WHAT'S THE BEST TOURNAMENT WINNING DECK IN cEDH? PLAY TO WIN vs MONARCH

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[@PlaytoWinMTG]

WHOOPS!!! I said mike aka sad naus, but I meant mike aka saadrobot!!!!

[@munsulight721]

Not getting rid of magda/raga/dwarfwith the Grapeshot after Thalia/Giver was dealt with was a mistake. Putting 4 on Winota while she has no way of triggering seems so counterintuitive while magda still has a big board after. I dont understand Nick play there.

[@ash-and-ash]

imagine spending your entire life total to prevent Winota from doing a single flip on her next turn so that Magda could untap with a completely untouched board. also you aren’t the Magda player. can’t say this enough but i do not agree with this threat assessment lmao

[@1998flash]

As a Winota player, this, this happens way too much. People see 1 possible Winota trigger and get way too scared. While the other players are chilling and building a board to win

[@1998flash]

@Josh C. Yup that was my thinking, whenever i see a magda out, and i’m able to remove her i do. She alone does a lot of damage if you dont remove her

[@vroomzoom4206]

@@1998flash yup, I've been plahing Winota and people will just completely wipe your board not win then pass to a combo player who wins. It's great.

[@DoomDG]

Also he completely mis-sequenced a potential turn 3 maghda win....

[@briancroce6332]

This is what playing winota is like. 1 flip wont win a game but lets put all our focus on winota and hand the gane to someone else. Lol

[@thesp1r1tdragon55]

Just like in the tournament magda wins by having it's opponents punt because they don't understand magda.

[@magicthe7]

One of those grapeshots 100% should have taken her out that was just painful to look at haha

[@vroomzoom4206]

@@magicthe7 that whole turn was painful to watch.

[@grantmilner8908]

Spoilers

[@magicthe7]

actually its even stranger because he then also comments on that madga is a problem now as it just got 5 treasures so he obviously understands atleast somewhat how the deck works.

[@prinsepe87]

Haha. We have a talented Magda player in our pods. Poor guy never wins, because we all know how to read 😆

[@sorry987654321]

everyone seemed like playing as a hidden ally to magda. that game was really weird

[@fitz7977]

They are all my besties. Rule 0.

[@thomasnoonan2039]

That grapeshot turn seemed to really impact the course of the game, but I don't see how it helped their odds of winning... Am I missing something?

[@vroomzoom4206]

No it was pure grief

[@tajicbladeofthelegion5474]

I mean, it helped increase odds of winning by taking one opponent out of the game, it just could have done a whole lot more.

[@uriarte411]

@@vroomzoom4206 It made sense until spending 4 triggers on Winota. Like even without playing cEDH you can see that was so inefficient.

[@SamuelKacerik]

This was painful to watch. But you are still my favorite cEDH channel.

[@drewdanaceau8844]

If that transmute artifact had gotten a cursed totem instead of a trinisphere, I think Cam would’ve been golden there

[@TCG9777]

The casual bring up of Choo Choo Charles in this game is why I love this channel

[@PR0Serg]

Krark wasted too much life on those grapeshots for no specific reason. I think cam focuses too much on "locking" the board instead of winning the game whenever he plays teferi.

[@fosterdawson7339]

@@autoenthused I don’t think copy artifact on needle would work since Winota is a triggered ability, not an activated ability

[@lukeleicht1170]

The grapeshot play seemed particularly loose because all it would take was 1 grapeshot on the Magda to slow down fritz

[@Tspang42]

WE NEVER MAKE DEALS WITH TERRORISTS

[@elligscr]

Nick should stick to regular commander pods

[@64lundyco]

If you're going to take 33 from treasonous ogre and want to win, you should be playing Godo. I was the Godo player that lost in top 16 to that Krark deck in the tournament it won

[@videowiz22]

The ABSOLUTE blow out here was nuts, been in a very similar situation against the same deck at my LGS and its rough.

[@ecclesiaandune687]

Isn’t nick blowing up back to basics when it has absolutely 0 effect on him staying in the game kinda just trying to king make the other players? Also god bless fitz for absolutely refusing to politic with the krark Sakashima deck, I absolutely will always laser focus the pilot of that deck first too

[@fitz7977]

There’s no mercy in this dojo.

[@Varler_]

It really felt like everyone was either helping or ignoring Magda. All the stax pieces slowed the other players around more and no one interacted with their board at all. I don't know if it's because people were too focused on the "stronger" decks at the table, or what.

[@Croltown]

fitz camera is shaking so much i question his camera stand is just 2 piles of books and with a phone between those 2 stacks of books haha

[@fitz7977]

I’m just a big ol boy and I kept bumping it. Lol. But I’m gonna buy a fancy one now. 🥹

[@fallen5771]

Yea the focus on winota was to much, could have slowed down Magda at the same time.

[@thomasnoonan2039]

Yo, love your videos, still my favorite cEDH channel! If you put out more than one video a week I'd watch them. :)

[@BloodMural]

1,000% agree

[@dannymerritt7746]

Fitz bringing up the Thomas the Tank Engine horror game super casually is epic as shiiit

[@Djm939]

In case anyone is looking for it it’s called choo choo charles

[@kstandish42]

Once again proving back to basics and or blood moon are strong even with the abundance of dockside in the meta.

[@guitarwithjacob]

I love Blood Moon in cEDH

[@kstandish42]

@@guitarwithjacob the three red stax pieces see too little play in cedh generally imo,Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon and War’s Toll should all be played more. War’s Toll especially as it messes up matchups against control and midrange decks.

[@guitarwithjacob]

@@kstandish42 I completely agree. I'm a big fan of Stranglehold as well.

[@corywilliams2533]

Nick seems to have a LOT of spite plays and realllly poor threat assessment. The “just so you know if you kill me im gonna do this and then you have to deal with two players” kinda was annoying

[@Vagrantlol]

kind of a really weird game. im personally not really a fan of constantly trying to make deals in cEDH anyway, but this politic-ing didn't seem efficient in the first place. not to mention letting the Magda just sit there the whole time with treasures available. people overestimating the danger of Winota while underestimating the danger of Magda seems kinda par for the course tho.

[@dancer6452]

Was the back to basics destruction a bit of a spite play? Seems like it a little, but i don't think it had a super big effect on the outcome anyways, but just curious what others think

[@castorfields9584]

Definitely a spite play.

[@NordicRest]

It was definitely a spite play, but it was as a part of a deal to try to not die. Fine in my books.

[@Zelphiez]

100% a spike play.

[@davisjohnson7987]

Imo, nothing is a spite play if you threaten to do it beforehand. Then it just becomes part of the cost of killing you. It would be the same as someone swinging lethal damage at you and you blocking effectively - just the cost of taking you out of the game. I think it would even be fine in the following scenario: you are at 1 life, you have no blockers, each opponent has the ability to kill you on their turn. It seems you have no outs - unless nobody wants to kill you. One way you can try and survive is to say, “I have 3 removal spells in my hand. I will fire them all off at someone who tries to kill me.” This way you can hope that for each opponent, it’s not worth it to take you out of the game to have their board set back.

[@fitz7977]

Nick searched up REB with mystical with the entire goal of destroying back to basics. It was always meant to be.

[@StackedEDH]

Krark, the Thumbless

[@Its-Lulu]

Sakashima of a Thousand Faces

[@kstandish42]

Hell yeah!

[@stoopkid7922]

What was the goal of the grapeshot play?

[@ChildrenOfOwls]

The REB was a spite play in my opinion. I don’t think it’s the same as blocking on the way out. If anything he should have said here’s the REB in my hand if you attack me I’ll blow it up but

[@billygorilla]

And where was the krark trigger?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

He did say that

[@ChildrenOfOwls]

@@PlaytoWinMTG Oh I'm sorry I must have missed that

[@samhammel8268]

Definitely some misplays and while I don't think this was a great game in terms of plays, it is equally important to see these games and learn from them. I feel like Cam probably needs to be a little more aggressive in going for plays that win with this deck. The REB was not a spite play even though at first I wasn't sure, I think it was totally fair but I don't know if I would have done that. The biggest thing that really changed the outcome of the game was the over-extending on Winota as others have pointed out without touching Magda especially considering back to basics was on the table by the krak player. While I probably won't be revisiting this game for entertainment value it's a good example to show people of how a few mistakes can drastically change a game and have others grow from it. Always look forward to more content.

[@delta57dash]

Gotta say, really not a fan of Nick’s plays this game. Repeatedly tried to politics people away from dealing with his board and then pulled a spite play with the REB on the Back to Basics. Really left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@castorfields9584]

Also decided to nuke Dylan's board without also killing magda.

[@burninggrapes9815]

Ikr, why wouldn't nick want to die

[@CacZarn]

Nick playing Krark is just *chef's kiss*

[@dimitriosdoulgeris4659]

Cam's comment on the Tanglewire trigger was nothing but awesome. I love you guys.

[@cmdrsausage9669]

Not a fan of Nicks play, smacks of pure spite

[@verc8844]

100% agree, it did not help him win the game or stop him from losing.

[@smack80]

sometimes threat assessment is assessing people threatening you

[@burninggrapes9815]

So you're not a fan of trying not to lose?

[@billygorilla]

No krark trigger for REB?

[@ethanstates884]

Weird game/decisions there. Still good tho. Love the extra change at the end with the credits. Spooky!😂

[@thetimebinder]

As a Najeela player with a Winota + Yuriko player in my main group, it's nice to see cedh won by combat damage.

[@OvenfreshDeth]

Grapeshot kills Winota Magda: BIG BET

[@Flip4Crypt]

Beautiful disgusting stax pieces, insane Magda always preforms so well when she hits the table This game was a gnarly grind, between treasonous ogre and the stax is was destined to be a tough one Great video guys, thank you for the Sunday gifts!

[@moxstars]

I can't belive how under the radar Magda flies, STILL! A buddy in our playgroup plays Magda and we all now she's a kill on sight

[@didupaytheone2678]

There a monkey on back of a dragon attacking cam? I love this game,that's a lot of damage, love to see combat damage wins, most of the time

[@middknight5202]

I know they aren’t quite Cedh but it would be cool to see some Planeswalker Commander games and you guys’ take on them!

[@hurkyl6977]

Did the Krark player hate Dylan or something? Suicided to shut him down. And then the griefer moment before leaving the game. Felt like Dylan was trying to justify the behavior of the guy at the end, even though he didn’t deserve it. Yikes on the cEDH mentality where we play to win. Not to mention the unannounced target at Winota. Loved Fitz smacking him down at the end!

[@fitz7977]

I do what I can for the people. 🥹

[@AustinRealtorRyan]

This would've been a very different game. Nick punted. Cam punted. Dylan did nothing. That sounds about par for the course! Love the content y'all!

[@MGOxPsykomantis]

Where was the Krark Flip for the Red Elem Blast?

[@aech2629]

That teferi list is from a player at my LGS. Shout out Natural 20 Games from Vegas!

[@darkdragonXD1]

At that point why why dont fetch for ancient copper dragon ?

[@darkdragonXD1]

@@fitz7977 I see but it should be copper dragon there if any

[@ghost64626]

Damn this was a brutal game lol

[@mrpeanutmaid1861]

I so fucking love magda. Stopped playing it in edh because it felt to unfair. My go to dragon is the ancient copper one, on a 10+ roll you can get your 2 pieces combo and lose friends all in the same turn !

[@BunnymanGaming]

Wizards when no one plays their cedh event because no one can afford to play without proxies 👁️👄👁️

[@didupaytheone2678]

Red vs blue in 1v1 cedh Battle I'm here for it ..back to basic ,blood moon one of my favorite in the deck

[@titak7755]

Magda go brrrrrrr Great game!

[@hipposlapper]

That Krark player really warped the game, and not in a good way. I understand that cEDH is a complex game and I too have had terrible games, but that spite REB really felt salty. I think there should not be room for that in cEDH. At least it wasn't impactful.

[@Snowjiggles]

Kinda surprised nobody played Temur Pirates. Either way, Magda's strength lies in nobody understanding how the card/deck works. Always a strength

[@frankdetank9126]

Get yourself some! Thanks for the video. Have you considered a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?

[@符音-e6n]

I am planning on playing blue farm for the Magic 30 con cedh tournament.

[@mgarratt101]

Didn't think that cedh players were spiteful, the way that chump blasted back to basics on the way out :(

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

Lol wow who would have thought Magda was so damn powerful. I might have to build this now.

[@grinreaperoftrolls7528]

I’ve built it. It’s really good, but it kinda falls apart if magda gets removed 2-3 times. People will eventually learn it’s a kill on sight commander. And because it doesn’t have blue, it can struggle to protect itself.

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

@@grinreaperoftrolls7528 pretty much a given since it's mono red but it amazes me how well it goes under stax decks and laughs in dwarf. Still seems worth it to me to build it.lol.

[@LC-wv7tz]

For what it's worth, there were major misplays in this game. The grapeshot absolutely should have killed Magda there was no reason not to and again later, the transmute artifact should have gotten Cursed Totem or some actually useful stax piece. The Krark player basically handed the game to Magda and Cam also dropped the ball.

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

@@LC-wv7tz I very much agree with you. I think showing the other two rounds of this would benefit for who actually is "best". Magda should definitely have been in the line of fire there and it was a huge miss play to pay all of that life . Not really sure anyone knew what they were doing here but Dylan honestly, no offense guys.

[@fitz7977]

@@buddadragonmtg4848 give me another chance senpai.

[@AnimeReaper114]

That was a very casual "cedh" game. Personally the r.e.b. on the way out felt like a spite play

[@ReidAdler]

Dylan with the new Bilmuri shirt, I c u.

[@RodrigoCML7]

Would you guys be willing to give Jace tide a shot? I feel it does what Teferi wants to do but better, faster and also stronger. It is my best performing cEDH deck, beyond Urza, Yuriko and Vannifar and somehow I feel it’s underrepresented.

[@tysanthecreator]

Would y’all consider doin who is the best “titan” tier 0 commanders?

[@travismahoney2764]

Choo Choo charles is the thomas game fitz is taliing about

[@TylerYoutubeGamingChannel]

i want to go to okotoberfest but im a proxy boy do you think they are actually going to like deck check people at all on the site it says you cant use proxies in the main event

[@bennyoreilly8048]

Damn who were those 2 other guys. The krark player straight up ignored the Magda player then spitefully blew up the back to basics

[@VanHornJosh]

Banger vid guys!

[@eldinatkin3128]

Where did Nick get that playmat!

[@warrenm72]

I would have included blue farm here

[@RumpledNutskin]

This Magda deck is sweet!

[@DoomDG]

Fitz played horrendously. Literally scarred my eyes. Spending that amount of life to not improve his board. Tutoring for REB when maghda is in a dominating. The really sad attempt at a “deal”. This is cedh, play to win, no politics.

[@fitz7977]

I know you won’t see this, because you’re blind now. But I’m sorry senpai.

[@MetalGearWelkin]

I believe you meant this to be directed toward the Krark player “Nick” and not “Fitz” the Magda player

[@PauperPrincex]

Great game guys!

[@Inspectornills]

yea, too much attention to Winota I feel. Could have spread some of that love to Magda to keep her in check

[@fitzmonarch7001]

That is not nice. Magda did nothing wrong.

[@Its-Lulu]

Another Saturday and we're back it again 😎

[@adampierce6683]

Dylan that broly shirt is awesome, where did you get it from?

[@alexandertaylor6233]

where can i get that rick and morty play mat lol

[@davidew345]

What is that flag with Jesus on it on Cam’s side from? A band or something?

[@nicholashewitt9781]

Can I get the Magda list? I’ve got a lower powered list that blows people out with Blightsteel

[@sorry987654321]

why no ancient copper dragon in magda?

[@fitzmonarch7001]

This was Koibito's list he won the tournament with. A lot of cards for Magda came out afterwards

[@sorry987654321]

@@fitzmonarch7001 ah thanks! makes sense

[@christopherdavalos3895]

But where did you get that shirt dylan 🤔

[@timtauber5557]

Magda, too strong against stax, turning off artifacts helps. Dylan was completely shut out of this game. Krark seemed like it struggled to advance its game plan. Can maybe kept a slow hand with no interaction. Dylan was screwed early and was a non-factor. Wish I knew what cards Cam drew during that game. Maybe he kept a suspect hand. Teferi needs lots of burst mana and counter magic, the control game was not the best call against these opponents. A cyclonic rift would have been good of course. The back to basics seemed to mostly hurt Dylan. Gilded drake would have made this game way more fun to watch. The lack of artifact removal seemed odd with multiple red players. Although Magda did not care about any of the stax pieces. Null rod would have helped against Magda, unless he was holding artifact removal, which I don’t know.

[@tysanthecreator]

Haven’t watch it yet and already love the idea and matchup!!

[@GodammitNappa]

Fitz got handed that game lol well done1. Nick definitely shoulda killed all of dylans non-humans and magda to shut down both decks or just kill both commanders to shut them down and give him more time.

[@fitz7977]

No mistakes, just happy accidents 🥹

[@GodammitNappa]

@@fitz7977 agreed Fitz agreed :D

[@Airplane003]

Cedh is won using dragons, you’ve heard it here

[@fitz7977]

I was willing to lose to win with dragons. This is the way.

[@hampusbergqvist1791]

Wow, really bad plays, this is also the problem with stax and nonblue lists, you cant stop people from winning of you cant interact on the stack

[@fallen5771]

Most decks can't interact consistently with activated abilities. Magda is hard to deal with when it is online.

[@cheynewellington]

Cam loves Utvara Hellkite

[@bencampsall8563]

Would of Nick's Red Elemental Blast cost 3 mana instead of 1 when destroying Back to Basics because of Trinisphere unless I'm missing something? Awesome video regardless 😁

[@joshuabillie5083]

They did pay three.

[@bencampsall8563]

@@joshuabillie5083 Oh I'm dumb, I only saw the Ogre mana. Thanks for clarifying :)

[@Cudcudcudcudcuscuski]

Can y’all please play ghyrson?

[@timothydalton2388]

i think magda is great, even have it proxied out, unfortunately, one of the people in my local meta plays marath stax as his only deck, so magda tends to be really bad in my local meta as the deer can just ping it once and youre offline

[@MeowHoots]

Marath in the background like know your place trash. Seriously though a staxs Marath deck slaps hard.

[@Bezoldz]

Never seen such a bad krark player

[@Xeno-MTG]

Just shows again that you can't give Magda any wiggle room :D

[@Rabbit3]

Pregame shout out: go krarkashima!

[@JadeRedglare]

Sorry but that grapeshot play was purely a spite play. Ghere was no reason to play it like that, spec because it took them out of the game by going to basically no life versus two red decks. Absolute nonsense.

[@MaricKillJoy]

I feel like the if you kill me I remove Back to Basics is just a spite play.

[@bundung123]

more cedh videos pog

[@BigDaddyDirtHog]

Does my boy Gitrog still see cEdh play? Its my best deck and can combo out turn 1 or 2

[@vroomzoom4206]

Yeah, problem is it's combo is non-determnistic so playing in tournaments cant be rough cause your opponents can make you play it out and it can sometimes take a while to get to a win.

[@exsnypre]

@@vroomzoom4206 Krarkashima has the same problem and sees relatively high rates of play. I think the bigger issue with Gitrog is it's reliance on the graveyard and it's inability to stop most opposing combo lines.

[@vroomzoom4206]

@@exsnypre yeah girrog really can't interact.

[@kellyperry5009]

Brutal game. Stax effects did thier job hahaha 😆

[@vincentmanuhuwa8375]

This was painful to watch and not a good game.

[@AamariWilliams]

Comment section is wild. Keep it respectful folks. Few misplays and a questionable play at the end but nothing to have pitchforks over. Thank you for the content as usual PTW! See yall next Sunday.

[@Ramen4Days]

Did Nick punt the entire game for everyone by trying to politic? Yes. That’s why politics have no place in CEDH

[@jakeaskvig6441]

Dylan where did you get that sweet fucking shirt

[@nivek9821]

the discord messages where quite annoying

[@DoomDG]

Also, this teferi list is an abomination with time walks and extrapropriates, he won the finals by drawing sol ring crypt vault and a turn 2 teferi. Also Ken Baumann would probably have vomited blood watching that K&S play. Never invite them back again.