What Vince McMahon did can't be defended | Wrestling Observer Radio

[@Dandizz]

People are still defending Benoit, if you think these geeks won't defend Vince, you're clueless.

[@thecedex]

yeah sometimes I think Wrestling fans live under the bubble. I still can't believe people are calling Martha Hart selfish for not letting WWE use Owen Hart. Like people still seem to think Wrestling priorities is more important than a wife and her kids suddenly losing a husband and a father due to a dangerous stunt that could have been prevented. And all this "she's making people forget Owen" when the foundation, of his namesake, helped so much people.

[@Snakeskin94]

Oh they do. Wrestling fans are some of the only fans, and wrestling itself is one of the few mediums left, that refuses to modernize. Sure AEW tries and sometimes one breaks through with them, or the indies, or even WWE, but they refuse to modernize. They live in a bubble and they want to stay in that bubble, because they're incapable of change, most of them. ​@thecedex

[@thecedex]

@@Snakeskin94 thing is it's ok Vince McMahon's contribution to Wrestling because that is undeniable but, like Louis B. Mayer or Harvey Weinstein who revolutionized the movie industry, we have to acknowledge the horrible things he's done. At least in the movie industry, people do acknowledge the awful things powerful people have done. There's still a lot of people in Wrestling (fans and talents) that won't do the same. And I guess it's just because while the movie industry is part of mainstream culture, Wrestling is one the outside in it's own bubble. And it allows people to dissociate Wrestling from reality.

[@Snakeskin94]

@thecedex that's a good perspective on it- I like how you worded that.

[@MrJonnyl123]

What vince did is not even remotely comparable. Big difference being a sleazy perv and a child murderer

[@deekdeegler5059]

Dave has to watch all 6 hours in one day because he’s already getting questions on it lol. Fucking hilarious

[@ArthurDent33]

Expect alot of “Look over here” propaganda from TKO this week

[@flyguy7825]

Of course, and guess what their fans are gonna follow it and shit on everybody else because they’re enjoying the company can you imagine if Vince never left that company these fans would be up looking a crucify the company the best thing that ever happened to this company now was Vince McMahon leaving because if you have any type of brain and really looked at it from an object point of view, you would know that a lot of people on that companyturn the other way because they didn’t want to be in his way and they didn’t want their careers to suffer. It’s either their ass or her ass and they clearly chose their ass.

[@DungTran-li2wn]

the rock is live on Monday! lol

[@megamanxhunter]

It's funny to me how quiet Ari Emmanuel has been about this, considering how he was more than happy to talk trash about CAA regarding Harvey Weinstein.

[@DungTran-li2wn]

@@megamanxhunter and what do Ari and Harvey have in common?

[@megamanxhunter]

@@DungTran-li2wn CAA got in trouble because some agents knew about Weinstein's predatory behavior, and even sent some actresses to him.

[@georgenicholson6080]

People always seemed concerned about Foley ending up in a wheelchair but his brain is what has truly suffered.

[@deekdeegler5059]

I can guarantee Foley is smarter than you. Just because someone has an opinion on someone you don’t like doesn’t mean they have brain damage. You know a lot of people defend people they knew personally until they have more information.

[@mattb6616]

I can guarantee he was never particularly bright and the brain damage didn't help. He's still a nice guy. ​@@deekdeegler5059

[@georgenicholson6080]

@@deekdeegler5059 I think he's a bright man but you know nothing about me. I wipe my ass with your guarantee. Foley is punch drunk. I've seen it a million times. You're another internet tool hiding behind your keyboard being cocky stating things you'd never have to fortitude to say to my face.

[@flyguy7825]

Bro, it doesn’t matter he really spoke on his true feelings and you think he was the only one that felt the way that he felt about Vince McMahon. No, they said what they said because they don’t wanna believe he’s a sexual predator because of the great things they did for him and his career, knowing thatVince profit off of him probably more than he profit it off of him and his company

[@justinlaite5542]

@@deekdeegler5059 that's a deekdeegler guarantee! LOL Maybe you and Mick are both dumb. Mick also thinks Linda McMahon is a decent person despite her being in trump's inner circle for decades.

[@times2duel]

I'm surprised the feds haven't gotten him yet

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Why? Should they “get” him before they do a thorough investigation or wait to see what, if any, evidence is discovered?

[@RunandLift2]

@@ithinkaboutthings9052 It's all emotional manipulation with the Anti Vince everything crowd. They can't differentiate ongoing with completed.

[@rubberchix]

Tbf you know less than nothing

[@RunandLift2]

@@rubberchix None of the virtue signalers do. But they believe 3rd hand information on people they don't like. But not first hand about people they don't

[@alextorres-limon5548]

​@@RunandLift2it's always been a shoot first ask questions later with accusations. Clowns will believed that whole lawsuit accusation before it went to trial. People 1000% believe any accusation before hearing Vince's side.

[@patbroadbent8415]

"Pro Vince people will not like the documentary " - Dave No shit.

[@taterthepenguin]

What Vince did can't be defended, UNLESS you're an average youtube commenter.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Just like Bryan said, expecting the 1st half of the Doc to be the 'positive & humanising' Vince material & the 2nd half to eviscerate him.

[@zartan215]

I'll skip the first half.

[@pooldead7712]

​@zartan215 I don't think it will be as interesting as you think and you probably will already know everything they will say.

[@Gwanzan3325]

Even the first half will have steroids and Jimmie Snooka.

[@meciocio]

​@@pooldead7712so i'll skip the whole documentary then

[@tcuff1333]

Vince haters won't be happy because Netflix can't do the conspiracies and speculation they are used to from KZbin videos because Netflix has money and they will be sued !

[@jasonjimerson7046]

I wonder if Vince was on the Epstein list... 🤔

[@FrankGrimes9]

Hes right there with elon, trump, and clinton

[@RunandLift2]

@@FrankGrimes9 You are an npc. The most throwaway dialog in a rpg

[@FrankGrimes9]

@@RunandLift2 a npc? 😂 Where do I sign up to learn the language of geeks?

[@RunandLift2]

@@FrankGrimes9 I don't think you'll have much trouble. Yes a person with boring opinions

[@theSuperviLLain_est]

Probably not, he couldn’t open any doors that Epstein/the science community would want

[@somewhiteguy8444]

Meltzer is gonna watch 10 hours of wrestling/wrestling related content in a day. That's more than I'll watch in a week sometimes 😂

[@undertakerfanz628]

Vince Diddy Combs

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

Bad-boy 4 life

[@sicsicsicker]

V Diddy?

[@AngelPerezComedy]

Vince McCombs

[@duckmercy11]

So Janel Grant = Cassie Ventura?

[@johnnieriot13]

Sean Diddy meekman

[@aaronpoliwoda8054]

Not to say that journalism isn’t difficult, but it must be rough having to watch six hours of tv for your job.

[@Voysh2Voysh69]

6 hours of TV is my day off from work lol after 40-50 hours every week in the automotive industry

[@flyguy7825]

I wasn’t gonna watch this before all this tells me is that I’m never gonna watch it

[@backlogcabin8003]

People undermine just how much wrestling these people HAVE to watch. And take notes, and write articles, and plan video/audio content, moderate forums, and update websites, and generate publicity every single day

[@SuperDaidai14]

People in the comments defending a billionaire they don’t know personally with a DOCUMENTED sketchy past is sad

[@tcuff1333]

What about people defending a woman they don't know or even heard speak with a sketchy past who was caught lying and contradicting herself in her court documents !

[@scesfizia]

Celebrity will blind lots of people to anything

[@stevemygoodman7809]

By attacking him, you’re believing the billionaires who wanted to take him down. Everyone on both sides is defending billionaires

[@SuperDaidai14]

@@stevemygoodman7809 I didn’t attack him I just said he has a documented sketchy past… which he does 😭😭😭

[@stevemygoodman7809]

@@SuperDaidai14 you said ‘the people defending a billionaire’. I’m only saying that anyone, not you specifically, attacking him is also defending billionaires. Those billionaires are using the woman victim as their go between to get Vince out.

[@TheHalcyonShow]

I enjoy these guys when I watch. I just wish Dave would avoid the stop start delivery of his thoughts. It can be really hard to follow sometimes.

[@flyguy7825]

Oh yes, listen I have nothing against Dave Melzer, but listen to him talk and ramble and rant and go off on tangents is something I just cannot tolerate for a long period of time

[@yeahboy5133]

Still no investigation from wwe released

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Why would a company release anything about some internal personnel matter?

[@brettl9314]

​@@ithinkaboutthings9052transparency for share holders. They are publicly traded. I mean won't happen, but in theory...

[@DXMSommelier]

pretty sure Vince's son in law who helps run the company might have had an inkling as to what Vince was up to

[@RunandLift2]

@@DXMSommelier What about Vince's son who just met with Tony Khan? Why not bring that up too?

[@oelboy]

Because it's totally normal to openly discuss your sexual escapades with your family.🙄🙄

[@Steven-uz2tt]

​​@@RunandLift2so what? Let's talk about the guy who still works for WWE and actually had a closer relationship with the rapist Vince McMahon. Try and address that, shitforbrains.

[@dolandarkxgrandayy6953]

I'm sure Shad Khan told Tony all about his trip to Epstein's Island. Look it up, he's in the flight logs

[@jamesmaskell3743]

No doubt the office would have known about Janel Grant being in a relationship with Vince McMahon, but the details, nah. Low level gossip kinda stuff. Grant being in the office only because of McMahon kinda crap.

[@backlogcabin8003]

Dave and Brian are living on the edge of history. An incredible responsibility to uphold but also sucks to be them sometimes

[@nohbuddy1]

It's not hard to say "The accusations are awful"

[@MachoJoe]

McMahon did incredibly positive things for others and extremely awful things to others. He is an extremist which is why he was so successful in promoting professional wrestling.

[@keithhosannah3022]

I still find it wild that Jim Ross was not asked to take part in this documentary. He would have had some stories...

[@justinlaite5542]

He's a vince bootlicker.

[@ryanmadgwick6016]

Anyone disturbed by the way Dave holds the microphone, or is it just me?

[@xShoTime83x]

Meltzer is the consummate professional couch potato, binge watching rasslin content and reporting back to the sickos.

[@GuitarAnthony]

Is Dave going to watch the Dump Matsumoto series as well this week?

[@daveborder7751]

Dave can't deal with that much dumping in a week.

[@duckmercy11]

Hope so. He was in the crowd at the peak of the Crush Gals vs. Atrocious Alliance feud.

[@brandoncoit9295]

I hope Dave knows the feds can recover those text messages no problem, and Vince is really out of touch if he thought deleting them would be the end of it

[@alistairarchibald1312]

the documentary would be 6 stars if it was in the Tokyo Dome (sorry)

[@DavidDexterGaming]

We don't know exactly what he did, only what the accusations are. Even the crazy texts might have been something she encouraged from a senile old man, we just don't have enough knowledge or facts to assume him guilty or innocent, we just don't know.

[@GoodOldCinema]

Its unfortunate that Vince McMahon has been vilified for engaging in relationships with consenting adults. Janel Grant has made people believe she's an angel when in fact she's a golddigger. A 41 year old law school graduate claiming she was coerced into a relationship and abused is not believable. Thos wasn't a one-time incident. She was in a relationship with Vince for years. If she truly was being abused she could have quit and sued him sooner. She was doing it for the money and only filed a lawsuit after the money dried up. Vince McMahon is simply a victim of the unforgiving (and stupid) cancel culture.

[@brainofwombat]

Dave can't ask for a screener?

[@tristhekid]

I expect there to be the story. Vince did good things and bad things, there shouldn’t a pro or anti Vince sentiment, just the story.

[@ben8447]

The host keeps talking over Dave

[@Rasslinwithracism]

Coming from WCW where else would make Foley be successful if he wasn’t successful in the WWE?

[@duckmercy11]

Ecw, japan, tna

[@theSuperviLLain_est]

I had always heard Mick Foley was a JR hiring and that Vince did it cuz JR needed to know what it felt like to have a wrestler let you down. Had never heard Corny went to bat for Foley?

[@Iliketoeatallday]

Makes sense though, I could see Cornette liking Foley

[@silveredgrunion7196]

Was it ever explained why tatanka joined the million dollar corporation? If you recall, he faced DiBiases undertaker a month earlier...was it a set up that far back?

[@jotac87278]

Jesus, spit it out, Dave. Who gives Dave the right to be disappointed by Mick? It was their relationship. Who cares if Vince didn't see it at first. Once he did, he put the machine behind him. But, to judge someone because he said nice things about Vince is cowardly

[@zanief__]

There is no doubt in my mind vince was at a diddy party

[@tcuff1333]

Diddy is friends with the rock and the rock introduced Vince and Diddy when he wrestled cena in 2013 .

[@zoidbergnoise]

Vince going to jail would truly be a perfect opening act of the documentary.

[@_BigTimer85]

BIZZARO WORLD

[@Kyle-ty7qh]

Must be hard to work 6 hrs a day…watching television

[@RunandLift2]

@@Kyle-ty7qh watching 6 hours a day is insane. And if it's trash. Even worse

[@Kyle-ty7qh]

@@RunandLift2 don’t forget the AEW overruns, which add minutes to the trash

[@RunandLift2]

@Kyle-ty7qh Aew lives off the lead in and overruns. They help make the numbers look slightly better. It's just a sleight of hand. Look at q2 -nornal end time. Do the averages, and you'll see the actual number. Like All In this year. Reported 50k+ actual 46,476. Yes. Of course, anonymous fans named user279g will say they were there.

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

@@Kyle-ty7qh I'd rather work in a salt mine in Africa than watch 6 hours of Aew

[@Kyle-ty7qh]

@@user-rx2hw8up2j it’ll go by faster haha and you’ll get in better shape than AEW’s “wrestlers.”

[@vincej733]

I don’t believe anything coming from Janel, she’s clearly just after more money

[@dustincongello5802]

It can be defended...If he didnt physically force himself on any of those females then I don't see the problem.they call it sex trafficking to make it sound so much worse. She was offered money and drugs to have sex with different people and she chose to play ball...you don't get to contribute to a horrible deed then cry that you are a victim. I don't care if he offered her a job or threatened to fire her if she didn't do things or to stay silent she could have quit and spoke out at anytime but she chose to quit and speak out only after she did what she did and got paid or got a job and had somthing to speak out about..she decided her job or money whatever, was worth doing what vince asked for at the time, then when you feel bad about yourself for doing it you act like a victim.thats like a gangster willingly murdering people for their boss then act like you were a victim when they start feeling bad about murdering people..this lady made a choice to do sexual favors for whatever reason. Unless Vince physically forced her I don't think she deserves to take the money Vince worked hard for even wrestled and bled for.yes taking advantage of her situation was wrong and Vince is a disgusting person. But everyone is treating this lady like a victim when probably everyday there is someone that turns down doing somthing that compromises their values .she made the choice to play ball then with the metoo stuff and people telling her she is a victim and cause she felt dirty for selling herself for whatever, now wants bigger cut.ill say agian Vince is a horrible disgusting person.but she made the choice .I guess when I was offered to sell drug when i really needed the money I should have done it and when I started feeling bad I should have sued the guy I was selling for, because I really needed the money and my boss took advantage of that so I was the victim. See how the logic breaks down when it doesn't involve a female crying abuse..you hear rich man manipulates a female that needed the money and everyone looks past the choices the female made because apparently all men have a power to force females into doing sexual favor just by using words. . This country has lost all ability to think logically and go by facts instead of feelings. If it wasn't for all the men and women that sacrifice themselves in our military that die so we can keep our freedoms I would be ashamed to call myself american. I already went from being a proud new worker to being ashamed of being a new Yorker due to lack of care for its new york American citizens. This lady Vince took advantage of didn't deserve what happened to her but she shouldn't be look at as if she was some innocent victim, she could have said no and quit at any time . I'm guessing she was happy until she maybe was fired or maybe Vince found a new girl. Whatever the case both Vince and the female are horrible people with no values or morals

[@oelboy]

Of course it can be defended. That's why it's allegations at this point and there is no verdict.

[@TribalThief]

Why did she keep going to work and accepting gifts and money?

[@Corzza025]

Keep defending the sexual predator

[@_BigTimer85]

Because she enjoyed it. She enjoyed receiving checks that would continue her life with the everyday necessities. She enjoyed her high level position within the company that she knowingly was unqualified for. She enjoyed....well, you know....

[@daveborder7751]

Wonder what the Khan's will say about Al-Fayed & what he has 'given' to so many women? Sr was gushing about him years back-Mr Khan added: “I was recently very fortunate to have been introduced to Mohamed Al Fayed, a man I respect and admire immensely for what he has accomplished in his life and - above all - what he has given others. The already lame defence Harrods have made-seeing as there were tv current affairs shows about it in the past-from 1997 forwards & Private Eye covered it regularly in the 1990's & 2000's isn't applicable here, seeing as a former manager said women had to be protected from him while he was there from 2001-2003.

[@wrestlingwiththedevil]

So what side of the fence will you sit on, Dave? This documentary is gonna be soft compared to what's coming.

[@jacobcotton2758]

Let me know when he’s actually charged with something. These goofballs don’t like his vision of wrestling because of the lack of flips and have been ready to end him for years. Let’s hear all the facts first

[@Mortallica03]

Remember that weird guy that was stalking and threating Ryback??? He did it because "Ryback mocked Vince and his mom" lol thats the type of sickos that defend Vince

[@jonathanellis6097]

The wwe droids definitely will though.

[@adams6438]

These two managed to talk 9 minutes of nothing

[@SebastianMikulec]

Dave taking 10 minutes to say something that can be said in 30 seconds is the most Dave thing he can do.

[@adams6438]

@@SebastianMikulec their podcast could be doing so much better if they get to the effing point.. so much dead air its annoying to listen to

[@ryanhood999]

Vince is indirectly Responsible for how many deaths…🤔 likely several… so why is everyone shocked he might take a dump on someone… or schedule a freak-off with his mistress… he’s never cared about anyone other than Vince… but a couple of wrestlers who won’t condemn him because of alleged activities with his disgruntled sugar baby are getting more heat than he is… don’t ask for an opinion if you’re gonna melt when it’s different than yours

[@alextorres-limon5548]

Ever since the Vince story has taken place, Meltzer sounds heartbroken believes everything anti Vince. Everyone wants Cena, Mark and others to disown Vince and cut 100% ties. The WSJ gave people the biggest optimism because their prayers of Vince going away came true. Everyone bitched and moaned about WWE creative and they did the biggest victory lap when the article and Vince's resignation took place. Even if the articles never happened, people would've celebrated his passing. Also meltzer in this and others ignore the fact that she only spoke up because Vince supposedly stopped paying. He pays in full, she disappears forever. But since he doesn't, she speaks and Everyone takes her word because Vince's checkered past. Today's world looks at accusations with a shoot first ask questions later mentality. Everyone already despised Vince and they ate that lawsuit like it was a bone.

[@glenndallas7171]

Allegations have followed him for DECADES. If it wasn't Grant, it would've been someone else.

[@alextorres-limon5548]

@@glenndallas7171 Where is Meltzer's heartbreak and disgust with Austin then? He sounds so high and mighty about Vince with the text. Yet he and everyone has given Austin a pass when it's literally public knowledge what Austin did in his relationships. That's picking and choosing.

[@glenndallas7171]

@@alextorres-limon5548 He should be, because what Austin did was wrong. But that's got nothing to do with Vince.

[@JC-jl5tj]

Dave continues to ramble without saying a single meaningful thing. Dude can write 20k words but struggles to form a sentence.

[@lorhoff]

Ppor uncle Dave having to watch tv

[@rickroberts7611]

Must need the basement support this month..Fed ded..Dub is real graps 😭

[@meekrob]

Um... Are you having a stroke?

[@rickroberts7611]

@meekrob Don't be a goof..Come out the basement

[@DungTran-li2wn]

everything was gravy until the money dried up.

[@Meltzergoof]

Still can't speak clearly and drag the video for 10 mins (basically repeating one thing in different ways) Ps: vince has done horrible shit

[@daveborder7751]

What do you reckon Tony & his & Dave's playfriends have been getting up to behind the scenes?

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

What Kenny and the boys....😮

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Dave was very close to the California kids for a long time before the Joey Ryan thing went public. He was also rumored by sources close to the situation behind the scenes of helping get Ryan into AEW at the very beginning.

[@adultishgambino1]

@@ithinkaboutthings9052ryan never wrestled for AEW…he was at all in a ROH and new Japan show way before AEW. Then when Tony khan started AEW with the elite he refused to have any of his wrestlers work any independent shows that Joey Ryan was on…what picture are you trying to paint

[@gg.gama666]

Doin your mom

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

@@adultishgambino1 I did not say Ryan was ever actively signed to AEW. But you can go back to several interviews from Meltzer, the Jackson brothers, Khan and Ryan himself planning his AEW debut. Tony realized at the last minute, that he should publicly distance himself and the company from Joey Ryan.

[@tomzarate4694]

That was brutal

[@priestfan81]

I agree. He should have avoided gold-diggers.

[@RobbieLynch-fj3up]

What he’s accused of doing. The courts decide if he did it or not

[@dogred431]

If true, the allegations are disgusting and unforgivable. If it goes to a full court case, then we will learn the actual truth. Until then it's important to acknowledge that these are allegations at this stage. My thoughts are that he is almost certainly guilty, but due process has to take place.

[@alexanderwatters6556]

Totally with you.

[@Tactics006]

think Dave just likes to hear his own voice

[@ChrisCash720]

If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

If the s**t doesn't stick you must acquit

[@andrewbest1449]

What did he do?

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Oh. I did not realize McMahon had been criminally charged and convicted or that Grant prevailed in that court case.

[@_BigTimer85]

News to me as well. Great, down the middle, unbiased "journalism" by these two clowns

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

@@_BigTimer85 Well, they’re just like most of the higher profile “real” journalists - They pick a side and ride it till the next thing comes along. Alvarez is a doof; Dave’s just an old fart who hates all things McMahon-WWE for reasons real and imagined.

[@SeeingShadows]

Bruh they have text messages bruh he's guilty

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

@@SeeingShadows Bruh, those have not been verified bruh. They have not been entered into evidence, bruh. On my first jailhouse visit with a client, I was shown how a text could be manipulated, bruh. Those pasted into the lawsuit are without any context or time frame or lined as part of a multi-text discussion or anything. Bruh.

[@SeeingShadows]

@@ithinkaboutthings9052 yeah bro they're definitely doctored any conspiracy to cap for vince

[@doubles7533]

Most obvious title ever. Thanks Dave.

[@alextorres-limon5548]

Meltzer sounds so overdramatic with this shit and believing everything against Vince hook line and sinker

[@meekrob]

Yeah, I would've gone with "What Vince is accused of doing"

[@doubles7533]

@@meekrob The text messages dont lie.

[@_BigTimer85]

​@@doubles7533AI & computer manipulation does

[@stephenlogan619]

I just had to unsubscribe. There’s only so much bias that one can take. Bryan I appreciate your perspective and you seem incredibly centered and fair on your perspectives but Dave I can’t do it

[@HoodGoblinGang]

Just Sheep in the comments same as Alvarez and Meltzer.

[@mr.c4p]

say what you want but shane will be aew champ by 2025, vkm will then backdoor his way in have the khans whacked and ultimately rename dynamite to WAR IS RAW which will taped out of the manhattan center and ag hall !!!

[@jocam21]

"What Vince did can't be defended". Sure it can be. She only complained AFTER the money stopped being given to her. Everything we first learnt about her WAS a lie. She wasn't 19 years old, grieving from her parents dying vulnerable to being a victim. She was REALLY near 40 years and her parents died after her meeting Vince. And why does a SA victim need a PR firm to represent her, if she's telling the truth?

[@ericfinley220]

It’s entirely possible that they are both bad people but that is nearly impossible for the mob to process because they would have to think instead of just eating what they are fed. Everything we have heard about both parties is damning. You are a fool if you think she is innocent just because Vince is guilty, I do not know the truth, I don’t think anyone knows the whole truth. That is an undeniable fact.

[@thecedex]

Well, I assume, the money was part of the agreement on he non-disclosure so she was in her legal right to file for this after Vince's side could not commit to the agreement. Secondly anyone can be put on a vulnerable spot no matter how old they are. Things can go sideways on your life without you expecting it. Vince knew this and took advantage of the the power dynamic he had over her. Third, most sexual assault victims should get a PR firm or at least someone to help protect their image. A lot of power people can find ways to destroy your life just to discredit you. Look at Weinstein there was basically a tape of him admitting to sexually assaulting a woman, but even that Weinstein had all the power to use the media to basically turn on her and ruin her career. Last point was important because you have to realize how powerful some of these people are or, at least, have more power over the victim.

[@darkace9194]

Vince threatened her with job termination and death. Its what he's known for

[@JoeMastronardo]

Dave : bitter and jealous and hateful

[@FrancesGail-n2c]

Williams Mark Jackson Angela Young Steven

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

Send him to jail Throw away the key

[@DomLab-g2n]

For what getting some booty?

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Based on allegations?

[@rubberchix]

Be honest, have u ever had a girlfriend

[@andrewbest1449]

For?

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

@@andrewbest1449 They feel he should be imprisoned over Snuka’s girlfriend, the steroid circus, Owen, Benoit and the death of the territories. In other words - rumors, allegations and feels. Lol.

[@tristhekid]

I’ve not heard a single person defend Vince. I’ve seen people wanting to wait till all the details are out and it’s gone through a court of law, which is the level headed thing to do rather than making a man guilty until he’s proven innocent. Too many people jump on accusations like they’re the gospel and it’s silly

[@FrankGrimes9]

They do defend Vince. They defend Diddy. Just because you dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. it happening in this thread btw

[@RunandLift2]

@@FrankGrimes9 There is a difference between saying wait until the facts come out and defending. One is safe and the other is wreckless

[@drewburnettepodcasts]

@@RunandLift2 The facts have came out. If you don't know that by now, you don't want to know it.

[@RunandLift2]

@@drewburnettepodcasts So why is he not in jail yet? Public opinion is not the law.

[@nin_tendo6458]

If there are facts out there, and you're saying you're waiting for the facts, that is defending someone. There are things we know he did/said at this point. Feigning ignorance or being willfully ignorant is absurd and disingenuous.

[@Aj6711]

Dave is a legit joke and I promise u no matter what happen he’s gonna blast the doc and say why wasn’t he on it I promise you

[@ba_charles]

i'm surprised that dave can't get a screener

[@TheHeatisOn76]

Aew must have been a shiitter, if this was the clip they put out.

[@RunandLift2]

Dynamite was absolutely trash. Pockets Jericho for 25% of the show. Ricochet Ospreay with no build set up. Ricochet vs El Toro de Aew something. The fans will say it was great. Hangman did the turn on Schiavone that's been done 10 times already. Hook ftw. JJ promo The marks ignore how bad it is. Too busy celebrating a unsigned deal for a company they won't criticize.

[@kingslayer2999]

AEW Dynamite was Hot Garbage even more so than usual. Full of Hot Shot booking and a Jeribloat and Pockets feud being rehashed from 4 years ago that nobody wanted.

[@RunandLift2]

​@@kingslayer2999This Dynamite had the energy of celebrating a touchdown down 35-10. The Jags can relate

[@JMGGillis]

This popped thank you.

[@RmBastable]

Dave you dont need to watch 6 hrs of wrestling you make up your own narrative anyway

[@keni95851]

REAL journalists, yet again, get more ACTUAL INFORMATION than this mark Meltzer ever could

[@Phantom7inCH]

You love him that’s why you always hear Kendra. It’s okay just say it. Mrs. Meltzer 2024

[@keni95851]

@@Phantom7inCH id say that if I worshipped a jock sniffing mark like you do

[@jasonhamon8005]

How can anyone judge Vince based on the texts when we've literally only seen HIS and not a single one of her's?????

[@mRipX]

konbanwa, Con Ichi Wa and Su GOI

[@russellcampbell3500]

Yes it can. Duh

[@GodLovesYou828]

Vince McMahon is innocent and a legend. Him and Diddy innocent

[@Iliketoeatallday]

Allow me to laugh at you

[@armandogomez2677]

It doesn’t need defending he’s into weird stuff. She kept coming back hi do you defend that….

[@TheSuperuser49]

Never heard of a power dynamic have you

[@armandogomez2677]

@@TheSuperuser49​​⁠yeah two neighbor what a power shift….

[@adultishgambino1]

@@armandogomez2677her boss and the head of talent relations doing their weird stuff at wwe offices isn’t a power dynamic issue to you?

[@armandogomez2677]

​​⁠so a buddy of yours gets you a job, he happens to be the boss is he no longer your buddy? She was his neighbor. They knew each other before, she said herself before she even started to work for him,he was hitting on her. So what dynamic was that when it was just to people living in the same building?

[@declan-kr5if]

have they been proven in a court of law or are they accusations?

[@RunandLift2]

Accusations. Which in the IWC means if they like him or her, they're innocent. If they don't then guilty.

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Nothing but the usual nonsense from the court of public opinion. Many choose a side based on who speaks or alleges stuff publicly before the other.

[@JoeMastronardo]

Except if the girl is lying which it sure looks like she is.

[@adultishgambino1]

So Laurinaitis saying he was also a victim of Vince who was made him do the things the girl accused him of, the us government also starting an investigation going after Vince, and Vince paying her millions to not say anything isn’t enough for you at bare minimum to say maybe she isn’t lying and we should see this go to trial.

[@JoeMastronardo]

@adultishgambino1 she's lying and Johnny Ace sided with Vince

[@JoeMastronardo]

@@adultishgambino1 read the latest

[@JoeMastronardo]

@@adultishgambino1 these pieces of shit from The Observer are jealous of people who have more money than they do.

[@JoeMastronardo]

@adultishgambino1 to clarify, this relationship was clearly consensual and this is all about money.

[@VoiceOvReason]

Funny how Brian and Dave talk about Vince's personal life like they know him outside of WWE Vince McMahon. Everything they've ever heard is second hand information, Dave and Bryan are absolute jokes of journalists

[@ledzeppelinfan1001]

THERES ACCUSATIONS AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SHIT????

[@pooldead7712]

These accuations have made the American and united kingdom news dude lol

[@VoiceOvReason]

@@ledzeppelinfan1001 Accusations nothing yet proven

[@VoiceOvReason]

@@pooldead7712 accusations nothing yet proven

[@glenndallas7171]

Dave has literally met Vince, what are you talking about?

[@jamesball9608]

Accusations are just that. I’m not defending Vince but we can’t just assume guilt based on an accusation.

[@infinite-sadness]

We can definitely make an educated guess considering the decades of similar horror stories though. I also "love" the people who believe it to be true, but choose to focus on calling the girl a gold digging whore.

[@mulldrifterz6469]

Probably near a 0% chance Vince is completely innocent. Johnny Ace's first instinct to throw Vince under a bus is very telling. You don't do that if you/them are innocent and/or older than 5 years old. The gruesome retelling of what happened to the poor woman is in such great detail, there just isn't a world where it is all fabricated along with the phone records. Guy is guilty, he is just 'trying' to do damage control. Like wiping up a lake worth of vomit with one single ply paper towel.

[@Cam-zv1jq]

Vince did nothing wrong. It's a personal marriage issue at best!!This bitch was in her 40s when this bullshit happened, she liked it!!

[@jamesball9608]

@@mulldrifterz6469 and when all the facts come out from all sides we’ll ACTUALLY have the ability to make that determination. I don’t doubt they had a relationship. It’s not inconceivable things were consensual to a certain point. Contrary to popular belief on the internet people do choose to have kinky sex lives.

[@ledzeppelinfan1001]

​@@Cam-zv1jqOkay Vince.

[@Daint_McTaint]

I’m looking forward to the documentary on Tony Kahn - Vince is exhausting.

[@kingpen6432]

Dave is so great. He is so balanced in his reporting.

[@NICK77777]

Vince is based. Virtue signaling is lame.

[@RunandLift2]

@@NICK77777 It's the IWC's way of feeling special. Assume Vince is guilty. Forget about Joey Ryan's and Chasyn Rance, and Jimmy Havok. You know them

[@rubberchix]

Agreed

[@jaron9978]

Seriously, the man is just spreading his seed, have some respect

[@backup368]

Until there's actual evidence, then there's nothing Vince is guilty of. Sorry. Try again next time!

[@vins9212]

Sadly when it comes to AEW financials and Vince McMahon, Dave’s bias is so transparent that there is no reason to listen to him. His credibility is shot and legacy falls just as Vince’s has. Funny how that works

[@johnnychopping3655]

Wasn't the 'victim' a middle aged lawyer living in a luxury apartment building paid for by her former fiance when she started seeing Vince? Thank God it got him out of WWE before he killed it, but that whole story smells of BS

[@Iliketoeatallday]

Vs, Vince shit which he did on her. Stop simping

[@rahimmiddleton2005]

Am sure vince did a lot of mess up stuff in his life but this case am not buying, that woman was down for everything until vince called it off and he didn't pay her 3 million that he promised her.

[@chrispetrelis5013]

YOU ARE DISGUSTING. SHE WAS MANIPULATED AND VINCE HAD ALL THE POWER. HOW CAN YOU BE SUCH AN AWFUL PERSON. YOU MUST BE MAGA

[@adultishgambino1]

Someone choosing to take money to stay silent is an argument over ethics….a boss paying an employee millions to stay silent on the improper behavior of a boss and employee is no longer an ethical issue but a legal issue. Also she was being paid and then Vince chose to stop paying…so she has every right to then speak up if she didn’t get her full payment that was agreed on.

[@glenndallas7171]

Johnny Ace also claimed to be a victim of this, confirming some of what she said, before he switched sides? There's fire to go with this smoke.

[@chrispetrelis5013]

HOW DO YOU LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND DEFEND THIS MONSTER. SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE MUST BE TERRIBLY WRONG AND YOUR EXISTENCE IS SHAMEFUL. VICTIM SHAMING IS A SIGN OF A DERANGED HUMAN. WOW I FEEL ASHAMED FOR YOU

[@Dr_1212]

For the good of all wrestling jail proven predator for decades Vince F the hater brigade

[@RunandLift2]

@@Dr_1212 Remember when Aew employed Jimmy Havok knowing his past? Don't throw stones when they can turn right around and smack some sense into you. If he was proven, he'd be in jail wouldn't he. Or do you just skip all that in fantasy land

[@Dr_1212]

@@RunandLift2 AEW gave havoc a chance then when it was clear he hadn't changed terminated him unlike WWE who held onto many many many toxic horrible people forever or fired & rehired them so now you Smacked back with the truth

[@RunandLift2]

@Dr_1212 You're triggered 😂 by the truth. As usual. It's your kryponite. Funny on Aew it's "given a chance," but in WWE, it's not. You're a mark with zero self-awareness. Yes, Shane McMahon, who is Vinces son, yes? Who did he meet with recently? Hmmm. Do you even know what sicko means

[@RunandLift2]

@@Dr_1212 So Aew good. WWE bad. Very neutral

[@Dr_1212]

@@RunandLift2 Ps it's no Damm secret what vince has done he like Trump unfortunately because of there positions of power are able to dodge justice for a time but as you can see clearly they can't run forever

[@casas9425]

Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez would be stocking shelves at Walmart if it wasn’t for Vince McMahon.

[@quesoblanco444]

Nah, they'd just be talking about wrestling. Vince didn't invent it.

[@meekrob]

Meltzer has been doing his thing since Vince was just a TV announcer working for his dad

[@user-py6sy4zm1v]

Its not only Vince everyone including Stephanie, Linda, Shane and Hunter were complicit in his behavior

[@pooldead7712]

Factually, we do not know if they knew or were involved with his sexual behaviour. In his business antics, we factually knew they were.

[@oelboy]

Do you think they held orgies together? Are you from Alabama by any chance?😅

[@user-py6sy4zm1v]

​@@pooldead7712Stephanie introduced him the night after the allegations came out and had the crowd cheer for him.

[@RunandLift2]

@user-py6sy4zm1v So then, why is Tony Khan meeting with Shane if he's complicit? Make it make sense, please

[@SlowdiveSpaceStation-l8l]

Vince is still the GOAT. He's what that dork TK wishes he could be

[@Snakeskin94]

You have no reason to live.

[@stevemygoodman7809]

We have to wait and see it. I remember when John Oliver tried to take him down and it was filled with provable lies. I know people don’t like Oliver because of politics but I watched every week until he lied on wrestling.

[@RunandLift2]

It took me 3 joints to get through Dynamite. Let's talk about bad it was. Instead of opinions being passed off as facts on Vince. Dynamite being awful can't be defended either. But i bet it will be. 30 minutes almost for Pockets Jericho? That's criminal

[@rubberchix]

You're a burn out

[@jonjones9917]

19 minutes and 30 seconds is not even 2/3 of the way to 30 minutes. Also got "this is awesome" chants from the crowd, which seems to be the bar for what matters and what does not.

[@RunandLift2]

@jonjones9917 Bro, it was way too long . Show was not.good imo at all. That crowd will chant this is awesome when Jericho gets a backdrop through a table. Which in Aew is a transition move. 687,000 viewers 😂.

[@jonjones9917]

@@RunandLift2 when jey uso open hand slaps someone the crowd chants along with yeet, do I enjoy it? No but I get shouted down when levying criticism against it. When the crowd yeahs with every punch la knight throws, do I enjoy it? No but i get shouted down when levying criticism against it. When the crowd sings Seth Rollins song do i enjoy it? No but i get shouted down for levying criticism against it. So tell me than am I allowed my opinion on the wrestlers based on the fact that I am a television viewer? Or is my opinion invalid because the "crowd enjoys it"?

[@RunandLift2]

@@jonjones9917 I don't like any of that either. Of course not. I'm not a gatekeeping mark

[@DomLab-g2n]

Wanna bet? He didn't do it. How's that for a defense? 😂