have started long trips also on EV.

[@babloovasu]

Waiting till year end to buy an ev for better discounts cos I don't think 7lakhs stock will be sold in these 2 months , what would your take be @evoIndia

[@mangalmurtibhosale]

what if the battery charge reduces to 50% (permanent) then MG would replace the battery?

[@evoIndia]

If you are a first owner and have availed their maintence program, then MG says it is a no questions asked warranty on the battery

[@abhijitkundu1879]

Yes Santosh Sir has and had and still evolving with reality what marketing automotive culture is pretending and their trending pattern that is why German’s still today Mercedes,BMW,Audi,Porsche were the best in class segment 🌹❤️

[@elainshah1425]

Already subsidy on electric charging at home is gone in Mumbai I have electric charger which on the bill shows rs 5 and something as per unit charges but the fixed charges and other charges willing charges are so high that finally the per unit cost of charging an electric car is equivalent or even sometimes higher than your home electricity bill😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@fireinmyblood]

brother, why are you comparing with ur domestic Bill... i just sat and did the maths, even @ Rs20 per kwh(home charging rates should 8-10), the cost is about rs2 per km... where as ICE is Rs10.... how much every ur bill is, its min. 5 times less than filling petrol...

[@elainshah1425]

@@fireinmyblood in the video they were discussing regarding subsidies rate on home charging for electric vehicle approximately one year I enjoyed subsidized rates but from few months the rates have gone up equal to our home charges roughly 13 rupees or rs 12 per unit

[@fireinmyblood]

@@elainshah1425 brother, its good u got subsidy, but thats not meant till u die... i told u, EVEN u PAY 20 rupee PER unit its still 1/5 the price of petrol car... If u are still crying, ur only option is standing in CNG lines... for ur same Rs 2000 bill, ur petrol car bill would be "Rs 10,000"...

[@elainshah1425]

@@fireinmyblood brother it's not about crying see the full video they are discussing regarding subsidy on electric charges at home they don't know or they are unaware about the normal charges on electric charging at home in future but at present we are paying normal electric charges for vehicle charging nowhere in the comment I compared with petrol or diesel car if it would be so then never would I have purchased a electric vehicle the discussion is regarding subsidy on electric charging at home and not about comparison from diesel or petrol car to electric vehicle

[@fireinmyblood]

@@elainshah1425 ok understood... just remember subsidies are not meant to be permanent... MG is also offering free unlimited charging for Windsor... but its only for the first year... i just want you to be happy... ur electricity bill is very very very low compared to what 98% ppl have to pay for commuting... take pride in that...

[@AdityaShettyheroishere]

While the BaaS may not be very economical, my ownership with an EV has been phenomenal. Over the last 19 months I have driven 34k kms 95% in city. My savings is upwards of 1.5L already. Used to spend about 15k a months on my ICE car while with my EV I spent about 1800/-. Home charging and city use. Is a delight and so good on the pocket

[@rahulathsr]

The fundamental thing about any technology that replaces the existing technology is that it is better in every aspect. for eg: the transistor replacing the tubes, steam engine replaced by internal combustion engines etc etc Now when you look at EV technology, Its not actually better than the outgoing ICE in terms of range, or charging times, passenger comfort due to increased floor height etc… so unless you address these things, don’t expect EV sales to outpace ICE sales… massive RND must be going into battery tech, as that is the single most crucial aspect that address the challenges faced by EV.

[@7567_Rex]

> Its not actually better than the outgoing ICE in terms of range, Curvv EV and ZS EV easily get 400km range and their ICE models have similar range 40L x 10kmpl = 400km Further, 99% cars are used inside city and only 1% cars go on highway as per NHAI stats on toll collection > or charging times, You charge EV overnight at home for daily commute, it is in fact saving time as you don't have to go to petrol pump and stand in queue while idling and wasting fuel > passenger comfort due to increased floor height etc… Not an issue in Born EV platforms like BYD atto3 or MG Windsor. In future more Born EV models will also come from tata, mahindra, hyundai, msil etc. > so unless you address these things, don’t expect EV sales to outpace ICE sales It is perception issue also, people equate ev = gay, no charging infra (5500+ fast chargers are there + 99% time you need just home charger)

[@fireinmyblood]

@@7567_Rex "ev = gay"... i thought that a few months back... EV is clearly the future now...

[@Raveendhana]

​@@7567_Rexeasily 400kms is ok for a city user , but what about a highway user at 90-100 Plus what does a ev gives a consumer if he wants to keep his car for 10-15 years, How much will a battery cost after 10 years, means to get a new battery ? You would say that new battery cost is better than what I pay for the fuel the whole time , but still a one time like 5 lakhs is worse than paying for fuel now and then 😂

[@7567_Rex]

@@Raveendhana ev will last for 200-300K km easily before batttery needs replacement For that much time, you have saved 13-14L on fuel cost, even if you have to scrap car it is net profit for driver Secondly 400km range is enough for highway trip also, there are 5500+ fast chargers in India You have to stop just 2 times for 1000km trip once at 350km second at 700km The number of people who are doing 1000km trip is very rare

[@Raveendhana]

@@7567_Rex i hardly have three stations between chennai to trichy road , and only one DC and which my uncles nexon don't support Plus if i do 90-110 with constant overtaking it hardly gives me 200 -250 Plus already with heavy traffic it takes me 8hrs , and my cousins mg does his trip to cochin at 20hrs and 4-5 hrs more than his harrier So get yours facts right

[@kaushlendratripathi7984]

No incentives for Hybrid vehicles - the framework of low GST is only for E vehicles

[@raghuramakrishnabezawada6120]

35kwh - 50kwh is cost effective cost band but, C rate should not be less than 1.4, Waiting time while charging will be minimum. AND active cell balancing.

[@vineetlele1489]

1) at least luxury vehicles should be selling in good nos., anyways these vehicles daily commute is less. 2) luxury vehicles don't get much of a resale value, too bad situation for petrol ones 3) i feel like Mercedes-Benz India should increase EV sales, am sure they will find more buyers

[@Supermonkey980]

Am using a nexon Ev max 2022. Till now no hustles. Very minor issues. Ease of driving, low cost of maintenance, low running costs. As I am from Kerala, the charging networks are really, even tho some chargers fail to work at times. I was planning to get the BYD e6, then the new upadates one will come within a month. But am planning to wait for a little more while. Because Tata harrier Ev is coming which will be having AWD / 4X4 version which will easy clock 600-700 kms ( 500 real life ) or I can go the 2024 models if I wait for 2025 jan. Let’s see

[@fireinmyblood]

get the EV6, if u can afford it, it will be 100times better than the harrier... Tata has horrible track record of post sale services of elctronic parts...

[@evoIndia]

Thank you for sharing

[@Supermonkey980]

@@fireinmyblood sorry my friend, I meant the BYD e6. Not ev6. My mistake. I think Ioniq 5 way better than KIA EV6.

[@Reddylion]

Too many oil mafia fellows spreading negativity about battery fire, safety, resale, driving enthusiasm, range, charging infrastructure and so on. IGNORE them all oil mafia. EV only. But range anxiety isn't funny, which will be eased in upcoming EVs.

[@7567_Rex]

true, lot of misinformation being spread by people with conflict of interest like people working in Oil PSU or petrol pump workers/owners, even service centres are opposed to EV in west as they lose money from servicing and spare parts which EV need very rarely etc

[@Reddylion]

@@7567_Rex absolutely true..... So many are attached to oil mafia, service center fellows, engine oil manufacturers, air filter makers, fuel filter makers , so many other components involved in ICE component makers all are big bad lobby against simplicity and less service, low tyre wear and tear. Due to regen, brakes lasting long, ease of driving in horrible traffic. Simple and best PMS motor.

[@fireinmyblood]

spot on...

[@kayuzx510]

range is the only problem, i hoped cloudEV will come with bigger battery pack... very disappointed with BAAS

[@fireinmyblood]

Bhai, Windsor is the indian name of Cloud EV... they have used only the 38kwh battery to keep the price low... true Baas doesnt make a lot of sense, but for ppl with a fixed income and a tight budget of 10 lakhs(govt employees) it will work out same as a 3.5lakh car loan... seems ok

[@nayakh]

If you are majorly doing city drive and have a fixed parking where a home charger can be installed, EVs are suitable.. else go for an ICE variant. Unfortunately, no one talks about the quality of the automatic ride, no sound inside the car, less impact on brakes due to regenerative braking, etc. Personally, I am happy that many people are not buying EVs. Else there will be huge queues near charging stations.

[@evoIndia]

Which is why we stressed on the need for home charging infra. Also, the current public charging infra is quite under utilised as per the data

[@billubadshah897]

2nd Ev at 40% Discount and Useage of 20,000 Km is IT "A Great Buy "🎉

[@pixelirk]

Govt needs to solve for the consumer and the environment, not for the manufacturer

[@blackbirds1440]

Unfortunately no govt ever looked for the interest of the consumer. However setting the infra and easing home/public charging solutions should be looked by the govt.

[@fireinmyblood]

Bhai u work for the govt... the Govt doesnt work for u... lol...

[@yashc30]

Done almost 50,000 km in our ZS EV and we are already looking for a 2nd EV to replace our other Petrol car Problem with our country is we do not accept new technologies very soon. It took so many years to understand Automatics in cars. EVs are a whole new thing

[@vikram1262]

Fully agree. The North Indian plains are filled with idiots who still buy Wagon Rs And scorpios for bhaukaal

[@TheSujanroy]

Sireesh, I love EVs and have been using a GAC Aion Y last 3 months. In the meanwhile my Hexa has been parked last 3 months that I have been abroad. Do that with an EV and the battery will get bricked! There's also the simple problem of progressively falling resale values for EVs. Imagine if you bought a Nexon EV in the first bunch of customers and now you have a new Nexon 45 kwh @ ₹13.99. What happens to my resale values?

[@abhijitkundu1879]

Well Sirish Sir as far as EV’s are concerns the binary digit numbers will not hog or slowdown if the infrastructure of the whole economic conditional India 🇮🇳 is not improving till them it will go and deep down and if it rise then it be only possible if the infrastructure are in commendable positions then apart from European Geological economy Asian economy Lal also come in a stagnant and stable positions ❤️🌹

[@adityas.momentsoftravel]

Hybrid is the way forward especially for a market like India. At 5oth minute please make shorts and reels to make it viral please ....enlighten the wisdom of people. As the legend has said EV= White Goods

[@abhijitkundu1879]

Well as far as EV’s marketing trend is concern Harley is very much keen into introducing and developing EV motorcycles so do Royal Enfield guys are very much in DIY but the project till then is been parked for sum products which ll be emerging as a whole and for survival as a whole for community inhalers 🌹❤️

[@atorbtech]

A of the negativity wud have ended in India had Tata enforced better quality control.

[@blackbirds1440]

Provision of chargers in Apartment parkings should be forced down upon builders by the govt. This is the single problem preventing 70% of the fence sitters in metro cities.

[@evoIndia]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! You make a valid point about the importance of charging infrastructure in residential areas. Encouraging builders and developers to include EV chargers in apartment parking spaces could indeed help accelerate EV adoption in metro cities. We hope to see more progress in this area with future policies and regulations.

[@Sheela9999]

Delta u have missed -- ice vehicle i am loosing 50 percnet in taxes so delta in ev is higher ,we are getting more car for the buck

[@7567_Rex]

how does it matter, at end of day you have to compare what you actually pay not what the manufacturing cost is

[@Sheela9999]

@@7567_Rex that's what I am comparing ediot

[@fireinmyblood]

well out...

[@Sheela9999]

@@7567_Rex that’s what I am saying , u r getting more bang for the buck

[@Sheela9999]

@@fireinmyblood ev is the future and sooner the competition is there prices will fall further and companies will come out of far margins

[@johnpep2007]

Battery rental doesn't work..One should listen to ather CEO interview... Car or bike purchase is not the most rational purchase... Ather tried doing battery rental and it failed miserably

[@abhijitkundu1879]

Solution is one NEW’s to find sumthin extra alternatives that can be squeeze well to grind and then blend into cumulative auto world culture is replacing all fuel stations to EV stations then it will grow without any hassles or barrier otherwise the disruptions will continue 🌹❤️🌹❤️

[@Sheela9999]

Buy back offers are ridiculous as 45000 kms in 3 years is ridiculous -- we need realistic buyback more options like extended warranty as per kms to undertand realistic value

[@Evolution_Tamil]

Ev drive is definitely better than cng cars😅

[@Reddylion]

CNG yuk.

[@kgk6076]

The first thing is to remove the wrong promotion numbers 1. Why does company need to introduce test range of 300km while practical range is 230-240km. Every Indian EV buyer knows the test range is of no value and what is value is real world range? Consumer feels EV manufacturer is not honest and transparent 2. Resale value. Indians compare EV resale as Mobile resale after usage of 5 years. Absolutely depreciated and no value unlike ICE engines. 3. Range drop with years. Indians compare mobile battery with Car EV battery. Everyone feels the mobile cannot hold much charge after 4 years and so does an EV car would have far below range after 5 years 4. Battery warranty period is no doubt an assurance period. After the warranty, EV owners need to shell a minimum of 60000 to 90000 which blows the whole saving equation. Hopefully the BaaS of MG solves this 5. There is no fill it, shut it, forget it. Charging a battery is time consuming. For Just In Time and Tactical Life situations EV is not a life saver and infact a burden. Imagine its 10:30PM, a depleted EV battery and you have an emergency situation at home to take an elder to a hospital and you are not confident on 10%-15% charge remaining. Waiting for Ola, Uber or Auto is an inconvenience. Situations demand these tactical /rapid response needs. 6. ECO Friendly ?? Not really when all the smoke is at Thermal Plant generating electricity to charge the battery. Also no EV manufacturer educates consumer on how batteries would be recycled. 7. Beyond all these are viral videos showing battery smoke and explosions Address all these and educate Indians well. Then may be EV is an option

[@main_stream_media_is_a_joke]

Is the present generation really thinking of constantly replacing/upgrading their cars every 5 years? Are we taking the worst of the US and ok with paying loans till the end?

[@7567_Rex]

> 1. Why does company need to introduce test range of 300km while practical range is 230-240km. Every Indian EV buyer knows the test range is of no value and what is value is real world range? Consumer feels EV manufacturer is not honest and transparent Tata is now giving C75 range number ie 75% owners will hit the given range as per the test. Range and mileage testing is done by ARAI, not brands themselves, so it is ARAI to blame. Anyway, C75 range is tested at 120kmph speed so it should be accurate (is very much accurate in my case of nexon EV) > 2. Resale value. Indians compare EV resale as Mobile resale after usage of 5 years. Absolutely depreciated and no value unlike ICE engines. 3. Range drop with years. Indians compare mobile battery with Car EV battery. Everyone feels the mobile cannot hold much charge after 4 years and so does an EV car would have far below range after 5 years Due to lack of awareness, people think EV battery will last only 3y like mobile so nobody wants it, you are equally guilty in spreading unnecessary misinformation battery life is in cycles, avg car used for 50km per day will take one whole week to consume entire battery ie 1 cycle, LFP is rated for 3000cycles, even if you get half the cycles ie 1500 and 200km range instead of 300km, you can still use same battery for 300K km How many people use same car for 300K km? We have 2 nexon EV which have crosssed 160K km in 4y, one at 187K and another at 201K km. Both people are using original brakes and tyres on their car, still their car gives same range as day 1, no range drop. By the time a driver covers 300K km they have saved almost 15-16L in fuel cost and another 2-3L in servicing cost of vehicle Even if they need to scrap the car or replace battery, they are in net saving > 5. There is no fill it, shut it, forget it. Charging a battery is time consuming. For Just In Time and Tactical Life situations EV is not a life saver and infact a burden. Imagine its 10:30PM, a depleted EV battery and you have an emergency situation at home to take an elder to a hospital and you are not confident on 10%-15% charge remaining. Waiting for Ola, Uber or Auto is an inconvenience. Situations demand these tactical /rapid response needs. The thing is that when you have even 50% EV penetration, even you office parking (and home parking by default) will have slow charger at least. Drive from home to office and put on slow charge (1kW) then come home put on charge again (3kW) So the situation where you are low on charge is not going to happen in first place. > 6. ECO Friendly ?? Not really when all the smoke is at Thermal Plant generating electricity to charge the battery. QUESTION : IS HYBRID CLEAN OR NOT? EV is just a hybrid with the dirty engine pushed outside the city far from population centre. only 60% energy comes from coal, 40% is renewable, which is even better than hybrid which has like 10% power from electric and 90% from engine. > Also no EV manufacturer educates consumer on how batteries would be recycled. Firstly there is no need to recycle, "reuse" comes before recycle in 3Rs, and you can use EV battery as backup power or in other ICE to EV conversions. Most of tesla model S batteries are used this way only, there is not even a need of having high recycling capacity Also, again you are spreading misinformation, tata has tieup with tata chemicals and MG has tieup with LOHUM and ATTERRO for recycling so pls research before spouting bs in comments > 7. Beyond all these are viral videos showing battery smoke and explosions AS IF ICE CARS NEVER CATCH FIRE. ICE CARS CATCH FIRE MORE OFTEN THAN EVs EVEN IF YOU COUNT ON PER 1000 CARS METRIC

[@fireinmyblood]

@@7567_Rex most detailed and well informed reply i read yet... Brother the only point you didnt address is the, rare family emergency case...

[@7567_Rex]

@@fireinmyblood I did when EVs are even 50% market share, almost all office and parking space will have at least slow charger so when you drive from home to office, put car to charge again, and after coming home, again charge Even if office doesn't have charger, it is not like the office is 200km away from home so the battery will be empty when you come back home, it will be plenty even at that time, say it is 50km total daily usage, you will still have 75% battery which is more than enough for emergency further, 25% battery can be charged in 2h at home, come from office, by time you finish dinner, car is also fully charged. I do same, I put to charge in evening after office, by dinner time it is charged again

[@kgk6076]

@benkennobi4883. Very good response. I wonder why no automotive channels cover all that you have mentioned. I do not want to promote misinformation but this is what an average consumer / common man thinks. They compare it with their everyday objects and experiences. I wish the EV salesmen are well educated on this topic as they are the last mile influencers. I still wonder why big diesel generators are not replaced in the buildings with powerful batteries to handle power cuts when buses are EV powered. I again guess it’s the response or recovery time to full potential after a use. Electrification is the way no doubt. But would the energy required to mine rare earth metals to make a battery worth it? May be that is the reason EVs are expensive as they need to account all the costs. But I am sure battery tech would improve year upon year. India promotes EV so that oil imports are reduced and we as citizens completely agree with that viewpoint. But using EV requires a certain amount of planning and discipline unlike owning an ICE engine.

[@shriharikulkarni07]

I'm just waiting for nano / alto EV for city usage

[@Strongh1980]

Keep waiting. Maruti will wake up after 100 years.

[@evoIndia]

Maruti does plan its EVX launch next year

[@AjeethRajesh]

@@evoIndia aren’t they also working on the Hustler EV?

[@AjeethRajesh]

Consider the Comet, seems like that’s exactly what you’re looking for

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

just want to buy a Windsor EV with battery & drive home like we do when buying a brand new IC car . . . MG installs the charger in my house garage . . . all i need to know can I buy the Windsor EV like a normal ICE car . . . if not I'll opt for ICE . . .

[@forever_momentss]

yes

[@7567_Rex]

yes, for direct purchase of Windsor is 13.5L-15.5L

[@fireinmyblood]

i did the math... the base varient works out to 13.5+1lakh = 14.5 onroad... end of story, no BAas and all... tell me 1 other car(automatic) better at that price point...

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

@@fireinmyblood i still don't know how much will the Windsor EV cost including registration & insurance . . . anymore payment after delivery . . . i don't know . . .

[@fireinmyblood]

@@chandrachurniyogi8394 read the last post... 14.5 including everything... end of story... i am personally buying the top varient... it gives a faster AC charger(7.4kw) free and Moon roof...

[@shashankmishra3988]

Tiago ev standing in service Center from more than 50 days, because battery need to be changed, it’s huge time .still not sure when I will get my car back.😢

[@fireinmyblood]

tata is abusing too many customers... i had book a tata recently, but i couldnt sleep at night from nightmares of service... i cancelled the Curvv next morning...

[@shashankmishra3988]

@@fireinmyblood kindly mail to tata customer care, because of service issue you have cancelled tata curve

[@fireinmyblood]

@@shashankmishra3988 i already filling up a feedback form prior to cancellation

[@vineetlele1489]

What am more interested instead of assured buyback program within/after 3 years in BAAS module - will MG replace old battery with new & continue the BAAS again. Now this would be a game changer (am positively hoping) than giving away entire car, even MG won't have to track the vehicle condition under it's compulsory maintenance program.

[@evoIndia]

The assured buyback is not mandatory, you can keep the car and continue with the BaaS program for as long as you like. If the vehicle develops an issue under your ownership, then the warranty comes into play

[@cadas3k]

You were wrong in multiple ways. 1. When discussing resale value after so many years, you never thought about money saved in those many years. 2. When discussing about Govt increasing Electricity cost in future, you never discussed that in future people generate their own electricity. 3. On taxing electricity, it need not be only at the user end but through out supply chain with input credit as it is manufactured locally. So they will anyway make handsome money

[@evoIndia]

1. Resale value is generally considered a separate aspect of a vehicle ownership 2. Even if that becomes a reality, the scale of people generating their own electricity would be so low that it cannot be applied for an industry metric 3. Sorry, we did not understand this point of yours

[@cadas3k]

@@evoIndia Fossil fuel is taxed at gas station mostly. It does not produce much job opportunity as well, except for low end ones. On the other hand, even if 50% is replaced by electricity ($75 Billion), it can open up a huge manufacturing opportunity, from solar panels, to installation kits to energy storage and servicing. This will generate taxing opportunity at each level including income tax generation. So, losing on Petrol / Diesel tax is nothing compared to this.

[@cadas3k]

On 2, by people I meant local community. Very near in future, there will be no centralised electricity generation. It will be micro grids. Most tech companies, data centres work with this model. They are almost nearing Net Zero even as it stands today.

[@MakwanaYash.]

Charging infrastructure is the biggest challenge out there.

[@sureshkumar-qi6cz]

What happens in case of EMI defaults ? Any bank manager will tell you that the percentage of people who repay their loans promptly is as low as 30 to 40 .

[@vmadugun]

For 2 wheelers, where range is not a concern given they are primarily meant for short city commutes, it is just a matter of time for the manufacturers to start rolling out new 2 wheelers, be it scooters or bikes. For 4 wheelers, range is still the primary concern for most of the people who can only afford to keep a single car. Not just that, even charging at home is a concern for many today given many apartments still do not have the wherewithal to charge in the parking space. And also many 4 wheeler EV aspirants are still waiting for the EVs built from ground up on skateboard architecture, rather than ICE platforms modified to fit the EV tech in.

[@vmadugun]

I was posting from my perspective, where I live in my own home. But it looks like many people who stay on rent, they are often in two minds to buy an EV, as the flat owner either does not allow to install a charger, or there is one but does not suit the tenants EV, or when they change the flat their options are limited with flats allowing to home charge. So there is a lot more complexity involved given many people in cities live in rented homes.

[@fireinmyblood]

MG windsor is Ground up skateboard arch EV... there will never be a ICE Windsor...

[@vmadugun]

​@@fireinmybloodRight I know Windsor is a ground up EV, but not many others in the market right now.

[@fireinmyblood]

@@vmadugun true but i need a vehicle now, i cant wait for another year... also by next year when EV become mainstream the Govt will restart applying the RTO(2.5lakhs) on EVs...they have already stopped the subsidies for domestic 4 wheelers... i think its the best time to get one...

[@vmadugun]

​​@@fireinmybloodwell, for me in Hyd, we get slapped with 14 percent road tax on EVs as well 😊. The top end Windsor is 18.7 lacs in Hyd

[@abhijitverna]

Ev lobby in us forcing to transfer evs dispite of problams of evs

[@evoIndia]

As a consumer, you have both ICE and EV options in the market

[@SurendranNambiath]

Man! Would be a better idea to have 30-minute Podcasts instead of hour-long ones!! Have a Part 1 & 2, if required!!

[@evoIndia]

Sure, thank you for the feedback

[@jayeshpathade8320]

I cannot imagine living with comets road noise in the cabin. Not sure if it is a good option. You need noise cancellation headphones in there.

[@fireinmyblood]

haha, true... if money is not a problem than comet doesnt make sense as a primary car... otherwise g8t second car or excellent for young first owners with small daily commutes...

[@evoIndia]

Good point. It is likely that people who have experienced high quality cars, will not enjoy the road noise. But for many migrating to a car from the budget segments, this may be a practical option

[@TheTwinPost]

10k kms per year comes down to 833 kms per month but minimum emi for battery is 5,250 (for 1500 kms per month). So 63,000 rupees per year for battery + 10,640 rupees for home charging. 73,640/- per year for 10,000 kms assuming you won't go more than 1,500 kms any month because then it'll be +5250 rupees for that month. Lot's of ifs & buts with this EV - And it shouldn't be so complicated.

[@fireinmyblood]

its not as complicated... different Financiers have made these to cater to different customers... if u go with Vidyout, u pay as u run, but ur rate of interest is higher... if u dont want any of that, the Costs 3.5lakhs, factor that into buying vehicle...13.5lakhs Vehicle is still better than any other EV offering... Name 1 vehicle better ICE(automatic) or EV at 13.5...

[@TheTwinPost]

@@fireinmyblood That's the ex-showroom price of base variant. If that's the benchmark then Creta 11, Seltos 10.9, Elevate 11.73, Kushaq 10.89, Taigun 11.7, Grand Vitara 10.8, Hyrider 11.14....All cost less. Even a ScorpioN starts at 12.9 lakhs. It's not like there are no good ICE options at that price point. NexonEV right now is available with 3 lakhs discount which takes its 300 kms true range variant with all features down to 13 lakhs On-road.

[@fireinmyblood]

@@TheTwinPost have u seen the break down of on road price of an EV... Its ex showroom+1lakh.. zero RTO... and those varients u mentioned are base models at 15-16lakh "manual", they dont even come with music system... and u still havent answered which "AUTOMATIC" is available at 14.5 lakhs "ONROAD" at same price...

[@TheTwinPost]

@@fireinmyblood Talking about EV purely currently NEXON's Creative 13.27, Fearless 14.11 & Fearless+ 14.63 variants cost less than 14.5 (except fearless+). Also, have you seen what the MG is offering with their base variant that will cost 14.5 supposedly, they have only showcased their top variant to the media till now. Let's wait and see how many features are there in that 14.5 L variant.

[@fireinmyblood]

@@TheTwinPost finally u have 1 answer, "Nexon creative"... the MG base varient is available on the MG site for rendering for the past 3 week... the detailed features provided are there in the brochure also released on first day... forget Creative varient the NExon top fearless+ is nowhere close to the base varient.. WHY do u think tata slashed prices immediately after launch by 3 lakhs still cant compete... and are you comparing TATA cars fit and finish with MG? are you comparing TATA cars reliability, boot space, comfort, suspension ,handling, ride quality? i can say all this because i had booked tata curvv and was test driving all tata vehicles to find a good fit... the FK tata nexon Fearless+ DCA broke down in the FK showroom... i still cant believe that...i cancelled my booking next morning... and i am not talking purely EV and automatic at the same price point.. i have been look and drive all cars... min. start in the 16lakh bracket...

[@Sheela9999]

Plugin with 30-40 kw battery pack is the future for india.

[@blackbirds1440]

You know 30-40 kw capacity evs are heavier than ICE vehicles. Now you want a ICE engine with a 30-40 kW battery capacity. Think about the weight and cost penalty. Hybrids are just playing on our anxieties. There is no real benefit interms of efficiency and environment with hybrids, especially for India.

[@Reddylion]

Hybrids maybe oK, but definetly not for me. Hybrid with 16 to 18 kWh max 25 anything more than that, ditch usel..ss hybrid . EV only for me.

[@putaamit]

Can't be cost of dual drive systems will be make them very expensive

[@DeepakVarshney86]

The only challenges with EV and the whole infra around it are as following: 1.The reliability of Tata Nexon EVs is seriously under question. They have SOC drops, DTE drops and most famously HV Critical Alert. The just jeopardises the confidence of an Owner 2.Service Network is still with Tata Motors. The SCs are so relaxed and lazy, the work never happens on time. 3.The charger numbers have increased significantly in last 2 years, but their upkeep, probability of being faulty is also very high, so maintenance of these charges is also needed.

[@evoIndia]

Since you are specifically talking of Nexon, yes the earlier Nexons have had issues. So far we haven't heard issues with the new Nexon though.

[@DeepakVarshney86]

@@evoIndia let them get older bro, HV alerts and soc drops are never leaving the TML EV ecospace. BTW has TML done anything different in new Nexon's battery tech and BMS ?

[@nagmonme]

Many two wheeler companies have implemented BAAS already.. nothing new

[@benoeythomas3816]

For Windsor EV, is it mandatory that v should pay for 1500 km per month ie 1500 X 3.5 evdn though if v drive only for 750 km every month? In above scenario, v will end up loss sof 750 X rs 3.50 per month sir? Kindly repky

[@theelectricmile474]

Buy Windsor EV outright stating 13.5L.Baas is nonsense

[@vmadugun]

Forget all that BaaS complexity. Compare it with just taking a regular loan of 3.5 lacs :-) , which costs you like 11,000 Rs as EMI for 3 years loan duration. And then car is fully yours including battery.

[@declionshah]

The balance kms does transfer to next month that's what mg told me

[@evoIndia]

You have a few finance companies to choose from out of which some have a clause of minimum 1500km and some have a clause of pay for how much you drive which means that you pay only for the amount of km you have driven. If you pick Bajaj Finance or Hero Finance for instance, then you have to pay for 1500km/month even if you have driven less.

[@KR_roy]

I am using EV car , had been to office then got a family emergency call from out station . Then i have to borrow my friends car to travel immediately. EV are for pllanned travels . Its no so reliable options . Bettet to go for hybrids

[@fireinmyblood]

If u have family emergency everyday dont buy a EV... the very term emergency mean it should not occur regularly meaning ur tripped can be planned... a regularly occuring emergency is just the new normal... Also in that case u could have got a Cab, for a one off situation... India doesnt have a proper plug in hybrid yet and those require home charging as well... its a no win situation... i am sorry for ur family emergency sir, but we cant live our lifes just waiting for that rare emergency...

[@KR_roy]

@@fireinmyblood While I understand your viewpoint, it's frustrating to hear that my family emergencies are dismissed as something I should simply ignore. Life is unpredictable, and we can’t plan for every situation. Not everyone has the luxury of always having a cab available. It's disappointing that you think we should just adapt to a 'new normal' without considering individual circumstances. Plus, with the current lack of charging infrastructure in India, relying solely on an EV becomes even more challenging. Reliable transportation is essential, and your perspective feels dismissive of real challenges people face

[@fireinmyblood]

@@KR_roy i can understand ur position and i also sympathized with ur situation in my last comment... beyond that sir, this platform is to discuss the practicality of the product at hand... And most of the people here agree that, these evs will fulfil 98% of all our daily requirments... i dont want to give any further analogies cause i feel u are getting a lil emotional... i pray god gives u the strength in these trying time and the ability to move forward... cars and all can wait for later...

[@fireinmyblood]

as of today, the only problem with EV(after the launch of windsor), is the range... Windsor with a real world range of 400 km would have been a milestone... even on long trips, say after a 300 km stretch, one could stop for refreshments once ... but if anyone is planning a 1000 km trip or something, why dont u just take a flight and rent a EV @ ur destination... vacation should be fun, not a pointless and endless labor spend on the highways...

[@Evolution_Tamil]

U expecting 400km range from 13.5lac car... U have to compare it with punch... It looks like car for Lang range because of the sofa seats but for this price point its a better car

[@7567_Rex]

true, even train is good upto 1000km, beyond that save your time and money and go for flight

[@Raveendhana]

​@@7567_Rexthe point you are missing here is , for example if I want to take a VB to my native I have to book it 2-3 weeks before to even get it confirmed and most of the other trains are full most times, plus the bus is equivalent to me taking my own car , so sorry I can't afford a fight every time as it double costly .

[@RanjeetMD]

If one is buying EV just because running cost is low then be careful unless you have your own home with solar panels installed. EV meters may be feeling cheap as of now but at the end of the day its your electricity board/provider and governments who decide the unit rates and rates always increase. CNG is the best example. Push people to go green and then increase prices comparable to that of petrol and bear the inconvenience of loosing trunk space, long queues, short supply etc. as well.

[@fireinmyblood]

EV have there batteries installed below the cabin, so boot space is not a issue... new WIndsor is offering 600L boot.. the cost of electricity is true, but wat is the alternate... will the govt reduce price of petrol, its already crossed 100... Plus the transport minister has clearly stated that they want to ban Diesel immediately and petrol later... All Govt buses are being converted to EVs, check out the recently released EV policy... EV is the direction the govt wants, and electricity price can be control by building a dam, solar farm or wind mill... can make a Petrol farm? india is already fedup of the oil imports... the Future is inevitable...

[@warri0r2050]

But, you can't install your own pump. But you can install your own solar plants. Rt?

[@RanjeetMD]

@@fireinmyblood trusting governments too much causes financial blunders for middle class. Same minister clarified that he is not against petrol/diesel. My point is any minister/politician doesn't get stuck due to his EV issue. They have fleet and too many people to take care of them. Government is already increasing electricity prices like crazy even though they themselves declared that 58% of total electricity is coming from renewable sources like solar, wind, hydro etc. So, push governments to come up with comprehensive policy where right everyone including Ministry, manufacturer too are responsible and accountable. At this point of time EVs are sold just by shaming people for air pollution but then same people regularly travel in chartered planes. My simple point is anything beyond 10 lakh is huge amount for a middle class person. So, bring the BEV products, along with infra and uniform standards before pushing people to buy it.

[@RanjeetMD]

@@fireinmyblood boot space issue was with CNG and comparable issue with EV is actual range and battery charge suddenly dropping issues... Government never brings down prices of the things from where they get direct taxes. As of now more than half of our electricity is coming from renewable sources like solar, wind, hydro etc. Still, do you see any drop in electricity prices? In contrast you will be charged crazily as your electricity usage goes up. Same minister recently said that he is not against peteol/diesel. So, don't put so much trust in government. This same minister was very vocal about hybrid cars. What happened? My point is that both Government and manufacturer should be held accountable if they are handing over half baked products. In case of EVs it's kind of forcing people into buying it. There are hundreds of cases where EV owners were stranded at roadside due to some technical glitch. All these vehicles are almost brand new. Same thing is with charging. Many societies are not allowing EV meters cabling in parking lot and electricity boards are also not willing to give EV meter that easily. So, do not force/shame people to buy EVs. Anything beyond 10 lakh is huge amount for a middle class person. People who promote EVs for environmental reason travel in chartered planes or at least have AC at their home. Let's force governments to promote hybrids including E100 vehicles till this EV mess is standardized.

[@NlXL5]

My biggest concern about an EV . . . . . . . I can't straight pipe my EV 😭

[@fireinmyblood]

[@evoIndia]

😅

[@prabhankatesar4728]

One podcast on the road safety and teaching truck and bus drivers specially government drivers they are the worst drivers

[@forever_momentss]

i am happy with my zs

[@HitulAngrish]

No matter how many videos you will make its gonna Happen either by 2025 or by 2125 but eventually it will happen

[@RajatGiri-f5f]

Just when the world needed simplicity, they've opted for more complexity. Good luck 👍🏻

[@VermaRajinder]

@@RajatGiri-f5f .. Sir, You are in the Stone Age !!!

[@RajatGiri-f5f]

@@VermaRajinder yeah, we still wouldn't need EVs because the environment would have been in a much better shape 😉

[@umangsk1]

Not a very well researched video... Variant wise specifications were already out on the media release for windsor..

[@7567_Rex]

not at time of shooting video, which would be done 2-3 days advance

[@umangsk1]

@@7567_Rex nah I didn't mean it was out this week; I meant it was already disclosed when the windsor was released to the media on September 9. The brochure was available to download on the website since then. Your brothers on youtube have already made a ton of videos on which variant gets what...

[@fireinmyblood]

@@umangsk1 true u can also see the 3d rendering on the MG site of the final product...

[@rdaroga]

EV technology is far energy and cost efficient as compared to ICE. The shift is inevitable. The only issue is that the home charging infrastructure is not expanding fast enough. I wanted to buy an iQube. I do not have fixed two wheeler parking in my society, nor at the office. I ended up buying an Ntorq. Tomorrow if Tata Power manages to install multiple charging stations in my society and somehow manage to link it to my home electricity meter, I would shift in a blink. The product, resale value, range, none of these matter. The only thing holding us back is the lack of charging infrastructure at home and at office car parks.

[@girishiyer4996]

Just having a person around the charger would solve 99% of the problem, jus like petrol pump have people

[@Reddylion]

Does help, it did for me around delhi jaipur etc. That was some voltron or voltec rest of the Carter's like, static, zeon, jiobp, tata, charge one etc etc not required if those fellows sort software issues now.adani was the worst, Indian oil no good. App issue.

[@fireinmyblood]

@@Reddylion good to know, i am getting the windsor soon... MG is saying there app is stop for all charging stations... First year is free so i will be testing every station...

[@Reddylion]

@@fireinmyblood tata charger is not showing on app for now, hopefully that will be added too.

[@fireinmyblood]

@@Reddylion i see, not sure why, tata is one of the major partners in Ehub...

[@Reddylion]

@@fireinmyblood they have their own app, still could collaborate.

[@laxmangk]

As an enthusiast, forget about the sound and feel of ICE. I can take my tuned daily on a long drive with no/ minimal planning. And someone with modest income can have a car that can give you a lot of fun. It’s difficult with an EV, you can’t just go on a long trip without planning, you need to keep your speed under check to ensure range. And an ehtusiast ev is not accessible for the regular joe. So to me EVs make little sense. I am in the market for a second car for family, we usually do around 250-300 kms a month with this car. I was excited with the comet ev and Baas but 1500 min kms just made it useless. I might just get a cheap hatchback (used). Easiest decision ever. I own an electric scooter bought purely for experience and I love the running cost but the scooter isn’t for a city run, if I run it on sports mode it looses range like an old iPhone. For Neighbourhood runs it’s perfect.

[@girishiyer4996]

In Bengaluru, a top end Nexon petrol DCA costs 17.7 lakhs on road, top end Nexon EV costs 17.3 lakhs. You are on profit from day 1. Booked one😉… hope I have made a right choice 😁

[@main_stream_media_is_a_joke]

When the time comes to totally replace the battery.....what is the total cost that the customer has to bear vs the cost of using ICE during the same time period? What is the total cost difference between EV and ICE over a 7/8 year time period.... assuming they are both used the same?

[@girishiyer4996]

@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke few things, as far as I know you don’t need to replace battery completely after 7/8 years, let’s consider the worst case and assume we will have to replace full battery, it will approximately cost 5-6 lakhs… Considering my use case I cover min 8000 km/year. Cost of ev charging (including fast charging) is ₹3/km, for ICE it’s ₹10/km (I own a Nexon petrol manual, in city it’s less than 10…mileage in highway it’s around 15) I approximately took it as 12km/l… and ₹110/l Fuel cost: EV: 8000*8*3 =1,92,000 Petrol: 8000*8*10=6,40,000 So in 8 years, I will save 4,48,000. Now consider maintenance of ICE, and increasing petrol cost, it will be even more than EV. Note: this is all working out because i m buying it right now when they have 3 lakh discount going on for Nexon.ev, without that discount you would have to drive a lot of extra kilometers for the EV to become valuable

[@girishiyer4996]

@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Considering my use case Usage: 8000km/year Ev charging cost: ₹3/km (including moderately occasional fast charging) Petrol cost: ₹10/km (I own a Nexon petrol manual, city mileage is less than 10, highway is around 14. I m considering petrol cost ₹110/l) Total running cost for 8 years: EV: 8000*8*3=1,92,000 Petrol: 8000*8*10=6,40,000 Saving = 4,48,000 EV battery cost: 5-6 lakhs Now consider maintenance and increasing petrol cost, you will benefit from EV. Note: All this calculation is working out because I m buying ev for same price as ICE, if Tata removes 3 lakh discount which they are currently offering, the entire equation changes and ICE will be more beneficial. For Ev to be beneficial you would have to clock a lot of kilometres.

[@anshuman7190]

What about the battery replacement costs? I am sure you would have a discussion with the sales team on this subject. Because with time battery will degrade for sure and so will the range.

[@girishiyer4996]

I m posting something on battery replacement cost and it’s getting deleted, for some reason I m ghosted 🤣

[@ashutoshatpednekar9463]

Its tbe traditional automakers. Its a well-thought conspiracy. Period.

[@evoIndia]

Sorry, did not understand. What is the conspiracy?

[@csstudent-W8]

punch ev me new wala battery type kab aayega curv wala technology ???

[@fireinmyblood]

after that is put in punch price will increase again... whats the point...

[@vinodrdy]

3-60 BUYBACK PLAN - Assured buyback of 60% (ex-showroom) after 3 yrs/45000 km*

[@vinayak1530]

Hello Sirish. I have a 2008 bajaj pulsar 220 Fuel injected. Good condition. Live in Hyderabad. Please come and have a test drive.

[@neerajs75]

Your channel name itself is EV-O! Sounds like an EV-Ownership gains or pains. Charging infrastructure, awareness about benefits and risks, range anxiety, time to charge, unknows abour resale, technology upgrades happening at fast pace making your gadget car obsolete within years; many things still making EVs a mass phenomenon.

[@MithunOnTheNet]

Stop saying "bucks". No American is listening to this.

[@abhijitkundu1879]

Sirish Sir Siddhartha Lal Sir ka page 3 alag se banta hain pure Asian and Latin America aur European culture pe hamare comminity dusra hain

[@subrav2439]

Who does 10k a month? Most will be well within 1500 km a month assuming 50 km daily commute. Redo the maths

[@fireinmyblood]

10k is 300+kms daily... even cab drivers dont do that much...

[@abhijitkundu1879]

Sir surf isiliye aaj bhi guni aur tazurbe ko izzat karta hi aur simultaneously Inalways make sure izzat khatre na pade isiliye main dhyan rakhta hu sabka 🌹❤️🌹❤️

[@punitmodhgil624]

Globally battery prices have crashed. Likely to go further. Indian EV car manufacturers are being too greedy.

[@evoIndia]

Not really. over 75% of all battery components still get imported from China. So only companies that have a base in China have been able to take benefit of the scale reduction.

[@Dr.SumeshkamatGoa]

nice talk loved it a lot hybrids are the real mid future for INDIA EV faces a major problems are power cute in local villages during rainy season if you put a EV to charge and electricity goes for a night next day you are screwed so EV and hybrid in a home perfect environment combo

[@7567_Rex]

you have to see overlap also How much overlap is there between 1. A village where there is no electricity 2. A village where people own even 10 cars total Chances are that the villages you are referring to where electricity is unreliable, they won't even have budget to buy ICE car let alone EV or hybrid. And for villages with power cuts, solar is best option, just see how many people are using solar power pumps for irrigation, for such village, having electricity is easy via solar, so e rickshaws can be easily used by them I travel in east UP highways quite often, previously there was barely any auto only hand pulled rickshaws, now there are so many e rickshaws when I pass through small villages that it becomes hazard for the highway drivers at high speed

[@Dr.SumeshkamatGoa]

@@7567_Rex solar power nice way to go thanks for the innforamtion

[@AsdfgHjkl-f7w]

Ev euphoria is over those companies invested in Ev technology will get hammering, Toyota played smart and invested in hybrid they will rule now

[@evoIndia]

Considering the upcoming emission norms, more brands will have to move towards EVs and hybrids can be a medium term solution

[@pavneetsingh9161]

EVs are feasible (read best) for intra-city travelling. Even with robust charging infrastructure its hard to wait 30-60min on your trips for refuelling.

[@7567_Rex]

I do 450km round trip to neighbouring town frequently (once every 2 months or so), leave hometown in early morning, stop 15min at charger (75km from home) where there is restaurant, to have breakfast Then proceed to town (130km from 1st charger), park car at charger in the town, go to do my work, have lunch, by the time I come back in evening, car is finished charging. In evening, if it is late, I stop at the 1st charger again for dinner, else complete the 205km drive in one go on nexon EV Have home solar so I only use 32kWh from public charging total, 30kWh free from home in morning. Total trip cost just 700-750 for 450km

[@pavneetsingh9161]

@@7567_Rex Good for you. But you can't always sync your starvation with your car's.

[@7567_Rex]

@@pavneetsingh9161 your stop for eating and peeing on road trip or not?

[@pavneetsingh9161]

@@7567_Rex The point I am making is sometimes when you are hungry then the car might not need charging and when the car needs charging you might not be hungry etc, but if its working for you, then its great. 👍

[@makeitnik]

I can’t believe why nobody is talking about the process of procuring precious elements which go into making these vehicles Putting a green paint or badge on something isn’t actually going to make it eco-friendly It’s literally like buying fake plants

[@7567_Rex]

and how is oil extracted refined and transported? how much emissions there? Avg EV has 5kg lithium for lifetime of vehicle and can be infinitely recycled. for ICE it is lifelong extraction refining and transport of oil, you will consume 10000L of fuel or more if you think 5kg lithium pollutes more than 10000L oil, then you are the fool who oil companies are happy to take advantage of so that you keep buying their overpriced lung cancer juice

[@evoIndia]

In this podcast we focussed on the consumer aspect of an EV. An environment discussion is a whole separate topic.

[@makeitnik]

@@evoIndia I am all for it !although I hope there is some justice done to the word journalism

[@sumitjames9775]

@evoindia if you are crunching numbers do another number crunch in the following point. the point is if 50% of the cars become EV, the amount of electricity that country needs to generate to fulfil the growing demands of this additional electricity would be skewed. We hardly generate enough electricity to supply electricity to the citizens right now. would it not increase our expenses on electricity as individuals? agenda to sab ka hai ispe koi nahi baat kar raha hai.

[@YogeshPatil-kk1rs]

I own a Ford Aspire diesel get around 24-25km/l average. So when I look at EV cars, following problems I see- 1. Range issue 2. Charging infra 3. Running cost not vey low compared to my diesel when charged on public infra. 4. The premium I will have to pay over my diesel car for switching over to EV will never be recovered. Because my driving will be around 3500km/month and due to outside of city driving, the charging will be on public chargers for 2500km out of 3500km. Hence I don't find any sense switching to EVs even though I like it's silent cabin, power and automatic gearbox like driving. And Shirish Sir, I offered you to come to my home for an authentic Misal Paav few years back on twitter I am still waiting. I will be happy if whole of your team comes for Misal Paav to my home in PCMC.

[@dare-er7sw]

24kmpl in city traffic???

[@7567_Rex]

> 1. Range issue Curvv and ZS both have 400km under 20L > 2. Charging infra 5500+ fast chargers in india already, another 22500 coming under PM EDRIVE scheme. Check plugshare for trip planning > 3. Running cost not vey low compared to my diesel when charged on public infra. I do 450km round trip to neighbouring town frequently (once every 2 months or so), leave hometown in early morning, stop 15min at charger (75km from home) where there is restaurant, to have breakfast Then proceed to town (130km from 1st charger), park car at charger in the town, go to do my work, have lunch, by the time I come back in evening, car is finished charging. In evening, if it is late, I stop at the 1st charger again for dinner, else complete the 205km drive in one go on nexon EV Have home solar so I only use 32kWh from public charging total, 30kWh free from home in morning. Total trip cost just 700-750 for 450km Even my previous figo 1.5 never gave more than 20kmpl on same route so it is still ₹5/km > 4. The premium I will have to pay over my diesel car for switching over to EV will never be recovered. But you will eventually sell it, its not like you will drive it for more than 20y, by that time EV would have 500km range and 10min charging (already zs ev and curvv ev have 400km with 30min charging) then EV price gap will also be very small than ICE > Because my driving will be around 3500km/month and due to outside of city driving, the charging will be on public chargers for 2500km out of 3500km. Even then, 1000km is in city right, there it wont give more than 13-14 based on my figo 1.5D numbers in city Even today, diff between curvv EV A55 and Curvv diesel automatic A model is 1L, ie EV is 1L cheaper than OTR cost of diesel So saving since day1, nothing to recover. XL6 CNG 14.5L, Windsor EV 14.5L, zero price difference, nothing to recover again.

[@fireinmyblood]

Dont post here again... GOvt will come looking for you first to Scrap ur Ford Aspire... Diesel era is over, govt taking very serious steps... Sell that car ASAP...

[@PrathmeshShingade]

10k km/month ; 10km/l a 1ltr turbo petrol . Annual saving of 9.5k ₹ 😂. Come on a person buying vehicle 10lakh ex showroom would look forward to this much savings and all 😂?

[@ravichouhan6373]

👍

[@RonGamer-e1v]

Saikat debnath bba icfai university

[@nextechsolutions5955]

The only problem with EVs in India 🇮🇳 is the fact that they are mostly made in China. 🇨🇳

[@evoIndia]

That's true for most of the world. And it's certain components that are made in China, used in cars here. But if the scale of production for EVs come to India, then those components can be made in India too

[@vivekagarwal4390]

Mein batata hun wrong ye hai ki EV leke apni life hell karni hai kya customer ne.

[@Atheistically69]

ICE engine anyday. Enjoying my Verna . Considering a Camry next. Negatives for an EV Poor range Time consuming charging Too costly Battery waste is an environmental disaster.

[@PapaSierraGolf]

Driving is not fun anymore. Ev doesnt have the range to enjoy highway drives. Highways have exhorbitant tolls now, so short sunday drives have become more expensive. Manufacturers are talking as if 10 L and above is normal pricing of cars. Taxes at all time high on fuel as well as cars. The fun of being a petrolhead is depreciating like anything.

[@subrav2439]

Also, no chance of home charging for 90% of home owners. Not even 2nd parking as EVs are not suitable for long drives. In which do you guys live??

[@7567_Rex]

All you need is 15A socket with 4sqmm wire from meter and an mcb Tell flat RWA that you will : 1. connect charger to own meter, not common area 2. you will put lock on your charger so that there is no misuse 3. you will do it at own cost, no cost of society involved (actually dealership will do it as it is complimentary with the car sale, so you dont have to pay anything) IN return all you demand is reserved parking space for all flats painted on the ground with flat number. They take hefty 5-6L for covered parking of cars, surely they can do this much.

[@subrav2439]

Keep dreaming that you can argue with RWA luddites from 1960s era​@@7567_Rex

[@puspaplawangogoi5584]

Why so much into screen .... buying ev have multiple positivies as well as negative. As positives its not all about savings, its also about the eco friendly aspect. The increse in temperature day by day to an unbearable mark will lead a concern person to buy an ev no matter waht the cost is. Although there is also a loophole, as still many of the grid powers are caming from non eco friendly power plant( say thermal), so in that case you are not goona help reducing carbon emission even after using an ev. If you are planning to buy an ev only to save money, then buying an ev does not make any sense in terms of savings yet. Math is simple , its not rocket science, average user will drive a car hardly about 20000 km a year, and when you will calculate running cost for that , you will find that considering high upfront cost the evs low running cost does not matter upto 5 years. The 5 years net cost ( car cost +running cost) for ice or ev remains same. Only difference is that for ev you are going to pay high in the name of emi, and for ice (of similar segment) you are going to pay less emi but high running cost( fuel+ maintanance). The BAAS is just a new tactic from the company to attract people to buy ev. Most of the people do not calculate that deep about cost and all, if they feel the car is affordable they will buy. But those who calculate will find that the Baas will cost even higher if we assume one will use it for 5 year period( more than the cost of the car with the battery ). All about the peoples interest, think how much a larger screen cost😂 they goona do the same thing as a small screen. Its a car not a entertainmet cinema hall...😂 . No 2nd car buyer care for all this kind of things, they want the basics right. Ride comfort , powertarin. Its a long way ahed for ev to use it as a primary car, you can not take any ev to a long tour till now. It will take a significant time for develop a proper charging infrastrucutre when you will be able to take your ev and go anywhere you want. As of now any ev as a 2nd car for daily commute is the best choice. And you can feel good for your effort to save nature.

[@7567_Rex]

>grid powers are came from non eco friendly power plant( say thermal), so in that case you are not goona help reducing carbon emission even after using an ev. only 60% of power is fossil fuel, rest is renewable energy. In ICE car, 100% of power is fossil fuel, so directly 40% improvement is there by using EV > If you are planning to buy an ev only to save money, then buying an ev does not make any sense in terms of savings yet. Math is simple , its not rocket science, You say this and then proceed to utterly fail at such simple math Nexon EV = 12.5L Nexon petrol AMT = 12.5L there is zero price gap so there is no money to recover, heck, you will pay more for petrol amt than EV in terms of OTR prices. Even if you compare LR model, it is 16L vs 14L so 2L price gap, running cost delta is ₹6/km ie in 33K km you are net saving which means less than 1.5 years not 5y. > It will take a significant time for develop a proper charging infrastrucutre when you will be able to take your ev and go anywhere you want. there are 5500+ fast chargers even today, and another 22500 built under pm edrive scheme in future, for 99% people, city driving is the main usage of cars, only 1% cars go on highway as per NHAI toll collection stats

[@puspaplawangogoi5584]

Yes, definitely all power plants are not from non renewable source, I just want to mention it if the grid power is from non renewable source. ​The ex showroom price gap is reduced just few days back, still if you are going to buy the base model of ev then only you will get it in similarly priced high spec model of ice version. I.e. you have to compromise on features. Obviously the future is ev.. but for common people who buy the only car for the first time it is still on the expensive side. People who have money, they do not care anyways, if they want they will buy. Infrastructures are developing in advanced cities but for all round development it will take some time( it is going to happen for sure). Thans for your information. @@7567_Rex

[@7567_Rex]

@@puspaplawangogoi5584 12.5L pricing is for same model of EV and ICE ie creative+ model for nexon Both have same features and specs In fact EV is better as it is true automatic, not fake AMT and performance of EV is much better than petrol model nexon

[@puspaplawangogoi5584]

If this is the case then buying ev is better for the consumer ​@@7567_Rex

[@pratapsalunkhe1310]

This is the problem with auto journalists & automobile media in India. They simply act as YES MEN & promote whatever car manufacturers say. There is no critical evaluation or posing uncomfortable questions to car manufacturers. Look at these two. They're completely Gung ho & all gay, while the industry is going through a massive slowdown

[@evoIndia]

You may want to see our interviews with the CEOs of manufacturers for that. This was a podcast done more to ask questions and discuss about the current state of EVs in the automotive space.