What the hell even is this scene? (High Guardian Spice)

#Crunchyroll
#HighGuardianSpice

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Imagine writing someone respond to "My name is _______" with "Are you sure?"

[@bunnysayori2855]

"yes that my name" "Please complete this simple verification test so we sure that is your name"

[@mychem20]

@@bunnysayori2855 just like someone said above, the show was written by an AI lol

[@goodmachines7743]

That would actually be kind of funny, if it were intentional… but given level of quality in the writing, you know they’re being serious with this.

[@saidi7975]

It's the drugs asking, man ...

[@maxredwing6681]

nah he thinks the name sounds too stupid to be legit

[@gaiarailink]

I could actually hear the writer's twitter account there.

[@KC-bg1th]

Top comment.

[@ShuTheIdiot]

One of them propagates about how all men should die on her twitter account so maybe.

[@nanostar8]

If you freeze frame it just right you can actually see the writer's tweets on screen

[@jaborsey_joseph]

It physically hurts

[@christianboustani8284]

@@ShuTheIdiot I'm sorry, WHAT?!

[@SuperSaiyanAl]

The dude’s voice acting is actually pretty good, and makes the dialogue a lot more bearable.

[@Kyumifun]

His voice is fine but the dialogue is shit

[@user-qv6fg1zr6y]

I hate this show whole-heartily but I will not deny he’s kinda fine… 🤭

[@AUselessGod]

@@r.a.6727 What?

[@SuperSaiyanAl]

@@Kyumifun Oh, I agree. But a talented performer can elevate poor dialogue. I'm actually not sure who voices this kid, and I don't care enough about the show to find out, but that's what he's doing here. I'd go so far as to say that he's the more likeable of the two characters *because* of how well he's voiced, at least in this scene, even though we're obviously supposed to hate him. That's a mark in the actor's favor, and a strike against the show, if you're keeping score.

[@TitanKaiju75]

From the clips I've seen, that's definitely the best vocal performance I've heard from anyone on this show, but not even that can save the nonsensical dialogue...

[@rxy358]

"My name is Rosemary" "Eh, same thing" Is funnier and makes more sense from a comedic standpoint than: "Are you sure?"

[@djjimmaster8261]

idk i thought 'Are you sure?' was kinda funny

[@rxy358]

@@djjimmaster8261 To be fair, it is. Until you realize that the way it was delivered sounded genuine. As if Aster actually didn't pick it up because he's slow. The 'dumb' jock trope doesn't really work anymore specially in high guardian spice, a show that's supposed to be progressive, makes fun of people who are slow in the thinking process. His character would make a lot more sense if they either create a scene where he could be redeemable or up the cocky attitude. So in a comedic standpoint, a cocky attitude that makes it look like Aster doesn't really give a shit is funnier than Aster looking like he genuinely forgot her name and feeling guilty for laughing.

[@saintkoi3770]

When simply reading something made me laugh out loud compared to how I didn’t even flinch watching this scene says something

[@15rachana58]

A sarcastic "okay..?" would also be better

[@beenings213]

Or a “Yeah, that’s what I said, Rhubarb.”

[@tunasandwich8049]

"I know how to use a compass!" Doesn't even level the compass

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

"i know how to weld a weapon" *holds knife by its blade*

[@SOAVGaming]

@@Sleepy_Cabbage also swings it around in a crowded market as a joke, almost kills a girl. She's brilliant.

[@aikikaname6508]

Tbf they’re in a maze so a compass is redundant

[@wolfiewoo3371]

@@aikikaname6508 Why would it be redundant?

[@theclusterknight8716]

@@wolfiewoo3371 i think he is saying that in a maze you cant just follow a compass cuz its a maze it not straight at all just like this show but what he doesn't realize is that the compass can help them tell which direction they are facing

[@Algahiem]

The guy's dialog sounds like it was written by an A.I.

[@clawyraptor9029]

Buddy even A.I can write better dialogue than this

[@kingsonsofaru423]

That's insulting to artificial intelligence

[@phaztom313]

I've played AI dungeon, you could unironically have it write s show better than this.

[@ryoid6001]

Ultron feel offended

[@jsdotigboigamer]

The entire show’s dialogue is some how worse… seriously, this is like…. One of the better pieces of Dialogue that I’ve seen in the show. However that could be because I’ve only seen the first three episodes before giving up.

[@Pengd]

I actually liked this guy, his dialogue was pretty okay and his VA sounded genuinely charming. That, and his character design is really dope. They could've made a decent arc for him and give him some importance but instead he's used as "man bad".

[@nekorina9011]

I mean...we don't often see the pretty guys getting told off in shows, tbh, especially not ones that are the main character's love interest at first- so I think it's cool that they're showing "just because you start crushing on a guy, doesn't mean he's *actually* a nice person". Ofc, I don't know what they do with him later cuz I haven't yet picked up the rest of the show, but imo his voice acting in this scene alone makes him sound really charming, and like he could get away with saying these lines (plus, guys like these *do* exist irl, believe it or not). Maybe it could be like in the Barbie Pegasus movie where he starts off and becomes better over time, and not just immediately

[@sam9014]

MAN BAD MAN NOT GOOD

[@ScarletAngleGaara]

@@nekorina9011 He’s basically expelled from the school and kicked off the show entirely after this. He is used to show white cis men are bad and then is taken out of existence.

[@youngtally2677]

@@nekorina9011 That trope of "handsome boy is actually a douchbag" has been done to death, they're not really breaking new ground here TBH.

[@signer0001]

@@nekorina9011 >we don't often see the pretty guys getting told off in shows, tbh, especially not ones that are the main character's love interest at first- We do, A LOT, and it's DONE TO DEATH already, stop pretending it's some kind of 'cool' thing.

[@verdethestarwarrior1088]

“No one’s probably told you this before, but you’re super cute.” What the showrunners imagine flirting sounds like. They wouldn’t know for sure because… well, I think you know why

[@jackmist]

He said "sort of" actually.

[@pokette]

correction: what the showrunners imagine negging sounds like

[@mrgreenboy644]

I thought that was meant to feel like an insult, what the actual

[@supermysterious66]

To be fair, with the personality Rhubarb has, I'd imagine that no one has ever called her cute.

[@youngtally2677]

The showrunners just secretly want a man like this to hold them in bed... buuut they wont get that cause they're all land whale "femcels"

[@jpatel0398]

I like how the guy does a complete 180 the moment she affirms herself just A LITTLE bit. It's how you know he's a walking strawman instead of an actual character.

[@appletherapy3492]

Yeah, the guy is a frenkenstien. They just put desired outputs and sitched it together.

[@reginlief1]

Came to the comments to right this myself. It’s like, even if you want a dumb ass caricature of a character, at LEAST make them consistent. That kind of 180 should be reserved for an absolutely terrifying outburst from the girl (as cliche as that is), not just the tiniest pushback… EDIT: I don’t know how to spell write apparently, and 500+ people have seen this comment. RIP.

[@Eemi_Seppala]

@@reginlief1 I think the writers thought that was an absolutely terrifying outburst.

[@halodragonmaster]

@@Eemi_Seppala That's the funniest part of all.

[@RedChama]

Strawman? Straw _person_ ! reeeeeeee

[@KirbyLinkACW]

It's the scene where they make the man look bad so the woman can be the strong one in the moment. That's all this is.

[@jakecaswell7364]

Yeah, I really hate that alot

[@YaBoiBrendo]

It’s called a Straw-Man Argument. And yes, it’s a bad way to argue against someone.

[@awsomedude23456]

Also have u noticed how most of the straight guys in this show are jerks, weirdos, or barely characters

[@TheIntratec9]

And look how it's done in RWBY as well. Ironwood ... Adam... etc.

[@memelocks7066]

@@awsomedude23456 the writers are toxic feminists

[@prez.cookie980]

"My name is Rosemary!" "Are you sure?" "Yes!" What is this dialogue

[@AlexM1983DHUN]

The dialog is missing the context. At the beginning of this episode Aster goes to talk to her (because obviously he is as much into her as the other way around). He asks her "Rhubarb? Right?". And Rosemary doesn't correct him, instead says yes. The same is kinda repeated at the beginning of this field training when they are pared together. Aster: "Rhubarb?" Rosemary: "Yes, that's my name." Now after knowing the context Aster's question is legit.

[@chickensox8318]

He's actually likeable in the "selfish, rude, sexist character who is just annoying but you know he'll grow to be better" kinda way. But of course these writers don't understand the concept of flaws or character growth so he is just "man bad"

[@Lilac_Lilith]

Edited for clarification :3 Yeah, i think he is likeable too! If (after this) the teacher pulled him aside to discuss his behaviour, and he genuinely didn’t know anything he said came off as condescending or rude. He was raised in an environment that reinforced that that’s how he should act, with hardly anyone telling him otherwise. And aside from that he’s actually a really heroic person with a very strong sense of morality and justice. He may still be prideful, but he’s not arrogant. He could come back to the group with the teacher and apologize to Rosemary. Explain that he was actually trying to compliment her and went about it the wrong way. He can’t take back what was already said, but he can reword it to properly convey his intentions. He thinks she’s cute and he admires her bravery. Though, he’d probably leave out that he was also trying to look good in front of her. And, now that she knows it doesn’t come from a place of genuine malice and misogyny, she doesn’t mind forming a little rivalry between them to see who would be better in the class. Sure, sometimes he might relapse into what’s he’s used to, but Rosemary (and his future other friends) would be there to help him make back that progress. There could even be an internal conflict when he sees his family again and feels like he doesn’t belong, since no longer agrees with their views. It would show that a toxic mindset is something learned, that it’s good to work towards getting rid of it, and showcase what it’s like to be the only one in your family with a differing opinion. It would also show that Rosemary is understanding and forgiving when confronted with struggles she’s never gone through. Plus, it gives her a strong foundation for a deep platonic or romantic relationship (I like to think that, in this version, he would be her best friend and closest ally)

[@jgamer2228]

Like Sokka, because he doesn’t know any better. He didn’t have men around to teach him that women are equally as important for a functioning society, but as he travelled, met new folks and grew wiser, he figured that out for himself. The Kyoshi Warriors were a vital step in his development as a character and it’s a stroke of genius that he encountered them so early on. These writers couldn’t pull off that kind of change if their lives depended on it.

[@RandomvideosGameplays]

@@Lilac_Lilith que bosta de clichê

[@RandomvideosGameplays]

@@jgamer2228 que clichê em, o cara mau e bosta , se torna bom, clichê mais bosta, reclamam da animação , mas seu roteiro é pior só sabe copiar clichês prontos.

[@sanana4088]

i know this comment is really old but he gives me sokka vibes

[@kingsoldier3475]

Oblivion NPCs have better dialogue then this

[@quanghuyvu2649]

Oof

[@MastaOfMonkeyDisasta]

*Stop, you violated the law, pay the court a fine or go to jail!*

[@tardigradexzero6285]

@@MastaOfMonkeyDisasta *[Refuses]* THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD!

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

Gotta disagree with you there buddy. Oblivion NPCs are in a class of their own in terms of dialogue

[@lucas1309]

What, can't stand the sight of a strong nordic woman?

[@badassgregory]

I feel like they've never had a conversation with a guy before.

[@MisterBeagleton]

Would that surprise you?

[@martinderabbie3429]

Or they have and this is just what they hear when we talk

[@Joshua_N-A]

They're lind raised by either single moms or two moms and secluded from hetero society.

[@tsubasasupremo]

actually they had it one too many times and actually they wanted to men look like cheap writting

[@DuskLegend]

They haven’t

[@nonatt4444]

I actually like this dude. Snarky, good looking douche. The charisma that they wrote him with to try to make him come off as misogynistic ends up making him the more fun character amongst the boring cast. (Even if it's not that good, he definitely shines compared to everyone else) Sad how that writing plot backfired on the writers, this coming from a self proclaimed feminist myself.

[@thecoolcarhd4402]

He should stand his ground more often.

[@lexverdi2821]

does anyone know the voice actor?

[@lexverdi2821]

nvm ive found him, he voices daring charming in ever after high i guess he's experienced with the archetype

[@kadlifal]

He's the type of guy who is better than MC but is arrogant that makes him likeable Because he's right rather than hate Because he's a douchebagand doesn't over power MC's presence?

[@Dressup_Doll]

@@lexverdi2821What??

[@Phred1994]

I love how they show him getting intimidated by her and it's like, how though? What was intimidating about that? I get it if they were already friends (trust me, I've seen huge dudes scared to DEATH of tiny women they love and respect and the women don't even TRY to be intimidating), but they obviously aren't.

[@ria8902]

bruh the rosemary girl sounds more annoying than the dude who the writers made for us to hate

[@PK-Radio]

Pretty sure her name is Rhubarb

[@peri2656]

I love him already

[@tristanbeer1257]

It's hilarious how writers desperately want us to like certain characters, due to agendas but instead everyone likes the supposed racist, sexist, homophobic pieces of shit, the writers tried to create.

[@kas8ia]

ngl i like the male character more

[@SpencerJWang]

@@PK-Radio are you sure?

[@sourjuni]

Rhubarb fits her better than her actual name tbh Rosemary sounds too refined for someone like her

[@rhettr4923]

You win 🏆 with this comment. Nailed it on the head should just spam that name until the creatures get it.

[@fishiesgaming]

that's what i genuinely thought also, when he called rhubarb and i thought it was natural, then she corrected him and i was "oh right her name's rosemary... why is her name rosemary?"

[@ichangednametoamorecringyo1489]

Rhubarb fits better since her color pallete is brown and pink. When I think of Rosemary I think of green and pink and she has no in her design unless you count her semi green eyes

[@theSkyGuardian]

@@fishiesgaming well, roses are pink, duh 🙄 Everyone whose never cooked knows that rosemary comes from roses.

[@theSkyGuardian]

Rosemary to me sounds like I wise and slightly cooky old granny's name.

[@angelbiscuits]

"are you sure?" is actually a hilarious response to someone telling you their name lmao

[@ryloken6790]

Imma be honest I like the dude. His voice is charming, he delivers his lines somewhat well, he's enjoyable. He makes the show somewhat enjoyable to an extent. Only problem is that he collapses like a little bitch when someone doesn't put with his shit. They could've easily made a charming and fun relationship between these two, where they're both super loud and proud of each other, constantly trying to one up the other, and they come to respect each other and their respective abilities. But no, they took a perfect opportunity to make something good and used it as a "man bad woman strong" scene

[@mbsb1376]

Honestly if he kept being sexist in a teasing way that'd be genuinely entertaining and cute. This show sucks tho.

[@richardparker2555]

Remember how the show pride itself for for having a writers staff that was 100% female? Because that doesn't show in this scene at all!

[@awsomedude23456]

Also isn’t that the exact opposite of being diverse?

[@yoshidaaimi34]

@@awsomedude23456 Shhhh! Don't burst their bubble!

[@therwbyfamilton8023]

Actually it does show. It shows they have never had an actual conversation with a guy.

[@megametexe5129]

You can tell no one on this team has ever had a healthy relationship with a man before whether that be a brother or a father or even a friend. Because if they did they would know that no man speak like this. Not even the jerks

[@yoshidaaimi34]

@@megametexe5129 Even the male jerks are a little funny because when yhey say something stupid, we point and laugh at them, this one is just downright crimge :|

[@malayshamorgan3918]

I know that they were trying to make his character unlikeable but honestly I kinda like him plus his voice is smooth to me

[@pescuezoee]

same lol i would rather have a whole series about him then to watch thrisjskw

[@regiman222]

Same with the purple-haired girl (who now has an axe and is chaotic GOD) she's meant to be a bitch but damn is she fun to watch

[@electricfeverx976]

It seems the villains of this show get more love than the protags, how do these writers even accidentally do that?

[@mrgreenboy644]

He definitely seems to be likably arrogant; the girl just seems flat and derivative as a character

[@boots3305]

I feel like the blonde guy, Slime Boy, Snapdragon, and Amaryllis could’ve been a way better main cast than what we have now.

[@StephonZeno]

It's amazing how in this show's attempt to make the male characters look bad , they actually end up becoming way more likable then than the females. Mainly because they have some semblance of what I can call a "personality".

[@beastcarleeto707]

Didn't the show make the purple haired character look bad aswell? Having a male antagonist doesnt mean all men are bad

[@modderbad]

@@beastcarleeto707 purple girl is so interesting too tho

[@Bloodjen]

​@@beastcarleeto707 they do, but they also have her have actual genuine tender moments with the orange haired one and form a very wholesome friendship. She's one of the better characters in the show actually for simply being consistent.

[@beastcarleeto707]

@@Bloodjen fair point

[@Gabriel-fq1uc]

I like how Rosemary is just as idiotic as Aster, yet her personality does a full 180 in this scene for not other reason than to show him up because of "girl power"

[@battlesheep2552]

Incredibly arrogant but collapses like a house of cards the moment someone doesn't put up with his shit, it's like he's less a character with consistent behavior and more of a prop that does whatever the writers need him to do.

[@bondiibluu]

Was looking for this.

[@ryanmaddugal8059]

Ikr

[@gabrielchasecanceladosinap3959]

They needed a strawman and... there you go!

[@flannelpillowcase6475]

i'm playing a D&D character who does the same thing and i've been rather successful with her. there's always just a right way and a wrong way to write certain concepts, that's all.

[@TheSameYellowToy]

It'd work a lot better if he were trying to "fake it 'til you make it" and reinvent himself at High Guardian Academy by pretending to be a super cool and confident ladies' man, but is actually very meek and insecure in reality and was unpopular at his old school/village/etc. But that would require some level of character depth beyond "MAN BAD" and might make him sympathetic or give him an actual character arc...

[@signlessnyx]

God the strawman

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

More like the cliche trope

[@legendaresn6983]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 Its both and it makes it worse, that these hacks had to rip a trope to make their strawman.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

@@legendaresn6983 you can’t make a straw man unless they’re there’s an original argument that you’re trying to falsify. Making a straw man is a reactionary behaviour meaning you can’t make a straw man through a piece of fictional content. Yes it’s a cliche trope used by pretty much every tv show and movie that’s ever featured a teenage girl meaning you can’t just assume it’s inherently different then ever other time it’s been used.

[@thesenate4815]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 you can definitely strawman through fictional content. Sjws do it all the time thinking this and that character are white supremacist

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 "you can't make a straw man through a piece of fictional content" Someone's never heard of propaganda before

[@kirbyleggington7205]

"My name is Rosemary" "Are you sure?" Okay I'm an honest man. That was funny.

[@BarryBruh]

so is the guy supposed to be the main character

[@ladytopaz6358]

Sadly no. It’s actually Rhubarb… and some other chick that I can’t be bothered to remember her name

[@tavrosnitram1529]

@@ladytopaz6358 i literally just watched the first episode of this and i cant even remember her name either

[@trashyCorn.12]

She says her name it's rosemary

[@soffisoffy2709]

@@trashyCorn.12 are you sure that’s her name?

[@Geck0GC]

I'll be honest, despite being extremely generic, the guys lines weren't that bad but the writing dropped immediately when the girl started talking. And if you write this kind of character, you would think it would be the arc of the episode not just him immediately giving up. She didn't even give a good response.

[@noodlesandwich2945]

Oh look Koronesuki pfp

[@blackice8634]

Dude stfu she knows how to use a compass. Show some respect

[@nekroneko]

Even Mark Zuckerberg comes across as more human and believable than this shows dialogue.

[@thecoolcarhd4402]

i disagree

[@sunnyxp4681]

I disagree also.

[@tavrosnitram1529]

oh come on guys, zuck *DID* eat toast once!

[@youngtally2677]

@@tavrosnitram1529 and he cried one time... I think.

[@kindadumb916]

Woah let’s not get c r a z y here

[@xXSoulGeoXx]

Honest The guy feels like a good guy just ended up with a girl that always mad at him for nothing What if he was really good at navigating? That and he doesn't sound like he is making fun of her At most just understimating the protagonist She herself ends up looking like a bully to the character supposed to be the "bully"

[@josteinhenrique2779]

Honestly, all scenes with Astor being a "jerk" makes me feel like Astor is just an average guy (maybe even a nice, cool one) who works as an actor and just ended on the role of the jerk guy, but he can't sell it properly either because he's an inexperienced actor or because he's probably a close, longtime friend of Rosemary (an actress as well) and the whole thing feels awkward for him. I mean, 0:32 is basically he going out of character

[@Testsubject276]

I've never seen a actual man talk like this. Like ever.

[@nicstonejr4956]

yall know hes fictional right

[@Shamshiro]

@@nicstonejr4956 - Not even using the 'fictional character' measuring tape would make any other well-written douchebags sound like Mr. Misogynist-o-Matic in this video.

[@saulesalejos4483]

An actual person-

[@tsukikoamagiri]

@@nicstonejr4956 Y'all know fictional characters have to feel human rite

[@micah4539]

This is what women hear when we speak apparently. Goofy as hell

[@skeety2480]

I’ve seen fanfictions with better dialogue than this. Though I guess that isn’t saying much since there are actually some pretty good fanfics out there (I.E. Kdog).

[@Sonicfalcon16]

ironicly watching this made me feel better about my writting.

[@egglesbagles9833]

Lol same I've seen deviant art stuff better than this

[@ajaxrao6042]

Even 'My Immortal' is has better dialogue and that fact itself is very damning.

[@asheronwindspear552]

HGS where the fan fiction was completed BEFORE the show came out.

[@oldstyle5114]

@@Sonicfalcon16 Same, final confirmation that I've got some talent and have gotten better at writing. Keep this positive feeling!

[@mehmeh8403]

A lot of times with shows written by just men the women characters can feel really forced and just wrong. This is the first time I’ve seen BOTH male and female characters be fucked up Who were the writers on this show and how were they unable to write both men AND women incorrectly. Like how it that possible.

[@yagamerboichucc6120]

Well its a woman who is trans so shes a guy who also hates all man and has said kill all men on twitter before yeahhhhhhh

[@puppydogs68]

Miraculous Ladybug: writes women wrong Demon Slayer: writes men wrong High Guardian Spice: *writes everyone wrong*

[@Spky_Ghst]

What some writers don't get is that you don't have to put a group down to bring up or bring representation to a group. In this situation they make guys seem awful to make woman strong, but you can make good strong characters with a lovely thing callee, subtlety~

[@EnzoZambrotti]

This show is so good the only way they know how to make women strong is to make all man insufferable. And they even fail at that cause the women are insufferable too. Good job Crunchyroll👍

[@oldstyle5114]

Just like reality! /s

[@tsukikoamagiri]

The dude isn't even that insufferable, it's Rhubarb

[@beastcarleeto707]

Didn't they do the same thing with the purple haired girl?

[@txorimorea3869]

I like Olive, the cat girl.

[@tsubasasupremo]

what did you expected when most of the people who worked on this hates men?

[@squidblr3440]

This shows feels like a cartoon that'd be on when you were sick on a school day

[@ladytopaz6358]

Wow that’s such an oddly specific nostalgic feeling…

[@icecreamsundd]

This works oddly

[@whiskii]

LMAO

[@chidubememma-ugwuoke9660]

no, worse

[@moontea_0]

Rosemary thinks she's strong when it's all but a fantasy She is gonna get clapped by someone if she keeps up with the 'im stronger than everyone' act

[@thecoolcarhd4402]

I hope so.

[@Schmoseph]

It's really hard to hate a character that you're supposed to hate when you give them this many glaring flaws and never reward them for their behavior.

[@Schmoseph]

@mohamed zayan When good things consistently happen to a character that's being a jerk, that makes you want karma to eventually hit them. This blonde strawman is constantly shown to be an incompetent dumbass who fails at everything. The closest to a "reward" he gets is Rhubarb falling for him for a bit.

[@PatVX1]

Why does the main character feel like the main bad guy? Is that the plot twist? That the main character turns into the villain? Because that'd actually be kind of fun. Wouldn't save the show, but it would at least be cool concept.

[@rhettr4923]

You know funny thing these woke heros always tend to come off or just outright do villainous things & the shows just try to make them out to be good. Strange it's like bad ideas are bad or something lol.

[@dontlookatmyplaylists]

That’s to intelligent for the writing team to come up with. They rather have the main character be a simple minded woke girl boss but a cinnamon roll that means well rather then something… interesting or different.

[@NemoCapt001]

You probably thinking about Eren Jaeger

[@PatVX1]

@@NemoCapt001 That's another good one, good thinking.

[@inky5574]

Nah because then they'd start adding Attack on Titan to their rip-off pot.

[@stuartcrippen5066]

To quote Cellspex “This was old when Avatar did it.”

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

And yet avatar didn’t it and every show with a teenage girl has done it since

[@dreamhollow]

Avatar at least tried to be a balanced show. This, however, is a train wreck of the most damaging variety.

[@corbanbausch9049]

@@dreamhollow I would say it was balanced pretty well. Because Sokka (who I’m assuming the og commenter was referring to) did become a badass in his own right, even with a lack of bending. None of the males in this show, from what I’ve seen, ever get that.

[@leiderhosen7110]

@@corbanbausch9049 Also the show has both very competent men and one of the best father-son relationships in animation. Not all masculinity was toxic, just some men were dysfunctional.

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

"No, you can't date the female guards." "Trust me, YOU don't want to."

[@kingcyclops4079]

"My arch nemesis....... straight white man" *dun dun dun*

[@OfficialJohnnySinsGaming]

The guy's dialog sounds like some woman trying to portray how men act like, who has no idea how men act like.

[@jonsku6662]

"I know where the heart is... and the other organs you can be stabbed through for nasty results" There we go, way less generic. A bit villainous, but better than wtf that even was

[@Konpekikaminari]

This is such a raw line, I love it

[@mamabear1394]

This will be in the abridged series

[@halodragonmaster]

@@mamabear1394 this better be in the abridged series

[@ArtseyHayton06]

This scene is just random shit being thrown together.

[@jonsku6662]

@@ArtseyHayton06 this whole show is random shit put together

[@zakarimaddix3721]

Is that a hint of Twitter I smell and a dash of what people are calling 'feminism' these days

[@cookieelement3467]

Hint? I'm pretty sure that drenching stench of a thousand dumpster fires is unmistakable. Not much a hint.

[@forecastjanna1906]

its a mixture of both

[@elgatochurro]

Feminism has always been this

[@TheGodofChaosItself184]

*smells* Yuck!, this stinks!, get me out of here it's burning my mind.

[@Darklight65583]

With a dab of tumblr!

[@boopsdoops]

He literally goes from "i'm takin the lead" to "i'm a sheep" in _2 seconds,_ after she says abt 5 words of affirmation. You could not get any weaker than this in the argument world. Fairly certain the writers have never interacted with actual, real people, with the exception of each other and the 3 followers they have on their shared Tumblr page.

[@whiskii]

Exactly. Non agreeable people don't just keel over and let others take charge after one argument, they will stand their ground. This guy went from non agreeable to agreeable in seconds which makes zero sense in the real world. I get the impression that the writers of this show aren't very well socialised.

[@MXOtaku]

I want a spin off show with that guy as the main character with his own harem and stacks of trophies

[@lucuador1992]

Ah yes, the "girl who is looked down on by Chad alpha male proves she is better" cliché is inching nearer. The scent of wokeness wafts through the air

[@cobaltprime9467]

@Ayo please they’re gonna make her gay with the blue girl. They hate men so much they can’t have a straight couple.

[@cannedsquasher5923]

@Ayo have you seen the writing team, lmao. There is no way in hell she is going to be straight. Literally no way are straight people going to be portrayed in a relatively positive light, lmao.

[@awsomelyrandomstuff916]

Ah yes, it has the same energy of that mug I constantly see at work that I kid you not say "Woke af" and I cringe everytime I see it

[@James-oj6ru]

But @@cobaltprime9467…. The blue girl’s character design makes me want to stab myself with a epi pen, she’s so bland, so generic and so… NPC that I honestly thought someone stolen my drawings about 10 years ago and thought this was a good design

[@kou7191]

@@James-oj6ru It's funny because if you look at some of their character concept arts, Rosemary was LITERALLY a rip off from Madoka Magica and Chibiusa from Sailor Moon, it was basically "how do I Steven Universify this anime"

[@amandaarlt4948]

This whole episode screamed “she who will not be named” wrote this

[@GE-0530RN]

...you mean... tara?

[@amandaarlt4948]

@@GE-0530RN nope lol

[@GE-0530RN]

@@user-dk3lg9np6p i see

[@lila709]

JKR?

[@sufferingendlessly9131]

I knew it. This show was clearly written by the Great Dark Lord Voldemort in order to mess with us muggles brains and make us just want to jump off a bridge. Such an evil yet clever plan...

[@screamindog8772]

I honestly love the voice of whoever’s acting him. it’s got a nice charm to it

[@orangeboy155]

Was the line “No ones probably ever told you this before, but your pretty cute” supposed to be an insult or a compliment? On one hand he called her cute, on the other hand he is implying that no one throughout her entire life ever called her cute until him

[@AlexM1983DHUN]

Though probably he is right on the spot. Who knows her would never think she is cute, except for Sage but she would also not say so. XD

[@dirt8ag858]

ngl this guy seems like one of the more enjoyable characters in the show. hes kinda funny lol

[@DingDarkus]

No guy in the 2021 years we’ve been on this planet has talked like this

[@puggzwithtwogees]

I mean presumedly guys were still around before year 0 but I feel you.

[@nolongerposting5317]

Yeah we talk more like Crackheads who laugh at a word door with the image door on it or is it just me?

[@noro329]

@@nolongerposting5317 Don’t forget to make it bass boosted and distorted

[@majorian9406]

I can’t wait for Earth’s 2022nd birthday!

[@benhaver9737]

CORMN FLAEK

[@DarkFuma]

You know, it's noticeable that they have a mostly female staff since I don't think there's a single male character that has a good VA voice. Like, they just had them record it on a phone and call it a day kind of deal.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

My bet is the VAs showed up, then asked if they could work from home after seeing what creatures awaited them at the studio.

[@yagamerboichucc6120]

actually they pride themselves on having an all female staff- yeahhhh and did i mention they are clearly feminist and the shows creator tweets kill all men?

[@maio0077]

If the producers hired a fanfic writer anywhere on the Internet, the dialogues would be a hit.

[@PKMN37]

You can tell that these writers have never talked to a man a day in their lives.

[@tsukikoamagiri]

Let alone talked to people outside of their echo chamber

[@Joshua_N-A]

Lack of fathers and father figures?

[@PKMN37]

@@Joshua_N-A Definitely.

[@Sparkletta]

@@Joshua_N-A and a couple brothers

[@TheShanicpower]

Or a woman let’s be real

[@hiddenflare6169]

‘Proceeds to get them lost.’ Wouldn’t that just be funny. After this big scene with them, they have no idea where they are next time we see them XD.

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

I'd propose that it would also make an interesting take/story. Even if they don't like each other, neither one of them could be a definitive leader

[@jayfoxsquare307]

Oh god, it continues after this?

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

That’d be a cool plot twist. I could imagine after getting them lost even further, Rosemary has a revelation and thinks to herself “oh my God. I’m not as good as I thought I was”. She proceeds to sulk and negatively compare herself to her mother, then Aster awkwardly comforts her and confesses to her that he knows he’s not that skilled or bright either, but he acts as though he is because he’s insecure and doesn’t want to seem vulnerable to anyone, and that’s why he’s been acting pretentious for the entire day. He apologises for speaking down to her after that as well. They then bond for a while, and after Rosemary gets a hold of herself, she stands up and offers her hand to Aster with a smile, telling him that they should work together to complete the maze this time. After some hard work where they both fight through the maze and try many different paths, they finally make it out. At the end of the episode, they tell each other that they should train together sometime since they both have a lot to work on. They laugh at their new inside joke and high-five each other, establishing a solid friendship. There. The episode has been fixed. Boom.

[@themauveink]

@@xxxmaysilssss690 If this (somehow) gets a second season, they should hire you as one of fhe writers.

[@whiskii]

If this cartoon was written in the 90s (and by actual decent writers with no dumb agendas) that probably would have happened; back when cartoons actually had morals and lessons. But no, I imagine she took them exactly where they needed to go with zero issues because "lEsBiAn WhOmeN sMaRt and StRoNK."

[@valkyrieordonez8955]

Holy shit, she knows how to use a compass! *wow*

[@ladylynx9891]

I love how this _clearly very confident_ boy becomes instantly intimidated when this non indimidating girl says something that doesn't sound intimidating. Almost like the creators think they can just change character's personalities on specific moments for the sake of making their protagonist look more empowered, huh

[@Guntherson220]

Zim's dialogue is more convincing as being from a real human being.

[@beastwarsFTW]

He's a normal human worm baby.

[@mileshostetler2469]

Zucherburg

[@paullangland6877]

Can't argue that, plus even though Zim is supposed to be a "bad guy" in his show, we at least are cheering for him to conquer Earth.

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

I HAVE A MIGHTY NEED!! ...to watch a better show.

[@kalystagutierrez1607]

From 0:06 to 0:20 he did nothing but spit facts! Rosemary didn't even level, or look at, the compass when she decided to start walking god knows where. His entire dialogue perfectly describes how one dimensional rosemary is as a character lol

[@marsmallou]

It’s funny how Rosemary gets things wrong usually (she has the “protagonist personality”) but then the moment Aster comes along she’s perfect and good at everything?? (I know I’m late to this video but-)

[@carllombard5237]

As the legendary Alan Moore once said: if you want to be an author, don't just watch good stuff for inspiration, watch terrible stuff for inspiration as well.

[@esaualfaro3447]

If that dude flirts so easily with women, chances are he won´t be following or listen to her demands just because she said she knows how to use the compass.

[@caldog619]

He endured blistering winds and scorching deserts. He climbed the highest bloody room of the tallest bloody tower...

[@MisterBeagleton]

And what does he find? Some insufferable brat telling him that _HIS_ sense of direction is *_"iNeFfEcTuAl"_*

[@nocount7517]

@@MisterBeagleton "Fine. Stay up here."

[@saulesalejos4483]

Honestly, I really belived that character was a woman till I heard him talk.

[@beastwarsFTW]

@@MisterBeagleton This shoe makes me do something I really don't want to do My diet is ruined

[@axelvoss9653]

I like that she's suddenly competent in this episode, save for when she's crushing on him.

[@StarlitLilies]

She looks more like a Rhubarb tho 😅

[@hermos3602]

I can't wait for journalists to write articles saying that men are sexist for hating this "anime".

[@mileshostetler2469]

You don’t have to wait anymore

[@dorianbarnes9013]

Holy shit, this guy can see the future

[@icecreamsundd]

@@dorianbarnes9013 unrelated, but nice killua pfp

[@magosexploratoradeon6409]

I'm pretty sure people that enjoy anime seriously wouldn't even give this show a 2nd episode.

[@Retroholic]

Ghost Stories English Dub is lookin' pretty damn good right about now... anyone wanna binge it w/ me?

[@atlasroyale5294]

Gladly

[@GANTZ100pts]

What a coincidence me and my roommate actually just started watching it again ourselves.😁

[@Christoph8]

Already watched it 😂

[@Bladez10]

When hasn't the Ghost Stories English Dub sound good? I'll bring the popcorn.

[@lukedavies3654]

Its summer tradition for me

[@baka030hydroid]

Basically Guy: You're girl so look cute is all do ough ough Girl: I know what I'm doing! Girl power! Is what they were going for here. But anyone with a brain realized that already

[@ride-playerbb2818]

You know those old timey books and movies (heck, even some are being written as recently as today) where it's obvious the woman character is written by a man who has no idea how to write women? This is that, except the genders are reversed

[@bittersweetpastel475]

So this is like equivalent of neo feminist writing cis male characters?

[@scottieyusuke]

Basically yes

[@moonie1825]

Of course this character had to be white

[@MastaOfMonkeyDisasta]

Its funny, because he sounds extremely feminine, but is supposed to be the portrait of toxic masculinity. Yet sounds like a flying fruit bat ready to nibble on some black cherries.

[@halodragonmaster]

@@MastaOfMonkeyDisasta goddamn

[@snoepjee]

@@moonie1825 LMFAOOOOO

[@tangkwathetroublemakergirl555]

Judge from this dude design He gonna get a lot of love from r34 people......

[@malawisupasoldier7478]

And it's gonna be hella gay too

[@tangkwathetroublemakergirl555]

@@malawisupasoldier7478 yeah just look at him

[@mimlin]

Damn he looks like link 😔

[@RprSonic]

Not even R34 artists give a shit about this show.

[@user-dn3ju1rv9i]

suddenly i want to draw him in a dubious situation,,,

[@rowanbelenky6017]

"so let me keep doing what I do best and you keep being kind of adorable" "My name is rosemary" "Are you sure" "Yes my name is rosemary" Wtf is this dialogue?

[@AlexM1983DHUN]

The missing context. Basically, Rosemary previously confirms twice to Aster that her name is Rhubarb. And before this never corrects him.

[@hoanlothi5760]

"My name is Rose Mary" "Are you sure?" what kind of writing is this?

[@carrastealth]

He's kind of talking like the people that saw the trailer and thought her character was going to be "the adorable one" :3 Or that the show was going to be for kids...

[@SamuelSouza-di6nq]

Wait, isn't for kids?

[@carrastealth]

@@SamuelSouza-di6nq It's definitely not "kids show" format, considering the blood, gore, cursing, and mature themes. The characters also grow and mature as the series goes on. Some of them start out "wide eyed" but after they face some serious stuff, killing, threats and losses they become more mature as well.

[@cybersaiyan9596]

@@carrastealth stop making the show sound way better than it actually is.

[@carrastealth]

@@cybersaiyan9596 I'm literally describing what happens.

[@cybersaiyan9596]

@@carrastealth yeah, but in an abstract way that hides the shitty execution.

[@jwchampagne1]

"girlz rule boyz drool"... the Anime. No wonder this got greenlit. It's so timely.

[@sanromanosqui]

the "anime"

[@r.a.6727]

@@sanromanosqui """""anime"""""

[@GhostMan407]

from what i heard it was presented as a decent show that could've been interesting but the "diverse" writing team did this to it, now it'll be even harder for independent writers to get their ideas greenlit

[@jwchampagne1]

@@GhostMan407 I'm less forgiving. I think it was a grift from start to finish. The key players wanted work (i.e. a salary) and a credit to plump their resume. I feel sorry for the people further down the creative ladder who were clearly out of their depth. They were told they were ready for prime time and effectively denied the mentoring they needed.

[@camotophat]

Does this guy even exist outside of mid 90's TV shows? I've never in my life met someone like this dude.

[@lexyshannon9428]

This show kills me inside. The goal of good writing shouldn't be "we're women" it should be "we're writers regardless of identity".

[@arcanefury3666]

I'm confused. Is this a maze? What does a compass accomplish that backtracking doesn't accomplish in a maze?

[@adityagrrakshaskar1621]

Same here but maybe they know in which direction the exit is so they will follow the paths which go in that direction

[@jackmist]

@@adityagrrakshaskar1621 that would make sense if the layout of said maze wasn't constantly in flux.

[@emmanuelakanbi7903]

I was thinking that this entire time. It make no sense on how's a compass alone suppose to guide you out of a maze?

[@emmanuelakanbi7903]

It would of been hilarious if Aster was the only one who realized how pointless it was to try and use it.

[@plneet3504]

Would this be an anti-feminist show? Trying to prove that an all women cast can do good and then do dogsh1t? I legit don't care who creates anime and honestly the work conditions I just see it as an art and this doesn't feel like one

[@rhettr4923]

Yeah it's more like a bad cartoon rather then a anime. The arts wrong the staff is American not Japanese so why not just call it a cartoon like any other over here kinda weird. All & all its most like a 2010 fan fiction animation made with shuttertock assets.

[@rhettr4923]

@nasi goreng yeah I wasn't really pointing out the creators nationality more the location of production, bad phrasing on my part. I think this team just used the term anime either because it's on crunchyroll or because they thought it would pull in more views or maybe both idk. I just know it uses that more modern cartoon aesthetician you see in shows like Star vs the forces of evil & Steven universe. Also did you see the clip where someone pointed out the shutterstock watermark on the light pole lol.

[@Hachikoi333]

they are giving a lot of bad rep to a lot of female mangakas

[@davidclark8877]

It's like they don't know Kyoto Animation exists.

[@magosexploratoradeon6409]

@@Hachikoi333 They can make some baddass mangas ngl.

[@EMBEEAY]

Every male character in this show sounds like the writers purposely made up a situation in their head where they were victimized, got angry about it, then reflected it unnecessarily into their work.

[@classydays43]

I was half expecting a crowd of people clapping just around the corner.

[@pascaleelliott63]

Never seen a "yaaas queen" moment more phoned in and desperately forced in any other show than this.

[@tojami2894]

this is a certified "men bad" moment

[@josh_miester_x511]

The most "How I see all Cis White Men" from the writer moment.

[@druidadocajadao8020]

The more I see more i'm convinced this was written i'm sure it was directed by a Karen like I see this conversation is just a foreshadow of the director "ExcuUuuUUUSE mE" "What ma'am?" "Good, I got your attention now you help me you lazy employee" "I don't work here ma'am" "Are you sure?"

[@stickthelanding4785]

I developed a seizure from having the message repeatedly bashed over my head.

[@vfxninja5503]

I wish this was a smart and well constructed scene that made a biting commentary on the pointlessness of chauvinism and the values of equality But it really isn't.

[@Pootis-Spencer]

I wish this scene was better written and constructed so we could possibly see the start of a fellowship they can't avoid 'cause they are in the same school grounds and classes so you need to learn cooperation even with people that aren't your besties because you are a guardian or whatever this show's big deal is, where they learn to get over their petty arguments and bad personality traits to be efficient in their fields, overtime they learn to push those bad attitudes aside in exchange of possitive ones that reflect in eachother as they get to know the other and become better people rather than kids that fight over who get's to hold the compass. Eventually resolving in a good message of not be rude to other people when you are working with them, how to identify and change attitudes that you could see as normal but might annoy others, and learn to forgive and grow over old feuds to become the more mature version of yourself. But that would require good writters and not be jugdmental over men. So I guess we go the "girls can do as boys do" route

[@halodragonmaster]

@@Pootis-Spencer This is worth the read. Don't skip this comment folks.

[@triggerme6144]

I wish this scene was about characters with personality, instead of pushing any kind of narrative or point.

[@Xeronoia]

A good writer would have made them *both* wrong, with the message being that yeah, don't assume women arent good at stuff, but also just because someone is patronizing doesn't mean they're wrong (in this case, it'd be making the guy genuinely correct in his assessment about being a better navigator - just not because he's a guy and she's a girl, but just because he's got more training/understanding of it). Like that arrogant girl power shit isn't good either, especially when a character (the girl) is otherwise shown to be an incompetent dipshit UNTIL its time to show up a male character. Sure, have her get mad at his attitude and dig her heels in, but turn it into character growth where she realizes she does need to acknowledge where and when she isnt the best fit for a role. And then have the guy end up having to correct his own thinking a bit too, by having some situation he didnt expect or know how to handle correctly end up allowing an "untrained"" perspective actually solve the problem. Because that is also a thing - people who are trained in something sometimes get stuck in a narrow way of thinking, and thats a much more interesting and applicable character flaw than "haha girls are just cute and useless" attitude. This way it ends up being an overall "both characters have valuable contributions if they can work together" vibe to it.

[@affogatocookie5.046]

His VA is actually really good and I like his voice, if I make my own show one day I might consider having him voice one of the characters.

[@WittingStudios]

The writing here, makes Sonic.exe sound like a master piece.

[@Sickmmaner]

"My name is Rosemary." "Hahaha... *Are you sure?* 😈"

[@wolfbane7497]

Humans don't act like this they don't act like this in the real world this is not how humans interact with women

[@halodragonmaster]

*Twitter is not a real place!*

[@thecoolcarhd4402]

are you insisting that woman are not human!?, Humans means man and woman, There is womankind and mankind, But mankind can also mean woman and man, Depending on the context.

[@wolfbane7497]

@@thecoolcarhd4402 you're definitely somebody from Twitter but let me clarify this. For your little uneducated brain can understand I'm not insisting that there are no women. Or men choose some men emphasize on some not all. Can be mean to women but the dialogue in this show when it comes to men and women interaction. Is not realistic this is not how men and women talk this is not how humans communicate. Humans meaning both men and women when I use humans. Okay now you understand humans means all I don't think I have to explain that. But you so woke and live on Twitter a fake world you haven't been disconnected from The matrix very long. To see the real world but anyway yes men can be mean to women but that's like a small drop. Compared to the greater whole of humanity and what I mean humanity again I mean everyone. But you're saying that women can't be mean to men it's a scientific fact. That women mature faster than men do and some women at a younger age can be mean to men. Because they don't know how to handle their emotions and feelings at a certain young age. The age that High guardian spice is at adolescence and because women mature faster they can be a lot meaner to men. at that age I'm not saying that all women act like this I'm saying that a few women act like this. Just like a few men act like this and adolescents too because they're arrogant they're young and they have fire in their belly. And they're just waiting to prove that they're invincible and that's a scientific fact.

[@m_e_s_o_t_h_e_l_i_o_m_a]

"Aster, can we please just keep going-" "Look Rubarb, I'm pretty sure you think you know the way, but I have more experience in navigating! So you let me do the leading, and you keep looking cute; 'kay?" "It's Rosemary.." "Right! Rosemary; totally knew that." "Sure; look, you say you know navigating right? Well, I'm the only one who knows how to work the compass." "True..." "YES. So, I'll man the directions while you keep an eye out for landmarks and stuff that can help us get through this maze. Deal?" "You're really cute when you use that brain of yours." *grabs him by the wrist with an annoyed sigh, partially failing to hide the blush on her face* "Yeah yeah Asteroid." "Aster-" "Doesn't feel good does it?" *cut to next scene as the two make their way to the next challenge in the maze* (My writing is a bit clunky but ey at least I put more effort into the dialogue than the creators of this show 🙄)

[@MisterBeagleton]

This is actually so bad that I’m having trouble processing it.

[@VitchAndVorty]

Yeah, now I know why... Imagine purposedly creating a misogynist character for the sake of hating it. And that guy's not even a bad guy(Still, even if he's a villain, 'misogyny' is still a lame reason to hate him).

[@jayfoxsquare307]

Just look at my boy Jigen, His "misogyny is legendary"

[@VitchAndVorty]

@@jayfoxsquare307 The writing is super cringe. I can say that much. Even the tremor guy from Invincible has more interesting lines and he's a literal bad guy.

[@gastongl404]

@@VitchAndVorty that "dialogue" was writen by a "person" that doesn't love men, and that person will still be triggered if a man just said "hi", the end of the dialogue sound more like "shut up i am not an object, know ur place savage man, fear me and follow me bcz i am a smart strong independent woman and be thankful that i am keeping u around" and remember that's the real point of view of that "person" and it's group

[@fizzycat3506]

*cough* *cough* Cal *cough* *cough*

[@mertensiam3384]

The thing is, if it were from a guy supposed to be good, him being misogynistic would be a good reason to be hated, just like if he was racist or whatever But if he's s villain or an antagonist then hating on him for that is kinda stupid because he's supposed to be a bad person or at the very least a jerk it's like hating a hero for them being a good person it makes no sense

[@kawaiiPASTA]

Wow, this scene would have been so powerful if this show came out in like, 1980 or something.

[@bumblebeepicnic6917]

Typically, writers have to refine their work several times before it ever sees the light of day. Either the editor for this show sugarcoated their critique, making the writers think that this script was acceptable-or worse, the writers churned out a first draft and never bothered to edit it. Given how unnatural this exchange is, I honestly think it's the latter. What makes it all the more frustrating is that they had years to write a competent script (I know animation takes a long time, but it's so limited on this show, I can't imagine it taking more than a few months to complete). They clearly thought their "progressive" message would be enough to carry this show. The writing isn't bad because the crew are all women, but because they cared more about being woke than creating interesting characters or lore.

[@Xeronoia]

Or third - they churned out a first draft and then circle-jerked themselves over how good it was while cackling like a bunch of twitter soccer moms.

[@yagamerboichucc6120]

They probably got critiqued by someone and got butt hurt until they decided to just tell them it was good so theyd shut up and post it

[@parixz2208]

"My name is Rosemary." "Are you sure?" "No bitch I'm not sure." 😭✋