WILL|LUCAS|LURRUS - DHALSIM - ABADDON - MARNEUS - WHOS THE BEST UNIVERSES BEYOND COMMANDER IN cEDH

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[@videowiz22]

I’ve literally never seen suppression field played to such efficacy in a cedh pod and I don’t want to see it again and I’m sure neither does tyler lol

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

doing work

[@videowiz22]

@@PlaytoWinMTG thats an understatement lol

[@Varler_]

A few years ago it was a lot more common. Still strong, though!

[@calebwolfenden8061]

I’ve realized during this game that because of the companion errata, dranith magistrate doesn’t even prevent casting companions, which is what it was meant to counter in standard

[@odyseeus]

Felt bad for Tyler, but I think most cEDH players have been there. You handled that misery wonderfully, Tyler.

[@QDurlstonP]

12:34 Cam casts Tainted Pact from exile (found by Grasp) through a Drannith Magistrate. Think the stax had gotten so wide that people started to forget what was still active.

[@blakey9869]

And the Nature's Claim on the Deafening silence

[@QDurlstonP]

@@blakey9869 Drannith was phased out then by the X Blue spell.

[@edwardchan5567]

Jesus christ you guys getting on TCC is incredible! Thank you guys for playing a huge part of getting CEDH to mainstream!

[@connorl0204]

Man these last two games really show how important turn order is

[@markrugeles4968]

Doesn't the dranith stop cam's tp cause he would cast it from exile?

[@alpo4368]

It do lol

[@64lundyco]

I think Dhalsim probably still would have won but that counter war burned through a lot of interaction so it would have changed a good bit of the game

[@stephanblijleven8189]

Was gonna say the exact same thing

[@jayliohd6280]

I don't think so 'cause doesn't grasp specifically say "play" not "cast", Drannith says "can't CAST spells". I could be wrong tho about the ruling

[@markrugeles4968]

It needs to say play in order for grasp to able to get lands if you get a spell then you must cast it in order to play it

[@kristopherwatts9466]

Am I the only one whose learning just now that Jim is on the RC now??? Thats awesome!!! Edit: looked it up, and Olivia is on the RC too?? Thats super awesome!!!

[@johnaych8954]

rules committee means fuck all unfortunately

[@Bafflementation]

It makes me truly happy to see good ol' Deadly Recluse there, even if it didn't get to see play.

[@MentalMisplay]

LETS GOOOOO

[@a_level_70_elite_raccoon]

Dhalsim was so powerful on this board, but the pace with which the stax pieces came down was ridiculous. Haven't seen a shellacking like that by a GW deck since Tyler took Yasharn out for a spin (still one of my favorite games, btw). The effect of the stax pieces was absolutely backbreaking. Excellent job on the editing, as always, and a great game to see!

[@JUBManbear]

Dranith Magistrate would stop Cam's Tainted Pact he got from the Praetor's Grasp.

[@lilwigese1]

Just got the Halloween playmat yesterday it looks AMAZING thank you guys love the channel ggs

[@stelliocantos4639]

Good game. Suddenly very aware of the lack of suppression field in my meta... [digs through boxes]

[@Orelusz]

Dhalsim is so cool! I want to build it now, been looking for a Selesnya commander and this one seems the perfect choice!

[@kstandish42]

Dylan as the Donnie Darko bunny is an alter sleeve or token idea for the future 5sure 😂

[@ImWintercat]

I hope we see more suppression field so that my claim off color fetches are bad gets stronger. Fun game to watch

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

me too

[@MesivYT]

@@PlaytoWinMTG video from a year ago, but LED isn't a mana ability, so cam at 12:55 would have had to pay 2 to activate it, right?

[@ChristopherZAR]

Dhalsim putting in workkkk! Damn I never realised how close that deck is to my pet Derevi deck :)

[@draytonyork4811]

What a fun game! Poor Tyler, tho, not doing much of anything 😆 dhalsim doing work!!

[@titan0210]

Would love to see a cedh all stax with dhalsim, winota, urza, and derevi. I know that makes for a brutal game most times but it would be interesting 🤔.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

oo that would be a good one

[@oddball_covers]

Watch the last vid. It was an all stax game. Different commanders tho aside from winota

[@DMBlade4]

That's not really a CEDH game at that point, that's just tuned commander

[@MeowHoots]

@@DMBlade4 ah what are you talking about

[@DMBlade4]

@@MeowHoots Stax decks only become CEDH powerful when they're up against decks trying to cast 3 or more spells per turn. If no one is trying to do busted things at the table then all the power of Thorn of Amethyst is lost, for instance. Thorn is supposed to cost multiple mana per turn to play through in order to actually be effective. If each person is only playing a spell or 2 per turn, you're not breaking parity. Stax decks are not CEDH decks, they're strongly tuned decks that suddenly become hyper-effective against real CEDH strategies. It's really simple

[@kevinsimmons5343]

This was the most epic “begin” yet

[@geoffreygarfein9169]

To answer Dylan’s thought: I like the the Blue Spellbomb. I also like seal of doom. Just food for thought.

[@firstandlast.1254]

Oooo seal of doom is a good call

[@DutchPenquin]

Love the reminder for Bloodstained Mire when you cast the field. There is a slightly infamous legacy tournament report about a guy on mono-white stax and he routinely mentioned how his opponents would get GRV's for fetching with it out.

[@cheezybred]

I was super excited to see what marneus can do since I am trying to build this deck. Disappointing that he was just shut off from turn 1.

[@johnsannicolas5649]

Watch the previous vid, marneus was insane. Turn 1 tithe riding it all the way to victory

[@SvviftDeath]

@@johnsannicolas5649 That was the best it could've done but I'm with M Safrons where I wanted to see what it could do outside of the best possible start. How resilient can it be in the mid game and how good is it trying to go for a grindy win.

[@ryanhillary9198]

Alright I just watched the game and all I gotta say is congratulations on the win to Cam in shuffle up and play. What a turn

[@johnayala771]

When you said begin I shit myself from the raw power of your voices

[@johngoodmans_thanksgiving_7867]

I think the correct intuition pile is Ad Nauseam, Mystic Remora, Rhystic Study. It doesn’t always have to be a card to grab combo pieces. From the board state you were in, I think it’s correct to play for the long game.

[@Varler_]

This is why people need to play more board wipes in cEDH! Fun game.

[@LemorasCards]

Great video, Dhalsim is sick.

[@jonathanyoung2771]

Having the inverted scrollpad is infuriating but I also have to say you got a little taste of not getting to do what you wanted. haha I love this channel so much!

[@justinveron698]

A good game and congrats on the shuffle up and play announcement!

[@fallen5771]

Mmhm Fantastic. Dhalsim is sick

[@thanhavictus]

You know what would be a cool touch? Some sort of visual glow around the names when someone is talking. It got really confusing sometimes to tell who's turn and who's saying what. A visual-for-audio cue would be great for these videos.

[@rubesobar5203]

"And by people I mean me" that broke me hard

[@sorry987654321]

at 14:21 was that actually really truly an DEADLY RECLUSE !?!?

[@jacobbrown9894]

It has reach after all

[@MentalMisplay]

Deadly Recluse is Dhalsim's Loyal Apprentice.

[@sorry987654321]

@@MentalMisplay I can respect that in an cEDH deck XD

[@rowrow_]

love the preview for halloween season at 20:11

[@Selfish_Cynical]

Play to win should do a 6 part series of who’s the better commander for all the colours including colourless instead of one video with four colours

[@runeserpent1449]

the title is an actual headacke to read when its scrunched together in the recommended tab lmfao xD

[@mitsosoftheelves]

This felt more stax-y than the stax commanders game, haha!

[@aventar]

I love my Halloween playmat. Need more episodes. :)

[@StackedEDH]

LET'S GO DHALSIM

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

hell yea

[@Flip4Crypt]

So exited for Cam to be on Shuffle Up and Play, this was a really fun game to watch Suppression Field did some really great work this game That deck dylan was running had some really funny cards in it compared to most cEdh decks

[@mandielyn0416]

Excited for the shuffle up and play episode

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

I think magic has officially hit that point yugioh did ages ago where "anti-meta" is now strong enough to be the strongest thing in the meta lol

[@mandielyn0416]

You know what would make a cool patron perk? Letting the patrons do the “Begin!” At the beginning of the episodes.

[@jacuzzi_jake]

Jesus Dhalsim stax is sooooooooooo juicy! Suppression field putting in work!

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

it does a lot

[@TripsAhoy]

Man Tyler had one hell of a game there! ;)

[@cameronbustos6059]

I think its like to see another game with these decks because this is 2 in a row now where it seems only 1 deck did anything. I always love the vids though❤️

[@ljlk8583]

15:55 esper sentinel costs 3 to pay for thanks to elesh norn

[@DMBlade4]

I don't think Nate had priority during the blocking phase when he casted March of Swirling Mist

[@kathleenmeyerowitz7187]

8:57 would it have been more optimal for cam to crack his fetch on nates endstep?

[@intention21]

9:50 lol you guys are some funny dudes

[@DylanDarkWorld2]

Random question. And no disrespect as I’m genuinely curious. Why do you have “he/him” next to all your names? Is it necessary to have that there?

[@matthewrobert1810]

Shout out to the Wawa shirt

[@cameronjose6185]

Bro that’s a baller WAWA shirt I love there sammiches

[@gland10]

Vanishing Verse should have been in the graveyard, which would give Cam access to a removal spell in his graveyard. RIP does not exile the card that destroys it but does exile itself.

[@matthewmartin9983]

Cam with the spite play! (On accident lol)

[@Tableautin666]

Led is worded that it is no mana source, so it would also be staxed by Suppression Field

[@ary31415]

That is not true, LED is a mana ability, it's just weird because it's a mana ability with a timing restriction. Notably, Pithing Needle does not stop LED

[@ary31415]

There is a Gatherer ruling for LED that says: " The ability is a mana ability, so it is activated and resolves as a mana ability, but it can only be activated at times when you can cast an instant. Yes, this is a bit weird. "

[@ethanstates884]

Great game fellas! Keep it going!

[@forever915ful]

Around 15:58, esper trigger is 3 mana not 1... lol still a fun game

[@freeejazzz]

That laptop is definitely scrolling the right way!!

[@lysander3262]

Wow, if it isn't the consequences of not running more than 0-1 board wipes XD Edit: Also, questions. 1. Is there a reason Dhalsim runs Ranger's Guile over Tamiyo's Safekeeping and 2. Does Dhalsim have room for Pendelhaven?

[@aftonlagrandeur5777]

Best intro yet!!!

[@SavageD-qi2ti]

Loved the game, that was great. Any thoughts on Dhalsim making it into the maybe/sideboard pile for Blood Pod? Seems interesting, but I haven't gotten to play enough to have thoughts on it yet.

[@BigMikePlays]

I was rooting for 4 color lurrus

[@SuperArthuroliveira]

When Cam put Lurrus in his hand it wasn't suposed to cost 2 more mana because of the Supression Field?

[@paulgoodridge2269]

Another bit of a bad advice is "math is for blockers". Infamous last words of Jimmy Wong.

[@TomHickey]

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

😈

[@abelmuniz7917]

who is better, tymna/ikra or ikra/bruse ? Your personal opinion. For value or easy combo

[@WhyDoIHaveToHaveAHandle_s]

Cam that was definitely not a spite play if you thought that at the time it would save you, but Tyler's counter on your Tainted Pack was also definitely a spite play because by definition it was basically giving the game to Dylan as there was no way Tyler was going to be able to come back.

[@64lundyco]

I disagree. No matter what position you're in, the only way to win is to not lose. Even if you're staxed out to oblivion, the correct play is always to counter a combo win attempt. Also, Drannith was out so Cam couldn't have played tainted pact anyway but that's a separate issue

[@64lundyco]

But yes Cam was not making a spite play

[@murrowmench1565]

REPPIN’ WAWA YEAH BOY

[@AndreasRChaos]

i believe i've never seen a game where Tyler isn't mana screwed ... why are you guys doing this to him :D

[@civilmcgraaw]

How can Cameron run Lurrus as a companion and run Ad Naus in his deck?

[@e.t.6424]

Lurrus says permanent, not card strangely. That’s one of the things that makes Lurrus real good. What makes this especially weird is that it’s counterpart, Keruga, doesn’t specify only permanents.

[@civilmcgraaw]

@@e.t.6424 wow I’d never noticed that. Thanks!

[@e.t.6424]

@@civilmcgraaw No problem, it is super easy to miss.

[@timothygadd751]

hey on the off chance, are any of ptw gunna be at the axion edh event on saturday?

[@CharlotteMimic]

Too bad that Tyler didn't get to play haha. Very cool decks though!

[@MrBsauce12]

Wait, how was he drawing 3 cards from Dhalsim? His abilitys says one or more, so no matter how many creatures delt combat damage, he would only draw 1 card from it right?

[@AresVishnu]

Cause it says “one or more to a player”. Each player is counted as a separate clause to draw that many cards. So if 3 creatures hit 3 different people, that’s 3 independent triggers.

[@MrBsauce12]

@@AresVishnu oooooh i missed that, thanks!

[@Tehnameless1]

Of note: LED isn't a mana ability, so suppression field makes it cost 2 more. Great stuff! Loved the Halloween intro

[@lambertodemillo9027]

Ruling LED, The ability is a mana ability, so it is activated and resolves as a mana ability, but it can only be activated at times when you can cast an instant. Yes, this is a bit weird. 10/4/2004

[@bahablastfreeze8872]

Yo the Wawa shirt!

[@frankdetank9126]

This was a fun video. Have you ever considered a best enchantress in cEDH video?

[@israelgalderisi]

Dhalsim is fantastic!!!

[@Kishimyu]

Will you guys try to make the other Street Fighter characters viable for cEDH?

[@ConnorPlaysTCG]

Well I was really interested in building abaddon storm but seeing this game and the last one is not very motivating lol

[@Cha0sRising90]

Dylan using Ancient Mew encouraged me to find mine, and now they are my treasure token lol! Let's go, using $30 tokens!! Another great game, though. That Suppression Field put in work. Tyler should get to mull to 8 next game, though, because of it.

[@lucasc9142]

I can tell by the way “I’m joking” was said that these guys have watched the show I think you should leave. So to that I say…. Gimme Dat!

[@Jarvis_Moonbeam]

I've just come here to let Cam know that Sheetz is better than Wawa

[@Its-Lulu]

Patreon to Win 😎

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

You know it!

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

Wait, how can you have Naus in a Lurrus Companion deck?

[@Pantuflein]

Lurrus only cares about permanents Mana Value, so Naus is ok

[@marcellusjordan5681]

Are there any rulings as to why someone cannot? I genuinely would like to know.

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

@@Pantuflein hm I guess I never noticed. Thanks for the tip I always thought it was like Keruga but for under 3 mana

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

@@marcellusjordan5681 nah i just thought Lurrus was worded like Keruga but instead it’s worded like Zirda. I thought it asked for all cards to be under 3 cmc but instead it’s only permanents.

[@marcellusjordan5681]

@@JohnDoe-vc5qb Wow. Reading the card, explains the card. I appreciate it

[@Death_by_Tech]

“Tier 1 dhalsim” if you need to say you are tier 1 then you are not tier 1 😂 but actually I love it

[@MentalMisplay]

it's called tier 1 because it's the list I played in the Tier1 world championship cEDH tournament in Copenhagen. but also cause it's funny/cheeky to name a deck that.

[@Death_by_Tech]

@@MentalMisplay I didn’t know that! Cool! It’s an awesome list, it inspired me to include dhalsim in my jetmir deck as a backup toski

[@the_social_gammer1976]

Sheetz is better then wawa

[@BlackBullNDN]

Am I missing something or can you only draw one card off Dhalsim?

[@ary31415]

It's one per player you dealt combat damage to

[@BlackBullNDN]

@@ary31415 ahhh ok thanks

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Ew.

[@ingolf82]

they say math is for blockers. Dhalsim has the "one or more" clause.. so if you deal damage with 5 creatures you only draw 1 card, thats sad.

[@aktheuite]

One or more damage to each player

[@ingolf82]

@@aktheuite ah, right, so you can attack everyone and draw 3 cards, nice.

[@damandalorian970]

Pronoums? Wtf

[@firstandlast.1254]

They're hopelessly intoxicated on the juice. Hopefully the fad passes soon.

[@iclimbeverything2990]

Hmmm I wonder which is better, a selesnya guy with 3 totally irrelevant effects and one card draw effect, or a partner orzhov commander with the same only-good-ability that can get any 2 other colors in it's colors

[@YaqoubAlTayib]

Is this magic edh or fortnite!? Jesus, do walls exist? Why does everything have to be a crossover after covid?