What the Big YouTubers DON'T Tell You About Trail Recovery!

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[@SierraMechanica]

@TFLoffroad thank you for having me on the channel! We had a fun day with you and hope everyone gets something valuable out of it.

[@jcart011]

This was excellent

[@surferbummg]

Can you give some suggestions for soft shackle and screw pin bow shackles?

[@jbcope1000]

You, sir, are a scientist of offroad recovery. Great information. Thanks for sharing

[@trailrunnah8886]

This was fantastic content, thank you for sharing all this info.

[@SierraMechanica]

@@jcart011 thank you!

[@justaname109]

The most amazing part about this video is that it’s free. The amount of high quality information in this video is incredible

[@PROutdoors94]

Everyone commenting “I could’ve had that LR out in 2 mins” needs a lesson on liability lol. If this is his business, he is liable for what happens to the customer’s vehicle and their safety. All his checks and balances are to ensure things are done the right and safe way. Great informative video.

[@CoryWatson]

Matts Offroad Recovery does it multiple times a day with customer vehicles 1000x faster, obviously they were trying to teach but I think I'll trust Matts recommendations since he has done it for years and years with probably thousands of recoveries.

[@Fiftyfiv3hundr3d]

@@CoryWatson Neat.

[@WW-wf8tu]

@PROutdoor94 And yet, nothing was stated about the legalities of recovering someone. There is the assumption that the person getting recovered won't sue you if something goes wrong. The assumption that if you are doing the recovery you have a clue about how to do it right and or safely so the people and the property goes unharmed/undamaged. 1st comment should be, if you don't know how to recover someone, don't try. ;) Don't try and be macho and make things worse.

[@WW-wf8tu]

@@CoryWatson I have watched enough of Matts Offroad to know that he does editing. lol And that he will be the 1st to tell you, he does not know everything and learns as he goes. He is a good guy. He's interesting. He means well. He gains experiences and gets better with each recovery to be more confident in what he is doing. But don't assume his speed is because he is a 1000x faster with 1000x more abilities. It is not a competition. He is not spending excessive time explaining everything in great detail about what he is doing and why.

[@Robert-hd4ld]

Well first off , he talks like he does this all the time, but he only has a 7000 lb winch? You would think he would have a 12000 lb in stead, kind of makes no sense. And I have never seen anyone pull out a card to add up weights. Chok the wheels, grab a snatch block to set a return line to add pull. Then simply winch it out. Guy is kind of making too much work out of it.

[@mikesawyer1336]

Okay I didn't realize I was going to learn something but this was educational... I'm humbled by this terrific episode!

[@dustywheeler6641]

Highly recommend Eric and any of his classes. He’s a great teacher and you get to have fun learning skills that could even be life saving.

[@SierraMechanica]

Thank you! I love sharing this info and also learn something every time I assist on a recovery or teach a class.

[@mightysp00]

I feel like I just watched a master class on the basics of vehicle recovery. Excellent!

[@CJ-rk5eg]

This guy is great. Great source of knowledge experience and safety oriented. Love this content and you should feature him regularly.

[@jimmy-buffett]

Psyched to finally get Eric on the channel! I've been wheeling in Colorado for years and Eric is one of the most knowledgeable and experienced offroaders that I've ever met. 20:07 about not pulling yourself down the hill, yeah I did that in this exact spot last year with my 4Runner 🙂

[@drewwright771]

Oddly enough, the big youtubers have told me that, repeatedly. And it was waaayyy more fun to watch.

[@paranormalwheelers]

Exactly

[@rondavis3232]

Welcome...to Jurassic Park!

[@ChristianPareATLAS]

🦕🦖🐊

[@nathanb6690]

Learned more from that video than any other recovery video I have watched. You guys should do a series with this guy! All different situations. Great video!

[@dreihll]

Remember your rope types, shackles, fail points, load capacities. winch run on, vehicle statuses. sign language, beep beeps and overall Boy Scout nomenclature and you can be an off road recovery rock star like this guy! Talk about a guy who knows his shit. Got me wondering how many times he’s failed miserably and learned from his mistakes. Usually guys like this will share at least one story of a rescue that went awry and the resulting catastrophic outcome. For some reason, I’m led to believe that this guy has never failed a mission! Will never be able to “un remember “ all of the great stuff shared in this video.

[@SierraMechanica]

Thank you! Every recovery is a learning experience, some with more lessons learned than others, and every time we learn something new.

[@Dusdaddy]

They really screwed that mud hole up when they dumped all that firewood in there. If they would have kept the logs long, it would have been better. Those short pieces just move aside and have a huge chance of flipping up and damaging a vehicle.

[@benwolf8011]

A series with recovering vehicles from different situations would be awesome with this guy. Excellent video.

[@raulgallardo5140]

Just watch Matts off road recovery

[@aerynlovell4754]

​@raulgallardo5140 Or watch 4WD 24-7 because they do winch recoveries every episode and show how recovery equipment is used. You can buy a complete Recovery Kit from "Snatch". This episode was mostly boring and theoretical. On 4WD 24-7 they explain how long to run the winch and how long to let it cool off while they are performing a winch recovery. It's funny that this "off-road channel" has taken this long to show proper recovery techniques and actual "rated recovery points" that are heavy steel brackets instead of the cheap "factory tow hooks" that they always make a big deal about.

[@maverick2242]

Definitely surprised, it popped up on my channel and thought Id watch why not, have allot of experience, but still learnt allot. Something I'm hot on is you are never an expert in recoveries and always learning, really looked forward to seeing more of this guy on the channel. Thanks.

[@DYNABIKE1]

This guy knows everything. Nice to have an " expert " who can answer All the questions. It shows He's been at it for 30 years - - ->>> !!

[@bigdaddy2955]

The stuck vehicle is able to help as well. This isn't a dead pull after all. A very important point, even though we are talking about a Range Mallrover. 😊

[@francoispanneton609]

Awesome video guys! So many things to think about when recovering a stranded vehicle. I’m keeping this one in my library for annual review. Thank you for the great work. Glad to see the younger generation taking more and more space on TFL. I’ve been a subscriber from the beginning! Cheers

[@SandyMasquith]

Thank you!!!! This information is so incredibly helpful. Like you said, "learned so much in so little time," but there's so much more to learn. I wish there was something near me in Southern Maryland that could teach this kind of thing. I am going to immediately improve the tow points on my 4Runner, and start looking for proper gear. Eventually I'll have a winch, but for now, I can at least have the proper gear for someone else's winch,. Thank you thank you thank you!!!

[@sirhcmi3]

That was by far the most informative demo I’ve ever seen! TY!

[@toddgibbs1321]

This is one of my favorite videos from you. I want to see things related to how I actually use my vehicle. I don’t drag race. I tow with my truck, I am starting to do more off road now that I have a jeep. This is the content people need. I think people would also benefit from understanding towing set up with weight distribution and clear explanations on how to tow properly. I know you do talk about it, but one dedicated video like this to go through different set ups would be very useful.

[@bobvedder2451]

I drove my CJ7 over a small hill and dropped both front wheels into a trench (aka "fighting position"). The jeep was resting on the frame, the front wheels hanging over the open pit. I used a high lifter jack raised the jeep off of the ground in the front and backed off of the jack which landed my wheels on the ground. Yay!

[@Last_Chance.]

This dude seems pretty cool

[@brettknighten1171]

There was alot said and only 5 points made 1 Get rated gear 2 Know how heavy it is 3 look at how stuck it is 4 Use only the force necessary 5 don't be in the kill zone

[@vernonbennettiii3646]

Excellent video. Really appreciate the methodical, step-by-step analysis of the SAFE way to achieve a successful recovery properly using a winch. Just a couple of criticisms (but my viewpoint does not take into account the very steep slope that probably does not show up well on camera): (1) THE most important piece of recovery gear to bring with you is a SHOVEL -- it'll dramatically simplify the analysis of your vehicle's situation when it's bogged, and it might actually help get your vehicle unstuck; (2) Traction Boards -- 4 of them -- one under each tire, or two semi-stacked under the tires that are deeply stuck. That will probably get most vehicles out of the situation on their own when used properly along with the judicious use of your shovel (and I speak from LOTS of experience getting stuck up in northern Michigan while deer hunting over past 50+ years!). I understand that Tommy's Land Rover recovery in the video was just an example, but from what I saw it seems that a shovel and 4 traction boards probably would have worked, and that is what I would have tried FIRST before resorting to a winch. Again, an excellent video. Hope you have the recovery expert back again real soon!

[@josephpeterson3446]

Plot twist - this guy charges by the minute 😆

[@f4murray]

Did anybody notice Tommy stepped over the rope instead of on the rope. This is a great video on recovery. Shows, take your time.

[@OriginalTrev]

LOL ...the whole point of the video is to illustrate how KZbinrs are kinda dumb when it comes to safe & proper procedures

[@goblintactical8312]

Probably the nerd in me, but really enjoyed the explanation of formula on his card.

[@feedrate1]

Definitely one of the best top 10 videos. Thanks to everyone involved 👍

[@user-jv2ol1yq9w]

All one needs is Matt's off road recovery!

[@jeremymerrix6236]

Yet to see the Matt's yankum break.

[@Stackali]

yup. he teaches alot while he is doing the recovery making it entertaining as well as educational.

[@Stackali]

@@jeremymerrix6236 because he knows to not use a worn out one. when its past its safe level of use, its time for a new one.

[@jamesm7642]

This was like a free recovery class.

[@CACressida]

Probably the best video TFL ever uploaded.

[@4-LOW]

This guy must be an engineer. He can take a problem that's stone age simple and turn it into four pages of calculus.

[@sunchaser999]

😂

[@adamtacheira5323]

Agreed. Wow! Must take days to do a recovery

[@SierraMechanica]

I try to keep it to just one page of simple math 😂 but I'll take that as a compliment - math can save a life!

[@jeremymerrix6236]

It dmv didn't give them a license in beginning that would save life's. Know your vehicle know it's limits or don't drive...

[@edwardbutera1362]

Awesome video! As always, quality, relevant content. Love Tommy’s charisma and enthusiasm.

[@ryt2carry]

Good video. It was long, but so much good information. Thanks very much and looking forward to more like this.

[@TFLoffroad]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@caifan444]

Great episode gotta absorb all this knowledge know!

[@wannabeangler]

I liked how he mentioned his gear is expensive but reliable from tests. Basics: tow straps, snatch rope, shackles and a bag to hold it all. You don't need the best of the best to use once or twice unless your are in the recovery business. Something is better than nothing. Also use a towel on the snatch rope or strap to aid in case of a break.

[@anengineer_]

Confirmed 👍

[@dustywheeler6641]

Winch line dampers are practically worthless. A safety lanyard is a MUCH better option in case of catastrophic failure

[@5265060]

@@wannabeangler the synthetic lines with soft shackles just fall to the ground. It’s straps with metal anchors/hooks that people get struck by.

[@derelict_wanderer]

@@5265060 Ummm. No. They don't just fall to the ground.Did you even watch the video where he explains the safety zone? Also the part where he mentions the benefit of the soft shackle flying through the air in case of line breaking. Plenty of other videos on YT showing synthetic still has plenty of recoil when it fails.

[@wannabeangler]

@@5265060 Did you listen to him in the video? He said, "...lines stretch and pop like rubber bands...". They don't just fall to the ground. Any line under extreme tension will have recoil.

[@comradecaptain5710]

Dude reminds me of the instructors I had in the military. Over complicating a solution to an easy problem.

[@CfRlCajunfishRiplips]

This 👆🏼 lol

[@cv2010u]

Yeah, to be honest when the calculations started I was just thinking, can we have just started pulling by now? :D But I don't own an off-road recovery company. By the way, to add, this video had great valuable information. Wasn't trying to troll.

[@JogBird]

the difference is that he messes up and kills someone he is liable.. but you are free to do whatever you want

[@5265060]

glad I'm not the only one

[@gbaines4284]

Obviously this a training video, not a recovery video. They are going slow and explaining every step.

[@garretlewis4103]

Talking about ropes breaking, I have been taught when you have a stretched line, put a blanket or jacket on it to absorb some energy and take away some of the “whip”.

[@petermavus4131]

And don’t forget to spray tick control before tromping thru high weeds with shorts.

[@doomsdaydiesel]

This guy puts off some serious Adam Savage Mythbusters vibes. Just fun to listen to.

[@SierraMechanica]

@@doomsdaydiesel that is high praise, thank you.

[@Slider68]

Making sure your kinetic rope and winching attachment points are very robust is very important... I was offroading with a few guys and one of the guys (luckily) had two vehicles, and his girlfriend was driving his second vehicle. She got very stuck and I was using my kinetic recovery strap to pull her out. I was pulling pretty hard (my ~7000 lb truck with a 10 foot slack pull), when SNAP, the recovery loop that was welded to her truck's frame broke away from her truck. It bounced off the ground, flew over my truck, went clean through the fiberglass tailgate on his truck, then through the front of his pickup box, through the back of his truck cab, and part way through his passenger seat. He was in the drivers seat and no one was sitting in the passenger seat. We couldn't believe how that ~10lb chunk of steel had turned into such an incredible projectile. Had that hit a person, it probably would have killed them, so I fully agree with what was said in this video about making sure your hookup points are very robust, especially when using kinetic recovery ropes/straps and very tight winch cables.

[@bytesandbikes]

This is a great trove of information! Many thanks!

[@Kevin-xy3yr]

Glad they talked about the sizing your Kinetic rope I think people often get to big of rope and then it doesn't stretch much and therefore little kinetic energy to extract.

[@trailrunnah8886]

All the reputable rope manufacturers even tell you that, generally on their websites it lists weight ratings for each rope. I guess it really is hard to resist the bigger is better temptation.

[@AlfyPotsdam-wh9vs]

lol...3:13..."We don't like spinning tires... because you can break components." You mean like when they broke the Taco?

[@aerynlovell4754]

Mud Terrain tires only work properly when you spin the tires to clean out the tread.

[@AlfyPotsdam-wh9vs]

@@aerynlovell4754 So you are saying he's wrong?

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Lots of good tips and information. I usually just hook up a 20k lb. harbor freight tow strap and hit the gas

[@jotinajero97]

😂😂love this

[@MrBillsfishin]

Oooffff. Lmao. It works until it doesn't. Then you replace parts and pieces.

[@tyeetamer]

@@MrBillsfishinCan’t replace body parts . . .

[@backwoodstherapy]

That is certainly one way. Not the correct way, but _a_ way.

[@MrBillsfishin]

@@tyeetamer you stand in the way? Or help pull the strap? Lmao

[@krover01]

I mentioned this training for you guys years ago! Glad you finally got it

[@olegig5166]

I'm a bit surprised to see the old cable rollers on the winch rather than the recommended fairleads for synthetic rope.

[@Tsxtasy1]

This guy is super thorough, awesome

[@5265060]

Granted he;s a professional, but Matt sends it with his kinetic ropes all the time and I'll trust him

[@OverlandAspirations]

Agreed. More than one way, always

[@powdernitz]

matt also never "sends" it with his ropes on his first attempt. he talks about going slow and working up to more force, if the speed and force is needed. less likely to break something or hurt someone if you recover someone with slow and steady pulls, with a progression up if needed.

[@5265060]

@@powdernitz I agree but he sends it regularly showing yankums won’t snap as easily as said in this video. Kinetic ropes need the force to work like they should. 5mph yanks won’t give the rubber band effect and that’s their specific purpose.

[@3rdpig]

And remember, sand is very different than mud.

[@UnyonRing]

It’s very situational. Matt’s talked about how he doesn’t like to use kinetic ropes in mud before and prefers a slow winch in that situation. Most his recoveries are in the sand which is very different.

[@ExplorerOwl]

Thank you! This is the best and most useful TFL video ever!

[@Verb130]

With two passengers, with a full gas tank, if I am fully loaded with all my gear for overland camping, I'm 400lbs over MGVWR. That is completely loaded with water and all my camping equipment, recovery gear, and tools. If it's just a day trip off-road I am well under MGVWR.

[@TheNotSoOrdinaryCarGuy]

This was actually a very good informative episode. Safety when wheeling is of the utmost importance. Thanks for posting!

[@kurtburkhardt5862]

Some great tips and knowledge. I don't have nearly the experience he has, but have safely pulled many people out including self recoveries. There are often several different ways to pull out a stuck. Evaluating how stuck and where it is stuck are important. Being high centered on a rock where it is caught on a frame point or differential can destroy a winch or vehicle with too hard a pull. I see it often where a kinetic rope and a hard pull are used before assessing how stuck first. Using the least amount of pull needed makes sense. Sometimes stacking rocks or digging out first reducing friction is the only way to safely get out.

[@kearnsey64]

Ive never got so much information out of a video.Especially on this subject! Great job!😊

[@VnazT]

First step is to not drive a Land Rover.

[@user-jv2ol1yq9w]

Yup, they suck.

[@kearnsey64]

I've owned a 2013 LR4 WITHOUT issue!! Guess there's exceptions 😊

[@user-uq7io2os3r]

Yup 1 of most unreliable cars,suv on the world, bad when new and disastrous when/after 5 years old..😢👍

[@oni-one574]

I had one of those. My cameras were constantly blue screened and I brought it in 3-4 times to get the air suspension fixed the first year.

[@ChristianPareATLAS]

His license plate is literally saying Tow Please 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jlb4x4]

Awesome video! There is so much to learn about winching safely & this is a reminder to get educated and be safe. Thank you TFL

[@genevicente]

Took Eric’s intro. class at this year’s RMTR. Super informative and well worth it. Planning on taking it again as a refresher or whatever class follows it when I attend the event again.

[@thinde88]

Problem is that Toyota can’t make it to the stuck Jeeps in Colorado.

[@aussie2uGA]

Nice video to finally save for later!

[@timmead3021]

This was so good! I did not expect to learn so much. You guys should do more informational/educational stuff.

[@aerynlovell4754]

@@timmead3021 You can also check out 4WD 24-7 and Ronny Dahl for recovery tips.

[@hbuddyc]

Excellent content! So much to consider. Thank you for sharing your expertise!

[@ranig2848]

Great video. CT will be a great recovery vehicle especially once 48v winches will be available. It has a lot of clearance so has more options for recovery and can more easily recover itself if it gets stuck while recovering, it's heavy so great anchor and no need for engine to be running, so less noise improving communications 🥳

[@jeeperchris]

This break down is great. Learn so much in the little details given, what a valuable video!

[@timothyouellette5211]

I was planning to talk about Matt's Off-road recovery, but others have already thought of it as well :) -

[@jonmccauley6490]

Another piece of sailing gear he might want to use is a Low Friction Ring instead of the heavy and expensive snatch block. There's several varieties but Tylaska is the standard.

[@lawdog516]

WOW what a fantastic video, what a smart guy and I bet his knowledge is going to cost you, thanks TFLoffroad

[@briannichols1586]

Knowing your equipment and how to properly use it is powerful! There are lots of components to a successful recovery and, knowledge/practice are two critical components. Excellent video, excellent instructor. Look Eric and Sierra Mechanica up and take a class or two, you'll be glad you made the effort!!

[@johnr75]

So, just curious - why does he have a roller fairlead with a synthetic winch line instead of a hawse fairlead?

[@mikeadamson4605]

I've heard it said that synthetic rope builds too much heat rubbing against a Hawse, and that newer rollers won't pinch the line. Don't know how true that is.

[@Dusdaddy]

Why not? I kept my roller because it was clean and had no burrs that would damage the rope.

[@SierraMechanica]

Good question! Synthetic lines running across the surface of a hawse fairlead generate heat, which is generally bad for synthetic lines. They are also sometimes mounted in sucha way that the hard edges of the bumper also make contact with the line and can crush or cut. Roller fairleads reduce friction and therefore reduce heat, especially with high angle high load scenarios. Key note: if a wire rope was used on the same drum, fairlead, or pulley block prior to synthetic those pieces need to be replaced or properly deburred.

[@LeviCook]

Because he’s running that winch far, far more frequently than a recreational driver would. And because the roller was never burred up by running wire ropes on it.

[@zipp5398]

I didn’t know if I’d find this video very interesting or not usually I watch your videos just because I like to watch the off-road stuff or just for entertainment purposes but the knowledge in this was pretty good some of the stuff. I’m not sure how it would apply for the few applications I use such as pulling the tractor out of the farm field or just providing something to allow it to walk itself out because let’s face it farm equipment is a lot heavier than most peoples off-road vehicles. But it did give me some ideas for some things to look at if I decide to upgrade equipment, so I appreciate the information from a farming point of view. Now I know what I’m looking at I might see about upgrading from some of the chain stuff I have to some more lighter stuff. The one thing I thought was interesting. Was the chalk on the wheels never thought of that before thanks again great video. 🙌 👍👍

[@chrisparenti2461]

Thank you for this information, it’s highly educational. Awesome guys 👍🏻

[@LordSothMajere]

This was EXCELLENT! He explained it so well! I learned heaps.

[@amazingjason455]

Recovery begins at 49 minutes.

[@MariuszChr]

OMG, thank you

[@drobs7279]

Yeah don't watch and learn from all the free training provided in this video, skip straight to the end.

[@Mike89138]

This was way more interesting than the title led me to think.

[@loudandclearmedia]

One safety tip I'm surprised he didn't mention is to open the hood on the winch vehicle. That way, if something breaks on the stuck vehicle and comes rocketing back, the hood will take the impact, not your head behind the windshield.

[@barryomahony4983]

Yea, but the problem with this video is that you're not gonna sell very many Yankum Ropes with this approach. 😉

[@Hoinar9]

Thank you for this video, with a lot of important information about safety.

[@stump556]

This was really good info. Thanks

[@WW-wf8tu]

"What the Big KZbinrs DON'T Tell You About Trail Recovery!' Reason why? Perhaps because they are not interested in putting their viewers to sleep? Click fast, watch fast, move on. They want likes and they want returning viewers. And a lot of them. This would be a helpful share to beginners to the world of off roading.

[@kingsong2599]

Decided against Lexus Gx550 after Quality Problems and Going to Go instead with Defender !

[@jimmy-buffett]

TWO Toyota Trail Teams tool bags?!? That's how you know he's been doing this for a while lol

[@micahrichey5335]

This is a fantastic video! I learned several great tips! Thank you!

[@jefft0422]

The crocodile hunter on recoveries! Great stuff, very factual!

[@garyatsma89]

What's not discussed here- The "Big KZbinrs" usually have a VERY capable heavy duty recovery vehicle, unlike the stock SUV used here. PLUS, one of the YTer's own personnel is at the wheel of the customer vehicle so they have full experienced control of the situation. They're there to get you out, and they always do.

[@KevinSmith-wr1sy]

Enjoyed the hell out of this master class!

[@paulprice5754]

Best episode in a long time.

[@johnj4571]

$470 for a Safe-Extract 30,000 lb pulley block? Wow, sure is a handsome military grade design. Fantastic video. I learned a lot.

[@gregc9220]

Very educational video great job fellas!

[@tylerp1265]

This was an amazing episode!

[@malifestro3319]

Complicated to make sure you are safe. But there was a lot of very good information.

[@Last_Chance.]

Anybody watch the yellow jeep?

[@tdublove9558]

The banana from MATT'S off road recovery

[@ChrisXif1]

Matts Off Road Recovery would truly had you out of there in under 10 minutes...without any damage or risk of liability. This might be a text book example, but not very practical.

[@cinthe3]

I don't even off road, but I'm here!

[@jaygill3037]

Came for TFL, stayed for 100.

[@LeesChannel]

My condolences to Tommy and Chase. I know their hearts must have dropped every time "real quick" turned into another timesink. They were initially planning on doing several recoveries, there's no way they expected it to take hours for each one.

[@patvirgin8822]

I was under the impression that with synthetic ropes, you should not use roller fairleads.

[@ChristianPareATLAS]

Matt Off Road Recovery needs to do a video with Jurassic Park Towing GUIDE 😂😂😂😂😂 great video by the way

[@jovanies9751]

Whole as hour video to recover at the end😂

[@ElliottTucker1050]

Wow, as we're on an 7 hr flight back to CO. Seemed like a good reason to catch up w/1 of our faves. The info provided in a class setting good. Entertainment? Idk😂, though the theatrics were definitely on High. Like channeling the funny guy from Jumanji w/Australian accent only Midwester 🇺🇸🤭

[@SurlyDeath]

Great vid! Lots of detailed info!