What's the new Survivor Meta Build? | Dead by Daylight

A brief video discussing the previous Survivor meta perks and what new perks will, in my personal opinion, replace them.
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[@d.c1820]

I feel as though the options for one specific 'meta build' have widened greatly. Which is nice but it also feels like most are dependent on being paired with another friend's build. SoloQ just kind of suffering right now.

[@RoyalCrest-LetsPlaysAndMore]

I feel like there really isn't much of a "meta build" for survivors now, besides like Prove Thyself being a necessity with the most viable strategy being to gen-rush and GTFO. Most solo builds now seem like they fall into a "sometimes they work, sometimes they don't" category, which is really unfortunate.

[@nolives]

And if solo que suffers everyone suffers in matchmaking times. They could easily make perks act differently when solo que.

[@rowdyruffmojo]

i disagree...ive only been solo qing and have had great success. even if i don't make it out, it really feels like an earned kill rather than cheap shots.

[@AzalofForossa]

@@Tone_Of_Dials "Solo queue is impossible so I just afk hiding until I get hatch, gg ez noobs hope you eat shit next game"

[@Dork8]

Ive always thought Solo was hard. It’s no doubt harder than before but like, it’s not like pre-patch solo was sunshine & rainbows it still sucked so it kinda feels the same to me

[@Croutonking65]

Distortion has really been working out for me. Started running it after seeing so many killers running Lethal Pursuer.

[@Flaqqitoo]

yea it can counter some killer addons completely

[@mckenzieschmitt2841]

It’s a great team perk BC then everyone can counter it or use auras against the killer.

[@BadShotDR]

The fact that you can still be in chase and still get Distortion tokens back (unlike Stakeout and Diversion where you can’t be in chase), is bonkers good

[@giovanni2910]

Shadow Step is also clutch with CoH as it hides your aura forever as long as you're within the boon radius. I mainly use it against bbq and nurses.

[@SuperHarleyQuinn]

I think I am going to start running distortion all the leathal and bbq.

[@mohammeddarbi6100]

“That’s the goal at least“

[@nyeronic1439]

Piece by piece, he will put himself together...

[@SWishV13]

He is just replaced with another android trying to achieve what his predecessor wanted.

[@RishiDotto]

That would be a skinwalker goal too, curious

[@socratias]

“And today we’re gonna talk about meta perks”

[@adamirnukic4594]

I'd love a video like this for killer too, even though that would probably be harder since every killer's unique

[@johnblunt5243]

oh I'm sure we'll get a 1-2+ hour video telling that

[@sarahdumby]

thanat + dying light

[@lukeizawesomexd8894]

I've already seen a doc "meta" using terrifying presence, lullaby, overcharge, and that storm perk sdako has.

[@voidofme9192]

@@lukeizawesomexd8894 I started playing these perks in doctor before the update. They're so fun together lol. Now it's even stronger

[@jordankibbee3441]

If you want to be scummy Thana, scourge pain resinance and or gift of pain, deadlock, or jolt people will just give up and rightfully so

[@yosukehanamura9615]

interesting how almost all of these options require a “team” which sometimes is lacking in solo Q, not a problem with Otz’s philosophy but rather solo survivor atm

[@jakewhitmore6046]

I’m Just running adrenaline resilience self-care and spirit burst

[@jakewhitmore6046]

And bringing a tool box usually

[@Sheridan2LT]

Buff solo queue, don't buff all perks so there's an easy and simple solo queue build that always works lol

[@MrFusion]

@@jakewhitmore6046 I'd rather bring a medkit instead of Self-Care, frees up a slot and gives faster heals

[@umutyigit4918]

@@Sheridan2LT Solo queue just needs a actual mmr fix so that players who actually do things can get out of the potato zone. This will fix the issue. The potatos will just play with potato killers and survivors and will think it is normal. Where as better players move up. Right not it is just kills and escapes which anyone can get.

[@nyeronic1439]

I like the idea that the meta is slowly becoming less obvious and more diluted among Killers and Survivors. It's a dream I have that every survivor and killer I face will have a unique and colourful set of perks I haven't seen in synergy before.

[@soIzec]

I'm testing out various perks to see what perks I will like the most, an idea I have is using babysitter (guardian) to see if it stacks with the basekit speed boost from the unhook. If I am correct, then my unhooked teammates now move at 114% when I unhook them.

[@jemgg]

Iron will was fine tbh should’ve just fixed the breathing issue

[@nyeronic1439]

@@soIzec I love that, this is a great example. Many changes to the basekit means that perks now enhance existing effects rather than introduce something wholly new, thus encouraging survivors to really experiment with stacking. I think this is really positive; its reinforcing an 'every survivor can do this, but based on what build you have, you may do it better' approach

[@annesophiiie8340]

Even before the latest update, i used random perk combinations so the new meta isn't too difficult to adapt too for the moment. 😅

[@ddd4040]

@@soIzec Otz made a video about that already, they absolutely can stack. Basekit increase + Guardian + No one left behind, will make you move faster than the killers. If they also have Hope when they're unhooked they'll be moving about as fast as 2 stacks of PWYF, ludicrously fast.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

Have been running Sprint Burst, Off the Record, Prove Thyself, Borrowed Time. The baked in BT is too short to do anything. Prior to this, I ran stuff like Stake Out, Empathy, Ace in the Hole, etc. I don't really like running meta but you need to now. Biggest consequence has been the number of effective perks has been reduced dramatically.

[@Chrys0lis]

My favorite artist is a dbd enjoyer?

[@dovahgoatdragonbear3075]

@@Chrys0lis ong

[@yuppersmeer6080]

I really feel the whole need to run meta perks now. I've been running non-meta or max 1-2 meta perks fairly consistently (for at least past 2 months) before this update, but now it's almost impossible to do that.

[@MaryBluePL]

Exactly. I rarely ran Decisive and almost never Dead Hard before update, now I feel the need to have Off the Record in all matches... So, the meta was changed, sure, but there is simply a new meta, and not, as the devs probably thought, wider array of perks that people will choose from.

[@FusionSunWarrior]

@@yuppersmeer6080 i dont know what lobbies did you have but me playing Killer i Always Played against 4 DH,DS,Unbreakable and Prove thyself I find it much more chill now as survivor too Not being dependent on DH

[@dardade3277]

I've been wondering if 'faster unhook' perks will be more useful against face camping killers. Now that the basic attack hit cooldown is shorter, it can become difficult to tank a hit to go through an unhook action if the killer is already right there (usually it's successful, but you'll end up on the ground without enough time for the unhooked survivor to tank a hit with their Endurance, so you're back where you started assuming the unhooked survivor can even get away). I've been looking at Desperate Measures and even Leader to help with this but I don't think I've seen tremendous results. I might try out No One Left Behind, since many killers will begin to facecamp starting then if they have someone on the hook.

[@yosenpaitommy213]

Killers will camp at 3 or 4 gens to cuz they don’t wanna lose.

[@KryptidShadow]

It's indeed more useful. I've encountered killers with STBFL and I use desperate measures which still allows me to unhook if need be or if they try to interrupt. It's too fast. Which is why I use it over botany or I just run both

[@weskintime4177]

@@yosenpaitommy213 Wraith’s will camp from game start if they get the chance

[@RecentCobra]

@@weskintime4177 I was going to say that's Bubba, but last bubba I went against didn't camp, but the Nurse before him did

[@xulip4]

@@yosenpaitommy213 if they're camping at 3/4 gens you can just pop them all and leave with a 3 escape awarding the killer even less bp than the dead survivor. there's no way a killer that camps at 3/4 gen wins provided survivors have half a clue of what they're doing

[@XLbuffLive]

I think "We'll Make It" always was and will be very good and time efficient perk that available to everyone from the start.

[@Murasame13]

I had been using we'll make it with BT, WGLF, and dead hard since I first started playing and got a basic grasp of the game. I didn't realize DH was meta or crutch until later but I changed it out for just a random perk that I feel like using.

[@lumaelodie]

we’ll make it is good but tbh with the rise of camping and tunneling a lot of times you dont even have time to heal the person you unhooked because either you or them are getting chased immediately after

[@outminder]

Since the update I've been running alert. Due to the killers side kicking gens more often its coming in really useful for information on where the killer is and what they're up to!!

[@AkaEbone]

Been running alert too, its paying off like 10+ times per game. I imagine kindred would be really good too though

[@outminder]

@ryan Mcluckie yeah kindred is good! Although at the minute if you haven't seen alert trigger it normally means they're camping :D

[@ich9582]

Ive been playing blast mine because everyone kicks gens now

[@RitzMalheur]

I really disagree that Adrenaline is the new "Meta". The games last longer and are overall tougher for Survivors. It was already a situational perk in my opinion because you don't ALWAYS make it to End-Game. I'd rather run a perk I can get consistent value throughout the match.

[@Flaqqitoo]

they dont actually last longer, in fact, they last about 22 seconds less than before

[@RitzMalheur]

@@Flaqqitoo Are you dizzy?

[@oliverbrinker8730]

Adrenaline gives you value before endgame because you can play a lot more aggressive for the last 2 gens, which in my opinion are the hardest 2 gens to do

[@Flaqqitoo]

@@RitzMalheur always, why?

[@theslavicrat3784]

@@RitzMalheur No like rly. The games feel longer because progress is slower but loss of progress on gens is also lower as most good gen regr perks were nerfed to the ground

[@theitalianmexican1035]

I have loved Distortion since it came out, and seeing it got heavily buffed in this update made me very happy. Been using it every match, even though I already was.

[@fd3spark677]

In solo Q, I enjoy running Kindred + Open Handed so I can see what the killer is doing, especially a proxy camp when a teammate is on the hook; or if teammates are sitting on gens, and likewise gives my teammates that information when I’m on hook.

[@Wad3y]

u gotta use windows for solo q, helps a lot w info knowing the killer is there like if a pallet drops u know the killer is there not to mention u dont know where pallets are bc youre solo

[@molterv4929]

My build so far has been: Balanced landing - Perfect for those awkward gens at hills or balconies and can gain serious distance. The killer is also not likely to expect it and can even get you out of chases for example , blind the killer and then silently fall to get away. Off the record - For obvious reasons (Tunneling at 5 gens killers) Windows of opportunity - Being able to see all windows and pallets makes your chases much more consistent which buys your team more time to work on gens and whatnot Finally, a team perk of your choice such as kindred (to let u know ur being camped and who is closest to you), CoH (save time by giving the ability for everyone to solo heal whilst others do stuff) and prove thyself (to make gens and bloodpoint gains less miserable)

[@itshammy6285]

@Nemmy Wemmy Boon, its crazy OP in my opinion i think every team should always have 1

[@maintainrain]

kindred is a must have in solo q

[@molterv4929]

@@maintainrain yea I wish it was base kit honestly

[@Wad3y]

@@maintainrain same with windows

[@Zorroark]

I've really been liking Lightweight in combination with either Off the Record or Iron Will, I know Iron Will got nerfed but not everyone has their headset volume up to the max in order to hear survivors that are 75% quieter. I've ended up losing quite a few killers in chase because they focused more on the scratch marks over the blood. I know Lightweight still isn't a great perk but I like it and that's something I never thought I'd say about Lightweight of all perks.

[@coffee8599]

I love lightweight! I escape more chases now than I did with dead hard.

[@jonasdj2950]

Did they change lightweight? If not then it actually helps the killers if they catch on you have to, they know if they see your scratch marks that you are exactly behind them

[@lazerax9]

@@jonasdj2950 it removes scratch marks 2 seconds sooner than before at max level

[@HB-fq9nn]

@@jonasdj2950 Lightweight makes scratch marks disappear 3 seconds sooner, as well as makes them more sporadic, so it’s less clear which direction a survivor ran.

[@jonasdj2950]

@@lazerax9 yes did you read?

[@Glockacado]

For myself, I somehow made a build of perks that hadn't been changed too much. I had been playing with any means necessary, bond, auto didactic, and adrenaline ALOT. It has worked well for me, but I think I'm going to be making ALOT more team oriented builds

[@nolives]

If youre solo que having team builds is necessary unless youre trying to solo survive.

[@PowerV3]

My build is pretty much the same except I’m using Aftercare instead of Bond

[@Glockacado]

@@PowerV3 I've always wanted to use aftercare more, but I'll always slip up and get myself hooked so I'm worried about getting good value out of it

[@twoshu8940]

That’s a fucking wildly bad build but hey if it works it works

[@Glockacado]

@@twoshu8940 see it LOOKS terrible in theory, but overall I just have alot more abilities to utilize. I'm pretty good at looping killers regularly to the point of being comfortable not running anything to help me loop. And I've gotten plenty of value from autodidact as well. And bond is just kinda a filler perk, so I can avoid running into teammates while looping

[@Murasame13]

Before the rework, I was running builds for fun with the rework in mind. Situational Awareness, Prove Thyself, We'll Make It, and Adrenaline is a very powerful build when it works. Sometimes it doesn't, but that's okay for me. Also, I don't 4 man swf + I'm a killer main so I'm not great at survivor but those perks make it fun for me

[@stgizops3181]

I love how he finds something creative for every intro, how he never runs out of ideas

[@paradieswav]

thanks otz! video helped alot to get a new grip into the new meta , i was pretty much confused which perks i need to use and HOW i need to use them and i think this was the biggest problem of mine knowing in this patch how to play and how to use perks efficiently

[@thefakejoel7323]

You should definitely make a version of this for the killer perk meta, it'd not only help out new players who aren't too sure whats good anymore and it's also an extra Otz video :)

[@tibetsonmez6664]

There's no set meta for all killers though

[@xcx000]

@@tibetsonmez6664 I’ve been seeing a lot of killers run thana lately in this new update

[@kmel3588]

killer meta is thana + 3 other regression perks and watching as solo que survivors collapse under pressure or give up

[@thefakejoel7323]

@@xcx000 yeah thana has been run by almost every killer I've gone against except like 2 which was a pinhead and I can't remember the other

[@ShinDarkShadow]

I kept running into thana + sloppy ugh

[@xxLiquidxxSnakExx]

I've been playing around with a lot in the days since the patch and what worked best for me so far (solo queue player, SWF is obviously more effective) is pretty much in line with what you came up with in this video: Prove Thyself, Circle of Healing, OTR and an exhaustion perk. I've originally used Overcome but I'm trying to play with SB now... I always hated SB but its versatility compared to the other exhaustion perks can't be denied (since you can use it whenever you want as long as it's ready) and I usually try to get the most value out of the perks I bring so SB seems like the most logical choice. It's refreshing how Survivors for the first time since I started playing in late 2018 are in total disarray and try out a wide variety of stuff to see what works best for them instead of just going for the default "What else?" combo of DH, DS, BT, Unbreakable. Maybe exchange 1 or 2 of these perks for Iron Will, Circle of Healing, Spine Chill, Resilience or SB but that's all the variety you used to get for years, at least with experienced players. Right now you see a lot of different builds, especially a lot of different exhaustion perks, many SB or Lithe, some Overcome, BL and even nerfed DH, many Survivors I've seen not using any exhaustion perks at all (e.g. in favor of the nerfed Iron Will so exhaustion isn't an issue). Say what you will about the 6.1.0 patch but this breath of fresh air was desperately needed on the Survivor side (because Killer meta already kept changing constantly due to Killers getting far more interesting new stuff - like Undying or Pain Resonance - but also far more meta-changing nerfs, buffs and reworks).

[@jakebarnett2810]

Would love to see a killer version of this as well! Personally been really enjoying running the new Dark Sense.

[@SmnMkrll]

I love the combo smash hit and parental guidance, its so nice for clutching and making time

[@squishiestrosie]

I've legit been running a building including only perks you showed off for the new meta and its seen me performing the best on my team and escaping the most. Definetly gonna back up this video with my own anecdote

[@thorbjerrum815]

Maybe as the "unhooker of the team" you could run Overcome + Inner Strengh + Detectives Hunch + Borrowed Time to be even further supportive, but still able to heal and carry a flashlight or toolbox with you?

[@Syreal1234567890]

Maybe run OTR instead of Hunch? That's pretty close to where I'm headed

[@Murasame13]

Bruh how you gonna make an "unhooking build" but not mention We'll Make it. Such an underrated perk!!

[@Loafdd]

Spritburst is everywhere now. It’s not half as terrible as dead hard, but with pretty much everyone dashing away the moment you find them at the start of a match, it can be pretty annoying. On the plus side, it’s funny to see so many survivors slowly walk around all of the time lmao

[@Ross516]

Rise up Fearmonger meta!

[@0Winkleson0]

It's just a good all around perk. It also really helps with tunneling with the new BT changes and off the record.

[@difference3maker36]

When I see sprint burst and lithe at least I’m not going to get my hit screwed over by DH. This patch has been different not one person has run dh there all running new perks

[@bloxer9563]

@@Ross516 it helps with 99ing SB 💀

[@bensoontm5244]

that's why I run fixated/self-aware on top! Good to recover during chases, breaking LoS sometimes means a free escape ( used to be stronger with old iron will/ now off the record against toxic tunnelers )

[@litasatit]

Thanks otz, needed a vid like this since I take such long breaks

[@5ickly]

a combo i enjoy rn is off the record, second wind, sprint burst, vigil vigil not only helps me use sprint burst a lot more efficiently especially outside chases bc i can easily get it back is great, but it works with second wind as well because it reduces the broken timer and heals me up much quicker, great anti tunnel combo if it works as planned too

[@anarkeys]

just hit iridescent again after not playing for about a year (was rank 1) and just would like to say lightweight has been really good for me as an anti-tunnel perk. a lot of killers simply just get lost in certain loops and are forced to go somewhere else. also really funny to see the killer try and find you when you're at a whole other tile

[@YJL186]

yesss lightweight and new lucky break have been so good for me

[@Sharpy_0]

I use Sprint Burst,Soul guard,Unbreakable and Adrenaline.These perks have been helping me a lot,considering my teammates always try to go for fl saves,so they either get the saves,or the killer finds the survivor and downs them,giving me enough time to use my unbreakable,then run away with sprint burst(Sometimes I switch soul guard for deliverance,but i prefer to use deliverance while playing with my friends).BTW,ty Otz for sharing these builds and for the work you put in your videos,they are really helpful!

[@cleigh3796]

I was hoping you'd do a video like this after the recent update. Bless you.

[@AngryecksButActually]

I started playing right when the update dropped and I cant find a single video besides this one on what to do now, thank you!

[@jamesnolan595]

I’m really loving new no one left behind with BT it really helps avoid the late game tunnel situations that can a rise with the DS changes

[@GeneralLegoshi]

You never get to end-game now since the new patch. Most killers I encounter facecamp at 5 gens.

[@youngchristopher14]

@@GeneralLegoshi I played 5 matches today and 6ish last night. Didnt encounter a single face camper..

[@Sheridan2LT]

"Late game tunnel situations" oh my god dude you mean you wanna deny the Killer 1 kill to get a 4-man escape lol

[@jamesnolan595]

@@Sheridan2LT well that’s the idea yes, I like winning where I can

[@jamesnolan595]

@@Sheridan2LT or at the least one for one to let my mate out

[@Wulfjager]

Off the record, alert, kindred, and choice of exhaustion perk sounds like a pretty solid solo queue build

[@BingoCrunchyton]

Been waiting for this video, my experimenting has left me with really fun builds but not that many escapes. Thank you Otz.

[@kittiepaws2838]

This is great info Otz! The build I’ve been using since the update is Sprint Burst, Blast Mine, Prove Thyself, and Adrenaline. Its been working out good for me!

[@fourtysix4646]

Everyone sleeping on the new lightweight, used it in like 30% of my builds yesterday and every time I had it I seemed to lose the killer at least once or twice a match.

[@wig.snatcher]

I've been running sprint burst with lightweight and it's so fun sometimes

[@ha7136]

Facts, scratch marks disappearing 5 seconds earlier and being much more spaced out is hugeeee; I tested it with Nancy’s focus perk and it made a noticeable difference.

[@danny743]

Yeh youre right, tried it myself last night and kept losing killer so easy.

[@arcarc2663]

The one bit of joy I had going up against some toxic TTV facecamping hard-tunneler (literally never left basement after hooking first person there) was seeing him rage about my scratch marks when I went to check the stream to see how Lightweight looked from his side.

[@adanmartinezpiano]

Me losing a survivor is my worst nightmare. So much time wasted! I can at least find solace knowing that the other side is having some mad lulz.

[@hauntown1058]

Since killers have been kicking gens more often, I've been having some fun with Blast Mine! Not really meta, but it's hilarious and has provided some opportunities to help hooked teammates.

[@h2ojr1]

not since I was pallet freddy years ago have I felt such euphoria as watching the gen explode in their face. Sprint burst + blast mine being able to bolt away just as the killer reaches me at the gen usually incentivizes them to kick it since they are already right there.

[@RoyceRemix]

Such a cohesive and well-articulated analysis as always, thanks Otz! Would love to see a version for the killers ;D

[@StevensonMD]

I still like having deception in my build. Its a fun one that has saved me many times mid chase, and also saved others on my team by using it to draw the killers attention across map when they are about to find a near dead team mate.

[@rolluponyostreet]

*before meta shakeup* my perks- dead hard, iron will, borrowed time and decisive *after meta shakeup* my perks- sprint burst, vigil, adrenaline, off the record i really do recommend these 4 perks because actually my escape rate is funnily enough higher than what it used to be. vigil is absolutely amazing, i’ve been using sprint burst with it and i already have sprint burst back super quickly, i’ve used sprint burst 3 times in one chase because of vigil. adrenaline is used to ensure a health state endgame, this is crucial because this can save your life. plus it gives you a free sprint burst for 5 seconds instead of 3, and because of vigil you recover your exhaustion within 28 seconds instead of 40, you can get sprint burst back and in use for endgame if needed. then off the record, well the new anti tunnel perk and plus you could take 2 hits for teammates if needed because you dont lose the endurance if you are healed. this build is great and like i said i really do recommend it for anyone who wants a build to try or need a build because they are struggling to escape. also a bonus to vigil is it recovers you from multiple other negative effects. i was exposed by a nemesis using iridescent umbrella badge and he found me whilst i was still exposed and vigil saved my life because if i didn’t have vigil he would’ve downed me instantly with the exposure but i was lucky enough that vigil reduced the 60s.

[@GeneralLegoshi]

I've been enjoying Head On, Dance With Me, Flashbang, and Quick and Quiet. You jump out lockers, stun killers, drop flashbang, blind them, and then disappear with Dance with Me. You even get more flashbangs now thanks to the extremely long gens and slowdown.

[@tiazoh]

This already exists

[@evelynnsingleton1211]

"Extremely long" *10 seconds*

[@neaable4990]

not really, flashbang proc from percent of proggres not time like repressed alliance

[@trinidoc259]

Replace Dance with Me with Parental Guidance. You'll escape more often!

[@neaable4990]

@@trinidoc259 wow dude, i didnt think of that, thanks

[@UmiGamez]

Exactly the vid I been waiting on lmao! I need to know what meta perks to run now

[@saudf5921]

I would love a new short video of all killer new builds especially after the update

[@isaacsimpson8098]

I think overcome is probably best. Sprint burst is unreliable and it helps to ensure you can actually get somewhere when you are hit.

[@horroranimelover1421]

A personal favourite combo of mine as of late has been boon shadow step and boon dark theory. Pre-update the 2% haste effect wasn’t very useful, but now it’s saved me in chases a few times. Pair these with the 9% increase to vaulting from resilience and it’s very fun. A perk that’s been surprisingly good as well for me is sole survivor. I don’t like capitalizing on the death of my teammates, but being a solo que survivor means I often get survivors who are newer to the game. Whilst the perk itself isn’t really helpful, it’s incredibly clutch in the endgame as the last survivor. If you pair it with wake up, exit gates are opened incredibly fast. This build is super niche, but is very fun when it works.

[@lumaelodie]

i’ve been trying out desperate measures recently and its actually gotten an indirect buff. because of the rise in camping killers and the reduced weapon wipe animations, getting out of a hook trade alive is almost impossible now. but with desperate measures you have the similar timing of the prepatch so you can do a dead hard play or have more time for your unhooked teammate to take a hit for you

[@hyw4rsVAL]

Thanks otz for this video it really help me

[@theslanderousgent4475]

I do think a Sabo, Breakout, BT, and mettle of man is quite an interesting build to run. Saw a Steve using it and it really caused me some trouble cause he was a beast at looping. Obviously very niche but definitely helped his team when he was being chased as they did gens, and then appeared to help people when they were on their way to hook. I really hope this patch makes people run more interesting builds rather than just sticking to one particular set meta

[@f3bq163]

you mean survivors? Cause we all know killers are gonna run the same 4 stack regression build as always (worse when plague/legion with thanat)

[@theslanderousgent4475]

@@f3bq163 I personally usually just go for 1 slowdown perk. Running 4 is overkill and fucking obnoxious. Completely agree with your point though for sure

[@mineatomtr]

@Pablo Legaza the wiggle speed?

[@tiga8600]

I had some with a Sabotage and excellent timing on thier part to force me to go to another hook

[@fitnessgrampacertest845]

@Pablo Legaza Breakout doesn't stack like that.

[@Angel9thRune]

Recently, I've been feeling the need to equip Resilience on all of my builds because of the amount of killers I've bumped into since post patch using Thana. I've seen nonstop Thana for the past few days since the patch, and I feel like Resilience is going to end up being mandatory for your builds, especially considering the extra ten seconds on gens plus Thana on top of it.

[@archmagemc3561]

i've been having fun with Unbreakable, flip flop, and power struggle. i've stunned so many killers with this combo, and a ton of times. they just give up on chasing me after the power struggle out of either frustration, or respect. You also forgot to mention Botany Knowledge. with a green medkit you can heal yourself or someone else so insanely fast that you can sometimes heal someone else or yourself mid chase.

[@Bunbunnyny]

I still think that a 4-man Fast Track would be super incredible for gen rushing amidst the slowdown meta, especially when paired with a couple Prove Thyselves.

[@WallaceRochaTeixeira]

I really don't care about DH nerfs but everything else (killer buffs, less delay on hits, less speed boost on survivor hit) added on top of that really killed any chance of enjoying the game for me. Also Spine Chill was really important for me because I can't use headphones.

[@nolives]

To be honest I dont know why devs do this. Just buff underperforming stuff, instead they nerfed literally everything.

[@alexandermedina9886]

Well, Premination is the new spine chill. But it has a cool down of 30 seconds. But will counter stealthy killers too.

[@HB-fq9nn]

They adjusted the spine chill change though. The perk icon changes brightness depending on how close/loud the terror radius is. I think it’s bugged at the moment, so it goes from bright to dark, rather than dark to bright. So it’s still useful for non-headphone wearers.

[@lordhahaproductions]

git gud

[@SkySoFew]

I usually hate the Git Gud mentality but I really think it applies here.

[@Mytea1]

imo vigil to recover 30 % faster from certain status effects especially exhaustion was really good before the patch and still is really good after the patch. i also like lightweight since it now reduces how long scratch marks stay visible by 5 seconds, so 2 seconds more on each stage compared to before. it let me lose the killer multiple times already in chases. oh i forgot...i didn't use that perk yet, but hope gives u permanently 7 % haste status now when the end game occurred. so that's definitely a good end game perk for everybody, too.

[@overratedfool6900]

I thought Vigil sucked before. It was so rare that a killer dropped chase after you used DH, that it was almost a waste of a perk if you used DH. Combine that with how Adrenaline also didn't pair so well with DH as often it could literally take you from having 2 health states (you're injured with DH) to having 1 health state (full health vs NOED). Adrenaline also pairs well with Vigil obviously, as it's a second way to exhaust yourself... Sprint burst, Adrenaline, Vigil, Whatever (I'm mostly using Windows). All three of these perks are now much better because DH is gone. That's what I'm using anyway. I'd probably take the old DH and 2 blank perk slots over them, but this is the next best thing. P.S. I'm not sure I agree about Hope, simply because when are you reaching the endgame these days? It's better when it goes off, but it doesn't go off nearly as often, which more than cancels that out.

[@Mytea1]

​@@overratedfool6900 well i'm not the survivor who just relied on dead hard anyways and if you used sprint burst like most ppl should do now after the dh nerf vigil comes in handy pretty much. the problem ppl didn't get a use out of vigil while using dead hard most likely was because dead hard was used for distance which is now gone. dh wasn't actually meant for this because if u used dead hard you got an endurance status and if you are hit you gain a speed boost from a "hit". if i wasn't exhausted on the ground due to dh i got away many times. despite that vigil obviously pairs better with any other exhaustion perk. lithe, overcome and balance are a good combination with vigil. besides that it doesn't just reduce the time of exhaustion, but also crucial status effects like exposed being the most crucial imo. i had several matches i could tank a hit cause i wasn't exposed that long and also u share this effect with ur teammates so it's even a team perk to a certain extend. i would never use adrenaline cause of vigil though. adrenaline only kicks in at the endgame just like hope does. so it's not really different from that perk. you are healed which is very crucial, but u can't use adrenaline again once it's used so vigil is useless in that case and the speed boost is 150 % for 4 seconds. hope gives u permanent 7 % movement speed now. i have outrun many killers that weren't distance killers already with hope. it also gives you a better chance at finding the hatch before the killer if you happen to be the last survivor alive. well i reach the endgame quite often these days except i'm getting matched with a rank 1 killer and like rank 15 to 20 survivors in my team. if the team is good then i can reach the endgame and as said adrenaline doesn't kick before endgame has started, too. so it would also be useless if you don't reach the endgame. besides that i have used windows very much before the dh nerf, too. it didn't just get good cause of the dh nerf. it was good before.

[@overratedfool6900]

@@Mytea1 - Why are you repeating yourself? - Why are you explaining how perks work? - Vigil does have a use when reducing Adrenaline's exhaustion time, it helps your exhaustion perk. - You can't see player ranks anymore. - Adrenaline helps before the endgame. It saves you 32 seconds of wasted healing at 1 gen remaining. - I didn't even talk about Windows and if I did I certainly wouldn't have said that this update made it better. I say I use it in my 1 free perk slot post update and your conclusion from that is that I didn't use it in one of my 3 free perk slots pre update?

[@overratedfool6900]

@@Mytea1 Oh and you will be reaching the endgame less. Not only is it obvious that killers have been buffed, the devs have outright stated that their aim is to do exactly that. You will be reaching the endgame less after this update.

[@Mytea1]

​@@overratedfool6900 - why should i have repeated myself? - why not? - it does, but i don't use it for that and "adrenaline ignores an existing exhaustion timer" - i know, but i could before the update - how does it save 32 secs at 1 gen IF "once the exit gates are POWERED, instantly heal one health state and sprint at 150 % of your normal running movement speed for 5 seconds"? (exit gates are powered means 5 gens done) - you did talk about windows "Sprint burst, Adrenaline, Vigil, Whatever (I'm mostly using Windows)" (maybe u meant the windows itself, but yeah)

[@Xo_jessy]

i like running sprinburst, off the record, dark sense, and windows of opportunity. when i’m doing a gen and the killer comes by, i can sprintburst to a pallet or window. if i’m doing a generator and dark sense activates, i can see if the killer is chasing a survivor or if they’re coming to me. And finally, off the record is used to prevent tunneling and to waste the killer’s time if they commit to me!

[@Mann_Person]

This seems very interesting! So helpful! I'd love to see one on the Killer side too, definitely!

[@dawsonwarren1121]

If you're playing solo queue, Aftercare can be extremely good. It's essentially universal aura reading on all survivors, you just have to save/heal them to activate it and will show you who is in chase (therefore where the killer is), whether you can bodyblock for them, whether they're doing gens, etc

[@kutoro4497]

Solo que build imo: Circle of healing Off the record Lithe Prove thyself/renewal I find it being consistently decent

[@Wad3y]

nah nah u wanna have some kind of info perk imo like kindred and windows

[@CrauGaming]

Been running Sabotage and its pretty nice to give team alot of information aswell with scourge hook call outs and similarly aswell as clutch saves by disabling a hook near the killer when he's carrying a survivor... Not the best for sure but I quite enjoy it

[@Archimedes.5000]

Otz: explains how new meta is going to be much different from the old one: The meta: just switches DS for Off the Record and BT for Adrenaline

[@arcarc2663]

I'm skeptical of OTR's usefulness. If the killer is close enough to be at the unhook, they'll just immediately hit you. If they're not, you likely have ample time to get away and/or heal. So the use case seems to be for campers who slug the unhooker first, or indecisive tunnelers. It's definitely more useful against highly mobile killers like Nurse, Wraith, Blight, Spirit etc who are more inclined to go far away and then return on unhook, but I've yet to have it help, or see it help teammates. I'm interested if people really are getting use out of it for anything besides gimmicky heal and then bodyblock kind of plays. In any case, the real problem with it is that it doesn't work with Unbreakable like DS to force the killer to choose between waiting it out or slugging. If they trigger it, they're already committed and not going to give up at that point. And even if they do, it still slows down the game from mending where old DS didn't.

[@cereyza]

yeah a killer trading 2 seconds for a whole mend from a survivor seems like it's in the killer's favor timewise compared to old DS

[@candyman9635]

Except it's 80 seconds of endurance so you can be a dick with it. It's BT on crack idk how you can see this as anything but utterly busted. EDIT: you also get free iron will cause why not.

[@IceyPuma]

It lets there be a chase after you get off the hook instead of going straight down. If you were hooked in a dead zone it’s useless but otherwise you can get to an area to loop. My main issue with OTR is the deep wound effect. Every time I get tunneled I still die bc my screen gets so dark while I’m in chase and I can no longer see where I’m going or where the killer is coming from. I don’t have time to mend while in chase and the killer knows that. I hate the endurance effect. They should’ve given us 40seconds of invulnerability instead of 80sec endurance.

[@candyman9635]

@@IceyPuma That's what the basekit BT is for. OTR makes it broken. You do not get invulnerability, that is never happening. And as for you screen getting dark, seems reasonable to me since you're bleeding out.

[@TheWeasel]

It helps me personally, mostly because the 5 seconds of built in endurance is often not enough against a killer that is close and wants to tunnel. Many are waiting the five seconds and then hitting after that. With OTR you don't have to rely on the built in or your teammate's BT.

[@silomonptolomeo3759]

Against the aura reading perks, I was used to have Sole Survivor. I have faced lately many Wraiths with that addon, who get quiet confused XD now with the buff it is excellent for gate escapes. The only nerf I quiet disliked and didn't see any sense in it was CALM SPIRIT. Nobody runs that, WHY adding the silence cleansing bones but slower?

[@lumaelodie]

the calm spirit nerf disguised as a buff makes me so sad. making totem cleanses slower actually makes a difference. no killer with a brain is gonna leave their totem if they don’t hear the sound of it breaking. they’re gonna check it fully especially now that they know it makes totem cleanses silent. no one used calm spirit and now definitely no one is gonna use it i cant lmao

[@divineknight9261]

I ended up tweaking your thematic Yui build from a few months back and its ended up being pretty nice! Deliverance, Lithe, Desperate Measures and DS(Might make this OTR). Desperate Measures has actually been really nice for the speed and Deliverance feels so good (When you aren't cursed to be hooked first, of course). That and running around with a build like that with the Mikasa skin just feels cool, I feel like a big hero :3.

[@BIGBoyBlazes]

I've started to duo on survivor and I'm very fond on for the people, soul guard, off the record, and sprint burst

[@bigfrekka2961]

My new favorite survivor build is; Mettle of Man, WGLF, Breakout/DH, and Flashbang.

[@simp1ysa1ty]

Mine still has to be lithe, windows, res. My fourth slot always ends up being something random since kitty cat perk got the vault speed taken off. I spend most of the game running the killer so it's usually something like bang that I can work towards whenever I lose the killer.

[@PoorIdentification426]

@@simp1ysa1ty Didn't Spine Chill's bonus get returned?

[@ShinDarkShadow]

@@PoorIdentification426 the vaulting one is still gone

[@BlueJayz474]

My personal build: - Open Handed - Bond - Spine Chill - Off the Record

[@nicholasboodhoo1675]

Spine chill is dead

[@BlueJayz474]

@@nicholasboodhoo1675 I think it was buffed

[@ShinDarkShadow]

@@nicholasboodhoo1675 only the vault speed is gone, still kinda solid imo

[@nicholasboodhoo1675]

@@BlueJayz474 nope. It only works if u can see the killer

[@nicholasboodhoo1675]

@@ShinDarkShadow nope, its dead

[@NickyWheeler]

my build for the past couple weeks has been FTP, Inner Strength, Vigil, DH. but with the DH change, i exchanged it for BT or Lithe. Vigil helping come back from the exhaustion and broken status has helped tremendously and using inner strength or even a med to go back to healthy and FTP again.

[@aethersome]

8:15 when i use for the people on someone they dont get we’re gonna live forever’s second effect

[@lukegrim3858]

I still like Iron Will over Off the Record. I know it's not o b j e c t i v e l y as strong but the endurance from OtR just isn't as crazy as it sounds outside of coordinated team plays. Doing virtually anything to progress the game cancels it so it's only super strong against the most extreme tunnelers. It'd be broken against any type of killer in endgame but it doesn't work there so meh

[@jonp1952]

And then you get a Spirit tunneling you because she can hump your back now due to your grunts.

[@Astrussy]

I only disagree because I tend to sólo q matches with people who can’t run killers at all, so the only way gens get done is if I do them (bc the teammates are all farming each other) or if I’m running killer and teammates do gens. So I run OTR just as a safeguard while I run killer as much as possible. I will say, however, some teammates will think I’m getting tunneled and sacrifice themselves to “save” me in a chase, but that’s rare.

[@spectictacular5557]

I really hope he does one of these but for the killers side. I’m confused on what perks to use for what killers now

[@electroeric4321]

I think lucky break pairs amazing with off the record , u get unhooked, you have no grunts of pain (completely silent), no scratch marks, no aura, no pools of blood, and on top of that endurance.. crazy

[@ratonthecrack530]

For me, I like to run sprint burst, vigil, desperate measures and borrowed time. Sometimes I swap desperate measures for babysitter. You can also try lightweight and distortion, then throw in circle of healing and maybe we’re gonna live forever. I’m just happy that now there’s a LOT more perks you can run, not just the same 4-6 perks.

[@romanbellic810]

Old Meta: Killer is afraid of you. New Meta: You are afraid of the Killer.

[@sorin_markov]

8:15 Hens's squad in the survivor winstreak actually found out that WGLF does not give endurance to someone picked up with For the People

[@bloxer9563]

You have to heal for like 0.2 secs longer so it registers

[@niewiemkurde900]

Maybe it wasnt activated

[@brodiemorris2081]

That's just false I used that combo yesterday and it worked fine

[@sorin_markov]

@@brodiemorris2081 Maybe the other person had another source of endurance, because it definitely didn't work live on stream

[@sorin_markov]

@@niewiemkurde900 It was

[@GrantsGaming]

I think now perks like Guardian/Babysitter and Better Together will be used more, as Better Together can help teammates find gens and make Prove Thyself shine, and Babysitter can help with the speed boost even more. I used them both before the update and I kinda want to try them out more now.

[@woof7611]

THANK YOU! I am a brand new player and trying to understand perks was destroying my will to play. This video has helped me so much.

[@aladeen9031]

Great video as always Otz. Just wanna say that the team perks don’t have such value towards a soloq player. If the devs would ever invent in-game chat or voice, it would have greater value.

[@TrueChampion]

Only gigachads will continue to play to best meta perk out of all of em, Self Care.

[@joshsherer6462]

I'd like to just add in that second wind/renewal has helped me in countless matches. I'm running windows/second wind/OTR/sprint burst almost exclusively lately and I've had very fun games.

[@Kurse_of_Kall]

Would LOVE to see a killer meta breakdown, there's so many new builds and options!

[@romanbellic810]

Old Meta explained: The Killer is more afraid than the Survivors.

[@acoolnameemm]

I love that we have more team focus for the Survivors now

[@lavizhhh_9217]

Maybe depending on what u wanna profession in your meta can change. Gen rusher: PTS, Resilience, TINH, WMI Looper: SB, WOO, SA, Vigil Medic: WMI, BT, BK, BCOH Etc

[@draconia3343]

Botany is also pretty strong team perk as its healing speed can help with healing your teammates faster and the speed is pretty fast when paired with CoH

[@Pikwii]

I’ve been really loving Overzealous recently. Running it with counterforce helps, but just finding a dull totem and doing a gen in the corner 9% faster is under appreciated imo

[@cereyza]

the overwhelming majority of the time it's a net loss in time and can hinder your teammates by removing potential boon locations lol

[@LuchsYT]

I dislike it. High risk, low reward.

[@schmoferino]

@@LuchsYT What risk? You do a totem at the right time, when the Killer is busy, and you can secure it in half a minute tops. Gen progression in this era is always helpful with how much more time it takes.

[@LuchsYT]

​@@schmoferino High risk: Find a totem + do the totem + not get hit by killer + need to stick to a gen for a long time to make use of it. Low reward: Even if you fulfilled all conditions, 8% ain't much. Prove Thyself literally gets you double that amount and arguably procs more often in a n average match.

[@schmoferino]

@@LuchsYT Again, do the totem at a proper time. Yes, PT is a good perk that does the same thing, but any gen progress still helps. You can equip both, you know.

[@revellations7741]

Please do make a “new killer meta builds” video. It would be super cool if you gave us (in your opinion) three builds for each killer that FUNCTION but do PLAY DIFFERENT. Like: Rush down blight- Enduring, blood favour, crowd control, undying and 2 addons that pair well Gen protection legion/ wraith -discordance, addons to see gen progression, deadlock But 1/3 builds PER killer. I know it would be a ton of work but would be super neat to see your thoughts and if you did a video/clips of each build that would be a legendary video

[@endifernandez58]

I’ve been using Off the Record, Up the Ante, Slippery Meat, and either Renewal or Inner Healing cause I’ve just had no luck in Solo Q to depend on my teammates when I need them the most, but it’s worked out pretty well escaping

[@brandonsj96]

I be looking at some of the chase specific builds with perks like lightweight

[@Midnight_x_Sin]

My old build was borrowed time, dead hard, decisive strike, and we’re gonna farm forever. Now my new build is adrenaline, borrowed time, dead hard, and we’re going to live forever. I love this new meta

[@Visualize01]

Hot take: I think the new killer meta is gonna be something like Dead Mans Switch, Eruption, Call of Brine, and an information perk of choice. Definitely wanna see a killer video of this to see how right or wrong I am 😁

[@brettreedy9520]

I could also easily see Save the Best for Last being very meta as well. Endurance hits still count towards stacks so you can farm them off of survivors very easily

[@NotCptCrunch]

You genuinly won't need slowdown ~~Not like you really needed all that slowdown everyone used to bring if you just got better at the game and accepted that some games are tougher and not every match has to be a 4K at 5 gens with 12 hooks~~ after this update. Just bring chase/info perks.

[@cutmeloosebruce1955]

@@NotCptCrunch they haven’t addressed the actual reason why slowdown perks are necessary, so slowdown perks will still be necessary until they do something other than increasing gen times.

[@Visualize01]

@@NotCptCrunch Yeah you don't need them, but they'll still be meta lol. The core issue with coordinated teams/good survivors spreading out and cranking out gens way too fast at higher skill levels hasn't been addressed in any way, so slowing down the game is still going to be the most beneficial thing you can do regardless of how the game is going. That's what meta is.

[@Jersku]

After the update I've started running Hope way more frequently. Me and my friends that I usually play with get to end game around 50-75% of our matches so I'm comfortable on having it in my main build. The additional 7% movement speed is honestly a really nice bonus and has already saved me on several chases. Right now on my main build I most of the time run: Hope, Windows of Opportunity, Wake Up/Desperate Measures and We're Gonna Live Forever, love this build a lot honestly and don't plan on changing it for the time being

[@ReverendJRBobDobbs]

Definitely want to hear the killer meta analysis!

[@ll-rq5vu]

Thanks for this release, solo queue is absolutely horrible rn and I'll take anything I can get 😂

[@theziombgamer4889]

I honestly don’t think there should be a survivor meta. I feel like now survivor will be most powerful with everyone running different and diverse builds with something unique. If there’s a single meta it becomes way too predictable

[@GeneralLegoshi]

There's not many good perks for survivor though. Killers have a buffet of things to choose and abuse compared to survivors.

[@theziombgamer4889]

@@GeneralLegoshi there’s a fair amount of good perks to choose from though. Not just ones that are exhaustion or anything. But there’s great perks that no one talks about like Parental guidance. Parental guidance counts stuns as things you wouldn’t expect. Wiggling out, breaking free from Deathslinger chain, etc,

[@justmega9569]

@@GeneralLegoshi I play both sides roughly equally, and I don't agree with this statement at all. Each side has plenty of perks that have their uses, and plenty of useless perks as well of course. Saying there's not many good perks for survivor doesn't make much sense to me regardless, unless you're comparing them to pre-nerf Dead Hard.

[@DeviIInADress]

My new go to has been Sprint Burst, Fixated, & Lightweight. Along with Bond which I’ve always used.

[@niknaheartatak]

@Otzdarva Sorry if some of this is common knowledge. After trying the changed dead hard last night I compiled a list of negative changes as well as things that are the same but should be addressed: 1) cannot dead hard after falling from most elevated areas 2) buy yourself a health state or time in chase at the cost of 10 or so seconds mending 3) still requires sprinting a direction to activate (should change as now maintaining control of your character with the new dh is more important) 4) still suffered from dedicated hits The one good thing I noticed is it does seemingly last longer than a second by a very small margin.

[@AgentDigits]

Explaining the past meta... Interesting how 3 perks survivors used were there purely to counter unfun playstyles like camping and tunneling... but were labelled toxic by those who did those playstyles. It's also interesting how those killer playstyles increased now the update is here... Despite the devs lackluster attempts to make the playstyles "undesirable" Overall. I think this update is a mess for survivors and I understand why people are taking a break from the game... and unless some killer playstyles are nerfed or survivor perks buffed I doubt those people will come back without taking extended breaks again in the future. Why play if it's not fun? The devs nerfed survivor perks and failed to fillfill their promise of making the killer playstyles "undesirable" that made those perks necessary which has made playing survivor extremely awful. Playing survivor, especially as a solo survivor is awful. You can't play this game casually anymore. The game is currently a sweat fest and that's drawing people away.

[@CEFFYYNWA]

Yeah it's really killed the game. They haven't nerfed dead hard they've completely ruined it while also destroying loads of other survivor perks while buffing the shit out of killers. Incredibly unbalanced update and I say that as a killer main

[@Raiden777ify]

This just sounds like "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I don't win every game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My OP perks got nerfed waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!" to me. And I say this as someone who plays more Survivor than Killer.

[@Helena-me6mp]

no, DS was never toxic as a perk, the person who DSs you at the gate, clicky clickys and DHs out is. And if you want to make camping or tunneling undesirable, make killers stronger, then theres no need to do that.

[@-NoNo.]

While it’s true they were used to counter those play styles they did their job so well that they countered killers who don’t tunnel or camp and then some… I don’t like stacking regression and I don’t like tunneling or camping but the fact that nobody was scared of the killer in a ‘horror’ game spoke volumes to how unbalanced it was and many killers left the game understandably… they should’ve never touched ds stun time tho idk why they did that it was a balanced and fair perk that could be avoided

[@misterranjie]

BT and DS were also used agressively, and not to "Purely counter unfun playstyles". DS was used to jump into locker and fuck up Killer. It was also used for free escapes. BT Was used with DH to do non-safe unhooks.

[@revuplays6830]

Nice Video, helps a lot to deal with the new Meta. Please make a Video for the Killermeta too.

[@gtfjsht235]

For new players due to items now being kept when prestiging I think built to last will become a very popular perk

[@sojuiceeexists]

Ive been loving Prove, Desperate Measures, OTR, and Unbreakable or lucky break depending on what situations I have been having more often.