WHAT WENT WRONG WITH SAMOA JOE IN TNA?

Samoa Joe has just been released by WWE and I thought it would be a perfect time to take a look back at his TNA run. It was a real mixed bag, it started out great with his ROH days. Then he had incredible feud with Kurt Angle. He won the TNA world heavyweight championship and then it all went down hill. From Ninjas to henna tattoos Joe had some bad gimmicks, oh and he lost a lot!
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[@Markyd123]

Who is your TNA Mount Rushmore?

[@IntellectualPen6uin]

Kurt Angle Christian Aj styles Brooke Tessmacher

[@extremeking425]

AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Sting, and Kurt Angle.

[@extremeking425]

@@IntellectualPen6uin brooke? are you on crack?

[@eastsidereviews727]

AJ Styles, Abyss, Kurt Angle, and Gail Kim.

[@Joecbg100]

AJ Kurt Sting Storm

[@Jermaine2099]

My TNA Rushmore would be: Jeff Jarrett, a guitar shot, ref bump, and an interference spot.

[@markslaughter9497]

You forgot the Cardboard Tables

[@robcressey7228]

Memphis style!

[@emiliomarbanjr]

lmao nice one.

[@jack_green]

🤣🤣

[@bretcyr6176]

damn. spot on.

[@itchweeed47]

He never recovered from that mathmatical ass kicking by Professor Scott Steiner

[@EastLee]

Scott never whooped joe stfu

[@javo10ful]

The math was too advanced for joe to comprehend and recover from. Remember that Scott Steiner has a PHD in mathematics.

[@ahmeddemha6112]

He won that match😗

[@fergalstackstreams]

Perhaps TNA's biggest crime against wrestling was wasting Samoa Joe's prime years.

[@delv213]

I think he talked about how that Sting spot at Bound For Glory 2008 blew his back out. He was always going to get slower as he aged but that spot looks so dumb.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@delv213 no that is internet made rumour. Check samoe joe twitter he debunked it

[@TheMaskedheel]

I always thought it was signing Booker T shortly after his King Booker title run. That guy was gold. He was Angle level main eventer.

[@geleneceline2310]

Now joe is coming back

[@zemox2534]

Has Joe confirmed he is coming back?

[@rocavelli20]

My TNA Mt. Rushmore: Shark Boy The midget who almost shot Jeff Jarrett Jeff Hardy’s stoner friend

[@rugalb98]

Puppet and Shannon Moore

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

You forgot your fourth.

[@jeffreyheffner908]

Shark boy is unironically on my mt Rushmore lol shark boy is fire

[@xbigwormx]

who is #4?

[@julieannewaller7541]

You forgot claire lynch

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

For any younger fans who never saw Joe's run in TNA, you owe it to yourself to watch his run in the company from his debut in early 2005 up to the series with Kurt Angle at the end of 2006. One great match after another.

[@Markyd123]

True

[@OhSoNasty]

W

[@Disconnect350]

As a guy who never watched TNA, while I plan on one day watching 2005-2009, no way I'm gonna watch because of Samoa Joe. I get that he's a good wrestler, but the dude looks lame as hell. Awful shape, awful attire.

[@OhSoNasty]

@@Disconnect350 you're probably a Keith Lee fan L

[@Disconnect350]

@@OhSoNasty I don't even know who that is. I don't watch modern wrestling, it's all trash.

[@jumpoi]

Only if he had a 33 and 1/3rd chance

[@Costanza1459]

The numbers don’t lie.

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

He's FAT!

[@nick0875]

You see that Joe? Its a vein, something you don't have.

[@skorpiontamer]

You can't talk about this without talking about any of Steiner's promos calling Joe fat

[@BulletClub444Life]

Joe was an absolute killer in ROH and was really good in TNA until BFG 2008. It sucks how he was used since then.

[@tonymatrisin4328]

Used, he was alwayd hurt

[@tonymatrisin4328]

Always*

[@geleneceline2310]

Now it looks like he coming back to impact

[@vampirascoffin870]

and lets not forget he lost to a wwe guy , kurt breaking the streak really?

[@Blitzkrieg50]

Russo’s arrival was the nail in the coffin for him from a booking capacity.

[@apathy125]

Mt. Flushmore: Slapnuts Garret Bischoff Rob Terry Wes Briscoe

[@davidprevost6670]

That's a terrible ⛰

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@davidprevost6670 Hence Flushmore.

[@derletzteberber871]

You spelt Pisscoe wrong...

[@MGSBlackCat17]

And Robby E

[@xbigwormx]

1)Samosa Joe 2)The 8 year old Obese Indian Boy 3)Rob Terry 4)Garrett Bischoff

[@justdirt]

I think by 2012-2015 he just stopped caring entirely. When he went to NXT he was in much better shape, putting on good to great matches regularly even up till like 2018. Edit: Everyone in my comments only seems to remember his main roster run or his 2 Nakamura matches. He put on an amazing triology with Balor and was Balor's only Takeover loss till recently. Watch any of his matches in NXT, he was motivated and part of those 2 golden years for NXT. Was he ROH Samoa Joe, no, but he wasn't 2014 Joe. Idk if it was the money or the fact he was taken seriously but the passion was really there.

[@klyodog9980]

Yeah Joe was pretty good in wwe it’s just he always lost in the same way on the main roster

[@lutherheggs451]

What drugs are you on? He was constantly getting injured in WWE, he spent more time sitting on the shelf than actually wrestling because every time he did he got hurt and would be out for months....No company with a brain is going to actually book someone who is constantly hurt for anything....He could have been just fine on commentary except he obviously wanted to wrestle, now he can go and do that. Somewhere else, until he gets hurt in his first couple matches.

[@win-wd3hj]

All I remember about Joe in NXT it's that those Nakamura matches were disappointing. Idk about his main roster since i've stopped watching WWE around that time.

[@elcactusdelamuerte506]

Tbh I think it's the timing of the injuries more than the frequency. I can only recall a few injuries not really more than anyone else, but they came at the worst time e.g. Feud with brock, his most recent where he came back for like a week only to get injured again e.t.c.

[@thehorrorhound6575]

@@lutherheggs451 the Taz curse. All the talent and moment in the world but injury prone

[@SpikeFartly]

AJ, Christian, Angle, Daniels . These guys rarely had a bad match and went as hard as they could every time they went out there.

[@fybslygod7691]

They made Daniels job for jarret...He beat the whole XXX faction by himself.It was stupid af.Made Daniels look weak and lame lol.

[@trevorrovert3103]

@@fybslygod7691 Everyone jobs for slapnuts!

[@chriscampbell4660]

I gotta add kazarian to that list

[@chriscampbell4660]

But can't cut anyone. Tuff list

[@Smeeeeeghead]

Rumours have it that Samoa Joe turned down the Umaga gimmick back in 2005/2006. Maybe he should have taken it, in hindsight.

[@xbigwormx]

"YOU'RE NOT A REAL SAMOAN YOU'RE A HALF BREED"-Scott Steiner.

[@Njmike27]

Joe was famous in RoH and RoH back then was popular so if they didn't hired him they created a gimmick like that . At the same time when Umaga was going away from WWE he probably was about to go in TNA

[@lautheimpaler4686]

I heard somewhere that WWE created the Umaga gimmick to have their own Samoa Joe

[@wingedhussar1453]

​@@lautheimpaler4686they failed miserably because Umaga was just a stupid monster heel while same Joe was more of an asskicker

[@Bloodgulchblue]

I always found Nash getting mad a Joe for that promo was extremely petty, Nash always likes to make fun of marks but marks out for himself and his buddys every chance he gets, the funniest thing I could see Nash, Hall, or any Kliq guy for that matter cutting the same promo in the 90's. I like Nash but its clear I dont as much as Nash does, and I doubt anyone could like Nash as much as Nash. Also lets be honest here if Joe decided he wanted to he would've wrecked Nash's old ass back stage

[@audiosurfarchive]

It's amazing that Nash is as tall as he is; what with having his head stuck up his ass so far, and all.

[@ahmeddemha6112]

Not simply petty hypocritical. Parodying Arn Anderson’s retirement and mentioning his alcoholism?

[@freshkiddmanny]

Till this day I'm still wondering who kidnapped Joe in the parking lot 🤔back In the day

[@8512124]

WWE , and now they finally released him

[@introvertedextrovertedtraver]

Rakishi

[@SegaDream131]

Id wad mee, Di did dit fo dey wock...

[@Smeeeeeghead]

I never got Samoa Joe getting heat for that shoot promo on Scott Hall. I can understand why Nash would have been upset, but I thought that TNA *MANAGEMENT* sent him out there to cut a scathing promo on Hall, why were they mad at Joe for cutting deep when that is what they asked him to do? Did he go too far?

[@NWOWCW4Life1]

Probably cause he acknowledged that he got a microphone

[@Smeeeeeghead]

@@NWOWCW4Life1 what do you mean?

[@bigbear514]

@@Smeeeeeghead Sorry this is super late, but what they probably mean is that he acknowledged getting a live mic, both throwing them under the bus and breaking kayfabe in the middle of the main event for a PPV. Also he went apparently went on way longer than they wanted him to from what I've heard. That's why he has the line about not caring about being fired. Since that was Dixie Carter he pissed off there.

[@ahmeddemha6112]

The thing that made it stupid was Scott Hall’s unreliability was not a secret by 2006. But let’s bring him back for another run then be shocked when he no shows’s

[@dirkley5577]

5:44 I totally forgot that Lex Luger was in TNA...

[@jimmyplenderleith9471]

TNA not making Joe and AJ THE FOCUS of the promotion starting with building them to the two biggest stars in 2006 was a HUGE mistake. You have two young guys, who are incredible in the ring and put on amazing matches, and you instead keep bringing in WWE Re-treads and pushing them to the moon. Why? To try and get instant ratings? All TNA had to do was look at WWF in 1996/1997. They knew they werent super popular and needed to grow, so they built new stars and pushed them up the card (Rock / Austin / HHH / etc) and then took back over as the biggest promotion in the world. Im not saying TNA would have reached those heights, but if they would have taken time to push THEIR guys, while using some WWE re-treads along with them it could have been really good. But Joe and AJ should have been the focus of that promotion from 2006 going forward. They could have grown from there as their own product instead of a BS crappy WWE cast-offs show. If they would have been patient and let ratings and stars grow, who knows what we'd think of TNA today......but in the end, they would make the same stupid mistakes TIME and TIME again....it was a joke.

[@petesmart1983]

They couldn't trust aj with his attitude on the mic which was often homophobic etc.

[@adamlucas2203]

Trying to compete with WWE at all was so stupid. Why compete with them? You don't have to. Carve out your own niche. Push those young guys and other indie darlings like Christopher Daniels as a mid card push. Let old guys come.on for nostalgia sometimes, but they should have never been main eventers. Fuck, Foley looked so broke during that run of his. Nash has always been broken. Hogan, flair, etc

[@The_Bigot]

You give Samoa joe and aj styles too much credit lol

[@swavyypressure9417]

@@The_Bigot Not at all.

[@jimmyplenderleith9471]

@TJ P Was she running it already in late 05 into 06 when Joe got hot and he / AJ were tearing up XDivision? I honestly dont remember.

[@WoodStoveification]

Note that while Nash claims he slapped Joe and Joe apologised later AJ was asked about the incident and said that nobody would have done that to Joe in TNA and he'd never heard of that happening.

[@WarGhoulKharas]

Nash said he slapped a lot of people. I've never heard anyone confirm it.

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

Wouldn't Joe deny it?

[@klyodog9980]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 Joe recently said that he doesn’t shoot down rumors because he likes how the legend grows.

[@cerburrows9380]

TNA management sent Joe out there to do a shoot promo so why was Nash angry with Joe and why did Joe apologise when he was just following orders

[@UkonJohnNord]

@@WarGhoulKharas X-Pac was there

[@klyodog9980]

Samoa Joe losing and looking mad after is just like in wwe on the main roster

[@NxFxKW]

Do you want him to look Happy after he loses? How the heck would you maintain a credible character that way?

[@klyodog9980]

@@NxFxKW the finish was the same every match. Joe goes for the coquina clutch then he gets rolled up 123. How the heck would you maintain a credible character that way?

[@NxFxKW]

@@klyodog9980 Ric Flair had the same match for 30 years and it worked out for him

[@klyodog9980]

@@NxFxKW that was a different time

[@walsh9080]

@@NxFxKW A rare person who doesn't pretend Flair was a GOAT in the ring, when really he's like Hulk Hogan but more proficient, seen one match you've seen them all.

[@starchygoblin9859]

After a few years, I think it became obvious that it wasn't Joe or TNA, both sides just gave up on the other after a while. Vince Russo recently stated in an interview that there would be times where Joe would show up to tapings having slimed down and gotten in shape. Then others where he would be 35 pounds heavier and walking like a fucking turtle. While Joe being in bad shape is Joe's fault, Joe also clearly had issues with the way TNA did business. With the way Joe tore in Scott Hall for getting paid a shit ton of money when he was no showing dates or his scathing promos of WCW guys taking TNA spots, he clearly didn't like what TNA was doing. So I think its just a case of both sides slowly becoming more and more tired of the other.

[@xbigwormx]

Then jobbing Joe out to the WWE rejects. When Hogan came in Joe was just an afterthought.

[@planescaped]

TNA killing themselves to put over ex-WWE guys is really the story of the company as a whole. I think it's why people get so defensive and over-sensitive whenever someone goes from WWE to AEW. Switching companies wasn't the problem, the problem was atrocious ownership and management who seemed to legit see themselves as lower tier, and anyone from WWE as better. If I had to sum TNA up it would be self-deprecating.

[@Stoneman180190]

Another former ex WWE/WCW/ECW who didn’t give a shit were Booker T and RVD.

[@davidepannone6021]

@@planescaped fucking amen. Truly what made TNA drown. From an alternative it became a WWE retirement home.

[@daf4ever]

7:17 That Promo was amazing and Joe was over... but some ppl didn't like that and felt insecure... too bad Joe should have gotten a big push instead right after that amazing promo

[@xplayfan21]

This I like Kevin Nash but wow Dude Jerk

[@janeinjaneinderbozz]

That one that looks like elvis is a junkie that’s his gimmick.... and they get mad at joe for showing up every time they needed him .... If you run a wrestling promotion and people who can’t work because of their drug problems still have more power than the people who can work....

[@briantaylorcloe7725]

I remember watching that live! I was so confused how they treated and booked Joe after that ... He was red hot!!!

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

Russo said that the reason Joe wasn't booked more strongly or had more main event runs is because he'd often be out of shape by the time they started taping more episodes. They used to tape several episodes in a row back then.

[@zemox2534]

The man could talk and fucking wrestle. Who cars about his looks?! Joe was screwed because management were idiots!

[@shiningwizard690]

@@zemox2534 Looks are literally the biggest part of wrestling, in America at least

[@zemox2534]

@@shiningwizard690 Well I do not give a shit what a wrestler looks like. This is why I love Japanese wrestling. They care more about skill than appearance.

[@shiningwizard690]

@@zemox2534 Absolutely, but even then, looks do matter, just not as much. Hayabusa is one of my favorites, but he wouldn't have been nearly as successful without his look.

[@santijk3756]

@@zemox2534 thats why Wrestling is dead, no one cares about out of shape no charisma midgets

[@TheJaviferrol]

You know he hit rock bottom and that they didn´t know how to use him when we got to the feud with The Pope

[@LeonCook34]

The pope was great totally miss used in TNA

[@xbigwormx]

Pope wasn't bad he was just booked horribly, Wes Brisco, Rob Terry, David Flair and Garrett Bischoff are FAR worst than The Pope.

[@liublanka3925]

Last thing I remember about Samoa joe was him saying wendy over the wwe arena on mic

[@klyodog9980]

Ohh Wendy

[@dasdeke]

How TNA handled Joe, and AJ in his last run in the company, just shows you they didn't have a clue.

[@connordevereaux759]

TNA Rushmore: Angle, Sting, Jeff Hardy, Aj Styles, Delighted for you Markyd123 welcome back to KZbin. Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪

[@kingrama2727]

Some guy who looked like Elvis, Mr. Perfect, the Midgett who pulled a gun on Jeff Jarrett and Sandman

[@kommissar.murphy]

Steiner shouting "he's fat" in that big empty, echoey hall is the first time ever that reverb made me laugh.

[@savejohn3782]

Where is the footage of Joe cutting a promo on Jeff Jarrett wearing a sandal? It was hilarious.

[@james_the_animator]

One sandal? A singular sandal?

[@savejohn3782]

@@james_the_animator Flip flops 😂 In that episode where Jeff attack handcuffed Kurt. Joe cuts a promo on Jeff and gets thrown off in next episode. I can’t find that video.

[@MaddMan621]

That’s a classic

[@alexshill2493]

😂🤣😂😂😋😂😊 id forgotten u til now thank you

[@PhilosophicalTwerks]

AJ, Jarrett, Sting and Angle. There were some really good years

[@emiliomarbanjr]

Jarret lol.

[@julieannewaller7541]

I blame 95 percent of what happened to Joe on management & creative. Joe could only go by what was given.

[@zachariahmorris833]

How do you blame being fat and out of shape on managing? How do you blame not being able to put together a decent match on management? It's 95% Fat Joe's fault.

[@rdu239]

@@zachariahmorris833 I dont understand WWE allowing Kevin Owens to perform so out of shape fat, its like all this time WWE is simply tolerating Kevin Owen's bullshit reasons why he dont do diet, and his ring attire looks so silly

[@kylehuettl4658]

@@rdu239 and they call him a "prize fighter" real shame because he is the best on a mic in a long time!

[@ahmeddemha6112]

@@zachariahmorris833 Joe could still work and put on better matches than guy’s like Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, Ken Anderson, Matt Morgan, & Ja sober Jeff Hardy all of whom got pushes for no reason.

[@georgealvarez1195]

Name 1 hall of fame wrestler who wasn't given a shit gimmick and direction. They all overcame "bad" creative

[@seanmcclure]

If you want a list of people I heard about that made me want to watch TNA it would be Kurt angle, Samoa Joe, AJ styles, and Christian.

[@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819]

Wow, a lot of restraint not to use "HE'S FAT!" Anyway, I think Joe kept getting fatter was a lack of motivation due to the company not caring about him, so that apathy meant he shouldn't care about himself. Lack of motivation leads to lack of self-care, leading to weight gain, loss of dedication to exercise and cardio, and him looking all pasty and crud. Then he goes to NXT, and all of a sudden, you see a glimpse of what people were talking about when he got his act together. His main roster run in WWE is another story, but let's pretend NXT was a revival.

[@rdu239]

You wont even take Samoa Joe seriously no matter how badass he talks when he was active in WWE, because he is fat and he keeps on losing to the wrestlers he was insulting with his fiery promos

[@landismithCOJ]

That choke slam on Sanjay Dutt was vicious.

[@robcressey7228]

Damn, broken down match by match like this, Joe's run is equivalent to Bray Wyatt.

[@shavell9447]

How so ?

[@robcressey7228]

Becomes World Champion early but short reign, always losing "big match " to bigger names.

[@shavell9447]

@@robcressey7228 I don't think Braun is talented

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@shavell9447 he said bray not braun

[@klyodog9980]

So true they are always losing the big matches

[@Billy_Carter]

"..Samoa Joe got released from the WWE.. So now I kinda HAVE to make this video, don't I?" Yes, yes you do. Great video

[@SogenOkami]

I just voted in your poll like two hours ago and the video is already here. You work fast. ;D

[@xbigwormx]

TNA Mount Rushmore: 1)The 8 Year Old Obese Indian Boy. 2)Wes Briscoe. 3)Samosa Joe. 4)Garett Bischoff.

[@JalYoungGun1]

Samosa Joe and Samoa Joe could have been the Samosa Brothers in Ring ka King honestly

[@sadwhitesoxfan17]

I have never seen something more random than teaming Joe and Magnus.

[@vincesmith2499]

It wouldn't have hurt for Joe to lift weights and get in shape. Imagine if he had had a physique like Steiner.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

To have a physique like Steiner he'd have to use a shit-ton of anabolic steroids in addition to lifting weights.

[@NoobGamerTopG]

The most 1 dimensional character ever. He’s so 1D that his red/black shorts became pink/Black short as he refused to get new gear

[@YaRaginAye]

1. A wild slapnuts 2. Guitar shot 3. Victory road Meth Hardly 4. Crying Abyss

[@RaghavanN]

Another great video from MarkyD.Loved the BGM 😂😂

[@mikeking4349]

I never liked the fact that Kurt need his undefeated streak the way he did and it made no sense. Kurt beat him fair and square and then between that ppv and the next one Kurt turns heel and demands a rematch? Shouldn't Joe have one that first match and then have Kurt break the streak?

[@allengriggs8894]

Me neither

[@vincesmith2499]

They never should have had that series of PPV matches between Joe and Angle at that time. Joe was hot, and Angle had just come in. Neither one of them could afford a loss at the time. Both of them should have been built for an entire year leading to a match @ BFG 2007.

[@Venemofthe888]

My rushmore is Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Gail Kim It was storm but i changed my mind

[@richardjfromthebay9156]

I would put kurt Angle, Aj Styles. Samoa Joe and Sting. Those 4 names carried TNA .

[@davidprevost6670]

I have the exact same. Gail was women's wrestling at the time.

[@vegetalover9297]

How would you have Joe on after this Video

[@pikkon899]

Based on what I've seen on this channel, the undisputed TNA Mount Rushmore is: 1.) Jeff Jarrett 2.) The Generic Blonde Interviewer 3.) The Idiot Abyss 4.) Rob Terry * Honorable mention: Sonny Siaki & Orlando Jordan.

[@Sawyeee]

You forgot jeff hardy's stoner friend

[@ricardonb6375]

@@Sawyeee Shannon Moore belongs in a WWE Sidekick Rushmore

[@mgunter]

Cornette leaving was more of a factor than you think. Corny wanted to do the same with Henandez.

[@LordDeBahs]

hernandes was super over at some point (he was not bad worker .just kinda needed good oponent make him look good) ) but booking kills his run

[@wingedhussar1453]

Hernandez should have ben booked as a monster in 2010 and won the belt just as he was getting good pop and heat bit tna being tna was very stupid back then

[@gaultgoldman7084]

My TNA Mount Rushmore is Aj, Austin Aries, Bobby Roode, Kurt Angle

[@asundelgun3487]

Jeff Hardy is clearly the TNA GOAT

[@gaultgoldman7084]

Aries over Joe bc Aries was much better. He was a better heel, better character, better wrestler throughout his TNA career, Roode is in my Rushmore Bc when I was watching TNA he was the main guy I liked so that’s just my personal guy. I found him cool with beer money and he was a pretty good champ in my opinion.

[@bardunshield]

As much as I love Joe, I have to give you credit for how fairly you handled this video. Great content.

[@Markyd123]

Thanks brother

[@elvisrevenge90]

How is this ALREADY out? I feel like I just saw the poll a few days ago! Great work as always. Now smack yourself and take a vacation!

[@simonechristie254]

He definitely should smack himself one and have a vacation

[@ravensflockmate]

Tna rushmore: slapnuts, vince russo, joker sting, the hawk

[@rosiegratz8377]

You could tell Nash wanted to slap him in front of everyone.

[@bennyhernandez6179]

Love this channel man cant stop watching,, but hey you should do more attitude era or ruthless aggression👌🏼😁

[@johnnyb3894]

Genuinely glad I found you through Vee! Vee did the job for the hawk and I found a Gem 💎!! Thanks hawk for the content!! Shuv it

[@shakblak7900]

Markyd coming up now He almost got 50k I remember when he had 5k

[@thehjt7071]

I remember when he had 500, time flies

[@xXBRTBXx]

Kinda crazy how fast its growing

[@thaiboypsp3000]

It’s crazy. I’m not subbed to him anymore but I was with him when he only had like few 100s subs. Good for him.

[@thehjt7071]

@@thaiboypsp3000 why not? If you don’t mind me asking

[@LnnyOsoTo]

I think the TNA mount Rushmore is Jeff Jarrett (for founding the company and being the first top guy) AJ Styles (for pretty much being THE TNA guy for most of his run) Sting (for being TNA's dependable Legend, in terms of work rate he was their Undertaker) And Matt Hardy (for making Impact relevant again in it's darkest times) I think Sting can be swapped for Christian Cage, Bully Ray, Scott Steiner, and a few others who built themselves somewhere else but showed they weren't good hands but great main event talent. Oh this is excluding the Knockouts Division if you include Knockouts then the answer feels obvious to me: Jarret, Styles, Gail Kim &, Awesome Kong.

[@pan_krateron894]

Joe is a submission machine, not a submission genius who know every move on the book. A machine knows to do one thing perfectly and effectivly that's why he is a machine!

[@znalniaskas]

To quote the great Scott Steiner :"He's fat"

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

TNA Mount Rushmore: Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Abyss. All 4 were crucial to the early development and prime years of the company. You think of TNA and these are the first guys that come to mind. Honorable mention for guys like Sabin, Shelly, Low-ki, Amazing Red, Shark Boy, Eric Young, Bobby Roode, James Storm and of course, Kurt Angle. 2004-2008 were the prime years of the company. Even with all the flaws they had, they were a truly great alternative to WWE at that time. In fact, by 2006 I'd thrown in the towel with WWE and was a full-time TNA guy for about a year or 2. TNA had an enormous amount of potential. You can't just blame Russo for what went wrong. There had to be some key players behind the scenes for many years that always held back the company and stifled progress, and we just don't know their names. It's still astounding how many times they blew their chance at breaking out and becoming a major player.

[@juanresto6756]

Ah yes, another video from the Shuv IT Man. Let us rejoice!

[@willwalker9382]

The fallen angel Christopher Daniels Kazarian , Aj and James Storm.

[@simonechristie254]

Great video Mr Hawk x

[@salamisumo2]

Joe was never the same after that bump he took off the stairs at Bound for Glory 08.

[@y4j1981]

He recently tweeted that all that injury info and him changing style wasn’t true

[@MozzieGG]

There was an amazing thread on Reddit about that and Joe confirmed personally that the post was correct. His injury is some sort of urban legend or myth

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

That is false. It's a internet made rumour

[@NathanOrlick]

When you think about it TNA really had such an incredible roster pre-2010's. If I was forced to pick four, the Mt Rushmore would be Angle, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Abyss. But it really feels wrong to leave out Christopher Daniels, Amazing Red, Awesome Kong, Bobby Roode etc.

[@pauldewberry4061]

AJ Styles, Samoan Joe, Cowboy James Storm, Jeff Jarrett. Honorable mention Awesome Kong, Gail Kim, Kurt Angle, Abyss

[@rdu239]

Whenever I remember TNA its all about Slapnuts and his reign of terror!

[@emiliomarbanjr]

@@rdu239 Dudes putting him on their Mount Rushmore lmao.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

Angle was better than Jarrett.

[@TophDaGreat]

What happened? TNA never trusted Joe after the Scott Hall incident. Either that or someone higher up resented him for it. He basically peaked after he beat Angle for the Title. By the time Hogan came in, Joe was used as a guy to get new guys over. Joe caught on and he sorta went auto pilot too. His ROH years were better for sure. By the time WWE finally gave him a look his body was so beat up that he kept getting hurt.

[@thecomedicgenius373]

At 0:57 hey that’s me😂😂I feel famous

[@Stumpers24]

Joe is one of the most underrated stars in wrestling and I hope he signs somewhere and gets some kind of push.

[@aerostrafe1075]

@Ze TheGame I am pretty sure the problem with that feud was the ppv name. No one wants to watch or talk about that ppv out loud.

[@tobywilliams2939]

@Ze TheGame fuck are u talking about the whole criwd was chanting. Joe joe joe joe when he came out stop the cap

[@chihollywood9379]

@Ze TheGame y u care if he drew or not. Him drawing isnt putting any $$$ n yo pocket

[@orldn_gtf]

1:28 okay that was pretty nice of you, nice complements lmao

[@Anynom]

Angle being the one to snap Joe's unbeaten streak was a terrible idea. Angle was already majorly over, he didn't need that rub and could have gone to someone else.

[@tobywilliams2939]

Thank you shouldve been christian or james storm

[@richardjfromthebay9156]

@@tobywilliams2939 Anyone but an EX-WWE guy.

[@WillsonT011]

Wrestling fans usually say a guy who's already over shouldn't Beat the Streak because a younger wrestler with the potential to be a big star should have done it,right?🤔 That's the problem, the key word is potential. If a wrestling company has a young wrestler do something incredible like beat an "undefeated" wrestler because they think he's going to be a big star, that doesn't mean the fans are actually going to see him as a big star and then it happens?😑 that wrestler that just did something incredible will start getting less time on TV, will begin losing matches on regularly and then even might find himself out off the company. That's why wrestling companies always go with an already-established STAR. Not just established but HUGE MEGA STARS. That's why TNA went with Kurt Angle, that's why WWE went with Brock Lesnar for Undertaker streak

[@DoneRandomLee]

Samoa joe, too much loyalty. He should have went with any other company. Go back to japan, roh, try for fcw, etc. I feel he just was in a stunk because he knew tna wouldn't do anything really with him so why bother? He lost that fire to keep trying.

[@vbadger1056]

I will always say the in ring work was cause of the dumbest bump in wrestling history with the Dropkick on the stars at BFG (I think) against sting. Like seriously who the TF thinks about doing that and thinks it’s a good idea

[@mikkyrevelljr7289]

I can't believe how many times he hit the muscle buster and never hurt anyone and all of a sudden Tyson Kidd. That's crazy

[@DonnyBlacc_]

The hawk is not over cuz the 🐦 is the word ha still over ask Peter Griffin

[@sevenman9672]

AJ Styles Robert Roode Christian Cage Jeff Jarrett Reasoning: AJ is a shoo-in as TNA's golden boy; I wanted to include someone who TNA developed into greatness and it was to be either Roode or Austin Aries, with Roode having the stronger case for it; I also wanted to include someone already great who came to TNA and had the highlight of their career; this is where everyone would say Angle (or perhaps Sting) so instead I went with Christian, besides merely being different I would excuse my choice by saying that Angle had done so well in WWE (and Sting in WCW) that they could justifiably put him on a Mt. Rushmore of their own, whereas Christian really seemed to come into his own in TNA - and Jarrett needs to be there, however much I wish he didn't, with there being the added bonus that his presence connotes Joe and Angle. If you really can't stand him, swap him out for Abyss.

[@bowhite783]

Id be scared of sloppy joe if i was dressed as a cheeseburger lol-ss

[@bowhite783]

Also mt rushmore would be scott steiner freakzilla the big bad booty daddy and big poppa pump lol that dude is just fn hilarious

[@josamaroo]

AJ STYLES, KURT ANGLE, BULLY RAY, BROKEN MATT HARDY Kurt is like the Lincoln and was the biggest star in the prime of his career and kept the company together despite many terrible decisions. AJ is the Washington because he was the guy who was there from the beginning and made TNA popular. Bully Ray is the Jefferson because he was one of bigger stars for a long time with the Dudley Boys but once he got his chance on top as a leader he changed his career and the company. Broken Matt is the Roosevelt because the company was falling apart before his gimmick change but he was able to save TNA from collapse and helped create growth in a company that is surprisingly still around.

[@josefrees]

Hope I find your TNA backstage recap video someday lmfao

[@slammydunk9787]

Sadly while Joe could’ve been used better by TNA he wasn’t great wrestler since 2008. He was... good, but not at the same level as before. So its kinda understandable why TNA management stopped putting much effort into him.

[@heelturnsface]

My Rushmore of TNA: Kurt Angle, because Perc Angle hit different. Jeff Hardy, because of Victory Road 2011. AJ Styles, because he’s a flat earther. Finally, Jeff Jarrett, because his daddy bought him his spot.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

AJ isn't a flat Earther.

[@heelturnsface]

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan have confirmed it. He renounced it after he got roasted.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@heelturnsface Bryan accused him of it for sharing posts on it. Doesn't confirm anything.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@heelturnsface Also, even if he was, it doesn't matter.

[@heelturnsface]

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v bro calm your titties, it’s a joke 😂 but being a flat earther is dumb af

[@thehorrorhound6575]

My TNA Mount Rushmore eh? Well it would have to be AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Kurt Angle, and Christian.

[@vincesmith2499]

Whose "genius" idea was it to turn Sting heel after he had already totally flopped as a heel almost a decade earlier in WCW?

[@cobeanderson9753]

Joe was a beast in his ROH/TNA days

[@ZjTwams]

Your rant on Jo had me in stitches. Gloriously blunt hahaha

[@jakemitchell1132]

Oh God I forgot they actually had Okada at one point!!!

[@davidprevost6670]

Aj because come on he was TNA. He was and is the guy who really broke out and became a star in TNA. Angle because he took TNA up a level and and made them a legitimate company. Samoa joe is on the list because behind AJ he was a main stay and even though he lost a lot of big matches he was in big matches all the time. And Gail Kim she really started the women's revolution on her own and was having incredible matches with people who didn't deserve to be in the ring with her.

[@thehorrorhound6575]

I think instead of Joe it should be Christopher Daniels. Daniels was there from day one like AJ and no matter who he was in the ring with he was pure money, and he would do any crap gimmick they gave him like curry man and suicide and have them over like rover, and the come back as Daniels again and wow the crowd every night. It’s a crime he never got a world title run

[@BLVCK0UT]

My TNA Mount Rushmore would have to be Angle, Styles, Sting, and I guess Jeff Jarrett. I never really understood the appeal of Joe and his lack of progression as a performer since his glory years really shows. I never really saw him as world champion material but to each their own.

[@user-vv6zl1if7q]

And jeff jarett was? I mean in terms of great world champions jarrett ia not q big ratings draw ala austin, hogan, rock or cena

[@richevans609]

Well...The "Shove it Squad" exists now Brother! 👍

[@mywalletisonyourmomsnighst1677]

It's shameful how they ruined Joe. Then again he left and went to WWE and got the same treatment there as well.

[@TheDistantman]

Mount Rushmore of TNA (2005 - 2013) AJ Styles, Sting, Christian Cage, James Storm Impact Wrestling (the good years; 2017 to mid 2020) Eddie Edwards, Moose, Sami Callihan, Tessa Blanchard

[@RollysonMason]

My TNA Mount Rushmore: AJ, Jarret, Angle, Storm.

[@codyssmith73]

Ey Hawk, got an odd one for you: How about The Hurricane’s short ROH stint in 2018? I think you’d enjoy the matches, and given he’s a former cruiserweight, I think your perspective would be awesome.

[@walsh9080]

I thought he doesn't cover B shows, zing.

[@jaimonjohn2516]

I always believe When everyone thinks about TNA originals/homegrown guys joe always came to mind along with aj

[@hunterglover8175]

I'm 2 years late but just recently discovered the channel. TNA was easily my preferred wrestling show growing up till around the time Hogan and Bischoff came around. My Mt Rushmore for TNA has to be Joe, Slapnuts, Perc Angle ( yep, cant change my mind. spent more time in TNA ) and AJ.

[@jeffbeyer43]

I know that this is a Joe video, but you said he randomly teamed with Magnus. Poor Magnus is in a random team with Joe and random stable in Ring Ka King. Oof.

[@kylesantos8190]

Elix Skipper gave his life to TNA and nobody talks about him.

[@billybats4745]

Motor city machine guns, aj, Jeff hardy, broken Matt hardy... there's really no arguing these 4. The machine guns count as 1.