What To Expect From The Senate Impeachment Trial l FiveThirtyEight Politics Podcast

[@Davemon115]

Perry's consistently brought insightful points to the podcast, but it's not often that we get to see him as fired up as he was over voter suppression in Georgia. It's refreshing.

[@kkris1372]

@tom tuker oh no the scary democrats are coming for you! RUN!!!!

[@NeedleInTheHay1990]

@tom tuker Dude, I've seen you comment on almost every recent FiveThirtyEight upload. Instead of typing into the abyss, perhaps you should log off and connect with your friends and families - maybe they can bring you back to reality?

[@rugguggla8766]

@tom tuker yes, i'm sure republicans in georgia are so concerned about integrity, that's it. not at all that they want to make it less accessible for democrats to vote, and thus make it easier for Republicans to win. obviously it's the integrity part lol.

[@eburns-nc]

All four of you are great, but Perry Bacon, Jr is consistently one of the smartest commentators out there and I particularly enjoy hearing his perspective.

[@MisterBuckDancer]

I've watched him find a killer groove. When he joined, it seemed to me that the ideas were sharp, but all at once and scattered. He's absolutely crushing it.

[@joegroves2517]

I didn't know about her before but Tia Mitchell was really good, please have her on again!

[@CascadiaAviation]

Her perspective was very valuable on this podcast. It's crazy she was inside the capitol that day

[@33maxfletcher]

I love your podcasts. Your calm civility is a shining beacon to the rest of the planet!

[@ElementalNimbus]

@tom tuker "I preferred to be lied to by angry white men who yell a lot." -tom tuker

[@parkergunther6793]

Tia was a great add. Would have loved to hear more about her experience in the capital.

[@cpotisch]

This was an absolutely fantastic episode. Tia rocks!

[@ElementalNimbus]

Yay more AJC. I thanked ya'll the last time you brought someone from them on. Glad to see you are catering to my exact demands. :)

[@cpotisch]

This is the same AJC reporter as last time.

[@lucasjames7524]

More Tia Mitchell!!!! And bring back Clare Malone!!!!!

[@LeeEricsson]

Kinda crazy to have a trial where the defendant is guilty, prima facie. But will get acquitted because senators are not real a jury. A jury must decide based on the evidence, not political persuasion

[@BubbyBoy]

@tom tuker 😬

[@ElementalNimbus]

@tom tuker I see you are back again like always. Your statement makes no sense in context. I see what you are trying to imply, it is just done very poorly. Who is the judge? Who is the jury? Are you saying it just Democrats who are both? If that was true this entire video is pointless as we would clearly just convict and move on. Also evidence has been heard by the entire population for weeks now. For a true jury you would try to find impartial person(s). In this case the building they are conducting the trial in was literally attacked as part of the accused defendant's actions. I understand you will be here every video at this point. Please put a little more effort in to at least become interesting to read.

[@sunjinaahuja6543]

It is indeed awkward, impeachment and conviction is inherently a political process though - it is not a criminal process. The rules of criminal procedure do not apply.

[@ianmoore3470]

@tom tuker what kinda guy calling the dems commies is even watching the 538 podcast😂

[@DrMorpheus]

@tom tuker Mediocre trolling at best - The lyrics are bad, it has no tune and the beat is undanceable: I'd give it a 50. Better luck next time. 👎🚫🤡💩

[@ellengreenlaw8839]

Tia's information helpful. Let's hear from her more.

[@cpotisch]

22:41 Nate is absolutely beaming and gleeful that he doesn't have to think about Trump all the time. I love it.

[@hard2fathom1]

true that!

[@parkergunther6793]

He's so stoked to not think about it he literally is googling to make sure he's allowed to not care 😂

[@tylerhackner9731]

Even though it’s highly unlikely, they should still convict him.

[@johntremmel3949]

@tom tuker oh I see that’s what what aboutism means!

[@HappyNBoy]

@tom tuker I support violence in the streets to protest injustice. I fail to see what is honorable about supporting violence directly against our lawmakers and institutions to protest fair and free elections.

[@ctrain9257]

@UCPK-d_M2M0zU3VrXUyAOF7Q do you support murder, looting, fires, & harassment for your “cause” ?

[@Kruezoraxe]

@tom tuker I think you should go outside and get some fresh air

[@HappyNBoy]

@tom tuker this guy: being upset with with cops' extra judicial killings of largely minorities for decades going unaddressed is exactly as bad as attempting to kidnap and kill duly elected officials because you're dumb enough to believe lies from a game show host.

[@SpitefulRennie]

I love Tia's analysis and insight. I also love her fashion model offside angle 🤩

[@remyscreepycorner5135]

They are really struggling between being evil or evil and bat shit insane. Tough choice.

[@parkergunther6793]

....wait are you calling the 538 guys evil? 😂 This just seems extreme regardless of view point. I mean you can think they're wrong but like.. evil seems a bit dramatic. Idk maybe it's just me 🤷

[@remyscreepycorner5135]

@@parkergunther6793 I’m talking About republicans trying to choose between Liz Cheany and Marge Green, sorry that wasn’t clear

[@parkergunther6793]

@@remyscreepycorner5135 hahahahahaha! okay, that makes a lot more sense 😂😂 sorry about that

[@remyscreepycorner5135]

@@parkergunther6793 haha no worries!!

[@miz_logo_lee]

I’d like a discussion about the movement in the Arizona State Senate to pass a Bill that allows said body to overturn the election. Kind of chilling; not sure how likely this could go through.

[@miz_logo_lee]

@Observer this also needs to be a campaign point to get Republicans out of state office: in short, they cannot be trusted, especially as they are appearing to want to censure or primary the Mitt Romney/Liz Cheney steadfast-to-rule-of-law members of the party. It’s serious.

[@miz_logo_lee]

I also fear this is what could be called “can’t see the trees for the forest” situation. We are looking so much at voter suppression and hardly at all how it may not matter.

[@cs2360]

Please Note: To vote by mail in Georgia today, already, one must submit one's Driver's License # to request a mail-in ballot. I know this from personal experience. I twice requested mail-in ballots (one for the General Election and, later, one for the Senate runoffs). Both times I was required to provide my Georgia Driver's License # as part of the online application process for a mail-in ballot. ... and this is in addition to the signature check that was mentioned. That the proposed legislation would require me to send a .jpg of my Driver's License instead of simply typing in the number seems goofy. (Obviously it is an added hassle designed to deter people from making such requests. I'm not convinced it'll actually hurt Dem voters more than GOP voters, though)

[@TarantulaLegarinos]

I really enjoy Tia's perspectives in the podcast! Still missing Claire but great work anyhow!

[@mickmickymick6927]

Another great guest in Tia Mitchell. Now that Clare is gone there is more space for these excellent guests they've had recently.

[@templetonpatrick]

I thought the Weeknd's show was one of the best in recent memory!

[@parkergunther6793]

I normally like to respect people's opinions but sir. NO.

[@DanielZajic]

That was some really good discussion. Thanks!

[@ethanmackler1160]

Nebraska's GOP also censured Ben Sasse for voting to go ahead with the proceedings.

[@judithsanborn4913]

I so agree about Perry. He is my all time favorite, just nudging out Walter Cronkite. Tia is new to me - she’s definitely a serious contender. This podcast keeps getting better and better.

[@jbnelson]

22:41 the sly smile on Nate’s face AHAHAHA

[@cpotisch]

Ikr? It absolutely killed me. He’s just so proud.

[@ElementalNimbus]

I do want to add to Perry's comment that "Every Black Person is not a Liberal.". If you look into this it is actually even more true than you think at first glance. Usually on pure conservative/liberal ideology there is a vary large portion of Black Conservatives who still vote Democrat. If the Republican party wasn't seen as generally racist both in tone and policy, they would be an even stronger force electorally. Granted you can't ask a Zebra to change its stripes. At this point I'm not sure the two different are even different at any meaningful degree. Maybe if they stopped being the party of Xenophobia they'd lose some of that vote back to the Democratic party for other issues such as Social Security or Minimum Wage laws.

[@Jxkwkgxb]

I agree alot. This is a strange global phenomenon, where left wing parties build coalitions that rely heavily on quite conservative minority groups, that they can only rely on because of decades of alienation.

[@fififinance7469]

Let's see what the next few weeks will bring.

[@dogdrawler]

Imagine using claims of cheating as a pretext to do your own cheating

[@MsSmile2005]

More quirky please. Without Harry or Clare, we really need Micah back on!

[@liberator6]

If you wish to vote, you must first register by filling out the correct form, which may be requested by calling this toll-free number at least six months prior to the election. Once you receive the form by mail, you must fill it out and sign it before a notary public and then send two mimeographed copies, together with three forms of approved identification, by carrier pigeon to both your state and local seats of government. . .

[@buddylee212444]

Perry with the go 2 knowledge

[@WeatherManToBe]

57:45 so funny to hear this is automatically "cannot get passed" when it's standard essentials in all other democracies ✋😭

[@jessicaonymous4352]

No podcast today? I was hoping to get a run down on the impeachment trail. Tried to listen in when things were slow at work but I didn't get the whole thing

[@HappyNBoy]

Can the conviction vote be a secret ballot?

[@tanmaygupta5504]

Theoretically it could but senate rules state that as long as 20% of senators want the vote to be public, then the vote must be public. I think there are more than 20 gop senators who want to publicly state their support for Trump. I also think there are more than 20 dem senators who want the gop to publicly state their support for trump so that way the possibility of the democrats gaining senate seats in 2022, which were already pretty high to begin with, increases

[@tanmaygupta5504]

Also a public vote exposes the gop divide. trump is the most popular politician amongst the gop base but liz Cheney is the most popular republican amongst the population as a whole. If the spotlight continues to be on the gop divide, it gives more cover to biden and the dems for doing partisan things or moving toward the left

[@HappyNBoy]

@@tanmaygupta5504 good points. Also useful to know that it only takes 20% to make it a public vote. I ask because I wonder if they could get 17 GOP votes under a secret ballot? Because as it stands I doubt they'll even get 5.

[@HappyNBoy]

@@tanmaygupta5504 good points. Also useful to know that it only takes 20% to make it a public vote. I ask because I wonder if they could get 17 GOP votes under a secret ballot? Because as it stands I doubt they'll even get 5.

[@tanmaygupta5504]

@@HappyNBoy I mean the consensus is that if it was secret than there would be like 75-80 votes to convict. This was also true about his first trial. But it is highly unlikely that either party will let the vote be secret.

[@AlohaMilton]

Nation of laws supporting freedom and human rights, or a free for all with the wealthy and abusively immoral in charge, whatever sick of this shit.

[@IanZainea1990]

22:45 ENTIRE DAYS???

[@thomthom6268]

But he's tracking Trump Google searches...

[@DrMorpheus]

At the risk of piling on, the standard set by Prince for Super Bowl halftime shows is never going to be reached much less exceeded. Now maybe Mahomes or some other QB will equal or beat Tom Brady's record of Super Bowl wins but halftime shows as good as Prince? Forget it...

[@wilt582]

I loved the Weeknd!

[@jamesp8516]

Is it just me or does Galen pronounce his vowels loudly

[@thomthom6268]

Where is Galen?

[@neilwilson5785]

Weeknd at least memed on Reddit. The GOP did not.

[@wegder]

It could turn out that Republicans will insist on electing people that will vote along party lines on future January 6th EC certification votes. I live in a poor low cost of living State, $10 an hour living wage, vs $15 an hour living wage in Los Angeles, I don't really care if they raise it but it will be extremely difficult for a lot of small businesses because many more people will want to paid $5 more per hour. Maybe the federal government should subsidize the pay raise. My State is so Red, if trump had called off the election and outlawed the Democratic party, most people in my State would support that, because blacks vote for Democrats. Lindsey expressed the Republican mind, when we win it is because voters liked our ideas, if we lose it is because democrats cheated.

[@MrPEIcanada]

my expectations are about the same low leve;l as i have for everything that touches trump... republicans, even if they didnt approve of the insurrection, have already largely forgotten the events that led to it and so have the public... thats the problem with insta-text society, long term memory loss... the same gopers who let him off the first time will let him off another time and another and another until the end of days... those are my expectations

[@ahamed4152]

59:13 does she know the Dems can do the same thing for judges? poor example.

[@cpotisch]

No it’s a good example. Mitch blew up the filibuster for SCOTUS picks and pushed through a record number of nominations that Obama was supposed to fill. It’s wholly applicable here.

[@ahamed4152]

@@cpotisch did Reed not blow up the filibuster in 2013? Mitch only blow up the filibuster for the highest court.

[@andyh4518]

What I expect - a bunch of self righteous preening and an acquittal.

[@andyh4518]

@tom tuker You really think the Republicans won't take the chance to make grandiose speeches in a transparent attempt to suck up to Trump and his supporters?

[@BubbyBoy]

@@andyh4518 don't feed him; he's been screaming into the void by simping for Trump

[@IAmThankfulToday]

Halftime show was not among the classics. ROFL

[@hiatsu2k878]

#notmyclaire

[@hard2fathom1]

The halftime show was atrocious. "The weeknd" is awful and should learn how to spell!

[@AlanDampog]

donald j trump was never very interesting...

[@thecatsupdog]

Get a different 4th commenter.

[@austingergen]

Is 538 as far left as CNN? No, but it's getting pretty damn close.

[@christinebenson518]

No one is forcing you to watch it. 538 is owned by ABC News.

[@oobndroobw]

Facts and reality are admittedly very biased towards Democrats

[@austingergen]

@@christinebenson518 And? I'm voluntarily watching it, and expressing a fact about it. I'm not saying they should be shut down, I'm just saying they're clearly left-leaning, and the reactions to my comments indicate that their audience is just as bad if not worse.